to all his sheep... write him and ask where he got his PHD, he calls himself Dr... I bet this "good man" will not tell you. Also Murray's 1958 minister's license was signed by the late white supremacists Roy Gillaspie and Kenneth Gof... can you say KKK...
If I understand correctly, Murray does not teach a physical (glorified body)resurrection Can anyone tell me if he also teaches that Jesus was not raised Physically? A spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have. Lk.24:39
Murray is an idiot heretic -- I've already been in his cult and have long since abandoned it. If you're affiliated with his teachings do some serious study and get yourself free - pray for God's forgiveness for following after this man.
@JDrosa1982 Please do some research on Babylon and stop embarrassing yourself in front of people that actually know what they are talking about. Murray's explanation of the Rapture is an outright lie plain and simple. It has nothing to do with flying away. The Rapture teaches that Christ will gather believers together when HE is ready and at no other time. Only Christ can gather us according to his time and that is what the Rapture is about. Stop listening to his lies.
@ministerfortson your going to have to document that the rapture is true in the bible. if the rapture is true then you have to show where it is spoken of more then once. the bible is a big book . and no where dose rapture aline with the plan Christ and God put forth. you need to document that. you need to document it and back it up where it alines with what Christ said. with more then one scripture.
@JDrosa1982 Already done. Feel free to check my videos. There is a 1.5 hour study on the Rapture that I did just for people being deceived by Arnold Murray. You're going to have to document more than one place where it says God is against the Rapture and Ezekiel 13 isn't it. Neither you nor AM has done any research on what it's actually about. Do some research on catching souls and you will see that many cultures practiced it.
@aslund76 His words are exactly as he said them. I just put the clips together. If you don't like what Murray is saying, write him about it. Don't get mad because your false teacher has been proven to be a liar... Google "Arnold Murray False Teacher" and see how many results you get. He is a cult leader and his followers are the only people too blind to see it. You don't even know what the Rapture is about, especially if all you know is what your false teacher says.
@aslund76 Only if you don't actually check behind him. Furthermore, someone saying "blasphemy" is not a threat. Murray is a false teacher, deal with it.
@GodsTruthSeeker Typical Murray student fashion... don't do any research of your own just make assumptions. Murray being a false teacher has nothing to do with the Rapture. In fact only his deceived students bring it up as if it is the only subject everyone else believes. By the way there is not one belief in the Rapture. I used the Strong's in the video to show that the words Rapture and Harpazo mean the exact same thing. The word Rapture is English. Harpazo is Greek. Don't be an idiot. Read.
@GodsTruthSeeker Don't be mad because he got caught in his lies and false teaching. Just accept it and start reading for yourself. however thinks this guy is even remotely telling the truth has never actually opened a Bible.
@tvhjr44 It makes perfect sense. People go places and return all the time. The entire point of the entire event is to get the attention of mankind. Maybe you haven't noticed but everything get progressively worse as it goes on. Read Isaiah 26. Jesus also said "I got to prepare a place for you and if I go I'll come again to RECEIVE YOU TO MYSELF that where I am ye may be also." Why would He say that if he's just going to come to us?
@GypsyCOOKINGbayAREA Therein lies your first problem. The Rapture has nothing to do with flying away. Arnold Murray has twisted the meaning so he can make his point. Learn something about what people actually believe before taking that false teacher's word for it.
If he's teaching something false, the Holy Spirit will point it out. That is if you know the Bible. He will also someday stand before God and give an account.
@enigma413 Exactly, but as I've learned, most of his followers don't actually read the Bible. They just accept what he tells them because the verse is on the screen. He then adds some strange interpretation to what he's reading and they swallow it hook, line, and sinker. He mixes lies with truth in order to deceive people just like Satan did in the garden and attempted to do with Jesus. This man is truly one of Satan's servants.
Just because he's a horrible teacher doesn't automatically mean he isn't saved. The bible is full of imperfect people who follow God and make mistakes. David anyone? "A heart after God's own heart", yet he lusted, had a man killed, took his wife... Will David be in Hell? How about Abraham? Passed his wife off as his sister. On and on and on. All I'm saying, is, you don't have to give the guy a break as a teacher, I agree he's bad, but what about as a human being and a brother?
@jimhoffman2009 Send him a question about salvation. He teaches that we made our decision in the first earth age (a Christianized version of reincarnation). All I know is that he is deceiving people by using the Bible to push twisted and racist doctrine, which says something about him as a person. He talks about Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but doesn't believe in the Trinity. Feel free to write him and see if he gives a straight answer.
Ok, here's a question for you: Who are the kenites today? Give me an example of a name or organization. And what is the multi-headed beast system? Just a quick short answer so I can see where you are coming from.
@subaraptor Read the book of Daniel. He tells us plainly that the Best is not a system. I get my interpretation directly from the Bible, not Murray. There are no Kenites today as Murray interprets it. More Murray lies. Nobody from Cain's line survived the flood. The Bible is clear. The actual Kenites is a tribe that Moses' father in law was from. Murray teaches Serpent Seed and British Israelism, which are both racist doctrines that existed long before him. Google "Roy Gillaspie" Murray's mentor
@subaraptor He actually says the mark of the beast is something in your mind, which is a lie. Check the Greek word for mark. It refers to a physical stamp. 2nd the Tribulation is longer than 5 months. He gets that nonsense from Revelation 9, which is only about ONE plague (5th trump) which lasts 5 months. If you actually read 6th trump, it lasts for 1 year, 1 month, and 1 day. Do some reading and stop listening to this false teacher. He's confused and hopes you won't check.
Why do you care so much about Murray? He obviously does not care about you, and wishes you no ill will, as I have never heard him mention you. You seem to spend a great deal of time studying Murray and his teachings. Where are your great works? I think everybody realizes that Murray is just a flesh man, like the rest of us, and we all can accept that he parapharases scripture from time to time and even fumbles his speach once in a while. Maybe you are perfect?
@subaraptor Because he is deceiving people. He teaches outright lies that contradict the Bible. He is a cult leader plain and simple. The Bible tells us to use scripture for correction and if people check their Bible, they will find him to be a liar as well. David Koresh and Jim Jones used the Bible too and look what happened. Catholics use the Bible and they pray to saints and Mary, which is not Biblical. He tells people that accepting the mark of the beast is OK. He's Satan's servant.
@tvhjr44 Nope, nobody I know teaches like Murray. He's false and full of lies. Just check out his paraphrase of Ezekiel 13. He omits most of the information, twists it, and falsely claims it has to do with the Rapture and it doesn't. Can't believe there are people dumb enough to listen to this guy.
@ministerfortson I watched Murray for quite some time, waiting for him to explain how one must be saved.....never heard it one time! I also never heard any emphasis put on Jesus and the cross.
@raeleneprothero I have watched Murray for quite some time, and have heard him explain many times how one must be saved. You can be saved from temptation to worship the false christ by knowing the truth which is the Word of God, and not some tradition of man that was invented by a mentally ill Irish woman back in 1830.
@RSF1972 What difference does the word make? We are talking about the concept. Show me "demons" in the Bible. The word is "devils" but we still say demon. Show me "second coming" in the Bible. Not there but we still say it. The concept of the "rapture" is there. So I'll say Harpazo. It means the exact same thing. And yes Harpazo is in the LXX. I'll call it the Rapimeur. Means the exact same thing. That's in the Vulgate. We can call it the Lachach. That's Hebrew and means the same. Take your pick
@MrGhostblood Actually, that's a lie. I just took clips of his statements and compiled them. He said, "who do you think you were before you entered your mother's womb?" That was in reference to a question about angels. He believes we lived in a previous earth age and were reincarnated into this one. He doesn't say the word, but the concept is exactly what reincarnation teaches. He teaches we will fight satan as Michael's angels. Book, chapter, and verse please... There are none, he's lying.
@MrGhostblood No, people don't like him because he teaches falsely. His attitude is just icing on the cake. There you go quoting Murray again and not using the Strong's. Air in Greek is (aer) and spirit is (pneuma). 1 Thess uses aer. Furthermore the word clouds is (nephele) and his interpretation of "great cloud of witnesses" is nephos. 1 Thess uses nephele. You'd know that if you checked behind him like he suggests. He lies on all accounts about 1 Thess. 4:17. He makes it up to fit his belief.
@MrGhostblood There you go lying... if you've studied it for a while, are you talking about pre-trib, mid trib, post trib, or pre-wrath Rapture? If you say all of them, you'll show yourself to be a liar because one of them teaches that Antichrist comes first and Christ comes once at the end to gather us all. AM didn't tell you that did he? LOL. So which rapture belief are you referring to? I don't really expect you to answer since you just lied about studying it for a while.
@MrGhostblood Stop making excuses for the false teacher. He hasn't been in the military for decades. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is clear that we will be Harpazo (physically snatched by force). Feel free to pick up a Strong's and stop being brainwashed. Murray is a false teacher and 90% of the stuff that comes from his mouth is a lie about scripture or a lie about what other people believe. He mixes in just a little truth because that's exactly how Satan works.
@Oneofthekings86 Actually, you are now blocked here on YouTube as well and reported for SPAM. I'll pray that your eyes are opened to Murray's false teaching. It says a lot when I ask you for book chapter and verse to back up Murray's teachings, you send 10+ emails and none of them contain any, Thanks for proving that he's a false teacher that doesn't use the Bible.
@TheFarleyGordon Murray is a liar and if you are following him you are being lied to. Check for yourself. I just posted a new video with more of his lies.
@zumadale Maybe you should listen to my rapture study so you can sound intelligent about what rapture believers actually believe instead of holding on to the lies that AM teaches about what we believe. Yes, they are lies because what he teaches about the rapture and what we believe is absolutely false.
@zumadale Then you have been lied to for a very long time. The Rapture has nothing to do with the being that sets foot on Earth. In fact, the rapture teaches that we will be taken into the literal air.
@zumadale I just posted a study on what the rapture ACTUALLY teaches and it's nothing like the lie that AM is spreading. He's a false teacher and his rapture teachings are proof that he is lying about what people really believe. People that believe the Rapture actually study a lot. 3 of the Rapture doctrines teach that the Antichrist comes first, but AM doesn't tell you that because he's a liar.
@zumadale LOL more AM lies and he doesn't even know what the Rapture is about. Anybody that believes in the Rapture can listen to him and immediately spot the lie he's telling. The Rapture he is talking about is pre-trib and it's not the only teaching, which shows his ignorance. 2, the Rapture doesn't teach that anyone is going to set foot on earth. It teaches the Christ will snatch believers into the sky. AM is a liar and you have been deceived by his lies about what the rapture teaches.
@zumadale He only uses a Strong's when it's convenient for him. Other times he outright lies about it. The new video I posted gives the Strong's Numbers to each verse he is talking about and he lies about which words are used so he can make it fit his false doctrine. He lies plain as day and his followers are either too blind or too stupid to check for themselves when he is caught red handed in a lie. By the way, nobody is using the NIV, but AM misquotes it and gets caught lying.
@zumadale Remember, Jesus didn't threaten to shoot people for calling Him a blasphemer. AM is full of pride, that's the only reason he had to get a gun. He's a liar, a false prophet, and a false teacher. His false prophecy is well known among people that actually study.
@cindyluver2 Here is a perfect example of the kinds of "Christians" that follow Murray. Nothing like Christ at all. LOL... The Bible proves he speaks lies. Quote Ezekiel 13 word for word, then listen to what he claims it says. He's a liar and a false teacher.
@bigbvs22 Another uninformed AM follower that doesn't even know what he's talking about. There are FOUR rapture teachings. Only ONE teaches that Christ comes first. The other three teach that Satan comes first. Learn something before speaking. People like you make Arnold Murray look like a liar, especially among those that know the truth about him. He's not telling you everything. Ask him how many Rapture teachings there are and then ask why he only talks about 1 and not all 4.
@bigbvs22 More AM brainwashing... which Rapture theology are you referring to? There are 4 and only 1 teaches that Christ comes first. Learn something before you repeat what AM tells you. He's a liar.
9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
@YesImOneOFMany LOL. You quoted false Jonathan to prove your point. Yet, neither you nor Murray quote the Bible to prove it. What you managed to quote was the complete opposite of what the REAL word of God says. Meaning your faith is in the Targum and not in the word of God. Furthermore, still waiting on a BIBLICAL explanation of how Cain's line survived the flood, but I don't see any of you non-Bible believing Murray worshipers providing any scripture. You never do.
@YesImOneOFMany Read Genesis 4. He's in the Genealogy of Adam. Enoch was the 7th on Seth's side. There is no reason for Cain to appear in Seth's genealogy. The Bible ALWAYS has a genealogy for the children. Shem and Ham don't appear in Japheth's genealogy and vice versa. It wouldn't make any sense to at all, especially when Cain's lineage, starting with Adam is already in Genesis 4.
@ritmotraveler Ezekiel 13 is about the practice of soul trapping. AM's interpretation of it completely ignores history, common sense, and the actual words on the page.
@YesImOneOFMany I find it real easy in Genesis 4. Only an ignorant person would deny that Genesis 4 starts by saying Adam is Cain's father. Furthermore, when the Bible gives the genealogy of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, you don't see them in each other's genealogy. Chapter 5 is Seth's genealogy. There is one genealogy for each person. If you pick up your Bible and actually read Genesis 4, Cain's genealogy is there, starting ADAM.
@StuShoal87 Read Revelation 2-3 and you'll see that God does have a problem with not speaking up against false teachers and false doctrine. So I'm speaking up against Murray and his false teachings. Google "Arnold Murray False Teacher" and there are thousands of others speaking against him as well.
@StuShoal87 Ezekiel 13 has nothing to do with the rapture. Maybe you need to brush up on your history and ignore Murray for a while. Its about the ancient practice of soul trapping.
@chrisandstaci I can't by what he supposedly means, which you don't know unless he told you. I can only go by what he says and does, just as he mentioned in the video.
4tson STILL has yet to address Matt 24, Lu 21, & 2 Thess 2, BECAUSE FALSE PROPHETS IGNORE THESE CHAPTERS WHILE HARPING ON FLASE INTERPRETATIONS OF OTHER SCRIPTURES. Ur a damnedable liar 4tson! U & I BOTH KNOW U R. A REAL PASTOR/MINISTER WOULD NEVER SPEND THIS MUCH TIME MALIGNING ANOTHER, BUT I'M STILL EXPOSING HIS BS.
@ballistix01 By the way, read Revelation 2 and 3. Churches were condemned for NOT speaking the truth about false teachers. So yes, I'll continue to post videos every time I catch a lie coming out of his mouth, which is almost every day on his show. I can't keep up lol.
Just because you don't understand him doesn't mean he is a false teacher. The fault is your own that you have not studied enough independently to know that what he says is deeper than what you have experienced....
@somekindonut Let me correct you. I study all day every day and understand that he is 100% false in 99% of what he says. Serpent Seed is lie. I wrote a book on it, feel free to search it on Amazon. I could go on and on, but he's a liar, plain and simple.
@chucklesxxo1 Actually he's not one of the most truthful. He mixes in a little truth with a little bit that isn't even in the Bible. Consult the Strong's and you'll see that Eve never had sex with the serpent, Adam was Cain's father, people didn't fight in Lucifer's rebellion, etc... he teaches so much false stuff that I could post on it all day.
@ministerfortson Like I said, I don't agree on everything that he says but he is 90% right most of the time because he is reading straight from the Bible. Some of his interpretations may be wrong but so what.if that is what he really believes....People have their own interpretation and opinions, . .At least he is not begging for money every 10 minutes.
@ballistix01 Actually I didn't twist or change anything. The video is all him speaking. By the way, you need to watch it again. I posted KJV when he quoted from it. I then posted NIV when he quoted from it. I posted both versions and he misquoted them both in exchange for his own words.
Ive alredy told you what your lies were,but then thats how a reprobate dbl-minded individual's mind works.U should join the group "The Spinners,"4 that seems to apparently be what your best at. Ignoring where i called out your lies. Thats hilarious, MINISTER whatever. Who croaked & made YOU a minister? Monster's more like it. LOL.
Google "twins w/ different fathers"& read up there,genius.We're all waiting.I can quote several Scriptures that st8 satan=cains direct,literal,actual father;even Christ said this in the NT,but i challenge YOU 2 tell me where it is.Dont know?Well,then u'd better stop tellg ppl what U think the Word says;as He st8d,many'll come in My Name (falsely).I dont care if u do in ignor.,but stop b'g a h8r against AM & pretendg 2 b & KnowItAll.Eve didnt know she had twins fr 2 diff fathers;was her 1st birth
@4tson:Gen 4:1 doesNOT say Adam=Cains father.Do u know anythg about the Hebr manuscripts?The answer is obv NO."& Adam knew Eve his wife;& she conceivd& bare Cain,& said,Ive gotten a man fr the LORD.& she again bare his brother Abel"=Adam "knew" Eve,so she bore Cain&Abel,but doesnt say "Adam=his father."Read it again.It simply st8s Adam knew Eve,then st8s the names of the twins she bore,but DOES NOT st8"Cain=Adams son!"Eve was innocent & didnt understand she'd bore twins fr 2 DIFF FATHERS
@ballistix01 Saying someone is the literal child of the devil is bearing false witness if they aren't. So prove it or feel free to repent for bearing false witness. LOL.
Its OK monster fartson,LOL,Ive entreated the Father about you,& it is He who will see to your correction.Look for it.4 u r d 1 twisting & lying,which AM would also say 2 u.What is your fixation wi/ lying about AM AWA the Bible/Word itself?If ur SO knowlegable,tell us about the end times view.U seem 2 b a legend in ur own mind!But then,maybe YOUR god's on a "potty break."LOL! You dont even KNOW what AM teaches which makes you both callous,unlearned,& an idiot.So TELL us,o gr8 1!
@ballistix01 Feel free to read my website. It has all of what I believe and EVERYTHING is backed by scripture. I don't do the AM style false teaching of mixing Targums with the Bible. Unfortunately none of his students are intelligent enough to take a look and see that he is lying. Can you name 1 lie I told about AM? He's speaking for himself in the videos. I'm only asking questions and posting scripture. He's not above being questioned. Stop worshiping him. He's not God.
@ballistix01 The Bible never says any of them were Kenites. He made that up or feel free to give me book, chapter, and verse. Genesis 4:1 says Adam was Cain's father. It never once says Satan. He's a liar. Read: Serpent Seed: Debunked. Anyone teaching Serpent Seed is a liar. The follow the teaching of the Targums, not the Bible. GENESIS 4:1 is the FINAL WORD. Watch video 6 it shows him lying and the Bible verses to prove it. No paraphrases like he does. Just word for word proving him a liar.
@ballistix01 By the way, didn't you say you were done? Is that more of that AM false teaching coming to the surface? LOL. By the way, I believe the AC comes first... that has nothing to do with the rapture. You make yourself sound ignorant when you say that. The Rapture has 4 views, but AM students would rather let him tell them what to believe than research. Learn the 4 views on the rapture b4 talking about it. 3 Teach AC comes first. Only 1 teaches that Christ comes 1st. Learn something.
@ballistix01 He constantly "mispeaks" on Ezekiel having 25 verse. Either he doesn't read his Bible or his students don't check. Watch the rest of the videos. Someone even writes in and points it out. He changes the subject to the NIV. I've watched AM for 3 years. The more I watch, the more false stuff I hear. What does Ezekiel 13 say word for word? No compare that to what AM claims it says and its not the same at all. Research Ezekiel's time and AM's teachings are clearly false. He's a liar.
@ballistix01 That has nothing to do with the Rapture. LOLOLOL. You should learn about the practices of pagans in Ezekiel's time. It was about capturing souls. He did teach about the rapture. You can't teach anyone to be Raptured. Wow he really has you people brainwashed. Its sad and pathetic. Google, "arnold murray false teacher" and see what comes up.
Done w/ you, o minister of SATAN, for you are both a liar & heretic, & its obvious youre NO real "pastor." Youre obviously in line of one of those FALSE SUPER PREACHERS. Throw that "pastors certific8" (if you have one) in the round file. We might be seeing you on the other side if youre not careful. [NOT judging; for thats Fathers business. Just simply discerning your pernicious ways. of wolf in sheeps. Can you really tell us you believe the lies you speak?
@DannyTags444 Actually that doesn't end it. Typical Arnold Murray students know nothing about the Rapture so why do you even bother debating it? ONLY pre-trib rapture teaches that it will happen before the AC comes. Mid Trib, Post Trib, and Pre-Wrath rapture all teach that it happens after the AC comes... maybe you should learn what you're talking about before talking about it. I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture.
@shepherdschapelDOTco What's your point? We already know that. It is you that doesn't know what you are talking about when referencing the Rapture. Just like I say to all uninformed AM students, do some research, then talk about the Rapture. AM is a liar and doesn't teach the truth about the rapture. Plain and simple. If he did, you'd find a different argument.
@ministerfortson well it sounds to me like you believe the samw way Arnold Murray teaches it, so maybe you should see what people are saying before you pick sides, or start bad mouthing people, its not cool to call some a false teacher for teaching God word, so dont be so narrow minded and maybe listen for your self some time and dont jut go with what everyone else says
@DannyTags444 I definitely don't believe what he teaches. I've listened to him for a long time. The more I listen, the more false teachings I hear. He teaches a pre-wrath rapture (catching up). I don't believe that. I don't believe Satan is Cain's father, and I definitely don't follow his racist Kenite teachings. Ex members of his cult all point out that he's a false teacher. What's funny is all of you get mad and all I did was post his own words. He's false and not teaching God's word.
@m.fortson:U say 1 thing then another,which makes any true Bible student very wary.On 1 hand, u say u dont believe pre-t; well AM doesnt either. Bible speaks of 2 tribs; 1st by false christ @ "6,6,6" [6th Seal,Trump,Vial]; then Gods trib/wrath against His & His true childrens enemies when Christ returns @ 777 or 7th/Last S,T,V].Sorry, but then u go on, speakg against AM which shows ur either ignorant,double-minded as Scripture says,deliber8,or havent listened 2 AM much at all.Now which is it?
@ballistix01 Following AM clearly has you ignorant of scripture. 6 seal, 6 trumpet, 6 bowl all occur at different times. All of the seals must be broken before the trumpets blow. All of the trumpets must be blown before the vials are poured out. You should learn about the Rapture before speaking. I believe in the Rapture, just not the pre-trib rapture. There are 4 different rapture teachings. If you weren't ignorant you'd know all of the rapture views and not just his teaching on it.
@ministerfortson:excuse me,u r d 1 who's apparently ignorant (your words of division not mine], 4 i never st8d 666 occurred @ exactly the same time;U said i st8d that.C how u twist?Ur logic is fallacious in normal conversation;how there4 can we expect 2 pay mind 2 anythg u've 2 say about Gods Word?!U deflected there.I am a post-anti-c's trib (666);Bible clearly st8s anti-C comes 1st, then True Christ @ 7th re: Matt 24,Lu 21,2 thess 2,etc.Ez 13:20 KJV has God st8g He h8s fly 2 save souls.
I am not a student of ARNOLD MURRAY I am a student of the teaching of JESUS CHRIST.I also am a teacher of the same message.I do not teach for or against the rapture because it does not exist.When you go outside of HIS word you have made a terrible mistake.MONETAREY GAIN IN THE NAME OF GOD IS THE WORST THING A PERSON CAN DO.
@mamasboy815 Its in there. Study your Bible and your Strongs. Your lack of study shows that you don't know what you're talking about. You claim that going outside of the word is a terrible mistake, yet His word says Accepting the Mark of the Beast and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit are the worst things you can do. So do you go strictly by the Word or not? Your true colors are starting show... LOL
@RussCo7 Very well said. Its about witchcraft not about the Rapture, but once again, his followers don't read for themselves. You'll find that they quote AM more than they quote directly from the Bible. They refuse to quote God's word.
@RussCo7 my favorite part is that he always says, "Ezekiel 13:18-25". Verses 24-25 don't exist in any Bible at all. However, his followers never talk about him quoting scriptures that aren't there.
@ministerfortson YOU JUST SAID IT DIDNT EXIST.13:19 AND WILL YE POLUTE ME AMONG MT PEOPLE FOR HANDFULS OF BARLEY FOR PIESES OF BREAD TO SLAY THE SOULS THAT SHOULD NOT DIE AND TO SAVE THE SOULS ALIVE THAT SHOULD NOT LIVE BY YOUR LYING TO MY PEOPLE THAT HEAR YOUR LIES>
@mamasboy815 Do something that Arnold Murray followers don't do... READ. I said verses 24-25 don't exist even though he constantly quotes them. Ezekiel 13 only goes to verse 23. READ READ READ before speaking.
@mamasboy815 I never said Ezekiel 13 didn't exist. I said verses 24-25 didn't exist like AM claims. Feel free to post Ezekiel 13:24-25... LOL... That's what I was telling you to read, not Ezekiel 13:19... you came up with that on your own. Like I said, AM followers don't actually read and it seems they don't comprehend since you had to lie to make your point.
@ministerfortson OK brother go to wikipedia on the book of EZEKIEL and REVELATION you will not see Arnold Murrays name anywhere in the research of many.But you will see where more SCHOLARS have the same interpitation as him. Your interpitation is so argued about among yourselves and is even made popular by a fictional book. LEFT BEHIND. now go to your pulpit and tell them what this research GIANT SAYS and DR.MURRAY HAD absolutly no part in it.If you believe it so heavy do heavy research 28?
@mamasboy815 OH YEAH I LOOKED AT MURRAYS QUOTE AND AGAIN YOU BLEW IT.HE REFERS TO THE BOOK OF EZEKIAL 13 Through 25 in his writeing, This man does this 6 days a week every week verse by verse chapter by chapter. how do you do it? and when you skip around on the vocal recordings you are only lying. The reason you do that I think I know? Your tithes must be shrinking. dont waste my time ime through. Ive been studying the BIBLE longer than youve been alive and then some.
@mamasboy815 LOL. A few people have the same interpretation as him. Going to school just means you are repeating what someone told you to believe. Scholarship has nothing to do with being correct. As we can fully see in society, there are "scholars" that claim there is no God. Left Behind is about the pre-tribulation rapture. Unfortunately, you and AM are both ignorant to the fact that there are 4 views on the rapture and the other 3 are nothing like the pre-trib rapture.
@RussCo7 exactly, but his followers don't actually check behind him. He also never talks about the phrase "caught up" but dances around it by talking about air and clouds.
I wonder when man needed to add a word to THE WORD OF GOD?His explanation is in line with how the BIBLE reads.The fear of whats comeing to pass is the only reason rapture was added.When he comes as CHRIST you will indeed be called up friend.Who will you join?Christ Who Is Risen And Lives,Or the one who says he is Christ?My Savior Was Not Cast Out Was YOURS?
@mamasboy815 Actually, that's another lie. We know Christ comes in the AIR as the Bible says. Christ will remove us Himself. There is no need for us to choose to follow anyone. That's where the AM lie comes in. He purposely deceives you about what Rapture believers actually believe. We aren't looking for a man that comes on the ground. We fully understand that's the AC. Maybe you should do some research since AM teaches a pre-wrath rapture but doesn't know it or admit it.
@ministerfortson Preacher Iknow your feelings are real.Dont think I am going against you. I have done my research and my faith is solid as a rock.My research has more than just A.M. as a referance.Where my FRIEND do you believe The( fallen) one will come from?He is cast down not out as many say.The RAPTURE DOCTRINE ONLY CAME INTO EXISTANCE somtime in the 1950's not realy sure the exact date because so many preachers joined the band wagon.It's remarkable to me you give satan so little credit.
@mamasboy815 He will come as CHRIST and many will be decieved.Only after his comeing will we see with our eyes JESUS.HE HAS ALLREADY CAME AND WAS CRUCIFIED,AND( AROSE) FROM THE GRAVE. He my friend without a shadow of a doubt walks with me and you everyday.AND THEY CALL HIM EMANUEL( GOD WITH US.)If your waiting on his comeing preacher your to late cause he is allready here!What will you do when the SERPENT comes?
@mamasboy815 And one more thing LOL.As you know there are people all over the Internet proclaiming our president the Anti Christ and some people believe it.Obama has secret service protecting his every move.Doesent Arnold Murray have the right to protect himself by whatever means? He Is you Know A old Marine and the first thing there taught is when to shoot and when not to shoot.I dont wake up every morning with the fear of someone trying to attack me for my beliefs.Do you?
@mamasboy815 AM says the rapture came around in 1830. You say 1950s. Both of you need to do your research since the Vulgate was written in 382 A.D. The ENGLISH word "rapture" comes from the Latin word "rapimeur" which means the exact same thing. The concept of the Rapture is also in the Greek word "harpazo" which means the exact same thing as rapimeur and rapture. So people that say its not there are only listening to what other people say and not actually researching themselves.
@ministerfortson You still havent heard what I said.The DOCTRINE.Not the theory.And it's My Belief.If you understand my way of thinking the sin is in our Jugement of others.ARNOLD MURRAY HAS NOT PUT A CONTRACT ON YOUR HEAD BECAUSE OF YOUR BELIEF.THEN USE A CRAZY ADD OF HIM PROTECTING HISSELF IN HIS OWN OFFICE.He Simpley wont do it.Dont you hear what he say's everyday? Teach your theology by name,and against other theology by name.Dont name the theologist it just isnt proper.
@ministerfortson YOU FRIEND ARE NOT CHRISTIAN BY NO MEANS.May GOD have mercy on you brother cause you have no understanding of the word liar.I Did Not Come To Save The Righteous But The Sinner. Mean Any Thing To You?
@mamasboy815 Say whatever you want, but he is a blasphemous false teacher. I believe Christ is the savior and Son of God. He died, resurrected and ascended to heaven. I'm a Christian... but maybe you're going by a false Arnold Murray definition of what a Christian is? Study to show theyself approves... does Acts 17:11 mean anything to you?
@ministerfortson MAN WHAT DONT YOU GET?we are spending all this time tearing each other apart trying not to spread the word of GOD,but trying to force our beliefs or better said theological beliefs on people who maybe think different.JESUS IS THE WAY AND THE LIGHT. Do you agree?If you do then friend were on the same page. we are going to both be judged by him no matter if we like it or not,right?I believe the best thing to preach is the only way is through CHRISTnot THROUGH MAN.Do you agree?
@mamasboy815 What don't you get? You are wasting time. I posted a video of a liar on my page. You chose to respond. You didn't have to. I don't care if you don't believe what I believe. I just wanted to point out that the liar on video is a liar. This entire responding to you takes less than 1 minute on my end, so I'm not really wasting that much time. Maybe this consumes vast parts of your day, but not mine.
@ministerfortson After my visit of your site I see now where your ignorence comes from.Keep searching all areas of scripture son not just the end.It all started in the beginning.Open your eyes to see.God bless you.Oh and I should add son to look at the definition of lie in the Webster dictionary.It means the same thing in the BIBLE.
@mamasboy815 Interesting. You claim you searched my site, but yet you think I started from the end? My site has articles ranging from Genesis to Revelation. Looks like somebody is lying. I see you're taking after Arnold Murray just like most of his students. LOL
@shepherdschapelDOTco I've been convinced because I read my BIBLE for myself. He's a false teacher. Google: "arnold murray false teacher" and you can find a list of all of his false teachings. Thousands of websites. LOL. I guess thousands of people are mistaken about his false teachings right? LOL
@shepherdschapelDOTco Yep, I agree. Its funny that people actually follow his nonsense when THOUSANDS of people that use to follow him are calling him a false teacher. Thank God they saw the truth.
@ministerfortson Some people just don't believe in precautionary measures. But I'm i'm sure theres a reason for everything God does. Get ready to recieve the goal you're working towards...you know, what the majority believes. Good times...good times....salam melecham
@shepherdschapelDOTco My goal is to inform and help people avoid teachings that don't actually appear in the Bible, such as those put out by this guy. It's not about majority its about verifying everything that is said using scripture. Adam IS Cain's father. Ezekiel 13 does not contain verse 24-25 as he quotes. The word "rapture" comes from the Vulgata Sacre (Latin Vulgate) so it does appear in the Bible. We did not fight Satan in the first earth age. All LIES for itching ears.
as far as the rapture is concerned, if the two witnesses are ready to stand up to the antichrist against all odds - as christ was , and all the martyrs; i'd rather stand there with them than run away to save myself - looking for an easy way out. i think history (and bible history) is showing what character is being looked for.
@suedonym0 That's where AM followers have it wrong. The Harpazo is a forceful snatching away. It has nothing to do with running away. Christ chooses to remove us from the wrath to come. Do your research. AM says we will be gathered together at the end. Pre-Wrath Rapturists teach that view point. He doesn't even admit that he teaches a pre-wrath rapture view.
@ministerfortson it amounts to following a false prophet. daniel and esther have scriptures where a king can't change law once he's made it. this is to tell us that he can't change the laws of physics he created (the miracles are usage of higher technology and dimensions to accomplish what seem impossible to the people then. thhe place of safety is like that indoors with lamb's blood on the lentils, or across the red sea. (nothing to do with shepherd's chapel)
@suedonym0 Those scriptures are directly related to the actual laws of the Medes and Persians. The Babylonians and the Romans could change their law. It has nothing to do with changing the laws of physics, etc. Brush upon your history.
@shepherdschapelDOTco Not getting riled up. He's a false teacher. Plain and simple. I'm just pointing out the lack of truth in his studies. Google: "arnold murray false teacher" and see how many other people have noticed it as well.
I can't quote scripture off the top of my head, either, and am amazed by some people's memories. But, having misquoted ezekiel 13:18 once, he should have gone back to check and not repeated the same mistake at a later date.
@hamongog2015 You say, " The rapture is a bogus tradition that came from Margret Macdonald in Scotland in 1830" And yet, you say nothing more. Anybody who does not want to believe the 'rapture' for whatever reason, can find that statement, cut/paste, and think they've closed the argument. I say, put your money where your mouth is. PROVE 'Margret Macdonald in Scotland in 1830' made up the rapture.' Put your money where your mouth is and PROVE THIS claim. It's 'you're claim,' now back it up!
@hamongog2015 LOL. And what in the world is there to be 'jealous' of when it comes to this 'mean, nasty old man?' I even tried to 'invent something in my head to be jealous about,' I couldn't think of anything. LMAO!
You have to remember that 1 Thessalonians was written by Paul. Did not Christ say, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."?
@instantproducts I'm saying that none of the NT was written by Jesus. You are the one that pointed out that 1 Thess was written by Paul. So what? Make your point or why bother speaking about it?
@instantproducts by the way, AM quotes Paul very often so if you are a follower of his, maybe you should contact him and let him know what you think about him quoting Paul.
Regarding yer "pre trib" rapture theory , u need to consult the translations in the Strongs exhaustive concordance ... pre Trib rapture wasn't popular untill the 1800's its only because certain "scholars" n preachers misread the scripture , u need to look at the greek and hebrew meanings of the words .. not to mention u need to be able to count Jesus comes on the 7th <-- Trump NOT THE 6th ..follow the anti christ if u want on the 6th lol , maybe he will "rapture" u before the trib lol
he is a false teacher in the greatest of ways
drandyMCD 3 days ago
to all his sheep... write him and ask where he got his PHD, he calls himself Dr... I bet this "good man" will not tell you. Also Murray's 1958 minister's license was signed by the late white supremacists Roy Gillaspie and Kenneth Gof... can you say KKK...
twistedfocus100 1 month ago
Sick
tarzanda7 4 months ago
If I understand correctly, Murray does not teach a physical (glorified body)resurrection Can anyone tell me if he also teaches that Jesus was not raised Physically? A spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have. Lk.24:39
roxie5561 4 months ago
Murray is an idiot heretic -- I've already been in his cult and have long since abandoned it. If you're affiliated with his teachings do some serious study and get yourself free - pray for God's forgiveness for following after this man.
bondagebreaker7 5 months ago
@JDrosa1982 Please do some research on Babylon and stop embarrassing yourself in front of people that actually know what they are talking about. Murray's explanation of the Rapture is an outright lie plain and simple. It has nothing to do with flying away. The Rapture teaches that Christ will gather believers together when HE is ready and at no other time. Only Christ can gather us according to his time and that is what the Rapture is about. Stop listening to his lies.
ministerfortson 5 months ago
@ministerfortson your going to have to document that the rapture is true in the bible. if the rapture is true then you have to show where it is spoken of more then once. the bible is a big book . and no where dose rapture aline with the plan Christ and God put forth. you need to document that. you need to document it and back it up where it alines with what Christ said. with more then one scripture.
JDrosa1982 5 months ago
@JDrosa1982 Already done. Feel free to check my videos. There is a 1.5 hour study on the Rapture that I did just for people being deceived by Arnold Murray. You're going to have to document more than one place where it says God is against the Rapture and Ezekiel 13 isn't it. Neither you nor AM has done any research on what it's actually about. Do some research on catching souls and you will see that many cultures practiced it.
ministerfortson 5 months ago
@aslund76 His words are exactly as he said them. I just put the clips together. If you don't like what Murray is saying, write him about it. Don't get mad because your false teacher has been proven to be a liar... Google "Arnold Murray False Teacher" and see how many results you get. He is a cult leader and his followers are the only people too blind to see it. You don't even know what the Rapture is about, especially if all you know is what your false teacher says.
ministerfortson 5 months ago
@aslund76 Only if you don't actually check behind him. Furthermore, someone saying "blasphemy" is not a threat. Murray is a false teacher, deal with it.
ministerfortson 5 months ago
@GodsTruthSeeker Typical Murray student fashion... don't do any research of your own just make assumptions. Murray being a false teacher has nothing to do with the Rapture. In fact only his deceived students bring it up as if it is the only subject everyone else believes. By the way there is not one belief in the Rapture. I used the Strong's in the video to show that the words Rapture and Harpazo mean the exact same thing. The word Rapture is English. Harpazo is Greek. Don't be an idiot. Read.
ministerfortson 5 months ago
@GodsTruthSeeker Don't be mad because he got caught in his lies and false teaching. Just accept it and start reading for yourself. however thinks this guy is even remotely telling the truth has never actually opened a Bible.
ministerfortson 5 months ago
@tvhjr44 It makes perfect sense. People go places and return all the time. The entire point of the entire event is to get the attention of mankind. Maybe you haven't noticed but everything get progressively worse as it goes on. Read Isaiah 26. Jesus also said "I got to prepare a place for you and if I go I'll come again to RECEIVE YOU TO MYSELF that where I am ye may be also." Why would He say that if he's just going to come to us?
ministerfortson 6 months ago
@GypsyCOOKINGbayAREA Therein lies your first problem. The Rapture has nothing to do with flying away. Arnold Murray has twisted the meaning so he can make his point. Learn something about what people actually believe before taking that false teacher's word for it.
ministerfortson 6 months ago
The bible also states not to take from the word or add to the word
GypsyCOOKINGbayAREA 6 months ago
I do not know which bible you read out of but the kjv does state not to teach my children to fly
GypsyCOOKINGbayAREA 6 months ago
Ezekiel 13:19-21
GypsyCOOKINGbayAREA 6 months ago
If he's teaching something false, the Holy Spirit will point it out. That is if you know the Bible. He will also someday stand before God and give an account.
enigma413 7 months ago
@enigma413 Exactly, but as I've learned, most of his followers don't actually read the Bible. They just accept what he tells them because the verse is on the screen. He then adds some strange interpretation to what he's reading and they swallow it hook, line, and sinker. He mixes lies with truth in order to deceive people just like Satan did in the garden and attempted to do with Jesus. This man is truly one of Satan's servants.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
Just because he's a horrible teacher doesn't automatically mean he isn't saved. The bible is full of imperfect people who follow God and make mistakes. David anyone? "A heart after God's own heart", yet he lusted, had a man killed, took his wife... Will David be in Hell? How about Abraham? Passed his wife off as his sister. On and on and on. All I'm saying, is, you don't have to give the guy a break as a teacher, I agree he's bad, but what about as a human being and a brother?
jimhoffman2009 7 months ago
@jimhoffman2009 Send him a question about salvation. He teaches that we made our decision in the first earth age (a Christianized version of reincarnation). All I know is that he is deceiving people by using the Bible to push twisted and racist doctrine, which says something about him as a person. He talks about Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but doesn't believe in the Trinity. Feel free to write him and see if he gives a straight answer.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
Ok, here's a question for you: Who are the kenites today? Give me an example of a name or organization. And what is the multi-headed beast system? Just a quick short answer so I can see where you are coming from.
subaraptor 7 months ago
@subaraptor Read the book of Daniel. He tells us plainly that the Best is not a system. I get my interpretation directly from the Bible, not Murray. There are no Kenites today as Murray interprets it. More Murray lies. Nobody from Cain's line survived the flood. The Bible is clear. The actual Kenites is a tribe that Moses' father in law was from. Murray teaches Serpent Seed and British Israelism, which are both racist doctrines that existed long before him. Google "Roy Gillaspie" Murray's mentor
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@subaraptor He actually says the mark of the beast is something in your mind, which is a lie. Check the Greek word for mark. It refers to a physical stamp. 2nd the Tribulation is longer than 5 months. He gets that nonsense from Revelation 9, which is only about ONE plague (5th trump) which lasts 5 months. If you actually read 6th trump, it lasts for 1 year, 1 month, and 1 day. Do some reading and stop listening to this false teacher. He's confused and hopes you won't check.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
Why do you care so much about Murray? He obviously does not care about you, and wishes you no ill will, as I have never heard him mention you. You seem to spend a great deal of time studying Murray and his teachings. Where are your great works? I think everybody realizes that Murray is just a flesh man, like the rest of us, and we all can accept that he parapharases scripture from time to time and even fumbles his speach once in a while. Maybe you are perfect?
subaraptor 7 months ago
@subaraptor Because he is deceiving people. He teaches outright lies that contradict the Bible. He is a cult leader plain and simple. The Bible tells us to use scripture for correction and if people check their Bible, they will find him to be a liar as well. David Koresh and Jim Jones used the Bible too and look what happened. Catholics use the Bible and they pray to saints and Mary, which is not Biblical. He tells people that accepting the mark of the beast is OK. He's Satan's servant.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
SOOO..did he loose his Salvation by doing this act? lol, offcourse not he was never a true Christian to begin with
xhemexx 7 months ago
@xhemexx I agree.. AM was probably never a true Christian. The nonsense he teaches doesn't even remotely resemble what's actually in the Bible.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
he talks more about cain then jesus
tolow16 7 months ago
I bet ya'll teach the same way you made this video,adding and taking away to make it say what you want people to hear
tvhjr44 7 months ago
@tvhjr44 Nope, nobody I know teaches like Murray. He's false and full of lies. Just check out his paraphrase of Ezekiel 13. He omits most of the information, twists it, and falsely claims it has to do with the Rapture and it doesn't. Can't believe there are people dumb enough to listen to this guy.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@ministerfortson I watched Murray for quite some time, waiting for him to explain how one must be saved.....never heard it one time! I also never heard any emphasis put on Jesus and the cross.
raeleneprothero 7 months ago
@raeleneprothero I have watched Murray for quite some time, and have heard him explain many times how one must be saved. You can be saved from temptation to worship the false christ by knowing the truth which is the Word of God, and not some tradition of man that was invented by a mentally ill Irish woman back in 1830.
subaraptor 7 months ago
You said it, the rapture word is in the dictionaries not in the Bible.
RSF1972 7 months ago
@RSF1972 What difference does the word make? We are talking about the concept. Show me "demons" in the Bible. The word is "devils" but we still say demon. Show me "second coming" in the Bible. Not there but we still say it. The concept of the "rapture" is there. So I'll say Harpazo. It means the exact same thing. And yes Harpazo is in the LXX. I'll call it the Rapimeur. Means the exact same thing. That's in the Vulgate. We can call it the Lachach. That's Hebrew and means the same. Take your pick
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@MrGhostblood Actually, that's a lie. I just took clips of his statements and compiled them. He said, "who do you think you were before you entered your mother's womb?" That was in reference to a question about angels. He believes we lived in a previous earth age and were reincarnated into this one. He doesn't say the word, but the concept is exactly what reincarnation teaches. He teaches we will fight satan as Michael's angels. Book, chapter, and verse please... There are none, he's lying.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@MrGhostblood No, people don't like him because he teaches falsely. His attitude is just icing on the cake. There you go quoting Murray again and not using the Strong's. Air in Greek is (aer) and spirit is (pneuma). 1 Thess uses aer. Furthermore the word clouds is (nephele) and his interpretation of "great cloud of witnesses" is nephos. 1 Thess uses nephele. You'd know that if you checked behind him like he suggests. He lies on all accounts about 1 Thess. 4:17. He makes it up to fit his belief.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@MrGhostblood There you go lying... if you've studied it for a while, are you talking about pre-trib, mid trib, post trib, or pre-wrath Rapture? If you say all of them, you'll show yourself to be a liar because one of them teaches that Antichrist comes first and Christ comes once at the end to gather us all. AM didn't tell you that did he? LOL. So which rapture belief are you referring to? I don't really expect you to answer since you just lied about studying it for a while.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@MrGhostblood Stop making excuses for the false teacher. He hasn't been in the military for decades. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is clear that we will be Harpazo (physically snatched by force). Feel free to pick up a Strong's and stop being brainwashed. Murray is a false teacher and 90% of the stuff that comes from his mouth is a lie about scripture or a lie about what other people believe. He mixes in just a little truth because that's exactly how Satan works.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@Oneofthekings86 Actually, you are now blocked here on YouTube as well and reported for SPAM. I'll pray that your eyes are opened to Murray's false teaching. It says a lot when I ask you for book chapter and verse to back up Murray's teachings, you send 10+ emails and none of them contain any, Thanks for proving that he's a false teacher that doesn't use the Bible.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@TheFarleyGordon Murray is a liar and if you are following him you are being lied to. Check for yourself. I just posted a new video with more of his lies.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@zumadale Only real believers will be delivered up. Worshipers of Murray don't have anything to worry about. You'll be OK.
ministerfortson 7 months ago 2
@zumadale Maybe you should listen to my rapture study so you can sound intelligent about what rapture believers actually believe instead of holding on to the lies that AM teaches about what we believe. Yes, they are lies because what he teaches about the rapture and what we believe is absolutely false.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@zumadale Enoch, Elijah, and Lot's family... There are three examples for you.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@ministerfortson I missed the part where they flew up in the sky leaving their clothes on Earth. Must be that darn NIV version! :P
zumadale 7 months ago
@zumadale You're right, he's a blaspheming, false teaching, liar.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@zumadale Then you have been lied to for a very long time. The Rapture has nothing to do with the being that sets foot on Earth. In fact, the rapture teaches that we will be taken into the literal air.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@zumadale I just posted a study on what the rapture ACTUALLY teaches and it's nothing like the lie that AM is spreading. He's a false teacher and his rapture teachings are proof that he is lying about what people really believe. People that believe the Rapture actually study a lot. 3 of the Rapture doctrines teach that the Antichrist comes first, but AM doesn't tell you that because he's a liar.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@zumadale LOL more AM lies and he doesn't even know what the Rapture is about. Anybody that believes in the Rapture can listen to him and immediately spot the lie he's telling. The Rapture he is talking about is pre-trib and it's not the only teaching, which shows his ignorance. 2, the Rapture doesn't teach that anyone is going to set foot on earth. It teaches the Christ will snatch believers into the sky. AM is a liar and you have been deceived by his lies about what the rapture teaches.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@zumadale He only uses a Strong's when it's convenient for him. Other times he outright lies about it. The new video I posted gives the Strong's Numbers to each verse he is talking about and he lies about which words are used so he can make it fit his false doctrine. He lies plain as day and his followers are either too blind or too stupid to check for themselves when he is caught red handed in a lie. By the way, nobody is using the NIV, but AM misquotes it and gets caught lying.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
You need a Strong's to go with the KJV ... moron! :P
zumadale 7 months ago
@zumadale Everyone knows that. You must be an AM student that thinks AM has the final word on everything. He's a false teacher. Google it.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
Perfect example of Christ! Remember when Jesus took a (cat of nine tails) to the money changers? Don't be too sweet for Jesus!
zumadale 7 months ago
@zumadale Remember, Jesus didn't threaten to shoot people for calling Him a blasphemer. AM is full of pride, that's the only reason he had to get a gun. He's a liar, a false prophet, and a false teacher. His false prophecy is well known among people that actually study.
ministerfortson 7 months ago
@ministerfortson you are a retard idiot aronold murray has already proven he speaks the truth
cindyluver2 8 months ago
@cindyluver2 Here is a perfect example of the kinds of "Christians" that follow Murray. Nothing like Christ at all. LOL... The Bible proves he speaks lies. Quote Ezekiel 13 word for word, then listen to what he claims it says. He's a liar and a false teacher.
ministerfortson 8 months ago
this guy is a false teacher he dose not believe in the trinity
spudcool 8 months ago
@bigbvs22 Another uninformed AM follower that doesn't even know what he's talking about. There are FOUR rapture teachings. Only ONE teaches that Christ comes first. The other three teach that Satan comes first. Learn something before speaking. People like you make Arnold Murray look like a liar, especially among those that know the truth about him. He's not telling you everything. Ask him how many Rapture teachings there are and then ask why he only talks about 1 and not all 4.
ministerfortson 8 months ago
@bigbvs22 More AM brainwashing... which Rapture theology are you referring to? There are 4 and only 1 teaches that Christ comes first. Learn something before you repeat what AM tells you. He's a liar.
ministerfortson 9 months ago
2 Thess. 2:9-12
9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
deereater50 10 months ago
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deereater50 10 months ago
@YesImOneOFMany the mormons for one.
ritmotraveler 11 months ago
@YesImOneOFMany LOL. You quoted false Jonathan to prove your point. Yet, neither you nor Murray quote the Bible to prove it. What you managed to quote was the complete opposite of what the REAL word of God says. Meaning your faith is in the Targum and not in the word of God. Furthermore, still waiting on a BIBLICAL explanation of how Cain's line survived the flood, but I don't see any of you non-Bible believing Murray worshipers providing any scripture. You never do.
ministerfortson 11 months ago
@YesImOneOFMany Read Genesis 4. He's in the Genealogy of Adam. Enoch was the 7th on Seth's side. There is no reason for Cain to appear in Seth's genealogy. The Bible ALWAYS has a genealogy for the children. Shem and Ham don't appear in Japheth's genealogy and vice versa. It wouldn't make any sense to at all, especially when Cain's lineage, starting with Adam is already in Genesis 4.
ministerfortson 11 months ago
Where in the bible does it talk about soul trapping, and was it really practiced in ancient times.
ritmotraveler 11 months ago
@ritmotraveler Ezekiel 13 is about the practice of soul trapping. AM's interpretation of it completely ignores history, common sense, and the actual words on the page.
ministerfortson 11 months ago
@YesImOneOFMany I find it real easy in Genesis 4. Only an ignorant person would deny that Genesis 4 starts by saying Adam is Cain's father. Furthermore, when the Bible gives the genealogy of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, you don't see them in each other's genealogy. Chapter 5 is Seth's genealogy. There is one genealogy for each person. If you pick up your Bible and actually read Genesis 4, Cain's genealogy is there, starting ADAM.
ministerfortson 11 months ago
@StuShoal87 Read Revelation 2-3 and you'll see that God does have a problem with not speaking up against false teachers and false doctrine. So I'm speaking up against Murray and his false teachings. Google "Arnold Murray False Teacher" and there are thousands of others speaking against him as well.
ministerfortson 11 months ago
@StuShoal87 Ezekiel 13 has nothing to do with the rapture. Maybe you need to brush up on your history and ignore Murray for a while. Its about the ancient practice of soul trapping.
ministerfortson 11 months ago
@StuShoal87 Pulling a gun on someone because they call you a blasphemer is not defending family, its defending pride.
ministerfortson 11 months ago
What Arnold means by this in this verse is that in the bible it says we alive in christ and to the dead it is the dead in christ
chrisandstaci 1 year ago
@chrisandstaci I can't by what he supposedly means, which you don't know unless he told you. I can only go by what he says and does, just as he mentioned in the video.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
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ballistix01 1 year ago
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ballistix01 1 year ago
4tson STILL has yet to address Matt 24, Lu 21, & 2 Thess 2, BECAUSE FALSE PROPHETS IGNORE THESE CHAPTERS WHILE HARPING ON FLASE INTERPRETATIONS OF OTHER SCRIPTURES. Ur a damnedable liar 4tson! U & I BOTH KNOW U R. A REAL PASTOR/MINISTER WOULD NEVER SPEND THIS MUCH TIME MALIGNING ANOTHER, BUT I'M STILL EXPOSING HIS BS.
ballistix01 1 year ago
@ballistix01 Feel free to read my website. I've addressed them all in detail and more than 500 characters on a YouTube post.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ballistix01 By the way, read Revelation 2 and 3. Churches were condemned for NOT speaking the truth about false teachers. So yes, I'll continue to post videos every time I catch a lie coming out of his mouth, which is almost every day on his show. I can't keep up lol.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
Just because you don't understand him doesn't mean he is a false teacher. The fault is your own that you have not studied enough independently to know that what he says is deeper than what you have experienced....
somekindonut 1 year ago
@somekindonut Let me correct you. I study all day every day and understand that he is 100% false in 99% of what he says. Serpent Seed is lie. I wrote a book on it, feel free to search it on Amazon. I could go on and on, but he's a liar, plain and simple.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@chucklesxxo1 Actually he's not one of the most truthful. He mixes in a little truth with a little bit that isn't even in the Bible. Consult the Strong's and you'll see that Eve never had sex with the serpent, Adam was Cain's father, people didn't fight in Lucifer's rebellion, etc... he teaches so much false stuff that I could post on it all day.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson Like I said, I don't agree on everything that he says but he is 90% right most of the time because he is reading straight from the Bible. Some of his interpretations may be wrong but so what.if that is what he really believes....People have their own interpretation and opinions, . .At least he is not begging for money every 10 minutes.
chucklesxxo1 1 year ago
@ballistix01 Actually I didn't twist or change anything. The video is all him speaking. By the way, you need to watch it again. I posted KJV when he quoted from it. I then posted NIV when he quoted from it. I posted both versions and he misquoted them both in exchange for his own words.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
Ive alredy told you what your lies were,but then thats how a reprobate dbl-minded individual's mind works.U should join the group "The Spinners,"4 that seems to apparently be what your best at. Ignoring where i called out your lies. Thats hilarious, MINISTER whatever. Who croaked & made YOU a minister? Monster's more like it. LOL.
ballistix01 1 year ago
Google "twins w/ different fathers"& read up there,genius.We're all waiting.I can quote several Scriptures that st8 satan=cains direct,literal,actual father;even Christ said this in the NT,but i challenge YOU 2 tell me where it is.Dont know?Well,then u'd better stop tellg ppl what U think the Word says;as He st8d,many'll come in My Name (falsely).I dont care if u do in ignor.,but stop b'g a h8r against AM & pretendg 2 b & KnowItAll.Eve didnt know she had twins fr 2 diff fathers;was her 1st birth
ballistix01 1 year ago
@4tson:Gen 4:1 doesNOT say Adam=Cains father.Do u know anythg about the Hebr manuscripts?The answer is obv NO."& Adam knew Eve his wife;& she conceivd& bare Cain,& said,Ive gotten a man fr the LORD.& she again bare his brother Abel"=Adam "knew" Eve,so she bore Cain&Abel,but doesnt say "Adam=his father."Read it again.It simply st8s Adam knew Eve,then st8s the names of the twins she bore,but DOES NOT st8"Cain=Adams son!"Eve was innocent & didnt understand she'd bore twins fr 2 DIFF FATHERS
ballistix01 1 year ago
@ballistix01 Saying someone is the literal child of the devil is bearing false witness if they aren't. So prove it or feel free to repent for bearing false witness. LOL.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
Its OK monster fartson,LOL,Ive entreated the Father about you,& it is He who will see to your correction.Look for it.4 u r d 1 twisting & lying,which AM would also say 2 u.What is your fixation wi/ lying about AM AWA the Bible/Word itself?If ur SO knowlegable,tell us about the end times view.U seem 2 b a legend in ur own mind!But then,maybe YOUR god's on a "potty break."LOL! You dont even KNOW what AM teaches which makes you both callous,unlearned,& an idiot.So TELL us,o gr8 1!
ballistix01 1 year ago
@ballistix01 Feel free to read my website. It has all of what I believe and EVERYTHING is backed by scripture. I don't do the AM style false teaching of mixing Targums with the Bible. Unfortunately none of his students are intelligent enough to take a look and see that he is lying. Can you name 1 lie I told about AM? He's speaking for himself in the videos. I'm only asking questions and posting scripture. He's not above being questioned. Stop worshiping him. He's not God.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ballistix01 The Bible never says any of them were Kenites. He made that up or feel free to give me book, chapter, and verse. Genesis 4:1 says Adam was Cain's father. It never once says Satan. He's a liar. Read: Serpent Seed: Debunked. Anyone teaching Serpent Seed is a liar. The follow the teaching of the Targums, not the Bible. GENESIS 4:1 is the FINAL WORD. Watch video 6 it shows him lying and the Bible verses to prove it. No paraphrases like he does. Just word for word proving him a liar.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
AM doesnt teach anyone to bear false wit; YOU said that. Satan's Spin Doctor, eh?
ballistix01 1 year ago
@ballistix01 By the way, didn't you say you were done? Is that more of that AM false teaching coming to the surface? LOL. By the way, I believe the AC comes first... that has nothing to do with the rapture. You make yourself sound ignorant when you say that. The Rapture has 4 views, but AM students would rather let him tell them what to believe than research. Learn the 4 views on the rapture b4 talking about it. 3 Teach AC comes first. Only 1 teaches that Christ comes 1st. Learn something.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ballistix01 He constantly "mispeaks" on Ezekiel having 25 verse. Either he doesn't read his Bible or his students don't check. Watch the rest of the videos. Someone even writes in and points it out. He changes the subject to the NIV. I've watched AM for 3 years. The more I watch, the more false stuff I hear. What does Ezekiel 13 say word for word? No compare that to what AM claims it says and its not the same at all. Research Ezekiel's time and AM's teachings are clearly false. He's a liar.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ballistix01 That has nothing to do with the Rapture. LOLOLOL. You should learn about the practices of pagans in Ezekiel's time. It was about capturing souls. He did teach about the rapture. You can't teach anyone to be Raptured. Wow he really has you people brainwashed. Its sad and pathetic. Google, "arnold murray false teacher" and see what comes up.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
Done w/ you, o minister of SATAN, for you are both a liar & heretic, & its obvious youre NO real "pastor." Youre obviously in line of one of those FALSE SUPER PREACHERS. Throw that "pastors certific8" (if you have one) in the round file. We might be seeing you on the other side if youre not careful. [NOT judging; for thats Fathers business. Just simply discerning your pernicious ways. of wolf in sheeps. Can you really tell us you believe the lies you speak?
ballistix01 1 year ago
@ballistix01 LOL. Keep following a false teacher if you want. He is a liar and the fact that he misquotes both NIV and KJV proves it.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
2 thess chapter 2 say that we can not gather on to Jesus until satan comes first, and that ends the story for the rapture
DannyTags444 1 year ago
@DannyTags444 Actually that doesn't end it. Typical Arnold Murray students know nothing about the Rapture so why do you even bother debating it? ONLY pre-trib rapture teaches that it will happen before the AC comes. Mid Trib, Post Trib, and Pre-Wrath rapture all teach that it happens after the AC comes... maybe you should learn what you're talking about before talking about it. I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson Negative before positive. Nothing before everything. Pretty simple
shepherdschapelDOTco 1 year ago
@shepherdschapelDOTco What's your point? We already know that. It is you that doesn't know what you are talking about when referencing the Rapture. Just like I say to all uninformed AM students, do some research, then talk about the Rapture. AM is a liar and doesn't teach the truth about the rapture. Plain and simple. If he did, you'd find a different argument.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson God keeps things simple. Man complicates things. Thats my point. Thanks for being a good example. Maybe God will bless you for it
shepherdschapelDOTco 1 year ago
@ministerfortson well it sounds to me like you believe the samw way Arnold Murray teaches it, so maybe you should see what people are saying before you pick sides, or start bad mouthing people, its not cool to call some a false teacher for teaching God word, so dont be so narrow minded and maybe listen for your self some time and dont jut go with what everyone else says
DannyTags444 1 year ago
@DannyTags444 I definitely don't believe what he teaches. I've listened to him for a long time. The more I listen, the more false teachings I hear. He teaches a pre-wrath rapture (catching up). I don't believe that. I don't believe Satan is Cain's father, and I definitely don't follow his racist Kenite teachings. Ex members of his cult all point out that he's a false teacher. What's funny is all of you get mad and all I did was post his own words. He's false and not teaching God's word.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@m.fortson:U say 1 thing then another,which makes any true Bible student very wary.On 1 hand, u say u dont believe pre-t; well AM doesnt either. Bible speaks of 2 tribs; 1st by false christ @ "6,6,6" [6th Seal,Trump,Vial]; then Gods trib/wrath against His & His true childrens enemies when Christ returns @ 777 or 7th/Last S,T,V].Sorry, but then u go on, speakg against AM which shows ur either ignorant,double-minded as Scripture says,deliber8,or havent listened 2 AM much at all.Now which is it?
ballistix01 1 year ago
@ballistix01 Following AM clearly has you ignorant of scripture. 6 seal, 6 trumpet, 6 bowl all occur at different times. All of the seals must be broken before the trumpets blow. All of the trumpets must be blown before the vials are poured out. You should learn about the Rapture before speaking. I believe in the Rapture, just not the pre-trib rapture. There are 4 different rapture teachings. If you weren't ignorant you'd know all of the rapture views and not just his teaching on it.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson:excuse me,u r d 1 who's apparently ignorant (your words of division not mine], 4 i never st8d 666 occurred @ exactly the same time;U said i st8d that.C how u twist?Ur logic is fallacious in normal conversation;how there4 can we expect 2 pay mind 2 anythg u've 2 say about Gods Word?!U deflected there.I am a post-anti-c's trib (666);Bible clearly st8s anti-C comes 1st, then True Christ @ 7th re: Matt 24,Lu 21,2 thess 2,etc.Ez 13:20 KJV has God st8g He h8s fly 2 save souls.
ballistix01 1 year ago
I am not a student of ARNOLD MURRAY I am a student of the teaching of JESUS CHRIST.I also am a teacher of the same message.I do not teach for or against the rapture because it does not exist.When you go outside of HIS word you have made a terrible mistake.MONETAREY GAIN IN THE NAME OF GOD IS THE WORST THING A PERSON CAN DO.
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 Its in there. Study your Bible and your Strongs. Your lack of study shows that you don't know what you're talking about. You claim that going outside of the word is a terrible mistake, yet His word says Accepting the Mark of the Beast and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit are the worst things you can do. So do you go strictly by the Word or not? Your true colors are starting show... LOL
ministerfortson 1 year ago
Harpazo, baby!
notesfromtheapocalyp 1 year ago
Ezekiel 13:18-23 is talking about people who practice witchcraft. It has nothing to do with the rapture. This guy is an idiot!!!
RussCo7 1 year ago
@RussCo7 Very well said. Its about witchcraft not about the Rapture, but once again, his followers don't read for themselves. You'll find that they quote AM more than they quote directly from the Bible. They refuse to quote God's word.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
Ezekiel 13:18 is not referring to the teaching of the rapture. This is ridiculous!!!
RussCo7 1 year ago
@RussCo7 my favorite part is that he always says, "Ezekiel 13:18-25". Verses 24-25 don't exist in any Bible at all. However, his followers never talk about him quoting scriptures that aren't there.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson YOU JUST SAID IT DIDNT EXIST.13:19 AND WILL YE POLUTE ME AMONG MT PEOPLE FOR HANDFULS OF BARLEY FOR PIESES OF BREAD TO SLAY THE SOULS THAT SHOULD NOT DIE AND TO SAVE THE SOULS ALIVE THAT SHOULD NOT LIVE BY YOUR LYING TO MY PEOPLE THAT HEAR YOUR LIES>
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 Do something that Arnold Murray followers don't do... READ. I said verses 24-25 don't exist even though he constantly quotes them. Ezekiel 13 only goes to verse 23. READ READ READ before speaking.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson I JUST READ IT TO YOU FROM THE BIBLE YOU FOOL. I AM THROUGH!
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 I never said Ezekiel 13 didn't exist. I said verses 24-25 didn't exist like AM claims. Feel free to post Ezekiel 13:24-25... LOL... That's what I was telling you to read, not Ezekiel 13:19... you came up with that on your own. Like I said, AM followers don't actually read and it seems they don't comprehend since you had to lie to make your point.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson OK brother go to wikipedia on the book of EZEKIEL and REVELATION you will not see Arnold Murrays name anywhere in the research of many.But you will see where more SCHOLARS have the same interpitation as him. Your interpitation is so argued about among yourselves and is even made popular by a fictional book. LEFT BEHIND. now go to your pulpit and tell them what this research GIANT SAYS and DR.MURRAY HAD absolutly no part in it.If you believe it so heavy do heavy research 28?
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 OH YEAH I LOOKED AT MURRAYS QUOTE AND AGAIN YOU BLEW IT.HE REFERS TO THE BOOK OF EZEKIAL 13 Through 25 in his writeing, This man does this 6 days a week every week verse by verse chapter by chapter. how do you do it? and when you skip around on the vocal recordings you are only lying. The reason you do that I think I know? Your tithes must be shrinking. dont waste my time ime through. Ive been studying the BIBLE longer than youve been alive and then some.
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 LOL. A few people have the same interpretation as him. Going to school just means you are repeating what someone told you to believe. Scholarship has nothing to do with being correct. As we can fully see in society, there are "scholars" that claim there is no God. Left Behind is about the pre-tribulation rapture. Unfortunately, you and AM are both ignorant to the fact that there are 4 views on the rapture and the other 3 are nothing like the pre-trib rapture.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
The concept of the rapture is taught in the Bible. Read 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18!
This guy is so ignorant of Scripture!
RussCo7 1 year ago
@RussCo7 exactly, but his followers don't actually check behind him. He also never talks about the phrase "caught up" but dances around it by talking about air and clouds.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
I wonder when man needed to add a word to THE WORD OF GOD?His explanation is in line with how the BIBLE reads.The fear of whats comeing to pass is the only reason rapture was added.When he comes as CHRIST you will indeed be called up friend.Who will you join?Christ Who Is Risen And Lives,Or the one who says he is Christ?My Savior Was Not Cast Out Was YOURS?
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 Actually, that's another lie. We know Christ comes in the AIR as the Bible says. Christ will remove us Himself. There is no need for us to choose to follow anyone. That's where the AM lie comes in. He purposely deceives you about what Rapture believers actually believe. We aren't looking for a man that comes on the ground. We fully understand that's the AC. Maybe you should do some research since AM teaches a pre-wrath rapture but doesn't know it or admit it.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson Preacher Iknow your feelings are real.Dont think I am going against you. I have done my research and my faith is solid as a rock.My research has more than just A.M. as a referance.Where my FRIEND do you believe The( fallen) one will come from?He is cast down not out as many say.The RAPTURE DOCTRINE ONLY CAME INTO EXISTANCE somtime in the 1950's not realy sure the exact date because so many preachers joined the band wagon.It's remarkable to me you give satan so little credit.
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 He will come as CHRIST and many will be decieved.Only after his comeing will we see with our eyes JESUS.HE HAS ALLREADY CAME AND WAS CRUCIFIED,AND( AROSE) FROM THE GRAVE. He my friend without a shadow of a doubt walks with me and you everyday.AND THEY CALL HIM EMANUEL( GOD WITH US.)If your waiting on his comeing preacher your to late cause he is allready here!What will you do when the SERPENT comes?
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 And one more thing LOL.As you know there are people all over the Internet proclaiming our president the Anti Christ and some people believe it.Obama has secret service protecting his every move.Doesent Arnold Murray have the right to protect himself by whatever means? He Is you Know A old Marine and the first thing there taught is when to shoot and when not to shoot.I dont wake up every morning with the fear of someone trying to attack me for my beliefs.Do you?
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 AM says the rapture came around in 1830. You say 1950s. Both of you need to do your research since the Vulgate was written in 382 A.D. The ENGLISH word "rapture" comes from the Latin word "rapimeur" which means the exact same thing. The concept of the Rapture is also in the Greek word "harpazo" which means the exact same thing as rapimeur and rapture. So people that say its not there are only listening to what other people say and not actually researching themselves.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson You still havent heard what I said.The DOCTRINE.Not the theory.And it's My Belief.If you understand my way of thinking the sin is in our Jugement of others.ARNOLD MURRAY HAS NOT PUT A CONTRACT ON YOUR HEAD BECAUSE OF YOUR BELIEF.THEN USE A CRAZY ADD OF HIM PROTECTING HISSELF IN HIS OWN OFFICE.He Simpley wont do it.Dont you hear what he say's everyday? Teach your theology by name,and against other theology by name.Dont name the theologist it just isnt proper.
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 He wasn't protecting himself LOL. The guy clearly said, "blasphemy", which pretty much CORRECTLY describes most of his teachings.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson YOU FRIEND ARE NOT CHRISTIAN BY NO MEANS.May GOD have mercy on you brother cause you have no understanding of the word liar.I Did Not Come To Save The Righteous But The Sinner. Mean Any Thing To You?
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 Say whatever you want, but he is a blasphemous false teacher. I believe Christ is the savior and Son of God. He died, resurrected and ascended to heaven. I'm a Christian... but maybe you're going by a false Arnold Murray definition of what a Christian is? Study to show theyself approves... does Acts 17:11 mean anything to you?
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson MAN WHAT DONT YOU GET?we are spending all this time tearing each other apart trying not to spread the word of GOD,but trying to force our beliefs or better said theological beliefs on people who maybe think different.JESUS IS THE WAY AND THE LIGHT. Do you agree?If you do then friend were on the same page. we are going to both be judged by him no matter if we like it or not,right?I believe the best thing to preach is the only way is through CHRISTnot THROUGH MAN.Do you agree?
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 What don't you get? You are wasting time. I posted a video of a liar on my page. You chose to respond. You didn't have to. I don't care if you don't believe what I believe. I just wanted to point out that the liar on video is a liar. This entire responding to you takes less than 1 minute on my end, so I'm not really wasting that much time. Maybe this consumes vast parts of your day, but not mine.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson After my visit of your site I see now where your ignorence comes from.Keep searching all areas of scripture son not just the end.It all started in the beginning.Open your eyes to see.God bless you.Oh and I should add son to look at the definition of lie in the Webster dictionary.It means the same thing in the BIBLE.
mamasboy815 1 year ago
@mamasboy815 Interesting. You claim you searched my site, but yet you think I started from the end? My site has articles ranging from Genesis to Revelation. Looks like somebody is lying. I see you're taking after Arnold Murray just like most of his students. LOL
ministerfortson 1 year ago
Keep making these videos. Maybe you will convince yourself they are true, or what you consider to be truth
shepherdschapelDOTco 1 year ago
@shepherdschapelDOTco I've been convinced because I read my BIBLE for myself. He's a false teacher. Google: "arnold murray false teacher" and you can find a list of all of his false teachings. Thousands of websites. LOL. I guess thousands of people are mistaken about his false teachings right? LOL
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson A wise man once said, "It's funny because it's true!" LOL
shepherdschapelDOTco 1 year ago
@shepherdschapelDOTco Yep, I agree. Its funny that people actually follow his nonsense when THOUSANDS of people that use to follow him are calling him a false teacher. Thank God they saw the truth.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson Some people just don't believe in precautionary measures. But I'm i'm sure theres a reason for everything God does. Get ready to recieve the goal you're working towards...you know, what the majority believes. Good times...good times....salam melecham
shepherdschapelDOTco 1 year ago
@shepherdschapelDOTco My goal is to inform and help people avoid teachings that don't actually appear in the Bible, such as those put out by this guy. It's not about majority its about verifying everything that is said using scripture. Adam IS Cain's father. Ezekiel 13 does not contain verse 24-25 as he quotes. The word "rapture" comes from the Vulgata Sacre (Latin Vulgate) so it does appear in the Bible. We did not fight Satan in the first earth age. All LIES for itching ears.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson Plus its a whole lot easier! ;)
shepherdschapelDOTco 1 year ago
@ministerfortson Aww gee wiilickers, I guess not because now I need to learn latin too!
shepherdschapelDOTco 1 year ago
Is that ancient hebrew latin, or ancient greece latin?
shepherdschapelDOTco 1 year ago
as far as the rapture is concerned, if the two witnesses are ready to stand up to the antichrist against all odds - as christ was , and all the martyrs; i'd rather stand there with them than run away to save myself - looking for an easy way out. i think history (and bible history) is showing what character is being looked for.
suedonym0 1 year ago
@suedonym0 That's where AM followers have it wrong. The Harpazo is a forceful snatching away. It has nothing to do with running away. Christ chooses to remove us from the wrath to come. Do your research. AM says we will be gathered together at the end. Pre-Wrath Rapturists teach that view point. He doesn't even admit that he teaches a pre-wrath rapture view.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson it amounts to following a false prophet. daniel and esther have scriptures where a king can't change law once he's made it. this is to tell us that he can't change the laws of physics he created (the miracles are usage of higher technology and dimensions to accomplish what seem impossible to the people then. thhe place of safety is like that indoors with lamb's blood on the lentils, or across the red sea. (nothing to do with shepherd's chapel)
suedonym0 1 year ago
@suedonym0 Those scriptures are directly related to the actual laws of the Medes and Persians. The Babylonians and the Romans could change their law. It has nothing to do with changing the laws of physics, etc. Brush upon your history.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson If its a "forceful snacthing away", then whatcha gettin' all riled up about? That's like preechin' to tha wind! ;D
shepherdschapelDOTco 1 year ago
@shepherdschapelDOTco Not getting riled up. He's a false teacher. Plain and simple. I'm just pointing out the lack of truth in his studies. Google: "arnold murray false teacher" and see how many other people have noticed it as well.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
I can't quote scripture off the top of my head, either, and am amazed by some people's memories. But, having misquoted ezekiel 13:18 once, he should have gone back to check and not repeated the same mistake at a later date.
suedonym0 1 year ago
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hamongog2015 1 year ago
@hamongog2015 You say, " The rapture is a bogus tradition that came from Margret Macdonald in Scotland in 1830" And yet, you say nothing more. Anybody who does not want to believe the 'rapture' for whatever reason, can find that statement, cut/paste, and think they've closed the argument. I say, put your money where your mouth is. PROVE 'Margret Macdonald in Scotland in 1830' made up the rapture.' Put your money where your mouth is and PROVE THIS claim. It's 'you're claim,' now back it up!
izzyt84 1 year ago
@izzyt84 though i belive arnold here is a false teacher but as a christian i dont belive in the rapture either
tonyteb 1 year ago
@hamongog2015 LOL. And what in the world is there to be 'jealous' of when it comes to this 'mean, nasty old man?' I even tried to 'invent something in my head to be jealous about,' I couldn't think of anything. LMAO!
izzyt84 1 year ago
You have to remember that 1 Thessalonians was written by Paul. Did not Christ say, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."?
instantproducts 1 year ago
@instantproducts NONE of the NT was written by Jesus, so what's your point about saying that Paul wrote. 1 Thess?
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson - Are you saying that the words he spoke didn't come out of his mouth? Do your own research on Paul.
instantproducts 1 year ago
@instantproducts I'm saying that none of the NT was written by Jesus. You are the one that pointed out that 1 Thess was written by Paul. So what? Make your point or why bother speaking about it?
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@instantproducts by the way, AM quotes Paul very often so if you are a follower of his, maybe you should contact him and let him know what you think about him quoting Paul.
ministerfortson 1 year ago
@ministerfortson I wouldn't worry about it.
instantproducts 1 year ago
Regarding yer "pre trib" rapture theory , u need to consult the translations in the Strongs exhaustive concordance ... pre Trib rapture wasn't popular untill the 1800's its only because certain "scholars" n preachers misread the scripture , u need to look at the greek and hebrew meanings of the words .. not to mention u need to be able to count Jesus comes on the 7th <-- Trump NOT THE 6th ..follow the anti christ if u want on the 6th lol , maybe he will "rapture" u before the trib lol
Wonglow 1 year ago