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  • from my understand, there is no gender problem in  god.

    quote mat13:34-35

  • @beensolongg It isn't a gender issue. It's an assigned-gifts issue. No female is ever given to be a pastor, per Bible. Only disgruntled women and uninformed Christians think otherwise. No rabbi was ever female, per Bible. Extensive documentation from Bible is in the video descriptions, of the NFP playlist. I'll make more videos on this in 2013, but the topic is so clear IN Bible, I shouldn't have to make any videos at all.

    Only sick people claim women can be pastors.

  • @brainouty well, i watched your presenttion.

    and i respect your perspective. if you stay on surface with you'll stuck on it.

    yeah, but, plz make more vids coming, love to watch them knowing various idea is my pleasure indeed.

  • This woman is a pastor, but tries to pretend otherwise. But certainly NOT a pastor for Jesus judging from the derogatory insults she dishes out. Shame, shame.

  • @anotheronem No, dummy, I am not trying to pretend otherwise. If you would bother to READ the channel page and this video's description, you'd know the difference.

    Amazing how stupid people confuse REPORTING with TEACHING. A reporter just reports. A teacher, by contrast, has a GROUP which BELONGS to him, and he regularly TEACHES them. That is never true in Bible, for a woman. Lots of women reporters in Bible. NO teachers.

    Oh well. Stupidity must have freedom, too.

  • @brainouty

    I read the channel page. You are trying to justify TEACHING< LEADING and CORRECTING others. That is pastoring.

    If on the other hand you had NOT shot such viscious vitriole invictives at passers by who made valid comments, then no one would question your channel. But ....because you cannot answer or refute their premise, you make horrible insults.

    I would say that has nothing to do with Christ and everything to do with insecurity.

    May God show you.

  • @anotheronem No, jackass, you didn't read, and you can't discern the difference between teaching and reporting, even though any sane person could tell you the difference.

    YOU think that any woman TALKING about Bible is teaching. NO. So, since you are so unable to think, reason, etc., this is my last reply to you. Unless you post anti-semitic remarks or spam my channel page, etc. per the blocking policy on that page, I will not block you. Drivel on...

  • @brainouty @brainouty

    Hmm, teaching and preaching are very similar matters. But you are "reporting". Then you cannot comment - for reporters are always NEUTRAL and just let their words STAND alone.

    But you lambast people if they do not AGREE with you. That is trying to teach them your interpretation of the bible, and on this medium that is considered a form of pastoring.

    1 John 4. why did you block coolwater? that person did not spam, you just could not answer the valid query.

  • False pastor. May God show you the way.

  • @coolwater55 Liar proven, you. You can't read even the Lord's Prayer correctly, which only says pray to FATHER.

    And since you spammed my channel page, though that page WARNS I WILL BLOCK FOR SPAMMING, my channel page you are blocked from commenting again. I made a note to that effect on the channel page, and let your spamming stupidity stand (for I also posted who is my pastor, as I did here, and you didn't read it).

    Stupid people never read!

  • 1 Timothy 3:1-2

    1It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

  • @awayoutmovement AMEN! THANK YOU THANK YOU Thank you for saving me time answering the horsey females commenting in this video who didn't even bother to read the video description, which already refuted their insane use of Bible.

  • 1 Cor 16:15-16 Romans 16:7. Junia Acts 21:8,9 Acts

    2:18

    Luke 2:36 Acts 18:18-26, Acts 11:4 Romans 16:3-5 Priscilla

    Col. 4:15 Nympha Phil 4:2-3 Euodia and Syntche

    Romans

    16:1-2 Phoebe Col. 4:15.Acts 16:14, 15 and

    40. Lydia

    Col 4:15 "Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, AND

    to Nympha and the CHURCH in her house."

  • FEMALE Church leaders in the bible - passages numbers below.

    YT audience if you are interested, then read those passages and perhaps it you have the time post to say what you believe they say.

    ie are these women considered leaders? in their churches

  • Oh and I am 55 too. ;) I have had bible classes, I have been in spiritual programs and taught scripture.

    And the thing I learned after 35 years is that God cannot be contained in a mere book, we can only get a sampling of God. Jesus - all He did and said and managed cannot be contained in all the books in the world.

    So- why do we restrict ourselves to the aprox 800,000 words in the bible, when we also rely on the LIVING GOD of today who is all powerful and omnipotent.

    God Bless.

  • @coolwater55 Whatever age you are in years, you proved yourself in spiritual kindergarten, and sloppy of homework, to boot. Demonstrated by, your NOT READING this video's description or 1NFP's, which already refuted your inaccurate claims. And the videos subsequent to this one, focus on some of those women.

    Grow up. People hung up on gender or ethnicity make lousy secular employees, and even worse spiritual ones. You've FLUNKED Bible101.

  • @brainouty

    Ah, I see - an arrogant fundamentalist.

    Sorry to say, you have not handled yourself in a Christian or teaching worthy manner. Perhaps YOU might re read the bible and read the scriptures I quoted. You did NOT debunk the FACT that JUNIA (JULIA) is an apostle.

    Nor that Priscilla, Lydia and others were church leaders. That is impossible, for the bible tells us that these women were leaders, deacons, prophetesses.

    We will let YT readers read those passages for themselves.

  • @brainouty

    You may want to actually read what I wrote and respond, rather than attacking me.

    You are preaching to us, correcting us, and telling us your version of the bible. That is excersising authority, being a pastor.

    If you want to be a pastor, go to a church that allows this.

    There are 1,000's of female pastors, preachers, ministers, and there are female Priests in the Anglican Church (who has far more criteria that many churches).

    Jesus sanctions this, why can't you?

  • @brainouty

    Further if you are so concerned about being labeled as taking on a role of pastor? why did you create a video to dispel that authority position and yet then take on the mantle of being a pastor or leader or one having authority to correct others.

    That is hypocricy.

    Either you believe your version of interpretation of the bible and that only men can pastor or not.

    If you believe only MEN can be pastors,then you should not be teaching or correcting on YT.

  • @brainouty

    ARe you still preaching or are you reconsidering what the bible says about women leaders. You could be a good female church leader if you opened your eyes and read the scriptures I quoted about female leaders.

    But to lean into denigrating women and their worth? then start trying to teach ME or others about your personal interpretation of the bible.

    Then use only insults to attack others instead of really praying to Jesus about this matter?

    We all pray. God Bless.

  • @coolwater55 JESUS INSULTED JACKASS FEMALES LIKE YOU, Luke 11:27. But you can't even READ it, like the rest of the Bible you misquote, refuted A YEAR AGO in my video description. So now go run off in a huff like the Luke 11:27 JACKASS did with her little coterie.

    Oh: JESUS SAID ONLY PRAY TO DAD, Lord's prayer. What an inept Bible reader you are, giving our gender a bad name, you petty, insecure, hypocrite female. Did I yet insult you enough? If not, just reply and I'll keep trying!

  • @brainouty

    Oh, sorry, I did not realize you were a Westboro Baptist Church member.

    May God have mercy on your soul. You are not a Christian to put such horrible insults to anyone on youtube.

    1 John 4

  • @brainouty

    Ah, Westboro Baptist Church member. Explains it all.

    May God have mercy on your soul.

  • Oh and did you bother reading all the scripture I quoted that has real female leaders listed in the bible, including Junia who was considered an apostle.

  • whats sadder than the men doing it is the women who continue the abuse to themselves and other women..very sad..I think God holds us just as accountable for it..its holding back and letting the devil win..anyone interested in the reality of the subject go to the website godswordtowomen

  • I think its you who likes to shoot your mouth and have no understandingor have relaly gone into fast and prayer as to even hear from God ..i feel sad for you..just little boys who have to keep someone down afraid they would rise above you..God gave women the biggest ministry in the world..emnity with satan..read genesis..talk to the hand coz no one is listening..if this were the 1800s it would be about voting..this is just another one of the devils attacks to keep women in the background

  • youre not asking God and youre qeunching the Spirit and whether youre a man or a woman you will be accoutnable for doing it and punished if you dont repent! speak for yourself..many women are called of God to minister and yes to pastor!

  • @fanoflittleman You wouldn't know the Bible if it bit you, as proven by the fact that you SHOOT OFF YOUR MOUTH absent any homework. The verses provided in NFP1 were extensive, spanning ALL THE ROLES OF WOMEN in the Bible. There isn't ONE WOMAN in the whole of the Bible given a pastoral role.  Not one. But then, you're absent any love for the Word. You only love your ego, as proven by your nickname. Good riddance.

    Christianity is plagued with jackasses like you.

  • @brainouty and I do know the word..I know there is more to it then attacking groups of people and actually having one on one relationship with God..not living to keep someone down as to feed my ego..have a nice day..

  • @brainouty 1 Cor 16:15-16 Romans 16:7. Junia Acts 21:8,9 Acts 2:18 Luke 2:36 Acts 18:18-26, Acts 11:4 Romans 16:3-5 Priscilla Col. 4:15 Nympha Phil 4:2-3 Euodia and Syntche Romans 16:1-2 Phoebe Col. 4:15.Acts 16:14, 15 and 40. Lydia Col 4:15 "Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, AND to Nympha and the CHURCH in her house."
  • @brainouty

    Your response is way out of line and highly disparaging - not sure a real Christian would be so ignorant to label or call names, just because a person disagreed with you.

    Women were most certainly leaders, deacons, prophetesses, and Junia is named as an apostle. Men try to explain it away with fancy talk, but it is plain as day.

    What did JESUS do? He allowed women in his entourage. He also gave a woman the role of being the first one to spread the good news. Namely Mary.

  • @brainouty

    Most certainly women can be leaders in church, schools, government and even the Anglican Church allows female priests.

    I believe that people wish to not learn or they wish to keep their heads in the sand about certain man made rules.

    Jesus btw, does not say women can or can't be teachers or leaders. Instead He continually defends and uplifts women and the less fortunate in society. If you quote St. Paul? He also said that ideally people should be celibate.

    God Bless.

  • brainouty, I am a man but I can appreciate the equality of women. It wasnt that long ago that women were not even allowed to vote. I just cant go along with a god that discriminates because of gender. Whether I see a woman in the UFC kicking some ass or doing other things that only men used to participate in, I have no problem what so ever. If I were a church goer a woman preacher would not be any different than a man. Muslims may have different opinions though.

  • Massdistortion, the role of a pastor has no more to do with the equality of the sexes than being a ballerina has to do with it. A man can never be a ballerina. The kind of dancing skills required, required a woman's body.

    Same for pastor. A woman can never be one. The kind of God-provided skills needed can never go to a female.

    Most men are not allowed to be pastors, either. Should they be miffed? No. Neither, any woman should feel sleighted. Those who are, betray that they want POWER.

  • @brainouty you are out of your mind...a woman isnt equipped to be a pastor? women have the biggest ministry since genesis..God gave Eve a ministry in the garden..emnity with the devil..we're supposed to use Christ as a model how to act in this life...that means having authority spiritually!

  • @brainouty

    1. There are male ballet dancers. The terminology is male or female ballet dancers. Perhaps you did not understand that both exist in ballet.

    Of course men can ballet dance. Perhaps you need to see a real ballet performance, Nureyev, Barischikov, Greg Hines etc.

  • @brainouty

    Tell us then how Genesis 1 and 2 severely contradict each other. Gen 1 has a very logical order of creation with male and female created in OUR image simultaeously and they were the LAST of all creative order.

    Gen 2 all of a sudden has a man on earth without animals or company? and he is lonely? It is a huge stretch to forget in one chapter than man and woman were created AFTER all else on earth and under the sea was created, and then man is lonely?

  • @brainouty

    We all know that women birth babies. Two accounts early on in the bible contradict each other severely, and were written centuries apart and had a specific agenda. To quash womens worth.

    Women did have worth and were actually leaders of their tribes and peoples back in those days. Male dominant tribes wanted to wipe out female leading tribes.

    What a shame that Jesus came to dispell the inequality of people and 2000 years later people are still perpetuating inequality.

  • @coolwater55 What a shame you can't read the Bible properly to think that it contradicts.

    Inequality of role does not mean inequality of person. Christ IS God but subordinates Himself to Father; so does Spirit.

    Humans need authority, hence the roles cannot be equal. Whenever women take on authorities they shouldn't, the society 'under' them, suffers. It has nothing to do with worth, but everything to do with appropriateness. Ballet dancers shouldn't be President, either.

  • @brainouty

    Then you just proved our point, my point.

    You are taking on the role of AUTHORITY to preach to me and teach me.

    I am very well read on the bible and have been blessed with indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is not a problem to discern and learn about scripture and about what it really means or what it REALLY says.

    Genesis 1 and 2 contradict each other as FACT with the order of creation. Read it for yourself. For you to deny it says a lot about your knowledge base.

  • @brainouty YOU have taken on a role of authority - teaching over others by trying to tell me I am in error. Whereas, I know I am not in error. So you contradict your own stance and your own belief system as to what JESUS asks of us.

    Show us where JESUS 9not paul) tells women they cannot preach. Jesus did not restrict who could share and deliver the good news. Instead the woman at the well is told to go and tell the good news of the living water. that is plain and simple - preaching!

  • I do not recommend you remove your videos. But you are being a hypocrit. As soon as you correct anyone - you take on the mantle of a pastor. Instead, you should be silent and not even post a video about faith, for it is unavoidable to not comment.

    Instead, you can give NO correction to anyone, much less a MAN. I suggest you follow your own belief system that you want to force (??really do you want this) others to obey your version for it is not from Jesus, but mere men who restrict.

  • @brainouty

    Oh and you are splitting hairs trying to defend your stance that you are a reporter and trying to describe what a pastor is.

    YOU are trying to steer and lead people with your interpretation of the bible.

    Ergo, you are preaching and correcting others. You may have to figure out how to relay your belief system, while only allowing a real Pastor to come on your video to respond to any form of correction.

  • I personally do believe you have a right to teach, but your teaching is the same as preaching. FYI. All the best.

  • brainouty The Bible teaches that all believers are "priests" (Rev. 1:6). Priest is the correct designation for one of God's ministers, not "Pastor." Pastor is from the Latin, which means " a herdsman, shepherd."

  • Yes, Dedicated30, aka Henok30, all of us are priests. Pastor is different, and in Greek is poimen kai didaskalos, in Eph4:11. That is a special teaching office, one man to one congregation, and no woman ever gets that office. Not in the OT, nor in the New.

    So 'priest' is NOT the right designation for pastor. That he also is a priest for himself as a believer, is an office every believer has.

  • Where in scripture does it state, "You will not grow spiritually until and unless you get under ONE male pastor?"

  • Ephesians 4:11-16, flamencokr. I don't have time to do videos on the exegesis right now, but I did it three ways, years ago in a webpage, RightPT(dot)htm, which is in the video description.

  • "YOU WILL NOT GROW SPIRITUALLY UNTIL AND UNLESS YOU GET UNDER ONE PASTOR"

    That sounds like the pick-up line that Ted Haggard used on the male prostitute as they were doing meth.

  • MassDistortion, Eph4:16 is cruder than that.  It uses two erstwhile-copulation verbs to describe the male pastor's role vis a vis his congregation. The verbs came to mean the FUNCTION of 'join' & 'fit' with stones or instruction; Paul uses both verbs to stress ONE pastor (analogy to one HUSBAND). My RightPT(dot)htm has the exegesis (penult link in vid desc).

    How can I do a public video on those verbs? Clearly, they stress no woman has the right 'parts' to 'husband' a congregation, k?

  • Intellectual??? You've got to be kidding! R.B. Thieme, Jr was a narcississtic nut. While he is very intelligent and says a lot of good things...he always manages to slip in some crazy statements. But his followers...called "Thiemeites"...are like cult members whom RB Thieme does not allow to think for themselves.

  • texbill, aha you're one of those dingdongs who never actually learned anything in Bible class, and want to blame the teacher.

    Anyone who actually hears the class material will be thinking of GOD, not the pastor, and will soon realize those attacking the pastor didn't actually HEAR what he said, even if sitting under him for years.

    I can read Bible myself in Hebrew and Greek due to being under him, as my videos show. So your claims against RB Thieme prove a laughable lie.

  • There is no pastor on earth other than Thieme who developed provable mechanics for the spiritual life. No one else comprehensively explained the meaning and purpose of the spiritual life and its impact on history. Which you can test.

    No one else made CLEAR how the Cross even worked, but Thieme.

    So he's what a NORMAL pastor should be. The rest of them are retards. Thieme, after all, alone read Bible well enough to know what was the Lord's BIRTHDAY.

    The rest? Retards!

  • @brainouty - RB was never a "pastor", he was a dictator who made up bizarre rules & interpretations of scripture to fool many like you. He demanded that he have no accoutability, he never made a hospital visit, did visitation, tended to the elderly, or did any other pastoral duties. He taught that the people of Berachah Church could only understand the Bible as he taught it. He thought Roe v. Wade was the greatest decision our country ever made. He was all a Cult leader could hope to be.

  • texbill, you never heard him teach, even if you attended the church, that's obvious. You also didn't notice my many LIVE exegetical videos, which demonstrate all your comments are bogus.

    Pity you didn't do your homework before posting again.

  • Finally, texbill, I know people AT the church, who claim to have sat under Thieme for over 20 years (one of them, over 36 years), yet can't articulate even one Bible class correctly. They sound just like you.

    Why people want to waste their time going to a church in order to badmouth its teacher, or coming to Youtube demonstrating how they learned nothing for all that time, baffles me. But hey: it's a free country.

    My videos show what can be learned. They are independent, from Bibleworks.

  • Like, lesson 43 of 1970 Daniel, about 14 minutes in, where the EQUALITY of learning Bible is transmitted THROUGH a male pastor, but then ANYONE who becomes spiritually adult, can then read Bible for himself. I am evidence of that.

    I really wish anti-Thieme people would do their homework before spewing. :)

  • @brainouty you want a youtube following not really concerned about what youre saying I think or what youre doing..youre helping the enemy..sad

  • texbill, now I'll switch sides and say something which seems to fit your comment.

    It is true that many under Thieme, especially AT the church, didn't listen well in Bible class and instead chose to make a cult object out of him. Even today that problem persists. So you have two fixated groups: those who are antagonistic to the man, like you; and those who fawn over him, like them.

    Both groups, are negative to Word. Or, still too young spiritually. In a word: retarded.

  • intellectual? you do know that is equatable to intelligence don't you? I watched a couple of your videos and highly disagree with your perception of yourself.

  • TheMassdistortion, the 'intellectual' label is what people call me. I don't call myself that. That's why I used the label.

  • I have mulled over ur emphasis on 1 Jn 1:9. Has it ever seemed strange to you that praise & petition parts of "the Lord's prayer" precede the confession of sin? As to the promise of wisdom in Jas 1, there is no confession of sin attached to it as a condition. In fact, it seems to me that the Jas 1 wisdom trust should precede the 1 Jn 1:9, as we need wisdom to recognize our sins and not confess non-sins in response to the accuser of the Brethren.

  • The Lord's Prayer is a guideline, not an actual prayer. Surely you know that from the Greek. James 4 is on the need to confess sin prior. You are a defiled temple in a state of sin, 1John1:7-10 makes that clear. Greek katharizw has a rich history in the OT for the purification of the Temple, and from sin, which was PER OCCURRENCE. Naming sins to God is as old as the OT sacrifices, see my 'Why we need 1John1:9' video for sample verses.

    Sans 1Jn1:9, you can't read Bible spiritually.

  • Since it is a guideline, it can be followed. The only reason why I know it cannot be prayed is that it has the useless prayer within "forgive us our debts." I say useless, because that is the pattern slot for confessing sin, like "I stole a pig at Joe's farm yesterday at 2PM and thus did not love my neighbor as myself." But to repeat "forgive us our sins" by itself is useless. One shud start,as in Isa w/ a view of God before a view of self. Always starting w/ 1 Jn 1:9 is not good.

  • Thunkful, yes, it is a useless prayer. But naming sins is a must. Often I don't remember what the sins were, so I just think something like, 'Dad! I sinned!' or whatever (phrasing varies, no formula, the idea is to ADMIT it). Works just fine.

    Try doing it for a week or two. Watch how suddenly you are a LOT smarter than before.

  • I suppose that most of us have unconfessed sins, not necessarily presumptuous sins. We may recall suddenly how that we sinned 10 years ago. But our main focus should be on the Lord, not on our sins. The old man flesh is ever a residence of sin (Rom 7; don't take mele to be mele of the body), and so far as I know it, this residency never ends until we die or are raptured. Confessing sin won't stop that. Thus, I don't think that sins dwells in our body, which is the Temple of the Holy Spirit.

  • Thunkful, I use 1John1:9 a bizillion times a day. I don't dwell on it, Paul writes Philippians 3:14 (another name sins verse).

    As for sin dwelling in the body, the sin nature (hamartia in the singular) is in the genes, Romans 5:12 (note the aorist tense there of hamartanw, so WHEN Adam sinned we all sinned), 1Cor15:22.

  • Thanks for the comparison stuff on Bible Works vs. Accordance. I am thinking that while "Brainouty" is fine for a screen name, it is not very good to use as an address.

    I hereby dub thee Priscilla, unless u object.

    "ἀκούσαντες δὲ αὐτοῦ [masc!] Πρίσκιλλα καὶ Ἀκύλας προσελάβοντο αὐτὸν καὶ ἀκριβέστερον αὐτῷ ἐξέθεντο τὴν ὁδὸν [τοῦ θεοῦ]."

  • LOL call me anything you want, Thunkful, except late to supper. I like the name brainout, because it reminds to use 1John1:9. :)

  • I'll have to give some thought to ur view of how to use 1 John 1:9. I Jn 1:9 shud happen ASAP whenever we sin. But I wud use James 1:5-6 Εἰ δέ τις ὑμῶν λείπεται σοφίας, αἰτείτω παρὰ τοῦ διδόντος θεοῦ πᾶσιν ἁπλῶς καὶ μὴ ὀνειδίζοντος καὶ δοθήσεται αὐτῷ. 6 αἰτείτω δὲ ἐν πίστει μηδὲν διακρινόμενος· [etc.

  • Thunkful, I'm jealous you can get Greek text to display. I can't do that. :)

    Yes, James 1:5-6 ties in nicely, but obviously works only when between sins (no katharizw, so temple is defiled).

    I tried to explain that in my James 2 exegesis playlist, the last 12 videos of which map both Greek and English. See also labwn in 2Peter1:9, which is neglected (misread) in translation. Also Psalm 32:5, 66:18.

  • I wonder why the Byzantine text family uses ouk instead of me in James 1:5. Usually it's the other way around, the later manuscripts substituting me for an earlier textual ouk (I learned that from Bauer Danker lexicon). Else the text families are identical (excluding punctuation), in BibleWorks.

    Greek me denies the idea, ouk denies the fact, and James -- oh, not only does James play with anarthrous versus monadic, but ouk versus me (compare v.7 with v.17)! THANK YOU, Thunkful!

  • To get Greek to post, I set Accordance preferences Greek/Hebrew to "export text with unicode format." Hebrew does not come out real well:So starts the Bible: ‏בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית . When I do this w/ YouTube, the character counter tells me I have room, but the when I try to post Greek or Heb, it acts like I have written much more than I have. So it cuts the post length a lot. I have to post to u in Greek so u can't say it was translated wrong!

  • LOL Thunkful, if you have to go to that much trouble, just cite the verse rather than print it. I don't want you hurting, to post!

  • Thunkful, are there two of you posting to me? Seems like two different people, alternating.

  • Perhaps u think of urself as having a gift of helps. What is wrong in the translation of καλοδιδασκάλους? That word means teachers (of the good). We all have a duty to love, but I don't know of a verse that singles this out as a specifically wife-duty. Fondness and respect are quite different. Other subject: did u know that J Vernon McGee is on YouTube? Should I pray for u because of all those women subscribers that u can't dump? LOL

  • I agree that women may not be elders or pastors. But the Bible tells older women to train the younger women to be fond of (not "love") their husbands. I have no objection to women teaching, just teaching men in the Church. Go preach on the street if you have the gift of evangelism & you are so disposed. If you have the gift of teaching, teach women & children.

    You are teaching on the web; I have no objection, it does not put authority over men; if they listen, it isn't ur fault.

  • Thunkful, I account and audit and demonstrate what's in the Bible, it's NOT teaching in any form whatsoever.  It's a form of witness, maybe even a form of speeding someone else's research (saving time, when they see sources).

    Anyone can evangelize, we are all thus commanded. I just disclose information. The reader is expected to VET it, since I am a woman and thus have no authority.

    A pastor has a right to be taken at face value, if someone is under him. Male. Gifted. THAT is the difference.

  • You don't think that t older women shud teach t younger women to be fond of their husbands? The authority comes from t conviction of t Holy Spirit. No matter who teaches, the audience should be noble Bureans, searching t scripture 2 confirm what t teacher said.

    Not that you are a viejo - LOL - but do U have a training video on how a woman who may love her husband (yet can't stand him) can work up fondness 4 him? Ps from memory: The Lord gave the word, the women who proclaim it R a great host.

  • Well, Thunkful, it's true that women have teaching roles, but not as pastors of churches. True too, that one should always check Scripture, that's why I audited what my pastor taught during the last 8 years (had a sudden windfall of time and money, both of which are now ending).

    You don't respect your pastor if you don't audit what he teaches, for how can he really convey all he knows in such a short time, 1 hour a day?

    But my role on the team is strictly accounting, disclosure, research.

  • Now to your other question, Thunkful, the business about women teaching other women to love/be fond of their husbands. That verse is mistranslated too, sorry. Respect is the highest form of love, Greek phobew, you know its semantic range.

    I've never been married so I can't teach this, except that the husband is a paradigm of Christ, so she should love him the way she loves Christ. No exceptions. Again, though, my slot on the team isn't related to women's issues. Only Bible.

  • Frankly, Thunkful, I'm being used to save time for seminary students and other people who want to account for Bible doctrines. They don't have the long history of access I've had, so I guess that's why God keeps directing them to 'my' stuff.

    Doesn't mean they agree with me at all. It's not about agreeing with me, it's about the methodology. Kinda like organizing a house. :)

  • where did your pastor get his education (if any)...

  • Arizona State and Dallas Theological Seminary.

  • The serpent said, "Did God really say that a woman should not teach a man? Of course not. Here, take! Munch away. "

    The few woman pastors I have come across were driven by subjectivity. No real man would submit to her. God wants to give men who would follow such woman a fighting chance of becoming a real man by preventing her from taking the reigns. Such men under a solid pastor teacher could at least have the hope of grace and truth transforming them into a real man over time.

  • True, genemz5, and no real woman made by Bible Doctrine would want to claim to be a pastor, either. So only women made by false doctrine make such a silly claim.

    Women can be witnesses, even technically proficient witnesses, accountants, any position which ASSISTS but itself is not an authority over a man. No real woman would want authority over a man; she enjoys, rather, to be an assistant. :)

  • Now, in secular affairs, if a woman is an owner she MUST have & exercise, authority over what she owns. (That is a hard lesson for me to accept.)

    Since God ultimately controls who owns what, property/business I own means God wills it -- until He takes it away.

    So if I must hire a man to handle it (due to being unmarried), I must retain authority & hence responsibility.

    Still, the man acts for an owner, and gender matters not.

    Pastors don't own their congregations. So only men are pastors.

  • unmarried?? did you take a vow to stay single or what?

  • LOL jesseakers, no I didn't take any vow. It's up to God when and if I should marry. I learned that doctrine in my 20's. If He wants that to happen, He can make it clear. So far He's kept me too busy to even date. :)

  • i m in my 20's right now- would be amazing to run into a girl as concerned with godly things as you are...

  • Then you will run into her, jesseakers. :) There's a right place to be, a right job, a right teacher and a right spouse, etc. in God's Plan for each believer. Just keep on asking Him, and He'll lead you into each one. :)

  • your church record its teachings and sermons? i mean like up to date recording? could have a great youtube ministry to reach people without going thru all the hassle of making dvds and such by putting it right up on youtube... something to think about...

  • jesseakers, the lessons are available on mp3 without money. The pastor died two weeks ago. I already have all the lessons over the past 53 years (well, nearly all).

  • i ve seen that, and i think thats epic- i want to get into so much right now i dont know where to begin- i ve been going thru a Romans commentary by a pastor who brought me into the word thru his radio ministry- Chuck Missler- on Romans--- I was only mentioning youtube as a way for your current pastor to get more stuff out there for free to a larger audience ( if they see good from you they will be drawn to his channel)

  • Well, my pastor decided long ago not to go the public promotion route. Missler learned some stuff from Hal Lindsay, who used to be under my pastor. Small world, huh.

    The Romans series from my pastor,(1977?) is 4 years long, 7x per week, full line by line exegesis -- because you go through the whole Bible, to exegete any one passage. I still can't find anything like it on the internet, so that's why I didn't change pastors.

  • dang. Where would you recommend i start?

  • Hmmm, jesseakers. Start with the 1969 Basics, then probably go to Romans. But ask God first, because I'm guessing -- He will know for sure. Read the catalog and ask God at the same time. He's real good at riveting your attention to what He wants, if you keep using 1John1:9 the meanwhile.

    LOL I just figured out why scholars screw up on the Book of Mark -- this has bugged theologians for CENTURIES -- all because I used 1John1:9 and simply ASKED God. :)

  • You are a teacher if God wants you to be a teacher, regardless of your sex. Here you are, teaching to the world. If it wasn't God's will, you wouldn't be allowed to do it. By the way, your paster doesn't run things here; God does. And here you are, teaching away.

    Admit it. You are a teacher. A teacher is one who teaches. You should learn not to limit what God can do, and who He can call to be a teacher.

  • No, 46don13, I am a witness. Big difference. A teacher has AUTHORITY and you can accept what HE says at face value, though you should first test whether he's got the requisite authority from God.

    By contrast, a witness is to be tested at all times, and must present EVIDENCE in Bible, and IT -- never the witness -- is alone the Authority.

    So I'm no teacher. No woman is.

  • You can split language hairs if you want, but there are some people who have learned a concept for the first time from you, not a paster with authority. If they gain a testimony of the truthfulness of the teaching, adhere to it and is bless by their obedience, you can say you're not a teacher all day, but I don't think it'll matter.

    You opened a can of worms: where does authority come from; how is it tested?

  • 46don13, of course people will learn a concept for the first time from me; they also learn one for the first time from YOU. It's called 'sharing'. I learned lots of things about Windows from other users. Fellow students compare homework, too. :)

    But from a Windows TEACHER, I learn the whole realm of Windows. If a Bible teacher, God first will establish his authority to BE my teacher. Then I'm to sit under him or be spanked, Eph4:11-16. For God uses THAT man as 'my' conduit. (Cont. in B)

  • B. So notice how the authority is an ATTESTATION from God. You ask God (using 1John1:9 or your prayer goes no higher than the ceiling) -- 'who is my right pastor'? Then He shows you, and woe betide you if you don't get under him.

    See the difference? If not, yell at me. :)

  • This works for lots of things. God will lead you to a loaf of bread using the same attestation formula, if you ask of Him. I find a lot of truth in your "witnessing" that I don't see in other Christian denominations. Why does your paster have access to this information, but others who also claim authority, do not, and therefore teach many things that are amiss, or leave out much truth?

  • 46don13, my pastor insisted on teaching Bible from the original-languages of Scripture. So that's how I learned to read Bible myself in those texts. BibleWorks is of immense help -- what would have taken my pastor MONTHS to research, now takes me only five minutes.

    But bear in mind, I've been under him for DAILY Bible classes for 39 years (not 35, I think I misspoke in the video). So that accounts for the differential in understanding. See his site for more info, rbthieme(dot)org .

  • Brain,

    No problem...as I said on the other "eis" video...I thank you for your teaching, there and here.

  • Brainouty,

    Good stuff.

    I would have assumed wrongly since you are so knowledgeable that you'd uphold the "no women pastors" thing, that you'd somehow make it ok.

    Bravo for being true to the word especially in a circumstance such as yours (obviously original language training) where it must be hard to not succumb to the temptation to be proud and elevate yourself...

  • Hey, rpavich, it's no temptation at all. The training received under my MALE pastor is thus shown for anyone to realize he can get the same information. Look how you know about eis chaining, too!

    So there are many good pastors in the world, now. Privilege, to be under them!

  • rpavich, I can't thank you enough for making your initial comment. Women subscribe to me and think me a pastor -- that's one of the reasons I made this video. Youtube will no longer allow the channel owner to DE-subscribe people, so I cannot stop their subscriptions.

    But now I have your wonderful comment to 'reply' on, and avow yet again -- NO FEMALE PASTORS are sanctioned by the Holy Word of God! I won't bother to argue the verses with them. God will do that.

    Thank you again!

  • I grew up under the Colonel. I disagree with the defined role of females. Melissa Scott - fantastic example!

    She leads, instructs, trains many in Christ.

    In my heart of hearts, filled to the brim with the Spirit and with utmost Love, I can say this:

    The Lord would never place a limit based on gender of those whom he has called to be at the right place, at the right time, to spread his perfect message.

  • A. MeridianPsi, then you did not learn well under the Colonel. For the Colonel has stridently taught for over 50 years that the woman is EQUAL in spiritual development potential to the man. But the pastoral authority role is a societal thing, and devolves only to the male.

    So no one who claims a female pastorate is mature, and no one will mature under a female pastor. Much can be learned, of course: but maturation will not occur except under a male pastor. (Cont. in B.)

  • B. Eph 4:11-16 & esp. v.16 in Greek, is unequivocal about this. Further, rabbis were always & only male. See also Timothy.

    It's a societal thing, not a statement of inequality. Hierarchy in society does not mean the persons are unequal. The ROLES are unequal for the functioning of the TEAM.

    The theology in my websites +videos is more advanced than you can usually find on the internet, so I'm proof that women aren't unequal. But I'm NOT a pastor. No woman is. Ever.

  • It's quite a leap to turn a disagreement of what I consider Bob's opinion into failure to learn ... but you are entitled to your opinion as well. To prove my ability to be instructed (by anyone male or female) please provide the evidence of the "no female clause" in your NT verses... I'll have my Koinne handy... and open mind ready!

  • It's a bigger leap for YOUR opinion to be more valid than Bible, + to make what the Colonel PROVED from Bible into merely his opinion.

    Paul in Timothy is unequivocal, i.e., "I will not permit a woman to teach", 1Tim2:12. Eph 4 is unequivocal that it's MALES only, + the fact rabbis were only males, + the MALE rules re pastors in Timothy (i.e., 1Tim3:2,12, Ti 1:6).

    Yet YOUR OPINION consigns all that SCRIPTURE to Thieme's opinion? LOL he isn't God. Quite a leap you make. Bye, Tit 3:10-11.

  • Paul (ibid.) also tells women to learn in silence.

    The word didaskō is understood to mean:

    a) to impart instruction

    b) instill doctrine into one

    c) the thing taught or enjoined

    d) to explain or expound a thing

    f) to teach one something

    How is this different from what you are doing here? What about the second part of the verse that says for a woman to learn in silence?

    Do you see this as applicable only pastor-teach or teacher? Herratic? Really? Jn 13:35.

  • Every woman has the duty to witness to Bible. That's all I do. That is NOT didaskw -- you are not defining the word as Scripture does.

    Since you cannot tell the difference between an educated witness and teaching with authority, then our discussion is over. I tried saying twice already. I will not respond to you again.

  • Not my definition; rather, the same concor. I've used since prep school. KoK and LoL is my witnessing tool. FTMV sustained me thru 2 tours in Iraq, 1 in AFG.

    No personal afront given or implied!

    ICE method is my means for studying the Word of God.

    The Word isn't returned in void. The vessel doesn't matter (Balaam). Theime nixed hats in Berachah -do woman not pray? No!

    Dialog with a fellow believer in Christ shouldn't be met with antagonism.

    Witness is teaching - go ye therefore and...

  • It is not about becoming a 'man/woman hybrid' but about developing both your anima and amimus.About transcending gender rather than about exclusive specialisation.Depth of human experience can only come through flexibility/letting go.The most able/useful female spiritual teachers are those who have uncovered their decisiveness, boldness and clarity of spirit whilst at the same time further uncovering the accessible emotions of the heart. With love to you all in Christ.

  • Oh I love this woman, It's uncommon today do you discover a woman who is not only extremely intelligent, but is also truly a woman, and not a man/woman hybrid? I don't want to be a woman/man hybrid either!

    God bless you dear. You are always saying things that make people think.

  • I understand that your position is dogmatic. There is the need to transcend the Bible on this issue (transcend means to include). The highest authority is the Christ heart. The Buddha warned us to be a 'light unto ourselves' for a reason. Jesus would have taught the same since wisdom is wisdom. Allow your heart to guide you on this. The problem may not lie with women. Is it not better to shift our focus to the insecurities of the male?.

  • No, norris. Sorry, but Christ is God and man Who in His Humanity paid for the sins of the world. You are to get His Heart which is the Word of God, since He is the Word of the Cross. No other way, except through Him. Siddartha didn't even believe in a personal God, but a life force. After Christ came, Buddhism tried to copy Christianity to get adherents, resulting in bodhisattvas and Mayahana Buddhism.

    Buddhism is all about self being one's own God. Totally antithetical to the truth.

  • Yes, the connection between satan, ancient religions, and humanism is crystal clear to the well-informed Christian. Amen!

  • I agree... I mean Christianity was the first religion to have women officials in the Church, and the first to talk about the value of women in its original texts....

  • I am gently hinting that women SHOULD be allowed to be pastors.Today there are many wonderful female spiritual teachers.Jesus wisely hesitated to allow any women to present themselves as teachers. This was due to the rigid male dominated culture of the time which would unfortunately not have allowed for this to work in practice.The Buddha also hesitated for the same reason to ordain women as nuns and only changed his mind after his closest disciple Ananda begged him to do so.

  • norris, women shouldn't be pastors. A real woman wouldn't have a problem with that very clear Bible Doctrine. A woman who thinks that authority is only about status so deems herself 'unequal' unless equal in status, is too insecure to be a good teacher and should just keep quiet.

  • Mary Magdalene and Martha received intimate teachings of the higher truth from a compassionate AND NON DISCRIMINATING Jesus. Truth is always inclusive and paradoxical.

  • Yes, that's true, norris. So it's no threat that women aren't given to be pastors. Women have other roles. Witnesses to what's in Bible, and even at a sophisticated level many pastors don't understand. So the woman is no threat to them, but a kind of "hey, look what you can be learning and then teaching" witness.

    Best of all (imo) the Authority is solely BIBLE. So the words bear only HIS Authority, never one's own.

  • You can teach other women you just cant reach men. So just dedicate your videos to women.

  • sixthheretic, I don't teach. I witness. You need to read the Bible more to find out what the roles of women are. It's not even right for a woman to teach Bible to other women. By contrast, since God gave me the computer directly via a janitor named Jesus (see the Luigi video), I know it's okay for me to witness to what's in Bible UNDER MY MALE PASTOR.

    Hope this clarifies things for you.

  • Scripture seems to disagree.

    Jer.9

    [20] Yet hear the word of the LORD, O ye women, and let your ear receive the word of his mouth, and teach your daughters wailing, and every one her neighbour lamentation.

    Tit.2

    [3] The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

    [4] That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

  • No, You are claiming I'm claiming to be a teacher, which the video itself refutes. The very title, "NO FEMALE PASTORS" should have alerted you to the fact I'm NOT claiming to teach. So YOU create a claim, and then YOU create Scripture to back up YOUR claim, which I refuted IN the video. 

    As said in my last comment to you, I am a WITNESS, and that's NOT teaching. Everyone else seemed to grasp that fact, but you.

    Good bye. You can't read Bible, and you can't read Video titles, either.

  • The Jeremiah passage you cite is NOT saying women should teach BIBLE.  Read it again, but use 1Jn1:9 FIRST, as you're not reading it properly because you're not in the Spirit.

  • According to scripture you can teach women. but you must remain silent in the church. The only time a woman can speak in the church is for prophesy or interpretation of tongues. and no were does it say that a woman can talk to a man for witnessing sake.

  • But don't u think that men need to check 'em out for heresy? What are we going to do if we accidentally get edified? Throw away the spiritual lesson?

    Ps 68:11 possible translation:

    "The Lord gave the word: great was the army of the women who published it."

    Now you should accept this since a man is writing it.

  • LOL Thunkful, good rejoinder, 'Now you should accept this since a man is writing it.'

    Okay, and the men who translated Psalm 68:11 translated it with polus, heh.

    Even a woman knowing the Word has something worth hearing. That's not teaching, though. :)

  • You too, issam1amare! I just moved back a month ago. Took me a month to get situated, lol. If you're looking for the church, it's at the corner of Sage and Alabama, surrounded by fancy hotels. Church was built back when that area was a cow pasture. :)

  • Merry Christmas and Happy New year brainouty!:)

  • You too, lovejesusplz! Sorry I've not been watching videos as I should, in the move to Texas I got behind! When tax season ends I'll have more time to view your wonderful videos!

  • Good to hear from yah. You definitely don't look 55! :)

    -Do you already have a video pertaining to women being pastors?

    Much Thanks,

    Have a very merry Christmas!

  • Hey, SavedTru8, you have a Merry Christmas too! I have made comments on women not being pastors in other videos, but never made a video on it specifically. Here I'm not actually explaining that doctrine, either. Just wanted to let folks know I'm not violating it. Should I make a video on the topic? Seems like most people know the doctrine already.

  • Well maybe brainout doesn't look so old because of 1 John 1:9 and using HIS brains:

    Psalm 103:5 - "Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's."

    Sometimes it takes faith and not forgetting God's benefits; Moses died in a very good condition, his sight was still perfect and did not fade away.

  • We missed you! Glad to hear that you're up the road. I'm in Dallas. Thanks for making vids.

  • Thank you, beloved hsleepy97, I missed you too. Gotta catch up on my video watching over the holidays. I'll try not to flood with my comments! Happy Christmas to you!

  • Happy Christmas for you too! In case your interested, I finally had the guts to post my testimony. I look forward to hearing from you soon.

  • I am interested, hsleepy! Haven't had time to go through my subscriptions since late October, so will look for it.

  • I also was a student of RB Thieme Jr. for over 20 years.

  • hey, edwardpf123. Glad for you!

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