Warren Rick

[godsjournalist]

I agree 100% with Pastor Rick Warren. I met the man is person and he is just as passionate about building up other people and their churches as he is his. It's his duty to share what God has given unto him, and sometimes he has to spell it out the way he did. It really doesn't make any sense for churches to be functioning the way that are. No one's maturing, and no one's being equipped for disciples, running a small group, or pastoring themselves. Everyone's just coming like its a social club.

[EZEKIEL3622]

My question is rick really looking at the True Church? He doesn't seem to rely on the Power of God, the Power of the Spirit. Seems he thinks it takes man's accomplishments for the Church to succeed. God is not served by human hands as if He needed anything... The True Church will be without spot or blemish regardless of man's psycho pragmatic formulas

[bobinwisc]

yeah we know he has "purpose" lol he milks that for all its worth :) i agree that he is "passionate". although a lot of smug people are passionate about themselves and their programs. in fact, that would be what makes them smug.

and i'm not sure u can just throw a definition in another's speech to say it isn't saying what he stated. to say he was implying something other than the plain words seems off-base, considering that myself and others didn't get that implication from the speech.

[dannywahlquist]

Great words "The perpetual immaturity of the church" "Come & see to come & die"

[bobinwisc]

is it me or does he come across as smug and prideful?

"you can know this - i am a champion of all pastors and church planters. in fact i was a church planter before church planting was cool."

wow... seems lacking in humility to me. am i off base?

[StalkingGod]

I would describe it more as having a clear purpose and being passionate about it.

The way he uses 'champion' in the phrase you quote implies the definition 'one who does battle for another's honor' more so than 'won first place in a contest'.