why would such an all powerful and all loving god punish anybody with eternity in hell for merely thinking rationally. He would forgive hitler who was actually a christian for the holocaust, but at the same time gandhi would burn in hell for being so 'evil' in his life.
ok, so... the saints are shown what COULD happen to them, so that they praise god all the more? what kind of evil being is this? Thats a straight up threat. Bow to me, or burn as they do.
"In order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned...So that they may be urged the more to praise God" - (Saint) Thomas Aquinas
Could there be any more reprehensible doctrine than this?
My mother is the best person I have known and she was a believer so in principle she went to heaven. I have been an atheist for more than 11 years and I think I will not change my mind, which means I will go to hell. I am sure my mother would not be happy in heaven and that proves the immorality of this doctrine. Your video points out this contradiction brilliantly.
This is one of the points that I made to my Christian sister. When I painted this scenario to her, telling her that it would be me & my son, who I know she loves dearly, in the 'pits of hell', she was unable to answer, at first, & then went on to admit that, no she wouldn't be happy to be in 'heaven' whilst we were being tortured for an eternity in 'hell'. I said, according to her belief, that's exactly what her god would expect her to do.
Any paradise where I would be separated from those I love, even the weird ones, is not a paradise. In my mind this is the paradox that dooms the idea of heaven or hell.
With even one of my family in hell suffering unspeakable torture it would not be paradise therefore either god has to acquiesce to my parents also being in heaven or his promise is not kept.
This was one of my first steps away from belief and blind faith.
Theres not enough space here but I'll tell you this (because you need help). When people say "there's no proof, etc" it really shows poor spirituality and wisdom and sadly that seem your case. I say this with no intention of slaughter or insults, just edification. The issue of afterlife, God, eternity, etc. are out-of-reach topics for the human being, why? because non can be "proved" by human methods, to start with. So, physical laws do not apply directly. They belong to the invisible realm.
Listen, God understands you are hurt. God is good, so The Bibles says. Your hypothesis about your mom in hell, etc is understandable, very humanistic "morally correct thinking". You need a relationship with Jesuschrist, THEN He will reveal His mind and ways to you, little by little. If God is perfect in judgment, He can't go wrong, so what we have to do is trust Him. We cannot argue and superpose our view over His. As I say this a supernatural issue, cannot debate w/logical thinking
Evidently, you haven't read it! I'll be happy to supply you with a multitude of verses, in context, illustrating just how despicably evil the biblical god was!
U said:
"As I say this a supernatural issue, cannot debate w/logical thinking"
How convenient! No questions, no doubt, just go along with the program...
You've made many claims about god/jesus here. Please demonstrate that your claims are true!
@Cootabux sorry to always have issues with what you say here, however this is an interesting thing you stated to rockethead 555. You asked him to demonstrate that his claims are true?? When you have just written me about evolution and I would repose your comments back to you....prove evolution exsists? BTW it is commonly familiar in debate to not use an item as a point of validity to refute its validity. Using Bible versus (Gods holy word) to refute Gods holy word is comical.
"sorry to always have issues with what you say here"
Don't apologize, bring it on!!
I just gave u examples of trans. fossils, but with the knowledge we have now, Evolution can be proven without transitional fossils, by genetics alone.
If you'd like to debate these subjects, come to my YT channel. We can't do it here bcuz it's off topic and Ed is strict when it comes to staying on topic.
My areas of interest are the scripture, the early church, & the history of polytheistic Judaism
After I became Born Again, I considered myself just as spiritually connected, faithful & committed, as any disciple of christ! How I discovered that this was a delusion was by applying critical thinking to the biblical claims and finding them unsubstantiated. My personal experiences were backed up with 5 years of study of scripture, the early church, and the origin of polytheistic Judaism.
Sorry, but the biblical god I discovered in scripture was a psychopath who loved killing!
I think it is rather commonplace for us to believe that we are not forged by a mold of a supreme creator, for that allows us to believe that there are no consequences for our actions here on earth. Sadly, as with your story you tell in this video, which I believe you are genuine about, it matters little difference what we believe when it comes to God. Rather God is what He is, and if we cannot accept that, he is sad by our choices, but not changed by them.
@goclones123, you say 'God is what he is'. I say, there is no credible evidence for the existence of any god. You say that your god is 'sad' if I do not accept his existence. How do you know that? How do you know that there is a god, who 'is what he is'? It isn't Thor or Zeus or Poseidon or Baal or Ra, is it? How do you know?And you do not address the main issue in this video, which is: How could heaven be pleasant for me if I am told that my mother, an extremely good person, is in hell?
@edwardtarte I know that there is a God in the universe, and that a simple collision of atoms did not make my soul and my very body. I believe that if you were honest with yourself, you would see that Science has "Created" more off the wall theories than the Bible ever has, I believe that God gave us the capability to deduce and calculate and form theories based on facts, but look at science even 50 years ago you would see alot of crazy stuff thought to be fact and truth..but later "modified"
Science doesn't create theories, is discovers them!
The reason science was so different 50 yrs ago, is bcuz our scientific knowledge and abilities become advanced and more precise. Science modifying it's findings, is it's job! Don't confuse science modification with overturning all previous knowledge. For example, Evolution has come a long way, but the evidence substantiates it's premise. We are in fact, modern apes, demonstrated by genetics and transitional fossils!
@Cootabux Transitional fossils??? Really??? This is what drives my point earlier home, and thankyou for doing this. The "Theory" of transitional fossils is just that, theory. And it isn't Christians shooting down findings, it is Scientists more specificly Paleontologists, and not just skeptics, but those who write and lecture FOR evolution. You should read Prof. Robert Carroll's book/essay Patterns and Processes of Vertebrate Evolution...he would disagree with you on transitional fossils.
Of course there are "some" Paloes who attack Evolution, & I'd venture to say that most are Xians (Creationists). I'm not interested in a man who wrote a book, but the peer reviewed articles in major science journals. Also, any1 who can discount Evolution will have a Nobel prize, not to mention a lucrative career & book sales. Then we'd have all the Creationists who would make him rich.
So where is he and why hasn't he destroyed Evolution?
There is no theory of transitional fossils...only the Theory of Evolution and it is a "scientific" Theory, not a street use of theory, which is used as a guess, or a hypothesis! Do you know the difference?
You deny the existence of transitional fossils? Please explain this. I can take you to the Smithsonian Museum here in Washington and show you "real" transitional fossils. But if u can't make the trip, Google transitional whale fossils. Whale fossils are the best examples.
It has nothing to do with what we'd like to believe. It has to do with evidence. If you believe a god exists, I'd luv to see you demonstrate that.
Of course there are consequences for our actions. That's why we have laws. Or do u believe laws aren't enough? You'd rather see a psychopath, such as the biblical gods, send people to hell for such offences as Apostasy? Is that your idea of justice? No being deserves hell, regardless of his offence. Hell isn't punishment, but evil & cruel.
U said; I think it is rather commonplace for us to believe that we are not forged by a mold of a supreme creator, for that allows us to believe that there are no consequences for our actions here on earth.
Well, we know for a fact that Evolution is true & that we weren't created fully formed in a Garden of Eden.
No consequences?? There are consequences for what we do, here & now. I make amends to those I hurt or cause any pain, & only need their forgiveness, not some ghost-god.
U said; "it matters little difference what we believe when it comes to God. Rather God is what He is, and if we cannot accept that, he is sad by our choices, but not changed by them."
U could've said the exact same thing about Saddam Hussein!! That is, if you're referring to the biblical god, who was a murdering machine, had a penchant for killing children, and loved the smell of burnt offerings...is that who you are talking about?
@goclones123 an all powerfull god would not require worship, it wouldn't require anything...humans create their own standards of how to be civil to each other, what is acceptible behavior and what is inapropriate, when it comes to all these "facts" about god...it has only the purpose for humans to dictate An absolute LAW and authority over another human being or civilization...and some of these LAWS advocate Dangerous behavior...such books belong in a bondfire because they spread poison
I've been busier with work in these past few months, more than I have been in many years! But getting back and spending a little time on YT, I wanted to visit and see how you were doing. I hope you are well.
thank you for a convincing video, though heartbreaking. You see, my mother died of breast cancer when I was seven, and I really never knew my own mother. It is a great sadness to not have any hope of ever knowing the one who gave me life. I do hope I am wrong, but suspect otherwise. Your mother did a great job raising you as you are a good and decent man.
Hello there edward tart theres just incorret information that you have spoken on this video , god is a loving god that gives every person on this part of world , in the bible it says god so loved the world that he sent his only beloved son to die on the cross to take away all our sins,To be truth im not liking your videos at all,if you where a preacher before how could jesus not give your mother a chance he gave your mother the chance to let him into her heart but she didtnt want to know him
Just because Ed was a priest doesn't mean he had any relationship with God.
Why be concerned about your mother now maybe you feel guilty you could not live as christian example to your mom. Because that takes faith something I doubt you ever had. So I also doubt you will be standing before God someday talking on your mothers behalf. I know I wont be with everyone I love in heaven someday but I will be with the one who counts. GOD
U are in no position to judge who was or wasn't faithful enough. or Xian enough. Like Ed, I was a Xian 4 many years B4 studying the Judeo-Christian Religion more deeply than ever B4. That's how I became an atheist. And btw, if there is a hell, then god is evil! It's just that simple. There's no sane or just reason 4 eternal torment 4 any offense! Damning people to Hell, if it existed, would be sadistically cruel, & therefore evil. We are not to blame for Adam & Eve's disobedience
When I was 9 years old, my mother told me that I would be going to hell if I told a lie, and I told her that she'd be in hell too knowing that I'd be suffering. People condemn evil dictators to hell but that only makes them more barbaric than them because they're condemning an individual to ETERNAL torture, while everyone else who was tortured on earth gets eternal reward in heaven. it's just illogical! Your mother seemed wonderful and must've been very proud of you , and would be proud today.
I really like your style. It's like an acquired taste because it is very different from many other atheist videos I have seen in youtube.
I agree with you in everything you say in this video. I find it mesmerizing that this issue in the believe system of christians doesn't seem to pass through their minds at all, even when many of them have lost non-believing relatives also
Thank you for making this video. And may your mother rest in the peace of immersion within the very substance of the cosmos. A fate more beautiful than could ever be described as a religious heaven.
I was at my mother's side when she died last April. There was no sense of the supernatural or Divine involved, she just faded away very muck like an ember when the red glow grows cold.
No one says there was nothing before the Big Bang. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. We don't know what state the universe existed in before the BB, but I think it's totally incorrect to say it was nothing!
You are concluding that since you think there was nothing, it must have had a creator. This is incorrect.
You should study Cosmology and latest scientific views on the BB.
Excellent video. What theists do not understand is that the atheistic view that there are no gods is far more likely to be correct, and it is also more comforting. Theists believe that one can be tortured for all eternity. Atheists hold that life ends upon death. Like you, I'd rather not go to either mythological afterlife, since both would be torture for any rational individual. Heaven is supposedly great, but you need to be completely submissive to a rather unpleasant entity to go. No thanks.
Hi Edward. I completely understand your problem with a God that would have your mother suffer eternal torment in "hell". This is not what a loving God should/would do. Nor is what any loving person would want to know whilst "enjoying" heaven - what kind of a "heaven" would that be? The problem is that the idea of hell being an "eternal torment" is false. This is a lie perpetuated by people who call themselves "Christian" yet do not listen to or know Jesus.
@annazakiya A famous passage from the bible reads "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life". Please note the "not perish". If a person repents of their sins and follows Jesus (Yahushua), their soul will have eternal life. If not, their soul will perish, that is, cease to exist. "Hell" is separation from God. Yes, the bible talks about "eternal hell fire" - this is the means by which the soul ceases to exist.
@annazakiya@annazakiya ... The "fire" is eternal, but the torment for the soul IS NOT. Your mother will not be in heaven with you, but she will not suffer eternal torment either - she simply will cease to exist. You seem to have thought much about this. If you are interested, I can provide you a link to an excellent video by a young man who explains in more detail why hell is not an "eternal torment". Thankyou, and I hope you come to know Yahushua as I now know Him.
@annazakiya The major problem with Christianity is that it doesn't say exactly anything with certainty. You say that because you want that to be what it means, other Christians who may know more or less than you about Christianity think there is no hell, some think there is no purgatory, you can't claim what Hell is because it's never defined, unless you look at Dante's Inferno, and if you believe the bible there is no reason not to believe Dante's Inferno.
Has it ever occurred to u to wonder why we are told that we are born into condemnation? The story of Orig. Sin is 1 of the most senseless and unjust...in fact, evil is a better term, to describe what god did to Adam & Eve (id it were real, and it's not).
I can dismantle the story in minutes, showing how unfair and insane such an event would have been.
Bronze age scribes wrote the bible stories as an attempt to explain man's struggle with his animal nature, and to control him via fear.
"God sent his only son to die for us - i am sorry you dont believe"
Why would we believe it? Why would you?? There's no evidence for any of the bible's supernatural claims to be true. So why do you believe?
But you said jesus (god) died for us. No he didn't! What makes you think he suffered? A god can't die, correct?? Right now, according to scripture, god's in heaven running the show...forever..bcuz god's don't die...they live forever.
Hi Edward, I love my dead mother too. I found her dead of an overdose.. Anyone who tells you that your mother is in hell, does NOT know God! And her life was testimony to God, He does not condem those who don't know the truth! Only those who know the truth, and sin anyway... You will see her again!! Talk to God again, He's waiting for you!
@InventorGorilla, thank you for your comment. No, I won't see her again. I will not 'talk to God', because there is no god. No god is waiting for me. My mother no longer exists, and after I die I will no longer exist. Nor will you. There is no afterlife.
@edwardtarte I used to think that as well!I was a purely logical, scientific,and proof driven thinker.Then I found my mother dead.When I walked into her room,I didn't see her,it was the horrible sound of her screaming that made me look down on the opposite side of the bed.Like it was coming from under the floor,I can still hear it when I shut everything else out!Demons pretended to be her ghost,MY CHILDREN SAW AND HEARD THEM!I spoke the name of our saviour,and it all stopped! watch my last video
@tml4873 for what? Believeing in God? I don't think all unbelievers go to hell. Catholicism, I believe is satanic and leads to more unbelief than anything else. And, I do see a therapist! So yout intended insult, has no basis, nor does it bother me that you think I am crazy. I don't recall judging you, and recommending you do anything about what I have judged you for. I think its funny how, out of a couple comments, you have decided who I am. That is NOT rational, nor is it logical in any way!
@InventorGorilla On what basis did you determine my statement was intended as an insult, and not genuine concern for you and the safety of those around you? I do think you're crazy, but I don't think I'm alone in that thought, based on reading what you wrote. Dude, you're talking about demons and ghosts. Get help, and join us back here in reality.
@tml4873 lol... so, anyone who talks about ghosts, or demons is crazy? and dangerous? That is insulting, and the fact that you don't see it, is pretty interesting in of itself. Believeing in other spacial dimensions other than the 3 we occupy, is not insane! In fact it is supported by mathamatics, and quantum theories. Think what you like! I know there is more! I have experienced, unexplained things. And I started therapy on my own accord, fearing the same. But I am not crazy, or dangerous.
@tml4873 ...cont.. and reality is a farse! It is dependant on observation,perception, and experiences of an individual. Since nobody processes these things exactly the same way, reality IS subjective. Take for instance a child, are they crazy, because they believe in childish things? Or are you crazy, for setting guidelines for reality, and pushing that idea onto others as truth? I think you are close minded, and I pity you! Blessings
@InventorGorilla Crazy is an overstatement, I admit. Delusional, certainly. It's always potentially dangerous to believe and base decisions on delusions. The connection you're trying to make between QED and mathematics to your demon haunted world is not there. Ask a quantum physicist what he thinks about it. If you've experienced unexplained things, that's all they are: unexplained. Instead of leaving it at that, you've inserted a magic explanation for which there is no evidence.
@tml4873 ok? delusional then,I never said anything about a demon haunted world, that I can remember, but I have not inserted magic anywhere. Where in the bible does it say God is magic? And the lack of evidence does NOT prove or disprove anything. It's just unproven. not necessarily false. And I have asked a quantum physicist in a blog that I post on. And He said it was possible, for the hypothesized 'extra dimensions' to be a sort of heaven or hell, or just a space outside our perception.thanks
@edwardtarte Dear Edward, I offer this in all sincerity. What do you think about the many reports from individuals who physically died but report to doctors and loved ones that they were clearly conscious following physical death? There are many billions who subscribe to the idea of reincarnation. There are plenty of stories from children and adults who claim to have knowledge of a former life and can offer verifiable evidence to support their claims. What do you make of that?
@InventorGorilla i love how you christians meddle with feeble minds that have been or are going through difficult/painful times in an attempt to suck them towards your idiotic religion..
@luishomeroremohsiul I don't do that. I believe in election. I don't think we can bring anyone into a belief. I believe it is our responsibility to be comforting,supportive, and to listen more than we speak. And you are calling over 2/3 of the worlds population idiotic. Wich I feel is far worse than comforting another human being! I appreciate your sentiments, and agree that praying on the grief of a person for any cause is despicable. We prob. agree on a lot of things. You'd be surprised.
@InventorGorilla sensible, now i want you too google the countries which are the most prosperous, incorruptible, advanced and with high quality of life, then i want you to look up how many people from those countries practice any religion...
eternal bliss in the afterlife is not a gift; it's a curse. just imagine living forever.. THAT will be the real hell. You'll want it to be over.. just watch philhellenes' "1000000000000000000000 in heaven".. u'll see what i mean
Well said. If God would torture your loved ones and expect you to be ok with it, then He is unspeakably cruel.
OTOH, if you forget the memories of your loved ones when you are in heaven, then how can it be said that the person in heaven is still you? You are your thoughts, your emotions, your memories, and your actions - take away part of them and you are no longer you.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints - Billy Joel
@777harvest When you say that you will pray for all of us, you act as if you are doing something productive, like you are doing a service to people for free. but in reality, all you are doing is talking to yourself and getting nothing REAL done at all. If God has a divine plan, and he wont change it just because you want it to change, then what is the purpose of prayer? anyways, have fun with your delusion until you are around 45 years old when you realize what you have really done.
You said; "the next day I'd awaken to powerful insight that was beyond any argument! That, to me, is God or Source!"
That's fine, for you, and U may be correct, but the problem is, we don't know that what we see in our minds is god, or if it's our brains doing what it does best..."thinking and problem solving!"
I guess the questions I have is; would u ever act on something U think god tells u in your mind?
Again, it's the personal, reward & punishment god I have issues with!
I'm Indian and my uncle taught me early on that the only way to the creator is from within. He also taught me to live by the Golden Rule. We didn't call it that but that's what it was. So I can relate to your "Infinite intelligence" concept. "But" that also is a theory & we have no evidence for even that one. I'd be happy if we did.
I guess I'm science/experience bound! I live by evidence. Bcuz a god could exist, doesn't mean it does.
@777harvest, I know from comments of Cootabux elsewhere that he does that not out of any disrespect but only to economize on numbers of characters typed.
U know how common to use such shorthand. Some of us use Xians instead of Christians, just as we've used Xmas instead of Christmas. But what I find interesting is how some would see it as something demonic, simply cuz of the format or atmosphere of the commentary here. It's no surprise to me why so many Xians see satan around every corner!
I can't help but see religious thinking as potentially destructive to the believer & those they indoctrinate! I know they can't C it.
U have got to be kidding me!! U can't be serious?? Are U an adult? Are U ....sane?
I was a Xian for...oh, excuse me...I was a "CHRISTIAN" for over 50 yrs before I advanced to atheism, so I've been thru all of that.
Salvation? I don't believe I need salvation. That's bcuz I don't believe in orig. sin, nor hell, nor the Xian god. Know why? I read & studied the bible for the 1st time! What really disproved Xianity was the roots of Judaism!
@777harvest, you are incorrect that I am angry about God. I simply find no credible evidence that an god exists, as I clearly state in many of my videos. You are also incorrect in drawing the conclusion that I have been hurt.
Excuse me, but you continue to show your ignorance. In fact, it's willful ignorance & that's the worst kind.
You insult Ed ...all of us, by implying that other atheists influence his behavior , & in a negative way. You also accuse atheists of being naturally angry at god, yada, yada! So let me clear up your confusion once & for all.
Those of us who express anger, do it selectively! It's not aimed a god or any invisible hypothetical. It's directed at willful ignorance & denial!
intentionally ignoring, & often denying, sometimes defending, your divine source, your compassionate & loving, god, who routinely murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent women & children, even torturing animals, was misogynistic, & advocated the enslavement of human beings!!
So please sir, before u so quickly relegate us to the order of "those who are born angry at everything & everybody," take a few & just ponder the source of our "true" anger, & try again!!
Most atheists I know, believe it's possible that this universe could've come into existence in other possible ways, than a ghost uttering a magic spell and making it all happen. The universe may have always existed in one form or another.
I don't see a thing unreasonable about that statement! In fact, I agree with it, as do most atheists I know.
We atheists admit we don't have all the answers, Xians say they do, yet all the available evidence opposes their view! What's yours?
Sad that "religion" leads people from a relationship with God, but that's the devils motive.
No disrespect, but It is beyond me how anyone with a brain can believe that "BANG!....the world and it's inhabitants were created." It was created by intelligent design. It was created by God.
The burden falls on you, using the bible and the "evidence" within, prove it's false and there is no God. Many former atheists have become believers trying to do so and gone on to do great things. Blessings.
U said: "No disrespect, but It is beyond me how anyone with a brain can believe that "BANG!....the world and it's inhabitants were created."
Have u considered that the lack of a brain (I'll be nice & say "lack of understanding"), may in fact, be you're problem??
If U studied Cosmology, maybe U'd have some idea of how it came into existence. What I find hard to believe is how pple like U who don't know, conclude that a ghost in a robe wiggled his nose & "shazam" everything appeared!
I guess you just happen to "deny" that Evolution is true & instead believe that everything just..."BANG" came into existence all in one instant approx. 6,000 years ago??
I can't help wondering why 99.9% Xians just also happen to believe that Evolution is false! And the amazing thing is that they've never studied Evolution!! Think they might be extremely biased?
Whatever happened Xians honor, integrity, & humanity?? As an atheist, I can say that mine are still well intact, are yours?
God's children will not remember people who rejected God when we're in heaven, or it wouldn't be heaven. And Jesus is not to blame for the terrible things in the world; it's because of man's sin. But Jesus loves us, and has given us a way out by dieing for our sins, if we accept Him as our Savior. I pray your mother was saved before her death, because she is alive somewhere. As a mother, I believe she loved you and wishes she could tell you how wrong she was and that THERE IS A GOD.
@777harvest, my mother no longer exists. No god exists. Nor does Jesus, nor does heaven, nor does hell. I say these things for the same reason that I say there is no small teapot circling the planet Uranus; there is no evidence. You make some stupendous claims in your comment, and the the burden of proof is on you to provide strong persuasive evidence for them. Neither you nor anybody else has evidence to support your stupendous claims.
Faith? You may as well asked, "haven't you ever heard of wishful thinking?"
You're talking to a man who was a priest! Just bcuz his views do not agree with yours, doesn't mean that his understanding and interpretations are wrong. I see you as being wrong.
If the bible were true, if the Xian god were real, prayer would be answered...and they're not, ever! I can prove that to you if you're up for it. Or are you only interested in reinforcing your belief, rather than finding the truth?
How old are u? I'm serious. I can't believe the things I'm reading from here r from an adult! And why is it that Xians, theists in general, are so vindictive & vengeful?? Even when I was a Xian, I'd see so much "vile" in Xians. I guess they take after ole Yahweh! Now there was a cruel & evil deity if there ever was.
Why are u all so quick to worship a Cosmic monster who enjoyed killing women & children, and liked the aroma of burnt offerings?? Btw, how can a ghost smell anything?
You are right. If alsimers (please forgive spelling) prevents someone from believing or forgetting to believe it does not seem fitting that they're evil god would cast them to hell. And I am sorry about your mother.
@TheOptimistPrime I used to believe in God in the sense that I "experienced God". But I never thought of my God as having supernatural powers, only as something profound and ideal yet all around me.
Atheists shouldn't be afraid of such an experience or thinking that way. Religious people may have such an experience, but they somehow consider it evidence for dogma, a being with supernatural powers, punishing/loving.
"This heaven will be a psychological hell" - I've used this argument before, glad to see someone so eloquent say it as well.
If hell exists for people who simply don't believe, then countless friends and family are at risk. And if any one of them doesn't make it to heaven, then heaven would be a very dark place to spend eternity as you imagine their eternal screaming.
Surely an all-powerful deity can come up with something better than that!
if there was a god he wouldn't give a damn about your mother, or anyone else, who broke his 2 bit laws and refused to believe in his fig tree killing son who rode into town on 2 animals, gave the sermon on the mount on a plain, and had several different things to say right before his death. xtians will tell you that your mother belongs to god and he can do as it pleases him. tyrannical bastard/braindead followers. thoughtful vid, ed.
@TheOptimistPrime, your statement 'God is unconditional energy' makes no sense to me, because its meaning is obscure to me and whatever it means I find no evidence whatsoever to support it. I find your comment to be not very helpful.
You are a powerful speaker due to your passion, honesty, and, knowledge. Thank you for your effort to help those who are squandering their life in a fantasy with fear at its core and the dismissal of the welfare of humanity its consequence.
@Tugeagon - when you die and resurrect and walk the earth in front of 500+ witnesses, when your works, deeds, and quotes are recorded and withstanding the test of time, scrutiny, and persecution, and when I see your promises working in the lives of people today, then I will believe in you. Until then false prophet, no.
@travro25 - The story and his quotes were not recorded whilst he was alive (if he existed). the closest anyone gets is 4-5 decades after the supposed resurrection. As for working through people's lives, people can't be trusted, they either lie or are deluded. What test of time?! there have been no tests.. just blind faith.
@Tugeagon actually they were recorded verbally because writing in those days was not as developed and widespread, and the epistles and gospels were written at the earliest a decade after his ressurrection by peopel who new him personally within the lifespans of the hundreds of witnesses that saw him return, I'm wasting time again with yet another arrogant agnostic whose goal is to find fallibility in anyone other than himself. Blind faith? I don't see the wind, true, but I see its effects.
The problem is, as far as we know, none of what you state here has ever happened. If you have verifiable info. that it has, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Btw, my peoples recordings are much older than the biblical ones, does that mean they more valid...or valid at all? No!
If you're gonna study Xianity, I suggest you start with it's foundation, the roots of Judaism. You'll be shocked at what you'll find. Then tell me of the truth of your religion.
I've spoken to a few hard line christians on here regarding my mothers non belief in God ( dispite her kind and loving nature), they have no qualms in telling me they she will burn in eternal hell unless she accepts christ.
I'm impressed that you tried religion but saw it for what it really is., i.e superstitious nonsense. I'm sure your mother would be proud of you had she been able to see the full picture.
What beautiful way you speak of your mother, through you and your beautiful words, her memory lives on and you are doing her justice.
Please don't let the words of some misguided individuals tarnish that. You are doing her justice by spreading your message of a rational, evidence-based outlook of life.
Thank you for sharing this little part of you with us.
@3zzi32008 There is no way to provide evidence for the nonexistence of god. It is the people making that claim, namely that god DOES exist, that need to provide the proof. Unfortunately for them, after thousands of years, religion has not been able to provide one single empirical fact to attest to that matter.
@simsi1616, thank you so much for this comment. I wish you the very best in your medical studies. I would not be the least bit surprised if you become a very fine, caring, compassionate doctor.
I'm with you ed life is great when you don't have to live with the chain of belief around your neck. Although for me I've been an atheist since i was 14 or so for 45 years i've been free of those crazy thought. Enjoy life
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Search and watch the miracles of the Quran if you find time. May allah guide you before it is to late.
And if not, then we will all find out who was wrong and who was right after we have died. Upon there is no return and each person will have to bear the burden of his own soul and how he made use of this life, no one else.
I declare that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, and muhammed (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) were his messengers. As well as all of the other messengers.
@3zzi32008, there is no Allah. There is no god of any sort. There is no life after death. After death we will not find out anything. All the 'finding out', we must do before we die.
@edwardtarte OK, I take your comment on board sir. Are you able to prove this for me please? As you are Very right, we MUST do all the finding out before we die.
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This was very touching, but on that day of judgment when you are brought before God, and IF you were going to Heaven, the love for your mother as you know it now would be non-existant.
She would neither be concerned for your well being, or where you are going to end up, neither would you for her.
@3zzi32008, there is not a shred of evidence for what you say. And if Heaven did exist and were like that, obliterating from my mind all memories of the love that I experienced on earth, I would not be interested in being there. What you said in your comment is totally disgusting to me.
@edwardtarte There is ample evidence, you need look no further that your own body. Now, If I told you that my computer, over millions of years formed itself through time and materials both hardware and software coming together by coincidence, you wold say I was crazy. I mean, maybe there is a chance that the hardware components would slot together by chance, but what about the operating system?? and the programs on it? They have been intelligently designed.
@3zzi32008 I mean, my machine can't fix itself. Now you say your a rational thinker, but your body is perfectly designed, never do you need to worry about your involantary muscles working, like your heart, etc, they just do. If you get ill, your immune system battles it out for you, if you cut yourself, it heals itself.
@3zzi32008 This is just the human body, not to mention the rest of the animal and plant kingdom, the earth and planets in their perfectly balanced orbit, never getting 2 days running consecutively or 2 nights!! But you but all this down to chance? And you call that rational thinking.
@3zzi32008 Such a shallow mentality. Such a convienient copout. You completely missed his point about about how your dogma denies human emotion. YOU continue to waste this life and the opportunities it presents you with. You just made his point in front of everyone!
@Stromatolite577 I don't quite understand how that makes my mentality shallow, lol. Emotions are a blessing from God, its what makes us unique. However, nobody will wish themselves into hell just because a loved one is there. It is sad, I know that, but on that day, you would ransom your whole family and all thats on this earth if it would save you from that punishment. Something your little brain can't and won't comprehend until you are put in front of it.
@3zzi32008 Your mentality is shallow when you are presented with a genuine example of good in people and write it all off with standardized dogma. All of the declarative statements you have made so far are baseless. As you have been told, there is no evidence for what you declare as fact. As for evidence, as you say, it is all around you. If you want to understand what you see, get a formal education and stop living a fantasy. Its that simple really.
@Stromatolite577 See definition of Dogma, is a religious belief that has no evidence. Have you read the Quran, and studied its scientific statements before writing it off? I have put in the effort to read Charles Darwin Origin Of Species before writing the THEORY off. I think your the one who needs educating. How can you deny something you know nothing about??? So can you explain the evidence that is all around me, and what it is evidence for??
@3zzi32008 This is a common tactic of those who proponents for living in a fantasy world. I don't normally play this game but for the benefit of those reading this thread; Yes I have read much of the quran and I have lived in the middle east. I doubt seriously that you have read Origin of Species, but if you did, it is unlikely you understood it. Your comments speak to your level of education and understanding. You want it explained to you here? Earn your own education!
@Stromatolite577 Well I'm not playing a game either my friend. I think you will find I have read the origin of species and understood it. though I doubt you understood what you read of the quran. There are atheist and non-muslim scientists who have studied the scientific miracles of the quran. They can appreciate the details mentioned in the quran, as they realise how recent they have only discovered recent facts.
@Stromatolite577 I don't need people like you to educate me here, neither am I looking to be educated here, lol. Good luck in where ever your life takes you. May be both succeed in our paths to education ;)
@3zzi32008 Clearly you are not looking to be educated in any form. Your choice. Recognize that when you spout your religious fantansies, many more rational people understand the vicious sadism that is inherent in the abrahamic "faiths" and will be repelled by your comments. Best of luck to you; I do hope you get an education.
@3zzi32008 "Have you read the Quran, and studied its scientific statements before writing it off?" As a matter of fact, I HAVE read the Quran, and studied all the "scientific facts" it claims to describe, and I'm amazed that muslims are so scientifically ignorant so as to not realize how inaccurate those "facts" are. I suggest you study real science and THEN reexamine those claims.
@simsi1616 Really, I suppose you understand embryology and anatomy better than Professor Keith L. Moore, who also studied the details mentioned in the quran on these subjects, and appreciates the detail and how it was not possible for anyone to provide such detail in the time it was revealed, accept if it was from the creator. I doubt you have studied any of the quran in detail.
@3zzi32008 Actually, I have a degree in biology and am currently a medical student, and so I have a pretty good understanding of embryology and anatomy. I have also studied the "scientific" claims made in the quran, and they are flawed my dear, very flawed. The knowledge in the quran is consistent with what was believed at the time, but modern science has since proven many of those beliefs to be false.
@simsi1616 but please give me details of a science book you suggest I should read, why not try and save me from living this fantasy you claim I live??
@3zzi32008 you want a science book to read? A good start would be Campbell's Biology text book, it's a great entry level tome that covers a wide range of topics and explains scientific principles in fairly easy terms.
Let me know when you're done reading it.
Ps. I'm currently in the process of reading the quran (which will be followed by the hadiths) and I must say much of what I'm reading is barbaric and pretty pathetic.
@Stromatolite577 There is clear evidence for a divine creator, and you guys can't prove to me that there isn't. But I am open to a intelligent and convincing response with evidence to prove me wrong please.
You can't prove I haven't just had an actual conversation with Zeus, Odin, and the Tooth Fairy. Does that count as evidence that Zeus, Odin, and the Tooth Fairy are real?
@bowlsallbroken I said I was waiting for an intelligent response. See I provide a clear argument explaining the abundant evidence that this universe and everything in it can't be down to chance. Do you actuallt know what the probability of it all happening by chance is?? Go and do some research and find out. You argument just shows your lack of knowledge. Shame, maybe you should go do some reading my friend. lol.
@3zzi32008 "Do you actuallt know what the probability of it all happening by chance is??" The fact that you think that the universe and everything inside it is a product of CHANCE simply shows your glaring ignorance on the matter. I suggest you follow your own advice and do some reading, and try a real science book this time.
@3zzi32008 Again, this is common: to simply declare there is evidence of a divine creator does not in any empirical way prove there is. The bar you set for "proof" is apparently very low. To understand biological science beyond a very basic level, you need some understanding of the physical sciences: physics, chemistry, genetics and so forth. Go to college and work to achieve this. Don't expect anyone to spend the time to educate you in this forum.
Edward: Some of us have had the unique good fortune of having spectacular mothers.Your story of your encounter with god in heaven etc is excellent. I'm sure Christians can come up with innumerable solutions of one type or another.The main point is, there is really no imperative to answer to theists. I was raised as a Catholic, and despite my break with them at about age 13, I still feel the need to argue with them.But I know it is pointless. I'm glad you had a good mother. What a blessing(!)
I think there are people out there who wouldn't be happy in heaven because of its holiness, elusiveness of sin, and pristine light.. Hell is a dark tolerate place of darkness and horror, it's mouth is open for all who have no desire for God. Some would be more at home there.
When we die we will understand at that moment that we got what we deserved.
@peachbeachsouth, No one deserves eternal torture. There should be proportionality between offense and punishment. Watch my Hell video. If anybody would go to hell, that person would not be getting what he or she deserved.
@edwardtarte ... You are kicking against a stone wall since your words and opinions cannot truly change what will truly be in eternity, although you can proclaim them all day long if you wish.
@peachbeachsouth,I am not trying to 'change what will be in eternity'.I am trying to understand reality based on evidence and rational thought, and to communicate that with others.I spent much time and effort in early adulthood promoting delusion and superstition, and I am very ashamed of that fact. I am now trying to make up for that.I hope viewers of my videos will apply careful thought to what I say.I find no credible evidence for 'eternity'--for any conscious existence beyond death.
@edwardtarte When I look around at the awesome order of things in this glorious creation I find it impossible to deny God. He said in His word, "The whole earth is filled with the glory of God." For me it would take a lot more faith to believe otherwise.
A lot of people...and books, say a lot of things. I see you pick & choose what best supports your fantasy.
U say u see such order that there must be a god. If we were designed, along with the universe, that certainly doesn't default 2 a ghost floating around overhead who waved his magic wand, bringing it all into existence. Funny that you choose to believe in that particular god as the creator.
why would such an all powerful and all loving god punish anybody with eternity in hell for merely thinking rationally. He would forgive hitler who was actually a christian for the holocaust, but at the same time gandhi would burn in hell for being so 'evil' in his life.
Pineapplefreezer 1 week ago
cool story, bro
yellochub 2 weeks ago
ok, so... the saints are shown what COULD happen to them, so that they praise god all the more? what kind of evil being is this? Thats a straight up threat. Bow to me, or burn as they do.
OnorexDeixCaduti 3 weeks ago
"In order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned...So that they may be urged the more to praise God" - (Saint) Thomas Aquinas
Could there be any more reprehensible doctrine than this?
dingodavid 4 weeks ago in playlist More videos from edwardtarte
My mother is the best person I have known and she was a believer so in principle she went to heaven. I have been an atheist for more than 11 years and I think I will not change my mind, which means I will go to hell. I am sure my mother would not be happy in heaven and that proves the immorality of this doctrine. Your video points out this contradiction brilliantly.
sandrodecott 1 month ago
This is one of the points that I made to my Christian sister. When I painted this scenario to her, telling her that it would be me & my son, who I know she loves dearly, in the 'pits of hell', she was unable to answer, at first, & then went on to admit that, no she wouldn't be happy to be in 'heaven' whilst we were being tortured for an eternity in 'hell'. I said, according to her belief, that's exactly what her god would expect her to do.
summersun2828 1 month ago
To base an afterlife on the Thoughts someone has is simply Tyrannical.
This is nothing short of a George Owellian State.
MrGoodNKinky 1 month ago
Any paradise where I would be separated from those I love, even the weird ones, is not a paradise. In my mind this is the paradox that dooms the idea of heaven or hell.
With even one of my family in hell suffering unspeakable torture it would not be paradise therefore either god has to acquiesce to my parents also being in heaven or his promise is not kept.
This was one of my first steps away from belief and blind faith.
micometer 1 month ago
@micometer, yes indeed. Thank you so much for your comment.
edwardtarte 1 month ago
Ed... I am so bloody sorry...
TheWisemonkey8 1 month ago
Theres not enough space here but I'll tell you this (because you need help). When people say "there's no proof, etc" it really shows poor spirituality and wisdom and sadly that seem your case. I say this with no intention of slaughter or insults, just edification. The issue of afterlife, God, eternity, etc. are out-of-reach topics for the human being, why? because non can be "proved" by human methods, to start with. So, physical laws do not apply directly. They belong to the invisible realm.
rockethead555 4 months ago in playlist ! EDWARD Tarte Teachings
Listen, God understands you are hurt. God is good, so The Bibles says. Your hypothesis about your mom in hell, etc is understandable, very humanistic "morally correct thinking". You need a relationship with Jesuschrist, THEN He will reveal His mind and ways to you, little by little. If God is perfect in judgment, He can't go wrong, so what we have to do is trust Him. We cannot argue and superpose our view over His. As I say this a supernatural issue, cannot debate w/logical thinking
rockethead555 4 months ago in playlist ! EDWARD Tarte Teachings
rockethead555
U say, "god is good, so the bible says."
Evidently, you haven't read it! I'll be happy to supply you with a multitude of verses, in context, illustrating just how despicably evil the biblical god was!
U said:
"As I say this a supernatural issue, cannot debate w/logical thinking"
How convenient! No questions, no doubt, just go along with the program...
You've made many claims about god/jesus here. Please demonstrate that your claims are true!
You assume that we were never Xians??
Cootabux 4 months ago
@Cootabux sorry to always have issues with what you say here, however this is an interesting thing you stated to rockethead 555. You asked him to demonstrate that his claims are true?? When you have just written me about evolution and I would repose your comments back to you....prove evolution exsists? BTW it is commonly familiar in debate to not use an item as a point of validity to refute its validity. Using Bible versus (Gods holy word) to refute Gods holy word is comical.
goclones123 4 months ago
goclones123
"sorry to always have issues with what you say here"
Don't apologize, bring it on!!
I just gave u examples of trans. fossils, but with the knowledge we have now, Evolution can be proven without transitional fossils, by genetics alone.
If you'd like to debate these subjects, come to my YT channel. We can't do it here bcuz it's off topic and Ed is strict when it comes to staying on topic.
My areas of interest are the scripture, the early church, & the history of polytheistic Judaism
Cootabux 3 months ago
rockethead555
After I became Born Again, I considered myself just as spiritually connected, faithful & committed, as any disciple of christ! How I discovered that this was a delusion was by applying critical thinking to the biblical claims and finding them unsubstantiated. My personal experiences were backed up with 5 years of study of scripture, the early church, and the origin of polytheistic Judaism.
Sorry, but the biblical god I discovered in scripture was a psychopath who loved killing!
Cootabux 4 months ago
I think it is rather commonplace for us to believe that we are not forged by a mold of a supreme creator, for that allows us to believe that there are no consequences for our actions here on earth. Sadly, as with your story you tell in this video, which I believe you are genuine about, it matters little difference what we believe when it comes to God. Rather God is what He is, and if we cannot accept that, he is sad by our choices, but not changed by them.
goclones123 6 months ago
@goclones123, you say 'God is what he is'. I say, there is no credible evidence for the existence of any god. You say that your god is 'sad' if I do not accept his existence. How do you know that? How do you know that there is a god, who 'is what he is'? It isn't Thor or Zeus or Poseidon or Baal or Ra, is it? How do you know?And you do not address the main issue in this video, which is: How could heaven be pleasant for me if I am told that my mother, an extremely good person, is in hell?
edwardtarte 6 months ago 2
@edwardtarte I know that there is a God in the universe, and that a simple collision of atoms did not make my soul and my very body. I believe that if you were honest with yourself, you would see that Science has "Created" more off the wall theories than the Bible ever has, I believe that God gave us the capability to deduce and calculate and form theories based on facts, but look at science even 50 years ago you would see alot of crazy stuff thought to be fact and truth..but later "modified"
goclones123 6 months ago
goclones123
Science doesn't create theories, is discovers them!
The reason science was so different 50 yrs ago, is bcuz our scientific knowledge and abilities become advanced and more precise. Science modifying it's findings, is it's job! Don't confuse science modification with overturning all previous knowledge. For example, Evolution has come a long way, but the evidence substantiates it's premise. We are in fact, modern apes, demonstrated by genetics and transitional fossils!
Cootabux 4 months ago
@Cootabux Transitional fossils??? Really??? This is what drives my point earlier home, and thankyou for doing this. The "Theory" of transitional fossils is just that, theory. And it isn't Christians shooting down findings, it is Scientists more specificly Paleontologists, and not just skeptics, but those who write and lecture FOR evolution. You should read Prof. Robert Carroll's book/essay Patterns and Processes of Vertebrate Evolution...he would disagree with you on transitional fossils.
goclones123 4 months ago
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goclones123
Sorry for the late response.
Yes, really!
Of course there are "some" Paloes who attack Evolution, & I'd venture to say that most are Xians (Creationists). I'm not interested in a man who wrote a book, but the peer reviewed articles in major science journals. Also, any1 who can discount Evolution will have a Nobel prize, not to mention a lucrative career & book sales. Then we'd have all the Creationists who would make him rich.
So where is he and why hasn't he destroyed Evolution?
Cootabux 3 months ago
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goclones123
There is no theory of transitional fossils...only the Theory of Evolution and it is a "scientific" Theory, not a street use of theory, which is used as a guess, or a hypothesis! Do you know the difference?
You deny the existence of transitional fossils? Please explain this. I can take you to the Smithsonian Museum here in Washington and show you "real" transitional fossils. But if u can't make the trip, Google transitional whale fossils. Whale fossils are the best examples.
Cootabux 3 months ago
goclones123
It has nothing to do with what we'd like to believe. It has to do with evidence. If you believe a god exists, I'd luv to see you demonstrate that.
Of course there are consequences for our actions. That's why we have laws. Or do u believe laws aren't enough? You'd rather see a psychopath, such as the biblical gods, send people to hell for such offences as Apostasy? Is that your idea of justice? No being deserves hell, regardless of his offence. Hell isn't punishment, but evil & cruel.
Cootabux 6 months ago
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goclones123
U said; I think it is rather commonplace for us to believe that we are not forged by a mold of a supreme creator, for that allows us to believe that there are no consequences for our actions here on earth.
Well, we know for a fact that Evolution is true & that we weren't created fully formed in a Garden of Eden.
No consequences?? There are consequences for what we do, here & now. I make amends to those I hurt or cause any pain, & only need their forgiveness, not some ghost-god.
Cootabux 5 months ago
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goclones123
U said; "it matters little difference what we believe when it comes to God. Rather God is what He is, and if we cannot accept that, he is sad by our choices, but not changed by them."
U could've said the exact same thing about Saddam Hussein!! That is, if you're referring to the biblical god, who was a murdering machine, had a penchant for killing children, and loved the smell of burnt offerings...is that who you are talking about?
U made many clams, please substantiate them.
Cootabux 5 months ago
@goclones123 an all powerfull god would not require worship, it wouldn't require anything...humans create their own standards of how to be civil to each other, what is acceptible behavior and what is inapropriate, when it comes to all these "facts" about god...it has only the purpose for humans to dictate An absolute LAW and authority over another human being or civilization...and some of these LAWS advocate Dangerous behavior...such books belong in a bondfire because they spread poison
MadMAn12gauge 5 months ago
Hi Ed,
I've been busier with work in these past few months, more than I have been in many years! But getting back and spending a little time on YT, I wanted to visit and see how you were doing. I hope you are well.
Cootabux 6 months ago
well said man!
espnfan54 7 months ago
thank you for a convincing video, though heartbreaking. You see, my mother died of breast cancer when I was seven, and I really never knew my own mother. It is a great sadness to not have any hope of ever knowing the one who gave me life. I do hope I am wrong, but suspect otherwise. Your mother did a great job raising you as you are a good and decent man.
superjoe1949 7 months ago
I love you Mr. Tarte! :-)
lilrvrgrl69 7 months ago
Hello there edward tart theres just incorret information that you have spoken on this video , god is a loving god that gives every person on this part of world , in the bible it says god so loved the world that he sent his only beloved son to die on the cross to take away all our sins,To be truth im not liking your videos at all,if you where a preacher before how could jesus not give your mother a chance he gave your mother the chance to let him into her heart but she didtnt want to know him
jeromemissesSA 8 months ago
Just because Ed was a priest doesn't mean he had any relationship with God.
Why be concerned about your mother now maybe you feel guilty you could not live as christian example to your mom. Because that takes faith something I doubt you ever had. So I also doubt you will be standing before God someday talking on your mothers behalf. I know I wont be with everyone I love in heaven someday but I will be with the one who counts. GOD
tagbender 11 months ago
tagbender
U are in no position to judge who was or wasn't faithful enough. or Xian enough. Like Ed, I was a Xian 4 many years B4 studying the Judeo-Christian Religion more deeply than ever B4. That's how I became an atheist. And btw, if there is a hell, then god is evil! It's just that simple. There's no sane or just reason 4 eternal torment 4 any offense! Damning people to Hell, if it existed, would be sadistically cruel, & therefore evil. We are not to blame for Adam & Eve's disobedience
Cootabux 6 months ago
When I was 9 years old, my mother told me that I would be going to hell if I told a lie, and I told her that she'd be in hell too knowing that I'd be suffering. People condemn evil dictators to hell but that only makes them more barbaric than them because they're condemning an individual to ETERNAL torture, while everyone else who was tortured on earth gets eternal reward in heaven. it's just illogical! Your mother seemed wonderful and must've been very proud of you , and would be proud today.
BIJMOZ 11 months ago
I really like your style. It's like an acquired taste because it is very different from many other atheist videos I have seen in youtube.
I agree with you in everything you say in this video. I find it mesmerizing that this issue in the believe system of christians doesn't seem to pass through their minds at all, even when many of them have lost non-believing relatives also
sadrequiem 1 year ago
Thank you for making this video. And may your mother rest in the peace of immersion within the very substance of the cosmos. A fate more beautiful than could ever be described as a religious heaven.
DrkwrldAuthor 1 year ago
I admire your bravery in your none belief in a deity and will subscribe to your channel. An obviously sincere and intelligent man.
Brusselpicker 1 year ago 5
@Brusselpicker, thank you so much for your kind comment, and thank you also for subscribing.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing my friend..let us keep all of our loved ones in the heart. The god concept is the real hell..
Keep on sharing your great troughts and logic.
All the best
FranciscoKGuerreiro 1 year ago
I was at my mother's side when she died last April. There was no sense of the supernatural or Divine involved, she just faded away very muck like an ember when the red glow grows cold.
deepashtray 1 year ago
Hello Ed. It's been awhile. I just wanted to stop by a few of your videos and see how things are going.
I'm hoping and assuming your treatments have been successful?
Cootabux 1 year ago
lrmswift
No one says there was nothing before the Big Bang. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. We don't know what state the universe existed in before the BB, but I think it's totally incorrect to say it was nothing!
You are concluding that since you think there was nothing, it must have had a creator. This is incorrect.
You should study Cosmology and latest scientific views on the BB.
Cootabux 1 year ago
You kind of sound like a mild Jimmy Stewart. ;)
HarryIsTheGamingGeek 1 year ago
I really like your calm style , subscribed now and look forward to seeing more
PinkEyeTowlie 1 year ago
R.I.P Edward's mom, the awesomest mom next to mine ^_^
Bleachfanoftheyear 1 year ago
Excellent video. What theists do not understand is that the atheistic view that there are no gods is far more likely to be correct, and it is also more comforting. Theists believe that one can be tortured for all eternity. Atheists hold that life ends upon death. Like you, I'd rather not go to either mythological afterlife, since both would be torture for any rational individual. Heaven is supposedly great, but you need to be completely submissive to a rather unpleasant entity to go. No thanks.
ElJulioso 1 year ago
Hi Edward. I completely understand your problem with a God that would have your mother suffer eternal torment in "hell". This is not what a loving God should/would do. Nor is what any loving person would want to know whilst "enjoying" heaven - what kind of a "heaven" would that be? The problem is that the idea of hell being an "eternal torment" is false. This is a lie perpetuated by people who call themselves "Christian" yet do not listen to or know Jesus.
annazakiya 1 year ago
@annazakiya A famous passage from the bible reads "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life". Please note the "not perish". If a person repents of their sins and follows Jesus (Yahushua), their soul will have eternal life. If not, their soul will perish, that is, cease to exist. "Hell" is separation from God. Yes, the bible talks about "eternal hell fire" - this is the means by which the soul ceases to exist.
annazakiya 1 year ago
@annazakiya @annazakiya ... The "fire" is eternal, but the torment for the soul IS NOT. Your mother will not be in heaven with you, but she will not suffer eternal torment either - she simply will cease to exist. You seem to have thought much about this. If you are interested, I can provide you a link to an excellent video by a young man who explains in more detail why hell is not an "eternal torment". Thankyou, and I hope you come to know Yahushua as I now know Him.
annazakiya 1 year ago
@annazakiya The major problem with Christianity is that it doesn't say exactly anything with certainty. You say that because you want that to be what it means, other Christians who may know more or less than you about Christianity think there is no hell, some think there is no purgatory, you can't claim what Hell is because it's never defined, unless you look at Dante's Inferno, and if you believe the bible there is no reason not to believe Dante's Inferno.
chesterdjester 1 year ago
annazakiya
Has it ever occurred to u to wonder why we are told that we are born into condemnation? The story of Orig. Sin is 1 of the most senseless and unjust...in fact, evil is a better term, to describe what god did to Adam & Eve (id it were real, and it's not).
I can dismantle the story in minutes, showing how unfair and insane such an event would have been.
Bronze age scribes wrote the bible stories as an attempt to explain man's struggle with his animal nature, and to control him via fear.
Cootabux 1 year ago
God sent his only son to die for us - i am sorry you dont believe
redbutterflynine 1 year ago
redbutterflynine
U said;
"God sent his only son to die for us - i am sorry you dont believe"
Why would we believe it? Why would you?? There's no evidence for any of the bible's supernatural claims to be true. So why do you believe?
But you said jesus (god) died for us. No he didn't! What makes you think he suffered? A god can't die, correct?? Right now, according to scripture, god's in heaven running the show...forever..bcuz god's don't die...they live forever.
So repeat your comment!
Cootabux 1 year ago
C'est La Vie. But I'm sorry for your loss and here's to hoping that she was able to pass over peacefully. Looking forward to more of your videos.
Rubedo2k10 1 year ago
Hi Edward, I love my dead mother too. I found her dead of an overdose.. Anyone who tells you that your mother is in hell, does NOT know God! And her life was testimony to God, He does not condem those who don't know the truth! Only those who know the truth, and sin anyway... You will see her again!! Talk to God again, He's waiting for you!
InventorGorilla 1 year ago
@InventorGorilla, thank you for your comment. No, I won't see her again. I will not 'talk to God', because there is no god. No god is waiting for me. My mother no longer exists, and after I die I will no longer exist. Nor will you. There is no afterlife.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 36
@edwardtarte I used to think that as well!I was a purely logical, scientific,and proof driven thinker.Then I found my mother dead.When I walked into her room,I didn't see her,it was the horrible sound of her screaming that made me look down on the opposite side of the bed.Like it was coming from under the floor,I can still hear it when I shut everything else out!Demons pretended to be her ghost,MY CHILDREN SAW AND HEARD THEM!I spoke the name of our saviour,and it all stopped! watch my last video
InventorGorilla 1 year ago
@InventorGorilla Seek professional mental help.
tml4873 1 year ago
@tml4873 for what? Believeing in God? I don't think all unbelievers go to hell. Catholicism, I believe is satanic and leads to more unbelief than anything else. And, I do see a therapist! So yout intended insult, has no basis, nor does it bother me that you think I am crazy. I don't recall judging you, and recommending you do anything about what I have judged you for. I think its funny how, out of a couple comments, you have decided who I am. That is NOT rational, nor is it logical in any way!
InventorGorilla 1 year ago
@InventorGorilla On what basis did you determine my statement was intended as an insult, and not genuine concern for you and the safety of those around you? I do think you're crazy, but I don't think I'm alone in that thought, based on reading what you wrote. Dude, you're talking about demons and ghosts. Get help, and join us back here in reality.
tml4873 1 year ago
@tml4873 lol... so, anyone who talks about ghosts, or demons is crazy? and dangerous? That is insulting, and the fact that you don't see it, is pretty interesting in of itself. Believeing in other spacial dimensions other than the 3 we occupy, is not insane! In fact it is supported by mathamatics, and quantum theories. Think what you like! I know there is more! I have experienced, unexplained things. And I started therapy on my own accord, fearing the same. But I am not crazy, or dangerous.
InventorGorilla 1 year ago
@tml4873 ...cont.. and reality is a farse! It is dependant on observation,perception, and experiences of an individual. Since nobody processes these things exactly the same way, reality IS subjective. Take for instance a child, are they crazy, because they believe in childish things? Or are you crazy, for setting guidelines for reality, and pushing that idea onto others as truth? I think you are close minded, and I pity you! Blessings
InventorGorilla 1 year ago
@InventorGorilla Crazy is an overstatement, I admit. Delusional, certainly. It's always potentially dangerous to believe and base decisions on delusions. The connection you're trying to make between QED and mathematics to your demon haunted world is not there. Ask a quantum physicist what he thinks about it. If you've experienced unexplained things, that's all they are: unexplained. Instead of leaving it at that, you've inserted a magic explanation for which there is no evidence.
tml4873 1 year ago
@tml4873 ok? delusional then,I never said anything about a demon haunted world, that I can remember, but I have not inserted magic anywhere. Where in the bible does it say God is magic? And the lack of evidence does NOT prove or disprove anything. It's just unproven. not necessarily false. And I have asked a quantum physicist in a blog that I post on. And He said it was possible, for the hypothesized 'extra dimensions' to be a sort of heaven or hell, or just a space outside our perception.thanks
InventorGorilla 1 year ago
@edwardtarte Dear Edward, I offer this in all sincerity. What do you think about the many reports from individuals who physically died but report to doctors and loved ones that they were clearly conscious following physical death? There are many billions who subscribe to the idea of reincarnation. There are plenty of stories from children and adults who claim to have knowledge of a former life and can offer verifiable evidence to support their claims. What do you make of that?
dljones33 7 months ago
@InventorGorilla i love how you christians meddle with feeble minds that have been or are going through difficult/painful times in an attempt to suck them towards your idiotic religion..
luishomeroremohsiul 9 months ago 2
@luishomeroremohsiul I don't do that. I believe in election. I don't think we can bring anyone into a belief. I believe it is our responsibility to be comforting,supportive, and to listen more than we speak. And you are calling over 2/3 of the worlds population idiotic. Wich I feel is far worse than comforting another human being! I appreciate your sentiments, and agree that praying on the grief of a person for any cause is despicable. We prob. agree on a lot of things. You'd be surprised.
InventorGorilla 9 months ago
@InventorGorilla sensible, now i want you too google the countries which are the most prosperous, incorruptible, advanced and with high quality of life, then i want you to look up how many people from those countries practice any religion...
luishomeroremohsiul 9 months ago
eternal bliss in the afterlife is not a gift; it's a curse. just imagine living forever.. THAT will be the real hell. You'll want it to be over.. just watch philhellenes' "1000000000000000000000 in heaven".. u'll see what i mean
TheCrocoduck 1 year ago
Well said. If God would torture your loved ones and expect you to be ok with it, then He is unspeakably cruel.
OTOH, if you forget the memories of your loved ones when you are in heaven, then how can it be said that the person in heaven is still you? You are your thoughts, your emotions, your memories, and your actions - take away part of them and you are no longer you.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints - Billy Joel
AlanCFA 1 year ago
U RULE ED!
Pablo113 1 year ago
Ed, I feel for you. May your mother Rest in Peace. I am an Atheist like you. I dont believe in Hell.
Darwin Killed Yahweh and Jesus in 1859.
Pablo113 1 year ago
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777harvest 1 year ago
Your video's never get old.. Keep them coming YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!
kingofdaherbz 1 year ago
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777harvest 1 year ago
@777harvest When you say that you will pray for all of us, you act as if you are doing something productive, like you are doing a service to people for free. but in reality, all you are doing is talking to yourself and getting nothing REAL done at all. If God has a divine plan, and he wont change it just because you want it to change, then what is the purpose of prayer? anyways, have fun with your delusion until you are around 45 years old when you realize what you have really done.
sk1llshot 1 year ago
@TheOptimistPrime
You said; "the next day I'd awaken to powerful insight that was beyond any argument! That, to me, is God or Source!"
That's fine, for you, and U may be correct, but the problem is, we don't know that what we see in our minds is god, or if it's our brains doing what it does best..."thinking and problem solving!"
I guess the questions I have is; would u ever act on something U think god tells u in your mind?
Again, it's the personal, reward & punishment god I have issues with!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@TheOptimistPrime
That makes sense, & I can relate.
I'm Indian and my uncle taught me early on that the only way to the creator is from within. He also taught me to live by the Golden Rule. We didn't call it that but that's what it was. So I can relate to your "Infinite intelligence" concept. "But" that also is a theory & we have no evidence for even that one. I'd be happy if we did.
I guess I'm science/experience bound! I live by evidence. Bcuz a god could exist, doesn't mean it does.
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777harvest 1 year ago
@777harvest, I know from comments of Cootabux elsewhere that he does that not out of any disrespect but only to economize on numbers of characters typed.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte
Thanks Ed.
U know how common to use such shorthand. Some of us use Xians instead of Christians, just as we've used Xmas instead of Christmas. But what I find interesting is how some would see it as something demonic, simply cuz of the format or atmosphere of the commentary here. It's no surprise to me why so many Xians see satan around every corner!
I can't help but see religious thinking as potentially destructive to the believer & those they indoctrinate! I know they can't C it.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@777harvest
U have got to be kidding me!! U can't be serious?? Are U an adult? Are U ....sane?
I was a Xian for...oh, excuse me...I was a "CHRISTIAN" for over 50 yrs before I advanced to atheism, so I've been thru all of that.
Salvation? I don't believe I need salvation. That's bcuz I don't believe in orig. sin, nor hell, nor the Xian god. Know why? I read & studied the bible for the 1st time! What really disproved Xianity was the roots of Judaism!
Sorry, your religion was fabricated.
Cootabux 1 year ago
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777harvest 1 year ago
@777harvest
We aren't angry at people, only delusion! That's what you're in...delusion.
people become Xians 4 a number of reasons. Some do it to get over drugs. Then their religion becomes the drug.
I see people like U who r actually spreading lies & promoting an evil god. That is, if your god is the Xian one.
If U study scripture, U can't deny it. Well, U can, but I won't believe U, as I'm convinced most Xians are in denial..
As Ed has said, there isn't 1 shred of evidence your god exists.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@777harvest, you are incorrect that I am angry about God. I simply find no credible evidence that an god exists, as I clearly state in many of my videos. You are also incorrect in drawing the conclusion that I have been hurt.
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777harvest 1 year ago
@777harvest #1
Excuse me, but you continue to show your ignorance. In fact, it's willful ignorance & that's the worst kind.
You insult Ed ...all of us, by implying that other atheists influence his behavior , & in a negative way. You also accuse atheists of being naturally angry at god, yada, yada! So let me clear up your confusion once & for all.
Those of us who express anger, do it selectively! It's not aimed a god or any invisible hypothetical. It's directed at willful ignorance & denial!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@777harvest #3
intentionally ignoring, & often denying, sometimes defending, your divine source, your compassionate & loving, god, who routinely murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent women & children, even torturing animals, was misogynistic, & advocated the enslavement of human beings!!
So please sir, before u so quickly relegate us to the order of "those who are born angry at everything & everybody," take a few & just ponder the source of our "true" anger, & try again!!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@TheOptimistPrime
Most atheists I know, believe it's possible that this universe could've come into existence in other possible ways, than a ghost uttering a magic spell and making it all happen. The universe may have always existed in one form or another.
I don't see a thing unreasonable about that statement! In fact, I agree with it, as do most atheists I know.
We atheists admit we don't have all the answers, Xians say they do, yet all the available evidence opposes their view! What's yours?
Cootabux 1 year ago
Sad that "religion" leads people from a relationship with God, but that's the devils motive.
No disrespect, but It is beyond me how anyone with a brain can believe that "BANG!....the world and it's inhabitants were created." It was created by intelligent design. It was created by God.
The burden falls on you, using the bible and the "evidence" within, prove it's false and there is no God. Many former atheists have become believers trying to do so and gone on to do great things. Blessings.
777harvest 1 year ago
@777harvest
U said: "No disrespect, but It is beyond me how anyone with a brain can believe that "BANG!....the world and it's inhabitants were created."
Have u considered that the lack of a brain (I'll be nice & say "lack of understanding"), may in fact, be you're problem??
If U studied Cosmology, maybe U'd have some idea of how it came into existence. What I find hard to believe is how pple like U who don't know, conclude that a ghost in a robe wiggled his nose & "shazam" everything appeared!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@777harvest
I guess you just happen to "deny" that Evolution is true & instead believe that everything just..."BANG" came into existence all in one instant approx. 6,000 years ago??
I can't help wondering why 99.9% Xians just also happen to believe that Evolution is false! And the amazing thing is that they've never studied Evolution!! Think they might be extremely biased?
Whatever happened Xians honor, integrity, & humanity?? As an atheist, I can say that mine are still well intact, are yours?
Cootabux 1 year ago
God's children will not remember people who rejected God when we're in heaven, or it wouldn't be heaven. And Jesus is not to blame for the terrible things in the world; it's because of man's sin. But Jesus loves us, and has given us a way out by dieing for our sins, if we accept Him as our Savior. I pray your mother was saved before her death, because she is alive somewhere. As a mother, I believe she loved you and wishes she could tell you how wrong she was and that THERE IS A GOD.
777harvest 1 year ago
@777harvest, my mother no longer exists. No god exists. Nor does Jesus, nor does heaven, nor does hell. I say these things for the same reason that I say there is no small teapot circling the planet Uranus; there is no evidence. You make some stupendous claims in your comment, and the the burden of proof is on you to provide strong persuasive evidence for them. Neither you nor anybody else has evidence to support your stupendous claims.
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777harvest 1 year ago
@777harvest, of course I have heard of faith. Watch my videos: Evidence vs. Faith; Bible--Word of God.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@777harvest
Faith? You may as well asked, "haven't you ever heard of wishful thinking?"
You're talking to a man who was a priest! Just bcuz his views do not agree with yours, doesn't mean that his understanding and interpretations are wrong. I see you as being wrong.
If the bible were true, if the Xian god were real, prayer would be answered...and they're not, ever! I can prove that to you if you're up for it. Or are you only interested in reinforcing your belief, rather than finding the truth?
Cootabux 1 year ago
@777harvest
How old are u? I'm serious. I can't believe the things I'm reading from here r from an adult! And why is it that Xians, theists in general, are so vindictive & vengeful?? Even when I was a Xian, I'd see so much "vile" in Xians. I guess they take after ole Yahweh! Now there was a cruel & evil deity if there ever was.
Why are u all so quick to worship a Cosmic monster who enjoyed killing women & children, and liked the aroma of burnt offerings?? Btw, how can a ghost smell anything?
Cootabux 1 year ago
You are right. If alsimers (please forgive spelling) prevents someone from believing or forgetting to believe it does not seem fitting that they're evil god would cast them to hell. And I am sorry about your mother.
ThatsMrFrank 1 year ago
i can't wait for my eternal damnation =D
evi0blackeagle 1 year ago
@TheOptimistPrime I used to believe in God in the sense that I "experienced God". But I never thought of my God as having supernatural powers, only as something profound and ideal yet all around me.
Atheists shouldn't be afraid of such an experience or thinking that way. Religious people may have such an experience, but they somehow consider it evidence for dogma, a being with supernatural powers, punishing/loving.
toppinzr 1 year ago
For Christians, "I am saved" (personal salvation) is all that matters.
The rest of the world be damned - including the people they most love.
That is why I am beginning to find the idea of a "personal savior" a disgusting one.
amoxtlacatl 1 year ago
I don't understand how christains could go to heaven an worship the monster thats having their family members tortured forever that didn't make it.
nate31st 1 year ago 2
It's always so sweet to see older people talking about their parents.
theFriendlyHughes 1 year ago
"This heaven will be a psychological hell" - I've used this argument before, glad to see someone so eloquent say it as well.
If hell exists for people who simply don't believe, then countless friends and family are at risk. And if any one of them doesn't make it to heaven, then heaven would be a very dark place to spend eternity as you imagine their eternal screaming.
Surely an all-powerful deity can come up with something better than that!
jazzx251 1 year ago
if there was a god he wouldn't give a damn about your mother, or anyone else, who broke his 2 bit laws and refused to believe in his fig tree killing son who rode into town on 2 animals, gave the sermon on the mount on a plain, and had several different things to say right before his death. xtians will tell you that your mother belongs to god and he can do as it pleases him. tyrannical bastard/braindead followers. thoughtful vid, ed.
wp4866 1 year ago
@TheOptimistPrime, thank you for your kind response.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@TheOptimistPrime, your statement 'God is unconditional energy' makes no sense to me, because its meaning is obscure to me and whatever it means I find no evidence whatsoever to support it. I find your comment to be not very helpful.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 4
You are a powerful speaker due to your passion, honesty, and, knowledge. Thank you for your effort to help those who are squandering their life in a fantasy with fear at its core and the dismissal of the welfare of humanity its consequence.
MindAndMarzipan 1 year ago
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light" - Jesus
travro25 1 year ago
@travro25, so what specifically do you think of what I say in this video about my mother?
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@travro25 "I am the way, the truth and the light" - Me ...want to believe in me?
Tugeagon 1 year ago
@Tugeagon - when you die and resurrect and walk the earth in front of 500+ witnesses, when your works, deeds, and quotes are recorded and withstanding the test of time, scrutiny, and persecution, and when I see your promises working in the lives of people today, then I will believe in you. Until then false prophet, no.
travro25 1 year ago
@travro25 - The story and his quotes were not recorded whilst he was alive (if he existed). the closest anyone gets is 4-5 decades after the supposed resurrection. As for working through people's lives, people can't be trusted, they either lie or are deluded. What test of time?! there have been no tests.. just blind faith.
Tugeagon 1 year ago
@Tugeagon actually they were recorded verbally because writing in those days was not as developed and widespread, and the epistles and gospels were written at the earliest a decade after his ressurrection by peopel who new him personally within the lifespans of the hundreds of witnesses that saw him return, I'm wasting time again with yet another arrogant agnostic whose goal is to find fallibility in anyone other than himself. Blind faith? I don't see the wind, true, but I see its effects.
travro25 1 year ago
@travro25
The problem is, as far as we know, none of what you state here has ever happened. If you have verifiable info. that it has, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Btw, my peoples recordings are much older than the biblical ones, does that mean they more valid...or valid at all? No!
If you're gonna study Xianity, I suggest you start with it's foundation, the roots of Judaism. You'll be shocked at what you'll find. Then tell me of the truth of your religion.
Cootabux 1 year ago
I've spoken to a few hard line christians on here regarding my mothers non belief in God ( dispite her kind and loving nature), they have no qualms in telling me they she will burn in eternal hell unless she accepts christ.
bonnie43uk 1 year ago
Edward,
I'm impressed that you tried religion but saw it for what it really is., i.e superstitious nonsense. I'm sure your mother would be proud of you had she been able to see the full picture.
best wishes,
Steve.
SteveMallison 1 year ago
I´ll tell you what. If your mom is in hell, I´ll pass on my ticket to heaven, should I get entry, which is quite doubtful, I´ll join you in hell too.
I held my grandmas in very high regard as well and if they are spending eternity in hell,then I´d rather spend it there.
If this is true, then the devil in the bible is actually right and God is not fit to rule the universe.
I dont believe any of it to be true atm though, so it´s not my problem. But this is what I see if it is true.
Korkzor 1 year ago
What beautiful way you speak of your mother, through you and your beautiful words, her memory lives on and you are doing her justice.
Please don't let the words of some misguided individuals tarnish that. You are doing her justice by spreading your message of a rational, evidence-based outlook of life.
Thank you for sharing this little part of you with us.
simsi1616 1 year ago
@simsi1616 Im waiting to see the evidence he provides.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 There is no way to provide evidence for the nonexistence of god. It is the people making that claim, namely that god DOES exist, that need to provide the proof. Unfortunately for them, after thousands of years, religion has not been able to provide one single empirical fact to attest to that matter.
I'm afraid that is a major fail.
simsi1616 1 year ago
@simsi1616, thank you so much for this comment. I wish you the very best in your medical studies. I would not be the least bit surprised if you become a very fine, caring, compassionate doctor.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
I'm with you ed life is great when you don't have to live with the chain of belief around your neck. Although for me I've been an atheist since i was 14 or so for 45 years i've been free of those crazy thought. Enjoy life
richardmoz 1 year ago
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Search and watch the miracles of the Quran if you find time. May allah guide you before it is to late.
And if not, then we will all find out who was wrong and who was right after we have died. Upon there is no return and each person will have to bear the burden of his own soul and how he made use of this life, no one else.
I declare that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, and muhammed (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) were his messengers. As well as all of the other messengers.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008, there is no Allah. There is no god of any sort. There is no life after death. After death we will not find out anything. All the 'finding out', we must do before we die.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 17
@edwardtarte OK, I take your comment on board sir. Are you able to prove this for me please? As you are Very right, we MUST do all the finding out before we die.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
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This was very touching, but on that day of judgment when you are brought before God, and IF you were going to Heaven, the love for your mother as you know it now would be non-existant.
She would neither be concerned for your well being, or where you are going to end up, neither would you for her.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008, there is not a shred of evidence for what you say. And if Heaven did exist and were like that, obliterating from my mind all memories of the love that I experienced on earth, I would not be interested in being there. What you said in your comment is totally disgusting to me.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 24
@edwardtarte There is ample evidence, you need look no further that your own body. Now, If I told you that my computer, over millions of years formed itself through time and materials both hardware and software coming together by coincidence, you wold say I was crazy. I mean, maybe there is a chance that the hardware components would slot together by chance, but what about the operating system?? and the programs on it? They have been intelligently designed.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 Yet even with this level of intelligence in it, there are still constant problems and fixes being released.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 I mean, my machine can't fix itself. Now you say your a rational thinker, but your body is perfectly designed, never do you need to worry about your involantary muscles working, like your heart, etc, they just do. If you get ill, your immune system battles it out for you, if you cut yourself, it heals itself.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 This is just the human body, not to mention the rest of the animal and plant kingdom, the earth and planets in their perfectly balanced orbit, never getting 2 days running consecutively or 2 nights!! But you but all this down to chance? And you call that rational thinking.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 Such a shallow mentality. Such a convienient copout. You completely missed his point about about how your dogma denies human emotion. YOU continue to waste this life and the opportunities it presents you with. You just made his point in front of everyone!
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
@Stromatolite577 I don't quite understand how that makes my mentality shallow, lol. Emotions are a blessing from God, its what makes us unique. However, nobody will wish themselves into hell just because a loved one is there. It is sad, I know that, but on that day, you would ransom your whole family and all thats on this earth if it would save you from that punishment. Something your little brain can't and won't comprehend until you are put in front of it.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 Your mentality is shallow when you are presented with a genuine example of good in people and write it all off with standardized dogma. All of the declarative statements you have made so far are baseless. As you have been told, there is no evidence for what you declare as fact. As for evidence, as you say, it is all around you. If you want to understand what you see, get a formal education and stop living a fantasy. Its that simple really.
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
@Stromatolite577 See definition of Dogma, is a religious belief that has no evidence. Have you read the Quran, and studied its scientific statements before writing it off? I have put in the effort to read Charles Darwin Origin Of Species before writing the THEORY off. I think your the one who needs educating. How can you deny something you know nothing about??? So can you explain the evidence that is all around me, and what it is evidence for??
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 This is a common tactic of those who proponents for living in a fantasy world. I don't normally play this game but for the benefit of those reading this thread; Yes I have read much of the quran and I have lived in the middle east. I doubt seriously that you have read Origin of Species, but if you did, it is unlikely you understood it. Your comments speak to your level of education and understanding. You want it explained to you here? Earn your own education!
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
@Stromatolite577 Well I'm not playing a game either my friend. I think you will find I have read the origin of species and understood it. though I doubt you understood what you read of the quran. There are atheist and non-muslim scientists who have studied the scientific miracles of the quran. They can appreciate the details mentioned in the quran, as they realise how recent they have only discovered recent facts.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@Stromatolite577 I don't need people like you to educate me here, neither am I looking to be educated here, lol. Good luck in where ever your life takes you. May be both succeed in our paths to education ;)
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 Clearly you are not looking to be educated in any form. Your choice. Recognize that when you spout your religious fantansies, many more rational people understand the vicious sadism that is inherent in the abrahamic "faiths" and will be repelled by your comments. Best of luck to you; I do hope you get an education.
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 "Have you read the Quran, and studied its scientific statements before writing it off?" As a matter of fact, I HAVE read the Quran, and studied all the "scientific facts" it claims to describe, and I'm amazed that muslims are so scientifically ignorant so as to not realize how inaccurate those "facts" are. I suggest you study real science and THEN reexamine those claims.
simsi1616 1 year ago
@simsi1616 Really, I suppose you understand embryology and anatomy better than Professor Keith L. Moore, who also studied the details mentioned in the quran on these subjects, and appreciates the detail and how it was not possible for anyone to provide such detail in the time it was revealed, accept if it was from the creator. I doubt you have studied any of the quran in detail.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 Actually, I have a degree in biology and am currently a medical student, and so I have a pretty good understanding of embryology and anatomy. I have also studied the "scientific" claims made in the quran, and they are flawed my dear, very flawed. The knowledge in the quran is consistent with what was believed at the time, but modern science has since proven many of those beliefs to be false.
simsi1616 1 year ago
@simsi1616 but please give me details of a science book you suggest I should read, why not try and save me from living this fantasy you claim I live??
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 The cartoon guide to genetics. Your inner fish. The god delusion.
That's three books I highly recommend you read.
farvision 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 you want a science book to read? A good start would be Campbell's Biology text book, it's a great entry level tome that covers a wide range of topics and explains scientific principles in fairly easy terms.
Let me know when you're done reading it.
Ps. I'm currently in the process of reading the quran (which will be followed by the hadiths) and I must say much of what I'm reading is barbaric and pretty pathetic.
simsi1616 1 year ago
@Stromatolite577 There is clear evidence for a divine creator, and you guys can't prove to me that there isn't. But I am open to a intelligent and convincing response with evidence to prove me wrong please.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008
You can't prove I haven't just had an actual conversation with Zeus, Odin, and the Tooth Fairy. Does that count as evidence that Zeus, Odin, and the Tooth Fairy are real?
bowlsallbroken 1 year ago
@bowlsallbroken I said I was waiting for an intelligent response. See I provide a clear argument explaining the abundant evidence that this universe and everything in it can't be down to chance. Do you actuallt know what the probability of it all happening by chance is?? Go and do some research and find out. You argument just shows your lack of knowledge. Shame, maybe you should go do some reading my friend. lol.
3zzi32008 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 "Do you actuallt know what the probability of it all happening by chance is??" The fact that you think that the universe and everything inside it is a product of CHANCE simply shows your glaring ignorance on the matter. I suggest you follow your own advice and do some reading, and try a real science book this time.
simsi1616 1 year ago
@3zzi32008 Again, this is common: to simply declare there is evidence of a divine creator does not in any empirical way prove there is. The bar you set for "proof" is apparently very low. To understand biological science beyond a very basic level, you need some understanding of the physical sciences: physics, chemistry, genetics and so forth. Go to college and work to achieve this. Don't expect anyone to spend the time to educate you in this forum.
Stromatolite577 1 year ago
Edward: Some of us have had the unique good fortune of having spectacular mothers.Your story of your encounter with god in heaven etc is excellent. I'm sure Christians can come up with innumerable solutions of one type or another.The main point is, there is really no imperative to answer to theists. I was raised as a Catholic, and despite my break with them at about age 13, I still feel the need to argue with them.But I know it is pointless. I'm glad you had a good mother. What a blessing(!)
URInTheVillage 1 year ago
aw edward, ur mom sounds like a very sweet woman. the way u described her, ther's no way she could be in hell.
MultiRump 1 year ago
I think there are people out there who wouldn't be happy in heaven because of its holiness, elusiveness of sin, and pristine light.. Hell is a dark tolerate place of darkness and horror, it's mouth is open for all who have no desire for God. Some would be more at home there.
When we die we will understand at that moment that we got what we deserved.
peachbeachsouth 1 year ago
@peachbeachsouth, No one deserves eternal torture. There should be proportionality between offense and punishment. Watch my Hell video. If anybody would go to hell, that person would not be getting what he or she deserved.
edwardtarte 1 year ago
@edwardtarte ... You are kicking against a stone wall since your words and opinions cannot truly change what will truly be in eternity, although you can proclaim them all day long if you wish.
peachbeachsouth 1 year ago
@peachbeachsouth,I am not trying to 'change what will be in eternity'.I am trying to understand reality based on evidence and rational thought, and to communicate that with others.I spent much time and effort in early adulthood promoting delusion and superstition, and I am very ashamed of that fact. I am now trying to make up for that.I hope viewers of my videos will apply careful thought to what I say.I find no credible evidence for 'eternity'--for any conscious existence beyond death.
edwardtarte 1 year ago 5
@edwardtarte When I look around at the awesome order of things in this glorious creation I find it impossible to deny God. He said in His word, "The whole earth is filled with the glory of God." For me it would take a lot more faith to believe otherwise.
peachbeachsouth 1 year ago
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A lot of people...and books, say a lot of things. I see you pick & choose what best supports your fantasy.
U say u see such order that there must be a god. If we were designed, along with the universe, that certainly doesn't default 2 a ghost floating around overhead who waved his magic wand, bringing it all into existence. Funny that you choose to believe in that particular god as the creator.
If god cre