Critical Thinking for Children - 3. Standards for Thinking

[insomniacgrace]

Indeed, better thinking keeps better solutions for problems.

[MomoTheBellyDancer]

Critical thinkers have it tough in this world ruled by numbskulls.

[l337pwnage]

Mixing thinking and emoting in a critical thinking video is a bit misleading.  They are separate issues, IMO. But, overall, it's a great vid.

[pidner]

And how about DONT INTERUPT people in the middle of what they are saying,Ive noticed alot of that going on nowdays,or people trying to finish your thought for you,so rude.

[Pnannyfiend]

@0pt the only clear aspect of your comment is your misunderstanding of the video and my point, because I have not split logic and relevance ... the creators of the tutorial has and relevance and logic being used as different processes is where I think the discrepancy stands.

[Atheistx82]

There seems to be a bit too much emphasis on fairness. Not that no emphasis should be included, if you're teaching people to be smart it's also important to teach them to be fair minded it's just that reality can be harsh, people can be stupid, and sometimes the fair thing to do may not be the right thing to do in the long term.

[Pnannyfiend]

Fair IS subjective.... especially as a thought, because it can only be legitimate and realistic once it's confirmed by a mutual or pre-set agreement(s). If the point is establishing a broder prespective then shouldn't the program insist in coming to a series of alternatives, consequences and reactions to different conclusions that the thinker can come up before interaction?

[CriticalThinkingOrg]

Actually, I agree with what you are saying here, although I might phrase it differently. In regards to "fairness" This model of critical thinking does encourage examining points of view, what information you have and don't have, what assumptions are being made (the pre-set agreements you refer to), what the implications/consequences of of actions are, examining the purposes of those involved etc.

Additionally, the thinker can enter any of these before, during and after interaction.

[Pnannyfiend]

Is that process really called "fairness" then? or something more along the lines of evaluating, assessement, examination and etc.

[CriticalThinkingOrg]

It definitely involves evaluation, assessment and examination. The standard of fairness implies that you are evaluating the relevant needs and view points of those involved with an issue. ( I feel) The concept of "fairness" involves evaluating viewpoints and information without neglecting or prejudicing those different from your own or overemphasizing one point of view at the expense of others. When something is "unfair", it often means a action was made without regard to that point of view.

[Pnannyfiend]

Isn't " relevant" and "logical" being used as if they had the same definition? What is the difference between "something related to the topic" and it "fit(ting) together"... I think Relevancy or Logic should be removed... and isn't being fair subjective? I do find merit in the attempt to instill morals within the tutorial but I do find it contradicting... it should remain geared towards the problem solving and pragmatic aspects of critical thinking... just my thought though.

[CriticalThinkingOrg]

Something can be logical.. but irrelevant, conversely something can be relevant, but not logical. So no they are two separate things. Fairness may or may not be subjective... but that is the point... to look at OTHER points of view in order to establish a broader picture of "What is Fair"

[CriticalThinkingOrg]

An example of something that is logical but irrelevant...

You take your car in to the shop because the brakes are making a noise. The repair shop gives you a list of things they "found" to fix in your car. It is logical for the shop to tell you these things and for you to evaluate them, but when you choose what you can afford to fix you will be using the standards of relevance and significance. You may not choose to have a coolant flushed because it is irrelevant to your immediate need.

[Pnannyfiend]

the evaluation and the decision about the coolant are 2 different situations. Thus my point: It is impossible for the evaluation or and decision to be irrelevant yet be logical (....or vice versa) within the same instance.

You may not change the coolant because it's solely irrelevant to your immidiate needs but it ASLO is NOT logical to the money, time or etc you may have available. how can it be irrelevant TO YOU, to change your coolant but be logical TO YOU at the same time?

[0pt]

@Pnannyfiend I don't see the logic behind your decision to split the example into two different situations. With that kind of thinking, it's no wonder you find it difficult to comprehend a presentation for children. The examples are as clear as day.

[00Xander00]

Where was Naive Nancy and Selfish Sam? lol, they are my favourite characters.

[danomoon]

Very clearly explained. I know many adults that need to watch this!

[yoshi3329]

I know exactly what you mean.