New backstab animation

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[Lemulisko]

what about this is normal...

[rtm1137]

wait, this was a new backstab animation? so what was the old one? I thought this was the same one since the release of the game

[Str0ngSide]

@rtm1137 This one is much faster and I believe it is to prevent "face stabs". If you want the original animation released with the game, play the Xbox 360 version. We only received 4 patches in 4 years. Yeah. They hate us.

[gonegang95]

@Str0ngSide nah microsoft are just being assholes and not releasing the updates for free, so now they have to reason with microsoft for years and microsoft keep saying no, they put the episode 3 team onto this job which is why it's been delayed so much

[Hazzard67]

@gonegang95 Microsoft didn't make tf2. Valve did. Valve didnt make any more updates for the xbox.

[gonegang95]

@Hazzard67 no, but microsoft made xbox, VALVe want to release the PC updates on xbox for free but microsoft are saying they want people to pay for the updates, which is why there aren't any yet.

[Hazzard67]

@gonegang95 Well acctully, Theres been about 20 xbox tf2 updates. None of wich where weapon updates. Though...They allowed server editing being easyer by having a menu of things you can do now. The ps3 never got any updates. I think though since ps3 can get a hold of steam...It could be able to update some time.

[IMFAgent1]

I blinked and missed it.

[artrosis56]

how i can put bots in tf2 ?

[toastymoviesXxX]

@artrosis56 if you have own server typ in console TF_bot_add

[UchihaDarius]

BLU SPY IN THE BASE

[iansquared3]

haaa sometimes i miss the old backstab. it was pretty fun.

[pizzaboy331]

its betta fast

[Animefan164]

@brasilstation

it must be edited from where you live

[TheCooldude2001]

are those bots because if they are then how do you make them not kill you

[supasata]

@TheCooldude2001 type in console "sv_cheats 1" "bot (if you want specific team, name, class) type bot -team blu/red -class heavyweapons/etc. -name bobby joe pickle head" :3 then enjoy!

[CTCJakinator]

which map is this?

[ENDORPHINSAM]

@CTCJakinator The map were you can KILL PEOPLE UNREALISTICLY! >:D Idk it looks like a cool map like umm the HQ map I think

[OfficerNelson]

@CTCJakinator cp_granary I think, just with enemy static bots spawned.

[monkeypoo6]

The spy's gonna get carpolltunnel syndrome.

[XmissyoX]

HEY HES IN THE ELItE SPy GROUP

[Kingydumboeene]

The soldier doesnt listen to the spy.

[3TimesImGone]

its called an achievement server lol

[bloodsuckern]

the new one is awesome. you dont have to wait 2 seconds to cut anyone after a backstab aimed in

[Nakkiliemi]

I think the new backstab animation is not as good as the slice (the old one), the 'slice' can be done more far away than the new one.

[theeconomy3]

Well part of the problem is too many spys are obvious and that makes all the pyros twichy and fire happy. Honestly, someone needs to nerf the pyros so everyone else can actually, you know, play the game.

[anotherwrld]

They're supposed to be adding a second unlockable for the revolver that is a suit that makes the Spy 90% resistant to fire damage...I honestly dislike the idea, but hey, I honestly think immunity to one class in the form of a physical item is starting to become something Valve likes (ie, the useful-only-if-you-stick-with-­teammates Razorback).

[theeconomy3]

Hey anything to put those pyros in their place. But, I was kinda hoping that it'd be a different class. Eg demoman having a flame retardant suit. Not a spy.

[dirtydeedz161]

That would certainly make more sense.

Fire-retardant overalls > fireproof suit.

[BruceMcManly]

Whoever told you that information is most assuredly an unreliable source. Valve themselves have not announced any more unlockables for the spy. The Demoman, Soldier, and Engineer are still deprived of second weapons.

[anotherwrld]

You are correct.  Valve themselves have not said anything in that regard. My source is not that of Valve employees, but that of beta testers. It is indeed possible that this "fire-proof suit" may not come to pass.

However, they were testing ways to try and make some of the classes more viable for competitive play. Such an idea may seem an absurd addition, but if it was, then would adding a back stab shield to the Sniper NOT be absurd?

[Morkat1991]

Since you can still pretty much ambassador or even regular revolver them to death easily, it's not absurd at all. Not being able to spy check whatsoever is absurd however. (Regular shootin' doesn't exactly tell you whether or not it's a spy)

[dieslowly0473]

err, the engineer got its dispensers and tele's upgraded+ i highly doubt engy is meant for offence WITH HIS weapons (shotgun-pistol)

[nealcm1]

@BruceMcManly Well, in the War Update people have found an icon for a folded up spy suit with a fire logo on it in the game's files.

[FilmSnapper]

@nealcm1 That was a beta weapon for the spy. It made if either flame retardent (couldn't set alight) or that he took 90% less flame damage.

[HeavyMetalRayman]

@FilmSnapper which would have made the spy over powered

[FilmSnapper]

@HeavyMetalRayman Nah. It would've replaced something like the sapper or the duisguise kit, meaning the spy would loose a major item. Also, If you spray randomly then you set the spy on fire for about 0.5 seconds, like the pyro, so you could then just follow him and spray him. If he took 90% less damage, he wouldn't be fire proof, so when you've set him alight you can use your axe or your shotgun, and team-mates can cut him down really easily.

[HeavyMetalRayman]

@FilmSnapper True, but it would make him better at sentry removal. Or any other engineer building.

[FilmSnapper]

@HeavyMetalRayman Not if it replaced the sapper :P

[HeavyMetalRayman]

@FilmSnapper Good point.

[Treblaine]

@BruceMcManly that's all changed now, Demo + Soldier have had their updates and on top of that there are now community-designed updates adding even more unlockable weapons, like Pyro's Sledge Hammer that deals incredible damage to buildings and can knock off sappers from friendly buildings.

[Estheriam]

@Treblaine Hmm the Sledge seems like something that would match the soldier, in my opinion, i dont see the Pyro using a Hammer, a battery ram would be something tho o.o

[Treblaine]

@Estheriam but pyro is always an "up-close-and-personal" class, an uber-ed pyro is the ideal job of clearing out a cover covered by sentries, sledge hammer aides that even more. Plus sledge-hammer swing is almost identical to axe swing.

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Also, Pyro is an ideal companion to engineer: spychecking, air-blasting ubers/stickes away, now they can knock sappers off if engie happens to be away getting more metal (can't repair friendly structures though).

[GoldenPickaxe]

@BruceMcManly 1 year ago

LOLFAIL

[Farm4Gold]

@BruceMcManly

And then we now have second weapons.

[Whiskersthecycat7]

@Farm4Gold That's the joke.

[RubberVegetables]

@Farm4Gold

now we have 598952347893475890376890346389­05790834750754nd

hats and -4 more weapons for him.

[KrodaStagg]

I hated that you can be a few feet behind tham and Back stab them. It would only be fair to make it so that you have to be right up close behind them instead of just running by and swinging the knife behind them

[arcticf0x8]

Yes but then again the spy is already a hard class to play. You've got pyros who will torch every corner of every map, your disguises are next to useless, cloak sounds are REALLY loud now, and FaN+Airblast ruins your day 50% of the time. The last thing we needed was another spy nerf.

[KrodaStagg]

To be honest it makes the game more fun. Every Character has a weakness and I lke games that are more balanced. Im trying to be a better spy but I do agree with you. But Spying should be hard.

[arcticf0x8]

Yes but think of the pyro. I'm not a standout player. I couldn't last one second in CEVO. Yet with pyro I can W+M1 and get 27 kills and 10 deaths with no skill at all. The game SHOULD be balanced...

And how can a guy wearing a flameproof suit and carrying 100lbs of gear be able to run as fast as a guy wearing a tux carrying a knife, pistol, sapper, and cigarette case?

[Otiss13]

Dude i know ! I love playing pyro but when ur spy you really dont want to see them coming your way

[DiAmOnD595]

exactly. i used to be able to Surf past you BACKWARDS and face-stab you before you could react. now i cant do that, but instead its more like Surf-backwards-to-Headshot. i mean its Hard playing a Spy. they could make it at least easier to fucking SURVIVE with a positive K.D. Ratio. i mean i used to be able to get some good kills, but now, its hard just to get a kill before dying!

[arcticf0x8]

Luckily I decided to quit spying after the pyro update, getting back into it has been really hard.

I was a ESEA highlander spy, but now I can barely compete.

[dirtydeedz161]

I agree with you.

But hey, I've been a spy and played with some really dumb enemies. I once Cloak-and-Daggered and spent the entire map in the enemy team intelligence room, taking the briefcase off the table and laying it on the ground in front of it, then hiding back in my corner. A pyro would come rushing in and wouldn't even check the corners before leaving (mind you, I did this all of eight times).

[arcticf0x8]

I've started learning the possibilities of the other spy watches now. I went 9-0 on Badwater with the Dead Ringer (not suprisingly, I decided that I wouldn't record that night's play.) And the normal invisibility watch has an edge over the CnD by recharging with ammo boxes and dispensers.

[dirtydeedz161]

I've tried the Dead Ringer, and noticed how my "Death" doesn't register as a kill, so everyone on the other team yells "DEAD RINGER!", which brings all the Pyros out to check every nook and cranny.

I didn't know ammo boxes recharge the normal watch! XD Thanks for that tip. I still like the CnD primarily because it can recharge and I can stay invisible, say, in a corner or behind a crate.

[arcticf0x8]

Maybe your uncloaking really fast and near people...it's loud. The person who kills you gets a little notification that they did, but then again they can always check their KDR/points to see if it really was a kill.

[dirtydeedz161]

That's true, though in the past I've never had someone reel around after hearing me uncloak.

[callmepwn]

It fakes a kill and gives you a temp point

[callmepwn]

LOL

[DiAmOnD595]

oh okey, like being Medic sawed from fucking TWENTY-ONE feet away? thats not worthy of a narf is it? or the Soldier? with 12 feet? dude the Spy can get enough done as it is, its a hard class can those who do play it, are the ones playing, probably the hardest class to play.

[IfTheLightTakesUs]

they're bots 

bot -team (red/blue) -class (what their class is) -name (call em bitch) XD

[ALargeBaby]

It's the default one for the game... Valve sped it up a while ago.

[officer020413]

spy update, noob!

[nooneizded]

Oh dear, I've quite a mess.

[RockNaruto]

I accidentally the YouTube comment

[Iwatchthestuff]

OVER 9000 VIEWS!

[Emiliox30]

New spy unlock:Spwead h4xzzz

[matttheman597]

I am inaccurate at Team Fortress 2, but I was able to pull this one off.

[Asscheex]

Ouch, that looks increasingly brutal every stab.

And they way they fly, the spy must work out o.o

[rikumelenium]

so you were the spy that facestabbed me millions of times

<________<

[BloodyBuddy2311]

Hehe Yep. That was me alright. I LOOOOOOOOOVED making facestabs! :)

[andrisstr]

Dude,you can. You just need more training.

[Ikimono]

it actually has to do with the hit boxes, so you're half right. the hit box animation just goes through the hitbox of the other character, making your knife go through to the back.

[icsx]

Usually lag compensation causes animation to fire too late / too early and the one who you are trying to stab has already moved, making the stab ineffective. However, there is no way to fix the stab. Only thing there is need to be done is to make animation shorter like they did and improve the netcode wherever it is possible.

[polini5000]

thats how fast it should be

[CoreMarine]

you know, after playing spy for a bit, i think valve killed the spy after all of this. I cant even get a single stab anymore. by the time i even reach someones back, a pyro or someone will kill me before i can stab them. This new spy update+the people who are WAY too watchful looking for spies= a lot of happy spy checkers killing spies.

[beastybob999]

quik.... but no more quik stabs like where he dont do the animation just normal stab but he kills..

[TheHitmenMGC]

Wow your grammer and spelling is incredible...

[beastybob999]

lol.......

[Tyrukia]

Hahaha.

[OriginalDeathpill]

It is... until you stab someone who moves at the last second... and it doesn't work very well on heavys either... it got killed..

[FrostyFin]

Man that fast stab looks so brutal

[CoreMarine]

i love how Valve said they fixed the facestab update. just yesterday i face stabbed a pyro when he turned around. i was shocked so much i went afk right at my keyboard for 20 seconds. They fixed a lot of spy problems so much that i hate Valve for doing that, but the face stab thing can still be done, just a little bit on the rare side

[julian1000]

Now it only happens in bad servers.

Face stabs are when a stab registers incorrectly so if you have a good ping boosted server with not too many people it won't happen/

[CoreMarine]

eh it depends, i wasnt (in my opinion) on a bad server but i got this face stab after, at least 8 other back stabs and from his point of view he may still had his back turned

[Hezzy18]

i was shocked so much i went afk right at my keyboard for 20 seconds.

[SeveNnTyFour]

whatever...

[Monkeyboy92037]

i was shocked so much i went afk right at my keyboard for 20 seconds.

what???

[palidan99]

is there anyone here that can provide me with a link to download the map Tr_airstab please? I really need to practice on it

[diabloman91]

Can a human even stab that fast? Well I understand if you're a Mafia person like the spy but DAMN!

Spy ftw.

[StealthyPenguin]

French mafia?

[Cheesedragon117]

Yeah, it seems pretty unrealistic.

[civandalic]

Unrealism? In TF2? Why, I NEVER!

[Fortress0Forever]

Muzzleflash.

[shitholeftw]

I hate the new animation of the new stab. It's that fast that u can't enjoy your satb

[chaos7040]

Finally Some far ness to tf2

[z24017147]

good job valve

[WestwoodGryphon]

Apparently VALVe DOES watch You Tube.

[spinnypanda34]

.____. Is that even humanly possible. I mean wow...

[PineappleOranges]

Spies are not humans, that is why they were masks!

[50HitCombo]

Damn, that sucks, now I can't BACKSTAB someone in their face.

I always loved how I can BACKSTAB people where their face is. It's stunning.

I'll be serious, now. It IS hard to play as a spy, but the frontstabs and sidestabs were just exploits or bugs. Relax.

[Shadoris0]

I have faced stabbed more people since this update..

[ElementOwner]

Spy around here!

[Billjo5]

well that was athletic.

[twitcher64]

I hate the fact they took out the sidestab. I just got used to the walk-by stab too.

[RipRey]

They removed sidestabs? Aww

[chenjohn]

they fixed it so face stabs or side stabs wont result in a cheap instant death

[cubaisdeath]

wow, way to make spies worse...

[CoomShot]

i hate it so much, they removed quickstabbing and overstabbing...-.-

[RainingMetal]

It's nice, but maybe they could have made it so that when the Backstab animation occurs, the enemy CANNOT escape. It would be dramatic, yet balanced as well, right?

[KotoKokopelli]

SPIES ON COKE

[Kyrax1]

IT FIXED FACESTABS

[ibexr88]

I kind of miss the original animation because the wind-up before the knife plunge just looked cooler imo. Now its just like BANG

[Dude902]

Yeah, it looks ridiculous now.

[Pleeplapoo]

Let me explain to you what this is. I can already tell that the goal of this animation was to shorten the gap between noobs spies and good spies. This new animation wont change the way good spies play but it completely nerfed the way good spies play. Which upsets me cuz it tooke me a fucking long time to get good at spy.

[inkiw]

JESUS CHRISTTTT.

Awesome...

[Rikushix]

This is fucking awesome.

I'd love having a faster stab in exchange for slightly (only slightly) reduced range. God, it's so much fun being a spy.

[snowbonez]

QQ!!!!!!!!!!

[mikeyzor]

the old one was better if you were good at spacing yourself between the target... this new backstabs range is far limited in comparison

[FoxHoundUnit89]

Yay less bullshit and more spies with skill.

[lejohn02]

Notice how now the backstab is always a crit hit?

[biggsff]

It always has been. The backstab and headshot have always been critical hits.

[kane220]

Who else enjoys the feeling of the backstab feeling like it crushes it's way into the opponents skull?

[TheShadowstorm]

Finally.

[opmandrake]

Spies just got fucked once again. Seriously with all the bitching about frontstabs how many times did it ACTUALLY happen?

No headstab? well fuck trying to get engs then! No flicking sidestab? Screw chasing medics and scouts!

.Even the *backstabs* themselves now don't work half the time cuz the range is so narrow!

Guess if they wanted spies to be basically a spawn camping class, CONGRATS motherfuckers, you did it! I'll just go sap 300 teleporters now cuz thats all Im gonna be good for!!

[PoisonedHeirloom]

You get killed too often

[Goodguy33]

Whine one one we need a Whambulance send some Police Bawficers as well.

Am I cool yet?

[zandkun]

no it just required retarded opponents

[palidan99]

what some of you don't realise is this actually makes spies harder. the range of the stab is shortened. there is an angle decrease. spies can no longer flickstab well, stairs stab, side stab, top stab or do a whole manner of things that could of been used to outsmart the enemy before. this update has good and bad sides...

[SizzlingMonkey]

True that.

[StickZer0]

I spent the last 10 mins playing on a server with tr_airstab on. After about 1 mins i'd picked up how to perfectly do a flickstab, and my stairstabs hit about 90% of the time, just like they did before. This is an extreme buff, all you have to do is change your timing a little bit.

[palidan99]

although some things can still be done, although harder, this update is, without a doubt a nerf. I've been through this so many times but people don't seem to understand that the range IS decreased, the angle IS smaller, and techniques ARE harder to use.

[StickZer0]

I wouldn't so much say it's a nerf as this is how stabs should have been in the first place anyway, and the other stab was jsut a buff if you understand. Although I do agree it's harder because of the range I find I miss a lot less stabs due to an accidental trigger of the animation that i would have missed before.

[GrexicanNerd]

But on the plus side, backstabs are more reliable, meaning that there's less of a chance of your target moving right as your knife comes down. Also, stab and saps are ridiculously easy now.

[palidan99]

sure, more reliable, right.

if your'e willing to go through with having a much harder time reaching that reliable little target and probably missing all the time because of miscalculations, lag, last second movements, suspicion of staring at reliable little target, etc.

[wingspantt]

pwn

[Chariflame]

Holy crap.

[burningfajitas]

I sorta like the animation it fits with the game :D

[tehRelinquished]

DAYUM!!1

[Thegumpsta]

oj sd0sd0g-dfgodfgdf yes

i love you valve

sdfsdfsdfsdf

[PeterPetrelli93]

Love it....

Fyi i'm a spy

[Deioth]

OMFG WHAT!? Might as well gotten rid of the animation entirely omg, that just looks silly as hell XD

[1xadavid]

im like dieing of laughter, i cant wait till i play tf2 with spy >:D

[DrUmbreon]

Fuck, that's fast.

The Spy must have had some Bonk.

[LeeJamYam]

Finally... we have a professional spy on the roster

[Darktech13]

HOLY CRAP BEST UPDATE EVAR

[joedx]

Oh. My. God. YES!!!

[Dude902]

It looks unnaturally fast.

[TheEmerald]

*tears of joy*

[katheb]

tears O joy~ now my horrible ping will be less of a problem for me stabbing =]

[nubanimator]

i wish they kept the anim where the spy poked the knife at the enemy, that looked boffo.

[theAbstruseJuice]

lol that's beautiful

[Reitsuchi]

There's no way... stupid slow download, I have to try this.

[AKiSatoshi]

nice, thats some speed he's got there.

[Annaleebie]

WOAH. Spies are really moving on up.

[Deathbyinternets]

I...I think I just came.....Yes I did...

This is the best...Update...ever

[pgreg]

I can't imagine how good x Bobble x will be with this buff

[NintyFanboy]

Damn that is fast. Can't wait to try it in game. Downloading the update now actually.

[ManTiddies42]

HOLY SHIT THATS FREAKIN AWSOME