I believe that any tests performed using different fuels or burners should be done with a dummy Trangia (empty can) to keep the inlet porting the same. A simple pad alcohol burner is the fastest to get to heat (does not require priming) and is usually the preferred style for tea stops. For simplicity use a cotton pad (make up thingy) on an upturned can. A small pad when using an enamel cup.
It seems theres more room, open area, for flame to flow over and out&up the sides to add BTU's to the two surfaces of the kettle. Did you measure the amounts of fuel left over for each test? That may help explain what's going on.
@snappydog357 It's all in the wind, providing a directional draught with speed and relevant pressures to fuel and exhaust the fire with small losses due to turning. It's unusual for an engineer to use combustion chamber design to apprpach what must seem an irrelevance They're too busy with massive industrial boilers. I could say it works by magic. ;-)
I'm willing to bet that it's all about that "sweet spot" distance between the top of the burn to the bottom of the pot. The Trangia seems to need at least an inch. The Westwind as it's "suppose" to work only provides about 3/4 of an inch. Turning the stand up-side-down makes that distance about one and three quarters of an inch thus the faster boil time.
With your original tests you mentioned the larger military burner. I suspect this is what I saw with the four panel arrangement. The boil times were acceptable for two cups at abpout 4 minutes. Any longer would be worse than the standard hexamine cooker under ideal conditions. You could drive the small burner harder by putting some nails in the centre so they stick into the flame front. Getting messy but it could take boil time to under 4 minutes if you feel it is impoportant. ;-)
With your original tests you mentioned the larger military burner. I suspect this is what I saw with the four panel arrangement. The boil times were acceptable for two cups at abpout 4 minutes. Any longer would be worse than the standard hexamine cooker under ideal conditions. You could drive the small burner harder by putting some nails in the centre so they stick into the flame front. Getting messy but it could take boil time to under 4 minutes if you feel it is impoportant. ;-)
Now you have it the usable way up I'm wondering is there really such a big difference for boiling with the boy scout pot. I think that you should carry a kettle so that a brew can be put on at any time, but it's sti;ll nice to make the comparison.
You may find that the large gap to pot means that the initial flame is not quenched, so you can put the pot on straight away.
Also if the simmer ring can easily be used I'd like to see you go straight into breakfast after making tea/copffee.
You might like to try using a four plate stand for the military burner, or five plates for a larger pot. I've seen the four plate setup used outside but not the five plate. I think the five plate setup may be optimal when combined with a suitable heat soucrce. THE heat source may be motor fuel in a can of sand. I would not try this with a smaller arrangement than five plates.
Split pins may be helpful in lifting the kettle and reducing the feedback to the stand.
@MrSchpankme I believe the potstand helps to drive the burner by containing the flame, so that is not a real concern. There may however be an economy of fuel by using a ground plate such as a silicone mat (found in the kitchen dept.)..
I believe it is also useful with hexamine/esbit as it was used by army personnel in preference to the issued folding hexamine cooker. I'd use a small upturned spent tin for the solid fuel platform. There will be many variations on this to play with but you should be able to make two cups of tea with 1/2 oz fuel. You may need a windshield outside (the potstand is not too sensitive) but I don't know the best arrangement.
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ROYALNOIZ 3 weeks ago
I believe that any tests performed using different fuels or burners should be done with a dummy Trangia (empty can) to keep the inlet porting the same. A simple pad alcohol burner is the fastest to get to heat (does not require priming) and is usually the preferred style for tea stops. For simplicity use a cotton pad (make up thingy) on an upturned can. A small pad when using an enamel cup.
TheBeebopper 5 months ago
cool man
stonybrokebushcraf 5 months ago
Good stuff!
MrPoppabear255 5 months ago
Well that o didn't expect that is amazing not only faster boil you save fuel also great discovery.
38MarcW 5 months ago
my westwind now has a slow cook rice lipton noodle side and a boil fast side thanks TheBeebopper ! u 2 HIRAM !!!
MrFullautoak47 5 months ago
It seems theres more room, open area, for flame to flow over and out&up the sides to add BTU's to the two surfaces of the kettle. Did you measure the amounts of fuel left over for each test? That may help explain what's going on.
rainbowhiker 5 months ago
darn now i got dig mine out put this side up
RJBURG 5 months ago
;-)
hiramcook 5 months ago
Wow, how is that so much faster? Is there a physics student out there that can explain it to us less educated?
snappydog357 5 months ago
@snappydog357 It's all in the wind, providing a directional draught with speed and relevant pressures to fuel and exhaust the fire with small losses due to turning. It's unusual for an engineer to use combustion chamber design to apprpach what must seem an irrelevance They're too busy with massive industrial boilers. I could say it works by magic. ;-)
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I'm willing to bet that it's all about that "sweet spot" distance between the top of the burn to the bottom of the pot. The Trangia seems to need at least an inch. The Westwind as it's "suppose" to work only provides about 3/4 of an inch. Turning the stand up-side-down makes that distance about one and three quarters of an inch thus the faster boil time.
hiramcook 5 months ago
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With your original tests you mentioned the larger military burner. I suspect this is what I saw with the four panel arrangement. The boil times were acceptable for two cups at abpout 4 minutes. Any longer would be worse than the standard hexamine cooker under ideal conditions. You could drive the small burner harder by putting some nails in the centre so they stick into the flame front. Getting messy but it could take boil time to under 4 minutes if you feel it is impoportant. ;-)
TheBeebopper 5 months ago in playlist More videos from hiramcook
With your original tests you mentioned the larger military burner. I suspect this is what I saw with the four panel arrangement. The boil times were acceptable for two cups at abpout 4 minutes. Any longer would be worse than the standard hexamine cooker under ideal conditions. You could drive the small burner harder by putting some nails in the centre so they stick into the flame front. Getting messy but it could take boil time to under 4 minutes if you feel it is impoportant. ;-)
TheBeebopper 5 months ago in playlist More videos from hiramcook
Well that was a surprise. I'd never have believed it would make that much difference.
theslimeylimey 5 months ago
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BackBoneHiker 5 months ago
You have the best stove and stand tests on YouTube. Keep up the great work!
fishwolfSBK 5 months ago 2
Wow-learn something new every day.
Cjpmatt 5 months ago
what do you know. wow.....
pedalpusher101 5 months ago
I love all your videos. Thanks for sharing, great test.
PureIce4039 5 months ago
that amazes me for such huge results such a small adjustment
dragonflyhiker 5 months ago
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TheBeebopper 5 months ago
Now you have it the usable way up I'm wondering is there really such a big difference for boiling with the boy scout pot. I think that you should carry a kettle so that a brew can be put on at any time, but it's sti;ll nice to make the comparison.
You may find that the large gap to pot means that the initial flame is not quenched, so you can put the pot on straight away.
Also if the simmer ring can easily be used I'd like to see you go straight into breakfast after making tea/copffee.
TheBeebopper 5 months ago
Wow!
Simply incredible results.
FriarTuck1961 5 months ago
This is why I watch your videos faithfully. I very rarely come away without learning something, thanks Hiram
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MikeSr39 5 months ago
You might like to try using a four plate stand for the military burner, or five plates for a larger pot. I've seen the four plate setup used outside but not the five plate. I think the five plate setup may be optimal when combined with a suitable heat soucrce. THE heat source may be motor fuel in a can of sand. I would not try this with a smaller arrangement than five plates.
Split pins may be helpful in lifting the kettle and reducing the feedback to the stand.
TheBeebopper 5 months ago
BIG difference! I wonder if the stove touching the cold Earth will draw heat from the stove and slow cooking? Thx Max & Hiram
MrSchpankme 5 months ago
@MrSchpankme I believe the potstand helps to drive the burner by containing the flame, so that is not a real concern. There may however be an economy of fuel by using a ground plate such as a silicone mat (found in the kitchen dept.)..
TheBeebopper 5 months ago
I believe it is also useful with hexamine/esbit as it was used by army personnel in preference to the issued folding hexamine cooker. I'd use a small upturned spent tin for the solid fuel platform. There will be many variations on this to play with but you should be able to make two cups of tea with 1/2 oz fuel. You may need a windshield outside (the potstand is not too sensitive) but I don't know the best arrangement.
TheBeebopper 5 months ago in playlist More videos from hiramcook
@TheBeebopper .. Nice insight there.
MrSchpankme 5 months ago
@TheBeebopper cutting 3-4 min. time is a great improvement. Keep the comments coming Beebooper!
digitizer101 5 months ago
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ITReviewer 5 months ago
Thank's for the video, as alway's was a good one.
ITReviewer 5 months ago