Vincent D'Onofrio is amazing as Howard. And yes, Howard does deserve the credit for kickstarting the S&S genre as it is known today. There had been fantasy stories written before, but nothing with a series character, nor anything in the same manner as Howard wrote.
Is it just me, or should Vincent D'Onofrio have played Conan? Instead of that lame "Kull the Conqueror", somebody should have re-made "Conan" back in '97, and cast D'Onofrio based solely on this performance.
What Further Masterpieces could Robert Erwin Howard have given the world if he had not been taken at such and early age,truelly a sadly missed Genius of Fantasy/Adventure/Western/Boxing Genres he had hinted at what lay a head for his Cimmerian adventurer in notes and letters after his death.
No movie how every so good or bad comes close to the written word of R.E.H.
These Legends of pulp he forged then are as fresh today as when they sprang forth from his mind's eye nearly nine decades ago.
@UltimateHulk32011 Unfortunately, I suspect that the same drives that led him to take his own life were the ones from which he drew inspiration for his tales to begin with...
Conan race obsession? As far as i know the character (i've read 7 E.Howard Conan Novels), he seem to treat any encounter equally without taking any attention of their race...
Like Rob Howard and Conan? Like heavy metal? check out Ravenlaw - The Conqueror, song based on the conan stories and a tribute to this great writer, good movie btw
I'm black and have been a huge Howard/Conan fan for 20 plus years. I've never gotten the feeling that there was racism in the stories - the stories usually are the poor vs the rich, steel vs magic, etc. There were a number of stories where Conan teamed up with warriors from the dark lands such as Picts and others. The writers nearly always gave the highest praise of warriorship (other than that given to Cimmerians and their near neighbors, of course) to those from the black country.
@KurdishKlansman I will agree there is some race based undertones, but the series is far from racist. the series is more about Conan's dominance of others, to include blacks, persian, orientals and whites.
So I do agree with you to some extent but disagree that it's outwardly racist. Also because Conan respects and allies/befriends with many people of different ethnic backgrounds during his stories.
Some people with see what they want to see no matter what, so /shrug.
If you read H.P. Lovecraft's "Shadow Out of Time", the main character actually talks to a Cimmerian telepathically. That means Conan the Barbarian and Cthulhu are in the same universe.
Thumbs up if that's a fight you'd pay money to see or read about.
Howard is one of the greatest writers who ever lived. His stories don't read like most fiction.Instead, it is more as if he was telling them to you around a campfire. I can't recommended them enough
I always loved Howard's stories ever since I was a kid. I recently re-read some of them in thier original form, not the ones that were alterd by DeCamp and Carter. I fully realize how talented a writer he was. It is a shame that no one wants to do a Conan movie that is true to the original stories. The one with Arnold was a pale shadow to,the socond one was a joke. I do praise dark horse comiscs for doing an excellent job of capturing the spirit and staying close to the original.
THAT was beautiful. Vincent evokes the character of Conan beautifully. I'd love to think the real Robert E Howard was that passionate in describing him.
-The Schwarzenegger movie was fantastic, a bit of a mix of the stories and something in its own right. I think it would be impossible to make a correct movie of Conan how he was in the stories.
"Most of my dreams are laid in cold, giant lands of icy wastes and gloomy skies. . . . I am never, in these dreams of ancient times, a civilized man. Always I am the barbarian, the skin-clad, tousle-haired, light-eyed wild man, armed with a rude axe or sword. . . ."
This film is based on the personal story on Novalyne Price and her relationship with Robert Howard. The one person who knew Robert E Howard more intimately than any one in the world, save his mother. And guess what, she loved this film and felt it to be true to life.
Maybe if all you skeptic haters stopped your bitching for two seconds, you could actually learn something about this man you supposedly admire.
Most Robert E Howard fans actually love this film!
It's just that YouTube has a magical method for attracting the most ignorant, opinionated, loudmouth, douchebags on the planet to voice their petty quibbles.
Robert E Howard was a bipolar manic depressive who committed suicide at the age of 30. Some of you feel this performance is over the top. Bipolar manic depressives behavior is exactly that, over the top. If their behavior wasn't abnormal, well they wouldn't have a problem would they?
This is a beautiful film and Vincenct D'Onofrio should have been nominated for an oscar for this film.
this disgusts me. I Love Robert's writings and from the history readings i've taken in THIS (an in the movie) never happened. He was a private person, self-brooding, and like all us writers not akin to this kind of crap the media has twisted his "life story" into. They took a great man's legacy and turned it into a hollywood plot stepsheet cinema step by step in this movie (read save the cat by blake snyder then you'll see it follows it beat by beat). Shame on you you fucking hollywood bastards
I have read them all, in 9th grade we had to read 2 times a week, and I had no interest until a classmate handed me a paperback book. With in 2 years, I had read them all, and wished there were more made.
30 years before a tweedy Brit wrote about hobbits, a half-mad young Texan invented the sword n' sorcery genre. Fantasy owes a massive debt to its unsung genuis, Robert E.
(btw, I'm Australian myself, so I'm not trying to be patriotic. I'm just stating a fact).
@310sucks I hear you, it always kind of irritates me when people consider Fantasy as something that began and ended with J.R.R. Tolkien and pretty much overlook writers such as Howard, Lovecraft, Dunsany, and too many others to name.
I always find it interesting how Frank Frazetta the artist most responsible for popularizing Conan in the 1960s-1970s was in the late sixties when he first started doing cover art for the Robert Howard Conan books constantly under pressure by the book publishers to do things like give Conan a haircut and tone down the sex and violence elements to his art.
LOL just myself I'm kind of glad Frazetta ignored those requests,
I just really can't imagine Conan without the Frazetta look.
@KurdishKlansman How is it stupid to have different races in an adventure story, and having those races clash on different levels ? Should REH have made his black people white, given them pointy ears, and called them Elves ? Made his asian types green, and called them orks ? The fact is, there are different races, and we do clash with varying degrees. There are differences: and that makes conflict.
@KurdishKlansman I dunno. i don't know very many black people who started to re-arrange the face of the world with the strength of his mind. Tell me where that falls into the "Stereotypically black" category, k ?
@KurdishKlansman Go read any of the Tarzan books by ER Burroughs if you want a bad depiction of black people. In the Conan stories, nearly everybody is scum and nobody can be trusted, whether "civilized" non-black people or not. That was a recurring theme in Howard's work...people and their civilizations are deeply-flawed creations, and regardless of race, they have the incapability of striving for anything beyond their own petty desires.
Robert Howard grew up in Texas and his passions were reading and hearing stories from Native Americans, Civil War and Indian War Veterans and Ex-Slaves, and many of those tales found their ways into his stories
@KurdishKlansman You shouldn't call a person who beat you all too easily in an argument, an idiot, it really doesn't help your position out.
You are whining about 'racialist themes' while at the same time advocating ethnic nationalism as a means to try and bring about some kind of 'glory' to the middle east.
You area liar and a hypcorite, and most likely a mixed with semites and negroes.
@KurdishKlansman Seriously dude. Claiming races don't exist, and also claiming Conan is racially-obsessed. Tell me right now, how many Robert E. Howard books have you read ? And how many of them were Conan books ? And stop making rediculous claims.
@KurdishKlansman Only arrogant leftwingers attempt the rhetoric that ethnic nationalism, racial inequality and pride in ones ancestry and culture are 'antiquated' because it is a way of them trying to act like they have a superior philosophy. However, some things are classic and timeless, and that is what ethnic nationalism is. Those who try to deny it are liars and rejects.
You support ethnic nationalism while condemning it. You hypcorite. You are likely a semite.
I believe that Ethnic-nationalism is the ticket for middle-easts development in the future."
The Nazis were also ethnic nationalists, infact, they saw their ethnic nationalism and interest in ethnicity, particularly its purity and refinement, as key to success.
Your opinions are clearly rooted in emotion and not logic. Typical middle eastern inferior.
@KurdishKlansman The Stygians are african: they are from an ancient magical culture. The Hyrkinians are mongol, and a martial people. If you think these are racist "Stereotypes", then you need to learn where VooDoo came from, and you need to read some Chinese history. Check out the Three Kingdoms era, or read about Genghis Kahn.
See, ultimately, it's not about races clashing... it's about culture's clashing. You need to learn the difference between Race, and Culture.
@KurdishKlansman First, that would be 'you're', not 'your' second, actually ethnic nationalism IS racialism according to the people who popularized the term, the communists.
Communists are internationalists, they do not want ethnic nationalism, they call that 'racism'. You are, according to their definition, a racist.
P.S. I am not an american. You are however a hypocrite. Racial competition is one thing, but you condemn ethnic pride while promiting ethnic pride at the same time. You scum.
I'm curious about seeing this whole movie. I never knew about it. I like the Conan stories, comics, movies, but I honestly know very little about Robert E Howard. I do know that he committed suicide when he was about 30 years old after finding out that his mom was done for. So I guess he had some issues, but often the most creative and talented people do. I think it's hard for them to relate to other people because their minds are so much more advanced.
"Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet."
What pisses me off is that foreigners like to say America has no culture but here we are in the 21st century, and there're countless rip-offs of Conan and all these other beautiful works by Robert E. Howard (& Lovecraft). Even as I type this, I've just seen a Spanish bastardization of "The Shunned House" & a Russian bastardization of Conan. & don't get me started on the Filipino and Japanese "versions". XP
IF you have never read a conan book, be sure to pick up one written by him, not his sucessors. NOBODY could write a kick ass story like him, Even now, I crave to go re read them again.
@jmen4ever There was one author that managed to write a decent Conan. I liked Robert Jordan's Conan books. Still doesn't measure up to the original, but it's still a good Conan.
@nate556 Given another 25-30 years, i think he would have surpassed ERB's rep with ease.such a man would have an even harder time today, getting published.I hate Howard work that is scrubbed clean, takes the edge off it.
@jmen4ever I think why no one else can quite re-create Conan, is because Robert E. Howard WAS Conan, and he was a true one-of-a-kind. It's the same with Lovecraft, I've tried writing similar stories but he was just a one of a kind, and there is absolutely no measuring up.
Howard's an interesting and good author. I've gotten into the fantasy genre lately and I'm glad Howard's one of the first authors I came across. Tragic man, one wonders what his fertile mind and skilled hand could have created had he lived longer.
REH was a tad bit manic, as in he wasn't all there all the time. It may just be fiction on his part but in a few of his letters to friends he claimed that the spirit of Conan basically forced him to write Conan stories. The problem I've always had with how they played it in this movie was that the director and/or writers made Conan the Mary Sue of REH.
I've heard that about Howard's attitude towards the Conan character. I'm thinking he was just more or less getting into the moment. Letting his eccentricity fly wild for creativity.
Having said that, this performance does seem to be a bit OTT.
Apparently the subject of my opinion is not clear. I'm not referring to the "madness"(or what you might call it) of Robert E. Howard. I'm talking about the dialogue itself, and how he's uttering it. It just feels wrong. "The damnedest bastard there ever was" Now I may not now as many facts about Howard as many of you, but I've read the original stories about Conan a couple of times and a lot of the comics. So I know Conan. And this doesn't sound like him.
Btw: If you have some interesting stuff to share about Howard, I would love to hear it : ) So please send me a message if you've got some words to share
You do realize this movie was based on a book by Novalyne Price, the woman in the scene with him? I think her recollection of what REH said about Conan, to her, is more valid than what "feels wrong" to you.
Of course I'm aware of this. And I don't think I know anything at all compared to Price. That being said it's worth mentioning that Howard died in 1936 and "One Who Walked Alone" was published in 1986. What i'm trying to say is that the words used in this movie not necessarily needs to be the words of Howard himself. Though I admit it is possible. Still, I've read the Conan books thoroughly, and I dare say I do know the character Conan. And therefore this scene feels very unrealistic.
I haven't seen the movie but from my very limited research into Robert Howard, he was depressed and he did have an ego. He would claim to others that he didn't have to write multiple drafts of most of his work; the words just flowed from his hands(even though after his death hidden drafts for a lot of his work were found).
I haven't read too much into Robert E Howard's life, or much of his writings on Conan, but I have bought, read, and researched his works on Solomon Kane.
Can someone with more knowledge than me please tell me if this performance authentically depicts the man Howard was? Because I'm having a hard time believing it.
.....Remember he's the opposite of a roman soldier- A thief, A reaver A Slayer. Sure Conan was at a weak point in that scene- but conan was never described as "emotionless"
Nate556 I respect your opinion but as some1 who has read most of the Conan tales I totally disagree- for 1, he was Gladiator (which isn't faithful to the books) but enhances a macho image of growing up in pain & combat- In history most races/tribes of people have fallen victim to slavery at some point- I fail to see how Slavery makes one a weakling- Since Sparticus himself was much of a Barbarian alike Conan- (continued) --->
Robert E. Howard's Conan stories were written before comic books even began to become popular with Action Comics... in fact, Conan predates the Hobbit. And much of Howard's writing used Conan to express his own disregard for society's norms and strict superficial regulations.
yeah, back in the day pulp novels were their form of "comic book". however, you're correct about how REH used it as a means for conveying deeper philosophy. thats really what made him stand out. two of my favs:
- conan's comment on barbarianism being the fundamental level of human nature, and how, when the dust settles and we drop the facades, we all revert back to barbarianism
- conan said of city-dwellers being less civilized because death is not a consequence for rudeness
Nice... here's another one: "I know this: If life is an illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content." I think of this line from 'Queen of the Black Coast' as the Tao of Conan. What do you think?
I hope those were Conan's ideas and not REH's. The ideology here is of a rugged individualist. However, the those are the least likely specimens to survive. The loner has to make up for it by physically overcompensating and adopting a careless morality to match. In reality, living life this way, collapses its practitioner. Its an impossible standard for a human, and a specimen like this would be unfit to survive. It is the by product of an unrealistic view of the way the world works.
The theme of compensation for social ineptness comes screaming through in a character like this. Its cartoonish and Byronian, and I cant help but think REH wore his heart on his sleeve with this kind of character writing. But it does make for a great fictional character! I read Conan as a kid cuz I loved him. I still love the character, but its amusing more than anything else.
these kind of character's are attractive to many especially young men. Because we do not relate, and we do not have to .Fantasy. Its the dark side of us, letting loose. All ego no ID= No consequence all convenient . The reader also suffers no pain suffering or hunger.
I still love Conan, but hes scarred. Thats why i liked the 1st Conan movie, conan suffers real pain, Milius got this across IMHO.
To Jackanaples- the majority of people wouldn't even know of Conan or R.E.H if it wasn't brought to the big screen, think what you want but C.T.B is considered by many as one of if not THE greatest sword and sorcery film ever made- do you know how many imitators that movie spawned back in the day in the early 80s?
Well, I can't say I know much about Howard other than reading all his Conan stories but he did kill himself... that may have been a bit compulsive... or crazy. But he definitely wasn't an imbecile.
Robert E Howard is a very underrated writer- he was pretty much the father of the sword-n sorcery genre
to all the ppl saying the movie was shit- fuck you! CTB is one of the greatest adult fantasy flicks ever made! -far better than gayarse LOTR that's for sure. I have read all his books and whilst the storyline in the movie is slightly different (Conan is more fiery and had a slightly different appearance in the stories) I think if Howard was around he would have loved them
The reason so many of us don't like Milus's Conan the Barbarian" is because we value Howard so much as a writer.
If Howard we're around it's doubtful the movie would have turned out as it did. Conan as a slave? For YEARS? Come on! That alone shows that Milius had no care or understanding for the character or his world.
Conan was REH's alter ego. Howard lived vicariously through his creation. Wasn't REH a bit of a Momma's boy in real life? Nothing against Momma's boys. Niestzche wasn't exactly an alpha male either...
He was a momma's boy in real life but maybe not in the way we use the term today. He was a bit beyond that in a way because he was suffering from depresion badly at a time where we knew nothing about it. He was so unstable that when his mother sliped into a final coma from TB he walked out of the hospital, went to his car, took out a gun and shot himself on the spot. Momma's boy? Maybe but more like sick with no way to get help. Damn shame.
He's wasn't really a momma's boy. His mother was horribly sick his entire life and he had to stay home to take care of her. He didn't kill himself because his mother was about to die, he was big into reincarnation and the only reason he hadn't killed himself before then was because then no one could take care of his mom. That's not a momma's boy. That's a man who put his responsibilities before his own desires.
Theres a little romanticizing there. We dont really need to draw fanciful conclusions that somehow his suicide was his epic ending to latest personnel tragic story or that he was now free of the bonds that tied him when mommy died to move on to a next life. The man had problems, deep personal and very tragic problems. He did what people with extreme depression do when they go untreated and forced to endure more and more tragedy. He killed himself, happens every day. Sad end to a great man.
But calling him a "momma's boy" isn't drawing a fanciful conclusion? Look, neither of us is qualified to give testimony to Howard's mental state at the time of his death, but unfortunately that doesn't stop his biographers (especially the earliest ones like De Camp) from doing just that. All I'm saying is there is a huge difference between killing oneself because your mother died, and not killing yourself because she's still alive.
Well remember 8shield, the my original statement to Laffington's inquiry as to whether he was a bit of mommas boy was that he maybe wasnt in the terms that we use it today. Its fact his mom had TB and required care. Of course we cant state what his mental state was at the time, thats a given. Its also a given that without an actual diagnoses for clinical depression it can only be based evident signs and symptoms perceived or imagined by witnesses.
As for biographers you have to take them for face value and decided for yourself their validity of there facts but if it wasnt for them, we might not know anything at all. As for motive for suicide, feel free to believe he just wanted to get to the next life as soon as possible and was only being held up because mom wouldnt die fast enough for his dedicated little heart. I chose to agree with the clinical presentation of his symptoms which makes him a very typical untreated suicide case.
The problem with that de Camp's 'clinical presentation' is that he wasn't a psychologist. He made up his mind about what Howard's problems decades before he wrote the bio, and when it came time to write it his research had no impact on his preconceived notions.
A far superior biography is Mark Finn's 'Blood & Thunder: The Life & Art of Robert E. Howard'. Finn was able to make use of much new information in writing it as well as areas de Camp ignored because he'd made up his mind already.
It was well done, but Howard fans (like me) have a real hard time enjoying it. It would've been ok if they hadnt pretended it had anything to do with Howards Conan - if Milius had called it Dum-borr the Barbarian or something it would have been fine.
Imagine if you had poured your heart and sweat into a creative project, & somebody comes along and pretends to do a movie of it, but ignores all your ideas and changes everything you worked so hard to make cool.
How about I make a movie called Sherlock Holmes, and make Holmes a bumbling, comic, Inspector Gadget type of character with his sexy assistant, Ms. Watson. He solves crime, but doesn't bother with deduction - Ms. Watson simply beats the clues out of the suspects. Holmes will be Scottish, and trained as a circus acrobat so we can see him acrobatically dispatch his enemy, Dr. Moriarti the Evil Necromancer From India.
Entertaining yes, but insulting to Doyle and his fans.
why , as Howard fans, do we have a hard time enjoying this? Milius just took Price's memoirs, and ran with them. I think we should all be happy that there is at least a film dedicated to Bob and and Ms. Price, lest the younger generation of aspiring writers forgets of what a great and complicated man Bob was. I could see him being this eccentric, after reading his collected letters, and assuming that most writers have some flair of eccentricity about them.. peace
John Milius didn't have anything to do with Novalyne Price or her memoirs. John Milius directed Conan the Barbarian, which is what I was talking about.
The Whole Wide World, as opposed to Conan the Barbarian, was a very good movie.
crossed wires. milius aka Conan noteriety. I somehow had him locked in my brain as the director of Whole Wide World. Need to get a better caffeine fix in the morning I guess, hehe
I recommend you try reading some of Robert E. Howard's original stories of Conan. They're tons better than the movie. You may find that you like the movie a bit less when you see what you could have had.
The two most significant writers of epic fantasy in the 21st century were J.R.R. Tolkien and Robert E. Howard. Watching the Schwarzenegger movie, you'd never know why he's so important.
I know only thing is where could i get a hold of any of it or where could i see any of it are there any sites? i would definitely like to read some of REH original stories of Conan
Some of Howard's Conan stories are in the public domain now. You could try the Project Gutenberg site I suppose, or do a search for "public domain Conan stories" on Google. I prefer books myself, and all of Howard's original Conan stories are available in three beautiful books published by Del Rey:
1. The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
2. The Bloody Crown of Conan
3. The Conquering Sword of Conan
These are the definitive editions. Well worth your time, money or a visit to the local library.
@jackanaples Robert E Howard created the sword and sorcery genre. That is pretty tough to top, although mind you he didn't do it on his own. A lot of his ideas he shared with men like H.P Lovecraft and other less well known yet in my opinion deserve almost as much credit as Robert E. Howard.
@jackanaples What the public won't get is the literary experience. Robert E Howard had vivid descriptions in his work. He had a terrific writing style, like H P Lovecraft his contemporary, and was very effective in drawing the reader in with his incredible mastery of the written word. Besides the literary merits of his work, Howard is able to convey superior imagery that I think only the artist Frank Frazetta has been able to capture.
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Babric420 1 month ago
WTF Was he just talking about me?
mammal360 1 month ago
@mammal360 No lol, he's talking about me......
TheGrtC 1 month ago
Vincent D'Onofrio is amazing as Howard. And yes, Howard does deserve the credit for kickstarting the S&S genre as it is known today. There had been fantasy stories written before, but nothing with a series character, nor anything in the same manner as Howard wrote.
RamBam3000 2 months ago 3
What is the meaning of life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamantation of de women.
Sirchud68 2 months ago 3
Is it just me, or should Vincent D'Onofrio have played Conan? Instead of that lame "Kull the Conqueror", somebody should have re-made "Conan" back in '97, and cast D'Onofrio based solely on this performance.
bastlake 3 months ago
What Further Masterpieces could Robert Erwin Howard have given the world if he had not been taken at such and early age,truelly a sadly missed Genius of Fantasy/Adventure/Western/Boxing Genres he had hinted at what lay a head for his Cimmerian adventurer in notes and letters after his death.
No movie how every so good or bad comes close to the written word of R.E.H.
These Legends of pulp he forged then are as fresh today as when they sprang forth from his mind's eye nearly nine decades ago.
UltimateHulk32011 4 months ago 3
@UltimateHulk32011 Unfortunately, I suspect that the same drives that led him to take his own life were the ones from which he drew inspiration for his tales to begin with...
Sleeper99999 4 months ago
conan is the most kick ass character on this entire fuckin planet.......he kicked captin americas ass.......conan rules the universe man
darkwattie227 5 months ago 2
Saying that a person is a moron based solely on their accent is ridiculous.
Cotygeek 5 months ago
Conan race obsession? As far as i know the character (i've read 7 E.Howard Conan Novels), he seem to treat any encounter equally without taking any attention of their race...
HUDJ0679790 5 months ago
Like Rob Howard and Conan? Like heavy metal? check out Ravenlaw - The Conqueror, song based on the conan stories and a tribute to this great writer, good movie btw
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inphasesith 8 months ago
He actually DOES resemble Howard!,wow !
serberious 8 months ago
Hearing that accent really put me off watching the movie. When I think of Howard I certainly never thought he would sound like a moron.
nausinora 9 months ago
@nausinora He has a Texan accent. So everyone with a southern accent is a moron ?
nate556 7 months ago
@nausinora He has a Texan accent because he was from Texas. Everyone with a southern accent is a moron ?
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I'm black and have been a huge Howard/Conan fan for 20 plus years. I've never gotten the feeling that there was racism in the stories - the stories usually are the poor vs the rich, steel vs magic, etc. There were a number of stories where Conan teamed up with warriors from the dark lands such as Picts and others. The writers nearly always gave the highest praise of warriorship (other than that given to Cimmerians and their near neighbors, of course) to those from the black country.
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KurdishKlansman 9 months ago
@KurdishKlansman I will agree there is some race based undertones, but the series is far from racist. the series is more about Conan's dominance of others, to include blacks, persian, orientals and whites.
So I do agree with you to some extent but disagree that it's outwardly racist. Also because Conan respects and allies/befriends with many people of different ethnic backgrounds during his stories.
Some people with see what they want to see no matter what, so /shrug.
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KurdishKlansman 9 months ago
@Strait, which stories are you reading? Howard constantly referred to Conan as a barbarian!
"'I have no royal blood,' groaned Conan. 'I am a barbarian and the son of a
blacksmith.'"
studiosguignol 9 months ago
If you read H.P. Lovecraft's "Shadow Out of Time", the main character actually talks to a Cimmerian telepathically. That means Conan the Barbarian and Cthulhu are in the same universe.
Thumbs up if that's a fight you'd pay money to see or read about.
Maximillionaire666 9 months ago
This is damned good. I'll have to check it out.
undisputedgreatest 10 months ago
Is that Percy Wetmore?
OneEyedJack1970 11 months ago
Howard is one of the greatest writers who ever lived. His stories don't read like most fiction.Instead, it is more as if he was telling them to you around a campfire. I can't recommended them enough
MrStormcrow12 11 months ago 5
Is this really Robert E. Howard describing Conan? Wow what a great orator.
p0tmuffin69 1 year ago
@p0tmuffin69 Si this sarcasm? Are you trolling? Or are you just daft?
It was from a movie. Howard Killed himself like 60 something years ago. Maybe even 70.
undisputedgreatest 10 months ago
love his discription of Conan>He don't take shit from anyone
VIV292 1 year ago
I always loved Howard's stories ever since I was a kid. I recently re-read some of them in thier original form, not the ones that were alterd by DeCamp and Carter. I fully realize how talented a writer he was. It is a shame that no one wants to do a Conan movie that is true to the original stories. The one with Arnold was a pale shadow to,the socond one was a joke. I do praise dark horse comiscs for doing an excellent job of capturing the spirit and staying close to the original.
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zom8135 1 year ago
what a eccentric performance
jamesedwardclard 1 year ago
I love how Conan is described here... but whenever I see this clip all I can think is that Pvt. Pile from Full Metal Jacket is giving this speech
ZionChild100 1 year ago
THAT was beautiful. Vincent evokes the character of Conan beautifully. I'd love to think the real Robert E Howard was that passionate in describing him.
-The Schwarzenegger movie was fantastic, a bit of a mix of the stories and something in its own right. I think it would be impossible to make a correct movie of Conan how he was in the stories.
ozoneocean 1 year ago 2
There will be three significant writers of the 21st century. J.R.R Tolkien, Robert E Howard and C. R. Powers.
mavarek666 1 year ago
"Most of my dreams are laid in cold, giant lands of icy wastes and gloomy skies. . . . I am never, in these dreams of ancient times, a civilized man. Always I am the barbarian, the skin-clad, tousle-haired, light-eyed wild man, armed with a rude axe or sword. . . ."
bastardad 1 year ago
This film is based on the personal story on Novalyne Price and her relationship with Robert Howard. The one person who knew Robert E Howard more intimately than any one in the world, save his mother. And guess what, she loved this film and felt it to be true to life.
Maybe if all you skeptic haters stopped your bitching for two seconds, you could actually learn something about this man you supposedly admire.
spiritscar 1 year ago 3
Most Robert E Howard fans actually love this film!
It's just that YouTube has a magical method for attracting the most ignorant, opinionated, loudmouth, douchebags on the planet to voice their petty quibbles.
spiritscar 1 year ago 33
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spiritscar 1 year ago
Robert E Howard was a bipolar manic depressive who committed suicide at the age of 30. Some of you feel this performance is over the top. Bipolar manic depressives behavior is exactly that, over the top. If their behavior wasn't abnormal, well they wouldn't have a problem would they?
This is a beautiful film and Vincenct D'Onofrio should have been nominated for an oscar for this film.
spiritscar 1 year ago
this disgusts me. I Love Robert's writings and from the history readings i've taken in THIS (an in the movie) never happened. He was a private person, self-brooding, and like all us writers not akin to this kind of crap the media has twisted his "life story" into. They took a great man's legacy and turned it into a hollywood plot stepsheet cinema step by step in this movie (read save the cat by blake snyder then you'll see it follows it beat by beat). Shame on you you fucking hollywood bastards
valdemar8 1 year ago
I have read them all, in 9th grade we had to read 2 times a week, and I had no interest until a classmate handed me a paperback book. With in 2 years, I had read them all, and wished there were more made.
Omenmyster 1 year ago
The less politcally correct side of Howard is no doubt untouched in this film, right?
ejgiv 1 year ago
30 years before a tweedy Brit wrote about hobbits, a half-mad young Texan invented the sword n' sorcery genre. Fantasy owes a massive debt to its unsung genuis, Robert E.
(btw, I'm Australian myself, so I'm not trying to be patriotic. I'm just stating a fact).
310sucks 1 year ago 10
@310sucks I hear you, it always kind of irritates me when people consider Fantasy as something that began and ended with J.R.R. Tolkien and pretty much overlook writers such as Howard, Lovecraft, Dunsany, and too many others to name.
cha5 1 year ago 2
@310sucks Totally agree, but watch out because Tolkien fans go into retard mode when you bring it up.
nicholsml 9 months ago
I always find it interesting how Frank Frazetta the artist most responsible for popularizing Conan in the 1960s-1970s was in the late sixties when he first started doing cover art for the Robert Howard Conan books constantly under pressure by the book publishers to do things like give Conan a haircut and tone down the sex and violence elements to his art.
LOL just myself I'm kind of glad Frazetta ignored those requests,
I just really can't imagine Conan without the Frazetta look.
cha5 1 year ago
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KurdishKlansman 1 year ago
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KurdishKlansman 1 year ago
@KurdishKlansman How is it stupid to have different races in an adventure story, and having those races clash on different levels ? Should REH have made his black people white, given them pointy ears, and called them Elves ? Made his asian types green, and called them orks ? The fact is, there are different races, and we do clash with varying degrees. There are differences: and that makes conflict.
nate556 6 months ago
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KurdishKlansman 6 months ago
@KurdishKlansman I dunno. i don't know very many black people who started to re-arrange the face of the world with the strength of his mind. Tell me where that falls into the "Stereotypically black" category, k ?
nate556 6 months ago
@KurdishKlansman show me those stereotypes in books, will ya?
echoes222 3 months ago
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KurdishKlansman 3 months ago
@KurdishKlansman Go read any of the Tarzan books by ER Burroughs if you want a bad depiction of black people. In the Conan stories, nearly everybody is scum and nobody can be trusted, whether "civilized" non-black people or not. That was a recurring theme in Howard's work...people and their civilizations are deeply-flawed creations, and regardless of race, they have the incapability of striving for anything beyond their own petty desires.
gundammon 2 months ago 6
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KurdishKlansman 2 months ago
@KurdishKlansman Well, in your opinion, anyway.
gundammon 2 months ago
@gundammon
Robert Howard grew up in Texas and his passions were reading and hearing stories from Native Americans, Civil War and Indian War Veterans and Ex-Slaves, and many of those tales found their ways into his stories
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KurdishKlansman 1 year ago
@KurdishKlansman You shouldn't call a person who beat you all too easily in an argument, an idiot, it really doesn't help your position out.
You are whining about 'racialist themes' while at the same time advocating ethnic nationalism as a means to try and bring about some kind of 'glory' to the middle east.
You area liar and a hypcorite, and most likely a mixed with semites and negroes.
cidseven 1 year ago
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Captthrall 1 year ago
@Captthrall LOL
cidseven 1 year ago
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KurdishKlansman 1 year ago
@KurdishKlansman Seriously dude. Claiming races don't exist, and also claiming Conan is racially-obsessed. Tell me right now, how many Robert E. Howard books have you read ? And how many of them were Conan books ? And stop making rediculous claims.
nate556 6 months ago
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KurdishKlansman 1 year ago
@KurdishKlansman Only arrogant leftwingers attempt the rhetoric that ethnic nationalism, racial inequality and pride in ones ancestry and culture are 'antiquated' because it is a way of them trying to act like they have a superior philosophy. However, some things are classic and timeless, and that is what ethnic nationalism is. Those who try to deny it are liars and rejects.
You support ethnic nationalism while condemning it. You hypcorite. You are likely a semite.
cidseven 1 year ago
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KurdishKlansman 1 year ago
@KurdishKlansman But you did. This is from your profile.
"Interests:
I believe that Ethnic-nationalism is the ticket for middle-easts development in the future."
The Nazis were also ethnic nationalists, infact, they saw their ethnic nationalism and interest in ethnicity, particularly its purity and refinement, as key to success.
Your opinions are clearly rooted in emotion and not logic. Typical middle eastern inferior.
cidseven 1 year ago
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Captthrall 1 year ago
@KurdishKlansman The Stygians are african: they are from an ancient magical culture. The Hyrkinians are mongol, and a martial people. If you think these are racist "Stereotypes", then you need to learn where VooDoo came from, and you need to read some Chinese history. Check out the Three Kingdoms era, or read about Genghis Kahn.
See, ultimately, it's not about races clashing... it's about culture's clashing. You need to learn the difference between Race, and Culture.
nate556 6 months ago
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KurdishKlansman 1 year ago
@KurdishKlansman First, that would be 'you're', not 'your' second, actually ethnic nationalism IS racialism according to the people who popularized the term, the communists.
Communists are internationalists, they do not want ethnic nationalism, they call that 'racism'. You are, according to their definition, a racist.
P.S. I am not an american. You are however a hypocrite. Racial competition is one thing, but you condemn ethnic pride while promiting ethnic pride at the same time. You scum.
cidseven 1 year ago
I do believe this guy is gay for Conan. haha
kaizenro 1 year ago
this guy gets drunk too fast
XpickmansmodelX 1 year ago
I'm curious about seeing this whole movie. I never knew about it. I like the Conan stories, comics, movies, but I honestly know very little about Robert E Howard. I do know that he committed suicide when he was about 30 years old after finding out that his mom was done for. So I guess he had some issues, but often the most creative and talented people do. I think it's hard for them to relate to other people because their minds are so much more advanced.
hulkout666 1 year ago
"Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet."
-Robert E. Howard
BLUErobotman 1 year ago
What pisses me off is that foreigners like to say America has no culture but here we are in the 21st century, and there're countless rip-offs of Conan and all these other beautiful works by Robert E. Howard (& Lovecraft). Even as I type this, I've just seen a Spanish bastardization of "The Shunned House" & a Russian bastardization of Conan. & don't get me started on the Filipino and Japanese "versions". XP
RavnDream 1 year ago
@RavnDream America have no culture nowadays. Authors which you mentioned lived in the past.
IVomitOnYourGod 1 year ago
@IVomitOnYourGod
Neither do ALOT of other countries, then, if you're gonna base "culture" on things of the past.
RavnDream 1 year ago
@RavnDream I agree.
IVomitOnYourGod 1 year ago
robert e howard's prose reminds me of cormac mccarthy.
mwells219 1 year ago
IF you have never read a conan book, be sure to pick up one written by him, not his sucessors. NOBODY could write a kick ass story like him, Even now, I crave to go re read them again.
jmen4ever 1 year ago 27
@jmen4ever
I hear you man, I've got Conan books from Howard and the other authors.
Some of them are pretty good and 'get it' some don't.
It's a shame ReH killed himself as he was just getting into his stride I feel.
WatchRyder 1 year ago
@jmen4ever There was one author that managed to write a decent Conan. I liked Robert Jordan's Conan books. Still doesn't measure up to the original, but it's still a good Conan.
nate556 7 months ago
@nate556 Yes, he was one of the best who wrote new conan tales, was very impressed by what he did.
jmen4ever 7 months ago
@jmen4ever I think why no one else can quite re-create Conan, is because Robert E. Howard WAS Conan, and he was a true one-of-a-kind.
nate556 7 months ago
@nate556 Given another 25-30 years, i think he would have surpassed ERB's rep with ease.such a man would have an even harder time today, getting published.I hate Howard work that is scrubbed clean, takes the edge off it.
jmen4ever 7 months ago
@jmen4ever I think why no one else can quite re-create Conan, is because Robert E. Howard WAS Conan, and he was a true one-of-a-kind. It's the same with Lovecraft, I've tried writing similar stories but he was just a one of a kind, and there is absolutely no measuring up.
nate556 7 months ago
This was the only (sort of) romance move that I ever liked. There are some very cool scenes. Sad though . . .
tedlicious 1 year ago
hehe...I've always loved this scene. I think he nailed Howard pretty well.
ThePhantomBlacksmith 1 year ago 2
Missed Novalyne's reaction shot at the end. ;)
2Kortoso 2 years ago
( lol ) The actor's amusing but he acted well.
Howard's an interesting and good author. I've gotten into the fantasy genre lately and I'm glad Howard's one of the first authors I came across. Tragic man, one wonders what his fertile mind and skilled hand could have created had he lived longer.
ManilaSyndicate 2 years ago
I can't imagine a writer would talk about one of his characters like this. This scene is overplayed like nothing I've ever seen before.
Adharkach 2 years ago
REH was a tad bit manic, as in he wasn't all there all the time. It may just be fiction on his part but in a few of his letters to friends he claimed that the spirit of Conan basically forced him to write Conan stories. The problem I've always had with how they played it in this movie was that the director and/or writers made Conan the Mary Sue of REH.
OriginalNeomoon 2 years ago
I've heard that about Howard's attitude towards the Conan character. I'm thinking he was just more or less getting into the moment. Letting his eccentricity fly wild for creativity.
Having said that, this performance does seem to be a bit OTT.
Capt777harris 2 years ago
Then you know nothing about Robert E Howard, the guy would run around town shooting off guns pretending to be a cowboy.
manwaring 2 years ago
Apparently the subject of my opinion is not clear. I'm not referring to the "madness"(or what you might call it) of Robert E. Howard. I'm talking about the dialogue itself, and how he's uttering it. It just feels wrong. "The damnedest bastard there ever was" Now I may not now as many facts about Howard as many of you, but I've read the original stories about Conan a couple of times and a lot of the comics. So I know Conan. And this doesn't sound like him.
Adharkach 2 years ago
Btw: If you have some interesting stuff to share about Howard, I would love to hear it : ) So please send me a message if you've got some words to share
Adharkach 2 years ago
You do realize this movie was based on a book by Novalyne Price, the woman in the scene with him? I think her recollection of what REH said about Conan, to her, is more valid than what "feels wrong" to you.
kevd82 2 years ago 3
Of course I'm aware of this. And I don't think I know anything at all compared to Price. That being said it's worth mentioning that Howard died in 1936 and "One Who Walked Alone" was published in 1986. What i'm trying to say is that the words used in this movie not necessarily needs to be the words of Howard himself. Though I admit it is possible. Still, I've read the Conan books thoroughly, and I dare say I do know the character Conan. And therefore this scene feels very unrealistic.
Adharkach 2 years ago
::gush::
PaigeyPumphrey 2 years ago
This guy over-act much?
I haven't seen the movie but from my very limited research into Robert Howard, he was depressed and he did have an ego. He would claim to others that he didn't have to write multiple drafts of most of his work; the words just flowed from his hands(even though after his death hidden drafts for a lot of his work were found).
REH also did commit suicide.
xslithsx 2 years ago
I haven't read too much into Robert E Howard's life, or much of his writings on Conan, but I have bought, read, and researched his works on Solomon Kane.
Can someone with more knowledge than me please tell me if this performance authentically depicts the man Howard was? Because I'm having a hard time believing it.
pitchwhiteawi 2 years ago
@pitchwhiteawi; yes, that is pretty much how Robert was; a very intense fellow. He is one of my favorite authors.
andrewlondonbook 2 years ago
I get chills when I watch this scene.
2Kortoso 2 years ago
.....Remember he's the opposite of a roman soldier- A thief, A reaver A Slayer. Sure Conan was at a weak point in that scene- but conan was never described as "emotionless"
GilWilliam23 2 years ago
Nate556 I respect your opinion but as some1 who has read most of the Conan tales I totally disagree- for 1, he was Gladiator (which isn't faithful to the books) but enhances a macho image of growing up in pain & combat- In history most races/tribes of people have fallen victim to slavery at some point- I fail to see how Slavery makes one a weakling- Since Sparticus himself was much of a Barbarian alike Conan- (continued) --->
GilWilliam23 2 years ago
Brilliant! I love the way he gets into describing conan! For a guy who never traveled outside Texas he sure had an incredible imagination!
Skywise1 2 years ago
this was gay and overacted. And from what I understand, R.E.H. was an OG comic book nerd from back in the day.
paragshah2112 2 years ago
Robert E. Howard's Conan stories were written before comic books even began to become popular with Action Comics... in fact, Conan predates the Hobbit. And much of Howard's writing used Conan to express his own disregard for society's norms and strict superficial regulations.
anmcap1776 2 years ago
yeah, back in the day pulp novels were their form of "comic book". however, you're correct about how REH used it as a means for conveying deeper philosophy. thats really what made him stand out. two of my favs:
- conan's comment on barbarianism being the fundamental level of human nature, and how, when the dust settles and we drop the facades, we all revert back to barbarianism
- conan said of city-dwellers being less civilized because death is not a consequence for rudeness
paragshah2112 2 years ago
Nice... here's another one: "I know this: If life is an illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content." I think of this line from 'Queen of the Black Coast' as the Tao of Conan. What do you think?
anmcap1776 2 years ago
I hope those were Conan's ideas and not REH's. The ideology here is of a rugged individualist. However, the those are the least likely specimens to survive. The loner has to make up for it by physically overcompensating and adopting a careless morality to match. In reality, living life this way, collapses its practitioner. Its an impossible standard for a human, and a specimen like this would be unfit to survive. It is the by product of an unrealistic view of the way the world works.
paragshah2112 2 years ago
The theme of compensation for social ineptness comes screaming through in a character like this. Its cartoonish and Byronian, and I cant help but think REH wore his heart on his sleeve with this kind of character writing. But it does make for a great fictional character! I read Conan as a kid cuz I loved him. I still love the character, but its amusing more than anything else.
paragshah2112 2 years ago
these kind of character's are attractive to many especially young men. Because we do not relate, and we do not have to .Fantasy. Its the dark side of us, letting loose. All ego no ID= No consequence all convenient . The reader also suffers no pain suffering or hunger.
I still love Conan, but hes scarred. Thats why i liked the 1st Conan movie, conan suffers real pain, Milius got this across IMHO.
wildwindsca 2 years ago
To Jackanaples- the majority of people wouldn't even know of Conan or R.E.H if it wasn't brought to the big screen, think what you want but C.T.B is considered by many as one of if not THE greatest sword and sorcery film ever made- do you know how many imitators that movie spawned back in the day in the early 80s?
GiLthe33rd 2 years ago
That was a good movie. But for the guys who read the book: it fell far far too short for Conan.
Tha hardest part for many to swallow, is Conan being a willing slave for most of his life. REH's Conan, would never be a slave, not even as a child.
The hardest part for me, was Conan blubbering and whining like a baby on his knees before Thulsa Doom. That is not the Conan i read about!
nate556 2 years ago 2
In this clip, Howard is presented as an impulsive imbecile. An insult to the writer!
~ Sn00py
LittleSn00py 2 years ago
Well, I can't say I know much about Howard other than reading all his Conan stories but he did kill himself... that may have been a bit compulsive... or crazy. But he definitely wasn't an imbecile.
anmcap1776 2 years ago 2
I'm not saying Howard was an imbecile. I'm saying this clip presents him so.
~ Sn00py
LittleSn00py 2 years ago
I'd say it shows more of the disconnect with reality that REH suffered from.
OriginalNeomoon 2 years ago
Wow, if Vince D'onofrio lifted some weights for a year and wore blue contacts, he could play Conan. Wouldn't that be the damndest thing.
Tulkastaldo 2 years ago
I agree!
CaptainStern2 2 years ago
Robert E Howard is a very underrated writer- he was pretty much the father of the sword-n sorcery genre
to all the ppl saying the movie was shit- fuck you! CTB is one of the greatest adult fantasy flicks ever made! -far better than gayarse LOTR that's for sure. I have read all his books and whilst the storyline in the movie is slightly different (Conan is more fiery and had a slightly different appearance in the stories) I think if Howard was around he would have loved them
GiLthe33rd 2 years ago 3
The reason so many of us don't like Milus's Conan the Barbarian" is because we value Howard so much as a writer.
If Howard we're around it's doubtful the movie would have turned out as it did. Conan as a slave? For YEARS? Come on! That alone shows that Milius had no care or understanding for the character or his world.
jackanaples 2 years ago
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jags1008 2 years ago
Combats a what like his amrs?
LegendKnight93 2 years ago
what movie is this and whats it about
mavarek666 2 years ago
The Whole Wide World, a biopic of Robert E. Howard.
It's a great film, if you can find it, watch it.
mikerolf1 2 years ago
Conan was REH's alter ego. Howard lived vicariously through his creation. Wasn't REH a bit of a Momma's boy in real life? Nothing against Momma's boys. Niestzche wasn't exactly an alpha male either...
Laffington 2 years ago
He was a momma's boy in real life but maybe not in the way we use the term today. He was a bit beyond that in a way because he was suffering from depresion badly at a time where we knew nothing about it. He was so unstable that when his mother sliped into a final coma from TB he walked out of the hospital, went to his car, took out a gun and shot himself on the spot. Momma's boy? Maybe but more like sick with no way to get help. Damn shame.
Subway0001 2 years ago
He's wasn't really a momma's boy. His mother was horribly sick his entire life and he had to stay home to take care of her. He didn't kill himself because his mother was about to die, he was big into reincarnation and the only reason he hadn't killed himself before then was because then no one could take care of his mom. That's not a momma's boy. That's a man who put his responsibilities before his own desires.
8Shield 2 years ago
Theres a little romanticizing there. We dont really need to draw fanciful conclusions that somehow his suicide was his epic ending to latest personnel tragic story or that he was now free of the bonds that tied him when mommy died to move on to a next life. The man had problems, deep personal and very tragic problems. He did what people with extreme depression do when they go untreated and forced to endure more and more tragedy. He killed himself, happens every day. Sad end to a great man.
Subway0001 2 years ago
But calling him a "momma's boy" isn't drawing a fanciful conclusion? Look, neither of us is qualified to give testimony to Howard's mental state at the time of his death, but unfortunately that doesn't stop his biographers (especially the earliest ones like De Camp) from doing just that. All I'm saying is there is a huge difference between killing oneself because your mother died, and not killing yourself because she's still alive.
8Shield 2 years ago
Well remember 8shield, the my original statement to Laffington's inquiry as to whether he was a bit of mommas boy was that he maybe wasnt in the terms that we use it today. Its fact his mom had TB and required care. Of course we cant state what his mental state was at the time, thats a given. Its also a given that without an actual diagnoses for clinical depression it can only be based evident signs and symptoms perceived or imagined by witnesses.
Subway0001 2 years ago
As for biographers you have to take them for face value and decided for yourself their validity of there facts but if it wasnt for them, we might not know anything at all. As for motive for suicide, feel free to believe he just wanted to get to the next life as soon as possible and was only being held up because mom wouldnt die fast enough for his dedicated little heart. I chose to agree with the clinical presentation of his symptoms which makes him a very typical untreated suicide case.
Subway0001 2 years ago
The problem with that de Camp's 'clinical presentation' is that he wasn't a psychologist. He made up his mind about what Howard's problems decades before he wrote the bio, and when it came time to write it his research had no impact on his preconceived notions.
A far superior biography is Mark Finn's 'Blood & Thunder: The Life & Art of Robert E. Howard'. Finn was able to make use of much new information in writing it as well as areas de Camp ignored because he'd made up his mind already.
jackanaples 2 years ago
This is a truly underrated film.....
archer1949 2 years ago 2
Makes me think about Attila the hun.
lionat88 2 years ago
when he thought up Conan, i bet he was thinking of old time Comanche warriors! big muscled men of iron and fearless!
acerb45666555 2 years ago
Conan was inspired by many men who Robert Howard knew of, had seen, read about, or imagined.
berserkmax86 2 years ago
God, was Robert E. Howard actually like this ?
PersephoneAndMinerva 3 years ago
Howard was like any man who is passionate about his work. But who really knows?
berserkmax86 2 years ago
I HAVE TO SEE THIS FILM!!!
d4rkher0 3 years ago 2
Damn that was soo good! :-D
DioGirl 3 years ago
HOLY SHIT!! That was baddas!!
evilmick66 3 years ago
I don't get why everyone hated the Original conan flicks i personally LOVE them
HomicideNotorious187 3 years ago
The first one was good, but neither movie really stayed true to Howard's vision of of Conan or the world around him.
OriginalNeomoon 3 years ago
Well i know that but still i think it's good even if it didn't say true to Howards version
HomicideNotorious187 3 years ago
It was well done, but Howard fans (like me) have a real hard time enjoying it. It would've been ok if they hadnt pretended it had anything to do with Howards Conan - if Milius had called it Dum-borr the Barbarian or something it would have been fine.
Imagine if you had poured your heart and sweat into a creative project, & somebody comes along and pretends to do a movie of it, but ignores all your ideas and changes everything you worked so hard to make cool.
Thats what Milius did to Howard.
Nephronial 2 years ago
Here's another analogy:
How about I make a movie called Sherlock Holmes, and make Holmes a bumbling, comic, Inspector Gadget type of character with his sexy assistant, Ms. Watson. He solves crime, but doesn't bother with deduction - Ms. Watson simply beats the clues out of the suspects. Holmes will be Scottish, and trained as a circus acrobat so we can see him acrobatically dispatch his enemy, Dr. Moriarti the Evil Necromancer From India.
Entertaining yes, but insulting to Doyle and his fans.
Nephronial 2 years ago
why , as Howard fans, do we have a hard time enjoying this? Milius just took Price's memoirs, and ran with them. I think we should all be happy that there is at least a film dedicated to Bob and and Ms. Price, lest the younger generation of aspiring writers forgets of what a great and complicated man Bob was. I could see him being this eccentric, after reading his collected letters, and assuming that most writers have some flair of eccentricity about them.. peace
szforlife 2 years ago
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What are you talkin about man?
John Milius didn't have anything to do with Novalyne Price or her memoirs. John Milius directed Conan the Barbarian, which is what I was talking about.
The Whole Wide World, as opposed to Conan the Barbarian, was a very good movie.
Nephronial 2 years ago
crossed wires. milius aka Conan noteriety. I somehow had him locked in my brain as the director of Whole Wide World. Need to get a better caffeine fix in the morning I guess, hehe
szforlife 2 years ago
Me too brother.
No good think coffee me without.
Nephronial 2 years ago
I recommend you try reading some of Robert E. Howard's original stories of Conan. They're tons better than the movie. You may find that you like the movie a bit less when you see what you could have had.
The two most significant writers of epic fantasy in the 21st century were J.R.R. Tolkien and Robert E. Howard. Watching the Schwarzenegger movie, you'd never know why he's so important.
jackanaples 2 years ago 18
I know only thing is where could i get a hold of any of it or where could i see any of it are there any sites? i would definitely like to read some of REH original stories of Conan
HomicideNotorious187 2 years ago
Some of Howard's Conan stories are in the public domain now. You could try the Project Gutenberg site I suppose, or do a search for "public domain Conan stories" on Google. I prefer books myself, and all of Howard's original Conan stories are available in three beautiful books published by Del Rey:
1. The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian
2. The Bloody Crown of Conan
3. The Conquering Sword of Conan
These are the definitive editions. Well worth your time, money or a visit to the local library.
jackanaples 2 years ago
try amazon
OwzyB 2 years ago
@jackanaples
sword and sorcery, conan wrote sword and sorcery.
sartanko 1 year ago
@sartanko Robert wrote* ......
sartanko 1 year ago
@jackanaples Robert E Howard created the sword and sorcery genre. That is pretty tough to top, although mind you he didn't do it on his own. A lot of his ideas he shared with men like H.P Lovecraft and other less well known yet in my opinion deserve almost as much credit as Robert E. Howard.
22458 1 year ago
@jackanaples What the public won't get is the literary experience. Robert E Howard had vivid descriptions in his work. He had a terrific writing style, like H P Lovecraft his contemporary, and was very effective in drawing the reader in with his incredible mastery of the written word. Besides the literary merits of his work, Howard is able to convey superior imagery that I think only the artist Frank Frazetta has been able to capture.
EdMahoney19 1 year ago 4
THAT was badass!
videojeff01 3 years ago 4
the real conan is HOWARD!!!
razorage85 3 years ago 11
This is a hidden classic. This is a gem for all conan fans. Good post.
efraz 3 years ago 7
This is great, thank you for posting!
outworldarts 3 years ago
Prime clip.
BarbarianBard 3 years ago