You know that the early Batcave scene started with drag queens and was a crossdressing club. They played glam, new romantic and goth. It was just as much a kid clubber movement and only johnny slut looked like johnny slut.
@gigfydotcom Glam and punk for sure but it goes way beyond Alice...what about Elvis, Lennon, Bolan, Bowie, Iggy, the Fugs, Screaming Lord Sutch, psychedelia, Bram Stoker, Theda Bara, B-movies, Bela Lugosi, the Stones, Warhol, porn...?
@MikWishville that is the most obscure comment - if u refer to morrisey, well he didn't go to the batcave, he came to astralflight (saturdays) in the embassy
@katachikani there were 'fat' people who came, but most of the crowd were the type who didn't eat or sleep for days; also, the look some chased was of wasted death, and the decadence of 'fat' appealed to only the few. Many 'black' people were part of the vibe too, we always played some reggae toons, some dub; Lenny Henry go-go dancing to the left of my decks is a long-term memory; some dreads always used to share their lambs bread with us.
Interesting documentary! I`m looking for a long time for this psychedelic song with the chorus in the beginning. Can someone tell me what`s the name of the song?
damn why did I have to born in this shitty generation filled with posers and people completely oblivious to the actual gothic culture...is this place still running?
loved the batcave, was always open till 6 in the morning, lots of celebs always ignored, even the amazing Siousie, lots of very young kids having a great time, mt club as a kid
@birinbirinbirin oh yes , 1983 when the media were all trying to figure out what came after punk....remember that the batcave was born of punks and glam rockers, trannies, psychos and people turned away from other clubs - we let anyone in, trainers or no trainers, businessmen and dustmen, strippers and nuns....
My gods, it hard to believe this is over 25 years old and yet against all the odds the fashion and the music has endured....at the time I thought the Batcave was one of the key signifiers for the transformation of "gothic culture" into a superficial commodity and yet I listen to the Alien Sex Fiend 12 inch dub and remix tracks and they still sound as though they could have been made next Thursday (and at the time my snobbish self would not be caught dead listening to them! I apologise!)
Not to knock on my own people, but the Britkids always did this miles better than the American kids with similar attachments. When I was a young'un in the 1980s, I used to wish I could have visited the UK and run into a few "goths" or "New Romantics" for myself. Much more artful, and not just because of the clothes and hair.
They seemed to wear their hearts on their sleeves more than anything else....
The key points are expressed towards the end of this documentary. Gothic culture is more than what you see on the surface such as clothes and make-up. It is neither as silly as it is made out to be (from 21st century skin-deep point of view) nor is it necessarily gory and obscenely violent. I think the heart of the whole culture lies in the attitude, a thirst for understanding the mysteries of life and expressing them in a dramatic or theatrical style.
Could you name some new goth bands worth listening? I'm starting to really get into terror EBM and industrial but I don't know if there are other dark subculters so complex and fresh. I mean I like Persephone and Emilie Autumn, but most of the bands I know are exclusively electronic which is not a bad thing, I love electronic music, but I'd like to discover other genres if they exist. Thank you very much! :)
this moment of cohesion for what became goth did curdle into a cartoon but not at first when we were a club with no labels and one rule - no funk (there were plenty of discos doing that). i dj'd at the lyceum, palais, clarendon (klub foot), etc, did a lot of gigs as well as batcave and watched the followers of bands like banshees, cure, bauhaus, damned, pistols, killing joke, joy division, cramps, meteors, adam & antz, etc coalesce into a vibrant primal indie dance scene in the batcave
It hasn't, I've said this about a million times here on youtube, but that's just what the poser concept has come to be, goth is still goth, regardless of the time or place, not Marylin Manson...
@Jesus4loves4me i cant be goth cuase i like lots of different bands like marilyn manson and stuff but i do like the goth style and the music they liked but im to mixed to be anything lol!
Like Pantomine, I never called myself Goth. I was heavily influenced by Dave Vanian's looks and dressed like him from 78 onwards, into Bowie/Caberet/Siouxsie etc, Saw Bauhaus supporting Magazine and had my mind blown away. At bauhaus early gigs there was a motley collection of people in black , who kind of gravitated together into Nosferatu etc, Saw Bauhaus about 30 times before 'Spirit 'ruined it all! Never went to Batcave -too cartoonish, besides it was called Goth by then - time to move on.
I was a Goth in the early 80s - we called ourselves Futurists, or Futurist Punks then - but by about '85 we were calling ourselves Goths, or Gothic. We were influenced by Punk, and also New Romantic but this is definitely not film of the English Punk scene - that happened way earlier, between '76 & '79 approx.
Yes, but not exclusively. Back then, the % of people who were alternative was much lower than it is now, most towns could only support 1 alternative club night for everyone so you rubbed shoulders with rockabillies, skinheads, punks, hippies etc & heard/danced to their music as well as Goth. I'm the wrong side of 40 now, so I've had plenty of time to discover & appreciate all these other types of music. I still love Gothic music & wear Gothic clothes a lot, but I like having more options.
Mid-eighties would be more correct even though Bauhaus "Bela Lugosi's Dead" is much older than that...
See, for some reason the first so called Traditional Goths are very reminiscent of Punk scene. Batcave generation was the core of Goth subculture - they didn't even know at the time they were starting this kind of wave.
Unfortunately, Goth scene has been decaying since the 90's. I was born in the 80's, I wish I could have been born 10 years before...
batcave was a club that spawned so much without knowing it was going to !! it was the first non-disco non-funk club and played a selection of punk, trash and glam....the attenders were a mixture of dave vanian, robert smith or siouxsie clones, punks, fetishists, psychobillies and roadies....hence the goth wardrobe today!
well the term "goth" has changed over the years, i guess now, it refers to marilyn manson and the murder dolls, but back in the 80s it was joy division, specimen and the creautres( to name a few). :P
true, but goth nowadays IS considered Marilyn Manson whether or not he fit in that genre. im not trying to be a bitch or anything im just trying to add insight, people tend to group things and, i guess, whoever puts on black lipstick and outline their lips is what most people consider, goth.
It's only because that's what the media says it is. Most people don't bother reasearching things and only listen to what the t.v. says...Probably a reason why people are half brain dead.
Marilyn Manson, is not industrial. *eye twitches* he is a shock rocker. More emo than anything now. Gothic industrial is a good scene dont group people like manson in with it.
Manson is nowhere near Emo. Emo is Post Hardcore, and it died in the early 90s. Post Hardcore and Manson have NOTHING in common. I never said Manson was Goth based Industrial band either. They play Industrial Rock, which hardly has anything to do with actual electronic based Industrial.
i loved the batcave ,no label, true individual anti-style,not goth, i was on the cover of the face leopard jacket... back view.! we had that flat in wimpole st. .. Hamish' birthday party jan. 8th '83 , yea the revolution was not videod... bless!! Johnny
the batcave was the original. the hellfire didn't come into the pic till much later. this is alien sex fiend live at batcave when it was at fouberts. it was all filmed by the bbc.
Amazing to see this! I went a few times when it was at 69 Dean St. and still have my membership card as well. Would never let go of that piece of memorabilia! Fabulous London daze.
yes maybe not that much...but now there are only stereotipyes when u go out...they must follow one style,they must follow the rules of the style...where is the originality?and now who listen to gothic metal call himself a gothic too...there is too ignorance around the wold...
for christ sakes, stop it!, goth started when me n me mates put our lasses tights on wa arms n hung roond sleazy pubs wiv a face full o panstick on. visigoths? fuckin ell
I guess I could speak for the Goth community seeming that I'm 1 of 9 that represent 4,542 in a Goth group...Gothic Metal has no ties to Goth Rock or anything, and it's simply NOT Goth at all...people think it is b/c of the word "Gothic" but that's an adjective...not a noun in which "Goth" is...anything could be "Gothic", a scary tree could be "Gothic"...but if it's not Goth Rock or Deathrock then it's not Goth, we believe Gothic Metal gives out the wrong impression
Gothic Metal is said however , to be a fusion between Goth Rock and Heavy Metal. But then again , people say so much. I'm still a 13 year old newb into the harder Rock (Metal , Punk) scene , so I have my age as a excuse to believe it all.
Gothic Metal came from Doom Metal, as you may know Black Sabbtath, Gothic Metal came from that stuff...not Goth Rock...they blended the same lyrics style, it's Gothic Fiction...that's it, otherwise there's no connection despite what people think...
Well then , I suggest you could listen to a song from Paradise Lost's album Draconian Times. It's Goth Metal , and in my opinion it clearly has Goth Rock influence ;) . Respond to me after you heard Yearn for Change , it can be heard on youtube
i get it :P , I only *thought* goth metal is goth... While the only common thing the share is the lyrics style. Voila , that's another thing made clear.
I have no problems with metal and even listen to some. To suggest that metal = goth is an insult to both completely separate genres. Metal is not Goth no matter how much record company executives and the pricks behind Hot Topic might like the public to believe that it is.
Again, I'm not bashing on metal heads but when all is said and done there is no such thing as "Gothic" Metal. It's just Black Metal and Doom Metal with a new name so record companies can expand a customer base.
EXCEPT! "there is no such thing as "Gothic" Metal."
There is actually...is was created with Paradise Lost's album "Gothic" when it eventually became a new sound that many bands picked up on and became its own genre. It's a mixture of the "dark lyrical"(lyrics don't define genres) part of Goth Rock and Doom Metal style of playing...
Oh I know they CALL it "Gothic Metal," but I refuse to acknowledge that because it helps perpetuate all of the crap about what Goth supposedly is. So yeah, they may call it such, but I still say otherwise. Screw their marketing scheme.
Then you claim ignorance? Call it Gothic Metal as IT IS Gothic Metal! Just state to someone that you talk to about it, that it is, indeed, NOT Gothic Metal...
Goth and Gothic are two different terms...Gothic is an adjective and Goth is a Noun...my keyboard here could be Gothic if I made it look dark and creepy...but I am the Goth b/c I listen to Goth Rock and Deathrock, understand?
I understand that plainly enough, but certainly you understand that the whole reason it's "Gothic Metal" is because some record companies wanted to try to expand the market of black metal bands.
Gothic Metal is an offshoot of Doom Metal (doom = slow , black = fast), the term "gothic metal" originated after the release of Paradise Lost's album and song "Gothic". Its origins can be found in Death/Doom Metal with minor GothRock influence (here comes GothDeathrocker's wrath again). + Black Metal's lyrical theme is much more "evil". While Gothrock is somewhat romantic , Black Metal is "pure evil".
Like chibikain said (which is also quoting me) Gothic Metal came from Doom and Black...BUT it wasn't marketing trickery...it was people making it up...just like in the EBM world..."Futurepop" was made up by the band VNV Nation...it was never a genre before hand...it was just made by people...
is this the same as deathrock????
Toxiejunkie 4 weeks ago
@Toxiejunkie no
h808 3 weeks ago
Stewie easily found The Batcave
TheGrungeGamer2 1 month ago
lol really Vincent Price is awesome.
HumanPet19 1 month ago
Aw i wish i was alive back then so i coukd go to the batcave but i was born in 1989 :(
Loveisblindness89 3 months ago
Haha legendary Vincent Price 2:00
TheAquaClone 4 months ago
deathrock wins!
karou1995 4 months ago
That was amusing, but not really all that informative for a "documentary."
ral1334 5 months ago
You know that the early Batcave scene started with drag queens and was a crossdressing club. They played glam, new romantic and goth. It was just as much a kid clubber movement and only johnny slut looked like johnny slut.
MrRjmac 7 months ago 2
@MrRjmac i never played 'goth', it hadn't been invented!
h808 3 weeks ago
Hal Who?
MrSieish 7 months ago
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MrRonApathy 7 months ago
Alien Sex Fiend!!!!
fishnetsNcigarettes 8 months ago
Hello, does someone know how the song is called that is played 0:54 to 1:56?
polymetatron 9 months ago
no drug yes synistre aparencie no drugs no bodka yes gothic music batcave brutal phantasm
TheErnestocore 11 months ago
@TheErnestocore que?
h808 3 weeks ago
no drug yes synistre aparencie no drugs no bodka yes gothic music batcave
TheErnestocore 11 months ago
Heh, awesome! :)
Achtungmiche 1 year ago
That's my wife at 1:43, she'll be 47 this May, and still looking great :-)
tliub 1 year ago
I just pooped a little in my diper
sexfreak77 1 year ago
this is where glam and punk meet. this is all thanks to alice cooper.
gigfydotcom 1 year ago
@gigfydotcom Glam and punk for sure but it goes way beyond Alice...what about Elvis, Lennon, Bolan, Bowie, Iggy, the Fugs, Screaming Lord Sutch, psychedelia, Bram Stoker, Theda Bara, B-movies, Bela Lugosi, the Stones, Warhol, porn...?
h808 1 year ago 23
@h808 Which are the groups of music batcabe that go out I am a fan of the dark batcave
TheErnestocore 11 months ago
@h808
Rozz Williams?
Velheim1334 7 months ago
@h808 anti glam punk psychedelia, Bram Stoker, Theda Bara, B-movies, Bela Lugosi, the Stone for life
TheErnestocore 4 months ago
@h808 and gothic too bro, don't forget it
LincolnSixEch0 2 months ago
@Screaming Jay Hawkins was doing it years before Alice Cooper.Alice Cooper looked up to Screaming Jay Hawkins as a youth.
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worldinslowmotionHD 1 year ago
Another one for Sir Moz this fine September evening :)
MikWishville 1 year ago
@MikWishville that is the most obscure comment - if u refer to morrisey, well he didn't go to the batcave, he came to astralflight (saturdays) in the embassy
h808 1 year ago
@h808 Sir Moz is my mate who is Mrs Fiends keyboard tech and all around Space Cadet, currently on tour with said Fiends in Germany.
I thought I was posting to Facebook, instead I was posting here :)
MikWishville 1 year ago
@h808 Which are the groups of music batcabe that go out I am a fan of the dark batcave
TheErnestocore 11 months ago
how come there's no fat or black or fat and black people?
katachikani 1 year ago
@katachikani Yes.
atheathorium 1 year ago
@katachikani are you a fat black person by any chance?
wishihadascreenname 1 year ago
@katachikani there were 'fat' people who came, but most of the crowd were the type who didn't eat or sleep for days; also, the look some chased was of wasted death, and the decadence of 'fat' appealed to only the few. Many 'black' people were part of the vibe too, we always played some reggae toons, some dub; Lenny Henry go-go dancing to the left of my decks is a long-term memory; some dreads always used to share their lambs bread with us.
h808 1 year ago
@h808 wen ama tis band wen ema himen fla
TheErnestocore 11 months ago
@katachikani thank god.
stoogefan138 1 year ago
@katachikani The same reason hip-hop scenes doesn't consist of skinny queer white boys... Stupid question.
lymphnode16 1 year ago
What the fuck... nothing was said.
Holret 1 year ago
Interesting documentary! I`m looking for a long time for this psychedelic song with the chorus in the beginning. Can someone tell me what`s the name of the song?
polymetatron 1 year ago
Club X.
VoodooUprising 1 year ago
Love the video. So many fond memories of going to The Batcave. What a brilliant club and no R & B or Hip Hop to be heard. Absolute bliss.
Ellielovesbats 1 year ago
damn why did I have to born in this shitty generation filled with posers and people completely oblivious to the actual gothic culture...is this place still running?
PickleJar251 1 year ago 3
loved the batcave, was always open till 6 in the morning, lots of celebs always ignored, even the amazing Siousie, lots of very young kids having a great time, mt club as a kid
sapphirepp 1 year ago
The begining makes the goths look like Black Metalist
666deathghost 1 year ago
did this actualy come on t.v.?
birinbirinbirin 1 year ago
@birinbirinbirin oh yes , 1983 when the media were all trying to figure out what came after punk....remember that the batcave was born of punks and glam rockers, trannies, psychos and people turned away from other clubs - we let anyone in, trainers or no trainers, businessmen and dustmen, strippers and nuns....
h808 1 year ago 7
4:54
Bowie?
vanuaturocks 1 year ago
Batcave is long gone. Cosey at ICA, Endurance, A Rebours, Dice Club, Slimelight, probably something at the Electric Ballroom.
alexandragroover 1 year ago
woooow, this must be a fuckin' paradise!
does it still exist? I'm going to london next month so can someone recommend me some good old goth club????! tnq
MrsVanGoth 1 year ago
That's my wife at 1.43 LOL soon to be 46 years young.
tliub 1 year ago
Thats me at the beginning ha ha
paulcoombs63 1 year ago
i really enjoy everything about the goth lifestyle any guys want to chat with a goth girl
gothicxangelina 1 year ago
My gods, it hard to believe this is over 25 years old and yet against all the odds the fashion and the music has endured....at the time I thought the Batcave was one of the key signifiers for the transformation of "gothic culture" into a superficial commodity and yet I listen to the Alien Sex Fiend 12 inch dub and remix tracks and they still sound as though they could have been made next Thursday (and at the time my snobbish self would not be caught dead listening to them! I apologise!)
jackamo23 2 years ago 2
Gotta love the little kids talking about culture, philosophies, darkness = beauty, Gothic Metal, 666, yeah!!... and stuff.
BatcaveSquid 2 years ago
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if any ppl watching this and want to meet a goth girl get in touch with me
GothicAngeliniaj 2 years ago
Not to knock on my own people, but the Britkids always did this miles better than the American kids with similar attachments. When I was a young'un in the 1980s, I used to wish I could have visited the UK and run into a few "goths" or "New Romantics" for myself. Much more artful, and not just because of the clothes and hair.
They seemed to wear their hearts on their sleeves more than anything else....
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@Teetee33 Which are the groups of music batcabe that go out I am a fan of the dark batcave
TheErnestocore 11 months ago
Huh,so interesting to read your comments,guys!:D
Sinoidotschka 2 years ago
I wish I could have gone to the batcave in london at that time! ..But I was only 10 yearsold....I guess I stick with the one in L.A.
noproblemgettinglaid 2 years ago
this is a great video. great good fun.
polaroidfiend 2 years ago
@GothhAngell88 hahaha seriously? I can't tell if you are sarcastic or not.
polaroidfiend 2 years ago
yeah right , this is a trap !!!
XD
deathtoall4444 2 years ago
The key points are expressed towards the end of this documentary. Gothic culture is more than what you see on the surface such as clothes and make-up. It is neither as silly as it is made out to be (from 21st century skin-deep point of view) nor is it necessarily gory and obscenely violent. I think the heart of the whole culture lies in the attitude, a thirst for understanding the mysteries of life and expressing them in a dramatic or theatrical style.
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@ajittffcure Which are the groups of music batcabe that go out I am a fan of the dark batcave
TheErnestocore 11 months ago
Could you name some new goth bands worth listening? I'm starting to really get into terror EBM and industrial but I don't know if there are other dark subculters so complex and fresh. I mean I like Persephone and Emilie Autumn, but most of the bands I know are exclusively electronic which is not a bad thing, I love electronic music, but I'd like to discover other genres if they exist. Thank you very much! :)
z91tora 2 years ago
*subcultures, sorry
z91tora 2 years ago
The Cramps - Human Fly
ceelcc 2 years ago
Thank you.
IndustrialRoom 2 years ago
hey h808
What´s the name of the song at the end of the video?.
IndustrialRoom 2 years ago
this moment of cohesion for what became goth did curdle into a cartoon but not at first when we were a club with no labels and one rule - no funk (there were plenty of discos doing that). i dj'd at the lyceum, palais, clarendon (klub foot), etc, did a lot of gigs as well as batcave and watched the followers of bands like banshees, cure, bauhaus, damned, pistols, killing joke, joy division, cramps, meteors, adam & antz, etc coalesce into a vibrant primal indie dance scene in the batcave
h808 2 years ago
Such a shame how the term goth has mutated to encompass things such as Marilyn Manson nowadays.
Which film was the clip playing at around the 6:18 mark lifted from?
Jesus4loves4me 2 years ago 5
no idea sorry, the bbc put it in
h808 2 years ago
It hasn't, I've said this about a million times here on youtube, but that's just what the poser concept has come to be, goth is still goth, regardless of the time or place, not Marylin Manson...
ArturoVergaraM 2 years ago 4
@Jesus4loves4me I'm told its "The Furies"
triflind 1 year ago
@Jesus4loves4me I know...
And how goth is also something spiritual U_U
apneatique 1 year ago
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@Jesus4loves4me Dead of Night (1945)
zombiefeast 1 year ago
@Jesus4loves4me That clip was from the film Dead of Night (1945).
DoubleDare 1 year ago
@Jesus4loves4me i cant be goth cuase i like lots of different bands like marilyn manson and stuff but i do like the goth style and the music they liked but im to mixed to be anything lol!
tallyhoman911 1 year ago
Like Pantomine, I never called myself Goth. I was heavily influenced by Dave Vanian's looks and dressed like him from 78 onwards, into Bowie/Caberet/Siouxsie etc, Saw Bauhaus supporting Magazine and had my mind blown away. At bauhaus early gigs there was a motley collection of people in black , who kind of gravitated together into Nosferatu etc, Saw Bauhaus about 30 times before 'Spirit 'ruined it all! Never went to Batcave -too cartoonish, besides it was called Goth by then - time to move on.
Bowwowwow2 2 years ago
awesome
DarkSkies132 2 years ago
I was a Goth in the early 80s - we called ourselves Futurists, or Futurist Punks then - but by about '85 we were calling ourselves Goths, or Gothic. We were influenced by Punk, and also New Romantic but this is definitely not film of the English Punk scene - that happened way earlier, between '76 & '79 approx.
PantomimeReject 2 years ago 2
Are you still a goth?
LazarusRaze 2 years ago
Yes, but not exclusively. Back then, the % of people who were alternative was much lower than it is now, most towns could only support 1 alternative club night for everyone so you rubbed shoulders with rockabillies, skinheads, punks, hippies etc & heard/danced to their music as well as Goth. I'm the wrong side of 40 now, so I've had plenty of time to discover & appreciate all these other types of music. I still love Gothic music & wear Gothic clothes a lot, but I like having more options.
PantomimeReject 2 years ago 2
Rozz' Christian Death, Bauhaus, Throbbing GrIstle, Birthday Party, Mass, Joy Division, Minny Pops, early Section 25, early PIL, Cramps, Virgin Prunes, Insane Music For Insane People-Bene Gesserit, Bowie 76-80, Nico-Velvet Underground, Psychic Tv, Barrett Floyd, Lustmord, Live Skull, early Flying Lizards, Nina Hagen, Lene Lovich, Tense Experts, Deliriants/Perplexions (Milwaukee), early Certain Ratio,
early Killing Joke, Test Dept, Savage Republic, Zoviet France, Mortal Coil, Cocteau Twins,
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eighties goths looked ugly
rockdeadrockstars 2 years ago
They were the only Goths ever lol
ImaginaryVoncroy 2 years ago
yeah but the term goth didnt come around till the late eighties? wasnt this just the english punk scene?
rockdeadrockstars 2 years ago
Mid-eighties would be more correct even though Bauhaus "Bela Lugosi's Dead" is much older than that...
See, for some reason the first so called Traditional Goths are very reminiscent of Punk scene. Batcave generation was the core of Goth subculture - they didn't even know at the time they were starting this kind of wave.
Unfortunately, Goth scene has been decaying since the 90's. I was born in the 80's, I wish I could have been born 10 years before...
ImaginaryVoncroy 2 years ago
cool music, interesting ppl, what else u want.
'as long as the kids' werent skimping on their homework, its ok with me...
ps-wots the music as it finished?
IANC4EVER 2 years ago
'Human fly' by The Cramps
Circuit3 2 years ago
I am completely clueless, what is bat cave and deathrock. Sorry, but atleast I can admit to not knowing.
VikingLord13 2 years ago
batcave was a club that spawned so much without knowing it was going to !! it was the first non-disco non-funk club and played a selection of punk, trash and glam....the attenders were a mixture of dave vanian, robert smith or siouxsie clones, punks, fetishists, psychobillies and roadies....hence the goth wardrobe today!
h808 2 years ago
wow, Thanks! Learn something new every day.
VikingLord13 2 years ago
WAS IN LONDON.....
maxiemark 2 years ago
'Reminds me of the Batcave in mid-Manhattan that I went to back in '94.
shadejford 2 years ago
right on, i hope your refering to todays goth(mall goth)
tigerandtom 2 years ago
VINCENT PRICE! *swoons*
MizVanity 2 years ago
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WTF!!!!!!!!!! RETARDED.....
klj474 2 years ago
I was a massive fan of ASF.. but wasn't let in the Batcave because was a Psychobilly!! Seriously!! I was really upset!
I was a Psyche but.. that wasn't the point!
wiganowl05 2 years ago
alright mate, i was a PSYCHOBILLY who useto go 2 The BATCAVE with my punk friends good old times,,,,
maxiemark 2 years ago
I do not think marilyn manson is goth and i dislike him very much. i would like to hear what you fellow goth rockers have to say on this.
ikickemosasses 2 years ago 5
He's a talentless twat, enough said.
1JanosAudron 2 years ago
well the term "goth" has changed over the years, i guess now, it refers to marilyn manson and the murder dolls, but back in the 80s it was joy division, specimen and the creautres( to name a few). :P
RogerAlanPainter 2 years ago
mmh, very well stated
i dont like any modern "goth" really, just the classics
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RogerAlanPainter 2 years ago
I'm 16 and I say Alien Sex Fiend for the win
MutleeIsTheAntiGod 2 years ago 3
Goth is still the same it was in the eighties...Marilyn Manson plays Industrial-Rock, and the Industrial genre is associated with Rivitheads...
As for the dolls..They play Horrorpunk.
zerosk8er918 2 years ago
true, but goth nowadays IS considered Marilyn Manson whether or not he fit in that genre. im not trying to be a bitch or anything im just trying to add insight, people tend to group things and, i guess, whoever puts on black lipstick and outline their lips is what most people consider, goth.
RogerAlanPainter 2 years ago 3
It's only because that's what the media says it is. Most people don't bother reasearching things and only listen to what the t.v. says...Probably a reason why people are half brain dead.
zerosk8er918 2 years ago 4
ive never doubted that for a second. :/
RogerAlanPainter 2 years ago
There's some truth in what you two say, I disagree in the part where you say "goth nowadays...."
Goth hasn't become Marilyn Manson, It's just what people think it is, but goth is still...goth, no matter what the media says or what people think.
Only posers and ignorant people (most people) think that goth is Marilyn Manson or Nightwish or any other similar band
ArturoVergaraM 2 years ago 2
Im so goth
TheMagiciseverywhere 2 years ago 4
meaning what?
ArturoVergaraM 2 years ago
Well said.
whgwcd 2 years ago
Marilyn Manson, is not industrial. *eye twitches* he is a shock rocker. More emo than anything now. Gothic industrial is a good scene dont group people like manson in with it.
whgwcd 2 years ago 3
Manson is nowhere near Emo. Emo is Post Hardcore, and it died in the early 90s. Post Hardcore and Manson have NOTHING in common. I never said Manson was Goth based Industrial band either. They play Industrial Rock, which hardly has anything to do with actual electronic based Industrial.
zerosk8er918 2 years ago 4
Manson was industrial metal. Industrial/electronic goth is called ebm im not realy a fan im into the 70s/80s goth scene
birinbirinbirin 2 years ago
Gothic Industrial? You mean EBM? LOL
ImaginaryVoncroy 2 years ago
como me gustaria que hubiera mas propuestas como estas
larga vida al batcave
batcaveant 2 years ago
i saw my mom shes so wierd...
LIZZIEoTHEoZOMBIE 2 years ago 3
i loved the batcave ,no label, true individual anti-style,not goth, i was on the cover of the face leopard jacket... back view.! we had that flat in wimpole st. .. Hamish' birthday party jan. 8th '83 , yea the revolution was not videod... bless!! Johnny
fifidixon 3 years ago
to shakenhanska: 'Human Fly' by the Cramps
wifeofpie 3 years ago
hello, somebody knows the song that we hear at 7'30" please?
shakenhanska 3 years ago
THANK YOU for this lovely documentary :D
Bubblex16 3 years ago
check out the new incarnation: Batcave at the Embassy club London on May 24 09 with Specimen and Sexbeat plus original Batcave DJ Hamish
h808 3 years ago
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why I see no batman?
S7ar1946 3 years ago
OLLIE WISDOM
isaacpowns 3 years ago 2
Yeah but THE KNIVES were the gods of this club - their lead singer was awesome...what a fukin band.
090258dartford 3 years ago
I like Alien Sex fiend in the earlier clip was that the lead singer of specimen?
Enterthedeath 3 years ago
Cool footage, but almost no talk of the subject matter.
The Batcave! A place of dark legends.
There must be many many stories to be told.
Steeplerot 3 years ago 2
Amazing, I recognise so many of my old friends in this! Did the live stuff come from Steve Darnley?? It looks like it's from the hellfire club??
thexgenerator 3 years ago 5
the batcave was the original. the hellfire didn't come into the pic till much later. this is alien sex fiend live at batcave when it was at fouberts. it was all filmed by the bbc.
h808 3 years ago
Amazing to see this! I went a few times when it was at 69 Dean St. and still have my membership card as well. Would never let go of that piece of memorabilia! Fabulous London daze.
juliaz3 3 years ago 3
Good documentary ;) Some of my favorite bands are connected with the batcave and deathrock!
ThePoisonDoor 3 years ago 4
does anyone know what film that soundtrack is from at 6:21?
apollostaar 3 years ago
its from "psycho"
bonniebyblood 3 years ago
i could sell my soul and also kill all my friends to come back to live in those ages T_T
Arcanestyledemonlife 3 years ago 11
How sad your life must be now
vivamandingo 3 years ago
yes maybe not that much...but now there are only stereotipyes when u go out...they must follow one style,they must follow the rules of the style...where is the originality?and now who listen to gothic metal call himself a gothic too...there is too ignorance around the wold...
Arcanestyledemonlife 3 years ago 8
What's Goth metal?
Drummerism 3 years ago
Shitty symphonic metal labeled as gothic.
splynt0r 3 years ago
You're a complete dumbass. Congrats.
suckcocker 2 years ago
interesting, you call me a dumbass, even though you claim that goth has something to do with metal... that'S funny
splynt0r 2 years ago 3
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Metal that has a Victorian image...Like Cradle of Filth...
zerosk8er918 2 years ago
What?! Absolutely not!
MizVanity 2 years ago
for christ sakes, stop it!, goth started when me n me mates put our lasses tights on wa arms n hung roond sleazy pubs wiv a face full o panstick on. visigoths? fuckin ell
danash196 3 years ago
Dude , does somebody here know some nice classic horror movies that inspired the Goth scene ?
Oh yeah , and how do the Batcavers here feel about the "Gothhead" (Gothic Metal) scene ?
But about the video : The Batcave looks awesome , the paradise for every
" 'dark'Rock/'dark' genres inspired by Rock"-fanatic.
chibikain 3 years ago
I guess I could speak for the Goth community seeming that I'm 1 of 9 that represent 4,542 in a Goth group...Gothic Metal has no ties to Goth Rock or anything, and it's simply NOT Goth at all...people think it is b/c of the word "Gothic" but that's an adjective...not a noun in which "Goth" is...anything could be "Gothic", a scary tree could be "Gothic"...but if it's not Goth Rock or Deathrock then it's not Goth, we believe Gothic Metal gives out the wrong impression
GothDeathrocker 3 years ago 2
Gothic Metal is said however , to be a fusion between Goth Rock and Heavy Metal. But then again , people say so much. I'm still a 13 year old newb into the harder Rock (Metal , Punk) scene , so I have my age as a excuse to believe it all.
chibikain 3 years ago
Here let me describe that for you...
Gothic Metal came from Doom Metal, as you may know Black Sabbtath, Gothic Metal came from that stuff...not Goth Rock...they blended the same lyrics style, it's Gothic Fiction...that's it, otherwise there's no connection despite what people think...
GothDeathrocker 3 years ago
Well then , I suggest you could listen to a song from Paradise Lost's album Draconian Times. It's Goth Metal , and in my opinion it clearly has Goth Rock influence ;) . Respond to me after you heard Yearn for Change , it can be heard on youtube
chibikain 3 years ago
You just don't get it do you? IT IS NOT GOTH! And every single TRUE Goth would agree that Gothic Metal is NOT Goth...
GothDeathrocker 3 years ago 2
i get it :P , I only *thought* goth metal is goth... While the only common thing the share is the lyrics style. Voila , that's another thing made clear.
chibikain 3 years ago
Here's a GREAT thing to go by..."Lyrics don't make music genres" except Deathrock, Horror Punk/ Horror Metal and Christian genres...
Otherwise we could say Johnny Cash made some Goth songs...and wouldn't that be fucked up?
You can't say lyrics define music otherwise it'd fuck up A LOT of genres...
But as long as you understand Goth I will critisize no more...
GothDeathrocker 3 years ago 2
Well said.
DarthVil 3 years ago
luna Mora, from Mark of the vampire 1935, + the vampyr 1932, Back in 82/83 The batcave was a bitchin place to hang out.
vampyr1960 3 years ago
Els Lanchester The Bride, + Mala Nurmi Vampira, check em out.
vampyr1960 3 years ago
Maila Nurmi, even
vampyr1960 3 years ago
I have no problems with metal and even listen to some. To suggest that metal = goth is an insult to both completely separate genres. Metal is not Goth no matter how much record company executives and the pricks behind Hot Topic might like the public to believe that it is.
Again, I'm not bashing on metal heads but when all is said and done there is no such thing as "Gothic" Metal. It's just Black Metal and Doom Metal with a new name so record companies can expand a customer base.
DarthVil 3 years ago
I agree with everything you said...
EXCEPT! "there is no such thing as "Gothic" Metal."
There is actually...is was created with Paradise Lost's album "Gothic" when it eventually became a new sound that many bands picked up on and became its own genre. It's a mixture of the "dark lyrical"(lyrics don't define genres) part of Goth Rock and Doom Metal style of playing...
GothDeathrocker 3 years ago
Oh I know they CALL it "Gothic Metal," but I refuse to acknowledge that because it helps perpetuate all of the crap about what Goth supposedly is. So yeah, they may call it such, but I still say otherwise. Screw their marketing scheme.
DarthVil 3 years ago
Then you claim ignorance? Call it Gothic Metal as IT IS Gothic Metal! Just state to someone that you talk to about it, that it is, indeed, NOT Gothic Metal...
Goth and Gothic are two different terms...Gothic is an adjective and Goth is a Noun...my keyboard here could be Gothic if I made it look dark and creepy...but I am the Goth b/c I listen to Goth Rock and Deathrock, understand?
GothDeathrocker 3 years ago
I understand that plainly enough, but certainly you understand that the whole reason it's "Gothic Metal" is because some record companies wanted to try to expand the market of black metal bands.
DarthVil 3 years ago
Gothic Metal is an offshoot of Doom Metal (doom = slow , black = fast), the term "gothic metal" originated after the release of Paradise Lost's album and song "Gothic". Its origins can be found in Death/Doom Metal with minor GothRock influence (here comes GothDeathrocker's wrath again). + Black Metal's lyrical theme is much more "evil". While Gothrock is somewhat romantic , Black Metal is "pure evil".
chibikain 3 years ago
Like chibikain said (which is also quoting me) Gothic Metal came from Doom and Black...BUT it wasn't marketing trickery...it was people making it up...just like in the EBM world..."Futurepop" was made up by the band VNV Nation...it was never a genre before hand...it was just made by people...
GothDeathrocker 3 years ago
I do stand corrected.
DarthVil 3 years ago
I hope you're learning and not taking this insultingly...I don't want to insult your intelligence...I'm not meaning to be offensive if you are...
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