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  • he probably skidded his foot guys. STEELERS FTW.

  • Steeler pride

  • TOUCHDOWN

  • If your a steelers fan you only like them cuz there good

  • @MrChexmax Are you really this fucking retarded?

  • @MrChexmax ?

  • He didn't catch it if you think so your retarded

  • @MrChexmax It's "you're," as in "you are," dipshit, and yes, he did. Deal already.

  • Lee Evans is sickeningly jealous of this right now --- two hands on the ball and a trip to the Super Bowl. Holmes may be a head case, but at least he didn't shrink from the moment.

  • @chuckhowe well let em all keep non believing, im sure one day the nfl will come forward and say it was a set up and they take back the call and lombardi from pittsburgh. lol in my opinion a man has to be about retarded to not CLEARLY see he had both toes in bounds and possesion. u ever looked under the hood? i got to once, i promise u what they show on tv zoom that in about 5 times that. thats the view they see! Not only that but it has to be 100% to overturn a call. that was a td, absolutely

  • I looked up clutch and nothing came up

  • When you look up the definition of CLUTCH, you'll see a link to this play.

  • @BrandonLori when u look up CLUTCH u you will see a Link of ryan leaf`s career

  • the good WR catch the ball with hands no body, as megatron or fitz

  • whats the purpose of this? we all know he scored and feet in bounds. im just curious whats the whole point here??

  • @1980kyboy actually, as you can witness for yourself, not everyone believes he caught the ball... granted they are not very well versed in NFL rules... but none-the-less the non-be;ievers are out there.

  • @1980kyboy - I'M WITH YOU ON THIS COMMENT!

  • @1980kyboy p.s he only had ONE foot on the ground :/

  • @Legometallica09 If you think so, you're either blind, stupid, or just plain in denial. Probably all three...

  • @gf19711 One thing, if I was blind, how could I be typing?

    Another thing, if I was stupid I'd be typing like this: hudfhekfuhieirjede3ik

    And last thing: Yes, i'm in denial, Cardinals deserved atleast ONE SB Win.

  • He's literally on the tip top of his toes like a ballerina he could not be any higher up on them..... incredible.

  • i want a potato like this

  • And InstantVizion totally made up a BS rule. "You need to have full possession for at least 2 seconds". BAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, please tell me where you got THAT info! Typical dumbass Steelers hater.

  • thank god you uploaded this. I'm tired of people sayin he did not have both toes down! this is the proof! you can not argue with this

  • This video quality did suck but we still won this game!!;)

  • He had it bitches :D

  • By instantvizions logic, if a receiver catches a touchdown in the middle of the endzone with both feet down but doesn't tuck the ball into his chest it shouldn't count as a TD. What a retard.

  • :OOOOOOOOOOO AT 0:16 SOME 1 GETz RHHAPED ON DA LEFT

  • The reds gave the steelers the championship against the seahawks there was this td where Ben rb ran for a sneak didn't make it and after the play was over Ben took he ball out from under his stomach and put the ball in the endzone the refs called it a td bs also they were more bs penalties

  • Video creator...as clearly as you just proved it was a catch, i bet a bunch of people are still crying about it aren't they?

    What's funny is, i've never met a person in real life that disputes it. It's only little kid Steeler haters on the internet. Strange

  • Please find me a sports analyst who doesn't think this is a touchdown. Come on haters. Steelers haters are the only people who are arguing this call

  • I wonder what instantvizion would be saying if it were Larry Fitzgerald who made this catch instead of Holmes. Guarantee you he would be calling this a touchdown. Seriously, are there more retarded people on this planet than Steelers haters?

  • @gf19711 you need to brush up on the rules to get a touchdown you need the ball in full possesion with both toes on the ground ball tucked in for least 2 seconds look at that pic where his toe is up and refs always say you need two toes on the ground full possession for a td it doesn't matter steelers suck and the game is over so suck on it dumbass

  • @InstantVizion Legit catch, dumbass. Learn the rules and deal with it.

  • ok i hate the steelers but you guys need to stop bitching about it and realize its over the steelers got their karma they got smashed by the packers this year in the sb and also its only gonna get worse they are never going to get an 8th championship or 7th because they cheated and for the person who made this vid you dont know shit about nfl full possesion is when you have the ball TUCKED IN and both feet down and holmes didnt steelers suck ass plain and simple.. they robbed arizona and shawks

  • @InstantVizion Speaking of not knowing shit, you're the one who needs to brush up on the rules. Tard.

  • @InstantVizion that's karma? lol you're one of those people that over use word/use them where they don't apply.

    Karma for what? What really happened is, they played a really good team, and lost a close game.

    They got smashed? If you have the ball last, and you only need a touchdown to win..how is that getting smashed? The Packers dominated the first half, the Steelers dominated the second half, but it wasn't enough.

    a good game between two good teams...no more needs to be looked in to

  • @InstantVizion They cheated? are you retarded, or just a little kid? If there is any blame to go around (there isn't) you could possibly blame the NFL, maybe the refs (even though they are human, and make mistakes) but how in the fuck could you say the Steelers cheat? that's just stupid

    They robbed those two teams how? The Seahawks robbed themselves, you just conveniently forgot how.

    They robbed the Cards? that's a joke, they were lucky the game was that close

  • @InstantVizion your an idiot. 1. they didn't get smashed, I think think Green Bay sucks for letting the Steelers almost beat them when the turned the ball over 3 times for 21 points. Considering how close it was. 2. They cheated? your delusional, they spanked seattle, and he did have possession of the ball with both feet down. Steeler haters hate because they wish they won 6, but too bad, cry me a river, and cool story bro

  • @InstantVizion wow u must be stupid dude the does not need to be tucked in to have possession and his feet are clearly on the ground inbounds so stfu and super bowl win # 7 here we come this year

  • I didn't know Jesus Christ played NFL football for the Steelers...

  • cardinals FAIL

    Steelers WIN

  • How can anyone honestly deny this touchdown? If this was ruled incomplete, I can pretty much guarantee there would be a huge controversy.

  • @DMStearn They can't. The only ones that have issues with this play being ruled a TD are butthurt Cardinals bandwagoners who didn't give a shit until the Cards got past Carolina in the divisional round that year and Steelers haters.

  • that was a good catch toes down all i can say TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!

  • So what you're saying that he has possession and his toes are down?

  • Toes down , TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!! Go Steelers

  • Man how close can you get. Just like the ben TD vs seattle in SuperBowl XL.

    The steelers just got the calls from the refs in these either way calls.

  • @gfscarface13 there wasnt an either way on this video idiot it was cleary a touchdown no matter what

  • SIXBURGH BABY!!!!

  • i love this video so mush i faved subscribed all my steeler haters convinced now this should put this on youtube home

  • Alright. I'm finally convinced. But still...not happy

  • THANK YOU 4 making this video im tierd of people bitchin the cardinal were cheated. OFFICAL PROOF

  • TOUCHDOWNNNNNN YOU STUPID CARDINAL FAN MUTHERFUCKERSSS!!!

  • youre a bitch. just because youre a steelers hater.he definetly got his feet down. they reviewed it 50 times. youre not the referee u cant make the call anyways and it already happened s quit bitching

  • youre a bitch. just because youre a steelers hater

  • @CaseyMcLaughalot most of your previous response was an incoherent rambling of words.... furthermore, I think your comments speak for themselves. you're just trying to piss people off.

    in cae you're wondering, this is the part of the comment thread that I quit responding to you. have a nice night pissing other people off.

  • @CaseyMcLaughalot Unless you've posted under a different name, I've never responded to you... And that's the benefit of having a smart phone, I get my email instantly.

  • @CaseyMcLaughalot and for the record, I haven't posted a video in about 4 months...

  • @CaseyMcLaughalot if people who spend all day posting stupid videos have no life, what does that make you for spending the better part of the night posting comments?

    If you truly believe the NFL is fixed, why do you watch? That's not logical.

    Every team has cocky fans, the cocky fans from losing teams keep mostly quiet until they win.

    I don't have time to answer everyone that comments, and some comments are not worth responding to...

    Have I covered everything you asked?

  • @CaseyMcLaughalot blaming the refs? lol... you're either a Cardinals' fan or a Steelers' hater.

  • @drbayoms, how was this Super Bowl win not legit when this video shows he had complete possession and both feet down? Ignorant hater.

  • 34-17 Packers win. Aaron Rodgers, 21-30, 257 yds 2 TD's 1 INT.

    James Starks 21 rushes, 106 yards 1 TD.

    Green Bay Defense, 3 sacks, 1 FF, 2 INT's 1 Defensive or 1 Special Teams TD.

    James Harrison 0 Sacks.

    The Steeler defense will have a sack, but it will not come from Harrison.

  • @drbayoms Ummm, firstly, what exactly does this have to do with Santonio Holmes or Super Bowl XLIII?

    Secondly, your prediction is a bit on the optimistic side. Perhaps the packers will win.... I seriously doubt it will be by 17 points.

  • @chuckhowe

    17, at a minimum.

  • @drbayoms lmao... again, this has what to do with Santonio Holmes or Super Bowl XLII?

    Oh, that's right, you just want to agitate people... Sucks to be you. I'm not biting.

    Oh no, some guy on the internet thinks my favorite team is going to lose in the Super Bowl! Oh poor me! I think I am going to cry!

    LMAO... keep fishing.

  • @chuckhowe

    Actually I believe that will be the outcome. As far as the agitation, I am not that smart. I mean in order for me to feel like I was agitating you. You would have to keep responding to my comments. But thanks for continuing ot respond to me and letting me know I am not worth the response. I am sure there is some Jedi mind trick at work here. I just can't seem to figure out who is "working" it though. Can you?

  • @drbayoms two responses... oh no! now it's three... WOW! you've got me there.

    "Because of the genius of the wording of my last post, he can't respond to me without admitting I am agitating him... Time to pat myself on the back for being so awesome."

    Damn, you're too smart for me...

  • @chuckhowe

    You showed me, huh? I'll know better next time when communicating with someone as intelligent as you. Most people would have not responded, but not you. No sir, you showed me just how bright you really are. Unfortunately for you.

  • @drbayoms lmao... You're right, a lot of people wouldn't respond, but it's too fun watching you stroke your own ego. I'm surprised you haven't declared victory yet. You already reworded my post as a comeback... you're sure to run out of original material soon...

    Oh, by the way, don't mind the smile on my face... my blood is BOILING over here. GRRRRRRRRR, I'm so mad!

  • @chuckhowe

    Oh, I caught enough to eat 20 minutes ago. This is just extra credit. It seems that no matter what bait I use, I feel a little tug on my "line".

  • @drbayoms oh yeah... you're the master fisherman.

    Or do I get entertainment out of feeding trolls like you your own medicine? I'll leave you to contemplate that one... after all, you're the smart guy and I'm the one that falls for all your ingenious tricks...

  • @chuckhowe

    WOW, My biggest one yet! Now IF I COULD JUST REACH MY NET!

  • @chuckhowe

    Hurry up with that reply, NOW!

  • @chuckhowe

    You would not be much of a man if you did not respond. DON'T QUIT NOW. You are soooo close.

  • @chuckhowe

    Yes!!!! VICTORY!!!

  • The only people that seem to question this TD are either Cardinals fans or Steelers haters. Every unbiased Cardinals fan or Steelers hater I have come across on the internet have said this is a TD.

  • It's hard to Believe  that my steelers r gonna face ex player 2day!!! Go steelers!!!!!

  • When the hell was there ever any dispute that this was a touchdown. It was called a touchdown immediately, and nobody that matters has ever questioned it.

  • @jediwise there wasn't... a handful of Cardinals' fans and Steelers' haters have been crying about it on the net from the moment Super Bowl XLIII ended... No one that actually matters... No one from the media.

    I just like to poke big dumb animal with a stick... and when they get mad and try to strike back at me... well they're too dumb to do any damage.

  • and then we traded him *facepalm*

  • now hes on the jets

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  • @Sbpackinheat22 The Steelers were losing 23-20 prior to this catch. They had been leading 20-7 going into the fourth quarter, but the Cardinals were able to climb back into the game in the last seven and a half minutes of the game. The real momentum swing came when they had pinned the Steelers inside their own 5 and the Cardinals were awarded a safety due to a holding penalty. Twenty-one seconds later, Larry Fitzgerald scored on a 64 yard down TD reception.

  • @chuckhowe There was 2:37 left when the Cardianls kicked the ball off back to the Steelers. Roethlisberger ran the two minute drill to near perfection culminating with this catch... that won the game for the Steelers.

  • ok, if everybody says "these evidence aren't good enough" and the officials in the game didnt have good evidence either, does it matter? enough evidence or not...steelers won, get over it

  • people are such sore losers that they have to look at every piece of dust to prove either one team didnt win or one team should have won

  • Pittsburgh rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • all u fags complaining about it.......WHO GIVES A FUCK!?!?!? it was 2 years ago,we kicked ure ass deal with it!!

  • Lol, hows about everyone chill.. CARDINAL FANS ARE JUST MAD CAUSE THEY LOST !!!! BOO HOOO lmao. Try again this year. ~~!Steelers forever!!~~

  • thanx professor jag-off

  • @606tjl1 it's not a problem at all. always happy to educate the ignorant.

  • @chuckhowe I don't believe the NFL is fixed, but this game was trash. If i ever find the link disproving the catch ill be happy to show it to you.

  • @mattryanownz i know the photo you're talking about... hell, it's at the end of this video. You have to look at more than one photo and use a little reason. The photo in which his foot is off of the turf was well after the defensive back pushed him, of course his toes are going to come up as he's being shoved to the ground. Where were his toes when he made the catch? That's the question. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette sells a photo in which you can see both feet down. Your proof doesn't exist.

  • @chuckhowe No, its not that photo, that could have been taken at any time. I'm talking about a camera angle that was shot from the other sideline. His foot never touched the ground but I have trouble finding it. And the photo (which I've seen) that was in the Gazette did not prove he caught the ball.

  • @mattryanownz really? so a photo of Santonio with the toes of both feet down with the ball firmly in his grasp isn't proof? ok....

    i have a pdf of the official NFL rulebook, i think i need to email it to you bevause you clearly don't understand the rules of the game.

  • @chuckhowe I've seen that photo a million times, his foot is just off the ground, plus its a side view, not a very accurate picture. I may have to send you a pair of glasses because you are obviously blind my friend. :P

  • @mattryanownz if we're indeed talking about the same photo, you're the one who is blind... i'm going to send you several links to photos that show both toes down (from several angles) while he has the football in his grasp.

  • Sorry tool. But the NFL Rule Book states that a receiver must PRESS DOWN OR TAP DOWN both feet not simply GRAZE the top of the grass as Holmes CLEARLY did with his right foot.

    Child Please ! The NFL favors its big market teams in the postseason. This has been going on for over 20 years. The Officiating will always be slanted toward big market teams in big postseason games !

  • @jackassmules28

    A. no the rulebook doesn't, try reading that one again.

    B. Phoenix (the city in which Arizona plays) is a larger market than Pittsburgh

    Your facts are all jacked up.

  • @chuckhowe  Beat me to it.

  • @jackassmules28 How is Pittsburgh a bigger market than Phoenix?

  • @HereWeGoSteelers it's all good... it seems like @jackassmules28's name suits him. At least he recognized he was ignorant and didn't make an attempt at a comeback. That's the first step in overcoming your ignorance, maybe there is still hope for him.

  • @jackassmules28 gets your facts right before you make an ass of yourself

  • well i'm a serious doubter and i HAVE PROOF that this was NO TOUCHDOWN!!!

    The rule is that you have to have both feet down and if you are pushed out before the other can come down, its a catch. Holmes was hit causes his right foot, which is about half an inch from the ground, to fly up in the air. By the rule, it technically was a force out

  • @kevdaman9 except that his foot actually touched... and they did away with the force-out rule. now both feet have to come down no matter what. If he bobbles the ball as he caught it, this wouldn't be a catch, but he had possession the entire way to the ground, from the moment his hands touched the ball (with the toes of both feet down).

    but you confuse me, because you claim it wasn't a TD and then make a case for why it was a TD...

  • nice video and explanation!!

  • Originally when I saw the game live, even though I'm a Buckeye fan, and hate the Cardinals, I thought the refs gave the Steelers a game again, or at least helped them secure another win...but over time, with videos such as this, I have to give mad props to Holmes for out-dazzling Larry Fitzgerald...awesome catch, and a deserved win by the Steelers....it was an amazing game to watch....

  • Excellent analysis! Thanks for sharing.

  • Wow what a catch!! This guy is a great player! The Steelers are so lucky they better not let this guy get away!

    Seriously though this guy was a monster AND he won the super bowl for all of you, but yet you still cut him like he was trash. He won a super bowl, the least you could have done was not trade him because of some off the field issues. You didn't do that to Big Ben (guilty or not 2 similar charges in a shot period of time is like wtf).

  • @BMason3604 the two main differences between Roethlisberger and Holmes...

    A. Holmes was on his fourth incident: two domestic violence charges, possession of marijuana, and throwing a glass at a lady in an Orlando club... plus, as if that wasn't enough, he failed a whiz quiz and was staring at a 4 game suspension under the substance abuse policy... where as Ben hasn't been charged with anything... and this was his second incident period.

  • @BMason3604

    B. Roethlisberger has 5 years left on a contract that totals over $100 million. Cutting him would result in one hell of a cap hit. Holmes was entering the final season of his deal and his pockets weren't as fat as Roethlisbergers... I think they may have cut Ben, but it just didn't make sense to be on thehook for tha much cash... And they probably didn't get the trade value they wanted for him. They wanted a high first rounder.

  • THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING THIS VIDEO!!! I have used it proudly to shut countless people up. Best Superbowl I have ever seen.

  • college td fuckouttahere pitts done!!!

  • @daddykong1 lol... some people can't see the truth when it's right in front of their faces.

  • @chuckhowe i see the truth NO TD !!!

  • @daddykong1 of course it wasn't... that's why we've heard all those Arizona coqches and players complaining about it

  • TOUCH DOWN.

  • every one that says this was incomplete go to hell this guy is right GO STEELERS

  • stop hate'n he made the catch his toes were in with possession thats a TD.

  • stop hate'n he made the catch his toes were down with possession thats a TD

  • its funny how i dont see any cards fan commenting on THIS video.... a little too afraid to face the truth maybe?

  • Good job with the vid, Chuck.

  • Santonio and Hines are my favorite WRs. I'm really gonna miss Santonio, he did so many great things for the Steelers. :(

  • i love how all of these cardinals fans are saying that santonio holmes didn't have possession

  • Go Steelers!!!

  • well done for you doubters

  • pittsburgh is taking the 2010 2011 season bitches go PITTSBURGH

  • jets will win next season :)

  • lol well see i doubt it we play them finally we get to whoop sum jets ass lol

    troys gunna be healthy we gunna be on top!!!!! oh and do you guys know T.O. MIGHT BE GOING TO BALTIMORE AND MICHAEL VICK MIGHT BE GOING TO THE RAMS,BILLS,PANTHERS?????

  • lol dude. jets made the afc championship round with mark sanchez on his rookie year... now once her gets comfortable with the team we will dominate. and to add we have darelle revis an outstanding cornerback

  • anyway pittsburgh has a hard schedule to top that were losing ryan clark to miami and T.O. is coming to the afc north....bengals or ravens lol

  • fa sho

  • Here we go Stillers HERE WE GO!

  • finally someone gets the shot with him with his toes down now who steelers haters cant say nothin

  • It's true steelers haters!! Take a good look! and mohamed9286 we won 6 didn't we! and the cardinals have how many? :P

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  • hate to break the news to you,but most refs are going to say holmes doesn't have complete possession of the ball until he brings the ball into his chest,and as ball comes to his chest he only has one foot down the funny part is you actually show a clip of him with one foot down.after they reviewed it during the superbowl i was convinced it was a td, but i have seen evidence including this video,it could have went either way but there were other bad calls that could have helped the cards to win

  • you don't need to bring the ball to your chest to have complete possession... the biggest factor in possession is that you don't bobble the ball after you make the catch... as long as you don't bobble it, the moment the ball is in the grasp of your hands, you have possession

  • Anyone notice Chad OchoSTINKO dropped a VERY similar touchdown pass 1/9/2010 vs. The Jets in the AFC Wild Card game as he couldn't retain possession through the catch?

    Holmes > Chad JOHNSON

  • I've used this video to shut so many people up. Hats off for the upload.

  • Good video.

    I bet Cardinal fans won't watch it. Too many "facts" in it.

  • i don't get many trying to claim he didn't have his toes down on this video... the haters stick to my other videos to make their ridiculous claims.

  • I know, it's hilarious how they only look at THEIR "facts" while ignoring what the rest of the world saw on slow-motion replay from multiple angles... whatever helps them sleep at night... must be a bunch of transplanted Seattle fans.

    Now all I hope for is one more win and a little help this weekend so we can defend!

  • Good stuff

  • @chuckhowe He had one foot down, but his left foot is about 2 inches off the ground, as I see it.

  • @setentaycuatro74 that's funny, because those that claim he doesn't have both feet down always mention his right foot not being down, i have never heard anyone mention his left foot not being down.

  • exactly none of the idiots who make there "Why the Cardinals should have won Super Bowl 43" videos will watch this cause it proves everything they show or say is wrong.

  • Yeah, and I love how they also try to say that Harrison "didn't get in" on his TD return. As if...

    Well, gee whiz, maybe Warner shouldn't have thrown the pick in the first place...

    And I love how they say the refs "gave" us that game...

    Yeah, like the holding call that gave them a safety and the ball back? Or the holding on us on the first play of the game-winning drive? or how Warner took off his helmet twice to argue calls, but wasn't flagged for it?

    Whatever. We won. End of Story.

  • listen to all these fucking band wagon jumpers

    i bet half the 2008 steelers fans are saints or colts fans now

    btw when he got COMPLETE possession of the ball one foot wasnt down

  • the evidence is right there that he had both feet down with possession. or continue to be in denial like an idiot. your choice.

  • @AllHopeIsGone56

    What the fuck is "Full Possession?"

    the rule book teaches the possession is when the ball is controlled in your hands, not the body.

  • sounds like you're one fruit loop shy of a full box.

  • Actually, I have been a Steelers fan since childhood (even suffered with them through the dismal '80s). The only other team I follow is the Vikings...but I rooted for the Steelers when they played Minnesota.

    I think you're actually right about only one foot being down when he got complete possession. But it's clear that he "toe-tapped" with the second foot before being pushed out of bounds....they looked at it and confirmed it. Sorry....

  • These seattle, dallas and san fansisco fans keep whinning about tamper officiating. The steelers are not the jordan's chicago bulls who got more free passes and cheap way of winning. How many times people call silly fouls and jordan and pippen keep going to lines? Look on that last game whinning shot jordan foul the guy and they didn't call it. It's crazy how so many people hate my steelers. I guess some of you are philly fans. You probably hate my yankees too. Selam

  • Notice how 3 defensive backs suddenly lose sight of one receiver in the back corner of the endzone. Also note how disappointed the defensive backs are after the catch is made. Some of the best actors aren't in Hollywood there in the NFL. What a huge fix just like the Super Bowl with the Seahawks and Steelers.

  • LMAO... no, i didn't notice any of that. however, i did notice the WAB commenting on this thread.

    in case you don't get it...

    WAB= whiny a** b****

    if i were a betting man, i'd bet the farm you're a seahawks fan still suffering from sour grapes... you lost homie, accept it.

  • You don't win two super bowls in four years by being a fluke....or by the "fix" being in....we would have heard something along the lines of another Spygate by now.

    Lately I've been called to task with demands that I "man up" and stop "making excuses" for the Steelers underachiving this year. Well, I'll do that just as soon as the haters "man up" and finally accept that we won this game fair and square....

  • @pacmantab

    Neither of those 2 SuperBowls were legit. The Rooneys are a powerful family. It was owed to them by the league.

  • ok i like this video cause its true fuck the cardinals... steelers have six and nobody else does so shut the hell up and talk to me when your team wins a ring bitches

  • lol that catch they think the one foot was over the other i agree but not at first he caught the ball had possesion and then got both toes down and later as he came down the other foot slid over the top of the others and dont blame steriods on the superbowl

  • alright steelers won cardinals lost get over it if u cant live with it it may look like they used roids but thats because their the#1 defense

  • Back, and to the left.  Back, and to the left.

  • Steelers won, fair and square, the Arizona cry babies can get over it!

  • So it was ok for the steel curtain defense to use roids because it wasnt banned or tested for?

    You dont look at Canseco, ARod, Sosa, Manny and Ortiz different now after you found out they cheated?

    Yeah and Shawn Merriman got busted.

    It aint hating, its stating. Its a shame the Steelers are tainted, because they draft well and have good coaching but officials have helped put them over the top.

    You a member of the US military? Thanks for your service if so.

  • yeah, i'm currently in iraq... i love what i do though.

    we're gonna have to agree to disagree. and steve courson from the o-line for two of their super bowls was the only one i know about on roids... others have been accused, but roids were rampant in many sports in the 70's... just like speed was big in baseball... and how can you cheat without breaking a rule? the definition of cheating is violating the rules to obtain an advantage... not just obtaining an advantage, if that were the case..

  • lifting weights harder than the other guy could be considered cheating... things have to be taken in the context of the time, not by today's standards. for example, until people began to see the effects industry was having on the environment, there was no EPA to regulate emmissions and such... but that doesn't mean the polluting industries were wrong for polluting. there were no laws to regulate them, and for years no one even knew the harmful effects of pollutuion. same with roids...