Did the universe form to fit us, or did we form to fit the universe?
Even if accept this argument of an initial creator, in what way does this lend credence to a particular creed?
That is, except for circular references in ancient dogma, what says that this creator is not brahma, yahwe, or any of the other thousands of gods humankind has invented?
The Qur'an states that "Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days" (7:54). While on the surface this might seem similar to the account related in the Bible, there are some important distinctions.
In one case, the measure of a day is equated with 50,000 years (70:4), whereas another verse states that "a day in the sight of your Lord is like 1,000 years of your reckoning" (22:47).
Lolz! How come the Qu'ran is so much like the bible??? ever thought about that?? well u probably kno when mohammad asked the Christians and jews to create a new religion, they refused and he just went to the desert and come back with this book nearly a copy of the Bible. Well still they didnt listen (fortunately) so he went to the desert again, got an army and invaded the city of Mecca... THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU????????????????
The drop or nutfah has been interpreted as the sperm or spermatozoon, but a more meaningful interpretation would be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest").
The word "youm" is thus understood, within the Qur'an, to be a long period of time -- an era or eon. Therefore, Muslims interpret the description of a "six day" creation as six distinct periods or eons.
After completing the Creation, the Qur'an describes that Allah "settled Himself upon the Throne (As fits His majesty)" (57:4) to oversee His work.
Allah is never "done" with His work, because the process of creation is ongoing.
Your wrong and not informed my friend. I am a Catholic, yet I believe in Allah and Yaheew, know why. Because God, Allah and Yaweeh are the same deity. Although i worship the creator differently then a Muslim or a Jew, the One God is what remains constant. Your argument of our belief is based upon misinformation. If you had studied theology or knew anything about the world's three largest and most intricate religion perhaps you would have not made this comment.
@Skymt Main idea: God exists, if u have problems with faith, then that's ur problem, u'll figure it out by the time u're dead (or not, since u're an atheists) matter doesnt come from nothing!!
The Qur'an further states that Allah created the sun, the moon, and the planets, each with their own individual courses or orbits. "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon; all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course" (21:33).
The Qur'an also does not rule out the idea that the universe is continuing to expand. "The heavens, We have built them with power. And verily, We are expanding it" (51:47).
when we die our molecules and atoms blend with the existing universe, our escence is gone but the material that we were made of is completely recycled, we humans are an incredible tiny part of an incredibly big system. All the discoveries just make us realize how little we know, everytime we open one door we discover 100 more. The universe is more like a dream than anything else.
"" Verily, with ALLAH alone is the knowledge of the Hour. And HE sends down the rain, and HE knows what is in the wombs. And no soul knows what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul knows in what land it will die. Surely, ALLAH is All-Knowing, All-Aware. "" Quran 31:34
And he (i.e. man) presents for Us an example (i.e. attempting to establish the finality of death) and forgets his [own] creation. ...
...He says, Who will give life to bones while they are disintegrated? Say, He will give them life who produced them the first time; and He is, of all creation, Knowing. [It is] He who made for you from the green tree, fire, and then from it you ignite. Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes, [it is so]; and He is the Knowing Creator. Quran, 36:78-81
and if so the big bang created the universe then what space was before the bigbang. and where did the bigbang took place ? not in the universe because it created the universe and even if god created the universe who created god ?
You bet it's complicated, especially when one tries to prove the impossible. Watch God Is Impossible: A Final Proof. And you will understand how the system works.
Look in any fisics textbook for scientific evidence of Jesus creating the Universe:
Mainly: The second "commandment" of therodienamicks: Entropy: Any close system becomes less complix over time. According to this law, any closed system, including the known universe should after a period of time, encounters what physicists call 'heat death' Therefore, the universe had to be created by the Christian God. All you liberals who disagree can suck my titballs!
Before the ROMAN'S inforced their doctrine through the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, JESUS WAS KNOWN AS A PROPHET SENT BY GOD, BY THE EARLY CHRISTIANS IN JERUSALEM AND MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD. The Bible still holds many clues of this which were not omitted when the Bible was compiled in the 3rd Century.
@TheAmazingSatirist I agree. Even Alan Guth a knowledgeable person about this clearly states the the big bang is not an explosion. Explosions don't behave like the big bang. The big bang is simply the expansion of the space-time fabric. Explosions are inhomogeneous and have irregular patterns.
@FallofDarkness55 the word big bang is not an accurate word to describe the beginning of the universe as Allah (God Almighty) say: Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass, then We clove them asunder? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
So because nature is too complex, it couldn't have happened by itself? I don't buy it. The universe has been around for an unimaginably long time. Things are bound to happen over that period of time. In another billion years, our little insignificant corner of the universe could look vastly different.
The beauty of nature is its complexity and structured chaos. The universe is a knowable place, even if we don't have all of the answers yet.
The West assumes that all living creatures are their own lords, work in their own name and for their own pleasure, and that their only aim in life is to survive. It does not see the universal mutual helping among them, as established by their Creator. Plants help animals, and animals help humanity. But it sees even this as conflict and contention, and preaches that life consists of conflict even though all food particles or atoms help nourish the bodys cells.
the big bang was an explosion from a star that was smaller than a corx. A good question is this: How did the star get there? Was there a time before this star when it was big, before it collapsed into something so small?
Many atheists respond "There was nothing before this star." God created the universe from nothing. Since nothing came before the big bang, it supports God's creation from nothing. Therefore, the evidence points towards Christianity, and is right as the video title suggests.
Did you know that Noah, Moses and Jesus are the prophets of muslims?. There has been approximately 124,000 prophets who have come into this world. In Islam and Christianity we believe that we are the children of Adam (A.W) and Eve and this is spoken in both the Quran and the Bible. The main problem that we face today is that the Bible has been altered from its original form which was in the Aramaic language. It was altered during the translation to various languages.
Well actually, since time and space are joined, the Big Bang was also the beginning of time. The question "what was before the Big Bang" is like asking "what's North of the North Pole?"
Indeed, this doesn't explain how it happened.
But reasons and causality exist only within this universe, we have no reason to believe it exists 'outside', or 'before'.
Maybe it just did. Along with every other possible universe, we can't know!
But if you want, go ahead and take a God. Whatever floats your boat.
In the Qur'an, God invites people to reject blindly accepting the beliefs and values society imposes on them and to ponder by pushing aside all the prejudices, taboos and constraints on their minds. Man must think on how he came into being, what is the purpose of his life, why he will die and what awaits him after death.
idiot i believe in God why are you telling me this when it is obvious to me? you seem to not understand that i was supporting His existence with my comment. i said either way, creation or big bang, BOTH are evidence FOR God. understand now?
Actually what they refer tho the big bang, was actually the gushing out of nothingness of light 's first appearance when God pronounced the words in the time of creation, i guess it was as powerful as an explosion, but we all know that explosions destroys and scatter its source.
Nothing can be created from an explosion, especially not thing as complex as planets and living being.
There is no other explanation than : the creator created the creation and the living creatures.
First they make such videos, then they tell you Earth is 6000 years old, later they tell you God asks you to pay tithes of increasing rate, because otherwise you will go to Hell since Earth will die soon.
In the Qur'an, people are asked to look around them for the signs of Allah in the natural world. The balance of the world, the rhythms of life, are "signs for those who would believe." The universe is in perfect order: the orbits of the planets, the cycles of life and death, the seasons of the year, the mountains and the rivers, the mysteries of the human body. This order and balance are not haphazard nor random. The world, and everything in it, has been created with a perfect plan, by Allah.
How do you understand the order? What is Allah's order of things? There is no greater order. Universe and life is total chaos. It's a complete order, only if you choose not to see things.
The Quran encourages people to travel throughout the earth to see God's signs and patterns everywhere.
"We (Allah) will show you (mankind) Our signs/patterns in the horizons/universe and in yourselves until you are convinced that the revelation is the truth."
And Allah has Created every animal from water; of them are some creeping on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some on four. Allah Creates what He wills: for sure Allah has Power over all things.
Exactly, but you surely can't take Qur'an and the Bible literally, because they give a symbolical picture of how God created everything. Allah or Jehovah, there is a God, there is an all mighty force that has made this perfect order in the universe.
The heavens and the earth were one before they were ripped apart. Life started in the water and living things are mostly water [Quran 21:30]. Today when scientists look for traces of life on Mars or Jupiter moons, they look for water!
Reptiles came out of the water and were followed by two legged then 4 legged creatures [24:45].
Now answer this. If allah created the universe, who created him. There's a beginning for everything, so dont say any bullshit like he has always been in existence.
'If allah created the universe, who created him'=If you painted the backdoor of your house with red colour, then who painted you ?
'There's a beginning for everything'=everything is painted. Your question is assuming that the creator is created which is wrong similar to the assumption that you are painted.
You and muslimblanc are avoiding my question here. First off, muslimblanc, your example is pretty poor. Painting a door and being painted has nothing to do with creation. Instead of painting the door, think of it as "creating the PAINTED door". I created it and I was created also. There Is a beginning to everything, you have no proof to back up that your god has always been in existence.
papapaha: If you are sincerely looking for truth, think about it. I proved that your question is based on a false assumption. God is not a man, why are you applying the word 'created' on beings of different nature ? The word 'created ' applies to creature not the creator. You are not a backdoor and therefore I cannot apply the word 'painted' to you. The question 'Who painted you ?' is wrong and so is the question 'who created the creator ?'
Everything is "created" in some way or another. If your god exists, then who "created" him? And what is your god if he is not a man? And if " who created the creator" is the wrong question, then what is?
Scientists believe that CLOCK started clicking at the time of Big bang implying that there was NO time before Big Bang and hence time was created at the time of Big Bang. This is in perfect harmony with the Quran which declares that 'Time is the creation of ALLAH' So proving my point that time cannot be applied to GOD. Because our thinking power is so limited that we just cannot comprehend this notion of TIMELESSNESS! (refer to 3rd part of my answer please sorry for this)
Nothing can only create nothing before the universe began something must have always existed, its energy, energy is eternal, the 1st law of thermodynamics confirms that, it states energy can not be created or distroyed, no begining or un created and no end,thats the definition of eternal,u also cant claim this energy has always existed in the universe because science has proven that the universe didnt always exist. so to say god is uncreated,eternal,responsible for the big bang iswithin science
God is beyond our sight and understanding, yet at the same time "nearer to us than our jugular vein"(Qur'an). Muslims pray directly to God, with no intermediary, and seek guidance from Him alone, because "...Allah knows well the secrets of your hearts" (Qur'an). "When My servants ask thee concerning Me,
I am indeed close I respond to the prayer of every suppliant when he calls on Me.Let them also, with a will,Listen to My call, and believe in Me, that they may walk in the right way."Qur'an
Now because GOD himself created TIME, so he is not bound by the limitations of time. He is out of this sphere of TIME.
Now another remarkable verse in The Quran that strengthened my belief in the Existence of ALLAH as the ONLY GOD goes like "Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then we clove them asunder "(Quran 21:30) (isn't this a direct reference to the Big Bang presented to us 1400 years ago?)
It is self-evident that things that begin have a cause. Indeed, no science is possible without the law of cause and effect, and the study of history would not make sense if causes do not lead to effects. What is more is that we cannot hold the absurd logical position that the universe created itself, because nothing comes out of nothing!
In short, to the question, "Who created Allah?" we can give this answer: By definition, Allah is the First Cause and the Uncreated Creator of all. For everything to exist or begin to be, a Ground of Being is necessary, and Allah is the Ground of Being. So without Allah, nothing can be, nothing is possible. So the question "Who created Allah?" is nonsensical; it takes us nowhere; it is a meaningless question somewhat like "What is the color of music?"
Now, wallidjan, "nothing comes out of nothing" and "Allah is the First Cause and the Uncreated Creator of all. For everything to exist or begin to be, a Ground of Being is necessary, and Allah is the Ground of Being" are pretty contradictory, don't you think? You are saying that Allah was created by nothing, but nothing comes out of nothing, so Allah IS NOTHING.
Hi. Let me try to explain. Your question that who created GOD actually means who was before GOD. Try to understand this one.
These notions such as 'before' 'after' 15 billion years.2 seconds. ALL are dependent on time. Because we all are bound by the limitations of time, such words does apply to us. But think of something NOT bound by the limitations of time! So you cannot really ask who was before GOD(and hence who created HIM). so far so good? (go to second part of my answer now please)
The heavens are expanding [Quran 51:47]. Modern science tells us that the universe was started from a singularity. The pictures taken by Edwin Hubbell in Mount Wilson observatory in 1929 showed that the universe was expanding which led to the Big Bang theory. The Qur'an anticipated this "discovery" by 14 centuries.
"The Qur'an anticipated this "discovery" by 14 centuries" - wallidjan
This is a classic piece of after-the-fact assumption. There is no sensible defence for your claim that the quran anticipated the big bang theory. The line "the heavens are expanding" is not, in any rational or intelligent way, an anticipation of the big bang theory. You've simply chosen to see four words as a prediction of sorts, and are ignoring rationality and reason.
In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, there are Signs for people of intelligence: those who remember God standing, sitting and lying on their sides, and reflect on the creation of the heavens and the earth:
Our Lord, You did not create this for nothing. Glory be to You!
Ah, one more thing, the big bang was not an explosion, that's just a word people use because it's easier than saying "the rapid expansion of space/time". Explosion is a gross misunderstanding and or oversimplification.
An example is have them consider what might happen if a tornado came through a junkyard and tore through the old cars; would it leave behind a nice new Mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around?
cars aren't alive, so your example is bad. but here is a good example, if you found a mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around, would it be logical to beleive that mercedes appeared there because god magically created it?
cars aren't alive, so your example is bad. but here is a good example, if you found a mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around, would it be logical to beleive that mercedes appeared there because god magically created it?
The order of the universe is only valid for this universe. It's possible that either this is the only possible result OR that there have been billions of collapses and explosions and this was the only one that fell perfectly for the rules we now experience. Read some Dawkins.
We would like to explore the idea of creation from a purely logical standpoint using simple terminology without religious hype, emotional pre-convictions or superstitions. What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this:
A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile.. with no left over parts.. and the motor is running.
As I said, read some Dawkins. Evolution theory does not suggest that life fell into place perfectly. Evolution is not about chance. It's about selection. Cosmologically speaking, galaxies and planetary systems also did not fall into perfect order either. It's a gradual process in which hydrogen molecules exchange atoms and heavier and heavier atoms form until stars are born and die and the materials are thrown out and gravity pulls themn together again etc, until we have what we have.
The human mind is a true marvel, but in certain areas it is limited. God is different from anything the human mind can think of or imagine, so the mind will become confused if it tries to picture God. Nevertheless, it is possible to understand the attributes of God that do not require one to make any mental pictures of Him. Jewish and Christian teachings on God are confused partly because of incorrect understanding of this issue, Torah teaches God is like man.
Again you've sidestepped my question. If god effects this universe, we should see increases in energy when he acts on it. Besides, this is only your specific interpretation of god, some people believe that god lives in a rock, and thus they can see god.
Now, back to the original question. If god doesn't need a cause because he existed outside of space and time, then neither does the universe, because prior to its' existence there was no such thing as space and time.
Einstein has shown that time is the fourth dimension contiguous with space. In other words, we live in a world that is a space-time continuum.
The point is that Allah does not exist in the world unlike material objects or physical beings. Allah's existence transcends the world of space and time, as it is He Who has created not only all the objects and beings of the world, but also all the laws of space and time governing material and temporal existence.
Like jesuriah said, if your ontological hypothesis is above causation then so is mine. You can't apply rules to every idea besides your own.
And time has nothing to do with it. Your Allah has specific traits right? Allah likes some things and doesn't like other things right? Well how did Allah come across these traits? Your only answer is that Allah formed out of natural processes, was designed by another "creator", or came out of nothing. There is no way around it!
Well that's good and fine, but you still haven't answered my question. If everything that appears to be designed is designed, then god must have a designer. So I ask you again, what created god? If you can say God came from nothing and exists for no reason, I can say the universe came from nothing and exists for no reason.
Do you believe that god answers prayer and has an effect on this universe? If so, we should be able to test for energy being added to the universe. How do we test it?
To your question 'who created God' - Our ideas of causality and properties are very limited, and even if we completely understood them in our own "dimensions" we could not apply those laws to something "outside" our universe. Your question is sort of like asking, "How much does God weigh?" It simply doesn't apply.
Allah does not exist in the world unlike material objects or physical beings. Allah's existence transcends the world of space and time, as it is He Who has created not only all the objects and beings of the world, but also all the laws of space and time governing material and temporal existence.
You do realize that time didn't exist until the universe began right? You do realize that there are naturalistic explanations for the universe that don't require magic right?
We can only partially comprehend the notion of God's existence. To do so, we must use human concepts to speak of God: "without beginning or end"; "eternal"; "infinite", etc. The Bible says that He has always existed: " . . . even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Psalm 90:2). And, "Your throne is established from of old; Thou art from everlasting" (Psalm 93:2). Quite simply, God has no beginning and no end. So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was.
To us, the notion of time is linear. One second follows the next, one minute is after another. We get older, not younger and we cannot repeat the minutes that have passed us by. We have all seen the time lines on charts: early time is on the left and later time is on the right. We see nations, people's lives, and plans mapped out on straight lines from left to right. We see a beginning and an end. But God is "beyond the chart." He has no beginning or end. He simply has always been.
Also, physics has shown that time is a property that is the result of the existence of matter. Time exists when matter exists. Time has even been called the fourth dimension. But God is not matter. In fact, God created matter. He created the universe. So, time began when God created the universe. Before that, God was simply existing and time had no meaning (except conceptually), no relation to Him.
Einstein has shown that time is the fourth dimension contiguous with space. In other words, we live in a world that is a space-time continuum.
And as Allah is the Creator of time as well as space, He is not limited either by space or time, so He has no beginning in time. Therefore, He does not have a cause.
Therefore, to ask where God came from is to ask a question that cannot really be applied to God in the first place. Because time has no meaning with God in relation to who He is, eternity is also not something that can be absolutely related to God. God is even beyond eternity.
Eternity is a term that we finite creatures use to express the concept of something that has no end -- and/or no beginning. Since God has no beginning or end, He has no beginning. This is because He is outside of time.
God is the ultimate reality of what it means to "exist", He is "existence" in the fullest meaning and He is "reality" in the fullest meaning, hence He can not be "caused" or "created". This relates to God's own name "YHWH" "I AM". God is the fullest meaning of "creator" hence He can not be "created". Second, "creation" and "cause" are reflected in time, and time is limited to the material expansion of the universe (change). God exist separately from the material universe, God exists in eternity.
What we can do is to point out facts which lead to a constant and inescapable awareness of the presence of God. It is clear that logically we cannot rule out the possibility of more things existing than can be perceived by our senses or can be arrived at by our reasoning. As for Man, there are two dimensions to his existence: One of matter and the other of spirit.
Eternity is roughly comparable to an everlasting present. So there was no "before God", because there is only "present with God". Third, "creation" and "causation" is a characteristic of matter, matter is caused, exists in time, and is subject to change. God is not material hence free from matter's characteristics and limitations.
God is pure Spirit, the Holy Spirit of the Father and the Son, three persons in one God. I hope this helps.
In the Qur'an, people are asked to look around them for the signs of Allah in the natural world. The balance of the world, the rhythms of life, are"signs for those who would believe." The universe is in perfect order:the orbits of the planets, the cycles of life and death, the seasons of the year, the mountains and the rivers, the mysteries of the human body.This order and balance are not haphazard nor random. The world, and everything in it, has been created with a perfect plan, by the Creator.
Do we agree that this is a creation? Or do we accept that nothing came out of nothing to form this entire universe?
Everything around us is proving the existence of God, can any body imagine a building without constructor? Or a cake without a baker? A car without manufacturer? how then to accept the existence of the universe without a maker? simple logic
"Do we agree that this is a creation?" Creation does not imply creator all the time. Are snow flakes proof of a snow flake making god? Are waves proof of an angry ocean god? So this depends on what you mean by creation.
"Or do we accept that nothing came out of nothing to form this entire universe?" Well that seems pretty asinine. I don't know anyone who believes this. Maybe you're referencing the big bang, but it seems like you don't really understand it, because it didn't "come ....
...from nothing". The problem with your analogies is as follows, buildings, cake and cars have no naturalistic explanation(other than being man made). They are also designed by humans, so they appear to be designed by us. The universe and everything in it has a naturalistic explanation, that does not include a "design"
If design requires a designer, who designed god? Then after that, who designed god's designer? I'm just using your logic here.
Allah has created all things with His knowledge, wisdom, and power, and protects this creation with His mercy. If the universe was left to its own care for even a twinkle of an eye, it would collapse and perish.
Without using a calculator what is 8x8x8x8x8x8x8x8=?
If you can't calculate a simple number without a calculator then how would you understand the existence of a creator of the heavens and the earth?
What does any of this have to do with your original watchmaker argument, red herrings are not an effective form of argumentation.
"If the universe was left to its own care for even a twinkle of an eye, it would collapse and perish. "
Do you have any evidence, or reasoning(that isn't circular) that this is true? What does comprehension of a deity have to do with the deities origins? By your logic, if you can't calculate that number, you can't comprehend god's existence either.
just because one does not KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS DOES NOT MEAN ONE MAKES UP ANSWERS... just because science does not know the answers now does not mean the answers are unknowable... think back (not long ago) people once thought the planet was flat and people also got the whole earth and moon relationship wrong too... prove you are right in this matter - not with brain washed nonsense force fed from birth... but with real scientific proof... without using any religious books or references - please
See science can not tell us why this universe and us and nature began to exist but science will only tell us how it formed and how it works, There is a binging and an end! You are born and you will die! So the universe also has a beginning and an end.
If you look at the universe, the earth and everything else you come to a conclusion that a creator created it just like if you look at a painting you will know that an artist painted it so when you eat your food God created that for you when drink its God that send water from the sky. So my friend you see with out a mighty and a wise creator there wouldnt be a universe, earth, us and everything else things just dont make them selves you know.
If you think about god that way, then God must be the most highly organized, most complicated thing in or outside of the the universe. This means that god also needs a cause. I get my food from the supermarket, and rain comes from clouds.
So of course, if god is the creator of all, then there must be a god for that god, and back into infinity.
If there were many gods then one god would decide to create human beings the other might want to created aliens and other one might want to kill everything so there wouldnt be a balance and stable universe like it is now. So Allah is the only one true God of the universe. According the Christians Jesus dead on the cross, God does not die, Jesus eat food and went to the toilet a god does not do these kind of things but Jesus peace be upon him was only a man and a prophet of God
There is no way The universe, The earth, and Human people came from an explotion. Doesn't add up in any way. No matter how you say it, It doesn't make sense. There has to be a creator involved in this!!!! If I smashed up my watch and through it into a bag and shook it for a million years, would it form back into a watch. NO! It needs a creator!! God is alive, and He does exist. No matter how you say it, an explotion in the sky can't create life.
Between the 7th and 16th century muslims introduced the scientific revolution of the time, YOU go read history, no one is allowed to kill the innocent not in a single verse in quran, read it, and understand the context within wich it came, its easy to be blind, it take more energy to use your brain to try to analyze, if you have hatred since childhood, or during upraisal with moslems, dont try to put it forwad intellectually, you put forwad weak arguments..
He has layed out a clear path and then made it known to them the two ways. The person is always free to make his or her own choice. There is not complusion in the way of"Islam."Whoever choses to worship Allah without partners and is devoted to Him and is obeying His commands as much as possible, has grasped the firm handhold that will never break. Whoever denies God and choses some other way to worship or not to believe at all, for them there is an eternal punishment that is most horrible (Hell)
. Allah has sent down miracles, revelations and messengers to give clear proofs He exists and more important, what we should do once we come to this realization.
Allah has sent prophets and messengers with many proofs throughout the ages for people to be able to clearly see with their own eyes and to be able to use their own senses the miracles and proofs pointing to the fact, Allah does in fact, exist.
Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind. Actually, while reading the Quran you learn He has brought many types and shapes and sizes as He Wills. Changes within species occur even as quickly as one or two seasons, not even taking a whole year, much less millions as was supposed by Darwin.
The video seams to exploit the word explosion. The big bang is not an explosion in the conventional sense, it's a rapid expansion that includes space and time. It's a completely different thing. Categorizing it and explaining it as an explosion is a dishonest thing to do. And our galaxies and solar systems can form completely within the "laws" of the universe, and does not need divine guidance, if it did, then the entire "fine tuning" argument is null, because god ignores the laws to "help."
the Qur'an says that "the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder".Following this big explosion, Allah "turned to the sky, and it had been(as)smoke. He said to it and to the earth: 'Come together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We come (together) in willing obedience'.Thus the elements and what was to become the planets and stars began to cool, come together, and form into shape,following the natural laws that Allah established in the universe
The Qur'an also does not rule out the idea that the universe is continuing to expand. "The heavens, We have built them with power. And verily, We are expanding it" (51:47). There has been some historical debate among Muslim scholars about the precise meaning of this verse, since knowledge of the universe's expansion was only recently discovered.
In order for there to be laws of the universe there has to be order which also means there has to be a creator or intelligence to make these laws work. watch?v=FTEPLoCQW-g&feature=channel_page
A universe without laws is not a universe, it would just do nothing. All you're basically saying is "The universe is proof for god." And that's about as good as an argument as saying "the universe is proof for not-god." You need actual evidence to prove god, not just a god of the gaps approach.
Again with the "everything is evidence for a designer" approach. Let me just do the same as you and say "you're not looking at all the evidence for a lack of a designer, and that's just plain denial of the facts." But it's funny that you, a person who would favorite a video called "The Imaginary Assumptions of Man Sold As Science," would accuse another person of "denial of the facts."
I suggest reading books like "Finding Darwin's God" by the biology professor and christian Kenneth Miller.
Kenneth Miller is not a Christian. He claims he is a catholic, which may explain his delusion and confusion or he is just using that I am a Christian crap to make people think you can believe in god and evolution and you can't. You can not have it both ways. As far I am concerned Kenneth Miller is a Christian fraud and a puppet .
Yes I am a Cynical bitch of anyone that claims to be a Christian and doesn't believe in the Lords words in scripture! Being a Christian Does not mean you agree with fake Christians like Kenneth Miller. If I did then I would not be a Christian.Jesus warns us about wolves wearing sheep's clothing!!!
We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe Allah created everything without having to see Him
One of the reasons we know paintings has painters, is because we've seen painters before. Also, painters paint using... paint. God CREATES using nothing, this is an ENTIRELY different situation. Do rocks need rock-makers? Well... kind of! But it doesn't need to be an intelligent being, and we have no idea of knowing weather the creation of the universe was a naturalistic non-thinking cause, or a "god."
As far as the video you asked me to watch, I watched and I remain quite unconvinced.
We know from the teachings of Muhammad (peace be upon him) the proofs for the existence of God (Allah) are most obvious to us in our everyday surroundings. Anyone with understanding would quickly acknowledge His existence provided they are not so stubborn as to ignore the obvious evidences right in front of us.
Obviously you don't understand that laws of nature are just reflections of how we see the world and what we observe it doing, and not fundamental laws that exist throughout the galaxy. These laws of nature are endemic to just our culture and minds. Also, if things weren't the way they were we wouldn't be here. The fact that we're alive is proof that conditions are right for life to exist, not proof of some sort of diety or higher power. Our existence does not imply creation, nor are we special.
And then consider if a tornado came through a junkyard and tore through the old cars; would it leave behind a nice new Mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around? Naturally not.
Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe that Allah created everything without having to see Him
That's exactly what you don't understand. You have no grasp of these scientific ideas that underlie what scientists believe. Evolution is not a tornado lol. You can't take an extremely complex theory and idea and just reduce it to a tornado in a trailer park because that's not just a totally wrong analogy, it's stupid.
Also, the idea that somehow there's this great plan or organization in the universe is wrong too. The universe is chaotic, unpredictable, and confusing. There's no grand design.
I swear to God whom is your God aswell you all Christians... That Jesus is Innocent of all your false actions and beliefs. Mark my words, when Jesus comes back in the future... You will then bow down on your knees and believe, lets just hope you live up until that moment because if you die as you are now (Unbeliever-Kafer) I dont know what will happen to you but lets just say you better pray good...
The Big Bang was not an explosion. This is a big strawman argument. Typical creationist tactic. Maybe if people actually READ what the theory says then they wouldn't misinterpret it. You can't prove or disprove God because God is by the definition of most believer OUTSIDE of reality. So quit trying. I guess faith isn't good enough for believers.
'Big Bang' theory tries to explain the existence of the universe in an evolutionary manner having an initial beginning with an immense explosion of some gases or solid mass. Some say there first was a void or nothingness, or perhaps, some gases which exploded then from this everything in the universe simply began to evolve to the stage that we see now.
Islam tells us Allah is both The Creator & The Evolver, of all that exits.
Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together in one entity, then We forcibly Disintegrated them, and We Made from water every living thing, do not they then believe ? (Quran) The big bang is mentioned in the Holy Quran, which was revealed to Prophet Mohammad (ppbuh), more than fourteen centuries ago.
Before such observations, astronomers thought that the rest of the universe existed
"Proving" God exists is really not our purpose. We are only interested in providing clear statements based on facts and logic and then allow the individual decide for themselves who they would like to believe. There have always been people who believed in the existence of God and there have always been those who have denied in His existence. We must realize there are those who will never believe no matter how much proof or evidence we produce.
The reason is some people don't want to believe in a Creator or Sustainer. They would not like to consider one day they will have to answer for their actions and for their refusal to acknowledge their Benefactor to whom they owe their very existence. We come to know it is not so much a matter of us trying to convey our beliefs as it is for them to set aside preconceived prejudices against proper belief. Meaning: this is really a matter of guidance from Above.
If they refuse even with evident proofs in front of them, this is not between us and them; it is between them and their Creator. Again, it is not our job to "prove" anything to anyone. We only need to present the facts in truth and allow the listener to make up their own mind.
What you need to learn is the scriptures found by the sumerians describing who we really are and where we really came from. Planet earth is only a planetarium for creatures that come from different planets. NASA is a company runned by nazis that hide secrets from us. But these extraterrestrials will show themselvs eventualy and tell us our tru history, not the bullshit one made up by the ruling elites.
dont worry ALLAH will punish disbelievers,they have 3 gods and jesus is one of them.i say --theres one god and mohammed saw is his messanger--.whoever cant accept this sentence will be sentenced by ALLAH.
You should re-think everything about your religion. Christianity is the only religion in the world that asked to give love and have love. for example Jesus said if someone hits you on one cheek you give him the other. other religions just ask you to have love. Therefor this makes Christianity the purest religion ever created.
we see you and your religion what are doing.christians are the biggest torturers,abusers,killers,massacres.you dont even care jesus.you remember him on christmas times.
who have I ever tortured abuse dor killed? i dont remember jesus on christmas days cuz thats not his birthdate you no nothing your a punk i pray everyday you dont know shit about me, wat u said to me is like me saying oh, muslims tortured killed and massacred christians in my country do i hate on them like you? no i dont give a fuck im just sayin what christianity teachs is nothing like other religions so watch who u disrespect i dont go around unsulting your religion ignorant idiot
ya well at least we dont run around killing old people and little children. you the most pathetic person i have ever met your just like every other ignorant fucking muslim n jew you just hate everyone but urselvs well guess wat Allah dosn't appreaciate you going around insulting ppl and that is why u will burn in hell forall eternatty have a good life u fake arab piece of shit
ignorant fuckin muslim? me? no you have no idea what i know about this life and afterlife.i hate christian lebanese people i was working for them they are extremely cheap,mannerless people.they got my right and i will request my right from them on the day of judgement
53 Quran- We will show Our signs to them in the horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient that your Lord witnesses all things?
Unbelievers contended that the Quran was Muhammads own fabrication and not the revelation of God. How then would these dissenters explain the fact that Muhammad had been the only person who was aware of the expanding universe long before the 1920s.
God who makes us thirsty has also created water to quench thirst. God who makes us hungry has also created the food we need. Getting thirsty and hungry are different from the existence of water and food in the outside world. We might feel the need for something that did not exist in the world, rather than water, viz. the molecules whose constituents are hydrogen and oxygen. But the fact is that our body is made to want what it is programmed in it.
god is energy that greated and controls this universal the way it is that why we could feel the energy around us every day while we alive and we try to connect our self to this powerful force in positive ways...
God almighty is the ever living, eternal that means that He never begot nor no one gave birth to Him, He has always existed and no one is like Him. God almighty is above the Heaven and the Earth, He can see and hear everything in the universe
God is real, people are ignorant and corrupt by evil spirits too see whets out there.
suprajazz 8 months ago
expLosiOn??
so how come that a man formed after explosion?
bryan020392 1 year ago
There is a God!
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
Did the universe form to fit us, or did we form to fit the universe?
Even if accept this argument of an initial creator, in what way does this lend credence to a particular creed?
That is, except for circular references in ancient dogma, what says that this creator is not brahma, yahwe, or any of the other thousands of gods humankind has invented?
Skymt 2 years ago 34
The Qur'an states that "Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days" (7:54). While on the surface this might seem similar to the account related in the Bible, there are some important distinctions.
In one case, the measure of a day is equated with 50,000 years (70:4), whereas another verse states that "a day in the sight of your Lord is like 1,000 years of your reckoning" (22:47).
wallidjan 2 years ago
Lolz! How come the Qu'ran is so much like the bible??? ever thought about that?? well u probably kno when mohammad asked the Christians and jews to create a new religion, they refused and he just went to the desert and come back with this book nearly a copy of the Bible. Well still they didnt listen (fortunately) so he went to the desert again, got an army and invaded the city of Mecca... THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU????????????????
nafedz 2 years ago
"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness." (Surah Zumar 39:6)
"Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;"
(Surah Mu'minum 23:13)
The drop or nutfah has been interpreted as the sperm or spermatozoon, but a more meaningful interpretation would be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest").
wallidjan 2 years ago
The word "youm" is thus understood, within the Qur'an, to be a long period of time -- an era or eon. Therefore, Muslims interpret the description of a "six day" creation as six distinct periods or eons.
After completing the Creation, the Qur'an describes that Allah "settled Himself upon the Throne (As fits His majesty)" (57:4) to oversee His work.
Allah is never "done" with His work, because the process of creation is ongoing.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Skymt
Your wrong and not informed my friend. I am a Catholic, yet I believe in Allah and Yaheew, know why. Because God, Allah and Yaweeh are the same deity. Although i worship the creator differently then a Muslim or a Jew, the One God is what remains constant. Your argument of our belief is based upon misinformation. If you had studied theology or knew anything about the world's three largest and most intricate religion perhaps you would have not made this comment.
booksmart115 2 years ago 5
@Skymt Main idea: God exists, if u have problems with faith, then that's ur problem, u'll figure it out by the time u're dead (or not, since u're an atheists) matter doesnt come from nothing!!
shoussam 1 day ago
I'm not a least bit surprised that the ratings are disabled. Lets see whats wrong then:
1. the big band was not an explosion but rather an inflation
2. matter did not explode into space, space itself was created along with time and everything else
3. The cosmos is far from a perfect order: black holes, imperfect orbits, galactic collisions etc etc
4. again, the big bang is not an explosion
Thats only the first 1:15 of the clip and I ran out of space to type. Why distort the facts?
omegavalerius 2 years ago 98
The Qur'an further states that Allah created the sun, the moon, and the planets, each with their own individual courses or orbits. "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon; all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course" (21:33).
The Qur'an also does not rule out the idea that the universe is continuing to expand. "The heavens, We have built them with power. And verily, We are expanding it" (51:47).
wallidjan 2 years ago
@omegavalerius These are valid points.Are there any other points which you have noticed during the rest of the video?
MazenAlsharief 3 days ago
@omegavalerius I just hope for a black hole to swallow the milky way ASAP!!!
shoussam 1 day ago
when we die our molecules and atoms blend with the existing universe, our escence is gone but the material that we were made of is completely recycled, we humans are an incredible tiny part of an incredibly big system. All the discoveries just make us realize how little we know, everytime we open one door we discover 100 more. The universe is more like a dream than anything else.
michaelmusica 2 years ago
"" Verily, with ALLAH alone is the knowledge of the Hour. And HE sends down the rain, and HE knows what is in the wombs. And no soul knows what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul knows in what land it will die. Surely, ALLAH is All-Knowing, All-Aware. "" Quran 31:34
And he (i.e. man) presents for Us an example (i.e. attempting to establish the finality of death) and forgets his [own] creation. ...
wallidjan 2 years ago
...He says, Who will give life to bones while they are disintegrated? Say, He will give them life who produced them the first time; and He is, of all creation, Knowing. [It is] He who made for you from the green tree, fire, and then from it you ignite. Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes, [it is so]; and He is the Knowing Creator. Quran, 36:78-81
wallidjan 2 years ago
great
thanks
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
:) nice use of sophism in this video.
frankiedetergent 2 years ago
SubhanAllah!
Tessahh83 2 years ago
Wonderful video, congratulations!
YARTES2K8 2 years ago
big bang is just a theory
its not even prooven
and if so the big bang created the universe then what space was before the bigbang. and where did the bigbang took place ? not in the universe because it created the universe and even if god created the universe who created god ?
or did god was always there ?
this is getting complicated.
dte75just 2 years ago
You bet it's complicated, especially when one tries to prove the impossible. Watch God Is Impossible: A Final Proof. And you will understand how the system works.
lynneatwater 2 years ago
Look in any fisics textbook for scientific evidence of Jesus creating the Universe:
Mainly: The second "commandment" of therodienamicks: Entropy: Any close system becomes less complix over time. According to this law, any closed system, including the known universe should after a period of time, encounters what physicists call 'heat death' Therefore, the universe had to be created by the Christian God. All you liberals who disagree can suck my titballs!
Wanda4DecentValues 2 years ago
Before the ROMAN'S inforced their doctrine through the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, JESUS WAS KNOWN AS A PROPHET SENT BY GOD, BY THE EARLY CHRISTIANS IN JERUSALEM AND MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD. The Bible still holds many clues of this which were not omitted when the Bible was compiled in the 3rd Century.
wallidjan 2 years ago
what is the image seen at 5:16 called??
dukefiya 2 years ago
THE BIG BANG WAS NOT AN EXPLOSION.
fail.
TheAmazingSatirist 2 years ago 71
@TheAmazingSatirist I agree. Even Alan Guth a knowledgeable person about this clearly states the the big bang is not an explosion. Explosions don't behave like the big bang. The big bang is simply the expansion of the space-time fabric. Explosions are inhomogeneous and have irregular patterns.
FallofDarkness55 9 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 the word big bang is not an accurate word to describe the beginning of the universe as Allah (God Almighty) say: Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass, then We clove them asunder? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
wallidjan 9 months ago
without humanity the existence of God is impossible.
Unityspirit50 2 years ago
So because nature is too complex, it couldn't have happened by itself? I don't buy it. The universe has been around for an unimaginably long time. Things are bound to happen over that period of time. In another billion years, our little insignificant corner of the universe could look vastly different.
The beauty of nature is its complexity and structured chaos. The universe is a knowable place, even if we don't have all of the answers yet.
xxblodlustxx 2 years ago 3
The West assumes that all living creatures are their own lords, work in their own name and for their own pleasure, and that their only aim in life is to survive. It does not see the universal mutual helping among them, as established by their Creator. Plants help animals, and animals help humanity. But it sees even this as conflict and contention, and preaches that life consists of conflict even though all food particles or atoms help nourish the bodys cells.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Are you speaking of the creator that supposedly created a system where animals must kill and eat each other to survive?
trueleroix 2 years ago
Jesus is LORD
muslims will go to hell
gokulsocrates 2 years ago
YO DUDE!!!!
you are supposed to pray for them... and not judging them... they are our lost brothers...
with that kind of judgment you think you could go to heaven????
PRAY FOR THEM... and pray also to our catholic brothers...
ZaiBaTRoN 2 years ago
I'll pray brother
gokulsocrates 2 years ago
Your imaginary friend is better than theirs?
trueleroix 2 years ago
the big bang was an explosion from a star that was smaller than a corx. A good question is this: How did the star get there? Was there a time before this star when it was big, before it collapsed into something so small?
Many atheists respond "There was nothing before this star." God created the universe from nothing. Since nothing came before the big bang, it supports God's creation from nothing. Therefore, the evidence points towards Christianity, and is right as the video title suggests.
terrabowser765 2 years ago
Did you know that Noah, Moses and Jesus are the prophets of muslims?. There has been approximately 124,000 prophets who have come into this world. In Islam and Christianity we believe that we are the children of Adam (A.W) and Eve and this is spoken in both the Quran and the Bible. The main problem that we face today is that the Bible has been altered from its original form which was in the Aramaic language. It was altered during the translation to various languages.
wallidjan 2 years ago
and what does Adam and Eve have to do with the evidence of the Big Bang Theory pointing towards Christianity? you changed the subject.
terrabowser765 2 years ago
Well actually, since time and space are joined, the Big Bang was also the beginning of time. The question "what was before the Big Bang" is like asking "what's North of the North Pole?"
Indeed, this doesn't explain how it happened.
But reasons and causality exist only within this universe, we have no reason to believe it exists 'outside', or 'before'.
Maybe it just did. Along with every other possible universe, we can't know!
But if you want, go ahead and take a God. Whatever floats your boat.
Tincuradan 2 years ago
In the Qur'an, God invites people to reject blindly accepting the beliefs and values society imposes on them and to ponder by pushing aside all the prejudices, taboos and constraints on their minds. Man must think on how he came into being, what is the purpose of his life, why he will die and what awaits him after death.
wallidjan 2 years ago
wakoko
scientist said it was from a GREAT EXPLOSION...
wakoko
the bible says that GOD said LET THERE BE LIGHT and there was LIGHT....
it was the same thing the scientist called "EXPLOSION".
dont they think that it would be better to think that we have a GOD to save us all???!
for crying out loud.... they cant even explain where the mass of energy was from...
WE HAVE a GOD.
ZaiBaTRoN 2 years ago
idiot i believe in God why are you telling me this when it is obvious to me? you seem to not understand that i was supporting His existence with my comment. i said either way, creation or big bang, BOTH are evidence FOR God. understand now?
terrabowser765 2 years ago
Actually what they refer tho the big bang, was actually the gushing out of nothingness of light 's first appearance when God pronounced the words in the time of creation, i guess it was as powerful as an explosion, but we all know that explosions destroys and scatter its source.
Nothing can be created from an explosion, especially not thing as complex as planets and living being.
There is no other explanation than : the creator created the creation and the living creatures.
DenaGee 2 years ago
but god created the sun so there was already light and darkness and day and night.
12345soccerguy 2 years ago
"for crying out loud.... they cant even explain where the mass of energy was from..."
Nobody can explain that, and if you believe The Bible, you shouldn't even try to think about things like that. You might blow a gasket.
trueleroix 2 years ago
First they make such videos, then they tell you Earth is 6000 years old, later they tell you God asks you to pay tithes of increasing rate, because otherwise you will go to Hell since Earth will die soon.
Maliciuos 2 years ago
In the Qur'an, people are asked to look around them for the signs of Allah in the natural world. The balance of the world, the rhythms of life, are "signs for those who would believe." The universe is in perfect order: the orbits of the planets, the cycles of life and death, the seasons of the year, the mountains and the rivers, the mysteries of the human body. This order and balance are not haphazard nor random. The world, and everything in it, has been created with a perfect plan, by Allah.
wallidjan 2 years ago
How do you understand the order? What is Allah's order of things? There is no greater order. Universe and life is total chaos. It's a complete order, only if you choose not to see things.
Maliciuos 2 years ago 2
"And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming."
[Noble Quran 21:33]
The Quran encourages people to travel throughout the earth to see God's signs and patterns everywhere.
"We (Allah) will show you (mankind) Our signs/patterns in the horizons/universe and in yourselves until you are convinced that the revelation is the truth."
[Noble Quran 41:53]
wallidjan 2 years ago
Not an answer to my questions really.
Maliciuos 2 years ago
hahahahahaha explain dinasaures then hahahaha
hellsassassin53 2 years ago
And Allah has Created every animal from water; of them are some creeping on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some on four. Allah Creates what He wills: for sure Allah has Power over all things.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Exactly, but you surely can't take Qur'an and the Bible literally, because they give a symbolical picture of how God created everything. Allah or Jehovah, there is a God, there is an all mighty force that has made this perfect order in the universe.
Dodo251 2 years ago
The heavens and the earth were one before they were ripped apart. Life started in the water and living things are mostly water [Quran 21:30]. Today when scientists look for traces of life on Mars or Jupiter moons, they look for water!
Reptiles came out of the water and were followed by two legged then 4 legged creatures [24:45].
wallidjan 2 years ago
Now answer this. If allah created the universe, who created him. There's a beginning for everything, so dont say any bullshit like he has always been in existence.
papapaha 2 years ago
'If allah created the universe, who created him'=If you painted the backdoor of your house with red colour, then who painted you ?
'There's a beginning for everything'=everything is painted. Your question is assuming that the creator is created which is wrong similar to the assumption that you are painted.
muslimblanc 2 years ago
You and muslimblanc are avoiding my question here. First off, muslimblanc, your example is pretty poor. Painting a door and being painted has nothing to do with creation. Instead of painting the door, think of it as "creating the PAINTED door". I created it and I was created also. There Is a beginning to everything, you have no proof to back up that your god has always been in existence.
papapaha 2 years ago
papapaha: If you are sincerely looking for truth, think about it. I proved that your question is based on a false assumption. God is not a man, why are you applying the word 'created' on beings of different nature ? The word 'created ' applies to creature not the creator. You are not a backdoor and therefore I cannot apply the word 'painted' to you. The question 'Who painted you ?' is wrong and so is the question 'who created the creator ?'
muslimblanc 2 years ago
Everything is "created" in some way or another. If your god exists, then who "created" him? And what is your god if he is not a man? And if " who created the creator" is the wrong question, then what is?
papapaha 2 years ago
(2nd Part of my answer)
Scientists believe that CLOCK started clicking at the time of Big bang implying that there was NO time before Big Bang and hence time was created at the time of Big Bang. This is in perfect harmony with the Quran which declares that 'Time is the creation of ALLAH' So proving my point that time cannot be applied to GOD. Because our thinking power is so limited that we just cannot comprehend this notion of TIMELESSNESS! (refer to 3rd part of my answer please sorry for this)
MRIYBR 2 years ago
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schcxmark 2 years ago
papa , energy is eternal it has always been there thats a well known science, so then why cant we believe that thus god is eternal.
1MrSpider 2 years ago
Nothing can only create nothing before the universe began something must have always existed, its energy, energy is eternal, the 1st law of thermodynamics confirms that, it states energy can not be created or distroyed, no begining or un created and no end,thats the definition of eternal,u also cant claim this energy has always existed in the universe because science has proven that the universe didnt always exist. so to say god is uncreated,eternal,responsible for the big bang iswithin science
1MrSpider 2 years ago
God is beyond our sight and understanding, yet at the same time "nearer to us than our jugular vein"(Qur'an). Muslims pray directly to God, with no intermediary, and seek guidance from Him alone, because "...Allah knows well the secrets of your hearts" (Qur'an). "When My servants ask thee concerning Me,
I am indeed close I respond to the prayer of every suppliant when he calls on Me.Let them also, with a will,Listen to My call, and believe in Me, that they may walk in the right way."Qur'an
wallidjan 2 years ago
(3rd Part of my answer)
Now because GOD himself created TIME, so he is not bound by the limitations of time. He is out of this sphere of TIME.
Now another remarkable verse in The Quran that strengthened my belief in the Existence of ALLAH as the ONLY GOD goes like "Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then we clove them asunder "(Quran 21:30) (isn't this a direct reference to the Big Bang presented to us 1400 years ago?)
MRIYBR 2 years ago
It is self-evident that things that begin have a cause. Indeed, no science is possible without the law of cause and effect, and the study of history would not make sense if causes do not lead to effects. What is more is that we cannot hold the absurd logical position that the universe created itself, because nothing comes out of nothing!
wallidjan 2 years ago
In short, to the question, "Who created Allah?" we can give this answer: By definition, Allah is the First Cause and the Uncreated Creator of all. For everything to exist or begin to be, a Ground of Being is necessary, and Allah is the Ground of Being. So without Allah, nothing can be, nothing is possible. So the question "Who created Allah?" is nonsensical; it takes us nowhere; it is a meaningless question somewhat like "What is the color of music?"
wallidjan 2 years ago
Now, wallidjan, "nothing comes out of nothing" and "Allah is the First Cause and the Uncreated Creator of all. For everything to exist or begin to be, a Ground of Being is necessary, and Allah is the Ground of Being" are pretty contradictory, don't you think? You are saying that Allah was created by nothing, but nothing comes out of nothing, so Allah IS NOTHING.
papapaha 2 years ago
Hi. Let me try to explain. Your question that who created GOD actually means who was before GOD. Try to understand this one.
These notions such as 'before' 'after' 15 billion years.2 seconds. ALL are dependent on time. Because we all are bound by the limitations of time, such words does apply to us. But think of something NOT bound by the limitations of time! So you cannot really ask who was before GOD(and hence who created HIM). so far so good? (go to second part of my answer now please)
MRIYBR 2 years ago
Creator=UNLIKE creation
imran12896 2 years ago
You can verify every detail in my answers from the internet. (e.g. That Quranic verse and starting of time from the Big Bang and any other) !!!
Enjoy and do ask if you still have question!
MRIYBR 2 years ago
The heavens are expanding [Quran 51:47]. Modern science tells us that the universe was started from a singularity. The pictures taken by Edwin Hubbell in Mount Wilson observatory in 1929 showed that the universe was expanding which led to the Big Bang theory. The Qur'an anticipated this "discovery" by 14 centuries.
wallidjan 2 years ago
"The Qur'an anticipated this "discovery" by 14 centuries" - wallidjan
This is a classic piece of after-the-fact assumption. There is no sensible defence for your claim that the quran anticipated the big bang theory. The line "the heavens are expanding" is not, in any rational or intelligent way, an anticipation of the big bang theory. You've simply chosen to see four words as a prediction of sorts, and are ignoring rationality and reason.
stalwartatheist 2 years ago 2
If it was THAT clear, then why didn't Muslims come up with the Big Bang theory before the west did? They had 1300 years ahead start after all!
fluxqubit 2 years ago
In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, there are Signs for people of intelligence: those who remember God standing, sitting and lying on their sides, and reflect on the creation of the heavens and the earth:
Our Lord, You did not create this for nothing. Glory be to You!
wallidjan 2 years ago
Ah, one more thing, the big bang was not an explosion, that's just a word people use because it's easier than saying "the rapid expansion of space/time". Explosion is a gross misunderstanding and or oversimplification.
jesuriah 2 years ago
An example is have them consider what might happen if a tornado came through a junkyard and tore through the old cars; would it leave behind a nice new Mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around?
wallidjan 2 years ago
cars aren't alive, so your example is bad. but here is a good example, if you found a mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around, would it be logical to beleive that mercedes appeared there because god magically created it?
errskin 2 years ago
cars aren't alive, so your example is bad. but here is a good example, if you found a mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around, would it be logical to beleive that mercedes appeared there because god magically created it?
errskin 2 years ago
But....that's not an accurate example either. You should research a subject before you try to disprove it so you know what you're talking about.
jesuriah 2 years ago
epic fail.
The order of the universe is only valid for this universe. It's possible that either this is the only possible result OR that there have been billions of collapses and explosions and this was the only one that fell perfectly for the rules we now experience. Read some Dawkins.
gamutman 2 years ago
We would like to explore the idea of creation from a purely logical standpoint using simple terminology without religious hype, emotional pre-convictions or superstitions. What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this:
A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile.. with no left over parts.. and the motor is running.
wallidjan 2 years ago
As I said, read some Dawkins. Evolution theory does not suggest that life fell into place perfectly. Evolution is not about chance. It's about selection. Cosmologically speaking, galaxies and planetary systems also did not fall into perfect order either. It's a gradual process in which hydrogen molecules exchange atoms and heavier and heavier atoms form until stars are born and die and the materials are thrown out and gravity pulls themn together again etc, until we have what we have.
gamutman 2 years ago
The origin of species was written over 150 years ago. It will soon be rewritten!
xtrashed 2 years ago
That's a complete strawman argument and you know it. That's not what anyone is suggesting.
jesuriah 2 years ago
Can We See God?
The human mind is a true marvel, but in certain areas it is limited. God is different from anything the human mind can think of or imagine, so the mind will become confused if it tries to picture God. Nevertheless, it is possible to understand the attributes of God that do not require one to make any mental pictures of Him. Jewish and Christian teachings on God are confused partly because of incorrect understanding of this issue, Torah teaches God is like man.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Again you've sidestepped my question. If god effects this universe, we should see increases in energy when he acts on it. Besides, this is only your specific interpretation of god, some people believe that god lives in a rock, and thus they can see god.
Now, back to the original question. If god doesn't need a cause because he existed outside of space and time, then neither does the universe, because prior to its' existence there was no such thing as space and time.
jesuriah 2 years ago
Einstein has shown that time is the fourth dimension contiguous with space. In other words, we live in a world that is a space-time continuum.
The point is that Allah does not exist in the world unlike material objects or physical beings. Allah's existence transcends the world of space and time, as it is He Who has created not only all the objects and beings of the world, but also all the laws of space and time governing material and temporal existence.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Like jesuriah said, if your ontological hypothesis is above causation then so is mine. You can't apply rules to every idea besides your own.
And time has nothing to do with it. Your Allah has specific traits right? Allah likes some things and doesn't like other things right? Well how did Allah come across these traits? Your only answer is that Allah formed out of natural processes, was designed by another "creator", or came out of nothing. There is no way around it!
SpazzyMcGee1336 2 years ago
Well that's good and fine, but you still haven't answered my question. If everything that appears to be designed is designed, then god must have a designer. So I ask you again, what created god? If you can say God came from nothing and exists for no reason, I can say the universe came from nothing and exists for no reason.
Do you believe that god answers prayer and has an effect on this universe? If so, we should be able to test for energy being added to the universe. How do we test it?
jesuriah 2 years ago
To your question 'who created God' - Our ideas of causality and properties are very limited, and even if we completely understood them in our own "dimensions" we could not apply those laws to something "outside" our universe. Your question is sort of like asking, "How much does God weigh?" It simply doesn't apply.
xtrashed 2 years ago
Right well I'm responding to the watchmaker argument in this part.
Anyway, if you can say that god is eternal and came from nothing out of nowhere, I can take the same stance on the universe.
jesuriah 2 years ago
Allah does not exist in the world unlike material objects or physical beings. Allah's existence transcends the world of space and time, as it is He Who has created not only all the objects and beings of the world, but also all the laws of space and time governing material and temporal existence.
wallidjan 2 years ago
You do realize that time didn't exist until the universe began right? You do realize that there are naturalistic explanations for the universe that don't require magic right?
jesuriah 2 years ago
Einstein has shown that time is the fourth dimension contiguous with space. In other words, we live in a world that is a space-time continuum.
And as Allah is the Creator of time as well as space, He is not limited either by space or time, so He has no beginning in time.
wallidjan 2 years ago
We can only partially comprehend the notion of God's existence. To do so, we must use human concepts to speak of God: "without beginning or end"; "eternal"; "infinite", etc. The Bible says that He has always existed: " . . . even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Psalm 90:2). And, "Your throne is established from of old; Thou art from everlasting" (Psalm 93:2). Quite simply, God has no beginning and no end. So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was.
xtrashed 2 years ago
To us, the notion of time is linear. One second follows the next, one minute is after another. We get older, not younger and we cannot repeat the minutes that have passed us by. We have all seen the time lines on charts: early time is on the left and later time is on the right. We see nations, people's lives, and plans mapped out on straight lines from left to right. We see a beginning and an end. But God is "beyond the chart." He has no beginning or end. He simply has always been.
xtrashed 2 years ago
Also, physics has shown that time is a property that is the result of the existence of matter. Time exists when matter exists. Time has even been called the fourth dimension. But God is not matter. In fact, God created matter. He created the universe. So, time began when God created the universe. Before that, God was simply existing and time had no meaning (except conceptually), no relation to Him.
xtrashed 2 years ago
Einstein has shown that time is the fourth dimension contiguous with space. In other words, we live in a world that is a space-time continuum.
And as Allah is the Creator of time as well as space, He is not limited either by space or time, so He has no beginning in time. Therefore, He does not have a cause.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Therefore, to ask where God came from is to ask a question that cannot really be applied to God in the first place. Because time has no meaning with God in relation to who He is, eternity is also not something that can be absolutely related to God. God is even beyond eternity.
Eternity is a term that we finite creatures use to express the concept of something that has no end -- and/or no beginning. Since God has no beginning or end, He has no beginning. This is because He is outside of time.
xtrashed 2 years ago
God is the ultimate reality of what it means to "exist", He is "existence" in the fullest meaning and He is "reality" in the fullest meaning, hence He can not be "caused" or "created". This relates to God's own name "YHWH" "I AM". God is the fullest meaning of "creator" hence He can not be "created". Second, "creation" and "cause" are reflected in time, and time is limited to the material expansion of the universe (change). God exist separately from the material universe, God exists in eternity.
xtrashed 2 years ago
What we can do is to point out facts which lead to a constant and inescapable awareness of the presence of God. It is clear that logically we cannot rule out the possibility of more things existing than can be perceived by our senses or can be arrived at by our reasoning. As for Man, there are two dimensions to his existence: One of matter and the other of spirit.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Eternity is roughly comparable to an everlasting present. So there was no "before God", because there is only "present with God". Third, "creation" and "causation" is a characteristic of matter, matter is caused, exists in time, and is subject to change. God is not material hence free from matter's characteristics and limitations.
God is pure Spirit, the Holy Spirit of the Father and the Son, three persons in one God. I hope this helps.
xtrashed 2 years ago
In the Qur'an, people are asked to look around them for the signs of Allah in the natural world. The balance of the world, the rhythms of life, are"signs for those who would believe." The universe is in perfect order:the orbits of the planets, the cycles of life and death, the seasons of the year, the mountains and the rivers, the mysteries of the human body.This order and balance are not haphazard nor random. The world, and everything in it, has been created with a perfect plan, by the Creator.
wallidjan 2 years ago
WOW quote mining Hawkings....this video is full of crap.
jesuriah 2 years ago
Do we agree that this is a creation? Or do we accept that nothing came out of nothing to form this entire universe?
Everything around us is proving the existence of God, can any body imagine a building without constructor? Or a cake without a baker? A car without manufacturer? how then to accept the existence of the universe without a maker? simple logic
wallidjan 2 years ago
"Do we agree that this is a creation?" Creation does not imply creator all the time. Are snow flakes proof of a snow flake making god? Are waves proof of an angry ocean god? So this depends on what you mean by creation.
"Or do we accept that nothing came out of nothing to form this entire universe?" Well that seems pretty asinine. I don't know anyone who believes this. Maybe you're referencing the big bang, but it seems like you don't really understand it, because it didn't "come ....
jesuriah 2 years ago
...from nothing". The problem with your analogies is as follows, buildings, cake and cars have no naturalistic explanation(other than being man made). They are also designed by humans, so they appear to be designed by us. The universe and everything in it has a naturalistic explanation, that does not include a "design"
If design requires a designer, who designed god? Then after that, who designed god's designer? I'm just using your logic here.
jesuriah 2 years ago
Allah has created all things with His knowledge, wisdom, and power, and protects this creation with His mercy. If the universe was left to its own care for even a twinkle of an eye, it would collapse and perish.
Without using a calculator what is 8x8x8x8x8x8x8x8=?
If you can't calculate a simple number without a calculator then how would you understand the existence of a creator of the heavens and the earth?
wallidjan 2 years ago
What does any of this have to do with your original watchmaker argument, red herrings are not an effective form of argumentation.
"If the universe was left to its own care for even a twinkle of an eye, it would collapse and perish. "
Do you have any evidence, or reasoning(that isn't circular) that this is true? What does comprehension of a deity have to do with the deities origins? By your logic, if you can't calculate that number, you can't comprehend god's existence either.
jesuriah 2 years ago
wallidjan:
You believe God "just existed". God wasn't created therefore he came out of nothing.
"Allah exists outside of time!" you might say.
So Allah just existed for no reason at all? Still something out of nothing. Funny how every ontological hypothesis leads to the same place.
SpazzyMcGee1336 2 years ago
just because one does not KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS DOES NOT MEAN ONE MAKES UP ANSWERS... just because science does not know the answers now does not mean the answers are unknowable... think back (not long ago) people once thought the planet was flat and people also got the whole earth and moon relationship wrong too... prove you are right in this matter - not with brain washed nonsense force fed from birth... but with real scientific proof... without using any religious books or references - please
iammtgirl 2 years ago
See science can not tell us why this universe and us and nature began to exist but science will only tell us how it formed and how it works, There is a binging and an end! You are born and you will die! So the universe also has a beginning and an end.
wallidjan 2 years ago
If you look at the universe, the earth and everything else you come to a conclusion that a creator created it just like if you look at a painting you will know that an artist painted it so when you eat your food God created that for you when drink its God that send water from the sky. So my friend you see with out a mighty and a wise creator there wouldnt be a universe, earth, us and everything else things just dont make them selves you know.
wallidjan 2 years ago
If you think about god that way, then God must be the most highly organized, most complicated thing in or outside of the the universe. This means that god also needs a cause. I get my food from the supermarket, and rain comes from clouds.
So of course, if god is the creator of all, then there must be a god for that god, and back into infinity.
jesuriah 2 years ago
Okay the ONLY GOD!
THE ONE TRUE GOD.
JESUS THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
GODS ONLY SON WHO CHOSED TO DIE FOR OUR SINS! IS THE CREATOR OF ALL!!! NO ALLAH!
Stev3n50 2 years ago
If there were many gods then one god would decide to create human beings the other might want to created aliens and other one might want to kill everything so there wouldnt be a balance and stable universe like it is now. So Allah is the only one true God of the universe. According the Christians Jesus dead on the cross, God does not die, Jesus eat food and went to the toilet a god does not do these kind of things but Jesus peace be upon him was only a man and a prophet of God
wallidjan 2 years ago
There is no way The universe, The earth, and Human people came from an explotion. Doesn't add up in any way. No matter how you say it, It doesn't make sense. There has to be a creator involved in this!!!! If I smashed up my watch and through it into a bag and shook it for a million years, would it form back into a watch. NO! It needs a creator!! God is alive, and He does exist. No matter how you say it, an explotion in the sky can't create life.
OLDSCHOOLPUNKVIDS 2 years ago
Between the 7th and 16th century muslims introduced the scientific revolution of the time, YOU go read history, no one is allowed to kill the innocent not in a single verse in quran, read it, and understand the context within wich it came, its easy to be blind, it take more energy to use your brain to try to analyze, if you have hatred since childhood, or during upraisal with moslems, dont try to put it forwad intellectually, you put forwad weak arguments..
karlsruhejad25 2 years ago
He has layed out a clear path and then made it known to them the two ways. The person is always free to make his or her own choice. There is not complusion in the way of"Islam."Whoever choses to worship Allah without partners and is devoted to Him and is obeying His commands as much as possible, has grasped the firm handhold that will never break. Whoever denies God and choses some other way to worship or not to believe at all, for them there is an eternal punishment that is most horrible (Hell)
wallidjan 2 years ago
. Allah has sent down miracles, revelations and messengers to give clear proofs He exists and more important, what we should do once we come to this realization.
Allah has sent prophets and messengers with many proofs throughout the ages for people to be able to clearly see with their own eyes and to be able to use their own senses the miracles and proofs pointing to the fact, Allah does in fact, exist.
wallidjan 2 years ago
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oneworldkingdom 2 years ago
Allah tells us He is Al-Bari, (The Shaper or Evolver) but once again, this does not mean He has a need to bring about each individual life form all from one kind. Actually, while reading the Quran you learn He has brought many types and shapes and sizes as He Wills. Changes within species occur even as quickly as one or two seasons, not even taking a whole year, much less millions as was supposed by Darwin.
wallidjan 2 years ago
God's name is Jehovah. The old testament was out long before the quran.
GodsSoldier107 2 years ago
thanx great video... you are good man!! god help if wrong go.
manikase27 2 years ago
very educative... this is truh my thing some. god is exist!
manikase27 2 years ago
Apparently you never studied M theory or string Theory and quote mined the crap out of atheist scientists
xlioilx 2 years ago
The video seams to exploit the word explosion. The big bang is not an explosion in the conventional sense, it's a rapid expansion that includes space and time. It's a completely different thing. Categorizing it and explaining it as an explosion is a dishonest thing to do. And our galaxies and solar systems can form completely within the "laws" of the universe, and does not need divine guidance, if it did, then the entire "fine tuning" argument is null, because god ignores the laws to "help."
MotionFur 2 years ago
the Qur'an says that "the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder".Following this big explosion, Allah "turned to the sky, and it had been(as)smoke. He said to it and to the earth: 'Come together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We come (together) in willing obedience'.Thus the elements and what was to become the planets and stars began to cool, come together, and form into shape,following the natural laws that Allah established in the universe
wallidjan 2 years ago
The Qur'an also does not rule out the idea that the universe is continuing to expand. "The heavens, We have built them with power. And verily, We are expanding it" (51:47). There has been some historical debate among Muslim scholars about the precise meaning of this verse, since knowledge of the universe's expansion was only recently discovered.
wallidjan 2 years ago
In order for there to be laws of the universe there has to be order which also means there has to be a creator or intelligence to make these laws work. watch?v=FTEPLoCQW-g&feature=channel_page
jesusrules2012 2 years ago
A universe without laws is not a universe, it would just do nothing. All you're basically saying is "The universe is proof for god." And that's about as good as an argument as saying "the universe is proof for not-god." You need actual evidence to prove god, not just a god of the gaps approach.
MotionFur 2 years ago
And you not really looking at the evidence of a intelligent designer is just plain denial of the facts.
jesusrules2012 2 years ago
Again with the "everything is evidence for a designer" approach. Let me just do the same as you and say "you're not looking at all the evidence for a lack of a designer, and that's just plain denial of the facts." But it's funny that you, a person who would favorite a video called "The Imaginary Assumptions of Man Sold As Science," would accuse another person of "denial of the facts."
I suggest reading books like "Finding Darwin's God" by the biology professor and christian Kenneth Miller.
MotionFur 2 years ago
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jesusrules2012 2 years ago
Kenneth Miller is not a Christian. He claims he is a catholic, which may explain his delusion and confusion or he is just using that I am a Christian crap to make people think you can believe in god and evolution and you can't. You can not have it both ways. As far I am concerned Kenneth Miller is a Christian fraud and a puppet .
jesusrules2012 2 years ago
Well, it's very christian of you to be such a cynical bitch. :]
MotionFur 2 years ago
Yes I am a Cynical bitch of anyone that claims to be a Christian and doesn't believe in the Lords words in scripture! Being a Christian Does not mean you agree with fake Christians like Kenneth Miller. If I did then I would not be a Christian.Jesus warns us about wolves wearing sheep's clothing!!!
jesusrules2012 2 years ago
We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe Allah created everything without having to see Him
wallidjan 2 years ago
One of the reasons we know paintings has painters, is because we've seen painters before. Also, painters paint using... paint. God CREATES using nothing, this is an ENTIRELY different situation. Do rocks need rock-makers? Well... kind of! But it doesn't need to be an intelligent being, and we have no idea of knowing weather the creation of the universe was a naturalistic non-thinking cause, or a "god."
As far as the video you asked me to watch, I watched and I remain quite unconvinced.
MotionFur 2 years ago
please watch - fibanacci's number prove God
wallidjan 2 years ago
We know from the teachings of Muhammad (peace be upon him) the proofs for the existence of God (Allah) are most obvious to us in our everyday surroundings. Anyone with understanding would quickly acknowledge His existence provided they are not so stubborn as to ignore the obvious evidences right in front of us.
wallidjan 2 years ago
Obviously you don't understand that laws of nature are just reflections of how we see the world and what we observe it doing, and not fundamental laws that exist throughout the galaxy. These laws of nature are endemic to just our culture and minds. Also, if things weren't the way they were we wouldn't be here. The fact that we're alive is proof that conditions are right for life to exist, not proof of some sort of diety or higher power. Our existence does not imply creation, nor are we special.
Icix1 3 years ago
And then consider if a tornado came through a junkyard and tore through the old cars; would it leave behind a nice new Mercedes with the engine running and no parts left around? Naturally not.
Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe that Allah created everything without having to see Him
wallidjan 2 years ago
That's exactly what you don't understand. You have no grasp of these scientific ideas that underlie what scientists believe. Evolution is not a tornado lol. You can't take an extremely complex theory and idea and just reduce it to a tornado in a trailer park because that's not just a totally wrong analogy, it's stupid.
Also, the idea that somehow there's this great plan or organization in the universe is wrong too. The universe is chaotic, unpredictable, and confusing. There's no grand design.
Icix1 2 years ago
I swear to God whom is your God aswell you all Christians... That Jesus is Innocent of all your false actions and beliefs. Mark my words, when Jesus comes back in the future... You will then bow down on your knees and believe, lets just hope you live up until that moment because if you die as you are now (Unbeliever-Kafer) I dont know what will happen to you but lets just say you better pray good...
echonight86 3 years ago
The Big Bang was not an explosion. This is a big strawman argument. Typical creationist tactic. Maybe if people actually READ what the theory says then they wouldn't misinterpret it. You can't prove or disprove God because God is by the definition of most believer OUTSIDE of reality. So quit trying. I guess faith isn't good enough for believers.
pnakotus 3 years ago
'Big Bang' theory tries to explain the existence of the universe in an evolutionary manner having an initial beginning with an immense explosion of some gases or solid mass. Some say there first was a void or nothingness, or perhaps, some gases which exploded then from this everything in the universe simply began to evolve to the stage that we see now.
Islam tells us Allah is both The Creator & The Evolver, of all that exits.
wallidjan 3 years ago
Typical argument from personal incredulity and God of the Gaps. Only God can explain it? Wrong wrong wrong... typical dark age level thinking.
pnakotus 3 years ago 3
Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together in one entity, then We forcibly Disintegrated them, and We Made from water every living thing, do not they then believe ? (Quran) The big bang is mentioned in the Holy Quran, which was revealed to Prophet Mohammad (ppbuh), more than fourteen centuries ago.
Before such observations, astronomers thought that the rest of the universe existed
billions of years before the earth.
wallidjan 3 years ago
"Proving" God exists is really not our purpose. We are only interested in providing clear statements based on facts and logic and then allow the individual decide for themselves who they would like to believe. There have always been people who believed in the existence of God and there have always been those who have denied in His existence. We must realize there are those who will never believe no matter how much proof or evidence we produce.
wallidjan 3 years ago
The reason is some people don't want to believe in a Creator or Sustainer. They would not like to consider one day they will have to answer for their actions and for their refusal to acknowledge their Benefactor to whom they owe their very existence. We come to know it is not so much a matter of us trying to convey our beliefs as it is for them to set aside preconceived prejudices against proper belief. Meaning: this is really a matter of guidance from Above.
wallidjan 3 years ago
If they refuse even with evident proofs in front of them, this is not between us and them; it is between them and their Creator. Again, it is not our job to "prove" anything to anyone. We only need to present the facts in truth and allow the listener to make up their own mind.
wallidjan 3 years ago
What you need to learn is the scriptures found by the sumerians describing who we really are and where we really came from. Planet earth is only a planetarium for creatures that come from different planets. NASA is a company runned by nazis that hide secrets from us. But these extraterrestrials will show themselvs eventualy and tell us our tru history, not the bullshit one made up by the ruling elites.
LebanonDonDon 3 years ago
the big bang is a lie, this video is a lie. We collided with another planet that explains the big bang.
LebanonDonDon 3 years ago
dont worry ALLAH will punish disbelievers,they have 3 gods and jesus is one of them.i say --theres one god and mohammed saw is his messanger--.whoever cant accept this sentence will be sentenced by ALLAH.
drmanyuka 3 years ago
You should re-think everything about your religion. Christianity is the only religion in the world that asked to give love and have love. for example Jesus said if someone hits you on one cheek you give him the other. other religions just ask you to have love. Therefor this makes Christianity the purest religion ever created.
LebanonDonDon 3 years ago
we see you and your religion what are doing.christians are the biggest torturers,abusers,killers,massacres.you dont even care jesus.you remember him on christmas times.
drmanyuka 3 years ago
who have I ever tortured abuse dor killed? i dont remember jesus on christmas days cuz thats not his birthdate you no nothing your a punk i pray everyday you dont know shit about me, wat u said to me is like me saying oh, muslims tortured killed and massacred christians in my country do i hate on them like you? no i dont give a fuck im just sayin what christianity teachs is nothing like other religions so watch who u disrespect i dont go around unsulting your religion ignorant idiot
LebanonDonDon 3 years ago
i know christian people from your country, they are no good, they act like manyuka.
drmanyuka 3 years ago
ya well at least we dont run around killing old people and little children. you the most pathetic person i have ever met your just like every other ignorant fucking muslim n jew you just hate everyone but urselvs well guess wat Allah dosn't appreaciate you going around insulting ppl and that is why u will burn in hell forall eternatty have a good life u fake arab piece of shit
LebanonDonDon 3 years ago
ignorant fuckin muslim? me? no you have no idea what i know about this life and afterlife.i hate christian lebanese people i was working for them they are extremely cheap,mannerless people.they got my right and i will request my right from them on the day of judgement
drmanyuka 3 years ago
lol your going to hell
LebanonDonDon 3 years ago
Allah created this universe for humans?or just for humans? its like creating an ocean for its droplet.
drmanyuka 3 years ago
53 Quran- We will show Our signs to them in the horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient that your Lord witnesses all things?
Unbelievers contended that the Quran was Muhammads own fabrication and not the revelation of God. How then would these dissenters explain the fact that Muhammad had been the only person who was aware of the expanding universe long before the 1920s.
wallidjan 3 years ago
God who makes us thirsty has also created water to quench thirst. God who makes us hungry has also created the food we need. Getting thirsty and hungry are different from the existence of water and food in the outside world. We might feel the need for something that did not exist in the world, rather than water, viz. the molecules whose constituents are hydrogen and oxygen. But the fact is that our body is made to want what it is programmed in it.
wallidjan 3 years ago
god is energy that greated and controls this universal the way it is that why we could feel the energy around us every day while we alive and we try to connect our self to this powerful force in positive ways...
laoxxxiler 3 years ago
God almighty is the ever living, eternal that means that He never begot nor no one gave birth to Him, He has always existed and no one is like Him. God almighty is above the Heaven and the Earth, He can see and hear everything in the universe
wallidjan 3 years ago
i think 7 layers of the heavens describe t