@LongBean420 I wouldn't be able to tell you as I'm not from Canada but I would try hardware stores first. You could also try online. H2SO4 is actually one of the easier chemicals to obtain.
Nice demo. Nice electrodes dude. It would be cool if they were coin holders: so you can watch your money, LOL. Thanks for taking the time to explain your videos and the clairity of the vids. David A. Puchta check out what i am into.
thair rings that people that cant fight were them so wen thay do get in that one punch he has spiked rings on so it hurts the other person alot just for pussis
"they are rings, that people fight with, they wear them so when they get in that one punch (knock out punch) he has spikes on his rings so it hurts the other person more, they are just for pussies"
BTW Zeek, get a live, i find them cool :) (just thought id clear that up)
@metalicmario In english he's saying "those rings are for people who can't fight; so when they do get that one punch in he's got spiked rings on so it hurts the other person alot. they're just for pussies."
@metalicmario He's saying that the rings on your fingers are used by people that don't know how to fight -- so that when said individual happens to get in a fight, all they have to do is land a single punch which will cause a lot of damage -- they are for pussies (zeek's words, not mine). Nice video, btw.
Great vid but just 1 thing PEOPLE WITH THIS METHOD YOU MUST & I MEAN YOU MUST CONDENSE THE HELL OUT OF THE NITRIC OR YOU WILL HAVE A TREMEDOUS AMOUNT OF SALT IN YOUR SOLUTION. Otherwise a great technique for making nitric Atleast 3 or more times in the freezer in different jars I can't fucking belive the amount of salt that is left & I followed the directions to the letter.
@Kilooscarromeo I am using sodium nitrate & 93% sulphuric acid the highest percent i could get. I wonder if that is the reason why i got so much salt left, it is only 5.0 off i think at the very least the nitric acid produced will be a little below 50% by using 93% sulphuric?
@Kilooscarromeo You're 100% correct. You will find that in recovery and refining of precious metals, experimentation is how you will discover newer and better techniques for all your processes. In this video I had already deviated from the original formula using less sodium nitrate than called for. This was because of the excessive amount of salt you mentioned. I now use only 600 grams of sodium nitrate and 200ml of acid and get alot less salt. I now only have to condense once. Try this out.
@metalicmario Thank you very much for repling. If I use 600mg of Sodium Nitrate will the outcome be less than 50% nitrate, I think it will? Also, will using the 93% sulphuric acid most likely contribute to a less potent Nitrate acid? Anyway it was the 1st time i did this & experimentation is the key. I had 6lbs of fingers & some i486 processors put into the nitrate & in the morning had a bottom of jar full of salt mixed in with the fingers. what a mess so I left it for a week & it did remove
@Kilooscarromeo a lot of the gold. So, next time i do this i will use 600mg & condense more, just to make sure. I got 21grams of gold 1st time I don't think that so bad. Except i had to do a lot of picking finger pieces & wipe some of the gold off sort of rinsing. Here in Canada Nitrate acid is expensive like $150.00 a liter & it is 70% & a whole lot of what are you going to do with it.Appartly you can't get more than 4 liters at a time. If you want more your going to have to a lot of paper work
@Kilooscarromeo out of the 21 grams of gold i got, I still have to do the Aqua Regia. Which probably will bring it down like maybe 15 to 18 grams of gold . Although it will be something like 99.5% pure gold. I like the tech & you can make a lot of Nitrate acid & save a lot of money here in Canada. Thankx again those rings you have are they 22 carat or better.
@Kilooscarromeo The 600g NaNO3 200ml H2SO4 formula will give you just as strong acid as using 700 grams of NaNO3. There is also no need to use anything stronger than what you can buy at the hardware store for H2S04. I use rooto drain opener. I cut the amount of NaNO3 down because it was simply too much. That is where all the salt comes from. I'm guessing the original formula was from a less pure NaNO3 therefore needing much more to get 50% acid. I use 98-99% pure found on ebay. continued below
The seller is dudadiesel and he sells the purest and best NaNO3 I've ever found for a very fair price.For fingers you should use either the AP method or straigt AR. Using nitric to separate the foils from the fingers is a waste really. HCL is much cheaper so using it with H202 or a little nitric is much more efficient. As far as condensing you may only have to do it once now(maybe twice). Just make sure you condense it enough so the salt is a hard structure. Easily done in Canada :D Rings r 14k
@metalicmario What would be the nitric acid concentration if use 200ml sulfuric? would it be below 50% ?
I'm about to try what you suggested.I'm just doing fingers & processors. You mentioned that there are easier methods of course than using nitric called it a waste for this? But, using nitric gets rid of base metals to start with. I need the nitric anyways to make AR.May i asked what would be the concentrations for AR. Nitric? hydochloric? I know its 3:1 some say 4:1 i'll go with the 3 to 1.
@Kilooscarromeo Its hard to say as this method is not precise. There are too many variables such as nitrate purity, amount of water used, amount of H2SO4 used, concentration of H2SO4, temperature etc. I lowered the amount of nitrate because of the excessive salt left at the end. Therefore I also lowered the amount of H2SO4 used. But the amount of water used remained the same. You have to experiment to find what works best for you. For alternative methods in processing fingers go to the forum.
@metalicmario Did 500mls of the process last night .It worked out good.Less sodium sulfate.I notice when i poured the sulfuric acid into solution there wasn't much of a reaction at about 25mls at a time.Seems to be more solution then last time.I think i got it good this time of course with your help which i really appreciate.You make very good vids. I was amazed on the hydrogen peroxide, ethylene glycol & nitric solution for cutting down on vapors. Thank you very much metalicmario
@Hume820 You are correct. They are not as heat resistant as Pyrex and other borosilicate glass. They are however made to withstand some degree of heat. In refining you can use many non lab quality glass vessels to accomplish many processes. The key is to control thermal shock. You can avoid thermal shock by never putting hot vessels/liquids onto/into cold surfaces and vice versa. Always gradually heat and cool your vessels and liquids. Stay away from non treated glass like mason jars.
Do you make your own HCL? Is there an easy way to buy it? I have been looking on goldrefiningforum and can't seem to find anything. Thanks again for all of your help.
@sentryclothes You're much better off buying it. And no need for lab grade purity. You can get HCL from places like lowes and home depot. It is under the name muriatic acid. wwwdotlowesdotcom/SearchCatalogDisplay?storeId=10151&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&N=0&newSearch=true&Ntt=muriatic+acid (replace dot with . in the url)Dont get the "Safer" brand though as I think it has all kinds of buffers in it that can skew your results.
Thanks for the upload. I am currently reading Hoke and have an entire lab full of equipment being shipped to me as I write this. However, Hoke only gives directions for using Pure Nitric Acid and Pure HCl. How do you adjust for 50% Nitric and commercial grade (38%) HCl when making Aqua Regia?
You should use the same amount as is needed using 70% nitric. Then if you need additional nitric add it. You will learn however, that most of us dont premix the nitric and HCL. Its better to add the acids in increments. Some add the entire amount of HCL needed and then add the nitric in small increments. Others add both the HCL and nitric in small increments to the material that needs to be digested. I prefer the latter. Using one these methods can save you on acids.
I heard of using ammonium nitrate instead of sodium nitrate but have never tried it. What are the ratios of water to nitrate?
As far as using no water. This would require a distillation setup which not everyone has. This vid is meant to instruct on how to make a fair amount of acid in a short amount of time without distillation.
For precious metal recovery/refining 35% nitric is all thats needed for most applications. So you can buy 70% and cut it in half with water or produce this 50% like in this video. 50% is more than enough for most of what I do. If you would like to see how to make much more pure acid go to frosh455 vid.
If you boil a nitrate like sodium nitrate in only sulphuric acid the nitric acid produced will be in gas form called NOx. Its an extremely corrosive and toxic gas that is 100% nitric. It has to be condensed and collected to put it into liquid form. Its like when you boil a pot of water with a lid on it. The water that condenses on the bottom of the lid is pure water.
Again, please watch frosch455 video to see what I'm talking about.
@frosch455.thank you for info. kno3 is easier to get though. but i must say metalicmario is way more uptown than me.i use lantern glass tubes of various lengths and widths wedged into each other and into a coffee pot where i cook the concoction.i seal all joints with teflon tape and wait til it condenses in a jar i put at the end.but oddly most of condensation occurs close to the heat source.unfortunately the amount i can distill is small to avoid boiling into the
This formula and technique is used by many people to make nitric for refining precious metals. They all say it works wonderfully. If you havent noticed there are people linking off of this video. Do you do any precious metal refining? Can you please give us the link to YOUR video on making nitric acid? I cant seem to find it among your zero uploaded videos. Maybe we could all learn something.
no its not. i think i might have mentioned that in the forum somewhere. anyway liquid fire is NOT 98% pure but since it doesnt need to be 98% pure it can still be used. i have since been using rooto drain opener with better results. but again liquid fire is just fine!
potassium nitrate is heavier than sodium nitrate mol per mol; that messes up your result and you're decreasing efficiency. you need more kno3 per mol of sulfuric than you would nano3. expiriment--try increasing the amount of kno3 you use
where in canada can i find sulfuric acid?
LongBean420 1 week ago
@LongBean420 I wouldn't be able to tell you as I'm not from Canada but I would try hardware stores first. You could also try online. H2SO4 is actually one of the easier chemicals to obtain.
metalicmario 1 week ago
can Hydrochloric acid be used instead of sulphuric acid
theminiscientist88 4 weeks ago
@theminiscientist88 No. That would be making a form of Aqua Regia known as poor man's AR.
metalicmario 4 weeks ago
Nice demo. Nice electrodes dude. It would be cool if they were coin holders: so you can watch your money, LOL. Thanks for taking the time to explain your videos and the clairity of the vids. David A. Puchta check out what i am into.
Hhydrogen4Power 1 month ago
THE TRUE LORD OF RINGS... lol... acid version
Ichhasse 1 month ago
i made it the way you showed exactly and the shit didint desolve silver what the hell man
joejoewhatwatt 2 months ago
thair rings that people that cant fight were them so wen thay do get in that one punch he has spiked rings on so it hurts the other person alot just for pussis
zeek19961 4 months ago in playlist More videos from metalicmario
@zeek19961 I have no clue what you wrote.
metalicmario 4 months ago 6
@metalicmario brass nuckles so mess the other person you fight
zeek19961 4 months ago
@metalicmario i think he wrote:
"they are rings, that people fight with, they wear them so when they get in that one punch (knock out punch) he has spikes on his rings so it hurts the other person more, they are just for pussies"
BTW Zeek, get a live, i find them cool :) (just thought id clear that up)
ShortCircuitSupply 4 months ago
@metalicmario In english he's saying "those rings are for people who can't fight; so when they do get that one punch in he's got spiked rings on so it hurts the other person alot. they're just for pussies."
Devorvan 2 weeks ago
@zeek19961 I still have no clue what you are saying. But thanks for your comments.
metalicmario 4 months ago
@metalicmario He's saying that the rings on your fingers are used by people that don't know how to fight -- so that when said individual happens to get in a fight, all they have to do is land a single punch which will cause a lot of damage -- they are for pussies (zeek's words, not mine). Nice video, btw.
chaosaxis 1 month ago
DEVO rings!!! You can wip IT
jaws99099 5 months ago in playlist More videos from metalicmario
you can take a kettle apart just keep the bottom intact ..theres your hotplate kids...lol
sheradonssheradons 8 months ago
condensation is bringing a subtance to the liquid phase from the gas phase. the word youre looking for is precipitation.
jeremiahswee 9 months ago
lol he is showing off whit his rings
GunOfDeath13 10 months ago
dude, lol, wtf are those things on your fingers
asp004 1 year ago 21
Great vid but just 1 thing PEOPLE WITH THIS METHOD YOU MUST & I MEAN YOU MUST CONDENSE THE HELL OUT OF THE NITRIC OR YOU WILL HAVE A TREMEDOUS AMOUNT OF SALT IN YOUR SOLUTION. Otherwise a great technique for making nitric Atleast 3 or more times in the freezer in different jars I can't fucking belive the amount of salt that is left & I followed the directions to the letter.
Kilooscarromeo 1 year ago
@Kilooscarromeo I am using sodium nitrate & 93% sulphuric acid the highest percent i could get. I wonder if that is the reason why i got so much salt left, it is only 5.0 off i think at the very least the nitric acid produced will be a little below 50% by using 93% sulphuric?
Kilooscarromeo 1 year ago
@Kilooscarromeo You're 100% correct. You will find that in recovery and refining of precious metals, experimentation is how you will discover newer and better techniques for all your processes. In this video I had already deviated from the original formula using less sodium nitrate than called for. This was because of the excessive amount of salt you mentioned. I now use only 600 grams of sodium nitrate and 200ml of acid and get alot less salt. I now only have to condense once. Try this out.
metalicmario 1 year ago
@metalicmario Thank you very much for repling. If I use 600mg of Sodium Nitrate will the outcome be less than 50% nitrate, I think it will? Also, will using the 93% sulphuric acid most likely contribute to a less potent Nitrate acid? Anyway it was the 1st time i did this & experimentation is the key. I had 6lbs of fingers & some i486 processors put into the nitrate & in the morning had a bottom of jar full of salt mixed in with the fingers. what a mess so I left it for a week & it did remove
Kilooscarromeo 1 year ago
@Kilooscarromeo a lot of the gold. So, next time i do this i will use 600mg & condense more, just to make sure. I got 21grams of gold 1st time I don't think that so bad. Except i had to do a lot of picking finger pieces & wipe some of the gold off sort of rinsing. Here in Canada Nitrate acid is expensive like $150.00 a liter & it is 70% & a whole lot of what are you going to do with it.Appartly you can't get more than 4 liters at a time. If you want more your going to have to a lot of paper work
Kilooscarromeo 1 year ago
@Kilooscarromeo out of the 21 grams of gold i got, I still have to do the Aqua Regia. Which probably will bring it down like maybe 15 to 18 grams of gold . Although it will be something like 99.5% pure gold. I like the tech & you can make a lot of Nitrate acid & save a lot of money here in Canada. Thankx again those rings you have are they 22 carat or better.
Kilooscarromeo 1 year ago
@Kilooscarromeo The 600g NaNO3 200ml H2SO4 formula will give you just as strong acid as using 700 grams of NaNO3. There is also no need to use anything stronger than what you can buy at the hardware store for H2S04. I use rooto drain opener. I cut the amount of NaNO3 down because it was simply too much. That is where all the salt comes from. I'm guessing the original formula was from a less pure NaNO3 therefore needing much more to get 50% acid. I use 98-99% pure found on ebay. continued below
metalicmario 1 year ago
The seller is dudadiesel and he sells the purest and best NaNO3 I've ever found for a very fair price.For fingers you should use either the AP method or straigt AR. Using nitric to separate the foils from the fingers is a waste really. HCL is much cheaper so using it with H202 or a little nitric is much more efficient. As far as condensing you may only have to do it once now(maybe twice). Just make sure you condense it enough so the salt is a hard structure. Easily done in Canada :D Rings r 14k
metalicmario 1 year ago
@metalicmario What would be the nitric acid concentration if use 200ml sulfuric? would it be below 50% ?
I'm about to try what you suggested.I'm just doing fingers & processors. You mentioned that there are easier methods of course than using nitric called it a waste for this? But, using nitric gets rid of base metals to start with. I need the nitric anyways to make AR.May i asked what would be the concentrations for AR. Nitric? hydochloric? I know its 3:1 some say 4:1 i'll go with the 3 to 1.
Kilooscarromeo 11 months ago
@Kilooscarromeo Its hard to say as this method is not precise. There are too many variables such as nitrate purity, amount of water used, amount of H2SO4 used, concentration of H2SO4, temperature etc. I lowered the amount of nitrate because of the excessive salt left at the end. Therefore I also lowered the amount of H2SO4 used. But the amount of water used remained the same. You have to experiment to find what works best for you. For alternative methods in processing fingers go to the forum.
metalicmario 11 months ago
@metalicmario Did 500mls of the process last night .It worked out good.Less sodium sulfate.I notice when i poured the sulfuric acid into solution there wasn't much of a reaction at about 25mls at a time.Seems to be more solution then last time.I think i got it good this time of course with your help which i really appreciate.You make very good vids. I was amazed on the hydrogen peroxide, ethylene glycol & nitric solution for cutting down on vapors. Thank you very much metalicmario
Kilooscarromeo 11 months ago
@metalicmario were did you get those rings???
zack199544 9 months ago
@zack199544 I made them.
metalicmario 9 months ago
@metalicmario well there fucking COOL
zack199544 9 months ago
@metalicmario Is it safe to use a coffee pot to boil water? I was under the impression that they weren't heat resistant like Pyrex.
Hume820 8 months ago
@Hume820 You are correct. They are not as heat resistant as Pyrex and other borosilicate glass. They are however made to withstand some degree of heat. In refining you can use many non lab quality glass vessels to accomplish many processes. The key is to control thermal shock. You can avoid thermal shock by never putting hot vessels/liquids onto/into cold surfaces and vice versa. Always gradually heat and cool your vessels and liquids. Stay away from non treated glass like mason jars.
metalicmario 8 months ago
Do you make your own HCL? Is there an easy way to buy it? I have been looking on goldrefiningforum and can't seem to find anything. Thanks again for all of your help.
sentryclothes 1 year ago
@sentryclothes You're much better off buying it. And no need for lab grade purity. You can get HCL from places like lowes and home depot. It is under the name muriatic acid. wwwdotlowesdotcom/SearchCatalogDisplay?storeId=10151&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&N=0&newSearch=true&Ntt=muriatic+acid (replace dot with . in the url)Dont get the "Safer" brand though as I think it has all kinds of buffers in it that can skew your results.
metalicmario 1 year ago
@sentryclothes just go to a hardware store, or pool supplystore and you can buy HCl by the gallons.
Nitricthunder 11 months ago
Thanks for the upload. I am currently reading Hoke and have an entire lab full of equipment being shipped to me as I write this. However, Hoke only gives directions for using Pure Nitric Acid and Pure HCl. How do you adjust for 50% Nitric and commercial grade (38%) HCl when making Aqua Regia?
sentryclothes 1 year ago
@sentryclothes
You should use the same amount as is needed using 70% nitric. Then if you need additional nitric add it. You will learn however, that most of us dont premix the nitric and HCL. Its better to add the acids in increments. Some add the entire amount of HCL needed and then add the nitric in small increments. Others add both the HCL and nitric in small increments to the material that needs to be digested. I prefer the latter. Using one these methods can save you on acids.
metalicmario 1 year ago
lord of the rings? ;)
aktus777 1 year ago
@jeremiahswee
I heard of using ammonium nitrate instead of sodium nitrate but have never tried it. What are the ratios of water to nitrate?
As far as using no water. This would require a distillation setup which not everyone has. This vid is meant to instruct on how to make a fair amount of acid in a short amount of time without distillation.
metalicmario 1 year ago
For precious metal recovery/refining 35% nitric is all thats needed for most applications. So you can buy 70% and cut it in half with water or produce this 50% like in this video. 50% is more than enough for most of what I do. If you would like to see how to make much more pure acid go to frosh455 vid.
metalicmario 1 year ago
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jeremiahswee 1 year ago
@jeremiahswee
If you boil a nitrate like sodium nitrate in only sulphuric acid the nitric acid produced will be in gas form called NOx. Its an extremely corrosive and toxic gas that is 100% nitric. It has to be condensed and collected to put it into liquid form. Its like when you boil a pot of water with a lid on it. The water that condenses on the bottom of the lid is pure water.
Again, please watch frosch455 video to see what I'm talking about.
metalicmario 1 year ago
Whut the heck in on your left hand?
RayMillTN1 1 year ago
@RayMillTN1
rings
metalicmario 1 year ago
@frosch455.thank you for info. kno3 is easier to get though. but i must say metalicmario is way more uptown than me.i use lantern glass tubes of various lengths and widths wedged into each other and into a coffee pot where i cook the concoction.i seal all joints with teflon tape and wait til it condenses in a jar i put at the end.but oddly most of condensation occurs close to the heat source.unfortunately the amount i can distill is small to avoid boiling into the
(parallel) tube set up.
lemorpion1 1 year ago
this is so ghetto
frosch455 1 year ago
@frosch455
@frosch455
This formula and technique is used by many people to make nitric for refining precious metals. They all say it works wonderfully. If you havent noticed there are people linking off of this video. Do you do any precious metal refining? Can you please give us the link to YOUR video on making nitric acid? I cant seem to find it among your zero uploaded videos. Maybe we could all learn something.
metalicmario 1 year ago
Liquid Fire is NOT 98% pure H2SO4!!
First off, pure H2SO4 is a water clear liquid. Second, the concentration of H2SO4 in Liquid Fire is in the lower 90s (92-93%) NOT 98%.
coplants 1 year ago
no its not. i think i might have mentioned that in the forum somewhere. anyway liquid fire is NOT 98% pure but since it doesnt need to be 98% pure it can still be used. i have since been using rooto drain opener with better results. but again liquid fire is just fine!
metalicmario 1 year ago
it works pretty good. and i used the low grade kno3 too.
lemorpion1 1 year ago
glad it worked out well for you :D
metalicmario 1 year ago
@lemorpion1
potassium nitrate is heavier than sodium nitrate mol per mol; that messes up your result and you're decreasing efficiency. you need more kno3 per mol of sulfuric than you would nano3. expiriment--try increasing the amount of kno3 you use
frosch455 1 year ago
Wth with the rings... Watch out for Aqua Regia :P
clarinini 2 years ago 8
@clarinini XD
yellowmetalcyborg 1 year ago