These sells are from a seller on E-bay. I thought they were interesting because they are 6 volts. Most are less than that but any voltage can work. Electronic Goldmine also has a small selection and I've used a few of theirs.
would placing to of these motors in parallel be able to create a constant wavelength pattern to power each other or would current be still lost this is a unique pattern i see but my main question could the voltage be regulated and stored efficiently enough to make perpetual current and yes i know its not true perpetual b/c of the solar constant but maybe in a three faze idk i guess we need to wait for crystallized capacitors that are fast enough to take and release charge with less resistance
There has always been a drawback about this type motor. It's probably not practical to use the solar cells to produce mechanical energy then use the mechanical energy to generate electrical energy. You already have the electrical energy from the solar cells if you use them as intended. You might be able to do something with a commutator on the rotor because you have the coils in motion over the magnets. Thanks for the ideas.
Real professional. I dont know which is your main speciality now, engineering or photography? Anyway how about putting all these tiny contraptions to do some work and power something serious?
Hello young friend. Actually you're almost on the right track. It would be good to surround a portion of the motor but not with mirrors. you need something to stop or shade the light from hitting the cells. You see there is only one angle for the light to strike the rotor which provides the optimal timing for the coil position with respect to the magnet on the bottom of the base. I have thought about researching a material that would just block the spectrum needed.
Indeed. I have a feeling I might have orbital magnets stuck in the woodwork everywhere before I'm done. My wife will think I shooting my model cannon in the house.
Stevan, I wish my subscribers understood what a compliment it is to receive one from a person with as many accomplishments in energy research as you have. The levitation is very unstable. Small bearings would make a fan possible. As is it would move air parallel to the light source. I'm trying to think of something different for this experiment.
DadHav. My students and I have watched your video over and over. Very nice job! My students are wanting to make a replication of what you have done in my Jr Hi Tech class but they do not know how you wired the coils with the solar cells. Can you PM me and tell me how you did it so I can share this with my students? Thank you for your help.
'old time tchr of 38 years (wood shop) - learning new ways of teaching.
If you dont have to tolerate the losses of charging a battery then this system is king - have a lookat these guys 400 watts of human power and they doing 130 kph - calculate your top speed say 30 kph get your wheel rpm then scale the motor up until it runs at that rpm then couple them in series, as many as you need to push you along as soon as the sun shines.
Very nice! you continue to impress w/ your design and ingenuity. I like how you included some footage of the shop. May I ask where you obtained the 6 volt mini solar panels? We've been searching for such a panel for a JT camping lantern we've been putting together.
Hey Guy's Thank you. I think these cells are really a little lite duty for that application unless you put a few in parallel. They where on E-bay. I'm sure they would show up but there if you search for 6 volt cell. There would probably be a better deal at the manufacturers web site. Stop the video where I show the back of the cell. You will see the web address.
Thanks, we watched the video a couple more times, could not find the manufacturers site address. Our JT does not need much to charge batteries and 6 volt would be perfect. you can send PM if you don't want to post.
Sorry I beg for forgiveness the magnets on the end are bearings - sorry the light reflecting off the machined Perspex hid the longitudinal magnet - your design is perfect - my observation skills are terrible, I am with you know.
Its good really great in fact - this motor is a self starter - and could charge the batteries in your house, which could run every thing - look into caravan appliances they all 12 V
Maybe a modified version with a little more power, bearings and a commutator could do some charging, but the question would always be: Why not just use the cells as a charger?
And from my limited experience with electric motors wouldnt long bar magnets long as in, long longitudinal bar magnets instead of those 3 spot magnets - wouldnt full length bar magnets make much more power keeping in mind the magnetic force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance (those spot magnets are too far from the copper coils) - and also just in my opinion the amount of surface area that repels.
Having said all of that picture a large main gear wheel like the fly wheel on a car just bigger and with finer teeth - then you mount an array of these motors say 50 of them with a small pinion gear driving the big gear, put in the sun and go to work man - you just designed out the need for a solar tracking device - thats why I liked it in the first place its good just keep it small like the ants.
You have to remember this is really only a toy. It is useful as a science experiment for demonstrate a principle. These motors where made years ago and no one has ever used them for a practical purpose as far as I know.
As nice as it is to design out a commutator - you now stuck with 6ft X 18 ft of rotating solar panels to make any real power. and in automotive design - dont quote me on this - for every kg you remove from rotating mass is worth 15 kg of static mass.
So as novel as this design is in its timing skills, its mass is all messed up to get any bigger - but i do like its design it just doest suit the making of big power
Its nice its good and i am sure i will grow to like it more, but my first impressions are, and these are based on competition petrol racing engines - first problem - heavy rotating mass
King, When it comes to English, sometimes I don't think I know him either. Thanks. I'm glad you like the videos. There are relatives from my fathers side in your Russia. Havrilla is a common name there right?
@DadHav Отлично значит вы тоже чуть-чуть из россии)
Извините я не очень понял вопрос"Havrilla is a common name there right?" , вы имели в виду самое распространенное имя в России?Если так,то самое распространенное имя в России это Иван и Василий ))Или я просто не правильно перевел ваш вопрос))
@DadHav Well then you're also a little bit of Russia)
Sorry I do not quite understand the question "Havrilla is a common name there right?" Did you mean the most common name in Russia? If so, the most common name in Russia's Ivan and Vasily)) or I just do not correctly translated your question))
@DadHav All is fine) Just spoken English apparently differs from the traditional) Since the words Havrilla I have not found anywhere else)) Now I'll know what it means)) Thank you for the clarification.
Wow , South Bend, haven't seen one of them since 1966 - 67, Shop class...
Nice mill, Had 2 indentured apprentice ships as machinist, ended up as an electrician though. Was wondering if shielding the armature cells from the sun until the right time would help, seems like they are fighting or I don't understand motor yet. Gary
Yes it would probably be the same lathe. This one is a bench style driven from below with a flat belt. I also left the trade because electrictions, carpenters and plumbers all made more money than a Tool & Die Maker. Hands on engineering and management was my destiny. Yes, If the cells out of operation where shaded the motor would be much better. It works real good on the widow sill because the cells facing the room produce little potential.
Cool! What kind of mill do you have? It looks pretty nice, more compact than a massive bridgeport for exapmle, about the size i'm lookin to fnid. Couple questions on the motor, do you find the magnetic suspention bearing is causing much friction at all or no? and also it would be really cool if you built a longer shaft and used a simple elastic band or a belt to drive a small simple load like a fan. Cool motor! Cheers, IC.
Hello, The mill was from Grizzly. I think it was the G0619 also to be found as the Sieg Super X3. It's about a 400 pound machine and pretty decent for it's weight. Many convert it to CNC. The suspension of the Mendo motor is very free from friction but very touchy. Using any kind of drive system would probably not work at all. The motor is very low in torque and more a demonstration of solar magnetic principle more than anything.
Thanks, Your welcome to hang around anytime. Them's some kickin speakers you have. Can you still here what I'm saying, or do I need to speak louder. Things have changed a lot since my old 1960's McIntosh stereo system. But mine is still kickin with some JBL 15's
You are very impressive guy! Did you work from plans or did you kinda dream this thing up yourself? Also I'm wondering where you got you credentials as a tool maker. Thanks in advance
Keep up the good work! You are a real inspiration!
Thanks. I started a Tool & Die making apprenticeship in the early 60's But Grandpa Schilling had me running the lathe I work on now since I was around 12 years old. The lathe is a 1945 South Bend. The Idea of the motor is not really my own. I've seen versions of it and thought I'd like to give it a try. The base is just a little different than some of the others. I might make a noticeably different version of this a little later.
Hey DadHav, I use PowerDirector 8 for HD video editing. It's very basic, but it handles HD workflow quickly and well. I have an Intel Q9400 quadcore system with 3GB RAM. My HD camera is the Canon HFS11.
Sounds like you're doing well. I have Pinnacle Ultimate V12 and I would think it should do well but my processor must be way to slow. I have to edit on my notebook with a dual processor and 2 gigs ram. And man this is pains takingly slow even at HX definition. I could probably be doing something wrong as well. I'm not to smart about this. I could try the trial version of PD8 and see if it works any better. I'd appreciate anyone who wants to chime in on the subject.
I wonder if this will go faster if you point mirrors to it? I appreciate what you do here, but can this work under a load like to charge a 12V battery...
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SurvivalGrounds 2 months ago
Where did you buy your solar cells?
Robomatrix94 6 months ago
@Robomatrix94
These sells are from a seller on E-bay. I thought they were interesting because they are 6 volts. Most are less than that but any voltage can work. Electronic Goldmine also has a small selection and I've used a few of theirs.
John
DadHav 6 months ago
This is quite intriguing
JedClampettJr 7 months ago
@JedClampettJr
Hello Jed. Have a look at the Ring & Cylinder Mag Lev Fixture videos for a better idea on the suspension.
Thanks.
John
DadHav 7 months ago
I meet this guy name Larry Spring in Fort Brag and he made a lot of these on his window sills.
deaftodd 8 months ago
@deaftodd
I have some really tiny cells. I'm going to try making a ring levitated miniature some time soon. See my Ring Lev Fixture video.
John
DadHav 8 months ago
would placing to of these motors in parallel be able to create a constant wavelength pattern to power each other or would current be still lost this is a unique pattern i see but my main question could the voltage be regulated and stored efficiently enough to make perpetual current and yes i know its not true perpetual b/c of the solar constant but maybe in a three faze idk i guess we need to wait for crystallized capacitors that are fast enough to take and release charge with less resistance
blademcgavin 9 months ago
@blademcgavin
There has always been a drawback about this type motor. It's probably not practical to use the solar cells to produce mechanical energy then use the mechanical energy to generate electrical energy. You already have the electrical energy from the solar cells if you use them as intended. You might be able to do something with a commutator on the rotor because you have the coils in motion over the magnets. Thanks for the ideas.
John
DadHav 9 months ago
Real professional. I dont know which is your main speciality now, engineering or photography? Anyway how about putting all these tiny contraptions to do some work and power something serious?
AfroSymphony1 9 months ago
@AfroSymphony1
OK
J
DadHav 9 months ago
well done.
BullGuy87 10 months ago
very nice! wouldn't it be better to place a long mirror on the bottom? or two in a v shaped angle for greater light on more solars panels?
Ive learnt a fair amount from your videos,
thanks for sharing =]
Craigisallgood 11 months ago
@Craigisallgood
Hello young friend. Actually you're almost on the right track. It would be good to surround a portion of the motor but not with mirrors. you need something to stop or shade the light from hitting the cells. You see there is only one angle for the light to strike the rotor which provides the optimal timing for the coil position with respect to the magnet on the bottom of the base. I have thought about researching a material that would just block the spectrum needed.
Cheers.
John
DadHav 11 months ago
Can this help balance it? watch?v=JGoQS9l0jNQ
ForPropertyInvestors 11 months ago
@ForPropertyInvestors
Thank you. I've never seen that before. I have no clue the satellite magnet can balance the rotor. I'll check it out some time.
J
DadHav 11 months ago
@DadHav Cool. It seems from the video explanation it was a serendipity moment. Hope by change it's useful.
ForPropertyInvestors 11 months ago
@ForPropertyInvestors
Indeed. I have a feeling I might have orbital magnets stuck in the woodwork everywhere before I'm done. My wife will think I shooting my model cannon in the house.
Thanks
John
DadHav 11 months ago
Very nice build. I wish i had those machinery :-)
Thanks 4 sharing and showing your work.
Greetz M
sMartcreations2010 1 year ago
great use of magnets, better than this:
/watch?v=rsK1Ip4TsJc&feature=related
Klonkiller888 1 year ago
Wow, what a nice little window piece. Great Job :D
RoboTekno 1 year ago
DadHav,
I wholeheartedly congratulate!
excellent work, but I'm not surprised, You made me expect no less from You
;)
How about putting a fan on it and putting it in a thermal "air" solar panel (=heat pumping/spooling)?
Is there a chance building an "axial" layout (think 800mm PC fan)?
Best regards,
Stevan C.
cest73 1 year ago
@cest73
Stevan, I wish my subscribers understood what a compliment it is to receive one from a person with as many accomplishments in energy research as you have. The levitation is very unstable. Small bearings would make a fan possible. As is it would move air parallel to the light source. I'm trying to think of something different for this experiment.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
DadHav. My students and I have watched your video over and over. Very nice job! My students are wanting to make a replication of what you have done in my Jr Hi Tech class but they do not know how you wired the coils with the solar cells. Can you PM me and tell me how you did it so I can share this with my students? Thank you for your help.
'old time tchr of 38 years (wood shop) - learning new ways of teaching.
u2btchr 1 year ago
@u2btchr
I'd be proud to help. Check your private messages. Or give me an e-mail address for more information.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
John,
Again, you made a materpiece.
ebisevac 1 year ago
Great work .... again. well done. keep showing everyone how its done. I dont know what we would do without you.
mrjonesy988 1 year ago
@mrjonesy988
Thanks Friend. I could say the same for you with your motor video. Nice job.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
Say, I been looking for a fly cutter like that...
BikoHatna 1 year ago
@BikoHatna
I'm surprised anyone recognized what it was. They're simple to make or available even available on E-Bay.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
If you dont have to tolerate the losses of charging a battery then this system is king - have a lookat these guys 400 watts of human power and they doing 130 kph - calculate your top speed say 30 kph get your wheel rpm then scale the motor up until it runs at that rpm then couple them in series, as many as you need to push you along as soon as the sun shines.
watch?v=5V2FgwN_re4&feature=related
maco10810 1 year ago
Sorry I also had the sound off, my family are sleeping so I missed the whole explanation, head phones do help a lot 2nd time round : ) great work
maco10810 1 year ago
Very nice! you continue to impress w/ your design and ingenuity. I like how you included some footage of the shop. May I ask where you obtained the 6 volt mini solar panels? We've been searching for such a panel for a JT camping lantern we've been putting together.
Thanks,
P'n'S
min2oly 1 year ago
@min2oly
Hey Guy's Thank you. I think these cells are really a little lite duty for that application unless you put a few in parallel. They where on E-bay. I'm sure they would show up but there if you search for 6 volt cell. There would probably be a better deal at the manufacturers web site. Stop the video where I show the back of the cell. You will see the web address.
Take Care.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
@DadHav
Thanks, we watched the video a couple more times, could not find the manufacturers site address. Our JT does not need much to charge batteries and 6 volt would be perfect. you can send PM if you don't want to post.
Thanks,
P'n'S
min2oly 1 year ago
@DadHav
I found them :-) they only came up when I searched 6.7 volts solar cell - go figure.
Thanks,
P'n'S
min2oly 1 year ago
Sorry I beg for forgiveness the magnets on the end are bearings - sorry the light reflecting off the machined Perspex hid the longitudinal magnet - your design is perfect - my observation skills are terrible, I am with you know.
Its good really great in fact - this motor is a self starter - and could charge the batteries in your house, which could run every thing - look into caravan appliances they all 12 V
maco10810 1 year ago
@maco10810
Maybe a modified version with a little more power, bearings and a commutator could do some charging, but the question would always be: Why not just use the cells as a charger?
John
DadHav 1 year ago
And from my limited experience with electric motors wouldnt long bar magnets long as in, long longitudinal bar magnets instead of those 3 spot magnets - wouldnt full length bar magnets make much more power keeping in mind the magnetic force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance (those spot magnets are too far from the copper coils) - and also just in my opinion the amount of surface area that repels.
maco10810 1 year ago
Having said all of that picture a large main gear wheel like the fly wheel on a car just bigger and with finer teeth - then you mount an array of these motors say 50 of them with a small pinion gear driving the big gear, put in the sun and go to work man - you just designed out the need for a solar tracking device - thats why I liked it in the first place its good just keep it small like the ants.
maco10810 1 year ago
@maco10810
You have to remember this is really only a toy. It is useful as a science experiment for demonstrate a principle. These motors where made years ago and no one has ever used them for a practical purpose as far as I know.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
As nice as it is to design out a commutator - you now stuck with 6ft X 18 ft of rotating solar panels to make any real power. and in automotive design - dont quote me on this - for every kg you remove from rotating mass is worth 15 kg of static mass.
So as novel as this design is in its timing skills, its mass is all messed up to get any bigger - but i do like its design it just doest suit the making of big power
maco10810 1 year ago
Its nice its good and i am sure i will grow to like it more, but my first impressions are, and these are based on competition petrol racing engines - first problem - heavy rotating mass
maco10810 1 year ago
я в восторге!прекрасная работа,очень понравилось.
I love it! great job, really liked it.
P.S. Sorry for my english, I do not know him.
king0rm 1 year ago
King, When it comes to English, sometimes I don't think I know him either. Thanks. I'm glad you like the videos. There are relatives from my fathers side in your Russia. Havrilla is a common name there right?
John H
DadHav 1 year ago
@DadHav Отлично значит вы тоже чуть-чуть из россии)
Извините я не очень понял вопрос"Havrilla is a common name there right?" , вы имели в виду самое распространенное имя в России?Если так,то самое распространенное имя в России это Иван и Василий ))Или я просто не правильно перевел ваш вопрос))
king0rm 1 year ago
@DadHav Well then you're also a little bit of Russia)
Sorry I do not quite understand the question "Havrilla is a common name there right?" Did you mean the most common name in Russia? If so, the most common name in Russia's Ivan and Vasily)) or I just do not correctly translated your question))
king0rm 1 year ago
@king0rm
No problem friend. Havrilla only means I am half Russian. You are right. Schilling means I am half German.
Take Care.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
@DadHav All is fine) Just spoken English apparently differs from the traditional) Since the words Havrilla I have not found anywhere else)) Now I'll know what it means)) Thank you for the clarification.
king0rm 1 year ago
Wow , South Bend, haven't seen one of them since 1966 - 67, Shop class...
Nice mill, Had 2 indentured apprentice ships as machinist, ended up as an electrician though. Was wondering if shielding the armature cells from the sun until the right time would help, seems like they are fighting or I don't understand motor yet. Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
@llewgnal
Yes it would probably be the same lathe. This one is a bench style driven from below with a flat belt. I also left the trade because electrictions, carpenters and plumbers all made more money than a Tool & Die Maker. Hands on engineering and management was my destiny. Yes, If the cells out of operation where shaded the motor would be much better. It works real good on the widow sill because the cells facing the room produce little potential.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
Cool! What kind of mill do you have? It looks pretty nice, more compact than a massive bridgeport for exapmle, about the size i'm lookin to fnid. Couple questions on the motor, do you find the magnetic suspention bearing is causing much friction at all or no? and also it would be really cool if you built a longer shaft and used a simple elastic band or a belt to drive a small simple load like a fan. Cool motor! Cheers, IC.
IcechickenSr 1 year ago
@IcechickenSr
Hello, The mill was from Grizzly. I think it was the G0619 also to be found as the Sieg Super X3. It's about a 400 pound machine and pretty decent for it's weight. Many convert it to CNC. The suspension of the Mendo motor is very free from friction but very touchy. Using any kind of drive system would probably not work at all. The motor is very low in torque and more a demonstration of solar magnetic principle more than anything.
thanks
John
DadHav 1 year ago
you do some of the coolest shit iv seen on youtube! been subscribed for few months now :D
andruha11234 1 year ago
@andruha11234
Thanks, Your welcome to hang around anytime. Them's some kickin speakers you have. Can you still here what I'm saying, or do I need to speak louder. Things have changed a lot since my old 1960's McIntosh stereo system. But mine is still kickin with some JBL 15's
DadHav 1 year ago
Wow! Great work!
OZNbc 1 year ago
You are very impressive guy! Did you work from plans or did you kinda dream this thing up yourself? Also I'm wondering where you got you credentials as a tool maker. Thanks in advance
Keep up the good work! You are a real inspiration!
bdrman2004 1 year ago
@bdrman2004
Thanks. I started a Tool & Die making apprenticeship in the early 60's But Grandpa Schilling had me running the lathe I work on now since I was around 12 years old. The lathe is a 1945 South Bend. The Idea of the motor is not really my own. I've seen versions of it and thought I'd like to give it a try. The base is just a little different than some of the others. I might make a noticeably different version of this a little later.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
Very nice design John! You always do amazing work. Makes me realize I still don't have enough equipment in my basement :)
Americankettler 1 year ago
@Americankettler
Funny, I always feel the same way.
John
DadHav 1 year ago
I just bought a solar oven. Next day no sun, we both stopped it from shinning, global cooling here we come all our fault!!! :-)
marthale7 1 year ago
@marthale7
I knew I'd be sure to screw it up but I didn't expect any help.
J
DadHav 1 year ago
Hey DadHav, I use PowerDirector 8 for HD video editing. It's very basic, but it handles HD workflow quickly and well. I have an Intel Q9400 quadcore system with 3GB RAM. My HD camera is the Canon HFS11.
wopwops0482 1 year ago
@wopwops0482
Sounds like you're doing well. I have Pinnacle Ultimate V12 and I would think it should do well but my processor must be way to slow. I have to edit on my notebook with a dual processor and 2 gigs ram. And man this is pains takingly slow even at HX definition. I could probably be doing something wrong as well. I'm not to smart about this. I could try the trial version of PD8 and see if it works any better. I'd appreciate anyone who wants to chime in on the subject.
J
DadHav 1 year ago
I wonder if this will go faster if you point mirrors to it? I appreciate what you do here, but can this work under a load like to charge a 12V battery...
joelito101 1 year ago
Joe, Probably not, because the light has to hit just the one side. Now a large Fresnel lens and look out baby!
J
DadHav 1 year ago
@DadHav Maybe a smaller version of a fresnel lens, like a 8x11 sheet size. a fresnel lens will cook it.
joelito101 1 year ago
@joelito101
Maybe a bigger one farther away. Enough to through lite over the whole area of the motor without incinerating it.
J
DadHav 1 year ago
hi my friend, i see much quality in your work, is a great creation....! thanks to share it...!
skycollection 1 year ago
@skycollection
Hey Jorge, Thank You, but I see more quality in your work.
John
DadHav 1 year ago