I used to practice wing chun do which under James Demile but I forgot A LOT. Thinking of going back to it but under a different school. Wing Chun is my favorite of all martial arts for the exact reasons that you demonstrated in this video.
Instead controlling your opponent without need of regimented pattern of teachings..So you can Adapt,Control and Respond to an Opponent be it on Street or in competition..
Like all Ideal arts.. It enables you to Transcend conventual thinking of martial arts..If you watch closely in an active match (street or competition ) the eyes of the pure martial artist (the pupils ) seems un aware of the surroundings... Why,,, Because it is ignored in favor of listening !!
I don't practice wing chun, but the concepts you talked about really transcends barriers between most styles of martial arts. In every mid-closerange art (standup and grappling) the idea of "listening" is very important. i never thought of reading my opponent that way but its like you said, you need to listen first to give the correct answer. anything else like flashy pattern training turns it into guesswork and guessed answers in a fight are wrong answers
@luctator369 I highly doubt a person will be able to throw a cross like chuck lidell and if chuck lidell himself threw a cross at a wing chun practicioner he is leaving himself exposed for an attack we would close the gap and attack before he can punch. just follow the basic rules and principles and wing chun works against any attack
that makes alot of sense, cause when i do sensitivity drills and my partner is off balance then its easier to punch,kick, or put them in a headlock. good stuff keep up the good work.
I am practising wing tsun for about 9 month n i think its good ;) i do like the movements , i love the chi sao training ( even if i dont train it cause iam low ranked) and i think its really useful... I am in the wteo avci wing tsun.... My question is...? If i meet a boxer or kick-boxer or thai-boxer on the street, how shall i defend myself properly?? question of knowledge...
Chinaboxer, you are truly a student of the art. It shows in your instruction. You are helping to create a more conscious and better skilled generation of martial artists, and for that I thank you.
Thx alot Jin!! all of your videos is very useful for the beginner like me. I wondering how long that you practice in wingchun? also May I know who is your sifu? and the last thing "Im a Big Fan of your" and very apreciate for all of your videos.
hi! I started practicing tanglang quan and I realized that the practice of chi sao is quite different in wing chun and wushu (mantis). Is it? I really don't know what I'm talking about...
hi! I started practicing tanglang quan and I realized that the practice of chi sao is quite different in wing chun and wushu (mantis). Is it? I really don't know what I'm talking about...
Once you have the listening skill firmly in your grasp, you will be able to apply it to any fighting art you practice. Taken to a higher level you will be able to feel another's emotional intent and head off action before it even starts. But it all starts with chi sao.
hey hve a que 4 ya..how can i do chi sau alone?there's nobody interested enough around,i worked tan sau with the underside of the table and it worked,
but for othes no idea..little help plz.....tnx man
Great channel!! great explanations of applications, principles and techniques. Evidently have you seen/what do you think of 138mws (channel) aka Master Wong? i have been watching his vids for a while and he seems to be doing something similar to you. I havent done any wing chun but i am becoming more and more impressed with it in regards to real life application. partly thanks to your channel!
@LearnMartialArts Practicing defensive drills, covering the area instead of chasing the hand, and learning to use your peripheral vision to see the slight body movements that tell you when and where the other person is going to punch, before the punch is thrown. Once contact is made then the chi sao practice allows one to react through feel and not by sight, so your reaction time is much faster than actually having to rely primarily on vision.
@abshalom7 thx dude. But some people may fake a punch and I may get tricked. They will follow up wif punches. If we anticipate, wont we get tricked? lols
@LearnMartialArts We are always attacking and covering at the same time. So if I cover and attack you and you're wasting time with a fake, I'm not, and you still get hit.
@LearnMartialArts If you've ever played chess, a fake is like a wasted chess move. Good wing chun doesn't chase the attacker's hand, it just covers the area that is being attacked, and at the same time I should be taking offensive action towards the opponent. My offensive action must be defended at the same time my opponent is faking, so his fake has become his weakness, a wasted, second, a wasted beat of rhythm, where he has gained no advantage as long as I have maintained my structure.
If you are "listening" with your arm but your opponent is not providing you with an easy answer do you think its suitable to just ask a question with your legs instead? I.e if you step to the side and block (like you were in at the 1:55 mark) and he doesn't give you any wrong energy, can you just try to stamp through his knee?
you are the first person to teach me something usefull such as the listening skill and attack when of balance I did thai box and ninjutsu offensive MA but wing chun and just you are awesome thnx for uploading
@chinaboxer I respectfully have a question about a small part of your technique. At 2:45 into video it seems you go straight to the opponent without dealing with the other hand, yet it would seem that if the next punch was a wide hook punch, you would want to cover with your right and attack with the left. Otherwise you might end up trading blows, which even though you have advantage in structure, if he is a huge opponent, he may hurt you at the same time. How does the technique avoid this?
It depends on the feeling of the moment, but properly attacking the center (with a proper strike that off balances the opponent and that hits him first before he hits you, that's the caveat) steals power and strength from the oppenents strike. So even if he catches you with that hook, there's no power. Of course yeah, if your fighting like Brock Lesner and you're just a wimp like me, yeah it might suck juice from his hook, but what's remaining is probably enough to do me in--so Bil Jee!
I realize that I'm not Chinaboxer, but I do have a reply to your question. The answer is that the technique alone is not enough. The technique was demonstrated on a partner with similar structural characteristics to the instructor.
If you are dealing with a larger stronger opponent then you have to change your approach. The real technique is in feeling the other's actions and taking control away from them.
Any technique used only has value if applied in the proper context.
I always knew that chi sao helps develop hand sensitivity but I never thought about its application in this way. Thanks a ton, Jin, this makes a lot of sense. No more "setup movement" for me!
Pardon me asking again, I hope I do not trouble you. At the school, we practised kicks to counter a head on attack. When doing this, I would always feel "safer" if I would use a tan sau simultaneously. Yet, given that the reach of the kick is greater than the reach of the arm, I can not use the tan sau as an attack towards the center.
My teacher approved of it. Any comments you might have? Is this chasing hands in a sense? Should I just stay to the kick or use an extra shield?
i'm having a hard time understanding your question. the kick is just a means for you to get to "medium range", because in classic wing chun, the hands are the primary weapons. in other words, don't think of the kick as a "counter" to an attack, think of it as a means of getting to "medium range" as quickly as possible. this also means that your hands must be covering your center and ready to go once you've "bridged the gap".
so the "shape" of the hands isn't near as important as maintaining your center. so use whatever works for you at the time, such as tan sau, wu sau, bong sau, whatever sau! =D
His second question is, "is such blocking not suitable for quick punchers like a pro fighter would be?"
We both thank you beforehand! :-)
p.s
I disagree with him, honestly, but I can not explain why on this second question and maybe in the 1st I was wrong. But I know the feel of the glove, practiced muai thai a lot back in the day...
Question 2 - i can't speak for anyone else, but the way i teach, there is no "blocking". i am working on a video on dealing with a boxers punching method because as your friend pointed out, they are fast, very precise and they return the hand before you know it. that's why i say, DON'T EVER CHASE YOUR OPPONENTS HAND....ever. good questions. keep watching the tutorial and eventually your questions will get addressed. peace!
Thanks! I told hm what you say, that one should not try to block.
All I can make out this far is.
Wing Chun practitioner attacks the center, and leaves the other side "shape" him into a defensive maneuver that the attacker wouldn't normally like if their hands meet halfway. And for that to happen all the stuff (correct structure etc) you say must be implemented.
I hope I did not understand you wrongly. Pardon me if this is the case, and honestly thanks again.
A friend of mine has 2 questions for you. We debate this now.
Question 1
He views wing chun blocking as ineffective because he does not see it in UFC etc. He asks "why don't they use it there if it is so good?"
My point of view is that this happens because they wear small gloves (lessens the pain of blocking head on) and because simply they never trained in it. What would be your opinion?
Question 1 - firstly, the way i teach wing chun, there is no "blocking". as to why the UFC doesn't have wing chun incorporated into it, it's a good question. IMO, it's because in the "court of MMA" they want proof that it's effective for the ring first before they incorporate it.
but again this is only my opinion, you have to ask this question, how many people study wing chun? how many of those, actually study developing the body vs. developing the hand? how many of those left actually train against "high level" boxers, grapplers, wrestlers on a weekly basis to sharpen their skills? finally, how many of those left have the drive and desire to compete in the ring?
one of my goals is to develop solid "modified" wing chun fighters who fight using a single method regardless of what range they are in and get into the ring and compete.
@chinaboxer I think that you have nailed part of the answer to why one doesn't see many "classical" techniques in UFC type events. The other reason is that in most schools of Wing Chun (indeed many so-called classical arts) they have not adopted the sport training program and still keep it largely to a species of one step sparring predicated on facing an opponent that utilizes the same style. This makes it hard to pull off the skills developed in real time, in an agressive situation.
Why wouldnt you train/spar with people who also do WC? If you trust, as I and (hopefully) most other WC people, that WC is the best method of self-defense - then you wouldn be training/sparring against the best. I would rather train against a strong WCer thanstrong MMAer, as I think WC is superior. and thats not limiting what i train for - training against the most dangerous opponent! so what if he doesnt try sweep my legs or grapple me - if hes doing WC, he can hurt me faster and more easily
I've simply not seen a lot of WCers that I thought could pull off WC techniques in real time. This is simply because most of the WC training modality approximates dry land swimming. I say this as a guy with a lot respect for and training time in the art. The simple fact though is that many WC people are developing some technical skills but not the fighters eye, as Mark Denny calls it.
To continue, I think that this situation will change though. The trick is simply to adopt the sport/progressive training model of training as well as the other trainng methods I think. Look at Lyoto Machida for instance. Anderson Silva brings a host of "classical" skills to the ring, and because of the training method, can pull off all kinds of stuff that, were you to see it in a demo, might cause you to raise a skeptical eyebrow.
@chinaboxer And if I may add one more observation. I only half jokingly remarked to a WC sifu friend of mine that if you want to see many of the principles of WC in action, you need look no further than Randy Coutures upright skills (especially in the first Liddel match). Randy throws sharp, crisp straight punches most of the time, dominates the center, and consistently crashes into people to affect a clinch. In Randy you see many of the principles of WC to dramatic effect.
hey bro, yeah, i agree that over time, more people will study not just wing chun but other classical martial arts and incorporate it into the ring/cage. you're observation of Randy Couture is interesting, although he doesn't do wing chun per se, he does utilize many of the same "concepts & principles" as you pointed out.
@Godsmasher22 Randy couture uses boxing and dirty boxing, not wingchun. sorry my friend but kungfu/wushu have been proven impractical in a no hold barred unarmed combat situation.
@Mrthouroug You misinterpreted my point. I was in no way saying that Randy did WC. My point was that if you wanted to see what good WC looked like, one could do worse than to look at Randy. His punching tends to be tight and down the center and his kicks low and economical. My larger point was that the princples are sound, and I made that point by saying, "Look at Randy." Even many of the techniques are sound. The training methodology of WC is what, on the whole, is what is lacking.
@Godsmasher22 I think couture may also use what very closely resembles a segment of a WC "pass" (forgive me i dont know names, i dont do WC) as a guard to transition from long and mid range to grappling range.
Question continued... If I was to use WC in the street or ring would I wait for the opponent to attack first and then counter? Is the application of Wing Chun on the street would it look like Jeet Koon Do? How do you know if your Wing Chun punch is correct? I have been practicing my Wing Chun punches for many years and wanted to know how to know if it has the correct power and form. Thank You
this is really difficult to answer without seeing you perform the punch. also understand that "classic" wing chun (for self defense in the street) and JKD (modified wing chun utilizing other methods of martial arts) are completely different in nature. it's a good question.
Hello Sifu Jin, I have a question about Wing Chun that has confused me for many years, and I want to ask you as your insight in WC is tremendous. My question is how would a person use wing chun in the street? How would your stance look? Thank You
your stance and footwork are no different than your hands. focus on the concepts and principles and then whatever your stance happens to look like, that's how it should be.
2.25 He says no need to block & leaves the opponents left hand free. Anyone with a percent of talent would return the favor by hooking & punching with the unchecked hand.
In reality one uses the sensitized right forearm to stick to the opponents left free arm & controls it while punching.
The idea he has to be off balance disregards the physics of the interactions. Chi sau is to enable the listening to accompanying great physics of interaction, then the spontaneity is a ceretainty. TY
may i add something also. ur structure is really good and you can make it even better by using "rising energy". it gives you that lifting power as an edge. my sihing call it sponge i call it a spring.. absorb then rise together with your hand techniques or movements making it doubly powerful.
i am glad to know u r different from others who think their wing chun is the best one and everyone else is wrong. i am learning a lot from you jin sifu, thank you.
yea, this is a bit more of an intermediate subject but something that i will get into in my website, we refer it to as "high to low" or "low to high". take care and peace!
that is good to hear. jin is a great teacher where he explains everything in great details. no secrets no reserves.
i give u another tip. there are styles out there that studies your style then find a way to counter it. so they have a counter to your move but u dont have a counter 2 their move/s.
example i have a counter to ur structure. its not structure against structure but a complete surprise.ur own strong structure defeated u.sori 2 sound like a puzzle but NOT if u know what it is.respect
your opinions, observations and criticisms are very important to me. so of course i want to hear what everyone has to say. remember that i am not here to convert anyone to my method. that isn't my goal, i only put up this tutorial as a means of sharing what works for me at this time. and who knows, i'm sure that it will change as i continue forward on my martial arts journey. take care and peace!
what if u try to break his structure but he broke yours instead. does it mean u r dead?
i hate to think if u dont have a counter for that.
also..
i can see that u r fast & very effective. i have been watching u BUT now u r becoming predictable. its good for a beginner to follow u but u become sitting duck because your techniques become too open. i can see that danger. just sharing what i think,
u open up a bit more then u dont have any defence left.
thanks for your concerns, i'm not exactly sure what your question is, but i think i know what you're trying to say, because i used to think the same way. hopefully, i can explain this in an upcoming video about "chasing the center" which is a very complex subject. take care and peace!
Just wanted to say that I know what you are talking about, but remember this is a tutorial video demonstrating the principles to focus on when training, chi sao is only a drill for development so there is room for focusing on different aspects, etc.. Also regarding losing your structure, in a real fighting situation it is always possible to lose it, but then you regain your structure, line, etc. The counter is constant adjustment to the changing situation. Still a great vid chinaboxer.
jin is the best teacher in youtube but he is in danger also of being too exposed. i studied different branches(styles) in wing chun. jin's is just 1 of many. jin is great but there are other styles that is more than what he is teaching. thats what i mean. we've seen jins style but not others with different n equally great moves. i made this warning because i like jin n if i can see whats happening others can also. hopefully not many will see it.
No need to stay quiet, this is a good place to post different views, it's all part of learning. I was just saying that this is an educational video in only one part. I think Jin is a great teacher and martial artist as well. I have trained with some incredible Wing Chun practioners that can wipe the floor with me in seconds all by applying the principles of Wing Chun to the changing situation. It's good to point out things you see, Chinaboxer is humble and I'm sure doesn't take offense.
Especially the "not chasing hands but the center" and also very important the "listening to know basically when to deliver the weight". I was thinking recently that this is exactly what I need to practice more these days.
although i call these "basics", they are the heart of what i believe makes wing chun movements work, or any internal martial art that relies on touch sensitivity. and it's the simple stuff that is the hardest to master and what i feel is the highest form of art. keep me posted on your progress. peace!
i agree with you, listening allows you to find the right movement to control someone. thanks for the encouraging words.
remember too, that my method is also changing, growing, etc..so things may or may not change in the future. this is only what works for me at this moment in time, who knows what my method will be in the future. but the fun part is the journey of realization. peace!
I know you have more experience than you help, however where was structure or balance lost when you made your assistant off balance? Was his backpack not on? Pelvic not forward?
there's nothing wrong with his structure. you can't see what i'm doing because these are changes that are done on the "inside" rather than the "outside". we'll get into that subject in the future. peace!
Have you ever heard of an exercise called "san sao"? I think it's supposed to be related to that distance fighting thing, but I don't really know how it works.
He may be referring to a drill san sao where we start from a distance and one person closes the gap and attacks while the other defends. We use this to develop flowing hands with basic structure, positioning and timing. Most systems probably use this although they may just have different names for the drill. After all there are many drills all for the same purpose to help develop the principles and concepts and hopefully a few of them will sink in.
I think you're right about the 'unbalancing' concept... This can be in the obvious physical sense that you mention in the video... But widening the concept: feinting an opponent is also unbalancing in a mental sense. As is any technique that upsets his composure or confidence. Furthermore If through feinting or footwork or technique your opponent is manoeuvred into a less favourable position this is unbalancing his 'strategy'. All within the remit of the word definition I think.
yea, i've been thinking alot on the broader aspects of the "unbalancing" concept as well. it goes back to what i've said before, "if you focus on technique, your knowledge becomes wide, but if you focus on movement and the concepts and principles that make it work, then your knowledge goes deep." nice observation. peace!
Yup. Just learning a whole set of techniques is like having too many tools on your desk - you end up having no space to actually do your work.
Or if you manage to make a little space then it's next to impossible to find the right tool at the right time and you end up trying to hit a nail with a pliers (you may get away with it... sometimes)
Bad teachers teach endless techniques to kee you in a perpetual state of need -
(as you said in an earlier video) they give the fish, not the fishing rod.
Which is not to say 'technique' is anathema. Sound 'technique' to me is the 'bringing out' of concepts and principles from the mental to the physical realm through application and testing.
It's a feedback mechanism allowing organic change and growth in one's mental concepts. A task which should seek to unify, not divide.
I think motofox has missed his calling - he should put out a series of video tutorials instructing people in the delicate arts of being a tedious asswipe, a cretinous jerkoff, a feeble-minded toss monkey and a donkey violating bear rapist...Now why don't you shut the motherfuck up?
Seems like Mofotox has not decided what he thinks of you Chinaboxer, guess that is a good thing and credit to you, since Mofo is quite fast at smashing what he does not approve of as proper WC.
I agree that CS should not be seen as competitive, because no matter how good you are, you will look quite limited when touching hands with someone better; skilled when touching the hands of a student; and average when engaging a peer.
All my respect, Sifu Jin. Your videos are amazingly clear and useful. Focusing about principles is the key, in my huble opinion. I really wish I could get lessons from you in real life. Greets from an italian wc practitioner. Peace!!! :))
Right about preset routines. However, 'you can not attack until you control your opponents balanced'? Define balance (if it meant more than bodily) boy! Your opponent can be in perfect balance yet you can attack when there is special opening, energy flow opening. You can do a set up before an attack while the other dude is in balance. But enough BS, I want 2 c u do CS with someone equal, not a pee-on so I can see your true skill boy.
lol..i can always count on you to put a smile on my face. =D
my chi sau skill is really a moot point, my "level" of skill is not near as important as the understanding of the concept. because there's always going to be someone better than you or I, so i don't look at chi sau training as a competition but rather a way of getting a deeper understanding of the concepts and principles.
what you are referring too in your comment is a more subtle way of attacking which has to do with adjusting yourself rather than your opponent, which is a bit more advanced. but good observation as always. another thumbs up for you! =D
As a fellow Wing Chun practitioner and martial artist for over 25 years I have to say good job. You have left the ego at the door and your understanding of the concepts and principles are right on. I agree everyone is different and you have to find "your" Wing Chun. Stay humble and continue to be a good example of Martial Ethics and you will continue to help others find their own path. The best part is there is no end to refining ourselves.
i agree with you, sir. Chinaboxer is an example of the way every martial artist is supposed to be: ethical, patient, intelligent, disciplined and... HUMBLE!
All the old Hsing I quan masters stressed humility in their advice. Every single one of them. Makes me wonder how almost all martial artists have so much ego after claiming to have talked to and read the work of great masters? most of them were humble gentlemen. Of these people, Ip man and Shoshin Nagamine come to mind, namely.
wasting your time writing to a lesser being such as mofotox. he thinks that people are impressed by his psuedo intellect. He is what most would refer to as a Troll. There's an old saying in martial arts forums, "Don't feed the trolls." Just ignore him and he will go away.
Well said, I like your screen name very cool. This is a great way for people to communicate and share information and opinions. I'm not much for writing in the forums, but I agree it should be done with respect to martial arts and to chinaboxer who put himself out there in front of the world to share his experience with others. I have visited most Wing Chun sites/vids and was impressed with Jin because of his sincerity and honesty and as said before a great example of Martial Ethics.
hehe thanks, i choose this screen name due to the fact that i am still learning and growing and my wing chun will "suck" until i am very very old. The more you "suck" the more potential/room you have for development. Once you think that you are "good" you have already disrupted your ability to grow. In otherword less Ego good and more Ego bad. (not Freudian Ego but the layman terms) Yes i'm very much into the idea of sharing thoughts and idea.
Sifu Young is good on many level but as far as skill is concerned he had a very good teacher and he is IMO a very good student. Eventually you yourself can take on both roles. Teach yourself and learn yourself. Wing Chun IMO is not a style but rather a system of concepts, kuen kuit. Even Yip man would tell his students, "don't take my word for it, I may be tricking you. Go out and see if what i told you works." in the end you have to make it work for you.
What may work for one person may or may not work or you. Contrary to popular belief not all things are equal. The way one person applys a concept may be different than the way another person applies it. It is the result that is achieved that makes the difference.
It would be nice to see some vids of flowing chi sao. Not for a judge of skill, but for an example of applying the principles in the training drill of chi sao. Hope to see some soon. Thanks
i'll get into more involved chi sau drills when my website is up. in the interim, i'm trying to keep this tutorial basic which is why i'm not getting to intricate. and as you already know, chi sau training and chi sau teaching are two different things entirely. peace!
Sounds great, I'll wait to see your website and completely understandable to keeping a utube tutorial basic. No problem. Don't know what people are talking about with lineage cleansing, but ego cleansing always seems to work. Take care and good job accepting comments and not getting caught up in utube drama.
Sorry you took the eog cleansing so serious just a joke. Chinaboxer is doing a great thing and this is a new way for people to be exposed to Martial Arts that may not have other ways of exposure. As far as lineage there are many great teachers and great students in any art. The problems are not with lineage but the people themselves. As chinaboxer says peace!
question for you in regards to "lineage cleansing"...all lineages go back to Ng Mui, correct? if that's the case, what is Ng Mui's lineage? she obviously studied other methods that didn't work for her, which made her come up with solutions which created her method, right?
Lineage Cleansing is only symbolic to the moral corruptions and degradation of Ip Man lineage. I know a lot about all the thugs, charlatans, fakes, scum, punks, pimps, hoes, and con men from the second and third gen. I dont know anything about other lineages but Im pretty sure bad seeds abound! Look at the wilted tree in my wallpaper. It represents state of Wing Chun now. The whole tree needs to die before the good seeds can sprout again. I await for Spring in da distance future....sad! =(
I used to practice wing chun do which under James Demile but I forgot A LOT. Thinking of going back to it but under a different school. Wing Chun is my favorite of all martial arts for the exact reasons that you demonstrated in this video.
glddraco666 2 days ago
WC is Not about being flashy..
Instead controlling your opponent without need of regimented pattern of teachings..So you can Adapt,Control and Respond to an Opponent be it on Street or in competition..
Like all Ideal arts.. It enables you to Transcend conventual thinking of martial arts..If you watch closely in an active match (street or competition ) the eyes of the pure martial artist (the pupils ) seems un aware of the surroundings... Why,,, Because it is ignored in favor of listening !!
MrBOB39 1 month ago
chinaboxer what do you think about wing chun with out the froms just the fighting aspects of wing chun
12344richard 1 month ago
If you can`t attack from tan then you need a new tan it`s our best hand to open the door
sifurey 1 month ago
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dan600able 2 months ago
So how about if you were the one to be pushed off balance, how would you defend?
super5ickwidi7 2 months ago
@super5ickwidi7 I believe he that he may have hinted on that. Rewind a little and find the place that he talked about pulling. It was very brief.
beautifulmollies 1 month ago
"We don't want to chase the hand, we want to chase the center"- Thank you for sharing that principle. It explains so much in my Wing Chun training (:
super5ickwidi7 2 months ago
I don't practice wing chun, but the concepts you talked about really transcends barriers between most styles of martial arts. In every mid-closerange art (standup and grappling) the idea of "listening" is very important. i never thought of reading my opponent that way but its like you said, you need to listen first to give the correct answer. anything else like flashy pattern training turns it into guesswork and guessed answers in a fight are wrong answers
cmmirra 6 months ago 4
@cmmirra nicely put!
chinaboxer 6 months ago
Please, can you explain to me how it is possible that a cross could be controlled, if the boxer moves his body like Chuck Liddell.
If you watch the ko to Couture, you can see what i mean.
I want only to understand your concepts, not to be arrogant.
Best regards.
luctator369 7 months ago
@luctator369 I highly doubt a person will be able to throw a cross like chuck lidell and if chuck lidell himself threw a cross at a wing chun practicioner he is leaving himself exposed for an attack we would close the gap and attack before he can punch. just follow the basic rules and principles and wing chun works against any attack
DMulah3 2 months ago
I think your videos are really interesting.
Gin whats your lineage? Whos your teacher? did you learn this by your self?
fatalxxxmasaccident 8 months ago
I think your videos are really interesting.
Gin whats your lineage? Whos your teacher? did you learn this your self?
fatalxxxmasaccident 8 months ago
best video. thank you and keep up with the good work
raztastic007 8 months ago
can you make a video for people who do not know any martial arts who are getting forced into a fight wih a martial artist?
like so sort of defence or escape techniques if possible
NickYoungPisan 10 months ago
that makes alot of sense, cause when i do sensitivity drills and my partner is off balance then its easier to punch,kick, or put them in a headlock. good stuff keep up the good work.
DjRodimusPrimeXyZ 10 months ago
great explanation Jin - great post. THANK YOU for weeding though all the "but what if he kicks?". I use this same idea in my classes :)
kotegash 11 months ago
thank you
ariwcktube 1 year ago
damn you are an awesome teacher m8 :) make more videos or a dvd
Alesandros356 1 year ago
Hello mma community !
I am practising wing tsun for about 9 month n i think its good ;) i do like the movements , i love the chi sao training ( even if i dont train it cause iam low ranked) and i think its really useful... I am in the wteo avci wing tsun.... My question is...? If i meet a boxer or kick-boxer or thai-boxer on the street, how shall i defend myself properly?? question of knowledge...
ElBoutre 1 year ago
lol that sounds a little cowardly "You wanna fight him when his weakest" xD but well, it gives sense ^^
Adgang123 1 year ago
@Adgang123 if someone attacks you to hurt you badly i dont think you give a shit xD
Alesandros356 1 year ago
Chinaboxer, you are truly a student of the art. It shows in your instruction. You are helping to create a more conscious and better skilled generation of martial artists, and for that I thank you.
Peace to you and yours.
Shilivan 1 year ago
Thx alot Jin!! all of your videos is very useful for the beginner like me. I wondering how long that you practice in wingchun? also May I know who is your sifu? and the last thing "Im a Big Fan of your" and very apreciate for all of your videos.
killeracias 1 year ago
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hi! I started practicing tanglang quan and I realized that the practice of chi sao is quite different in wing chun and wushu (mantis). Is it? I really don't know what I'm talking about...
roccolee 1 year ago
hi! I started practicing tanglang quan and I realized that the practice of chi sao is quite different in wing chun and wushu (mantis). Is it? I really don't know what I'm talking about...
roccolee 1 year ago
@roccolee
Once you have the listening skill firmly in your grasp, you will be able to apply it to any fighting art you practice. Taken to a higher level you will be able to feel another's emotional intent and head off action before it even starts. But it all starts with chi sao.
Shilivan 1 year ago
hey hve a que 4 ya..how can i do chi sau alone?there's nobody interested enough around,i worked tan sau with the underside of the table and it worked,
but for othes no idea..little help plz.....tnx man
moe1573 1 year ago
Thank you.
ricsen13 1 year ago
I applaud you, man. One of the first competent wing chun instructors that I've seen on youtube.
call4duty2016 1 year ago
Great channel!! great explanations of applications, principles and techniques. Evidently have you seen/what do you think of 138mws (channel) aka Master Wong? i have been watching his vids for a while and he seems to be doing something similar to you. I havent done any wing chun but i am becoming more and more impressed with it in regards to real life application. partly thanks to your channel!
ToraJutsu01 1 year ago
Bad bad wing chun. You should be ashamed making our art look like useless empty techniques.
ipmanwck 1 year ago
these are teaching that also apply to tai chi push hands.great vid!
mysticalsoulqc 1 year ago
good explaination
alopda1 1 year ago
Cool! how do we improve our reaction against punches. Quick reflex?
LearnMartialArts 1 year ago
@LearnMartialArts Practicing defensive drills, covering the area instead of chasing the hand, and learning to use your peripheral vision to see the slight body movements that tell you when and where the other person is going to punch, before the punch is thrown. Once contact is made then the chi sao practice allows one to react through feel and not by sight, so your reaction time is much faster than actually having to rely primarily on vision.
abshalom7 1 year ago
@abshalom7 thx dude. But some people may fake a punch and I may get tricked. They will follow up wif punches. If we anticipate, wont we get tricked? lols
LearnMartialArts 1 year ago
@LearnMartialArts We are always attacking and covering at the same time. So if I cover and attack you and you're wasting time with a fake, I'm not, and you still get hit.
abshalom7 1 year ago
@abshalom7 Thanks for ur advice :)
LearnMartialArts 1 year ago
@LearnMartialArts If you've ever played chess, a fake is like a wasted chess move. Good wing chun doesn't chase the attacker's hand, it just covers the area that is being attacked, and at the same time I should be taking offensive action towards the opponent. My offensive action must be defended at the same time my opponent is faking, so his fake has become his weakness, a wasted, second, a wasted beat of rhythm, where he has gained no advantage as long as I have maintained my structure.
abshalom7 1 year ago
If you are "listening" with your arm but your opponent is not providing you with an easy answer do you think its suitable to just ask a question with your legs instead? I.e if you step to the side and block (like you were in at the 1:55 mark) and he doesn't give you any wrong energy, can you just try to stamp through his knee?
kelly980 1 year ago
Beautifully explained.
aedimus 1 year ago
Sifu, were you in the US Navy?
password19822 1 year ago
You are the best Jin. You really know how to make people understand WC.
Bakamatsuu 1 year ago
i am starting to respect this guy as a teacher good man keep up the good work
jamie9916 1 year ago
good
kwansao 2 years ago 3
JIn is cool...but ummm..
keep your heels down man...!
Thnx for the great uploads.
kizzbluntstryke 2 years ago
sifu jin seems angry in this 1!
FoGGeRdk 2 years ago 2
not angry passionate =)
differeance between a good fighter and a master fighter...is in the details.
Young Sifu is gettin good =)
sunfist420 2 years ago 2
very good explanation. Nicely shows the underlying principal of searching for a gap.
Perhaps a bit strong to say you 'cant attack him' when he isnt off balance, but definately a great habit to get into!
ozzie1246 2 years ago 2
perfect explenation, thanks!
IceCube7 2 years ago 2
you are the first person to teach me something usefull such as the listening skill and attack when of balance I did thai box and ninjutsu offensive MA but wing chun and just you are awesome thnx for uploading
09Jason11 2 years ago 2
Kool clip great teacher !
georgeee1 2 years ago 2
I'm new to wing chun and your video has reali helped me to understand the background concept. Thank q Jin
nelnel54 2 years ago 13
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chinaboxer 2 years ago
@chinaboxer I respectfully have a question about a small part of your technique. At 2:45 into video it seems you go straight to the opponent without dealing with the other hand, yet it would seem that if the next punch was a wide hook punch, you would want to cover with your right and attack with the left. Otherwise you might end up trading blows, which even though you have advantage in structure, if he is a huge opponent, he may hurt you at the same time. How does the technique avoid this?
abshalom7 1 year ago
It depends on the feeling of the moment, but properly attacking the center (with a proper strike that off balances the opponent and that hits him first before he hits you, that's the caveat) steals power and strength from the oppenents strike. So even if he catches you with that hook, there's no power. Of course yeah, if your fighting like Brock Lesner and you're just a wimp like me, yeah it might suck juice from his hook, but what's remaining is probably enough to do me in--so Bil Jee!
ThisSentenceIsFalse 1 year ago
@abshalom7
I realize that I'm not Chinaboxer, but I do have a reply to your question. The answer is that the technique alone is not enough. The technique was demonstrated on a partner with similar structural characteristics to the instructor.
If you are dealing with a larger stronger opponent then you have to change your approach. The real technique is in feeling the other's actions and taking control away from them.
Any technique used only has value if applied in the proper context.
Shilivan 1 year ago
GREAT TEACHER....
steelerelvis 2 years ago 2
I always knew that chi sao helps develop hand sensitivity but I never thought about its application in this way. Thanks a ton, Jin, this makes a lot of sense. No more "setup movement" for me!
Aletifer 2 years ago 5
glad it's helped you, take care and peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
I'm abroad Beast1333 :-)
FanatikosKafetzis 2 years ago
What about shifting?
jazz123214 2 years ago
take a look at my video "Wing Chun - Side Neutral Stance (basics) part 1,2" which deals with shifting the footwork.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Oh I see!
jazz123214 2 years ago
Let me tell you, I felt this reaction related to muai thai, where, when you use a front kick their style, you still cover your face.
I hope I am not a nuisense and thank you beforehand for your time....
FanatikosKafetzis 2 years ago 2
don't be silly, this is a forum for everyone to ask questions, make comments, share knowledge etc..so always feel free to chime in.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Hello Jin. :-)
Pardon me asking again, I hope I do not trouble you. At the school, we practised kicks to counter a head on attack. When doing this, I would always feel "safer" if I would use a tan sau simultaneously. Yet, given that the reach of the kick is greater than the reach of the arm, I can not use the tan sau as an attack towards the center.
My teacher approved of it. Any comments you might have? Is this chasing hands in a sense? Should I just stay to the kick or use an extra shield?
FanatikosKafetzis 2 years ago
i'm having a hard time understanding your question. the kick is just a means for you to get to "medium range", because in classic wing chun, the hands are the primary weapons. in other words, don't think of the kick as a "counter" to an attack, think of it as a means of getting to "medium range" as quickly as possible. this also means that your hands must be covering your center and ready to go once you've "bridged the gap".
chinaboxer 2 years ago
so the "shape" of the hands isn't near as important as maintaining your center. so use whatever works for you at the time, such as tan sau, wu sau, bong sau, whatever sau! =D
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Haha, OK :-)
Well ,it was something like that.
Attacker closes in and punches, I use the kick to stop him. But I felt better when using tan sau (and wu sau in place as always).
Do you disagree with that, from your point of view?
FanatikosKafetzis 2 years ago
as long as you maintain the concepts and principles that i'm always talking about, and if it works for you, then i agree!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
His second question is, "is such blocking not suitable for quick punchers like a pro fighter would be?"
We both thank you beforehand! :-)
p.s
I disagree with him, honestly, but I can not explain why on this second question and maybe in the 1st I was wrong. But I know the feel of the glove, practiced muai thai a lot back in the day...
FanatikosKafetzis 2 years ago
Question 2 - i can't speak for anyone else, but the way i teach, there is no "blocking". i am working on a video on dealing with a boxers punching method because as your friend pointed out, they are fast, very precise and they return the hand before you know it. that's why i say, DON'T EVER CHASE YOUR OPPONENTS HAND....ever. good questions. keep watching the tutorial and eventually your questions will get addressed. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Thanks! I told hm what you say, that one should not try to block.
All I can make out this far is.
Wing Chun practitioner attacks the center, and leaves the other side "shape" him into a defensive maneuver that the attacker wouldn't normally like if their hands meet halfway. And for that to happen all the stuff (correct structure etc) you say must be implemented.
I hope I did not understand you wrongly. Pardon me if this is the case, and honestly thanks again.
FanatikosKafetzis 2 years ago
Hello Jin! :-)
A friend of mine has 2 questions for you. We debate this now.
Question 1
He views wing chun blocking as ineffective because he does not see it in UFC etc. He asks "why don't they use it there if it is so good?"
My point of view is that this happens because they wear small gloves (lessens the pain of blocking head on) and because simply they never trained in it. What would be your opinion?
FanatikosKafetzis 2 years ago
Question 1 - firstly, the way i teach wing chun, there is no "blocking". as to why the UFC doesn't have wing chun incorporated into it, it's a good question. IMO, it's because in the "court of MMA" they want proof that it's effective for the ring first before they incorporate it.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
but again this is only my opinion, you have to ask this question, how many people study wing chun? how many of those, actually study developing the body vs. developing the hand? how many of those left actually train against "high level" boxers, grapplers, wrestlers on a weekly basis to sharpen their skills? finally, how many of those left have the drive and desire to compete in the ring?
chinaboxer 2 years ago
one of my goals is to develop solid "modified" wing chun fighters who fight using a single method regardless of what range they are in and get into the ring and compete.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
@chinaboxer I think that you have nailed part of the answer to why one doesn't see many "classical" techniques in UFC type events. The other reason is that in most schools of Wing Chun (indeed many so-called classical arts) they have not adopted the sport training program and still keep it largely to a species of one step sparring predicated on facing an opponent that utilizes the same style. This makes it hard to pull off the skills developed in real time, in an agressive situation.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
Why wouldnt you train/spar with people who also do WC? If you trust, as I and (hopefully) most other WC people, that WC is the best method of self-defense - then you wouldn be training/sparring against the best. I would rather train against a strong WCer thanstrong MMAer, as I think WC is superior. and thats not limiting what i train for - training against the most dangerous opponent! so what if he doesnt try sweep my legs or grapple me - if hes doing WC, he can hurt me faster and more easily
superbadlucre 2 years ago
superbadlucre,
I've simply not seen a lot of WCers that I thought could pull off WC techniques in real time. This is simply because most of the WC training modality approximates dry land swimming. I say this as a guy with a lot respect for and training time in the art. The simple fact though is that many WC people are developing some technical skills but not the fighters eye, as Mark Denny calls it.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
@chinaboxer,
To continue, I think that this situation will change though. The trick is simply to adopt the sport/progressive training model of training as well as the other trainng methods I think. Look at Lyoto Machida for instance. Anderson Silva brings a host of "classical" skills to the ring, and because of the training method, can pull off all kinds of stuff that, were you to see it in a demo, might cause you to raise a skeptical eyebrow.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
@chinaboxer And if I may add one more observation. I only half jokingly remarked to a WC sifu friend of mine that if you want to see many of the principles of WC in action, you need look no further than Randy Coutures upright skills (especially in the first Liddel match). Randy throws sharp, crisp straight punches most of the time, dominates the center, and consistently crashes into people to affect a clinch. In Randy you see many of the principles of WC to dramatic effect.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago 5
hey bro, yeah, i agree that over time, more people will study not just wing chun but other classical martial arts and incorporate it into the ring/cage. you're observation of Randy Couture is interesting, although he doesn't do wing chun per se, he does utilize many of the same "concepts & principles" as you pointed out.
chinaboxer 2 years ago 2
@Godsmasher22 Randy couture uses boxing and dirty boxing, not wingchun. sorry my friend but kungfu/wushu have been proven impractical in a no hold barred unarmed combat situation.
Mrthouroug 1 year ago
@Mrthouroug You misinterpreted my point. I was in no way saying that Randy did WC. My point was that if you wanted to see what good WC looked like, one could do worse than to look at Randy. His punching tends to be tight and down the center and his kicks low and economical. My larger point was that the princples are sound, and I made that point by saying, "Look at Randy." Even many of the techniques are sound. The training methodology of WC is what, on the whole, is what is lacking.
Godsmasher22 1 year ago
@Godsmasher22 I think couture may also use what very closely resembles a segment of a WC "pass" (forgive me i dont know names, i dont do WC) as a guard to transition from long and mid range to grappling range.
ToraJutsu01 1 year ago
Question continued... If I was to use WC in the street or ring would I wait for the opponent to attack first and then counter? Is the application of Wing Chun on the street would it look like Jeet Koon Do? How do you know if your Wing Chun punch is correct? I have been practicing my Wing Chun punches for many years and wanted to know how to know if it has the correct power and form. Thank You
InterestedInMany 2 years ago
this is really difficult to answer without seeing you perform the punch. also understand that "classic" wing chun (for self defense in the street) and JKD (modified wing chun utilizing other methods of martial arts) are completely different in nature. it's a good question.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Hello Sifu Jin, I have a question about Wing Chun that has confused me for many years, and I want to ask you as your insight in WC is tremendous. My question is how would a person use wing chun in the street? How would your stance look? Thank You
InterestedInMany 2 years ago
your stance and footwork are no different than your hands. focus on the concepts and principles and then whatever your stance happens to look like, that's how it should be.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
This really is the way Wing Chun should be taught everywhere. Excellent, and ranked as such.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago 2
thanks for the compliment. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
2.25 He says no need to block & leaves the opponents left hand free. Anyone with a percent of talent would return the favor by hooking & punching with the unchecked hand.
In reality one uses the sensitized right forearm to stick to the opponents left free arm & controls it while punching.
The idea he has to be off balance disregards the physics of the interactions. Chi sau is to enable the listening to accompanying great physics of interaction, then the spontaneity is a ceretainty. TY
heartslord 2 years ago
i was replying to JBurton.
may i add something also. ur structure is really good and you can make it even better by using "rising energy". it gives you that lifting power as an edge. my sihing call it sponge i call it a spring.. absorb then rise together with your hand techniques or movements making it doubly powerful.
i am glad to know u r different from others who think their wing chun is the best one and everyone else is wrong. i am learning a lot from you jin sifu, thank you.
respect.
hiddenwingchun 2 years ago
yea, this is a bit more of an intermediate subject but something that i will get into in my website, we refer it to as "high to low" or "low to high". take care and peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
that is good to hear. jin is a great teacher where he explains everything in great details. no secrets no reserves.
i give u another tip. there are styles out there that studies your style then find a way to counter it. so they have a counter to your move but u dont have a counter 2 their move/s.
example i have a counter to ur structure. its not structure against structure but a complete surprise.ur own strong structure defeated u.sori 2 sound like a puzzle but NOT if u know what it is.respect
hiddenwingchun 2 years ago
your opinions, observations and criticisms are very important to me. so of course i want to hear what everyone has to say. remember that i am not here to convert anyone to my method. that isn't my goal, i only put up this tutorial as a means of sharing what works for me at this time. and who knows, i'm sure that it will change as i continue forward on my martial arts journey. take care and peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
i worry about something.
what if u try to break his structure but he broke yours instead. does it mean u r dead?
i hate to think if u dont have a counter for that.
also..
i can see that u r fast & very effective. i have been watching u BUT now u r becoming predictable. its good for a beginner to follow u but u become sitting duck because your techniques become too open. i can see that danger. just sharing what i think,
u open up a bit more then u dont have any defence left.
respect.
hiddenwingchun 2 years ago
thanks for your concerns, i'm not exactly sure what your question is, but i think i know what you're trying to say, because i used to think the same way. hopefully, i can explain this in an upcoming video about "chasing the center" which is a very complex subject. take care and peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Just wanted to say that I know what you are talking about, but remember this is a tutorial video demonstrating the principles to focus on when training, chi sao is only a drill for development so there is room for focusing on different aspects, etc.. Also regarding losing your structure, in a real fighting situation it is always possible to lose it, but then you regain your structure, line, etc. The counter is constant adjustment to the changing situation. Still a great vid chinaboxer.
TheJackburton101 2 years ago
jin is the best teacher in youtube but he is in danger also of being too exposed. i studied different branches(styles) in wing chun. jin's is just 1 of many. jin is great but there are other styles that is more than what he is teaching. thats what i mean. we've seen jins style but not others with different n equally great moves. i made this warning because i like jin n if i can see whats happening others can also. hopefully not many will see it.
respect
maybe best if i stayed quiet.
hiddenwingchun 2 years ago
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He's not in danger. He is teaching.... ^_^'
Nikoo033 2 years ago
No need to stay quiet, this is a good place to post different views, it's all part of learning. I was just saying that this is an educational video in only one part. I think Jin is a great teacher and martial artist as well. I have trained with some incredible Wing Chun practioners that can wipe the floor with me in seconds all by applying the principles of Wing Chun to the changing situation. It's good to point out things you see, Chinaboxer is humble and I'm sure doesn't take offense.
TheJackburton101 2 years ago
Very nice vid Jin.
Especially the "not chasing hands but the center" and also very important the "listening to know basically when to deliver the weight". I was thinking recently that this is exactly what I need to practice more these days.
Nikoo033 2 years ago
although i call these "basics", they are the heart of what i believe makes wing chun movements work, or any internal martial art that relies on touch sensitivity. and it's the simple stuff that is the hardest to master and what i feel is the highest form of art. keep me posted on your progress. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
listening is some skill that is hard to master.
a lot will just want to punch or attack attack attack... without listening...
i dont use the word listen tho i say "control" when you are in control you already won. i guess its more universal or maybe too specific.
you are a very good teacher and everyone is watching you... students and teachers alike.
respect... (watching u fr london)...
hiddenwingchun 2 years ago
i agree with you, listening allows you to find the right movement to control someone. thanks for the encouraging words.
remember too, that my method is also changing, growing, etc..so things may or may not change in the future. this is only what works for me at this moment in time, who knows what my method will be in the future. but the fun part is the journey of realization. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
I know you have more experience than you help, however where was structure or balance lost when you made your assistant off balance? Was his backpack not on? Pelvic not forward?
kenn317 2 years ago
there's nothing wrong with his structure. you can't see what i'm doing because these are changes that are done on the "inside" rather than the "outside". we'll get into that subject in the future. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Speaking of chi sao, I wanted to ask something:
Have you ever heard of an exercise called "san sao"? I think it's supposed to be related to that distance fighting thing, but I don't really know how it works.
Thanks for your time
DownWithThePlague 2 years ago
hmm..there's san shao which is a chinese sport which utilizes muay thai, boxing and throws, takedowns.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
He may be referring to a drill san sao where we start from a distance and one person closes the gap and attacks while the other defends. We use this to develop flowing hands with basic structure, positioning and timing. Most systems probably use this although they may just have different names for the drill. After all there are many drills all for the same purpose to help develop the principles and concepts and hopefully a few of them will sink in.
TheJackburton101 2 years ago
ah, that's probably it.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
I think you're right about the 'unbalancing' concept... This can be in the obvious physical sense that you mention in the video... But widening the concept: feinting an opponent is also unbalancing in a mental sense. As is any technique that upsets his composure or confidence. Furthermore If through feinting or footwork or technique your opponent is manoeuvred into a less favourable position this is unbalancing his 'strategy'. All within the remit of the word definition I think.
GodOfSpoons 2 years ago
yea, i've been thinking alot on the broader aspects of the "unbalancing" concept as well. it goes back to what i've said before, "if you focus on technique, your knowledge becomes wide, but if you focus on movement and the concepts and principles that make it work, then your knowledge goes deep." nice observation. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Yup. Just learning a whole set of techniques is like having too many tools on your desk - you end up having no space to actually do your work.
Or if you manage to make a little space then it's next to impossible to find the right tool at the right time and you end up trying to hit a nail with a pliers (you may get away with it... sometimes)
Bad teachers teach endless techniques to kee you in a perpetual state of need -
GodOfSpoons 2 years ago
(as you said in an earlier video) they give the fish, not the fishing rod.
Which is not to say 'technique' is anathema. Sound 'technique' to me is the 'bringing out' of concepts and principles from the mental to the physical realm through application and testing.
It's a feedback mechanism allowing organic change and growth in one's mental concepts. A task which should seek to unify, not divide.
GodOfSpoons 2 years ago
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GodOfSpoons 2 years ago
well said, good stuff. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
let's stop with the back and forth silliness and get back to what really matters, focusing on sharing, practicing and growing. take care and peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
I think motofox has missed his calling - he should put out a series of video tutorials instructing people in the delicate arts of being a tedious asswipe, a cretinous jerkoff, a feeble-minded toss monkey and a donkey violating bear rapist...Now why don't you shut the motherfuck up?
mrwhippy40 2 years ago
Thank you for another great video
CakeMace 2 years ago
no problemo. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
When I push-up, I push-up with my fists and line the knuckles parallel to my body. Does it have any use? Or should I just do the regular push-up?
chyh0lau 2 years ago
nothing wrong with doing them both, the first way works your triceps while regular push ups focus primarily on the shoulders and chest.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
if you want to develope your triceps then fine, but it's not necessary to do so IMO.
mywingchunsucks 2 years ago
great man, your videos help out alot. ALOT. haha
prancelee 2 years ago
good to hear, keep practicing. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
awesome vid as usual....learned alot from china boxer....keep posting this amazing vids man!
lawrencezx 2 years ago
thanks for the kind words. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Seems like Mofotox has not decided what he thinks of you Chinaboxer, guess that is a good thing and credit to you, since Mofo is quite fast at smashing what he does not approve of as proper WC.
I agree that CS should not be seen as competitive, because no matter how good you are, you will look quite limited when touching hands with someone better; skilled when touching the hands of a student; and average when engaging a peer.
Keep sharing :)
domtempriall 2 years ago
your videos taught me a lot specially this one
ghettochild1212 2 years ago
glad it's helped you out. keep practicing, keep growing. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
All my respect, Sifu Jin. Your videos are amazingly clear and useful. Focusing about principles is the key, in my huble opinion. I really wish I could get lessons from you in real life. Greets from an italian wc practitioner. Peace!!! :))
lupusagnus 2 years ago
glad it's helped you on your martial arts journey. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
thanks, Jin.
i learned much about wing chun from your video.
and you made it easy to understand than the others.
Keep the good work, Jin.
i am waiting for your next lesson in wing chun.
mikocharlie 2 years ago
thanks for the kind words. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
I´m learning so much from your basics lessons...
1000 times Thank U
best Wing Chun Video on YouTube I never found!
gigbandulu 2 years ago
glad you're enjoying the videos, take care and peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Right about preset routines. However, 'you can not attack until you control your opponents balanced'? Define balance (if it meant more than bodily) boy! Your opponent can be in perfect balance yet you can attack when there is special opening, energy flow opening. You can do a set up before an attack while the other dude is in balance. But enough BS, I want 2 c u do CS with someone equal, not a pee-on so I can see your true skill boy.
mofotox 2 years ago 2
lol..i can always count on you to put a smile on my face. =D
my chi sau skill is really a moot point, my "level" of skill is not near as important as the understanding of the concept. because there's always going to be someone better than you or I, so i don't look at chi sau training as a competition but rather a way of getting a deeper understanding of the concepts and principles.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
what you are referring too in your comment is a more subtle way of attacking which has to do with adjusting yourself rather than your opponent, which is a bit more advanced. but good observation as always. another thumbs up for you! =D
chinaboxer 2 years ago
it would also be great to see you do..well..anything on video. =P come on old man, i'll be nice! post...post..post! =D
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Ive been working on this 'Lineage Cleansing' video for over two years now but.....there is still hope...... =)
mofotox 2 years ago
if you spent half the time training than you do "lineage cleansing" you'd probably be top notch by now! i'm kidding, bro. =P
chinaboxer 2 years ago
As a fellow Wing Chun practitioner and martial artist for over 25 years I have to say good job. You have left the ego at the door and your understanding of the concepts and principles are right on. I agree everyone is different and you have to find "your" Wing Chun. Stay humble and continue to be a good example of Martial Ethics and you will continue to help others find their own path. The best part is there is no end to refining ourselves.
TheJackburton101 2 years ago
thanks for the kind words. take care and peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
i agree with you, sir. Chinaboxer is an example of the way every martial artist is supposed to be: ethical, patient, intelligent, disciplined and... HUMBLE!
All the old Hsing I quan masters stressed humility in their advice. Every single one of them. Makes me wonder how almost all martial artists have so much ego after claiming to have talked to and read the work of great masters? most of them were humble gentlemen. Of these people, Ip man and Shoshin Nagamine come to mind, namely.
yieldingbamboo 2 years ago 3
wasting your time writing to a lesser being such as mofotox. he thinks that people are impressed by his psuedo intellect. He is what most would refer to as a Troll. There's an old saying in martial arts forums, "Don't feed the trolls." Just ignore him and he will go away.
mywingchunsucks 2 years ago
Well said, I like your screen name very cool. This is a great way for people to communicate and share information and opinions. I'm not much for writing in the forums, but I agree it should be done with respect to martial arts and to chinaboxer who put himself out there in front of the world to share his experience with others. I have visited most Wing Chun sites/vids and was impressed with Jin because of his sincerity and honesty and as said before a great example of Martial Ethics.
TheJackburton101 2 years ago
hehe thanks, i choose this screen name due to the fact that i am still learning and growing and my wing chun will "suck" until i am very very old. The more you "suck" the more potential/room you have for development. Once you think that you are "good" you have already disrupted your ability to grow. In otherword less Ego good and more Ego bad. (not Freudian Ego but the layman terms) Yes i'm very much into the idea of sharing thoughts and idea.
mywingchunsucks 2 years ago
Sifu Young is good on many level but as far as skill is concerned he had a very good teacher and he is IMO a very good student. Eventually you yourself can take on both roles. Teach yourself and learn yourself. Wing Chun IMO is not a style but rather a system of concepts, kuen kuit. Even Yip man would tell his students, "don't take my word for it, I may be tricking you. Go out and see if what i told you works." in the end you have to make it work for you.
mywingchunsucks 2 years ago
What may work for one person may or may not work or you. Contrary to popular belief not all things are equal. The way one person applys a concept may be different than the way another person applies it. It is the result that is achieved that makes the difference.
mywingchunsucks 2 years ago
You should send me a PM if you ever want to discuss martial arts related topics. I would love to have an on going dialog with you if you wish.
mywingchunsucks 2 years ago
It would be nice to see some vids of flowing chi sao. Not for a judge of skill, but for an example of applying the principles in the training drill of chi sao. Hope to see some soon. Thanks
TheJackburton101 2 years ago
i'll get into more involved chi sau drills when my website is up. in the interim, i'm trying to keep this tutorial basic which is why i'm not getting to intricate. and as you already know, chi sau training and chi sau teaching are two different things entirely. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Sounds great, I'll wait to see your website and completely understandable to keeping a utube tutorial basic. No problem. Don't know what people are talking about with lineage cleansing, but ego cleansing always seems to work. Take care and good job accepting comments and not getting caught up in utube drama.
TheJackburton101 2 years ago
i am drama free....yay! lol..and "big trouble in little china" was a fun movie, reference to your sign in name. =D
chinaboxer 2 years ago
BTLC was one of the great classics, thanks. Like your training space, is this your school in LA.
TheJackburton101 2 years ago
no, it's at the health club where i work at here in LA, it's actually the aerobics room.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Ego cleansing is such an oxymoron! So after you cleanse your ego, youll have a more pristine image of your self? A cleaner ego is still an ego, LOL!
mofotox 2 years ago
Sorry you took the eog cleansing so serious just a joke. Chinaboxer is doing a great thing and this is a new way for people to be exposed to Martial Arts that may not have other ways of exposure. As far as lineage there are many great teachers and great students in any art. The problems are not with lineage but the people themselves. As chinaboxer says peace!
TheJackburton101 2 years ago
question for you in regards to "lineage cleansing"...all lineages go back to Ng Mui, correct? if that's the case, what is Ng Mui's lineage? she obviously studied other methods that didn't work for her, which made her come up with solutions which created her method, right?
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Lineage Cleansing is only symbolic to the moral corruptions and degradation of Ip Man lineage. I know a lot about all the thugs, charlatans, fakes, scum, punks, pimps, hoes, and con men from the second and third gen. I dont know anything about other lineages but Im pretty sure bad seeds abound! Look at the wilted tree in my wallpaper. It represents state of Wing Chun now. The whole tree needs to die before the good seeds can sprout again. I await for Spring in da distance future....sad! =(
mofotox 2 years ago