Here's the deal. "The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amassment of wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars."
@gregrutz we all have opinions about creation vs evolution and i just expressed mine. love it or hate it, its my opinion. ill never get evolution at all i guess.
why is it that ppl look down on Christains? we're exactly like other ppl, we just have different beliefs. God created all things from their kinds, a dog's ancestor was a dog, a monkey's ancestor was a monkey. a human's ancestor was a human. how could ppl believe we come from apes? its completely STUPID! sure they "look like us" but that's the way God created them. you don't have to like what I say, but ppl should give God and the Bible a chance!
Oh, and you're also too ignorant to realize that the ability to reproduce is NOT an on/off situation. Different populations of the same species have been observed to have different levels of reproductive success with each other, depending on how many differences have accumulated in the genome.
The ignorance of this jackass is amazing. To point at scientific evidence and assert proudly that its false with what amounts to arguments based on verbal persuasion is nothing short of laughable. This is not how science is conducted, this is not how intelligent discourse is conducted. This is entertainment, and barely even that.
this is ridiculous....show me concrete proof of gods existence......nobody can...so quit your nit-picking... at least i don't believe in gods.....that would be the same as believing in aliens....like the scientologists!!
So if evolution is a lie, and the Scientists know it's a lie, what are they gaining by all of this. Creationist think that they are at war with Scientists. A classic example of how some religions start violence and war. I wonder what happened to them in their past to make them have such radical and non intelligent views. Again what do scientists have to gain by telling lies about science. Please answer that question. This makes me beyond furious, with the children involved.
I should add, scientists do not BELIEVE in evolution. We ACCEPT it because of the enormous pile of data supporting it. Just like we accept that gravity follows an inverse square law, matter is composed of atoms, germs cause disease, and moving electrons constitute electricity. Scientific theories are not a faith. You can test them yourself and falsify them. Do you have faith your computer runs on electrons or do you accept it? Think about it.
@dvs1572 I do think about gravity can be proved by watching it in action. All science EXCEPT evolution can be proven by watching it in action. EVOLUTION can't be observed and what is called observation in Micro is the equivlent of us forming a callus on our fingers. Would you call a callus on your finger evolution? Your supernatural belief in evolution is astounding to me.
@dvs1572 To say they don't believe in it is nonsense double talk too typical of evolutionist. If they didn't believe in it why would they use it? You either believe or you don't. Wheres the third way in that? It reminds me of trying to pin an evolutionist down on time periods of evolution processes or if its totally random or not. Its so full of holes I'm surprized any scientist worth his/her salt would accept it regardless of creation theorist. Guess money grants talk though.
roflmao! Macro Evolution FAILS the basics of the scientific method since the ignorant theory cannot be duplicate of predicted. Macro Evolution is based on FAITH that somehow "time" will enable a species to do something that cannot be duplicated or predicted now.
Macro Evolution is a FAITH BASED BELIEF not based on the scientific method.
@parasitesarefunny I know what the words mean. They make a non-existant difference in the same process. Perhaps you could tell me the exact mechanism that allows one and prevents the other ? I mean an answer framed as biological science and not goddidit thanks.
Just like falling is a fact and gravity is a theory that describes why you fall, organisms evolving and speciating are facts and the theory of evolution explains why. If you are willing to deny evolution, why not gravity, germs, atoms, electricity, etc. They are all theories too.
Funny thing is, evolution, both micro and macro, have been directly observed. So to deny evolution is to deny a direct observation. It's the equivalent of denying the sky is blue yet refusing to look up.
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Lying to yourself is the worst kind of lie! And besides you shouldn't lie period, your breaking one of Gods commandments! The only evolution EVER observed is variations in a 'Kind', and evolution doesn't even come close to explaining where 'anything' came from in the first place! Gravity can be observed, so can germs, atoms, electricity, and God if you learn how to use your spirit! Denying God is the same as Denying your own existence!
OK, I see I need to be specific. Define 'kind' as relating to living organisms. What constitutes a 'kind' of animal. Where is the boundary creationists made up and keep whining about between the so called 'micro' and 'macro' evolution that they insist cannot be crossed (without a shred of evidence.
The definition of 'species' is 'two organisms of a population can mate and produce viable offspring' Can creationists give a similar definition for 'kind'? Note that new species HAVE been produced.
The Bible says in Genesis chapter 1 that each animal will bring forth after their Kind. Get that? They will BRING FORTH after their kind. so its quite simple: if two different animal species can "BRING FORTH" new offspring like a coyote and a wolf could then they are the same basic kind. A cat and a coyote are not the same kind and we can tell that because you cannot crossbreed a cat with a coyote. "Kind" is specifically defined in terms of whether or not they can bring forth offspring together.
So "kind" means species. Then we HAVE observed macro-evolution as we have observed the evolution of new species--organisms that CANNOT reproduce with their parent species. You can easily find examples by googling "observed instances of speciation"
You would have had to have been there in the beginning to know how each kind originated, we have the variations within each kind today, but is pretty obvious, even to a child, which animals belong to which kind. We have horse kind, dog kind, fish kind, fruit kind, vegetable kind, human kind, monkey kind, cat kind. You cannot breed any of these kinds together. now please Define 'intelligence'
"You would have had to have been there in the beginning to know how each kind originated"
No, I wouldn't. We can easily see the pattern in the fossil record, the genetic homology, physiologic homology, geographic distribution, etc. By creationist stupidity, we can't ever convict anyone of a crime if there wasn't an eye witness.
I love how you classify humans and apes as different "kinds" even though we are as closely related to chimps as wolves are to coyotes.
And evolution doesn't say we can. Creationist idiots have this ridiculous and false idea of evolution; that one modern species arose from another modern one. REAL evolution is that the modern, non-interbreeding species had a common ancestor and its just as obvious of the different species (or kinds) as the other different level of groupings. The animal kind, the plant kind. The mammal kind, the bird kind.
And just as similarity between different wolf "kinds" proves they are closely related, so does the similarity between different mammal "kinds"
Evolution works, not by interbreeding different species, but rather by taking one species and separating it into different environments. The different environments select different genes. As genetic differences accumulate, the different populations of the "kind" lose their ability to interbreed. As more time passes, more and more differences accumulate.
So, in response to my taking time to educate you about the REAL nature of evolution, you just insult my intelligence.
Oh, and you DO have a tail. Its about three inches long and buried in the pelvic girdle. Some babies are even still born with tails (another evolutionary holdover). They are surgically removed shortly after birth. When Christianity ruled Europe, such babies were executed as they were believed to be proof the mother was in league with Satan.
They didn't "lose" them. The chromosomes fused into one resulting in what we know as human chromosome #2. This has been known by biologists for several years now. Don't open your mouth on a subject you know nothing about. You only make yourself look ignorant.
Um, then WHY did you try to argue the chromosomes were LOST?
Exactly how it did happen may never be solved. But human chromosome 2 has all the markers of a chromosome fusion, including two centromeres (one being non-functional) and a telomere region in the middle (telomeres are usually only found on the ends of chromosomes to overcome DNA loss on the ends from the replication process)
Well chromosomes are a terrible argument for Evolution. Chimps have 48 chromosomes and so does tobacco, does that mean that some of us could have come from tobacco. amoebas have 50 chromosomes (we only have 46) and supposedly we came from amoebas but they have more chromosomes than us so thats not possible. Ferns have 480 chromosomes, does that mean one day everything will turn into a Fern lol no. I wouldn't use that argument anymore until you learn a little more about it :)
Yes, but tobacco chromosomes are not HOMOLOGOUS with human chromosomes.
Ferns: no one is saying "more chromosomes = higher evolved". That is yet another strawman from lying creationists.
Its not just the similarities. Its not just the differences. Its the PATTERN that emerges when you look at all the data. Genetic similarities are completely consistent with the predictions of evolution.
I have a BA in biology. You are the one who is ignorant. You don't learn biology from google.
@DarthServo Hey man, I'm looking through all my old youtube comments and I've pinpointed one of the moments I really started doubting creationism and christianity...just want to say thanks for the education on this particular point. Having been indoctrinated heavily and only hearing a single viewpoint it's not hard to see why I was so ignorant about what evolution really was...but I remember this one stuck with me, why would God create a genome with all the markers of chromosome fusion?
Evolution is a scientific THEORY. Theories are supported by MILLIONS of independently verifiable FACTS. To deny evolution is to deny all of those facts and the hundreds of scientific techniques used to observe them. Worse yet, to deny evolution is to deny reason and logic, the core of the scientific method. Creationists are willing to deny all of this for evolution, yet have no problem exploiting the fruits of science for their own benefit, i.e. cars, computers, modern medicine.
banjoe. Yeah, but think of his audience, the fuckturds who are stupid enough to even think there can be any truth in creationism/ID.. They're not exactly geniuses, are they? He needs to keep his lies simple for the turds to not lose track of what he's saying completely.. Don't you think? :)
"Evolutionists believe that you and the tree have the same great, great, great grandparents"...Is this guy fucking retarded? He certainly sounds like it. He's exagerating everything sooo much. Evolution has much more evidence to prove its theory then the Genesis you piece of shit. Besides why can't evolution be the answer to how, and not why. Just because we evolved from bacteria doesnt mean that there couldn't be a spiritual side to initial creation. This person is a religious fanatic.
not great great great grand parent more like great to the billionth power grand parent. of course that is tooooo big for you people so we must have been poofed here by magic by the man in the clouds that makes much more sense. And i dont think you are open mind. and i know a book filled with facts, wait no, its filled with myths and storys ment to teach morals and not to teach facts, that is the bible. its has morals not facts.
Ha thats the funniest thing i've seen in a while he's argue is stupid evolutionists dont say that people Descended from trees they say we descended from Homo heidelbergensis
Some have tried to ridicule the Bible to say that it teaches that the earth is square. The Scripture makes it quite clear that the earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22).
Some have tried to say there are four knobs, or peaks on a round earth. Regardless of the various ways kanaph is translated, it makes reference to EXTREMITIES.
Plenty more where that came from, bozo. Debating me on the Bible? You'll lose lol.
Well it's odd you think so because the Bible doesn't support oppression of women nor slavery. Your view is easily disproven, as easy as I disproved the other guy's claim earlier. I'm not going to waste my time giving you all the answers. Stop being lazy and do it for yourself.
If you read the fucking thing for almost 11 years of your life then you would know of all the fucked up shit in the bible.
Converting to an atheist was one of the greatest thing I have ever done. I was a Christian evangelist since I was about 16 before I went to this seminar on what I thought was complete bullshit but then realized what the church I went to had me doing and who they were shaping me to become.
Now I am married to my long time girlfriend and am a proud father.
Well then according to the bible, the Earth is a circle, which is a flat contrary to a sphere. I agree that the earth isn't described in the bible, but it is by no means described as a sphere.
How do you ever get a circle with 4 corners to be a sphere? A circle has zero corners and a sphere has zero corners. Poetically that indicates nothing more than nonsense.
You're geometric knowledge sucks.
I have no problem with the Bible, it contains some beautiful stories which we all can learn from. But if you insist on reading it literally instead of philosophically and metaphorically, you are an ignorant idiot. It's written by humans, it's okay if it's wrong once in a while, live with it.
Learn about literature, especially poetry, one of the most ancient of Arts. Hey wait that is my specialization, so who really has the authority? It isn't you. Go to College; if you don't know of one I will help you find one.
By the way this is the reason I work instead of bitching on a computer all the time: and allowing people as yourself to stress me out. I hope you have a wonderfully non-intellectual - that is what you have choose - such is not a life for me.
Well, my respond to that would be: Learn about mathematics, especially geometry, if you can't find a textbook I'll mail you one. A sphere is never, ever described as a circle with four corners. It is utter nonsense.
I'm heading to college, I just have to finish high school first, thank you very much :)
What college did you attend to by the way? The Discover Institute? Even your name shows that you are completely biased on this matter.
I might not be intellectual, but at least I'm intelligent.
What do you think I have to study to graduate into a University level? Learn about literature. Again you used a Non Sequitur and indirect ad hominem attack. Again learn about poetry and literature. In the original language of Isaiah especially Paleo-Hebrew they have Hebrew puns that create a poetic flow. Also look at history where the Bible and its poetic flow was used to discover simple things such as the earth was round. Remember Columbus was Catholic so he had access to at least a translation
Even if you want to argue that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat, they certainly didn't discover it. There are suggestions that the Egyptians knew about the size and shape of the earth, 2550 BC. And again Pythagoras, born in 532 BC defended a spherical theory. So even if the bible suggested the earth to be round, it wouldn't special used by Isiah.
And you are to talk about going after the man instead of the ball? You went directly to attacking me, calling me an undereducated lowlife.
Ah the choice of the mature, educated person. Stop debating the matter at hand and call the other person stupid. Oh wait, that's the choice of a 4-year old.
And well. what I called you appears to be true as well. You claim your right and refuse to listen to any reason whatsoever. And I was right, you are arrogant and holier than thou. From your first post you were debating and insulting equally.
Guess I can live with being uneducated as long as I'm suffering from head-in-rectum disease like you.
It is translated "borders" in Numbers 15:38. In Ezekiel 7:2 it is translated "four corners" and again in Isaiah 11:12 "four corners." Job 37:3 and 38:13 as "ends."
The Greek equivalent in Revelation 7:1 is gonia. The Greek meaning is perhaps more closely related to our modern divisions known as quadrants. Gonia literally means angles, or divisions. It is customary to divide a map into quadrants as shown by the four directions.
If God does not exist, then the universe came from non-existence into existence from nothing, including Time, Space and Matter.
The universe cannot be eternal (which I can prove unequivocally). Which means it had a beginning. Time was created along with all otehr matter in the universe.
That "evidence" for evolution provides a very weak case which has already been disproven. I've seen it for myself. I don't bother debating on evolution anyway. Debating evolution is a trivial matter anyway. Watch the video already if you believe so strongly in evolution.
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It's great that you so freely give your opinion on God's existence, but I would much rather put my trust in logic. You don't.
VenomfangX doesn't have the slightest understanding of what he is talking about, creatures have no defined "gain" or "loss" traits from evolution. An amoeba has 100 times as many genetic sequences a human.
If all of them were required for this universe to exist, and there was no God and this universe was inherently randomly generated, then you could say that the mathematical probability of one of them not existing is extremely high. The fact that they are all present is undeniable evidence for a designer. Go ahead and disagree if you want, but there's no doubt you'll be in denial if you do.
If someone wants to disagree and say that the universe is eternal, it can be disproven very easily. But the point is that, If not even time existed forever, other physics could not have existed either. There is no law in science that says the laws of physics had to exist in the manner that they exist. Out of all of the many universal physics, take away one, and the universe cannot exist. Every single one of them HAD to exist in order for this universe to operate. Are you going to deny that?
Sure you can close your eyes and say "there's no design features" even when there's millions of them.
One thing you can't argue with is this:
The current physics of this universe exist indefinitely under current human scientific knowledge. Some may be slightly deviated. But it can never ever be proven that these physics were predetermined before the universe's creation. Including time. The Universe is not eternal, that's easily provable...
I see every single one of you retard Athiests couldn't refute a single thing I stated and did nothing except give me the typical Athiest swearing treatment and offensive statements... and "no it's not, you're wrong!". Weak.
It's really no use talking to any of you because you won't even give it an ounce of thought in the first place no matter the evidence. None of you have ever even just looked around and noticed the designed features in the universe.
What have you said that can't be refuted? Hate to break it to you, but we have the fossils, the quantum mechanics, abiogenesis, and the genetic record, we win. Nietzsche, microscopes and telescopes killed god in the 1800s. Enjoy your myths, just don't let them obstruct the lives of reasonable people.
Are you retarded? You just listed things in no direct order for absolutely no purpose that prove absolutely nothing. Seriously, think before you post.
Thanks for insulting me, if you knew what any of the things I listed were you wouldn't feel so threatened. Abiogenesis/Fossil Record/Genetic Record all tie into how life exists today, they have been tested for decades now and have observed repeated successful results. Quantum Mechanics is how we believe the structure of the Universe works. If you don't know who Nietzsche is I feel sorry for you. I mentioned telescopes/microscopes they show there was more to our existence than any holy text says.
rofl, 'threatened'? You really shouldn't make false assumptions about people. The reason I said that your list proved nothing is that it doesn't.. prove anything. Abiogenesis/fossil records/genetic records don't prove evolution whatsoever, nor do any tests they have conducted. Quantum mechanics? Read my other posts. You failed when you mentioned holy text. The Bible does not contradict science in any way whatsoever. That was your misunderstanding.
Best statement ever "The Bible does not contradict science in any way whatsoever." According the bible the earth is flat, we came from two people, the earth is 6000 years old, the sun revolves around the earth, the earth flooded 40 days (thats more three feet of water a minute, not physically possible), it goes on and on. No, those things don't "prove" evolution, they support it, and make a very strong case. You have a middle schoolers understanding of science. God is dead, get over it.
Umm.. The Bible says the earth is flat???! ROFL Go ahead and list the verse if you know what you're talking about so I can prove you wrong, because I know it already. It does NOT say the sun revolves around the earth either. That's your warped deliberate misinterpretation. The Bible does NOT say the earth is 6000 years old either.. you were fooled. I'd like for you to put forward your evidence for that claim of 6000 years rofl. At least get your facts straight.
1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."
"The sun rises and the sun sets; And hastening to its place it rises there again." (Eccles. 1:5, NASB) I know more about your myth book then you do.
Once again you have no brain. Did you read my other post?
"Go ahead and list the verse... ...because I know it already."
"the four corners of the earth." The word translated "corners," as in the phrase above, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity.
Well then you can also argue whether Mary was a virgin or not. The Hebrew word for "virgin" is also translatable to "young woman".
The Bible is a great book, but it is not supposed to be read literally. In many cases it's more likely to be read metaphorically. Why some Christians insist on every word in the Bible to be literally true is beyond me, and it is completely ignorant as well.
Such crap, this guy is clearly an idiot. And taking advantage of the public who dont even understand, such dangerous propaganda to be spreading saying evolution is a lie.
Right..... I love how intelligent conversation can arrive at this gem of a chucklehead, lolscum. I definitely do not disagree with evolution, but people like him are very one-sided. There is no openness to knowledgeable discussion about God,science, religion, evolution, life, etc.
"The two are mutually exclusive. You have a literal reading of the bible vs. reality, guess what wins?"
That's an incorrect statement. Because the Bible fits with reality perfectly. What you should be concentrating on is "Evolution vs Reality".
Because the reality is that we see design features on every single thing in the universe whether you like it or not... Design IS REALITY. And where there is Design, there is a Designer.
"Because the reality is that we see design features on every single thing in the universe whether you like it or not... Design IS REALITY. And where there is Design, there is a Designer."
"we see design features on every single thing in the universe whether you like it or not... Design IS REALITY. And where there is Design, there is a Designer."
Do yourself a favor and read "The Blind Watchmaker".
Life is NOT designed by an intelligence. At least not one that leaves a single clue as to how, who and when. Life looks exactly the way it would had it evolved by natural selection over billions of years. But of course the designer designed it to look evolved didn't it? Hmmm...
...well, yeah. And? Technically speaking, it's not possible to attain absolute truth until the end of time. We can only continue experiments and observations to gain a reliable prediction (theory) that over time becomes closer and closer to certainty. This is how science works. The mined quote "science is the search for truth" is really just figurative...only creationists cannot realize this.
science isn't really the searching for the truth, its more of following the facts to the end result. you can hypothesize anything you want, but in the end you must follow the facts, rather than lead them to your own goal.
1. Retroviruses in our DNA and chimp DNA prove we share a common ancestor
2. Our second chromosome is two ape chromosomes fused together
3. Njpalko314 has videos to explain abiogenesis
4. The Half-life of U-238 is 4.5 billion years and of the Uranium ore dug out the ground just over half of the Uranium has decayed into Thorium, Lead, Polonium, Radon, etc. This indicates an old Earth.
Evolutionists discovered humans and fish have a common ancestor, oh how ridiculous! I can't comprehend it so it must be wrong! and thats a fact.
Everyone knows in their hearts that we were created by a loving God who will burn all the evolutionists alive when they die to show his love for them. Ps please believe in jesus or you'll be sorry!
"The two are mutually exclusive. You have a literal reading of the bible vs. reality, guess what wins?"
That's an incorrect statement. Because the Bible fits with reality perfectly. What you should be concentrating on is "Evolution vs Reality".
Because the reality is that we see design features on every single thing in the universe whether you like it or not... Design IS REALITY. And where there is Design, there is a Designer.
You only say that because you've only spent your time looking for proof of that God. I'm sure I can find circumstantial evidence for the Buddha, Brahma, or even Rah (tons of archaeological proof of that one). So, humble thyself before the FSM :P
I humble myself before Yahweh. He's real th FSM is made up and has NO arheological proof. As for the others, they are idols created by man that demons like to toy with.
Man, your ignorance is really showing now. Your constricted world view has you disrespecting those who's views are different from your own. Did you know, though, that all religions think they're the right ones? So your word really means nothing.
Um, I'm not ignorant. I know that everyone has different views. I can have a view that buses dont' exist that it's made up, if I get hit by one, then my theory is wrong. Check it out, more proof of the bible than FSM. My word means alot if there's proof. All religions can think they are right, but THE TRUTH will be shown. It's pure and simple, people are blind make stuff up only when light of Truth let's them know that all ways are not right.
The "Truth" in religious contexts is subjective. You want to blind yourself to science, by all means do so. But there is no need to denigrate other people. I reiterate, once more, there is just as much evidence for Christianity as there is for Buddhism, Hinduism, or Islamic Sufism.
I know science. I love science, but it can't answer "when dogs die do they have a life"? If there is just as much evidence, then link me. God took down Baals, he can take down more.
Apparently my subtle skepticism was lost on you: there is no evidence for Jesus, Buddha, Shiva, save for circumstantial evidence that has to do with geography, and the fact that these figures have modern day followers. Provide me irrefutable evidence for Jesus, and I'll look for evidence of these other versions of God.
I debated Dr Jackson online and he made up information supposedly contained in National Geographic articles. My debate with him is posted on my page; myspace dot com / roiscience. He sounds less intellectual when someone is there to call him on his unsupported claims.
Ok, Dr J couldn't get to intellectual, because he is talking to Middle Scholars. I agree with mikimoco2, he is very smart (In Menssa for that matter) He is literally called a genus! What rank are you in Messa kubush, lawilson? I'm sorry to say that insults, don't say much about your character.
I have seen Dr. Jackson take a more studious stance in presenting this information. He is nothing short of brilliant in both his delivery and academic understanding. He is one of the best scientists around. He is obviously trying to meet a specific present audience in this video and not an intellectual audience. It does not take an educated person to wrongly criticise him. Dr Jackson has ben tested with a very high IQ and has obtained his PhD. Have you also? I wonder.
This guy didnt refute any of the science behind comparative anatomy, he simply said that some things are different and some things are not, and so god made them. Pfff.
I prefer insults, because this guy did not say anything that is beneficial or useful by any stretch of the imaagination. Simply put SSDD. YECers had not presented any new insight for a long time and what is there, was debunked for an equally longtime.
As you perhaps noticed, I am no fan of YECism. You may have a point the enteries are below my normal stanards of refutation and debate. However in defense, one does get tired of constantly repeating yourself over and over again to usually the same piece of nonsense.
Kent Hovind goes to prison, so we are now stuck with this moron! I wonder when we can sick the IRS on this guy? I understand Hovind needs a cell mate.
Here's the deal. "The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amassment of wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars."
TheThunderduck 3 months ago
@gregrutz we all have opinions about creation vs evolution and i just expressed mine. love it or hate it, its my opinion. ill never get evolution at all i guess.
allissajoanne4 1 year ago
Gawn dun it that way ! Great argument .
gregrutz 1 year ago
This guy is a complete moron.
Angoose 1 year ago
why is it that ppl look down on Christains? we're exactly like other ppl, we just have different beliefs. God created all things from their kinds, a dog's ancestor was a dog, a monkey's ancestor was a monkey. a human's ancestor was a human. how could ppl believe we come from apes? its completely STUPID! sure they "look like us" but that's the way God created them. you don't have to like what I say, but ppl should give God and the Bible a chance!
allissajoanne4 2 years ago
@allissajoanne4 Because crhistians proclaim, ''thy shalt not lie''
but because they don't understand science, they lie about it.
Same KIND YES>
Apes make apes.
That is why we are still apes.
and all apes are still primates
and all primates are still mammals
and all mammals are still tetrapods, Do you have 4 limbs?
gregrutz 1 year ago
Oh, and you're also too ignorant to realize that the ability to reproduce is NOT an on/off situation. Different populations of the same species have been observed to have different levels of reproductive success with each other, depending on how many differences have accumulated in the genome.
DarthServo 2 years ago
Love how these dipshits ALWAYS show themselves preaching to the choir rather than engaging in dueling articles with real scientists.
Oh yeah, that's because a real scientist would shred them effortlessly.
DarthServo 2 years ago 2
The ignorance of this jackass is amazing. To point at scientific evidence and assert proudly that its false with what amounts to arguments based on verbal persuasion is nothing short of laughable. This is not how science is conducted, this is not how intelligent discourse is conducted. This is entertainment, and barely even that.
FlightIsLife 2 years ago 2
this is ridiculous....show me concrete proof of gods existence......nobody can...so quit your nit-picking... at least i don't believe in gods.....that would be the same as believing in aliens....like the scientologists!!
alienincognito 2 years ago
im so glad that i was not brainwashed as a child and my mind is free, this is both funny and disturbing.
menfearthought 3 years ago 2
So if evolution is a lie, and the Scientists know it's a lie, what are they gaining by all of this. Creationist think that they are at war with Scientists. A classic example of how some religions start violence and war. I wonder what happened to them in their past to make them have such radical and non intelligent views. Again what do scientists have to gain by telling lies about science. Please answer that question. This makes me beyond furious, with the children involved.
dvs1572 3 years ago 2
It's Obviously satan deceiving people so that they will disobey God more easily!
God Rules Science!! ha ha Evolve some brains Evolutionists!
Sophrosyne22 3 years ago
I should add, scientists do not BELIEVE in evolution. We ACCEPT it because of the enormous pile of data supporting it. Just like we accept that gravity follows an inverse square law, matter is composed of atoms, germs cause disease, and moving electrons constitute electricity. Scientific theories are not a faith. You can test them yourself and falsify them. Do you have faith your computer runs on electrons or do you accept it? Think about it.
dvs1572 3 years ago 6
@dvs1572 So why do so many scientist not accept it? (Ones that are not Creationist.)
Smackingbuffalo 7 months ago in playlist Biblical Creationism
@dvs1572 I do think about gravity can be proved by watching it in action. All science EXCEPT evolution can be proven by watching it in action. EVOLUTION can't be observed and what is called observation in Micro is the equivlent of us forming a callus on our fingers. Would you call a callus on your finger evolution? Your supernatural belief in evolution is astounding to me.
DionAFields 3 months ago
@dvs1572 To say they don't believe in it is nonsense double talk too typical of evolutionist. If they didn't believe in it why would they use it? You either believe or you don't. Wheres the third way in that? It reminds me of trying to pin an evolutionist down on time periods of evolution processes or if its totally random or not. Its so full of holes I'm surprized any scientist worth his/her salt would accept it regardless of creation theorist. Guess money grants talk though.
DionAFields 3 months ago
@dvs1572
roflmao! Macro Evolution FAILS the basics of the scientific method since the ignorant theory cannot be duplicate of predicted. Macro Evolution is based on FAITH that somehow "time" will enable a species to do something that cannot be duplicated or predicted now.
Macro Evolution is a FAITH BASED BELIEF not based on the scientific method.
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
@parasitesarefunny evolutionery biologist would disagree. Evolution of new traits is done in the lab all the time.
SqueakerAlpha 2 months ago
@SqueakerAlpha
Of course they would disagree, their paycheck & ego is at risk. MICRO evolution is not MACRO Evolution. Please learn what words mean.
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
@parasitesarefunny I know what the words mean. They make a non-existant difference in the same process. Perhaps you could tell me the exact mechanism that allows one and prevents the other ? I mean an answer framed as biological science and not goddidit thanks.
SqueakerAlpha 2 months ago
Just like falling is a fact and gravity is a theory that describes why you fall, organisms evolving and speciating are facts and the theory of evolution explains why. If you are willing to deny evolution, why not gravity, germs, atoms, electricity, etc. They are all theories too.
Funny thing is, evolution, both micro and macro, have been directly observed. So to deny evolution is to deny a direct observation. It's the equivalent of denying the sky is blue yet refusing to look up.
dvs1572 3 years ago 3
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Lying to yourself is the worst kind of lie! And besides you shouldn't lie period, your breaking one of Gods commandments! The only evolution EVER observed is variations in a 'Kind', and evolution doesn't even come close to explaining where 'anything' came from in the first place! Gravity can be observed, so can germs, atoms, electricity, and God if you learn how to use your spirit! Denying God is the same as Denying your own existence!
Sophrosyne22 3 years ago
Define 'kind'
DarthServo 2 years ago
kind 2 (knd) n.
1. A group of individuals linked by traits held in common.
2. A particular variety; a sort: What kind of soap do you like best?
3. Fundamental, underlying character as a determinant of the class to which a thing belongs; nature or essence.
Define 'The'
Sophrosyne22 2 years ago
OK, I see I need to be specific. Define 'kind' as relating to living organisms. What constitutes a 'kind' of animal. Where is the boundary creationists made up and keep whining about between the so called 'micro' and 'macro' evolution that they insist cannot be crossed (without a shred of evidence.
The definition of 'species' is 'two organisms of a population can mate and produce viable offspring' Can creationists give a similar definition for 'kind'? Note that new species HAVE been produced.
DarthServo 2 years ago
The Bible says in Genesis chapter 1 that each animal will bring forth after their Kind. Get that? They will BRING FORTH after their kind. so its quite simple: if two different animal species can "BRING FORTH" new offspring like a coyote and a wolf could then they are the same basic kind. A cat and a coyote are not the same kind and we can tell that because you cannot crossbreed a cat with a coyote. "Kind" is specifically defined in terms of whether or not they can bring forth offspring together.
Sophrosyne22 2 years ago
So "kind" means species. Then we HAVE observed macro-evolution as we have observed the evolution of new species--organisms that CANNOT reproduce with their parent species. You can easily find examples by googling "observed instances of speciation"
DarthServo 2 years ago
You would have had to have been there in the beginning to know how each kind originated, we have the variations within each kind today, but is pretty obvious, even to a child, which animals belong to which kind. We have horse kind, dog kind, fish kind, fruit kind, vegetable kind, human kind, monkey kind, cat kind. You cannot breed any of these kinds together. now please Define 'intelligence'
Sophrosyne22 2 years ago
"You would have had to have been there in the beginning to know how each kind originated"
No, I wouldn't. We can easily see the pattern in the fossil record, the genetic homology, physiologic homology, geographic distribution, etc. By creationist stupidity, we can't ever convict anyone of a crime if there wasn't an eye witness.
I love how you classify humans and apes as different "kinds" even though we are as closely related to chimps as wolves are to coyotes.
DarthServo 2 years ago
"You cannot breed any of these kinds together.
And evolution doesn't say we can. Creationist idiots have this ridiculous and false idea of evolution; that one modern species arose from another modern one. REAL evolution is that the modern, non-interbreeding species had a common ancestor and its just as obvious of the different species (or kinds) as the other different level of groupings. The animal kind, the plant kind. The mammal kind, the bird kind.
DarthServo 2 years ago
And just as similarity between different wolf "kinds" proves they are closely related, so does the similarity between different mammal "kinds"
Evolution works, not by interbreeding different species, but rather by taking one species and separating it into different environments. The different environments select different genes. As genetic differences accumulate, the different populations of the "kind" lose their ability to interbreed. As more time passes, more and more differences accumulate.
DarthServo 2 years ago
"Define 'intelligence'"
Learning ability. The ability to figure things out, solve problems, ect.
DarthServo 2 years ago
A monkey might be one of your relatives, judging by your lack of intelligence, but they are not mine. I don't have a 2 foot tail!
Sophrosyne22 2 years ago
So, in response to my taking time to educate you about the REAL nature of evolution, you just insult my intelligence.
Oh, and you DO have a tail. Its about three inches long and buried in the pelvic girdle. Some babies are even still born with tails (another evolutionary holdover). They are surgically removed shortly after birth. When Christianity ruled Europe, such babies were executed as they were believed to be proof the mother was in league with Satan.
DarthServo 2 years ago
chimps have 2 more chromosomes than humans. describe to me how chimps lost 2 chromosomes without falling over and dying
ukatam 2 years ago
They didn't "lose" them. The chromosomes fused into one resulting in what we know as human chromosome #2. This has been known by biologists for several years now. Don't open your mouth on a subject you know nothing about. You only make yourself look ignorant.
DarthServo 2 years ago
Yeah I've heard that happened, I just wonder how?
ukatam 2 years ago
Um, then WHY did you try to argue the chromosomes were LOST?
Exactly how it did happen may never be solved. But human chromosome 2 has all the markers of a chromosome fusion, including two centromeres (one being non-functional) and a telomere region in the middle (telomeres are usually only found on the ends of chromosomes to overcome DNA loss on the ends from the replication process)
DarthServo 2 years ago
Because I dont believe evolution could fuse a pair of chromosomes to another.
ukatam 2 years ago
Why not? Personal incredulity does not constitute a valid argument.
DarthServo 2 years ago
Well chromosomes are a terrible argument for Evolution. Chimps have 48 chromosomes and so does tobacco, does that mean that some of us could have come from tobacco. amoebas have 50 chromosomes (we only have 46) and supposedly we came from amoebas but they have more chromosomes than us so thats not possible. Ferns have 480 chromosomes, does that mean one day everything will turn into a Fern lol no. I wouldn't use that argument anymore until you learn a little more about it :)
tbarker77 2 years ago
Yes, but tobacco chromosomes are not HOMOLOGOUS with human chromosomes.
Ferns: no one is saying "more chromosomes = higher evolved". That is yet another strawman from lying creationists.
Its not just the similarities. Its not just the differences. Its the PATTERN that emerges when you look at all the data. Genetic similarities are completely consistent with the predictions of evolution.
I have a BA in biology. You are the one who is ignorant. You don't learn biology from google.
DarthServo 2 years ago 3
@tbarker77 Wrong, humans have a chromosome fused together, that is why we have the one less than Chimps.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@DarthServo Hey man, I'm looking through all my old youtube comments and I've pinpointed one of the moments I really started doubting creationism and christianity...just want to say thanks for the education on this particular point. Having been indoctrinated heavily and only hearing a single viewpoint it's not hard to see why I was so ignorant about what evolution really was...but I remember this one stuck with me, why would God create a genome with all the markers of chromosome fusion?
ukatam 1 week ago
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Evolution is a scientific THEORY. Theories are supported by MILLIONS of independently verifiable FACTS. To deny evolution is to deny all of those facts and the hundreds of scientific techniques used to observe them. Worse yet, to deny evolution is to deny reason and logic, the core of the scientific method. Creationists are willing to deny all of this for evolution, yet have no problem exploiting the fruits of science for their own benefit, i.e. cars, computers, modern medicine.
dvs1572 3 years ago 3
banjoe. Yeah, but think of his audience, the fuckturds who are stupid enough to even think there can be any truth in creationism/ID.. They're not exactly geniuses, are they? He needs to keep his lies simple for the turds to not lose track of what he's saying completely.. Don't you think? :)
winterstellar 3 years ago
"Evolutionists believe that you and the tree have the same great, great, great grandparents"...Is this guy fucking retarded? He certainly sounds like it. He's exagerating everything sooo much. Evolution has much more evidence to prove its theory then the Genesis you piece of shit. Besides why can't evolution be the answer to how, and not why. Just because we evolved from bacteria doesnt mean that there couldn't be a spiritual side to initial creation. This person is a religious fanatic.
banjoe900 3 years ago
actually, the real evolution theory has nothing ot do with spirituality
patrickdrennan 3 years ago
I know, I didn't say it did...I said that there could be a spiritual side to initial creation.
How we were created?...Science can make a pretty good guess on that e.g. theories on the Big Bang and Evolution.
Why we were created?...No one knows haha.
This guy is talking a load of shit but.
banjoe900 3 years ago
there doesnt need to be the question why, it just IS, ya know?
there wasnt any reason, it was just nature finding its way
patrickdrennan 3 years ago
Typical God believer,"no they have not proved that yet, so it must be god" and they wondor why atheists think they are idiots.
seanxraver 3 years ago
If your going to give me a thumbs down at least try (cus i kno u cant) and prove me wrong.
seanxraver 3 years ago
not great great great grand parent more like great to the billionth power grand parent. of course that is tooooo big for you people so we must have been poofed here by magic by the man in the clouds that makes much more sense. And i dont think you are open mind. and i know a book filled with facts, wait no, its filled with myths and storys ment to teach morals and not to teach facts, that is the bible. its has morals not facts.
killerslick 3 years ago
Barely has morals
Frizzail420 3 years ago
this guy died before 1980.....
MikeFForever 3 years ago
Ha thats the funniest thing i've seen in a while he's argue is stupid evolutionists dont say that people Descended from trees they say we descended from Homo heidelbergensis
mrbertxeno 3 years ago
Exactly..there is NO ONE that says humans evolved from trees....except people that enjoy bashing evolution...yeesh
MikeFForever 3 years ago
This guy is awesome! finally the lies are brought to light!!!!!!!
skihas1 3 years ago
If you think evolution is a lie then you either don't know the facts or your fucking stupid.
bluecode320 3 years ago
Wow, i cant find words for how stupid this is.
DudorSP 3 years ago 2
This guy clearly has no idea of what he's talkin about.
DudorSP 3 years ago 6
@DudorSP
i know
wht a douche
ThatDamnMegaWorm 1 year ago
Glad to see the void in retardation and deliberate misinformation that kent hovind left when he got arrested has been filled.
ReadBetweenTehLines 3 years ago 2
I want to see this guy's credentials
I would ask for some citation but he dosn't have any facts, just subjective opinions.
poop4charity 3 years ago 2
this is funny
Eequality72521 3 years ago 2
He is an intellectually unarmed army of one. He has absolutely nothing scientific to say. All he does is set up strawmen.
dlhitch2007 3 years ago 4
this man is a flaming homosexual
canucks16 3 years ago
Some have tried to ridicule the Bible to say that it teaches that the earth is square. The Scripture makes it quite clear that the earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22).
Some have tried to say there are four knobs, or peaks on a round earth. Regardless of the various ways kanaph is translated, it makes reference to EXTREMITIES.
Plenty more where that came from, bozo. Debating me on the Bible? You'll lose lol.
Daracon75 3 years ago
The bible also supports the oppression of women and slavery.
Have fun with that.
GruntyAssassin 3 years ago
Gruntyassasin,
Well it's odd you think so because the Bible doesn't support oppression of women nor slavery. Your view is easily disproven, as easy as I disproved the other guy's claim earlier. I'm not going to waste my time giving you all the answers. Stop being lazy and do it for yourself.
Daracon75 3 years ago
If you read the fucking thing for almost 11 years of your life then you would know of all the fucked up shit in the bible.
Converting to an atheist was one of the greatest thing I have ever done. I was a Christian evangelist since I was about 16 before I went to this seminar on what I thought was complete bullshit but then realized what the church I went to had me doing and who they were shaping me to become.
Now I am married to my long time girlfriend and am a proud father.
GruntyAssassin 3 years ago
Isaiah 40:22:
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
Well then according to the bible, the Earth is a circle, which is a flat contrary to a sphere. I agree that the earth isn't described in the bible, but it is by no means described as a sphere.
Debating you on the bible? I just won :)
Sarkrum 3 years ago 2
Ah, I meant "I agree that the earth isn't described as a square in the Bible [...]". Sorry ;)
Sarkrum 3 years ago
In Hebrew it is described as a circle with four corners. Poetically that indicates a sphere. Your linguistic knowledge sucks.
NazareneJudaism 3 years ago
How do you ever get a circle with 4 corners to be a sphere? A circle has zero corners and a sphere has zero corners. Poetically that indicates nothing more than nonsense.
You're geometric knowledge sucks.
I have no problem with the Bible, it contains some beautiful stories which we all can learn from. But if you insist on reading it literally instead of philosophically and metaphorically, you are an ignorant idiot. It's written by humans, it's okay if it's wrong once in a while, live with it.
Sarkrum 3 years ago
Learn about literature, especially poetry, one of the most ancient of Arts. Hey wait that is my specialization, so who really has the authority? It isn't you. Go to College; if you don't know of one I will help you find one.
By the way this is the reason I work instead of bitching on a computer all the time: and allowing people as yourself to stress me out. I hope you have a wonderfully non-intellectual - that is what you have choose - such is not a life for me.
NazareneJudaism 3 years ago
Well, my respond to that would be: Learn about mathematics, especially geometry, if you can't find a textbook I'll mail you one. A sphere is never, ever described as a circle with four corners. It is utter nonsense.
I'm heading to college, I just have to finish high school first, thank you very much :)
What college did you attend to by the way? The Discover Institute? Even your name shows that you are completely biased on this matter.
I might not be intellectual, but at least I'm intelligent.
Sarkrum 3 years ago
What do you think I have to study to graduate into a University level? Learn about literature. Again you used a Non Sequitur and indirect ad hominem attack. Again learn about poetry and literature. In the original language of Isaiah especially Paleo-Hebrew they have Hebrew puns that create a poetic flow. Also look at history where the Bible and its poetic flow was used to discover simple things such as the earth was round. Remember Columbus was Catholic so he had access to at least a translation
NazareneJudaism 3 years ago
Even if you want to argue that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat, they certainly didn't discover it. There are suggestions that the Egyptians knew about the size and shape of the earth, 2550 BC. And again Pythagoras, born in 532 BC defended a spherical theory. So even if the bible suggested the earth to be round, it wouldn't special used by Isiah.
And you are to talk about going after the man instead of the ball? You went directly to attacking me, calling me an undereducated lowlife.
Sarkrum 3 years ago
Actually I did call you what is true. Uneducated and not worth the sweat off my brow.
NazareneJudaism 3 years ago
Ah the choice of the mature, educated person. Stop debating the matter at hand and call the other person stupid. Oh wait, that's the choice of a 4-year old.
And well. what I called you appears to be true as well. You claim your right and refuse to listen to any reason whatsoever. And I was right, you are arrogant and holier than thou. From your first post you were debating and insulting equally.
Guess I can live with being uneducated as long as I'm suffering from head-in-rectum disease like you.
Sarkrum 3 years ago
It is translated "borders" in Numbers 15:38. In Ezekiel 7:2 it is translated "four corners" and again in Isaiah 11:12 "four corners." Job 37:3 and 38:13 as "ends."
The Greek equivalent in Revelation 7:1 is gonia. The Greek meaning is perhaps more closely related to our modern divisions known as quadrants. Gonia literally means angles, or divisions. It is customary to divide a map into quadrants as shown by the four directions.
Daracon75 3 years ago
Answer me this... do you believe that;
a) Something created something. (Possible)
or
b) Nothing created something. (Impossible)
If God does not exist, then the universe came from non-existence into existence from nothing, including Time, Space and Matter.
The universe cannot be eternal (which I can prove unequivocally). Which means it had a beginning. Time was created along with all otehr matter in the universe.
Daracon75 3 years ago
That "evidence" for evolution provides a very weak case which has already been disproven. I've seen it for myself. I don't bother debating on evolution anyway. Debating evolution is a trivial matter anyway. Watch the video already if you believe so strongly in evolution.
/watch?v=ljVYyul1n6M
It's great that you so freely give your opinion on God's existence, but I would much rather put my trust in logic. You don't.
Daracon75 3 years ago
Oh by the way, I don't need to disprove evolution. It already has been... Enjoy.
/watch?v=ljVYyul1n6M
Daracon75 3 years ago
VenomfangX doesn't have the slightest understanding of what he is talking about, creatures have no defined "gain" or "loss" traits from evolution. An amoeba has 100 times as many genetic sequences a human.
Trisket 3 years ago
If all of them were required for this universe to exist, and there was no God and this universe was inherently randomly generated, then you could say that the mathematical probability of one of them not existing is extremely high. The fact that they are all present is undeniable evidence for a designer. Go ahead and disagree if you want, but there's no doubt you'll be in denial if you do.
Daracon75 3 years ago
If someone wants to disagree and say that the universe is eternal, it can be disproven very easily. But the point is that, If not even time existed forever, other physics could not have existed either. There is no law in science that says the laws of physics had to exist in the manner that they exist. Out of all of the many universal physics, take away one, and the universe cannot exist. Every single one of them HAD to exist in order for this universe to operate. Are you going to deny that?
Daracon75 3 years ago
Sure you can close your eyes and say "there's no design features" even when there's millions of them.
One thing you can't argue with is this:
The current physics of this universe exist indefinitely under current human scientific knowledge. Some may be slightly deviated. But it can never ever be proven that these physics were predetermined before the universe's creation. Including time. The Universe is not eternal, that's easily provable...
Daracon75 3 years ago
I see every single one of you retard Athiests couldn't refute a single thing I stated and did nothing except give me the typical Athiest swearing treatment and offensive statements... and "no it's not, you're wrong!". Weak.
It's really no use talking to any of you because you won't even give it an ounce of thought in the first place no matter the evidence. None of you have ever even just looked around and noticed the designed features in the universe.
Daracon75 3 years ago
What have you said that can't be refuted? Hate to break it to you, but we have the fossils, the quantum mechanics, abiogenesis, and the genetic record, we win. Nietzsche, microscopes and telescopes killed god in the 1800s. Enjoy your myths, just don't let them obstruct the lives of reasonable people.
Trisket 3 years ago
Are you retarded? You just listed things in no direct order for absolutely no purpose that prove absolutely nothing. Seriously, think before you post.
Daracon75 3 years ago
Thanks for insulting me, if you knew what any of the things I listed were you wouldn't feel so threatened. Abiogenesis/Fossil Record/Genetic Record all tie into how life exists today, they have been tested for decades now and have observed repeated successful results. Quantum Mechanics is how we believe the structure of the Universe works. If you don't know who Nietzsche is I feel sorry for you. I mentioned telescopes/microscopes they show there was more to our existence than any holy text says.
Trisket 3 years ago
rofl, 'threatened'? You really shouldn't make false assumptions about people. The reason I said that your list proved nothing is that it doesn't.. prove anything. Abiogenesis/fossil records/genetic records don't prove evolution whatsoever, nor do any tests they have conducted. Quantum mechanics? Read my other posts. You failed when you mentioned holy text. The Bible does not contradict science in any way whatsoever. That was your misunderstanding.
Daracon75 3 years ago
Best statement ever "The Bible does not contradict science in any way whatsoever." According the bible the earth is flat, we came from two people, the earth is 6000 years old, the sun revolves around the earth, the earth flooded 40 days (thats more three feet of water a minute, not physically possible), it goes on and on. No, those things don't "prove" evolution, they support it, and make a very strong case. You have a middle schoolers understanding of science. God is dead, get over it.
Trisket 3 years ago
Umm.. The Bible says the earth is flat???! ROFL Go ahead and list the verse if you know what you're talking about so I can prove you wrong, because I know it already. It does NOT say the sun revolves around the earth either. That's your warped deliberate misinterpretation. The Bible does NOT say the earth is 6000 years old either.. you were fooled. I'd like for you to put forward your evidence for that claim of 6000 years rofl. At least get your facts straight.
Daracon75 3 years ago
Revelation 7:1
1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."
"The sun rises and the sun sets; And hastening to its place it rises there again." (Eccles. 1:5, NASB) I know more about your myth book then you do.
Trisket 3 years ago
Once again you have no brain. Did you read my other post?
"Go ahead and list the verse... ...because I know it already."
"the four corners of the earth." The word translated "corners," as in the phrase above, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity.
Daracon75 3 years ago
You can argue translations all you want, doesn't make your myths any more credible.
Trisket 3 years ago
Okay, that's a start. At least you're willing to admit you were wrong about the Bible.
On that note.. I'm off to bed. G'night.
Daracon75 3 years ago
Well then you can also argue whether Mary was a virgin or not. The Hebrew word for "virgin" is also translatable to "young woman".
The Bible is a great book, but it is not supposed to be read literally. In many cases it's more likely to be read metaphorically. Why some Christians insist on every word in the Bible to be literally true is beyond me, and it is completely ignorant as well.
Sarkrum 3 years ago
Such crap, this guy is clearly an idiot. And taking advantage of the public who dont even understand, such dangerous propaganda to be spreading saying evolution is a lie.
robbiethe3rd 3 years ago
Whatever happened to fundraising at your local church? People like this need to stick to what they do best and leave the science to the experts.
SuperAntx 3 years ago
Whether you like it or not,
Reality = Design...
Design = Designer...
Designer = God...
Reality = God.
Nuff said.
Daracon75 3 years ago 2
You = idiot
Idiot = idiocy
Idiocy = god
God = religion
THEREFORE:
Religion = Idiocy!
Wow look i can make completely logical arguments based on entirely false premises too!
Leneghad 3 years ago
What the fuck? Are you fucking stupid?
Reality is not designed. That's an excuse you use to explain things that are too complex for you to understand.
Here's a better logical train.
Creationist = Retarded
Creationist = Gay.
You = Creationist.
Therefore You = Gay retard.
Go suck a dick instead of trying to think logically, you'd be better at that. Faggot.
lolscum 3 years ago
Right..... I love how intelligent conversation can arrive at this gem of a chucklehead, lolscum. I definitely do not disagree with evolution, but people like him are very one-sided. There is no openness to knowledgeable discussion about God,science, religion, evolution, life, etc.
pzloz 3 years ago
Hmm, may I play your logical fallacy game too?
Reality = no Design...
no Design = no Designer...
no Designer = Natural processes...
Reality = Natural processes.
Weee! This is a fun game!
ScottishAtheist 3 years ago
ScottishAthiest,
"The two are mutually exclusive. You have a literal reading of the bible vs. reality, guess what wins?"
That's an incorrect statement. Because the Bible fits with reality perfectly. What you should be concentrating on is "Evolution vs Reality".
Because the reality is that we see design features on every single thing in the universe whether you like it or not... Design IS REALITY. And where there is Design, there is a Designer.
Daracon75 3 years ago
"Because the reality is that we see design features on every single thing in the universe whether you like it or not... Design IS REALITY. And where there is Design, there is a Designer."
No there is not, you dumb piece of shit.
lolscum 3 years ago
"we see design features on every single thing in the universe whether you like it or not... Design IS REALITY. And where there is Design, there is a Designer."
Do yourself a favor and read "The Blind Watchmaker".
Life is NOT designed by an intelligence. At least not one that leaves a single clue as to how, who and when. Life looks exactly the way it would had it evolved by natural selection over billions of years. But of course the designer designed it to look evolved didn't it? Hmmm...
ScottishAtheist 3 years ago
...Hm...Taco.
Darverses 3 years ago
Jesus Christ is the Way, Life and the Truth!!!
Thsiscool 3 years ago 3
"science must deny it's looking for the truth"...
...well, yeah. And? Technically speaking, it's not possible to attain absolute truth until the end of time. We can only continue experiments and observations to gain a reliable prediction (theory) that over time becomes closer and closer to certainty. This is how science works. The mined quote "science is the search for truth" is really just figurative...only creationists cannot realize this.
DeimosSaturn 3 years ago 2
science isn't really the searching for the truth, its more of following the facts to the end result. you can hypothesize anything you want, but in the end you must follow the facts, rather than lead them to your own goal.
JackWisps 3 years ago 2
The first half of that statement is flawed:
1. Retroviruses in our DNA and chimp DNA prove we share a common ancestor
2. Our second chromosome is two ape chromosomes fused together
3. Njpalko314 has videos to explain abiogenesis
4. The Half-life of U-238 is 4.5 billion years and of the Uranium ore dug out the ground just over half of the Uranium has decayed into Thorium, Lead, Polonium, Radon, etc. This indicates an old Earth.
bluecode320 3 years ago
Also watch potholer54' videos, they are very simple and explain everything without the need of a God
mckdirector117 3 years ago
Science seeks to understand, it seeks to get closer to the truth.
Religion pretends to know the truth already...
Falloutmoon 3 years ago
This guy comes from the THE LOUDER AND ANGRIER I SHOUT THE MORE TRUE I SOUND school.
ScottishAtheist 3 years ago
Evolutionists discovered humans and fish have a common ancestor, oh how ridiculous! I can't comprehend it so it must be wrong! and thats a fact.
Everyone knows in their hearts that we were created by a loving God who will burn all the evolutionists alive when they die to show his love for them. Ps please believe in jesus or you'll be sorry!
tomozee 3 years ago 3
Good comment.
DickJohnson3434 3 years ago
"Evolution is such a crock. God is real."
The two are mutually exclusive. You have a literal reading of the bible vs. reality, guess what wins?
ScottishAtheist 3 years ago
ScottishAthiest,
"The two are mutually exclusive. You have a literal reading of the bible vs. reality, guess what wins?"
That's an incorrect statement. Because the Bible fits with reality perfectly. What you should be concentrating on is "Evolution vs Reality".
Because the reality is that we see design features on every single thing in the universe whether you like it or not... Design IS REALITY. And where there is Design, there is a Designer.
Daracon75 3 years ago
Can you just shut the fuck and die already? That way you can finally get the proof that you're wrong.
zomghawtness 3 years ago
Oh... Which God?
arshsingh1984 3 years ago
The God who has the most archelogical proof---God of the bible.
DryBONESreborn 3 years ago
You only say that because you've only spent your time looking for proof of that God. I'm sure I can find circumstantial evidence for the Buddha, Brahma, or even Rah (tons of archaeological proof of that one). So, humble thyself before the FSM :P
arshsingh1984 3 years ago 2
I humble myself before Yahweh. He's real th FSM is made up and has NO arheological proof. As for the others, they are idols created by man that demons like to toy with.
DryBONESreborn 3 years ago 2
Man, your ignorance is really showing now. Your constricted world view has you disrespecting those who's views are different from your own. Did you know, though, that all religions think they're the right ones? So your word really means nothing.
arshsingh1984 3 years ago
Um, I'm not ignorant. I know that everyone has different views. I can have a view that buses dont' exist that it's made up, if I get hit by one, then my theory is wrong. Check it out, more proof of the bible than FSM. My word means alot if there's proof. All religions can think they are right, but THE TRUTH will be shown. It's pure and simple, people are blind make stuff up only when light of Truth let's them know that all ways are not right.
DryBONESreborn 3 years ago
The "Truth" in religious contexts is subjective. You want to blind yourself to science, by all means do so. But there is no need to denigrate other people. I reiterate, once more, there is just as much evidence for Christianity as there is for Buddhism, Hinduism, or Islamic Sufism.
arshsingh1984 3 years ago
I know science. I love science, but it can't answer "when dogs die do they have a life"? If there is just as much evidence, then link me. God took down Baals, he can take down more.
DryBONESreborn 3 years ago
Apparently my subtle skepticism was lost on you: there is no evidence for Jesus, Buddha, Shiva, save for circumstantial evidence that has to do with geography, and the fact that these figures have modern day followers. Provide me irrefutable evidence for Jesus, and I'll look for evidence of these other versions of God.
arshsingh1984 3 years ago 3
p.s. "God took down Baals, he can take down more."
be careful how you phrase your sentences.
arshsingh1984 3 years ago
I see what you sayin...but I disagree!
naturalcessation 3 years ago
This guy is a fucking dolt!
ChimeraMouse 4 years ago 2
@chimeramouse
Nice, call him a dolt and then have nothing to justify yourself for calling him that.
Perhaps it's because you know you're wrong and don't want to admit it?
LinkGrayX2 3 years ago
Does anyone else think he kinda sounds like angry Mrs. Garrison teaching that kids that we're all "retarded fish frogs."
BrodieAdamson 4 years ago 4
He's not in search of the truth, he just made it up and decided its right and calls anyone who uses evidence a liar.
aversion2k 4 years ago 4
Hahaha.. hes so angry, and his arguments are retarded
aversion2k 4 years ago 4
I debated Dr Jackson online and he made up information supposedly contained in National Geographic articles. My debate with him is posted on my page; myspace dot com / roiscience. He sounds less intellectual when someone is there to call him on his unsupported claims.
Roiscience 4 years ago
Actually, I did research because I believed the same, and tha National Geographic article is true.
KYChamp 4 years ago
No its not true. Send me your email address and I'll email you the PDF of the article.
Roiscience 4 years ago
Ok, Dr J couldn't get to intellectual, because he is talking to Middle Scholars. I agree with mikimoco2, he is very smart (In Menssa for that matter) He is literally called a genus! What rank are you in Messa kubush, lawilson? I'm sorry to say that insults, don't say much about your character.
ReformedApologian, mikimoco2, lets keep fighting.
And until you offer up some evidence for evolution kubush, and lawlson200, I just can't take you very seriously.
Evomustfall 4 years ago
I have seen Dr. Jackson take a more studious stance in presenting this information. He is nothing short of brilliant in both his delivery and academic understanding. He is one of the best scientists around. He is obviously trying to meet a specific present audience in this video and not an intellectual audience. It does not take an educated person to wrongly criticise him. Dr Jackson has ben tested with a very high IQ and has obtained his PhD. Have you also? I wonder.
mikimoco2 4 years ago
This guy didnt refute any of the science behind comparative anatomy, he simply said that some things are different and some things are not, and so god made them. Pfff.
kubush 4 years ago 2
I prefer insults, because this guy did not say anything that is beneficial or useful by any stretch of the imaagination. Simply put SSDD. YECers had not presented any new insight for a long time and what is there, was debunked for an equally longtime.
lawilson200 4 years ago
SOOOO... does that not tell you any brevity to arguements that support the basis of these beliefs have been debunked?
KWrestler21 4 years ago
As you perhaps noticed, I am no fan of YECism. You may have a point the enteries are below my normal stanards of refutation and debate. However in defense, one does get tired of constantly repeating yourself over and over again to usually the same piece of nonsense.
lawilson200 4 years ago 2
Kent Hovind goes to prison, so we are now stuck with this moron! I wonder when we can sick the IRS on this guy? I understand Hovind needs a cell mate.
lawilson200 4 years ago 3
Nice overgeneralization of one radical YEC to one of a high status of scholarhood and dignity.
KWrestler21 4 years ago