Homosexuality and Pedophile Priests

[dragonup56]

gays arnt pedaphiles and the catholic church has a streak of pedaphile priests because of the fact they cant get married or have sex. so its the religions fault there stupid

[HimesInu]

If there ever comes a time when there is a war against religion, I will be on the frontlines of that war. Religion is the reason for the majority of the world's problems. Let's abolish it all together.

[GrungeFlannel1990]

Homosexuality is not genetic and the studies supporting the evidence have been shown to contradict eachother when the studies were repeated again the same exact way

[TaylorX04]

@GrungeFlannel1990 Unsupported assertions are never evidence of anything, but even if you are correct, I don't see that it matters. Choice between two consenting persons is a fundamental right that any healthy society will encourage.

[watchful38]

Homosexuality and Pedophilia are different things. Today the Catholic Church regards both as "disorders", and incurable(at least insofar as modern psychiatry and all other disciples are concerned). Hence Zero tolerance! Pedophilia is the worse sin insofar as it destroys innocent children or teenagers! The victims are badly damaged psycologically, and complete healing may be out of reach. The jury is "out" re any inherent connection between the two disorders! Being gay is NOT sinful; acts are!

[thegreatfearblog]

There is a difference between homosexuality and paedophilia, as the first term refers to gender attraction and the second to age attraction. They are not interchangeable, but now mutually exclusive. In this case, of the catholic priest abusers, the absolute majority of cases involved homosexual paedophiliacs, as there were attacks of adults on children of the same sex. Is is difficult to understant that boys are of the same gender as men, therefore these were homsexual rapes on children?

[TheSimsCreedGuy]

one word: PedoHomoPhile

[KabbalahSherry]

I think I already responded to this video on your webpage, but I'm saying something here as well, because I really, really appreciate you talking about this!

I was FLOORED when I saw that the Vatican had the audacity to blame their gay priests for all of the child molesting going on within that organization! Give me a break!

Although I'm not gay myself, I am a friend to the gay community, and I get offended when I see gays being blamed for molestation against children! The nerve!

[manlioman]

I live in Italy and can tell you that the mass media is pulling away from covering the Church Pedophile scandals. Mass media (controlled by Berlusconi, also italian Prime Minister and one of the most richest in italy) is distracting the public with other news to draw the attention elsewhere. It's the oldest trick in the book, and it works. It is sickning!

[ToxicDoctrine]

Thanks for this excellent video, I hope we can get past the 'blame the Homosexuals' ploy as we seem to have gotten past 'blame celibacy'.

Neither Homosexuality nor celibacy is the cause of Pedophilia.

The Catholic Church is NOT the only institution plagued by Pedophilia.

BUT the Church (religion) is directly responsible for its existence and proliferation.

cont'd.....

[ToxicDoctrine]

3. Poor parenting, diminishing the childs self-esteem, especially in the area of his masculinity, religious imperatives against expressing ones sexuality, including a ban on masturbation, all take their toll on the maturing young boy.

cont'd...

[ToxicDoctrine]

4.

One of the main culprits, in this area, is religion; since the advent of the Abrahamic religions, sexual activity has come under strict guidelines and has generally been regarded as a lower form of human behavior. It seems that each new variant has become more sexually repressive, Christianity outdoing Judaism, Islam even more extreme.

This has caused many problems in society and mental health issues resulting from this sexual repression pervade our lives.

cont'd...

[ToxicDoctrine]

5. Instilling feelings of guilt or shame about normal sex drives, often in the form of fear of eternal punishment, causes many people, especially the most devout and impressionable, severe psychological problems.

This is evidenced in the child abuse problems of the church, these men did not become pedophiles because they were priests, they became pedophiles because they believed in the tenets of their religion and took refuge in the church due to those beliefs.

[dmurky]

Maybe I'm just a pervert, but why does that picture of the Vatican look like a massive set of cock & balls?

[bucksmasher1]

Why don't the priests ever get arrested for this shit? They should get locked up for life. The taliban killed everyone they caught practicing man boy ass sex and tried to do away with the Bacha Bazi bullshit that is popular with the pashtunes.

[michalchik]

The equation of homosexuality with pedophilia is plain silly. But in the case of the catholic church, I think the Catholics bias against homosexuality pushes homosexuals into the celibate priesthood; Some of these homosexuals are also pedophiles. So it is the Catholic churches anti-homosexual stance that insures that a higher percentage of their perverts are homosexual versions of their particular perversions..

[incoherentpoet]

@TheOJDrinker Okay, it is homosexual pedophilia...but what I was trying to get at was that if these Priests are homosexual and if they were being driven mad by their sexual desires, then why did they not have sex with each other to release these pressures? The priest are pedophiles, and not because they are homosexuals.

[TheOJDrinker]

@incoherentpoet I was not defending the position that it was caused by homosexuality, I was trying to convey the fact that the two are separate issues. Same sex = homo, child = pedo.

[xysig]

paedophilia and pederasty are not the same thing, one is an attraction to prepubescents, the other involves sexual contact and is illegal for obvious reasons.

paedophiles have no choice in the attraction to kids, only their actions.

please don't make more videos drawing on the idea that paedophiles and pederasts are the same, you're much smarter than to repeat everyone else's mistake.

[TaylorX04]

So all those psychological studies I refer to which call them pedophiles are incorrect? I think I'll stick with the more scholarly consensus, being that psychologists were the ones who defined what the mental disorder of pedophilia is. Pederasts may act on their desires, but so do pedophiles. The only difference is that pederasts maintain on-going "relationships".

[TaylorX04]

(cont'd) But the bigger point I have to make is: who gives a shit? Seriously, everyone knows the Catholic scandals involve priests that ACTED on their attractions, so you're just nitpicking the video. I agree that action is what's bad, not fantasy, but it's a red herring on your part. Please don't post any more comments drawing on irrelevant semantics.

[xysig]

i'm sorry, i was simply hoping to try and hope that your next video would using phrasing making the distiction clearer to avoid the same lapse in logic i see a lot.

attraction to children is paedophilia

paedophilia is synonimous with child molestation < here

people attracted to children are rapists.

i'm sorry if you thought i was saying anything negative towards you, or attacking you, that was not my intention in any way.

[TheAtonCLT]

@xysig: "people attracted to children are rapists."

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

90% of people who are attracted to children don't try to have sex with children.

I think that you have to read something about pedophilia, before to write these ridiculous statements!

[alfredpangchichiang]

Sexual abuses may be due to alcoholic consumption, as alcohol blocks the substrate that prevents over firing of nervous impulse. Thus, causing priests to lose their self control.

[tigsdk]

Thanks, this was great. So if it took them several hundred years to apologize for other crimes, how long to you think this will take them?

[Mahoivlich]

It would be interesting to see in the first study, the actual population numbers, male or female. I really think as most youth that fill roles within church services in the old world churches are predominately male roles.

[JemyM]

Sell the vatican, feed the world!

[funincluded]

Just so you know, this video is 'flagged' by a new thing on YouTube as being potentially 'objectionable"

[TaylorX04]

I wondered if that would happen, due to the image I used as the thumbnail, lol.

[99minerkc]

It doesn't matter to me whether it's Pedophile Priests, homosexual priests, or whatever other label you like! " IT'S ABOUT THE COVER UPS" by religious authorities!  The church is trying sooo hard to slip and slide their way out of this scandle!! DON'T LET THE CHURCH GET AWAY WITH LIES AND DECEPTION!!

[macnutz]

Very insightful, thanks for posting this.

[TheGodlessGuitarist]

Is there any data on how forthcoming girls are vs boys with respect to sexual abuse?

[thinker900]

Preaching to the "choir."

[logoth80]

i think you missed more important argument.

someone saying molesting a boy is homosexual, claims that molesting a little girl is heterosexual.

i dont know what sick f.cks have in their heads, but act of molesting a 8yo girl is not heterosexual... most of the time girls and boys at that age look the same.

its like saying homo/hetero bestiality depending if you molested a male/female duck...

[TaylorX04]

Actually, I think the more important point there is one I already made, that sexual orientation is irrelevant for pedophilia. There have been studies on the prison population that show heterosexual men behave homosexually while incarcerated for a time, and once they are released, they return to heterosexual behavior. Under certain circumstances, people with poor social skills appear to change their orientation.

[logoth80]

@TaylorX04

maybe i wasnt clear. i agree with "that sexual orientation is irrelevant for pedophilia" completly.

just in ridiculing opposite 'view' i pointed that calling pedophile a homosexual because he molested a boy, is like saying someone is heterosexual (in their view 'healthy') because he molested little girl.

like they argue rape on kids is not as sick as long as its different gender...

[TaylorX04]

(cont'd) So it's not really their orientation that spurs behavior, but their environment and how they adapt to it. There is a good chance that these pedophile priests were affected by celibacy, by being around young boys a lot of the time, and possibly by past events of abuse or awkward contact with other adults.

[has2cats]

Your posts are always superb with information. Thanks! Always so articulate. Always look forward to a subscriber update from TaylorX04.

[dreamy2]

abstinence make the church grows fondlers

[MinervaInTheBrain]

Is there even a strong correalation between same sex pedophilia and homosexual attraction to adults?

[BARYMCOCKNER]

They just need to get better looking Nun's

[KasparHauser4]

Even if they are right...That homosexuals in the church caused the child molestation problem....Aren't almost all priests from deeply catholic families? Therefore does that mean that Catholicism cause homosexuality?

[GetMeThere1]

I can think of two explanations right away:

1) Female contacts get reported less. The male cases get reported more because the child feels especially violated because the act doesn't match their own orientation.

2) Parents, from an instinctive hetero perspective, tend to avoid giving priests free access to their little girls, while they don't tend to perceive likely harm from priests toward their little boys. That would mean hetero oriented pedophiles priests have much fewer opportunities.

[fallbread]

Great vid well done I totaly agree rip the church apart tell the stoies of the girls that will bring the chuch down its all been going on for centuries now people are fed up

[SeventhCycle]

Thank you for doing this video. It's good to see you back.

[ooolikujy]

catholisism causes pedophilia. evangilical chistianity causes methadone abuse.

[chosetec]

Another great video. Under the Catholic church's logic, heterosexuality would ALSO be a cause of pedophilia, since girls were molested too.

[GuineaPigDan]

I just heard a host on EWTN radio this morning say that these abuses were the result of what happens when the gay lifestyle is tolerated. If that's a valid argument, I might as well say that high teen birth, rape, and abortion rates are what happens when the straight lifestyle is tolerated, and thus is equally evil.

Just curious, are there any studies showing if gay people are more promiscuous than straight people? I don't see any reason to think so, but if I'm wrong, I'd like to know.

[airihi]

@GuineaPigDan

My understanding is the general the answer is yes. The study I've heard of was looking at gender roles in sexual relationships, and the finding was that gay men had more partners than straight men or women, and gay women had the least, in accordance, strangely enough, with expected reproductive roles.

It's pretty likely promiscuity is higher in societies where homosexuals are not allowed to form legally binding or even public relationships too. I'm not aware of studies though.

[ProfMTH]

The clerical sex abuse scandal has been seized by conservative Catholics in order to grind their various axes against liberals and homosexuals and women in the Church and the purported infiltation of the Church by them since, as the tale usually goes, the 2nd Vatican Council. Facts (including statistics) that do not conveniently fit into this preexisting narrative are ignored, abused, or some combination of the two.

[ProfMTH]

(con't) It is a defamatory disinformation campaign that enjoys the support of the hierarchy and that is designed to achieve other goals, e.g., undoing the reforms of Vatican II, preserving the Church's hierarchy from moral blame and, worse yet, legal responsibility (as you quite correctly noted in the video). Meanwhile, the Church is decaying and dying despite (perhaps because of) all this bullshit.

[Bear5177]

Great video. Good points too. Seems as if the more the Catholic church attempts to assuage the growing number of pedophilia claims, the deeper the church digs its own grave.

[airihi]

Attacks by men on boys are probably just as likely more so than attacks on girls.

The problem is that the church, in it's blind prejudice and lack of wisdom, sees that as a homosexual issue, and therefore is unlikely to look at other personal traits of abusers.

If they could cut /all/ homosexuals from the church abuse may go down by up to 30% (using their dubious stats). If they used more honest screening methods abuse could be all but eliminated.

At very least they would be actually trying.

[wolfwing1]

I actually thought about a good reason why you might find alot of gay priests *not nescarily molesting* if you think about it, catholic church preaches that being gay is wrong and a sin, and must be celebate, and what better way to try to make sure you will be celebate but to become someone that has to be celebate.

[TaylorX04]

That could be a part of it, but I think it's more likely that there are quite a bit less actual homosexuals in the priesthood than studies have reported. When a researcher just asks the priests involved what sex they're attracted to, they still may not be getting the full story. Pedophiles are confused people, as those studies I cite in the video show, and they may be identifying themselves as gay when they don't really even know.

[wolfwing1]

@TaylorX04 True, though my mom tries to cite some studies that had shown that there was alot of homosexual "problems"  In seminaries and such groups of homosexuals would ge together, I should ask her to show this to me.

[TaylorX04]

Yes, and finding out the survey questions asked could be very helpful too. Even so, the claim that sexual orientation is tied to pedophilia is a bankrupt, red herring of an argument. It ignores decades of research and profiling done by psychologists and law enforcement.

[wolfwing1]

@TaylorX04 Yeah, I wasn't trying to argue like they have thta majority are homosexuals or such, just giving a reason for large numbers of homosexuals in the priesthood and why there might be higher numbers. But as you say it's a hard thing to study and get actual figuers, plus the church has reason to blame homosexuals so who knows if we can trust their figures.

[airihi]

@TaylorX04

Stating they are gay is probably an easy out for the abusive priest when they are caught too:

Priest: "I didn't want to abuse boys, but I have a horrible, ungodly affliction"

Church Official: "Oh! you're homosexual! Why didn't you say you had the devil in you! Let's give you some parental counsel and a plane ticket to a children's school in the third world!"

[TaylorX04]

Exactly. That's the point I was trying to make. The Catholic church started placing some of the blame on gays even before these "studies" on homosexuality in the priesthood came out. I think there probably is an agenda at work in the numbers.

[ProfMTH]

@TaylorX04 The other thing worth noting is that sex abusers tend to prey on whomever is readily available to them. For priests bent on sexual abuse, perhaps the most readily available population was boys and adolescent males. Therefore it's no surprise that much of the abuse was same-sex. But that tells us little or nothing about homosexuality among priests, as you correctly note.

[ProfMTH]

(con't) Many men who happened to be gay faithfully served the Catholic Church and its various ministries and causes for years. These men and their faithful service are being sullied in order to protect the criminally negligent bishops and other leaders who are more concerned about protecting themselves and the ecclesiastical hand that (over)feeds them rather than the victims in their midst.

[TaylorX04]

(cont'd) And it could also be that these priests are simply displacing the blame out of their own humiliation. Pinning their behavior on homosexuality might make them feel like less of a monster and keep them out of having to face their own inner demons.

[BathTubNZ]

Thank you for the reminder of all the female victims, they do seem to have been swept under the carpet a bit here.

[airihi]

Lol at the opening graphic!

[TheNakedAtheist]

I think labeling pedophiles homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexuals is a red herring. Pedophiles from my understanding are an entire separate category. While in some cases pedophilia may be engaged in by people who are attracted to males, or females of their own age, in the same way that someone may engage in rape without being a serial rapist, it is primarily engaged in by people who are attracted to children more so than adults.

[TheNakedAtheist]

Continued...

We don't label people who engage in bestiality as heterosexual, or homosexual zoophiles. Ultimately my point is men don't join the priesthood to have sex with young boys because they are homosexual, nor are they likely to join because they are pedophiles (though that wouldn't be entirely improbable), they are simply pedophiles who act on their predilection when the opportunity presents itself.

[ginkiba3]

These cases of child-rape were either done out of the desire for power then the altar-boys themselves, priests of any religion hold immense amounts of power over they're congregation. The poor kids trust they're seniors and that makes them easy targets, regardless of they're gender.

I agree with incoherentpoet, if this was full blown homosexuality then the priests would be sleeping with each other.

[melowar78]

@ginkiba3 Who's to say that the priests weren't having sex with each other? I'm not defending the "blame the homo's" stance at all, I'm just bringing up the point.

[ginkiba3]

@melowar78 You do make a valid point, it seems that sex scandals happen in the Catholic Church almost yearly. For all that we know these child rape cases could be one of many sex abuses that managed to slip under the Holy See's radar. To be honest, if I found out that the Archbishop of America was buying premium hookers for one of his "prayer" sessions, I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest.

[kundalinirake]

@ginkiba3

How do you know the priests are not sleeping with each other?

[ginkiba3]

@kundalinirake I don't and I assume neither do you. My point was that homosexual priests wouldn't go after kids, they'd go after other adults.

[Obasiliasfilosofos]

The reason cases involving boys get more attention, is that the public has more revulsion for.

[WolfriksWorld]

A homosexual priest is a conflicted creature anyway. Makes as much sense to join the priesthood if you're gay as it does to support the KKK if you're black. Then again, any human being who would deny their normal sexual urges in order to spend their days worshipping a non-existant deity can't be in their right mind. The ridiculous constraints of monastic celebacy probably causes pedophilia.

[incoherentpoet]

I don't think it is homosexuality. If it was homosexuality, then why didn't the priests have sex with each other? Why did they have to abuse those young boys?

[TheOJDrinker]

@incoherentpoet It's this simple. same sex attraction = homosexual.

child attraction = pedophile.

same sex child attraction = homosexual pedophile. They are two different things that are not mutually exclusive. It may not be the agreed consensus, but think about it. Why would those attracted to children inexplicably ignore gender?

[TaylorX04]

I could ask why those attracted to a specific gender would inexplicably ignore children? They ARE two different things. Studies of the prison population have shown people who are heterosexual before and after incarceration exhibit homosexual behavior when men are all they have access to. Why would someone change their orientation in such a circumstance? I think you're seriously oversimplifying things.

[TheOJDrinker]

@TaylorX04 People don't 'inexplicably' ignore children, it's nature not making us want them because they can't procreate. Now why would gender be ignored? As far as prison goes, yes they DO change their sexual orientation... to homo and then maybe back. Why? possibly for the same reasons the priests do, because that's what is available, and they are adapting to their environment, as humans tend to do. It's not a choice, at least not a concious one, but I don't think it's entirely static.

[TheAtonCLT]

@TheOJDrinker: by the way, homosexuality it's what we call a "sexual orientation".

A pedophile who likes male children has not the same sexual orientation like an homosexual.

I think that's what they mean people when tehy see that pedophile who like male children are not homosexuals.

[TheOJDrinker]

@TheAtonCLT I agree that homosexuality and pedophilia are two different sexual orientations (both without an evolutionary purpose) but my point is not that they were the same, but that they were not mutually exclusive. Being attracted to a male child doesn't automatically exclude that child from being male. Although I agree that it's more about the vulnerability of the target than an attraction to it (as rape isn't about sex, but violence) I also think men who rape men in prison are gay as well.

[TheAtonCLT]

[comment 1] @TheOJDrinker wrote: "Although I agree that it's more about the vulnerability" No, pedophiles are simply people who like children and theirs typical features. Children have peculiar features: - Low stature - No hairs - No muscles - Childish voice etc... A pedophile is pedophile because he likes these peculiar features of children. Staight men and homosexual men like femine features/masculine features, while pedophiles are attracted to "chilidish features". ........

[TheAtonCLT]

[comment 2]

LIke i said in comment 1, pedophiles are not attracted to feminine/masculine features, but to childish features.

That's why searching links between sexual orientation (hetero/gay) and pedophilia doesn't make sense.

Many pedophiles who like male children are gynephiles (attracted to women), and not androphiles (attracted to men); infact childish features are more similar to feminine features than masculine features; they like little boys because of theirs "feminine features"

[TheOJDrinker]

@TheAtonCLT Well I think the problem here is that I disagree. I think children have more in common with masculine features than feminine ones, such as no breasts, no hips(very important!) and as such do not see a tie between heterosexual males liking both women and children. And although pedophilia is a mental condition (according to psychologists) and not mutually exclusive with male/female orientation, it's still a sexual preference and relates to other preferences the person has.

[TheAtonCLT]

[comment 2]

@TheOJDrinker: and furthermore, if children would be more masculine than feminine, why would most pedophiles be gynephiles (attracted to adult women) and not androphiles (attracted to adult men)?

99% of pedophiles who like little girls are gynephiles, and at least 50-70% of pedophiles who like little boys are gynephiles too.

And NOT androphiles!!

See statistics ( according to a study, of 50 males children, 38 were molested from a gynephile man)

[kundalinirake]

@incoherentpoet

How do you know the priests are not sleeping with each other?

[incoherentpoet]

@kundalinirake Well, I don't. Maybe they were sleeping with each other AND sleeping little kids. If they were ONLY sleeping with each others, then it wouldn't be as bad because they would only be hypocrites. But the fact that they are messing with kids makes them monsters. But if they were sleeping with each other and getting what they wanted, why mess with the kids? It's a messed up situation and my head is starting to hurt from trying to figure out a pedophiles frame of mind.