@miraclepieco Why would you say it's 'unairworthy' because it lacks an 'airframe'? What do you mean by 'airframe'? Would you say the same of any ram air wing?
I agree miraclepieco, dón´t let the wing surge in front of you and without pressure on the brakes untill you have enough altitude. It´s always the same error. It wouldn´t happen to me too.
@miraclepieco I'll go ahead and say it then - in those conditions, that wouldn't happen to me because I wouldn't sit back and let the wing surge in front of me like that. Active flying, flying a wing and conditions suitable to your skill will prevent this happening.
@miraclepieco Unpredictable mountain winds, termic drafts, low altitude and a collapsable wing should never be trusted. Especially when combined. I bet it is fun but it looks way more dangerous than anything else You can do in Your sparetime.
even before thinking about what would happen if he had pulled the left break ! just look at what happen before the collapse : he enters the thermals and he still "up handed" like in calm air ! He should have holded is wing by pulling symetricaly the breakes after the entry in the thermal. And active and experienced piloting is necessary when you fly in strong / turbulent air
The reserve chute should be thrown BEFORE takeoff. That way the bastard killing machine stays on the ground where it belongs, and the pilot can live long enough to buy a hang glider.
@Buggusmac Thanks for the comment. I was only talking about paragliders. I used to fly hang gliders and now I fly an ultralight. I'm always thinking of self preservation, that way I'm here longer so that I can do more flying.
@miraclepieco If the word "collapse" wasn't allowed to be used on you tube, a few hundred parasail videos would disappear.How these "pilots" (more like passive passengers) can watch this onslaught of collapse crashes and think it won't happen to them is beyond me. A case of TERMINAL denial.
i was on babadag when this happened about to launch the guy was norwegion his mate fimed this he broke his back in 5 places and other bones i seen him in fethye hospital he was pinned to a board with no insurance that covered him what he did wrong was fly a high end wing and let go of his brakes when entering a thermal the wing goes back then surged forward thus a frontal collapse
The reason there are so many crash videos is because a lot of people like seeing bad things happen to others. Videos of good launches and landings are boring to the non flying public. Clearly in this footage the pilot did nothing to correct for the collapse and failed to start turning in the cracking thermal he found in front of launch. The sport is potentially very safe. It's all up to the pilot to make good decisions and fly within their abilities. and to iriver899... get outside sometime.
@yoshyoka Its an amazing place to fly! That take off is a little dodgy granted but I believe they are doing some work on it over the winter to make it safer. But its such a busy site that there's bound to be a few incidents.
There are some locals who spend their days up there filming everything so they catch most of the accidents, I'm sure there are many accidents on other sites, just no one there to film them. They also run courses out there in how to recover collapses so they get filmed too.
See if your free doc has any pills for stupid, i think you may need a few. You in your developed country will gladly come to the US when you need life saving health care. Not for much longer though, in case you haven't heard... the US gov is getting into the health care business. We're gonna be just like you.
@Buggusmac It is always a pleasure to see that some people are still able to construct insightfull arguments (based on facts and evaluations rather than impressions and propaganda) while, even if disagreeing with the counterpart's views, maintain a polite and constructive tone. Unfortunately, this is not your case. Thus, I don't think it is worth to even try to argue with you.
I appreciate the fact that my impolite rant may have offended your delicate sensibilities. All the more reason for you to go and get some of those free pills from your free doc. After ingesting some... you may then be able to argue the point without regard to the tone of my response. You're not foolin me Yosh...get those pills... then we will talk.
I just dont get this, I want to start paragliding but then I see guys like this collapse wings at barely a hair's breadth altitude. There's another vid of a guy take off deliberately swinging upside down in his fucking seat..canopy collapses and he dies. I've raced motorbikes for years, and whilst there are a few nutters I've yet to see somone race a bike standing on his f*cking head! Why do these pilots take these risks?? Enjoy the freedom you have!
So spielt das Leben, ... sauberer Start, Vorfreude auf einen guten Flug und währenddessen weis man noch nicht, das man 10 Sekunden später schwerverletzt oder gar Tod im Hang liegt.
all this talk about reserves is missing the point. This guy let go off his controls just after take off, and was not able to apply some left brake to steady the glider before the collapse, or to control the recovery to avoid contact with the hill.
Thowing a reserve in that situation, so close to the ground is not likely to have helped him much...
@ohhwotehh Hi, looking at the video, i see im pulling the RIGHT brake... just at 20sec of the movie... would'nt be that the cause, allied to a 'wind' strike from that direction? AND, if it were a DHV1.2, would the same thing happens? Thanks for the help.
What happened after the initial deflation was certainly quite energetic, and a docile DHV 1 or bottom end DHV1-2 would have been a better match for your flying that day. However, with sufficient knowledge and awareness this accident was preventable before the collapse occurred.
I think you entered a small but moderate thermal. If you had tried to climb in the thermal you may well have found it workable. By flying through it, and then not dampening the surge at 21sec was a painful lesson.
@schl0tte : Apply brakes to dampen the glider surge. No surge, no brakes. Mild surge, mild brakes. Surges on the left, apply left brake. massive surge on the right, immediately bury the right brake and then ease up.
the true short story is "fly a wing within your skill level."
@ohhwotehh really ? go and watch some other crashes and see what chances the pilot had. This is an insane illegal "sport" 50% of people who do this are dead, and the rest are next
Illegal.........Shit for brains.....you see him moving not getting up. the guy probably felt confident enough to handle the high performance wing, just dont let go ov your friggen breaks until your altitude is high enough to recover from something that can happen at any time Paragliding 101 "Your breaks are your life lines"
@schl0tte : Apply brakes to dampen the glider surge. No surge, no brakes. Mild surge, mild brakes. Surges on the left, apply left brake. massive surge on the right, immediately bury the right brake and then ease up.
the true short story is "fly a wing within your skill level".
The pilot is weight shifted to the right and for some reason makes a rapid pump of the right brake. He continues to weight shift into the non-flying side of the wing. Don't do that or this will happen to you. ALWAYS shift to the flying side of the wing to counter a collapse. Fly the glider first, then deal with the collapse.
I'm not sure about the right brake being the root cause of the collapse. There was an obvious gust of wind, followed by a lull. The wing pitches up and climbs during the gust, then pitches forward to try to gain flying speed during the lull, unloading the leading edge of the wing and making it susceptable to collapse. The pilot should have applied brakes to prevent the wing from surging forward so radically. IMO, of course.
I agree with your analysis entirely. It does seem that the pilot was not actively flying before the collapse and really needed to concentrate fully to gain height and increase the margin of safety.
I am always amazed at how badly things can go seriously wrong in such a very short space of time.
If you have a 50% collapse there is no riser lift on that side and you will be suspended on the flying side by default but your harness becomes lopsided, you cannot weight shift efectively until you recover to a degree. So I don't think he weight shifted wrong, he just lost riser support there. With hindsight more aggressive toggle input to keep it straight may have saved him, experts caution against this and they're generally right but when you're this low it's hobson's choice.
To clarify, SOME toggle input is appropriate, but overcontrol and overreaction is a big contributor to making collapses worse. In this case there wasn't much of any reaction. Either to prevent the collapse (his hands are gripping the risers), or to keep it flying straight with toggles. Even some outside break would have reduced his loss of altitude during the induced turn.
i think if he ad applied just enough left bke to maintain heading ,instesd of letting it go into a spira.would have been ok.....wing opened up well after asymetric tuck but he didnt maintain hesding.not active enough from launch. its easy to focus on getting back into harness and getting comfy...........interested to hesr othwer opinions.please message me direct....also , iseen people walk away from worse.if he didnt, thanks to who posted this can save lives.respect to pilot.
What have you been trained to do in this situation? Do you know what active flying is? Do you know how to react to a large collapse, especially when low?
If you stick to a DHV-1 wing it is unlikely to turn as much even with a 50% collapse. Stick to that until you're experienced at active flying and are more comfortable handling collapses.
Active flying means that you "feel" the wings movement, trying to smooth them out. Your goal is to fly as smooth as possible, if the wing surges, brake it, if it gets in behind you, let of the brake etc. Happy flying =)
It looks like its quite thermal at the start, thas not normally a good sign for beginners. If you want to start anyway, you should keep some presaure on the wing with some brake. As one mentioned about not effective to weightshift, thats what I have learned to do when you get assymetrical colapses so I dont know what he mean, and thing is you can actually turn in the opposite direction if you apply alot of it, even with a bigger colapse.
Thou when this close to the ground, and very short reaction time, some outside brake can be necessary aswell. But basic procedure is, first look up in the wing, then react. If you apply to much brake, or on the wrong side, it can get really messy.
Seanie, Was there 8 yrs ago, First my girlfriend hit the rocks(tandem) then some German solo broke his back in the trees, we went back down in the truck! Then to top it all the next day a coach crashed on the beach, 100yds away from us, killing 5 people! Wish were here??
Yeah but the difference is any joe can pick up a paraglider for a few quid on ebay these days and go to a hill and jump off , you have a lot more regulation regarding fixed wing . Keep it safe go to school
Kind of stupid: most of people does not upload videos of usual things, but exceptional ones. Flying with problems is the USUAL, so they'll just upload the EXCEPTIONAL crashes.
@keeevan Agreed, same applies to PG, you'll see the most interesting videos on here, that translates to a disproportionate number of accidents. You will not see the many hours of safe flying.
@dorbie that's a dumb argument. Good luck to the safe flyers but so what? It's when it goes bad that proves the measure of the man. You could argue that all sports are just accidents waiting to happen, and PG is a SERIOUS accident waiting to happen. Coping with that is paramount. Personally I'd chuck my reserve out if I *felt* something was wrong even without looking. WTF have I got to lose?
Wrong, it's a rational argumant that states that without accurate statistics all the breathless idiots out there have no idea about the safety of it. It's your argument that takes no account of actual risk, it's the primary driving argument behind all sorts of hysterical irrational stupidity that looks at potential consequences and confuses it with risk. Clearly you are not an actuary.
@dorbie given that response I'd bet my life you were an actuary - christ, I almost lobotomised halfway though. I shouldn't complain, I raced motorbikes for 10 years :-) Roll on the PG training!
You'd chuck your reserve because you have no clue what you're posting about. Chucking your reserve in the wrong situation can get you injured and all PG pilots have pulled intentional collapses as part of training. I induce collapses for FUN. 50% side collapses, frontals etc. Never had any doubts that the wing would recover. I also had a real collapse in rotor, the wing flew as expected and I opened it up before landing. It would still have landed OK in the collapse because I kept it straight.
Chucking out your reserve in the wrong situation can get you injured? Throwing a reserve is dangerous...lets repeat that...throwing a reserve is DANGEROUS! Fuck me it doesn't give you much leeway in a problem moment then does it mate. Let's hope you're not a trainer...I'd be hot-footin' it out of your school fuckin sharpish
Perhaps your brand of willful stupidity appeals to your mates so you've learned to flaunt it. You excised the key part "in the wrong situation". You've already said in your hysterical nonsense about PG that you'd chuck your reserve at the slightest provocation. You have no clue what you're talking about. You in PG school? Don't make me laugh.
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hey,,,I have a "GREAT IDEA,,,lets' fly something that collapse's if someone farts under it. Yea,,,,then lets slam into the ground really hard,,break some bones,,,sound's like an awesome idea,,,in fact,,,I"m getting mine outta the trunk right now!!!
The guy don't have the brokes in his hands ... What can we say ? He is thinking "all OK, it's cool !" but he should be careful, till hi is far away of the bottom.
With this kind of glider , you must be able to pilot and be active by flying ... Be aware and such a collapse will not happen. It's easy to say but that's true !
wrong paragliding is actualy safe if you take it serious i also fly paragliders, ive never had a problem, the reason you see so many crash videos on youtube is because everyone likes to watch those. yap thats how people are today only to watch the crasches XD
So many muppets comment on here who claim to be PG pilots yet have never flow in their life....clearly...
To those saying 'he should have used his emergency parachute' ...there was no time and no point. It would not have opened at that airspeed or altitude.
Active piloting would have saved him this crash quite likely, but its always easy with hindsight....
Nasty accident indeed and sad as well. Main problem is that sometimes we as human react entirely on instinct. Therefore it's natural to try to get the collapse opened instead of trying to stabilize the wing in the straight course. The results are as shown. The incident was clearly caused by low AoA, the wing surges forward unchecked and after that everything goes wrong. Speculating that PG is easy to learn is pointless. It requires basically same amount of effort to launch with PG as with HG.
I'm not a PG but a HG, but I know that a HG wouldn't collapse and would be easier to handle a thermal right after take-off. All you need is air speed.Anyway to me it looks like the pilot was in too rough air that he/she could handle. I see more of PG in this area on that take off, and there are ALOT of bad and dangerous take offs due to the characteristics of that toz. I hope this school does not take it's students to that location!
after reading your reply to my commit,sounds like you don't para glide .Just like with hang gliders ,we and paragliders flight with a back-up chute, 99.9% of us will never have to use it, but we all fly with one,(I'v used mine twice but I'm crazy like that),I know this guy was not on a chute ,but he had one with him !!!!!!! Thanks , sorry about asking a question beyond your reach.
for me as a none paraglider it looks that the conditions are too bad for him. in that split sec after he gets with high speed upwards ( 0:17) and the lines were less stressed by his weight when that move stoped a wind knocked of his wing. that basicly leads him to a hardright swoop and send him crashing.
So easy to learn to fly a paraglider ,but hangliding is so more rewarding ,and they do n`t have any where near the issues with unstable air ,anyone thinking of paragliding, try hang gliding.
@miraclepieco Why would you say it's 'unairworthy' because it lacks an 'airframe'? What do you mean by 'airframe'? Would you say the same of any ram air wing?
pulsejet1 1 month ago
yes, PG is dangerous. Still, the mistake he made is obvious. Its the matter of how much risk can you take. It's just like riding a bike
NigoNI60 2 months ago
I agree miraclepieco, dón´t let the wing surge in front of you and without pressure on the brakes untill you have enough altitude. It´s always the same error. It wouldn´t happen to me too.
FFWDproject 3 months ago
@miraclepieco I'll go ahead and say it then - in those conditions, that wouldn't happen to me because I wouldn't sit back and let the wing surge in front of me like that. Active flying, flying a wing and conditions suitable to your skill will prevent this happening.
kierancampbell 4 months ago
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Could I see it again please
serratop 4 months ago
Man iv just passed my EP, think ill be using a DHV-1 wing for a while o_O
Goair18 4 months ago
is the guy ok?
K9Productzions 5 months ago
@K9Productzions who care's :)
nicolasowns 5 months ago
@K9Productzions Yeah...he's ok. He eats steak dinners through a straw...but he's ok.
humorisIife 3 months ago
@miraclepieco Unpredictable mountain winds, termic drafts, low altitude and a collapsable wing should never be trusted. Especially when combined. I bet it is fun but it looks way more dangerous than anything else You can do in Your sparetime.
FrekeOne 5 months ago
And THAT is why you don't paraglide over sharp rocks
jogjelsv 5 months ago
There's not substitute for the good ole Airplane!
EasternMerchant 6 months ago
always keep your canopy above you, don't let it get advanced, keep the controlls by your ears level.
this is my advice of how to keep off getting wet in a rainy day.
but if it is not rainning then there is no need to carry the umbrella.
albedran2 6 months ago
rip and pwned
TheWendolGuild 7 months ago
even before thinking about what would happen if he had pulled the left break ! just look at what happen before the collapse : he enters the thermals and he still "up handed" like in calm air ! He should have holded is wing by pulling symetricaly the breakes after the entry in the thermal. And active and experienced piloting is necessary when you fly in strong / turbulent air
tomlolies38 7 months ago
Fast reactions could have saved him. (left brake) Paragliding is a SPORT and NOT an oldmen activity.
KTMheizer 7 months ago
SHIT JESUS.
SkeyeDreamer 7 months ago
HOLY JESUS. How badly was the pilot injured?
flylikeIdo1 7 months ago
He let the wing advance way more than it should, keeping them above your head by aplying some break is the way to go,
albedran2 8 months ago
"Has anyone seen my ass? It got scraped off around here somewhere and i really need a shit... BAD!"
johnniwonton1976 8 months ago
@johnniwonton1976 I don't know about his ass, but I laughed mine off after reading your comment!
winterka100 6 months ago
Doesn't look very safe to me. I'll stick with ultralight trikes.
ag7g 8 months ago
Ja pierdole......
cinekasPL 8 months ago
stai si filmeaza in loc sa ajuti :|
skip4hsman 9 months ago
The reserve chute should be thrown BEFORE takeoff. That way the bastard killing machine stays on the ground where it belongs, and the pilot can live long enough to buy a hang glider.
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beau5757 9 months ago
@winterka100
You're funny! LOL... But flying transcends most logical thought of self preservation, or else why fly? But you're funny nonetheless!!
Buggusmac 9 months ago
@Buggusmac Thanks for the comment. I was only talking about paragliders. I used to fly hang gliders and now I fly an ultralight. I'm always thinking of self preservation, that way I'm here longer so that I can do more flying.
winterka100 9 months ago
@miraclepieco If the word "collapse" wasn't allowed to be used on you tube, a few hundred parasail videos would disappear.How these "pilots" (more like passive passengers) can watch this onslaught of collapse crashes and think it won't happen to them is beyond me. A case of TERMINAL denial.
winterka100 9 months ago
i was on babadag when this happened about to launch the guy was norwegion his mate fimed this he broke his back in 5 places and other bones i seen him in fethye hospital he was pinned to a board with no insurance that covered him what he did wrong was fly a high end wing and let go of his brakes when entering a thermal the wing goes back then surged forward thus a frontal collapse
meds2965mitie 10 months ago
Looks like a horrible crash, but then at the end the person gets up!
kjknohw 10 months ago
a salto after crash , thats the golden award.
cba999casey 11 months ago
No attempt at a PLF? He actually pulled his feet UP to try and clear the ground!
NevilleStyke 11 months ago
i thought this was relatively safe , after watching this i'm never gonna try this
BayouBluesMan 11 months ago
miraclepieco:
I don't speak German but I understood every word of your last post! :OP
billj3cub 11 months ago
Detaylı kaza raporu varmı? ( Is there any detailed accident report about this incident? )
divinedichotomy 11 months ago
Ouch ! Ca doit faire mal !
MrGranousty 1 year ago
The reason there are so many crash videos is because a lot of people like seeing bad things happen to others. Videos of good launches and landings are boring to the non flying public. Clearly in this footage the pilot did nothing to correct for the collapse and failed to start turning in the cracking thermal he found in front of launch. The sport is potentially very safe. It's all up to the pilot to make good decisions and fly within their abilities. and to iriver899... get outside sometime.
ahhcoolies 1 year ago
Stupid suicide sport. Some fun!
MrDanieldb 1 year ago
@MrDanieldb
It's more probable that You die driving a car.
dotrange 1 year ago
How come that almost all the videos I see from this flying site are crashes?? Either it is a terrible place to fly, or all bad pilots go there...
yoshyoka 1 year ago
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skyste1 1 year ago
@yoshyoka Its an amazing place to fly! That take off is a little dodgy granted but I believe they are doing some work on it over the winter to make it safer. But its such a busy site that there's bound to be a few incidents.
There are some locals who spend their days up there filming everything so they catch most of the accidents, I'm sure there are many accidents on other sites, just no one there to film them. They also run courses out there in how to recover collapses so they get filmed too.
skyste1 1 year ago
ALGUEM SABE AS CONSEQUENCIAS QUE ESSE PILOTO SOFREU COM A QUEDA?
neilobao10 1 year ago
OMG is his wing ok, I hope the wing is not damaged.
paraglide01 1 year ago
get out of the fucking way mountain lol
is the pilot okay?
studionightbird0 1 year ago
anbalance sports
iriver899 1 year ago
he pull A riser to close right side of paraglider ?
rzanini 1 year ago
DOC:not bad noting serious just a body transplant maybe a face transplant limb and organ transplant
Wife:How much?
Doc: not alot only 2.3 million
Pier2pie 1 year ago
@Pier2pie That's in the US. Don't forget that in almost all other developed countries you get heltcare for free!
yoshyoka 1 year ago
@yoshyoka
See if your free doc has any pills for stupid, i think you may need a few. You in your developed country will gladly come to the US when you need life saving health care. Not for much longer though, in case you haven't heard... the US gov is getting into the health care business. We're gonna be just like you.
Buggusmac 10 months ago
@Buggusmac It is always a pleasure to see that some people are still able to construct insightfull arguments (based on facts and evaluations rather than impressions and propaganda) while, even if disagreeing with the counterpart's views, maintain a polite and constructive tone. Unfortunately, this is not your case. Thus, I don't think it is worth to even try to argue with you.
yoshyoka 10 months ago
@yoshyoka
I appreciate the fact that my impolite rant may have offended your delicate sensibilities. All the more reason for you to go and get some of those free pills from your free doc. After ingesting some... you may then be able to argue the point without regard to the tone of my response. You're not foolin me Yosh...get those pills... then we will talk.
Buggusmac 10 months ago
It's August of 2010 now - how is the pilot doing and is he/she still flying?
penrynbigbird 1 year ago
Think he broke a leg or two...
Scwirul 1 year ago
I just dont get this, I want to start paragliding but then I see guys like this collapse wings at barely a hair's breadth altitude. There's another vid of a guy take off deliberately swinging upside down in his fucking seat..canopy collapses and he dies. I've raced motorbikes for years, and whilst there are a few nutters I've yet to see somone race a bike standing on his f*cking head! Why do these pilots take these risks?? Enjoy the freedom you have!
seymourbutt312 1 year ago
@seymourbutt312 Nicely and correctly put!
penrynbigbird 1 year ago
did he die??
frecklehero 1 year ago
Nice way to kill yourself!!
catalinaumbert 1 year ago
Oh yea baby....Big Bounce
suctionplease 1 year ago
So spielt das Leben, ... sauberer Start, Vorfreude auf einen guten Flug und währenddessen weis man noch nicht, das man 10 Sekunden später schwerverletzt oder gar Tod im Hang liegt.
Straessers 1 year ago
i was here recently,beautiful place, saw a few dodgy landings down at paradise beach olu deniz
midnightmorning 1 year ago
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beau5757 1 year ago
looked like the canopy got blew back by a gust, then surged forward (unchecked) followed by an uncontrolled asymmetric collapse. Possibly??
beau5757 1 year ago
the wing advanced and that what caused the collapse, if he just aplied some breaks, this would never happened........... i think.
albedran2 1 year ago
shit....RIP....MJ......
gangstaz001 1 year ago
I wonder if that guy is still alive
414gbg 1 year ago
aauuuu, my shins
hulduabbi 1 year ago
thats why i fly a hang glider.
hangdiver316 1 year ago
all this talk about reserves is missing the point. This guy let go off his controls just after take off, and was not able to apply some left brake to steady the glider before the collapse, or to control the recovery to avoid contact with the hill.
Thowing a reserve in that situation, so close to the ground is not likely to have helped him much...
ohhwotehh 1 year ago
@ohhwotehh Hi, looking at the video, i see im pulling the RIGHT brake... just at 20sec of the movie... would'nt be that the cause, allied to a 'wind' strike from that direction? AND, if it were a DHV1.2, would the same thing happens? Thanks for the help.
jvianna2006 1 year ago
What happened after the initial deflation was certainly quite energetic, and a docile DHV 1 or bottom end DHV1-2 would have been a better match for your flying that day. However, with sufficient knowledge and awareness this accident was preventable before the collapse occurred.
I think you entered a small but moderate thermal. If you had tried to climb in the thermal you may well have found it workable. By flying through it, and then not dampening the surge at 21sec was a painful lesson.
ohhwotehh2 1 year ago 2
@ohhwotehh2 dude, to make a long story short: falling out of thermal = brakes on. no exception
schl0tte 1 year ago
@schl0tte : Apply brakes to dampen the glider surge. No surge, no brakes. Mild surge, mild brakes. Surges on the left, apply left brake. massive surge on the right, immediately bury the right brake and then ease up.
the true short story is "fly a wing within your skill level."
ohhwotehh 1 year ago 7
@ohhwotehh really ? go and watch some other crashes and see what chances the pilot had. This is an insane illegal "sport" 50% of people who do this are dead, and the rest are next
match20045 11 months ago
Illegal.........Shit for brains.....you see him moving not getting up. the guy probably felt confident enough to handle the high performance wing, just dont let go ov your friggen breaks until your altitude is high enough to recover from something that can happen at any time Paragliding 101 "Your breaks are your life lines"
pintkeeper 10 months ago
@ohhwotehh You sound it like a car spin with all this brakes and all that brakes.
get a hang glider. its way stable
easygtr 1 day ago
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@schl0tte : Apply brakes to dampen the glider surge. No surge, no brakes. Mild surge, mild brakes. Surges on the left, apply left brake. massive surge on the right, immediately bury the right brake and then ease up.
the true short story is "fly a wing within your skill level".
ohhwotehh 1 year ago
showng it once was enough. it looks really painfull. did he make it?
olekike 1 year ago
the way youre supposed to land is with a timed flare on your feet in the LZ
wasatchmonk2 1 year ago
steer to the good side not towards the deflation
wasatchmonk2 1 year ago
This looks like a pretty hard impact, but he hit exactly how you're supposed to, on your but since you are sitting on a giant pad to begin with.
mebaran 1 year ago
Daym did he make it?
smad333 1 year ago
I wonder if things would have been different if he was flying ozone's wing with the carbon fibre rods inside it.
pgpete 1 year ago
the only thing i can say is to get yourself a hang glider and dont worry about wing
collaps
thats what i did.
maygoli 2 years ago
The pilot is weight shifted to the right and for some reason makes a rapid pump of the right brake. He continues to weight shift into the non-flying side of the wing. Don't do that or this will happen to you. ALWAYS shift to the flying side of the wing to counter a collapse. Fly the glider first, then deal with the collapse.
Flygirl131 2 years ago
I'm not sure about the right brake being the root cause of the collapse. There was an obvious gust of wind, followed by a lull. The wing pitches up and climbs during the gust, then pitches forward to try to gain flying speed during the lull, unloading the leading edge of the wing and making it susceptable to collapse. The pilot should have applied brakes to prevent the wing from surging forward so radically. IMO, of course.
HybridVW 2 years ago
I agree with your analysis entirely. It does seem that the pilot was not actively flying before the collapse and really needed to concentrate fully to gain height and increase the margin of safety.
I am always amazed at how badly things can go seriously wrong in such a very short space of time.
eelesey 2 years ago
If you have a 50% collapse there is no riser lift on that side and you will be suspended on the flying side by default but your harness becomes lopsided, you cannot weight shift efectively until you recover to a degree. So I don't think he weight shifted wrong, he just lost riser support there. With hindsight more aggressive toggle input to keep it straight may have saved him, experts caution against this and they're generally right but when you're this low it's hobson's choice.
dorbie 2 years ago
To clarify, SOME toggle input is appropriate, but overcontrol and overreaction is a big contributor to making collapses worse. In this case there wasn't much of any reaction. Either to prevent the collapse (his hands are gripping the risers), or to keep it flying straight with toggles. Even some outside break would have reduced his loss of altitude during the induced turn.
dorbie 2 years ago
dead
Abyssery 2 years ago
i think if he ad applied just enough left bke to maintain heading ,instesd of letting it go into a spira.would have been ok.....wing opened up well after asymetric tuck but he didnt maintain hesding.not active enough from launch. its easy to focus on getting back into harness and getting comfy...........interested to hesr othwer opinions.please message me direct....also , iseen people walk away from worse.if he didnt, thanks to who posted this can save lives.respect to pilot.
tube8head 2 years ago
Yes it would also have been a flatter turn with some outside break.
dorbie 2 years ago
What did he do wrong?
This scares the shit out of me because i´m a relatively new pilot and i have the exact same wing!
circusofhate 2 years ago
What have you been trained to do in this situation? Do you know what active flying is? Do you know how to react to a large collapse, especially when low?
dorbie 2 years ago
If you stick to a DHV-1 wing it is unlikely to turn as much even with a 50% collapse. Stick to that until you're experienced at active flying and are more comfortable handling collapses.
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Renderic 1 year ago
Active flying means that you "feel" the wings movement, trying to smooth them out. Your goal is to fly as smooth as possible, if the wing surges, brake it, if it gets in behind you, let of the brake etc. Happy flying =)
Renderic 1 year ago
It looks like its quite thermal at the start, thas not normally a good sign for beginners. If you want to start anyway, you should keep some presaure on the wing with some brake. As one mentioned about not effective to weightshift, thats what I have learned to do when you get assymetrical colapses so I dont know what he mean, and thing is you can actually turn in the opposite direction if you apply alot of it, even with a bigger colapse.
Renderic 1 year ago
Thou when this close to the ground, and very short reaction time, some outside brake can be necessary aswell. But basic procedure is, first look up in the wing, then react. If you apply to much brake, or on the wrong side, it can get really messy.
Renderic 1 year ago
if you have the possibility to watch the movie "instability 2" then do it. The are talking alot about collapses, and how to react.
Renderic 1 year ago
a downward twirl or vortex..
paddepijp 2 years ago
dead much
Lithoushine 2 years ago
a MOTOR is so much more reliable!
Forget those risky one shot chance takeoffs from mountain cliffs!
EasternMerchant 2 years ago
I cant see a cliff at all. He just doesnt stabilize the wing.
0815tobey 2 years ago
Seriusly ouch :S:S:S i feel bad for that pilot..
tquix94 2 years ago
bad kick in the ass
moncho2000 2 years ago
POW!..head feet, head feet, head feet, head feet....ass.
FlightLevelHeaded 2 years ago
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hahahahahahhahahahhahahha
schusskopf 2 years ago
OUCH!!!
vernarciso 2 years ago
拉太快了！
u5588u 2 years ago
He's going straight to E.R., thats sure.
Some people blame pilot error. Maybe it was also a risky spot to takeoff from, due to winds/thermals.
rolfen 2 years ago
Make mine a Scotch....On the rocks!
That is a sad accident. does anyone know how bad or dead he was.
Great sport but you have to be safe or else this is you.
discothief 2 years ago
Flew from this same point last week tandem while on Holiday (Baba Dag,Turkey) glad I didnt see this before I went.
Does this hapen much up there?
seanie222 2 years ago
Seanie, Was there 8 yrs ago, First my girlfriend hit the rocks(tandem) then some German solo broke his back in the trees, we went back down in the truck! Then to top it all the next day a coach crashed on the beach, 100yds away from us, killing 5 people! Wish were here??
als660 1 year ago
dead???
RugedChris 2 years ago
Make sure you have the volume up when he bounces...... THUD!!!!
LigerZer077 2 years ago
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This CLEARLY shows how stupid this is. We are not ment to be in the skys yet, its too unsafe with afew bits of strings and a big kite to hold you up.
jamesdavid3 2 years ago
Did you ever seen some bike/car/bus/train/whatever-you-want-that-goes-on-the-floor crash?
librexpresion 2 years ago
OH GOD !!!!!!!!!!!1 poor one
mani1234567898520 2 years ago 2
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Yeah right.. paragliding is safe. Search for "glider crash" and you'll find maybe one. Paraglider crash you'll find hundreds.
helipilot727 2 years ago
Yeah but the difference is any joe can pick up a paraglider for a few quid on ebay these days and go to a hill and jump off , you have a lot more regulation regarding fixed wing . Keep it safe go to school
soaringmonkeyfish 2 years ago 2
Kind of stupid: most of people does not upload videos of usual things, but exceptional ones. Flying with problems is the USUAL, so they'll just upload the EXCEPTIONAL crashes.
librexpresion 2 years ago
I suposse you meant "Flying WITHOUT problems is the usual..."
Words failed you ;-)
munyones 2 years ago
You're right indeed. :-)
librexpresion 2 years ago
Search for 'plane crash' and you'll see many accidents on here too. Is general aviation safe?
dorbie 2 years ago
@dorbie as safe as the pilot is
keeevan 1 year ago
@keeevan Agreed, same applies to PG, you'll see the most interesting videos on here, that translates to a disproportionate number of accidents. You will not see the many hours of safe flying.
dorbie 1 year ago
@dorbie that's a dumb argument. Good luck to the safe flyers but so what? It's when it goes bad that proves the measure of the man. You could argue that all sports are just accidents waiting to happen, and PG is a SERIOUS accident waiting to happen. Coping with that is paramount. Personally I'd chuck my reserve out if I *felt* something was wrong even without looking. WTF have I got to lose?
seymourbutt312 1 year ago
Wrong, it's a rational argumant that states that without accurate statistics all the breathless idiots out there have no idea about the safety of it. It's your argument that takes no account of actual risk, it's the primary driving argument behind all sorts of hysterical irrational stupidity that looks at potential consequences and confuses it with risk. Clearly you are not an actuary.
dorbie 1 year ago
@dorbie given that response I'd bet my life you were an actuary - christ, I almost lobotomised halfway though. I shouldn't complain, I raced motorbikes for 10 years :-) Roll on the PG training!
seymourbutt312 1 year ago
You'd chuck your reserve because you have no clue what you're posting about. Chucking your reserve in the wrong situation can get you injured and all PG pilots have pulled intentional collapses as part of training. I induce collapses for FUN. 50% side collapses, frontals etc. Never had any doubts that the wing would recover. I also had a real collapse in rotor, the wing flew as expected and I opened it up before landing. It would still have landed OK in the collapse because I kept it straight.
dorbie 1 year ago
Chucking out your reserve in the wrong situation can get you injured? Throwing a reserve is dangerous...lets repeat that...throwing a reserve is DANGEROUS! Fuck me it doesn't give you much leeway in a problem moment then does it mate. Let's hope you're not a trainer...I'd be hot-footin' it out of your school fuckin sharpish
seymourbutt312 1 year ago
@seymourbutt312
Perhaps your brand of willful stupidity appeals to your mates so you've learned to flaunt it. You excised the key part "in the wrong situation". You've already said in your hysterical nonsense about PG that you'd chuck your reserve at the slightest provocation. You have no clue what you're talking about. You in PG school? Don't make me laugh.
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did he die?
fatecguaratingueta 2 years ago
Did this guy have any major injuries? It sounded like it had to hurt!
donwjaco 2 years ago
dude, this guy is completely fuc*ed - disabled or even dead
CombatPara 2 years ago 2
bounced
Smartathanyou 2 years ago
TEMPO !!!!!!!!!!!
TeTNavis 2 years ago
keep holding the brakes at all times wanker!!!!!
FlyingWoolf 2 years ago 2
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hey,,,I have a "GREAT IDEA,,,lets' fly something that collapse's if someone farts under it. Yea,,,,then lets slam into the ground really hard,,break some bones,,,sound's like an awesome idea,,,in fact,,,I"m getting mine outta the trunk right now!!!
tailwheelflier 2 years ago
Your ignorance is depressing.
dorbie 2 years ago
The guy don't have the brokes in his hands ... What can we say ? He is thinking "all OK, it's cool !" but he should be careful, till hi is far away of the bottom.
soaring138 2 years ago
well no he takes em back to the brakes.. i would say its more the result of not flying "active"
EnduroTasmania 2 years ago
With this kind of glider , you must be able to pilot and be active by flying ... Be aware and such a collapse will not happen. It's easy to say but that's true !
soaring138 2 years ago
My teory about flying in mountains seems to be right,, nasty winds, turbulences, etc..
If I were practicing that sport I'd prefer coastal spots rather than mountain ranges. The conditions could betray you
GOL4567 2 years ago 3
¿ the pilot its deat, what hapen whit the pilot,?
1774andres 2 years ago
i looks like a horrible sport. there are so many videos of crashes and near death spirals and cannopy colapses here on YOutube. am i right or wrong?
zorro051969 2 years ago
wrong paragliding is actualy safe if you take it serious i also fly paragliders, ive never had a problem, the reason you see so many crash videos on youtube is because everyone likes to watch those. yap thats how people are today only to watch the crasches XD
cirrus2366 2 years ago 2
wow dude, I hope the recovery went well. sorry for your fall...
SensiBleu 2 years ago
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paradave5000 2 years ago
ouch that rocks ram up his ass
CZnoob 2 years ago
A truely sad and horrifying clip that sends chills down my spine every time i watch it.
flyboytim32 2 years ago 2
halpso that is babadag for ya!
cookie5347 2 years ago
negative pushover try it in a r-22
nipponhouseplayer 2 years ago
To musiało boleć :/
owerfull 2 years ago
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Sorry all, but this video is a very low quality
forgery. Traces of CGI manipulation are clearly
visible. The background landscape is a 2D image, no doubt, the whole action was recorded
in a bathroom.
The pilot also faked his impressive impact,
very funny.
I've almost beleived it.
Morons.
(ez az, H.G.)
holaposta 2 years ago
u seem so convinced lol, i doubt it tho
archerrobinhood 2 years ago
Why would you say this? What is so hard to believe about this video?
Is it that hard to believe that someone got away from their computer to go outside and actually do something?
pulsejet1 2 years ago 13
It looks that the cause of the fall was that the pilot were trying to set up his helmet and released his right handle.
viktorinoxcz 2 years ago
Che botta!!! Ma il pilota è sopravissuto?
dariobad75 2 years ago
So many muppets comment on here who claim to be PG pilots yet have never flow in their life....clearly...
To those saying 'he should have used his emergency parachute' ...there was no time and no point. It would not have opened at that airspeed or altitude.
Active piloting would have saved him this crash quite likely, but its always easy with hindsight....
and1c 2 years ago 4
Nasty accident indeed and sad as well. Main problem is that sometimes we as human react entirely on instinct. Therefore it's natural to try to get the collapse opened instead of trying to stabilize the wing in the straight course. The results are as shown. The incident was clearly caused by low AoA, the wing surges forward unchecked and after that everything goes wrong. Speculating that PG is easy to learn is pointless. It requires basically same amount of effort to launch with PG as with HG.
dEster61 2 years ago
I'm not a PG but a HG, but I know that a HG wouldn't collapse and would be easier to handle a thermal right after take-off. All you need is air speed.Anyway to me it looks like the pilot was in too rough air that he/she could handle. I see more of PG in this area on that take off, and there are ALOT of bad and dangerous take offs due to the characteristics of that toz. I hope this school does not take it's students to that location!
MaartenSpoek 2 years ago
i dont think he had the time (and the BALLS) to think where was he going to in order to put out the em. chute...
Spathar 2 years ago
after reading your reply to my commit,sounds like you don't para glide .Just like with hang gliders ,we and paragliders flight with a back-up chute, 99.9% of us will never have to use it, but we all fly with one,(I'v used mine twice but I'm crazy like that),I know this guy was not on a chute ,but he had one with him !!!!!!! Thanks , sorry about asking a question beyond your reach.
medoug69 2 years ago
what happend to the parachute ??Did he die?
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upnupnup 2 years ago
Fucked his world !!!
mikexray123 2 years ago
He should not have a collapse in the first place. never heard of active flying? He shoud have braked when the glider surged forward.
12vibaba 2 years ago 2
I agree. I think a thermal is responsible for the sudden slow down of the wing...
noeteyssedou 2 years ago
for me as a none paraglider it looks that the conditions are too bad for him. in that split sec after he gets with high speed upwards ( 0:17) and the lines were less stressed by his weight when that move stoped a wind knocked of his wing. that basicly leads him to a hardright swoop and send him crashing.
ouchh that looks so bad.
punisher17011990 3 years ago
I was thinking about doing it....never mind.
tobigforyou 3 years ago
Try hang gliding. Takes a bit longer to learn, but your wings don't collapse... Not to say that sport doesn't have its share of risks too.
sts70004 2 years ago
So easy to learn to fly a paraglider ,but hangliding is so more rewarding ,and they do n`t have any where near the issues with unstable air ,anyone thinking of paragliding, try hang gliding.
roseytinted 2 years ago
After seeing that, Im definatly going with the hang gliding. My mind is made up for sure. I dont want to be smashed on rocks.
seanie222 2 years ago 2
you was thinking of parachuting gliding before , right? now I have aswell changed my mind forever, I know though that anything parachute can collapse
leviterande 2 years ago
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☠☠☠☠ LOL!!! funny .. poor guy ☠☠☠
centozo 3 years ago