YOU'RE WRONG! VERY WRONG! The debt does not belong to The People. it is the debt of an unlawful corporation that has been posing as our government, since the treasonous ACT OF 1871.
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Thomas Jefferson: a great president who had to put up with idiots saying he had the wrong kind of religious faith to hold office. They probably wanted to see his birth certificate as well.
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson. "every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot...they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes." - Thomas Jefferson.
@ZPM7 Um...not always. Christians have died as peaceful martyrs in nations all over the world standing up against despots...some of them backed by the United States. The Maryknolls in Latin America are one example where during the 80's and early 90's many were murdered by speaking out against injustices by American supported governments in the region. Guatamala's attempt at ethnic cleansing of it's indigenous peoples is a prime example of such well documented attrocities and injustices.
@wigon I'm only illustrating that Jefferson probably wouldn't be the kind of guy who would support the tea party, and their 'christian nation' rhetoric.
@ZPM7 Jefferson was an infidel sure, but he had a great respect for Christian morality and often stated that this nation would not stand unless it had a sense of Christian morality. Jeffersons constituency were mostly fundamentalist Bible believeing Baptists, he would not have remained in office if the people thought he was opposed to religion. Jefferson (like all of the founders) was merely an opponent of authoritarian theocracy, not an opponent of spiritual faith in of itself.
WeVoteRight is an anti-Christian extremist who wants to use violence to suppress your freedom of speech if you disagree with the Tea Party. If you read his ideas, his idea of freedom is Social Darwanism and an America ruled by corporations where only making money matters and where the weak perish and the poor become corporate slaves like in China.
@wigon You forgot to use words like Capitalist, Warmonger, Chicken Hawk, Fascist, Neo Con, Al Quada, Taliban, Conservative, Anarchist, Miltia, Tea Party, and your favorite one--racist. A good Saul Alinsky progressive uses words like these to silence the opposition. You need to pick up your Orwellian "newspeak" dictionary. This will help you become a better progressive.
@WeVoteRight That was clever but I only use such words if they actually fit. At least I don't threaten to murder people who don't agree with me and I don't tell them how I wish their family members death as you did. I also don't put more faith in free-market economics then in God as you do. Please read what Jesus wrote about wealth and about how you should treat the poor.
@wigon LOL, you progressives are always good for a laugh. Name one time I threatened to murder anybody? I said I will resist progressives and their dangerous agenda as any red blooded American should do. Unfortunately, based on YOUR world view your father is taking valuable medical resources away from me and millions of illegal immigrants. If you're going to ration healthcare this is what you're going to get. I guess when it hits close to home you want your father to get the best healthcare, eh?
@wigon I didn't realize Jesus was a political pundit who supported communism and social anarchy. I thought he wanted PEOPLE to help people, not government to help people. I treat the poor as human beings, not some demographic or government statistic. All government can do is make everybody equally poor. How do you know a free market isn't what God would endorse? Everybody living their lives and serving God in their own personal way, instead of serving and worshiping government as u would like.
@doomsword86 The main reason why I support legalizing marijuana is because the tax money could be used specifically to shore-up social security while at the same time crippling the Mexican drug cartels for whom marijuana is their #1 cash crop (with the US their #1 customers). So we would stabilize American and help to stabilize Mexico by decriminalizing marijuana while also allowing for further medical research on it and expanding the hemp industries/products giving Americans more jobs.
@doomsword86 But then the government would regulate marijuana and get taxes from it....and thus MORE big government! Ever thought of that? Hell imagine the expansion of the ATF if they legalized pot. You may be an unwitting proponent of increased government oversight of your private life.
Plus right now its TOTALLY free market...illegal but TOTALLY free market. The only regulation is with guns like in Mexico where most of that pot comes from. Survival of the Fittest!!! True Capitalism!
By the way did you know that the Glass-Steagall Repeal act was introduced into the Senate by Republicans Phil Grahm (Texas) and Jim Leach (Iowa). Hey man they were just doing the Friedman economics that you preach like a religion. Your favorite senators Dodd and Frank put the act back in July of this year. Did you also know that the Federal Reserve is justifying current Fiscal policy with Friedman economic theory? Fed Reserve Chair Ben Bernanke is also a self-proclaimed Friedman devotee. lol!
@wigon Yes, I know but it was your hero, Bill "hide the cigar" Clinton that signed it into law. Dodd and Frank put it back to save their own skins for this election so if you think were doing it to actually protect the American people you're more delusional than I thought. I understand what Friedman and Bernanke are doing--trying to avoid the monetary mistakes of the Great Depression but this is beyond the pale.
@WeVoteRight Um...your Friedman boy Bernanke supported and begged for the TRILLION DOLLAR+ bailout you keep blaming on progressives. So now its ok? If not WTF? Is Bernanke a progressive oppressor or the high priest of your church of capitalism? Oooh Cognitive Dissonance time....how will your brain sort it out...curious to see. I'm making bets with a friend enjoying our little conversation (who's degree is in economics).
@wigon I don't know what Bernanke but I think like, Greenspan, he is making a HUGE mistake. If he lets inflation out of the bottle I don't know that with our debt he'll be able to control it. This isn't about right vs left, this is about economic suicide, moron. Washington has but two choices--default on the debt or inflate their way out of it through inflation. And it looks like they're choosing inflation through QE. Either way the prospects looks grim for the American people. Lock and load.
@WeVoteRight Well, then blame Bernanke cuz he's the man Obama follows when it comes to economic policy. But I know you want because you can't the thought of a black man ruling America and having any power over your life. Now you're saying that your libertarian Bernanke is making America commit financial suicide? "Lock & Load"?? Again only right-wing terrorist anti-Christian nutjobs like you will be going apeshit and killing people with guns.
@wigon I blame Bernanke and your man child president Obama. I could care less that he's black, race baiter, it's his values and his politics that I find reprehensible. Are all your arguments based on race? What, somebody called you a "beaner" once and now you hate all white people? What's your issue with race? I have never once brought up race but man your up top your neck in hatred of white people. Liberals aren't people so it's ok :). And by your thinking God would condone it.
@WeVoteRight From the hatred that comes out of you maybe it's not about race, but rather against all who are different then you and who dare to disagree with you. Yes I've been called a beaner but I don't hate those people. I feel sad for them just as I feel sad that you are now calling me sub-human. God sees all. I recommend that you spend some quiet time with your children and read the book of Luke and Matthew about how to deal with your enemy. It is not easy to follow but at least try.
@wigon I recommend you get down on your knees and apologize to every Conservative you see for being a lying, thieving race baiting socialist scumbag. I don't hate your race, nor have I ever brought up your race, but I absolutely, positively despise your politics because they are a threat to my liberty and a threat to my country. So, sir, from the bottom of my heart you can take your rhetoric and go to hell as well.
@WeVoteRight You don't even seem to know what my politics are so I'm not sure how you can hate my politics. I've tried to explain what they are but you keep saying I believe in things that I totally reject or have very different views on. The only person I get on my knees for is God almighty. You can wish for me to burn in hell all you want, but you are the one who rejects the teachings of Jesus Christ regarding wealth, putting God first, and serving the poor and weakest amongst us.
@wigon Your politics are a dangerous affront to liberty. That's the only reason I need to oppose you. If everybody puts the poor first who will do the work to make this country run? The best way to serve the poor is to create a system--like we once had--that creates prosperity and jobs so people can move into the middle class or further if that is their wish. I think telling people that they can't make it because of white rich men is dangerous and evil and does nothing to help.
@WeVoteRight How are my beliefs dangerous to liberty. So far what you say I believe in is not what I've said repeatedly that I believe. But please continue to waste bandwidth and your own time. This is fun for me. When was this mythical period of American history in which we had less poverty & more wealth then today? I've also never told people that they can't make it. I just believe that the rich have obligations to society by virtue of being wealthy. Just ask Jesus Christ.
@wigon I don't know that Friedman ever supported a reckless monetary policy that we're seeing today. They're playing with a fuckin forest fire and your boy Obama is in full support of it. If you had any idea how dangerous 0 percent interest rates are you wouldn't be laughing because it threatens our economic existence. Hyperinflation would destroy this country and the ensuing blood bath would be worse than anything we can imagine. There's no way you have kids because this isn't funny.
@WeVoteRight YOUR President supported what Bernanke advised him. The President can only go by what he's advised as he is not an expert on the economy. So if the most powerful man in the nation's economy tells him we face total economic collapse without a bailout, you think he should have said no? The zero % inflation is NOT Obama's doing. This was ongoing fiscal policy from the Bush years. Keynesian theory calls it a "liquidity trap". Only idiots like you with guns will go apeshit in a crisis.
@wigon I think he should have said no. Postponing an inevitable depression will very likely end the country as we know it. You destroy all the wealth in this country through a hyper inflationary scenario and you're damn right people will go apeshit. You're right Bush started it and it was the WRONG policy. However, YOUR president is continuing the WRONG policy and the threat is GRAVE, indeed.
@WeVoteRight Yes postponing it ONLY if the financial system is not well regulated again and put back in order. For other industries I do believe we need to deregulate some of them to certain extents but I think we're on the right track with green energy initiatives to moving our country back on course economically and I don't share your "Doom and Gloom" scenario as long as we follow sensible fiscal conservatism that doesn't destroy every social service like the Tea Party wants (blind ideology).
@wigon Ummmm, so we should expand social services then? You call trillion dollar deficits fiscal conservatism? Ummmmm, not to be rude, but that's pretty stupid. Let me put it plainly--the politicians put Bernanke in this spot. If you keep interest rates this low you risk another financial bubble and you risk high, high inflation especially through QE. You can't raise interest rates like Volcker did because you'll add to the debt as interest rates go up, cutting into things like medicare and SS.
@WeVoteRight As I've already explained the bailout was like the finance industry holding a gun to America's head. There was no other choice although it could have been done much more wisely with a lot more conditions on the bailout. Also by the way, it was announced from yesterday's economic numbers that it looks like we're well beyond the risk of a double-dip recession. So much for your doom and gloom.
You might try praying more to God instead and seek hope rather than hate and greed.
@wigon Oh, yeah, 2 percent growth is really putting people back to work. Wow, man, I guess all that government spending is really paying off! You support fascism, I support a free market. That's the difference between you and I. Finance industry bet against the house and lost. They should have been allowed to fail. Why should the American people be forced to pay for their bad investments?
@WeVoteRight You support the free market, but then you just said earlier that you're against free-trade. I DO support capitalism but only when it's well regulated. I'm surprised that you claim to be a business owner & yet wanted to see our banks fail. You're telling me that you never got a loan for your business? You never use credit cards? You've never made payments on a house or car? How is letting our economy collapse better then fighting to stave off collapse & reforming what's broken good?
@wigon Funny, we operated with tariffs and a FREE market for a 150 years. What gives? We needs jobs that produce something. It's dangerous for a country to be so reliant in imports. I realized--the hard way--that credit isn't a good thing. I try to operate on the money I have on hand. Why would I support businesses that failed? Part of the concept of a free market is make bad choices and suffer the consequences. Bailing banks creates a moral hazard and the bill has gotten steeper and steeper.
@WeVoteRight Wow, you really are ignorant of even basic economic definitions aren't you. Tariffs are by definition ANTI FREE MARKET! Wait...you mean we can have the combination of both like I've been advocating all this time? Kinda like I've been advocating a blend of free-market and socialism (which is what tariffs are)? I'll let you take credit for the idea. In principle what you say about free market is true except that our economy is dependent on banks. If they fail, our economy fails.
@wigon The ONLY way out of this mess without destroying the country is to cut, cut, and cut--including military, fucknut--spending like crazy and reform our entitlement spending so it's not a ponzi scheme anymore. If we continue on this course the economy will crash and the government will not be able to save it a second time.
@WeVoteRight I agree that many things need to be cut. The GAO has many excellent audits of governement agencies that have a lot of waste along with clear examples of where they could be cut. Unfortunately GAO reports are rarely acted upon. I don't believe in blind cutting of valuable government services (like SSI & the military) that help keep our nation strong, stable, and secure. I believe in intelligent cuts of government waste based upon non-partisan auditing.
@wigon Non partisan auditing? Lol, is there such a thing anymore? That's a joke. Republicans and Democrats are never going to agree on what to cut and things will just get worse. Tuesday will be a major Republican victory but nothing will change but Obama's agenda, which will be stopped cold. And I'm fine with that. But stalemate also draws us closer to that day of reckoning--that day when nobody will buy our debt but the federal reserve. What then? Do we raise taxes 100 percent?
@WeVoteRight Have you ever read a GAO report? You should sometime. They are generally extremely well done but also routinely ignored by both parties except when they serve political purposes. Would you rather that China audit us? I also have still not heard any solution from you other then to destroy our country as we know it... all the while refusing to even consider less drastic but more focused and careful spending cuts in areas of government waste pointed out by the GAO.
@wigon I don't need to read a GAO report to know that trillion dollar deficits are very, very bad. I know David Walker, former head of the GAO, was pleading and begging politicians to fix the problem of debt before it destroyed the nation. There's going to come a day when China does audit us and stops buying our bonds. Where will we find the money then--higher taxes, more QE from the federal reserve? Do you believe it's ok for these politicians to destroy our currency?
@WeVoteRight Uh... you NEED the GAO to pinpoint the waste rather then try and fix the problem with a baseball bat. The DATA IS THEIR it just needs to be acted upon by politicians. Period. I agree 100% with what you said about the federal reserve & China maybe actually auditing us one day & NO I believe in voting in politicians serious about cutting waste, but Tea Party candidates want to cut EVERYTHING with one blunt stroke rather then do the hard work of trimming the fat & preserving the meat.
@WeVoteRight Uh...because most of their candidates repeat the same bullshit you spout about cutting everything that even smells like socialism. ITS THE PLATFORM THEY CAMPAIGNED ON! Go read the GAO's reports on their website. There are TONS of reports pinpointing waste. They have DAILY REPORTS!!!!! SERIOUSLY! There is UNBELIEVABLE stuff on waste there that is IGNORED BY MOST POLITICIANS. It's not fucking rocket-science. We could save BILLIONS if all of these reports were acted upon.
@wigon Bleh, bleh, bleh, your people had almost absolute power for two years and where was the cutting of the waste and the trimming of the federal budget? What happened to the pay go rules? You're talking about cutting billions but I have news for you--we need to cut HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS, MORON! There's not going to be anything left if they don't get the debt under control and YOUR people will not cut. All they do is demonize the opposition so nothing gets cut.
@WeVoteRight I never once have said that the democrats were doing a good job. Alot of the things proposed by Obama were blocked by his own party also. Uh...those GAO audits I speak of DO ACCOUNT FOR HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS! GO read their damn website and look for yourself. I promise that your people in the gov now will not act on these audits. They will argue like you are based on ideology and propose sweeping broad cuts of social services & tax cuts for the rich instead. Trickledown economics.
@wigon Of course they won't act on them because everybody has their hand in the pie and has to deliver to constituents back home. Nobody wants their pie cut in half. Social services do very little to help people. They're a form of slavery--a part of the government plantation. You want to help people get them back to work. Trickle up economics means slavery.
@WeVoteRight Says you. Social services don't help people? Tell that to the millions of elderly on SSI/Medicare/Medicaid. Tell that to the millions whom without federal unemployment insurance, would have been homeless, or to the millions of low-income students who used Pell Grants to get a college degree and achieve the American dream (which most of them do). The list goes on and on. You are insane if you really believe govt. social services don't help Americans.
@wigon Social services are a form of slavery and threaten the country's economic existence. Sovereign default is a threat to all our lives. We're on an unsustainable course and SS and Medicare are a HUGE part of it. The middle class is tapped out, man, where are you going to find the money to sustain this system? What happens when it all comes crashing down?
@WeVoteRight So you're saying that food stamps given to the working poor (who can't find better jobs) is slavery and that freedom is not being able to feed your family and having children with malnutrition? Freedom from slavery is having millions of lower elderly die much earlier by taking away their medicare/medicaid? Slavery is providing free mental health treatment for Americans who would otherwise be in jail, on the streets, and unable to hold a job? Seriously?
@wigon Wow, I didn't know it was the government's job to feed people and make sure they had proper nutrition, especially when I see all kinds of people buying bullshit with their food stamps and they give food stamps with anybody with a pulse these days. There's not going to be a medicare system if it isn't reformed and here we go with the hyperbole. Slavery is coercing one part of the population to pay for the needs of another part of the population--the lazy part that thinks hard work is bad.
@WeVoteRight Again, public health is part of national security. That's why we have the CDC (Center of Disease Control) and other health departments. There are also now under Obama STRICTER limits on what you can buy with food stamps. Poor people buy junk food because that's what is CHEAP and goes farther on their food stamps. I just talked to a lady who worked as a case worker for food stamp recipients and she said she NEVER sees people who WANT to be there. Most are WORKING POOR.
@wigon Public health is not a national security matter, you moron. By your reasoning the state should have the authority to come into my home and regulate what I eat and drink and how much exercise I get. I know a white guy, 19, who lives with his mother and gets food stamps. It frees up the money so he can buy pot and sleep all day. My brother works at Sam's club and sees people come in all the time and buy pizza with food stamps. So you know what take your sob stories somewhere else.
@WeVoteRight I beg to differ. The chances of being killed by a terrorist is about as good as you getting struck by lightning if not slimmer. There are also limits to what the government can tell you to eat or not eat. "Sin" taxes are one way of dealing with that issue. Also I support further restrictions on food stamps including banning their use for fast-foods. However frozen pizzas (like tostinos) are VERY cheap and thus allow foodstamps to go farther to feed a family. But you don't care.
@wigon Really, are there limits? According to you and your progressive Masters the General welfare clause can be used for just about anything. Haven't we been through this argument before? Oh, boy, not it's the governments job to punish people for, what progressives consider to be, bad behavior. What if I disagree with you? Should I have to pay an extra tax? Can't you see what this leads to when the government meddles and starts picking the winners and losers in a debate? It leads to tyranny!
@WeVoteRight Again you are liar. Their are legal and constitutional limits. What those are I leave to the court systems and not our politicans or extremists like yourself to decide. You're the one rehashing what I've already answered and so I have to answer again because you keep saying that liberals believe in things that we don't believe in. The government punishes you already for bad behavior (federal law) and can execute you already for it. I am against the death penalty.
@WeVoteRight You accuse me of hyperbole after lying continuously and then calling social services SLAVERY?? What a hypocrite. In the Bible, hypocrites go to the deepest place in hell. I've already talked about ways to reform Medicare/Medicaid, and SSI and a Republican and Democrat are trying to get SSI reform and have some good ideas to put on the agenda, but both liberals and mostly your Tea Party friends controlling Congress are opposing it going to the floor for debate even.
@wigon Oh, look at the progressive get mad and tell me I'm going to hell. Typical liberal with a God complex. Why should it go to the floor? So you can demonize us like you did in 2005 and tell granny we want to cut off her SS? Why should we help Obama on anything after shutting us out the last two years, calling us enemies, and telling us we need to sit in the backseat? McConnell had it right--our priority is to make Obama a one term president. This is a war, libtard, no compromise, no quarter.
@WeVoteRight No, I think there is some flexibility to cut some areas of SSI (and raise the retirement age at least a little bit) out of necessity. There are also were some provisions for raising the gas tax a bit as well and a few other ideas. But all these were just topics for debate and not to vote on yet. Ah...now you demonstrate the typical Tea Party "spoiler" attitude that wants to take home his ball if the other kids won't play by his rules. Meanwhile it will only hurt average Americans.
@wigon Nope, the problems the FEDS face are so great that the time for a middle road is over. It's either do or don't; it's either black or it's white. We Obama nothing because he's acted like a petulant tyrant the last two years along with Dirty Harry and Nazi Pelosi. You ever heard that song OTP? You should listen to it because they do a good of explaining why this man needs to be one term president. The average American had already been hurt; the feds doing nothing will probably improve thing
@WeVoteRight Again you lie. The economy is already regaining strength and jobs are growing again. Unlike you I get my knowledge from economic reports and not from talk-radio pundits and pop-songs. Hmm...I should write a anti-Tea Party song. Maybe THEN you'll listen if you're that easily influenced by a silly song rather then logic or the Bible's commandments.
@wigon LOl, the economy is coming back, eh? You must be either smoking something illegal or sucking on one of Bill Clinton's cigars. Oh, you get it from economic reports, lol. Maybe you should show them to Obama so he can learn how a free market is supposed to function. If the economy is coming back why is the FED starting up QE2 and why is the world howling about it? Hmmmmmm, smart guy?
@WeVoteRight 150,000 jobs were created last month and this trend is expected to continue. Most economists seem to agree with QE2 as an effective measure of insuring that we don't slide back into a recession. But obviously you have superior knowledge with your years of experience as an economist. Oh wait I forgot... you're not an economist. You'll have to blame your man Bernanke on this one. Hilarious that he claims to be a devout follower of the church of Friedman as you claim to be.
@wigon Bleh, bleh, bleh, I don't need to be an economist to know the dolts running the show are doing a terrible job. Friedman supported a steady monetary growth as the economy grew--not as a cure all to reinflate dangerous economic bubbles. Buying our own bonds like this is a very dangerous policy that could lead to inflation or worse yet hyperinflation. He's monetizing the debt after he swore before congress that he wouldn't do it. My god, man, put down the kool aid.
@WeVoteRight No I agree that QE2 is stupid. I'm just saying that your man Bernanke calls himself a follower of Friedman. He is the man Obama listens to and obeys.
@wigon You were just saying in another post it was going to help keep us from falling into a double dip recession. Which is it? Is Obama his own man or a Bernanke's stooge? Friedman never would have endorsed this policy--he was for a sound money policy. I hope those welfare checks you so believe in keep up with the price of inflation, bud, because the poor will be the one's most hurt by these policies.....YOUR president's policies.
@wigon It took Volcker raising interest to 20 percent to bring down the inflation of the 70's. They can't do that this time because of our debt. If China or anybody else loses faith in our bonds, it's going to be real bad for this economy. Inflation would hurt the people you supposedly want to protect the most. Unemployment will not be going down soon. Nobody has a reason to hire. And your boy, Obama, has been the one out there defending Bernanke. This will be his fault if it goes awry.
@WeVoteRight Yes it will be Obama and Bernanke's fault if thngs go awry. I don't support every decision they make regarding the economy. The only thing I stated was that there was little choice in the matter regarding the initial bailout. This however is different and we DO have a choice. Things are looking up and they don't need to screw around with an already highly volatile environment. However all of the economists on the Federal Reserve board supported QE2 except for one. So...????
@wigon Yep, all but one. And the one thinks we should raise interest rates. Things are looking up? I think the American people disagreed with you on that one as we saw November 2nd. There's still no end to the housing crisis; no end to mass underemployment and unemployment; The American people are about to take a big bite in the ass on taxes here real soon; and companies just got an extra burden with Obamacare. Yeah, things r really looking up.
@WeVoteRight As for reforming SSI/Medicare/Medicaid, I already gave you a huge solution which is taking action on GAO audit reports. The Obama admin. has also launched a big campaign to fight medicare/medicaid fraud. Aside from this there are a ton of other ideas floating around regarding such reforms that need to be looked at. It all is do-able if special interest groups stayed out of it and healthcare management professionals were consulted from both within the US & from other nations.
@wigon Don't tell me your huge solution--tell your masters Oba Mao and Nazi Pelosi because they're the ones passing trillion dollars budget deficits. I'll start anywhere with the cuts but eventually you have to take on the Third Rail in politics if you're going to get the budget under control......and you idiots aren't willing to do that as Bush tried in 2005. Cloward and Piven, right, libtard?
@WeVoteRight Need I remind you that Obama did not cause those massive budget deficits. It was 8 years of Bush and a fiscal crisis brought on by a greed driven overly deregulated financial sector that created this huge mess. Even the bailout first done by the Bush administration at the end of his term. You have already stated that you wanted to see America have a catastrophic economic meltdown instead of buying time to fix our financial mess. So far the economy is picking back up.
@wigon Oh, here we go. I should have known we would eventually get around to it's Bushes fault, lol. You progressives are a broken record. The house controls the purse springs and The Democrats have been in control since 2006. Your man child was a part of that congress so he's just as responsible. Bush was left the tech bubble, Sept. 11, and a War on Terror to fight because Clinton was too pussy. Needless to say Bush spent WAY too much still but Obama is making Bush look like a fiscal hawk.
@WeVoteRight I only mention Bush because you continue to blame Obama for everything as if the mess all happened on his watch and Republicans were all blameless while ignoring the FACT that Bush initiated the bailout process.
NO PRESIDENT would have said, "Yeah know what? Fuck the banks and fuck our economy! Let our economy collapse!" You live in total fantasy world if you think ANY President would have done that.
@wigon A leader steps up to the plate and accepts responsibility; he doesn't blame his predecessor. Obama raised expectations--he was going to change DC; he was going to change partisan politics as we know it. And what happened? Hail to the new Chief, same as the old Chief. He was a fake and then he steered the country hard left because in his words, he won. He can keep his hope, I'll keep the change. By bailing out Wall Street, they have created a moral hazard and bankrupted this country.
@WeVoteRight Bush also blamed his predecessor on everything. I know a two or thing about leadership having been an Army NCO and being a leader in my local community successfully fixing problems in my city. In contrast you are all talk. You don't even own a damn gun. Put your money where your mouth is so the feds can arrest you on domestic terrorism for actively threatening locals with your guns. Meanwhile REAL PATRIOTS will be working (minus extremist ideological politics) to fix America.
@wigon I never heard Bush blame Clinton the way Obama has blamed Bush. The left has made it a political strategy and all it's done has enraged the right. I thought Obama was supposed to be above this. What happened? Is lying the only thing he does well?
@WeVoteRight You don't remember Bush blaming Clinton because you choose not to remember. Yeah your man Bush never lied at all... politicians never lie right? Hell the way you lie you'd make a great politician.
@wigon Oh, now I'm a liar on top of a racist on top of a Taliban on top of an Al Queda, lol. The only thing you haven't called me is a facist. You crack me up. Even if Bush did criticize Clinton, it was never at this level. And Bush never claimed he was the post partisan politician that was going to change DC. Obama might quite possibly be the greatest liar to ever sit in the Oval office. But that's ok with you because everybody does it, right?
@WeVoteRight I'm just calling things as I see them. You support terrorist actions against the government, I caught you on multiple lies, and yes the violence you advocate is very similar to the rationale used by Al-Qaeda. You would love them. They also believe they are fighting for FREEDOM! Just not your definition of freedom. So please list Obama's lies for me and lets compare them to your man "W".
@wigon Name one lie you called me on. Name one time I said I support terrorist actions on the US government. You're such a liar. All I have to say is certain code words like Tea Party or 2nd Amendment and you froth at the mouth. You might want to look into rabies shots, man, because you're crazy. I don't even own a gun so I'm not sure I'm much of a terrorist. And Conservatives aren't the one's trying to protect terrorists and close Gitmo....you r! Why is unless you agree with the terrorists?
@wigon I don't advocate destruction. I advocate protecting my liberty from socialist scum like you. If the federal government will not do its job and loses its mandate to govern--which it seems well on its way to do doing--than I advocate a revolution based on the principles of our Founding Documents. The Founders left us a blue print for dealing with tyranny. And if we need to dust that off to get our freedom and liberty back so be it.
@WeVoteRight What you advocate is preventing "Scum" (as you refer to liberals) from working with moderate conservatives to actually fix our economic problems by trimming KNOWN waste identified by the GAO regardless of political opposition. It also prevents them from enacting trade tariffs along with regulations to insure that banks don't do the same crazy schemes that got us into this fiscal crisis. I'm also all for federal & state tax cuts for small business owners if they are struggling.
@wigon Nope, as you can see the days of your SOB's co opting Rino Republicans are over. The age of The Tea Party is here as we can tell by tonight's election. Get used to it. Obama becomes a lame duck tonight.
@WeVoteRight Hardly. The Senate is still controlled by Democrats so unless the Tea Party people are willing to work with them, it'll just be gridlock as usual with lots of finger-pointing and name-calling and nothing getting done...mainly because most of those candidates behave much as you are behaving here (not willing to actually discuss the issues in detail or look at realistic solutions outside of your narrow anti-Christian political/economic ideology.
@wigon I'm glad the Senate is still controlled by the Democrats because it means come 2012 when the economy is still in the tank we can blame YOU people for everything that's wrong with this country the way Obama has been blaming Republicans. We just needed a chamber to put a stop to the Obama agenda. We got it. I welcome gridlock over what I have seen the last two years. You're such a hypocrite--you refer to people as racist and wonder why there's no dialogue. You know man, fuck you.
@WeVoteRight Yup... you are right That is exactly the strategy. The Dems can be nice as nice can be and agree to almost everything and will not matter. Nothing will get done and their will be a media campaign to constantly blame democrats and Obama for every problem in America. Then onwards to corporate fascism like China has under a Tea Party President. The rich will get richer, the poor poorer (as in the Bush years), average American debt will increase, and wages + benefits will plummet.
@WeVoteRight Why do you wish to purposefully sabotage our nation's economic recovery with an agenda that is anti-Christian and pro social darwanism. Do you really think conservative Christians (who actually follow their faith) will not realize that the Tea Party is duping them? I hope to see a new rise of Christian libertarianism where fiscal conservatism is balanced with our social needs and with a self-sufficient protectionist economy but with good trade with Mexico and Canada.
@wigon Conservatives make up the biggest voting bloc in the country at around 40 percent so good luck with your Christian Libertarianism. I think people have had enough of government and elites telling them how they should live and forcing them to pay for bullshit programs and welfare Queens and the Tea Party reflects this. YOU people have already sabotaged it and our gearing up to finish the job with QE2 by destroying the dollar. And when you do you'll reap the whirlwind. I hope it's worth it.
@WeVoteRight Yeah and 80% of statistics are pulled out of people's asses. American Christians vote and even if they are conservative, if they hold Jesus Christ's teachings to be above their political ideology that is all that matters. I've already shown why federal social services are essential, why they are in keeping with Christian teachings, and I've talked about how they can be reformed, but you just continue to whine and spout hatred and fear-mongering regurgitating crap from politicians.
@wigon Nope, you advocate stealing from your neighbor in the name of social justice. Find me a quote where Jesus ses it's ok to steal. I'm still waiting. Your federal programs have been a disaster for the country--there's still poverty and now we're bankrupt too. Pat yourself on the back, asshole, because your programs have this country on the ropes and our children's future hang in the balance. You don't have kids so passing the buck to them is no big deal, right?
@WeVoteRight Then Jesus supported theft as he threatened those who did not help the poor and wretched of society with hellfire. That's the ultimate in coercion and is A LOT worse then giving up a small percentage of your earnings for the greater good of your country. But I know that you and those like you are not God fearing people so that doesn't matter to you. Funny you speak of poverty when in most socialized European nations there is far less severe poverty.
@wigon Oh, boy, so now Jesus was a thief? Jesus was a Communist; Jesus was a moral relativist; Jesus supported abortion. Don't you have any sense of decency? Europe is heading towards its own destruction with its welfare states. Europe has created what 5, 7 millions jobs since 1980? The US has created nearly 30 million jobs--so many jobs we have people banging down the door to get in here. There isn't a more economically mobile population on Earth as long as you're willing to work hard.
@WeVoteRight Nice try to spin my words, but I clearly stated that according to your statements, Jesus stood for those things. You are against any form of taxation for helping the poor who Jesus ministered to and told his followers to help; you rail against social justice which again Jesus stood for, and you ignore what Jesus said regarding wealth. You worship money (the Golden Calf) instead of God. Also you are lying again, many countries beat the US in upwards mobility. Even Spain beats us.
@wigon Nobody beats us in mobility--it isn't hard to be middle class in this country if you bust your ass. That's a fact! The proof is in the fact that we created the most prosperous and benevolent country in the history of the world. You call Spain's Green economy with a 20 percent unemployment rate mobile? Surely, you jest or you're downright crazy. Why does the government have to help the poor? Why can't churches and organizations do that job? Giving people a free check helps no one.
@WeVoteRight Anyone can google "Upward Mobility by Country". From Wiki: "France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Norway, and Denmark all have more relative mobility than the US...". and with one study showing them about equal (depending on measurements). That means those SOCIALIST nations have as good or better upward mobility as we do! Imagine that! Church's are already helping the poor but they only have so much money, but mega-churches could do more. Who would force them to?
@wigon I don't care what you say this country has produced more prosperity than any other country in all of history. And those people in those countries don't have anywhere near the wealth of our citizens. Nope, Socialist nations do not no matter how you try make it appear so. Why should anybody be "forced" to help anybody? That's tyranny, not liberty, bud, something I know you're ok with. Get governments hands out of people's pockets and maybe churches will have more money.
@WeVoteRight You are lying again. We come in between #5 and #8 when it comes to highest income per capita depending on the year looked at since 2000. Again we are being surpassed by SOCIALIST nations who know how to redistribute wealth better while balancing that with well regulated capitalism. Why should you be forced to help anyone? Why should you be forced to obey any law? Like it or not you probably live under more tyranny from your city/state/county governments with all their laws.
@wigon We're not talking highest income per capita, you moron, we're talking about economic mobility to move from one economic class to another---and up to this point there isn't a country in the world that has produced a more economically mobile country than the US. Redistributing wealth is a progressive con word for stealing. I probably do but I choose to live here and I can do something about it by getting active or moving because I have that FREEDOM. The Feds give me no such choice.
@WeVoteRight Yeah and I already disproved you mobility belief knumbnuts. All studies show the top five Euprean SOCIALIST economies having as good or better upward mobility. Anyone can google this and verify it from a ton of different sources.
I can't wait until tax day. I'll remember you and laugh. At the end of the day you'll be whining and I'll be celebrating all the wonderful social programs that our tax payers pay for. You'll just be whining and crying.
@wigon What does per capita have to do with economic mobility? I could take a hundred grand hand it over to my pot smoking neighbor and his per capita went right up. Does it mean anything? And what are the populations of these countries? I'm sure they're nowhere near our population. Why don't you compare your top 5 against the top 5 states here? I'm not in the mood to look it up but I'm sure you would be more than happy to enlighten me. You celebrate stealing and laziness? How Christian of u.
@WeVoteRight Also I support changing the welfare laws to make all able-bodied recipients perform community service work while they are on welfare. But most are either on SSI for disabilities or have children to look after and no government subsidized daycare. Shit, if we had government subsidized daycare that alone would get A LOT of single mothers off of welfare and back to work. But regardless of whether its city, state, or federal run, it requires YOUR TAX DOLLARS! COMMIE DAYCARE! OH NOOZ!
@wigon Ok, so let's subsidize bad behavior because that will correct the problem. I'm a single father and I never asked the state to pay for my child care and I wasn't making shit at the time. Why do you make excuses for people? People are much more resilient than you give them credit for. Why do you liberals and progressives have such a low opinion of humanity? You're a crazy libtard so maybe you can answer that?
@WeVoteRight Then please tell me who watched your child when you worked? Family? You could afford daycare? Your work schedule matched their school schedule? Someone had to watch your kids. Not everyone is that fortunate. I know a ton of single parents who have no family in my city and whose job schedules do not match their kid's school schedules. They usually have to rely on friends or a neighbor and some have been on welfare when they lost their jobs but it helped them not lose their kids.
@wigon A family friend whom I paid out of my pocket. And yes I used daycare as well. I used just about anybody that would help me when it came to childcare. There's no doubt it was a VERY tough road. I was making 10 bucks an hour and I got no help from mom but I made it work and didn't ask the government to subsidize my childcare. You know but I don't really care if states want to subsidize childcare. I think it's a bad choice but hey whatever. I have serious problems with the feds doing it.
@WeVoteRight Why would a state subsidizing childcare be a bad choice if it allows parents to work? Do you not realize that most of the working poor make well under $10 an hour? Here in Texas if you're making $10 an hour that's considered doing pretty good especially if you get benefits and have full time employment. But not everyone's as lucky to have a fine job like you had.
But I guess they were just lazy right and don't deserve a dime of government assistance eh?
@wigon Number one, moron, I lived in Cali--not exactly a cheap place to live. 10 bucks an hour with two kids and little help wasn't exactly breaking the bank, bud. I had a fine job, eh, lol? Damn, 10 bucks, whew, I'm surprised the IRS wasn't breaking the door down to get all that big money I was making. For a homo like you who doesn't have kids and supports the murder of children, it must be hard to understand. I don't see subsidizing bad behavior as a good thing or in the public's interest.
@wigon Why can't kids take care of their parents instead of sending them to an old folks home on the government's dime? For the TRULY unfortunate, yes, a safety net should be provided by government. Handing out free health care and a check to people who are more than capable is form of slavery. It teaches them nothing about the value of hard work--only that if they do nothing they can collect a check. And I have seen many people capable of working abusing the system so spare me your sob stories
@WeVoteRight Um...kids can't take care of their parents because they have to do something called "work" unless their kids stay home and serve as nurses. Many Americans DO THIS. I do this myself and as a liberal will NEVER send my folks to a nursing home unless they requested that. COMMIE SSI pays for at home nursing care assistance to help me with this. That supports TRUE family values rather then your LET THEM DIE slash and burn SSI/Medicare/medicaid Tea Party plan.
@wigon You're getting more and more bitter. I have seen this reaction before from libtards. They just can't believe anybody would dare disagree with them and they get crazier and crazier. You take your medication today?
@WeVoteRight Please show me a single nation that has no social programs and where everyone is rich because they work hard. Please....I beg you to show me where your ideology has worked in real life. You act like all poor people are lazy and don't work. In essence you act like a uncaring and arrogant atheist elitist who believes he's better then everyone who makes less money then he is and who spits upon anyone who DARES ask for help from him. Yeah, a regular Mr. Rogers you are right? LOL!
@wigon It's not that at all. I have no problem helping anybody who truly needs it as long they're willing to help themselves. I don't like my dead beat neighbor telling me I have to hand over my paycheck to him because he was too busy watching Jerry Springer and smoking pot instead of looking for a job. I don't how you support this kind of behavior--where is the dignity in mooching off other people? All you're doing is enabling people to feel entitled to something that doesn't belong to them.
@WeVoteRight Um..unless your state welfare management is crap, you neighbor DOES have to look for a job and has a time limit on that welfare of about two years.
If he gets SSI in a fraudulent manner then YOU as a citizen have the duty of reporting him to the fraud investigation dept of the Social Security department. Otherwise don't complain and whine about it on the internet. Get off your lazy ass and report him if he's abusing either program.
@wigon LOl, I'm not a rat, nor do I think it would do any good. I'm just pointing out that I know alot of people who have used and abused the system. Perfectly capable human beings who just need a kick in the ass but instead choose the lazy deadbeat way out and society finds this acceptable. I know another guy living in a motel busting his ass day and day out to make a buck and keep his head above water for his wife and kids and he doesn't qualify for food stamps. Government plantation at work.
@WeVoteRight Exactly you are part of the problem. Here you are whining about people abusing the system and yet you refuse to report those who "ALLEGEDLY" abuse the system. You're the type who would probably abuse the system yourself if you could get away with it and then still rant against the government. Hypocrisy at its finest. If your friend at the motel doesn't qualify for food stamps then he's not living below the poverty level. Other working poor aren't so fortunate.
@wigon I know you would like to live in a police state where neighbors report on neighbors and everybody is afraid of everybody but that's not my idea of an ideal society. Your Stalinist agenda scares me, bud. I have seen alot of abuse of the system and I think it's ridiculous. And then I watch the people who work hard who really need it don't get it. I could abuse the system easily and I don't. I hate the system and want no part of it. You think I'm some rich white guy but I'm not.
@WeVoteRight Shhhh..... don't tell anyone...but we ALREADY DO live in a police state. Ever notice all the cops around and all those laws? OH NOOOZ!!!
Let me guess...you're an Anarcho-Capitalist right? Sounds like it. If you've seen so much abuses of the system and didn't report it then you're just part of the problem & a complete hypocrite too scared to stand up for his own beliefs in real life. You only got one life. At least stand up for your beliefs in real life & not just the internet.
@wigon You're the part of the problem. You believe in Nanny state solutions because you grew up poor or something. I don't know. It's hard for me to believe you were ever an NCO. Did you baby the men beneath you like this? You have never answered my question--why is working hard a bad thing? And what kind of culture are YOU creating when you tell people they can't make it because whitey is keeping them down? You're enslaving their minds and that is wrong....evil. The government plantation, right
@WeVoteRight Yeah I sooo believe in the Nanny state and that's why I'm actually volunteering to fix shit in my community in education, urban development, and other areas. lol! You have a twisted perception of liberals bro. I wish you could walk a day in my shoes and see what a real liberal does never mind my work in counter-terrorism and past military service that helped to insure that you have the freedom to talk such nonsense. It's all good bro.
@wigon Are you like a community organizer or something? Work for Acorn or La Raza? Is that why you're the A Typical angry libtard? Show me a real liberal because all I see are hypocrites and liberals are always the mouthiest do nothing cry babies proclaiming that Obama is the king while waiting for the welfare check at the mail box. Progressives are nothing but bullies and thieves.
@wigon Nope, not an anarcho capitalist but I do read lewrockwell sometimes. I know you want to convince me that in order to be a better citizen I need to be ratting out my neighbors. I know you commies loved Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot but that isn't my cup of tea. I pointed out that the system is flawed and you've gone crazy trying to justify the system is just fine and dandy. Do you know anybody who is illegal? Do you rat them out Mr Law and Order? Or are you just a lot hot air? Hmmmmmmm?
@WeVoteRight And after the evil and sick way you spoke of my father who is dying of cancer do you really think I'll tell you whether I have kids or not? I can only hope that your kids will rebel against you like Bush's kids did and undertake compassionate causes to serve humanity and the nation's poor and marginalized. I also hope that your kids find Jesus Christ in their hearts.
@wigon Still bitter about the father comments, eh? I was using your world view in assessing the situation and you get all pissy about it. You have called me nasty and demeaning names because I dare to disagree with you but you except civility from me. I'm sorry your father is dying because cancer is a terrible disease--and I know from experience. However, from talking with you nothing has changed my mind that the sides we represent can ever find the middle ground.
@WeVoteRight No you were using your twisted fantasy of what you think my world view is while ignoring my corrections of your erroneous statements about what I believe. Meanwhile you keep confirming what I've said about you. What nasty names did I call you? Racist? You demonstrated that you want to deny illegals any emergency care that even a stray dog would get if dumped at veterinarian's clinic. I talk about solutions but you refuse to even discuss those & instead want to sabotage America.
@wigon LOL, man you crack me up. You call people racist and you expect them to discuss solutions with you? Funny if it wasn't so sad. How can I discuss solutions with you when I'm diametrically opposed to everything you stand for? How do I debate with a man that falls into an Orwellian rage when I say that people need to be responsible for themselves? I never said no such thing. You said you call The Tea Party racist? Why, because they disagree with you? I want to sabotage you, not America.
@WeVoteRight No alot of people disagree with things that I say and I don't call them racist because they're not. I call the Tea Party and you racist because you are, clearly demonstrate that you are (as I've pointed out clearly), but yet won't admit it to yourselves.
@wigon Oh, boy, you're such a funny but sad man. By your reasoning everybody's a racist, even you. Why don't you just admit you hate white people.....it's not the politics, it's the race that you despise. Get it out. Might make you feel better. And then you can start to heal and overcome your apparent inferiority complex that makes you buy into this irrational progressive crap.
@WeVoteRight Sometimes I do hate people and I admit that. Sometimes I hate my own people for stupid stereotypical shit they do. SO yeah I fully admit that sometimes I think in racist terms. But I also am a byproduct of a white dominated culture and education system that ingrains such thinking into us. Once you recognize the racism within you, you can stop yourself from thinking or acting in a racist manner. You got a long ways to go amigo. The first step is admitting it to yourself.
@wigon Wahh, wahhh I'm a by product, wahhh, wahhhh, some white person called me a demeaning name, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. How were you ever an NCO with an attitude like this? Your people, man? We're supposed to be Americans--we're supposed to be all of each others people, aren't we? Doesn't God teach us we're all brothers and sisters, even mean old whitey? We all have some kind of prejudice--we're wired with it and it probably helped us deal with Cave Bears and shit. But what you push is wrong, evil.
@WeVoteRight The soldiers who were under my command still call me "Sarge" and I never had any complaints. I'm quite proud of my leadership skills in that I never needed to yell at anyone. I lead by example and if someone screws up, I show them how to fix it and we get the job done as a team. I wish we were all perfectly equal Americans, but that just ain't the case. Minorities have had to fight for equality and continue that fight against people like yourself. I am the product of struggle.
@wigon What struggle? Everybody is struggling, not just minorities. What you teach is a form of reverse racism and a government plantation mentality. It doesn't matter how high somebody reaches, they always feel like whitey is keeping them down. Kind of like blacks such as Clarence Thomas who grew up poor but found a way to be successful and are now called Uncle Toms. I bet you refer to Marc Rubio and Miguel Estrada that way don't you? You're reaching for something you can never have--utopia.
@wigon I'm a by product of a white culture so I am allowed to be racist and call others racist. It's justified because of the color of my skin. Whatever, man, when you revert to that kind of bullshit argument I know that my political stance is correct--that there can be no dialogue with you people, no compromise, no quarter. Preaching that kind of hate just poisons the debate,man. Your agenda is what scares me, not the color of your skin, you racist!
@WeVoteRight Wait..you said, "You people". I thought you just said we were all Americans? Like we were all equal? Oh what, you don't believe that? Once again your hypocrisy resonates like a thousand trumpets.
I'll let you in on a little secret....I'm half white. (GASP!!!)
HAHAHA! But I am brown....kinda like Obama is half white...but hey everyone calls him black even though he's an Oreo. It's cuz blacks are easier to hate. What was that you called him? "Man-Boy? (sigh)
@wigon I used the word "supposed" to be Americans until you libtards turned it upside down with your multi cultural, whitey is bad bullshit. But this isn't about race to me--your politics are unAmerican and must be stopped by any means necessary. So, your mother was probably white, right? She abandon you or something--is that why you hate whitey? I once dated an Asian and I have been on dates with black women--oh my god, does this make me a racist too? Please, tell me, Mr Race Policeman?
@wigon Just like a progressive to abandon the field of battle when they can't bully or lie their way through a debate, lol. It's no wonder liberals run to The Federal Government so they can find some meaning to their lives by punishing their neighbors and fellow citizens who don't share in their misery and who believe in accountability to one's self. At some point this conflict between the coercers and the coerced will have to come to a head if liberty is to survive.
@wigon It's only deepened my resolve that while you people might mean well, your politics is destructive, coercive, and a threat to liberty that must be stopped even if it means picking up a gun. I have taught my kids well since they were young so they wouldn't fall into the pitfalls of liberal ideas. While they may not share my passion--because they're kids--they know the difference between right and wrong......they know your side represents nothing of value and is evil.
@WeVoteRight Again you threaten violence just like Al-Qaeda does to people who don't convert to Islam. What you just said about what you teach your kids also echoes what Muslim extremists teach their kids. They also believe that they murder people for what is right and teach their kids about the evil infidels as you teach yours about liberals. I don't believe in killing anyone for God. I believe in loving people for God and I believe in an America based upon that love regardless of religion.
@wigon Nope, I have said this a million times now. If you people are going to take away my liberty and freedom I have a God given DUTY to resist at all costs, even if it means picking up a gun and telling you no more. Nobody's blowing up anything, nobody's flying planes into skyscrapers. It's very simple--don't tread on me. Stop with your Stalinist agenda and this war will never have to be fought. However, I know it's not in a progressive
1:40 Every time I see this part I laugh XD
DaSticksanStonesClub 1 month ago
How can you say you don't like nonreligious people, then champion Thomas Jefferson in another video? You know he wasn't a Christian right?
dodgeysmith1 3 months ago
@dodgeysmith1 You went to public school, didn't ya?
wokeupmusician 2 months ago
@dodgeysmith1
Jefferson, just like Franklin, was a Deist.
CelticSouthland 2 months ago
You are funny :D
ari1234a 4 months ago
YOU'RE WRONG! VERY WRONG! The debt does not belong to The People. it is the debt of an unlawful corporation that has been posing as our government, since the treasonous ACT OF 1871.
Please go to: republicfortheunitedstates at the dot org
I promise you that what you are about to learn is going to absolutely change your entire paradigm! Everything that you thought you knew, is going to be turned around to the point that you are going to have to take a few days off just to take it all in!
Wildrosestands 4 months ago
where can i get that shirt?
awhohol4 5 months ago
Thomas Jefferson: a great president who had to put up with idiots saying he had the wrong kind of religious faith to hold office. They probably wanted to see his birth certificate as well.
jomper 6 months ago
no
Dingle294 8 months ago
You don't care about the bill.
slicingwater 9 months ago
You're an idiot if you think obama is a marxist.
ktombak 11 months ago
we need another jefferson. he was known to execute people for treason. everyone in the government would be gone if that were the case now...
danthman114 1 year ago
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson. "every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot...they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes." - Thomas Jefferson.
ZPM7 1 year ago
@ZPM7 Um...not always. Christians have died as peaceful martyrs in nations all over the world standing up against despots...some of them backed by the United States. The Maryknolls in Latin America are one example where during the 80's and early 90's many were murdered by speaking out against injustices by American supported governments in the region. Guatamala's attempt at ethnic cleansing of it's indigenous peoples is a prime example of such well documented attrocities and injustices.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I'm only illustrating that Jefferson probably wouldn't be the kind of guy who would support the tea party, and their 'christian nation' rhetoric.
ZPM7 1 year ago
@ZPM7 Oh yeah, certainly I agree on that point.
wigon 1 year ago
@ZPM7 Jefferson was an infidel sure, but he had a great respect for Christian morality and often stated that this nation would not stand unless it had a sense of Christian morality. Jeffersons constituency were mostly fundamentalist Bible believeing Baptists, he would not have remained in office if the people thought he was opposed to religion. Jefferson (like all of the founders) was merely an opponent of authoritarian theocracy, not an opponent of spiritual faith in of itself.
WorshipInTruth 4 months ago
WeVoteRight is an anti-Christian extremist who wants to use violence to suppress your freedom of speech if you disagree with the Tea Party. If you read his ideas, his idea of freedom is Social Darwanism and an America ruled by corporations where only making money matters and where the weak perish and the poor become corporate slaves like in China.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon You forgot to use words like Capitalist, Warmonger, Chicken Hawk, Fascist, Neo Con, Al Quada, Taliban, Conservative, Anarchist, Miltia, Tea Party, and your favorite one--racist. A good Saul Alinsky progressive uses words like these to silence the opposition. You need to pick up your Orwellian "newspeak" dictionary. This will help you become a better progressive.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight That was clever but I only use such words if they actually fit. At least I don't threaten to murder people who don't agree with me and I don't tell them how I wish their family members death as you did. I also don't put more faith in free-market economics then in God as you do. Please read what Jesus wrote about wealth and about how you should treat the poor.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon LOL, you progressives are always good for a laugh. Name one time I threatened to murder anybody? I said I will resist progressives and their dangerous agenda as any red blooded American should do. Unfortunately, based on YOUR world view your father is taking valuable medical resources away from me and millions of illegal immigrants. If you're going to ration healthcare this is what you're going to get. I guess when it hits close to home you want your father to get the best healthcare, eh?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon I didn't realize Jesus was a political pundit who supported communism and social anarchy. I thought he wanted PEOPLE to help people, not government to help people. I treat the poor as human beings, not some demographic or government statistic. All government can do is make everybody equally poor. How do you know a free market isn't what God would endorse? Everybody living their lives and serving God in their own personal way, instead of serving and worshiping government as u would like.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight What exactly is it you think the government is? & Since when does communism advocate the government help people?
yellowkrux 7 months ago
@doomsword86 The main reason why I support legalizing marijuana is because the tax money could be used specifically to shore-up social security while at the same time crippling the Mexican drug cartels for whom marijuana is their #1 cash crop (with the US their #1 customers). So we would stabilize American and help to stabilize Mexico by decriminalizing marijuana while also allowing for further medical research on it and expanding the hemp industries/products giving Americans more jobs.
wigon 1 year ago
@doomsword86 But then the government would regulate marijuana and get taxes from it....and thus MORE big government! Ever thought of that? Hell imagine the expansion of the ATF if they legalized pot. You may be an unwitting proponent of increased government oversight of your private life.
Plus right now its TOTALLY free market...illegal but TOTALLY free market. The only regulation is with guns like in Mexico where most of that pot comes from. Survival of the Fittest!!! True Capitalism!
wigon 1 year ago
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Mathew 13:15-
"For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them."
May God almighty heal you of your hatred for your fellow man and of your greed and lack of compassion.
wigon 1 year ago
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wigon 1 year ago
By the way did you know that the Glass-Steagall Repeal act was introduced into the Senate by Republicans Phil Grahm (Texas) and Jim Leach (Iowa). Hey man they were just doing the Friedman economics that you preach like a religion. Your favorite senators Dodd and Frank put the act back in July of this year. Did you also know that the Federal Reserve is justifying current Fiscal policy with Friedman economic theory? Fed Reserve Chair Ben Bernanke is also a self-proclaimed Friedman devotee. lol!
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Yes, I know but it was your hero, Bill "hide the cigar" Clinton that signed it into law. Dodd and Frank put it back to save their own skins for this election so if you think were doing it to actually protect the American people you're more delusional than I thought. I understand what Friedman and Bernanke are doing--trying to avoid the monetary mistakes of the Great Depression but this is beyond the pale.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Um...your Friedman boy Bernanke supported and begged for the TRILLION DOLLAR+ bailout you keep blaming on progressives. So now its ok? If not WTF? Is Bernanke a progressive oppressor or the high priest of your church of capitalism? Oooh Cognitive Dissonance time....how will your brain sort it out...curious to see. I'm making bets with a friend enjoying our little conversation (who's degree is in economics).
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I don't know what Bernanke but I think like, Greenspan, he is making a HUGE mistake. If he lets inflation out of the bottle I don't know that with our debt he'll be able to control it. This isn't about right vs left, this is about economic suicide, moron. Washington has but two choices--default on the debt or inflate their way out of it through inflation. And it looks like they're choosing inflation through QE. Either way the prospects looks grim for the American people. Lock and load.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Well, then blame Bernanke cuz he's the man Obama follows when it comes to economic policy. But I know you want because you can't the thought of a black man ruling America and having any power over your life. Now you're saying that your libertarian Bernanke is making America commit financial suicide? "Lock & Load"?? Again only right-wing terrorist anti-Christian nutjobs like you will be going apeshit and killing people with guns.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I blame Bernanke and your man child president Obama. I could care less that he's black, race baiter, it's his values and his politics that I find reprehensible. Are all your arguments based on race? What, somebody called you a "beaner" once and now you hate all white people? What's your issue with race? I have never once brought up race but man your up top your neck in hatred of white people. Liberals aren't people so it's ok :). And by your thinking God would condone it.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight From the hatred that comes out of you maybe it's not about race, but rather against all who are different then you and who dare to disagree with you. Yes I've been called a beaner but I don't hate those people. I feel sad for them just as I feel sad that you are now calling me sub-human. God sees all. I recommend that you spend some quiet time with your children and read the book of Luke and Matthew about how to deal with your enemy. It is not easy to follow but at least try.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I recommend you get down on your knees and apologize to every Conservative you see for being a lying, thieving race baiting socialist scumbag. I don't hate your race, nor have I ever brought up your race, but I absolutely, positively despise your politics because they are a threat to my liberty and a threat to my country. So, sir, from the bottom of my heart you can take your rhetoric and go to hell as well.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight You don't even seem to know what my politics are so I'm not sure how you can hate my politics. I've tried to explain what they are but you keep saying I believe in things that I totally reject or have very different views on. The only person I get on my knees for is God almighty. You can wish for me to burn in hell all you want, but you are the one who rejects the teachings of Jesus Christ regarding wealth, putting God first, and serving the poor and weakest amongst us.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Your politics are a dangerous affront to liberty. That's the only reason I need to oppose you. If everybody puts the poor first who will do the work to make this country run? The best way to serve the poor is to create a system--like we once had--that creates prosperity and jobs so people can move into the middle class or further if that is their wish. I think telling people that they can't make it because of white rich men is dangerous and evil and does nothing to help.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight How are my beliefs dangerous to liberty. So far what you say I believe in is not what I've said repeatedly that I believe. But please continue to waste bandwidth and your own time. This is fun for me. When was this mythical period of American history in which we had less poverty & more wealth then today? I've also never told people that they can't make it. I just believe that the rich have obligations to society by virtue of being wealthy. Just ask Jesus Christ.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I don't know that Friedman ever supported a reckless monetary policy that we're seeing today. They're playing with a fuckin forest fire and your boy Obama is in full support of it. If you had any idea how dangerous 0 percent interest rates are you wouldn't be laughing because it threatens our economic existence. Hyperinflation would destroy this country and the ensuing blood bath would be worse than anything we can imagine. There's no way you have kids because this isn't funny.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight YOUR President supported what Bernanke advised him. The President can only go by what he's advised as he is not an expert on the economy. So if the most powerful man in the nation's economy tells him we face total economic collapse without a bailout, you think he should have said no? The zero % inflation is NOT Obama's doing. This was ongoing fiscal policy from the Bush years. Keynesian theory calls it a "liquidity trap". Only idiots like you with guns will go apeshit in a crisis.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I think he should have said no. Postponing an inevitable depression will very likely end the country as we know it. You destroy all the wealth in this country through a hyper inflationary scenario and you're damn right people will go apeshit. You're right Bush started it and it was the WRONG policy. However, YOUR president is continuing the WRONG policy and the threat is GRAVE, indeed.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Yes postponing it ONLY if the financial system is not well regulated again and put back in order. For other industries I do believe we need to deregulate some of them to certain extents but I think we're on the right track with green energy initiatives to moving our country back on course economically and I don't share your "Doom and Gloom" scenario as long as we follow sensible fiscal conservatism that doesn't destroy every social service like the Tea Party wants (blind ideology).
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Ummmm, so we should expand social services then? You call trillion dollar deficits fiscal conservatism? Ummmmm, not to be rude, but that's pretty stupid. Let me put it plainly--the politicians put Bernanke in this spot. If you keep interest rates this low you risk another financial bubble and you risk high, high inflation especially through QE. You can't raise interest rates like Volcker did because you'll add to the debt as interest rates go up, cutting into things like medicare and SS.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight As I've already explained the bailout was like the finance industry holding a gun to America's head. There was no other choice although it could have been done much more wisely with a lot more conditions on the bailout. Also by the way, it was announced from yesterday's economic numbers that it looks like we're well beyond the risk of a double-dip recession. So much for your doom and gloom.
You might try praying more to God instead and seek hope rather than hate and greed.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Oh, yeah, 2 percent growth is really putting people back to work. Wow, man, I guess all that government spending is really paying off! You support fascism, I support a free market. That's the difference between you and I. Finance industry bet against the house and lost. They should have been allowed to fail. Why should the American people be forced to pay for their bad investments?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight You support the free market, but then you just said earlier that you're against free-trade. I DO support capitalism but only when it's well regulated. I'm surprised that you claim to be a business owner & yet wanted to see our banks fail. You're telling me that you never got a loan for your business? You never use credit cards? You've never made payments on a house or car? How is letting our economy collapse better then fighting to stave off collapse & reforming what's broken good?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Funny, we operated with tariffs and a FREE market for a 150 years. What gives? We needs jobs that produce something. It's dangerous for a country to be so reliant in imports. I realized--the hard way--that credit isn't a good thing. I try to operate on the money I have on hand. Why would I support businesses that failed? Part of the concept of a free market is make bad choices and suffer the consequences. Bailing banks creates a moral hazard and the bill has gotten steeper and steeper.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Wow, you really are ignorant of even basic economic definitions aren't you. Tariffs are by definition ANTI FREE MARKET! Wait...you mean we can have the combination of both like I've been advocating all this time? Kinda like I've been advocating a blend of free-market and socialism (which is what tariffs are)? I'll let you take credit for the idea. In principle what you say about free market is true except that our economy is dependent on banks. If they fail, our economy fails.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon The ONLY way out of this mess without destroying the country is to cut, cut, and cut--including military, fucknut--spending like crazy and reform our entitlement spending so it's not a ponzi scheme anymore. If we continue on this course the economy will crash and the government will not be able to save it a second time.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight I agree that many things need to be cut. The GAO has many excellent audits of governement agencies that have a lot of waste along with clear examples of where they could be cut. Unfortunately GAO reports are rarely acted upon. I don't believe in blind cutting of valuable government services (like SSI & the military) that help keep our nation strong, stable, and secure. I believe in intelligent cuts of government waste based upon non-partisan auditing.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Non partisan auditing? Lol, is there such a thing anymore? That's a joke. Republicans and Democrats are never going to agree on what to cut and things will just get worse. Tuesday will be a major Republican victory but nothing will change but Obama's agenda, which will be stopped cold. And I'm fine with that. But stalemate also draws us closer to that day of reckoning--that day when nobody will buy our debt but the federal reserve. What then? Do we raise taxes 100 percent?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Have you ever read a GAO report? You should sometime. They are generally extremely well done but also routinely ignored by both parties except when they serve political purposes. Would you rather that China audit us? I also have still not heard any solution from you other then to destroy our country as we know it... all the while refusing to even consider less drastic but more focused and careful spending cuts in areas of government waste pointed out by the GAO.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I don't need to read a GAO report to know that trillion dollar deficits are very, very bad. I know David Walker, former head of the GAO, was pleading and begging politicians to fix the problem of debt before it destroyed the nation. There's going to come a day when China does audit us and stops buying our bonds. Where will we find the money then--higher taxes, more QE from the federal reserve? Do you believe it's ok for these politicians to destroy our currency?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Uh... you NEED the GAO to pinpoint the waste rather then try and fix the problem with a baseball bat. The DATA IS THEIR it just needs to be acted upon by politicians. Period. I agree 100% with what you said about the federal reserve & China maybe actually auditing us one day & NO I believe in voting in politicians serious about cutting waste, but Tea Party candidates want to cut EVERYTHING with one blunt stroke rather then do the hard work of trimming the fat & preserving the meat.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Pinpoint waste? Where? I don't see it. Tea Party candidates haven't been sworn in yet so how do you know they want to cut everything?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Uh...because most of their candidates repeat the same bullshit you spout about cutting everything that even smells like socialism. ITS THE PLATFORM THEY CAMPAIGNED ON! Go read the GAO's reports on their website. There are TONS of reports pinpointing waste. They have DAILY REPORTS!!!!! SERIOUSLY! There is UNBELIEVABLE stuff on waste there that is IGNORED BY MOST POLITICIANS. It's not fucking rocket-science. We could save BILLIONS if all of these reports were acted upon.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Bleh, bleh, bleh, your people had almost absolute power for two years and where was the cutting of the waste and the trimming of the federal budget? What happened to the pay go rules? You're talking about cutting billions but I have news for you--we need to cut HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS, MORON! There's not going to be anything left if they don't get the debt under control and YOUR people will not cut. All they do is demonize the opposition so nothing gets cut.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight I never once have said that the democrats were doing a good job. Alot of the things proposed by Obama were blocked by his own party also. Uh...those GAO audits I speak of DO ACCOUNT FOR HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS! GO read their damn website and look for yourself. I promise that your people in the gov now will not act on these audits. They will argue like you are based on ideology and propose sweeping broad cuts of social services & tax cuts for the rich instead. Trickledown economics.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Of course they won't act on them because everybody has their hand in the pie and has to deliver to constituents back home. Nobody wants their pie cut in half. Social services do very little to help people. They're a form of slavery--a part of the government plantation. You want to help people get them back to work. Trickle up economics means slavery.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Says you. Social services don't help people? Tell that to the millions of elderly on SSI/Medicare/Medicaid. Tell that to the millions whom without federal unemployment insurance, would have been homeless, or to the millions of low-income students who used Pell Grants to get a college degree and achieve the American dream (which most of them do). The list goes on and on. You are insane if you really believe govt. social services don't help Americans.
wigon 1 year ago
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WeVoteRight 1 year ago
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@wigon Social services are a form of slavery and threaten the country's economic existence. Sovereign default is a threat to all our lives. We're on an unsustainable course and SS and Medicare are a HUGE part of it. The middle class is tapped out, man, where are you going to find the money to sustain this system? What happens when it all comes crashing down?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight So you're saying that food stamps given to the working poor (who can't find better jobs) is slavery and that freedom is not being able to feed your family and having children with malnutrition? Freedom from slavery is having millions of lower elderly die much earlier by taking away their medicare/medicaid? Slavery is providing free mental health treatment for Americans who would otherwise be in jail, on the streets, and unable to hold a job? Seriously?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Wow, I didn't know it was the government's job to feed people and make sure they had proper nutrition, especially when I see all kinds of people buying bullshit with their food stamps and they give food stamps with anybody with a pulse these days. There's not going to be a medicare system if it isn't reformed and here we go with the hyperbole. Slavery is coercing one part of the population to pay for the needs of another part of the population--the lazy part that thinks hard work is bad.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Again, public health is part of national security. That's why we have the CDC (Center of Disease Control) and other health departments. There are also now under Obama STRICTER limits on what you can buy with food stamps. Poor people buy junk food because that's what is CHEAP and goes farther on their food stamps. I just talked to a lady who worked as a case worker for food stamp recipients and she said she NEVER sees people who WANT to be there. Most are WORKING POOR.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Public health is not a national security matter, you moron. By your reasoning the state should have the authority to come into my home and regulate what I eat and drink and how much exercise I get. I know a white guy, 19, who lives with his mother and gets food stamps. It frees up the money so he can buy pot and sleep all day. My brother works at Sam's club and sees people come in all the time and buy pizza with food stamps. So you know what take your sob stories somewhere else.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight I beg to differ. The chances of being killed by a terrorist is about as good as you getting struck by lightning if not slimmer. There are also limits to what the government can tell you to eat or not eat. "Sin" taxes are one way of dealing with that issue. Also I support further restrictions on food stamps including banning their use for fast-foods. However frozen pizzas (like tostinos) are VERY cheap and thus allow foodstamps to go farther to feed a family. But you don't care.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Really, are there limits? According to you and your progressive Masters the General welfare clause can be used for just about anything. Haven't we been through this argument before? Oh, boy, not it's the governments job to punish people for, what progressives consider to be, bad behavior. What if I disagree with you? Should I have to pay an extra tax? Can't you see what this leads to when the government meddles and starts picking the winners and losers in a debate? It leads to tyranny!
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Again you are liar. Their are legal and constitutional limits. What those are I leave to the court systems and not our politicans or extremists like yourself to decide. You're the one rehashing what I've already answered and so I have to answer again because you keep saying that liberals believe in things that we don't believe in. The government punishes you already for bad behavior (federal law) and can execute you already for it. I am against the death penalty.
wigon 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight You accuse me of hyperbole after lying continuously and then calling social services SLAVERY?? What a hypocrite. In the Bible, hypocrites go to the deepest place in hell. I've already talked about ways to reform Medicare/Medicaid, and SSI and a Republican and Democrat are trying to get SSI reform and have some good ideas to put on the agenda, but both liberals and mostly your Tea Party friends controlling Congress are opposing it going to the floor for debate even.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Oh, look at the progressive get mad and tell me I'm going to hell. Typical liberal with a God complex. Why should it go to the floor? So you can demonize us like you did in 2005 and tell granny we want to cut off her SS? Why should we help Obama on anything after shutting us out the last two years, calling us enemies, and telling us we need to sit in the backseat? McConnell had it right--our priority is to make Obama a one term president. This is a war, libtard, no compromise, no quarter.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight No, I think there is some flexibility to cut some areas of SSI (and raise the retirement age at least a little bit) out of necessity. There are also were some provisions for raising the gas tax a bit as well and a few other ideas. But all these were just topics for debate and not to vote on yet. Ah...now you demonstrate the typical Tea Party "spoiler" attitude that wants to take home his ball if the other kids won't play by his rules. Meanwhile it will only hurt average Americans.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Nope, the problems the FEDS face are so great that the time for a middle road is over. It's either do or don't; it's either black or it's white. We Obama nothing because he's acted like a petulant tyrant the last two years along with Dirty Harry and Nazi Pelosi. You ever heard that song OTP? You should listen to it because they do a good of explaining why this man needs to be one term president. The average American had already been hurt; the feds doing nothing will probably improve thing
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Again you lie. The economy is already regaining strength and jobs are growing again. Unlike you I get my knowledge from economic reports and not from talk-radio pundits and pop-songs. Hmm...I should write a anti-Tea Party song. Maybe THEN you'll listen if you're that easily influenced by a silly song rather then logic or the Bible's commandments.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon LOl, the economy is coming back, eh? You must be either smoking something illegal or sucking on one of Bill Clinton's cigars. Oh, you get it from economic reports, lol. Maybe you should show them to Obama so he can learn how a free market is supposed to function. If the economy is coming back why is the FED starting up QE2 and why is the world howling about it? Hmmmmmm, smart guy?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight 150,000 jobs were created last month and this trend is expected to continue. Most economists seem to agree with QE2 as an effective measure of insuring that we don't slide back into a recession. But obviously you have superior knowledge with your years of experience as an economist. Oh wait I forgot... you're not an economist. You'll have to blame your man Bernanke on this one. Hilarious that he claims to be a devout follower of the church of Friedman as you claim to be.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Bleh, bleh, bleh, I don't need to be an economist to know the dolts running the show are doing a terrible job. Friedman supported a steady monetary growth as the economy grew--not as a cure all to reinflate dangerous economic bubbles. Buying our own bonds like this is a very dangerous policy that could lead to inflation or worse yet hyperinflation. He's monetizing the debt after he swore before congress that he wouldn't do it. My god, man, put down the kool aid.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight No I agree that QE2 is stupid. I'm just saying that your man Bernanke calls himself a follower of Friedman. He is the man Obama listens to and obeys.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon You were just saying in another post it was going to help keep us from falling into a double dip recession. Which is it? Is Obama his own man or a Bernanke's stooge? Friedman never would have endorsed this policy--he was for a sound money policy. I hope those welfare checks you so believe in keep up with the price of inflation, bud, because the poor will be the one's most hurt by these policies.....YOUR president's policies.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon It took Volcker raising interest to 20 percent to bring down the inflation of the 70's. They can't do that this time because of our debt. If China or anybody else loses faith in our bonds, it's going to be real bad for this economy. Inflation would hurt the people you supposedly want to protect the most. Unemployment will not be going down soon. Nobody has a reason to hire. And your boy, Obama, has been the one out there defending Bernanke. This will be his fault if it goes awry.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Yes it will be Obama and Bernanke's fault if thngs go awry. I don't support every decision they make regarding the economy. The only thing I stated was that there was little choice in the matter regarding the initial bailout. This however is different and we DO have a choice. Things are looking up and they don't need to screw around with an already highly volatile environment. However all of the economists on the Federal Reserve board supported QE2 except for one. So...????
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Yep, all but one. And the one thinks we should raise interest rates. Things are looking up? I think the American people disagreed with you on that one as we saw November 2nd. There's still no end to the housing crisis; no end to mass underemployment and unemployment; The American people are about to take a big bite in the ass on taxes here real soon; and companies just got an extra burden with Obamacare. Yeah, things r really looking up.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight As for reforming SSI/Medicare/Medicaid, I already gave you a huge solution which is taking action on GAO audit reports. The Obama admin. has also launched a big campaign to fight medicare/medicaid fraud. Aside from this there are a ton of other ideas floating around regarding such reforms that need to be looked at. It all is do-able if special interest groups stayed out of it and healthcare management professionals were consulted from both within the US & from other nations.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Don't tell me your huge solution--tell your masters Oba Mao and Nazi Pelosi because they're the ones passing trillion dollars budget deficits. I'll start anywhere with the cuts but eventually you have to take on the Third Rail in politics if you're going to get the budget under control......and you idiots aren't willing to do that as Bush tried in 2005. Cloward and Piven, right, libtard?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Need I remind you that Obama did not cause those massive budget deficits. It was 8 years of Bush and a fiscal crisis brought on by a greed driven overly deregulated financial sector that created this huge mess. Even the bailout first done by the Bush administration at the end of his term. You have already stated that you wanted to see America have a catastrophic economic meltdown instead of buying time to fix our financial mess. So far the economy is picking back up.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Oh, here we go. I should have known we would eventually get around to it's Bushes fault, lol. You progressives are a broken record. The house controls the purse springs and The Democrats have been in control since 2006. Your man child was a part of that congress so he's just as responsible. Bush was left the tech bubble, Sept. 11, and a War on Terror to fight because Clinton was too pussy. Needless to say Bush spent WAY too much still but Obama is making Bush look like a fiscal hawk.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight I only mention Bush because you continue to blame Obama for everything as if the mess all happened on his watch and Republicans were all blameless while ignoring the FACT that Bush initiated the bailout process.
NO PRESIDENT would have said, "Yeah know what? Fuck the banks and fuck our economy! Let our economy collapse!" You live in total fantasy world if you think ANY President would have done that.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon A leader steps up to the plate and accepts responsibility; he doesn't blame his predecessor. Obama raised expectations--he was going to change DC; he was going to change partisan politics as we know it. And what happened? Hail to the new Chief, same as the old Chief. He was a fake and then he steered the country hard left because in his words, he won. He can keep his hope, I'll keep the change. By bailing out Wall Street, they have created a moral hazard and bankrupted this country.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Bush also blamed his predecessor on everything. I know a two or thing about leadership having been an Army NCO and being a leader in my local community successfully fixing problems in my city. In contrast you are all talk. You don't even own a damn gun. Put your money where your mouth is so the feds can arrest you on domestic terrorism for actively threatening locals with your guns. Meanwhile REAL PATRIOTS will be working (minus extremist ideological politics) to fix America.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I never heard Bush blame Clinton the way Obama has blamed Bush. The left has made it a political strategy and all it's done has enraged the right. I thought Obama was supposed to be above this. What happened? Is lying the only thing he does well?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight You don't remember Bush blaming Clinton because you choose not to remember. Yeah your man Bush never lied at all... politicians never lie right? Hell the way you lie you'd make a great politician.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Oh, now I'm a liar on top of a racist on top of a Taliban on top of an Al Queda, lol. The only thing you haven't called me is a facist. You crack me up. Even if Bush did criticize Clinton, it was never at this level. And Bush never claimed he was the post partisan politician that was going to change DC. Obama might quite possibly be the greatest liar to ever sit in the Oval office. But that's ok with you because everybody does it, right?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight I'm just calling things as I see them. You support terrorist actions against the government, I caught you on multiple lies, and yes the violence you advocate is very similar to the rationale used by Al-Qaeda. You would love them. They also believe they are fighting for FREEDOM! Just not your definition of freedom. So please list Obama's lies for me and lets compare them to your man "W".
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Name one lie you called me on. Name one time I said I support terrorist actions on the US government. You're such a liar. All I have to say is certain code words like Tea Party or 2nd Amendment and you froth at the mouth. You might want to look into rabies shots, man, because you're crazy. I don't even own a gun so I'm not sure I'm much of a terrorist. And Conservatives aren't the one's trying to protect terrorists and close Gitmo....you r! Why is unless you agree with the terrorists?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon I don't advocate destruction. I advocate protecting my liberty from socialist scum like you. If the federal government will not do its job and loses its mandate to govern--which it seems well on its way to do doing--than I advocate a revolution based on the principles of our Founding Documents. The Founders left us a blue print for dealing with tyranny. And if we need to dust that off to get our freedom and liberty back so be it.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight What you advocate is preventing "Scum" (as you refer to liberals) from working with moderate conservatives to actually fix our economic problems by trimming KNOWN waste identified by the GAO regardless of political opposition. It also prevents them from enacting trade tariffs along with regulations to insure that banks don't do the same crazy schemes that got us into this fiscal crisis. I'm also all for federal & state tax cuts for small business owners if they are struggling.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Nope, as you can see the days of your SOB's co opting Rino Republicans are over. The age of The Tea Party is here as we can tell by tonight's election. Get used to it. Obama becomes a lame duck tonight.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Hardly. The Senate is still controlled by Democrats so unless the Tea Party people are willing to work with them, it'll just be gridlock as usual with lots of finger-pointing and name-calling and nothing getting done...mainly because most of those candidates behave much as you are behaving here (not willing to actually discuss the issues in detail or look at realistic solutions outside of your narrow anti-Christian political/economic ideology.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I'm glad the Senate is still controlled by the Democrats because it means come 2012 when the economy is still in the tank we can blame YOU people for everything that's wrong with this country the way Obama has been blaming Republicans. We just needed a chamber to put a stop to the Obama agenda. We got it. I welcome gridlock over what I have seen the last two years. You're such a hypocrite--you refer to people as racist and wonder why there's no dialogue. You know man, fuck you.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Yup... you are right That is exactly the strategy. The Dems can be nice as nice can be and agree to almost everything and will not matter. Nothing will get done and their will be a media campaign to constantly blame democrats and Obama for every problem in America. Then onwards to corporate fascism like China has under a Tea Party President. The rich will get richer, the poor poorer (as in the Bush years), average American debt will increase, and wages + benefits will plummet.
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WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon Yep, no more of your socialist bullshit, no more of your tyrannical agenda. Gridlock we can believe in!
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Why do you wish to purposefully sabotage our nation's economic recovery with an agenda that is anti-Christian and pro social darwanism. Do you really think conservative Christians (who actually follow their faith) will not realize that the Tea Party is duping them? I hope to see a new rise of Christian libertarianism where fiscal conservatism is balanced with our social needs and with a self-sufficient protectionist economy but with good trade with Mexico and Canada.
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WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon Conservatives make up the biggest voting bloc in the country at around 40 percent so good luck with your Christian Libertarianism. I think people have had enough of government and elites telling them how they should live and forcing them to pay for bullshit programs and welfare Queens and the Tea Party reflects this. YOU people have already sabotaged it and our gearing up to finish the job with QE2 by destroying the dollar. And when you do you'll reap the whirlwind. I hope it's worth it.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Yeah and 80% of statistics are pulled out of people's asses. American Christians vote and even if they are conservative, if they hold Jesus Christ's teachings to be above their political ideology that is all that matters. I've already shown why federal social services are essential, why they are in keeping with Christian teachings, and I've talked about how they can be reformed, but you just continue to whine and spout hatred and fear-mongering regurgitating crap from politicians.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Nope, you advocate stealing from your neighbor in the name of social justice. Find me a quote where Jesus ses it's ok to steal. I'm still waiting. Your federal programs have been a disaster for the country--there's still poverty and now we're bankrupt too. Pat yourself on the back, asshole, because your programs have this country on the ropes and our children's future hang in the balance. You don't have kids so passing the buck to them is no big deal, right?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Then Jesus supported theft as he threatened those who did not help the poor and wretched of society with hellfire. That's the ultimate in coercion and is A LOT worse then giving up a small percentage of your earnings for the greater good of your country. But I know that you and those like you are not God fearing people so that doesn't matter to you. Funny you speak of poverty when in most socialized European nations there is far less severe poverty.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Oh, boy, so now Jesus was a thief? Jesus was a Communist; Jesus was a moral relativist; Jesus supported abortion. Don't you have any sense of decency? Europe is heading towards its own destruction with its welfare states. Europe has created what 5, 7 millions jobs since 1980? The US has created nearly 30 million jobs--so many jobs we have people banging down the door to get in here. There isn't a more economically mobile population on Earth as long as you're willing to work hard.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Nice try to spin my words, but I clearly stated that according to your statements, Jesus stood for those things. You are against any form of taxation for helping the poor who Jesus ministered to and told his followers to help; you rail against social justice which again Jesus stood for, and you ignore what Jesus said regarding wealth. You worship money (the Golden Calf) instead of God. Also you are lying again, many countries beat the US in upwards mobility. Even Spain beats us.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Nobody beats us in mobility--it isn't hard to be middle class in this country if you bust your ass. That's a fact! The proof is in the fact that we created the most prosperous and benevolent country in the history of the world. You call Spain's Green economy with a 20 percent unemployment rate mobile? Surely, you jest or you're downright crazy. Why does the government have to help the poor? Why can't churches and organizations do that job? Giving people a free check helps no one.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Anyone can google "Upward Mobility by Country". From Wiki: "France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Norway, and Denmark all have more relative mobility than the US...". and with one study showing them about equal (depending on measurements). That means those SOCIALIST nations have as good or better upward mobility as we do! Imagine that! Church's are already helping the poor but they only have so much money, but mega-churches could do more. Who would force them to?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I don't care what you say this country has produced more prosperity than any other country in all of history. And those people in those countries don't have anywhere near the wealth of our citizens. Nope, Socialist nations do not no matter how you try make it appear so. Why should anybody be "forced" to help anybody? That's tyranny, not liberty, bud, something I know you're ok with. Get governments hands out of people's pockets and maybe churches will have more money.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight You are lying again. We come in between #5 and #8 when it comes to highest income per capita depending on the year looked at since 2000. Again we are being surpassed by SOCIALIST nations who know how to redistribute wealth better while balancing that with well regulated capitalism. Why should you be forced to help anyone? Why should you be forced to obey any law? Like it or not you probably live under more tyranny from your city/state/county governments with all their laws.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon We're not talking highest income per capita, you moron, we're talking about economic mobility to move from one economic class to another---and up to this point there isn't a country in the world that has produced a more economically mobile country than the US. Redistributing wealth is a progressive con word for stealing. I probably do but I choose to live here and I can do something about it by getting active or moving because I have that FREEDOM. The Feds give me no such choice.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Yeah and I already disproved you mobility belief knumbnuts. All studies show the top five Euprean SOCIALIST economies having as good or better upward mobility. Anyone can google this and verify it from a ton of different sources.
I can't wait until tax day. I'll remember you and laugh. At the end of the day you'll be whining and I'll be celebrating all the wonderful social programs that our tax payers pay for. You'll just be whining and crying.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon What does per capita have to do with economic mobility? I could take a hundred grand hand it over to my pot smoking neighbor and his per capita went right up. Does it mean anything? And what are the populations of these countries? I'm sure they're nowhere near our population. Why don't you compare your top 5 against the top 5 states here? I'm not in the mood to look it up but I'm sure you would be more than happy to enlighten me. You celebrate stealing and laziness? How Christian of u.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Also I support changing the welfare laws to make all able-bodied recipients perform community service work while they are on welfare. But most are either on SSI for disabilities or have children to look after and no government subsidized daycare. Shit, if we had government subsidized daycare that alone would get A LOT of single mothers off of welfare and back to work. But regardless of whether its city, state, or federal run, it requires YOUR TAX DOLLARS! COMMIE DAYCARE! OH NOOZ!
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Ok, so let's subsidize bad behavior because that will correct the problem. I'm a single father and I never asked the state to pay for my child care and I wasn't making shit at the time. Why do you make excuses for people? People are much more resilient than you give them credit for. Why do you liberals and progressives have such a low opinion of humanity? You're a crazy libtard so maybe you can answer that?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Then please tell me who watched your child when you worked? Family? You could afford daycare? Your work schedule matched their school schedule? Someone had to watch your kids. Not everyone is that fortunate. I know a ton of single parents who have no family in my city and whose job schedules do not match their kid's school schedules. They usually have to rely on friends or a neighbor and some have been on welfare when they lost their jobs but it helped them not lose their kids.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon A family friend whom I paid out of my pocket. And yes I used daycare as well. I used just about anybody that would help me when it came to childcare. There's no doubt it was a VERY tough road. I was making 10 bucks an hour and I got no help from mom but I made it work and didn't ask the government to subsidize my childcare. You know but I don't really care if states want to subsidize childcare. I think it's a bad choice but hey whatever. I have serious problems with the feds doing it.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Why would a state subsidizing childcare be a bad choice if it allows parents to work? Do you not realize that most of the working poor make well under $10 an hour? Here in Texas if you're making $10 an hour that's considered doing pretty good especially if you get benefits and have full time employment. But not everyone's as lucky to have a fine job like you had.
But I guess they were just lazy right and don't deserve a dime of government assistance eh?
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Number one, moron, I lived in Cali--not exactly a cheap place to live. 10 bucks an hour with two kids and little help wasn't exactly breaking the bank, bud. I had a fine job, eh, lol? Damn, 10 bucks, whew, I'm surprised the IRS wasn't breaking the door down to get all that big money I was making. For a homo like you who doesn't have kids and supports the murder of children, it must be hard to understand. I don't see subsidizing bad behavior as a good thing or in the public's interest.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon Why can't kids take care of their parents instead of sending them to an old folks home on the government's dime? For the TRULY unfortunate, yes, a safety net should be provided by government. Handing out free health care and a check to people who are more than capable is form of slavery. It teaches them nothing about the value of hard work--only that if they do nothing they can collect a check. And I have seen many people capable of working abusing the system so spare me your sob stories
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Um...kids can't take care of their parents because they have to do something called "work" unless their kids stay home and serve as nurses. Many Americans DO THIS. I do this myself and as a liberal will NEVER send my folks to a nursing home unless they requested that. COMMIE SSI pays for at home nursing care assistance to help me with this. That supports TRUE family values rather then your LET THEM DIE slash and burn SSI/Medicare/medicaid Tea Party plan.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon You're getting more and more bitter. I have seen this reaction before from libtards. They just can't believe anybody would dare disagree with them and they get crazier and crazier. You take your medication today?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon What do you people have against hard work? You know without people working hard all your do nothing social programs go away, right?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Please show me a single nation that has no social programs and where everyone is rich because they work hard. Please....I beg you to show me where your ideology has worked in real life. You act like all poor people are lazy and don't work. In essence you act like a uncaring and arrogant atheist elitist who believes he's better then everyone who makes less money then he is and who spits upon anyone who DARES ask for help from him. Yeah, a regular Mr. Rogers you are right? LOL!
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon It's not that at all. I have no problem helping anybody who truly needs it as long they're willing to help themselves. I don't like my dead beat neighbor telling me I have to hand over my paycheck to him because he was too busy watching Jerry Springer and smoking pot instead of looking for a job. I don't how you support this kind of behavior--where is the dignity in mooching off other people? All you're doing is enabling people to feel entitled to something that doesn't belong to them.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Um..unless your state welfare management is crap, you neighbor DOES have to look for a job and has a time limit on that welfare of about two years.
If he gets SSI in a fraudulent manner then YOU as a citizen have the duty of reporting him to the fraud investigation dept of the Social Security department. Otherwise don't complain and whine about it on the internet. Get off your lazy ass and report him if he's abusing either program.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon LOl, I'm not a rat, nor do I think it would do any good. I'm just pointing out that I know alot of people who have used and abused the system. Perfectly capable human beings who just need a kick in the ass but instead choose the lazy deadbeat way out and society finds this acceptable. I know another guy living in a motel busting his ass day and day out to make a buck and keep his head above water for his wife and kids and he doesn't qualify for food stamps. Government plantation at work.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Exactly you are part of the problem. Here you are whining about people abusing the system and yet you refuse to report those who "ALLEGEDLY" abuse the system. You're the type who would probably abuse the system yourself if you could get away with it and then still rant against the government. Hypocrisy at its finest. If your friend at the motel doesn't qualify for food stamps then he's not living below the poverty level. Other working poor aren't so fortunate.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I know you would like to live in a police state where neighbors report on neighbors and everybody is afraid of everybody but that's not my idea of an ideal society. Your Stalinist agenda scares me, bud. I have seen alot of abuse of the system and I think it's ridiculous. And then I watch the people who work hard who really need it don't get it. I could abuse the system easily and I don't. I hate the system and want no part of it. You think I'm some rich white guy but I'm not.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Shhhh..... don't tell anyone...but we ALREADY DO live in a police state. Ever notice all the cops around and all those laws? OH NOOOZ!!!
Let me guess...you're an Anarcho-Capitalist right? Sounds like it. If you've seen so much abuses of the system and didn't report it then you're just part of the problem & a complete hypocrite too scared to stand up for his own beliefs in real life. You only got one life. At least stand up for your beliefs in real life & not just the internet.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon You're the part of the problem. You believe in Nanny state solutions because you grew up poor or something. I don't know. It's hard for me to believe you were ever an NCO. Did you baby the men beneath you like this? You have never answered my question--why is working hard a bad thing? And what kind of culture are YOU creating when you tell people they can't make it because whitey is keeping them down? You're enslaving their minds and that is wrong....evil. The government plantation, right
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Yeah I sooo believe in the Nanny state and that's why I'm actually volunteering to fix shit in my community in education, urban development, and other areas. lol! You have a twisted perception of liberals bro. I wish you could walk a day in my shoes and see what a real liberal does never mind my work in counter-terrorism and past military service that helped to insure that you have the freedom to talk such nonsense. It's all good bro.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Are you like a community organizer or something? Work for Acorn or La Raza? Is that why you're the A Typical angry libtard? Show me a real liberal because all I see are hypocrites and liberals are always the mouthiest do nothing cry babies proclaiming that Obama is the king while waiting for the welfare check at the mail box. Progressives are nothing but bullies and thieves.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon Nope, not an anarcho capitalist but I do read lewrockwell sometimes. I know you want to convince me that in order to be a better citizen I need to be ratting out my neighbors. I know you commies loved Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot but that isn't my cup of tea. I pointed out that the system is flawed and you've gone crazy trying to justify the system is just fine and dandy. Do you know anybody who is illegal? Do you rat them out Mr Law and Order? Or are you just a lot hot air? Hmmmmmmm?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight And after the evil and sick way you spoke of my father who is dying of cancer do you really think I'll tell you whether I have kids or not? I can only hope that your kids will rebel against you like Bush's kids did and undertake compassionate causes to serve humanity and the nation's poor and marginalized. I also hope that your kids find Jesus Christ in their hearts.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Still bitter about the father comments, eh? I was using your world view in assessing the situation and you get all pissy about it. You have called me nasty and demeaning names because I dare to disagree with you but you except civility from me. I'm sorry your father is dying because cancer is a terrible disease--and I know from experience. However, from talking with you nothing has changed my mind that the sides we represent can ever find the middle ground.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight No you were using your twisted fantasy of what you think my world view is while ignoring my corrections of your erroneous statements about what I believe. Meanwhile you keep confirming what I've said about you. What nasty names did I call you? Racist? You demonstrated that you want to deny illegals any emergency care that even a stray dog would get if dumped at veterinarian's clinic. I talk about solutions but you refuse to even discuss those & instead want to sabotage America.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon LOL, man you crack me up. You call people racist and you expect them to discuss solutions with you? Funny if it wasn't so sad. How can I discuss solutions with you when I'm diametrically opposed to everything you stand for? How do I debate with a man that falls into an Orwellian rage when I say that people need to be responsible for themselves? I never said no such thing. You said you call The Tea Party racist? Why, because they disagree with you? I want to sabotage you, not America.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight No alot of people disagree with things that I say and I don't call them racist because they're not. I call the Tea Party and you racist because you are, clearly demonstrate that you are (as I've pointed out clearly), but yet won't admit it to yourselves.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Oh, boy, you're such a funny but sad man. By your reasoning everybody's a racist, even you. Why don't you just admit you hate white people.....it's not the politics, it's the race that you despise. Get it out. Might make you feel better. And then you can start to heal and overcome your apparent inferiority complex that makes you buy into this irrational progressive crap.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Sometimes I do hate people and I admit that. Sometimes I hate my own people for stupid stereotypical shit they do. SO yeah I fully admit that sometimes I think in racist terms. But I also am a byproduct of a white dominated culture and education system that ingrains such thinking into us. Once you recognize the racism within you, you can stop yourself from thinking or acting in a racist manner. You got a long ways to go amigo. The first step is admitting it to yourself.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Wahh, wahhh I'm a by product, wahhh, wahhhh, some white person called me a demeaning name, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. How were you ever an NCO with an attitude like this? Your people, man? We're supposed to be Americans--we're supposed to be all of each others people, aren't we? Doesn't God teach us we're all brothers and sisters, even mean old whitey? We all have some kind of prejudice--we're wired with it and it probably helped us deal with Cave Bears and shit. But what you push is wrong, evil.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight The soldiers who were under my command still call me "Sarge" and I never had any complaints. I'm quite proud of my leadership skills in that I never needed to yell at anyone. I lead by example and if someone screws up, I show them how to fix it and we get the job done as a team. I wish we were all perfectly equal Americans, but that just ain't the case. Minorities have had to fight for equality and continue that fight against people like yourself. I am the product of struggle.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon What struggle? Everybody is struggling, not just minorities. What you teach is a form of reverse racism and a government plantation mentality. It doesn't matter how high somebody reaches, they always feel like whitey is keeping them down. Kind of like blacks such as Clarence Thomas who grew up poor but found a way to be successful and are now called Uncle Toms. I bet you refer to Marc Rubio and Miguel Estrada that way don't you? You're reaching for something you can never have--utopia.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon I'm a by product of a white culture so I am allowed to be racist and call others racist. It's justified because of the color of my skin. Whatever, man, when you revert to that kind of bullshit argument I know that my political stance is correct--that there can be no dialogue with you people, no compromise, no quarter. Preaching that kind of hate just poisons the debate,man. Your agenda is what scares me, not the color of your skin, you racist!
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Wait..you said, "You people". I thought you just said we were all Americans? Like we were all equal? Oh what, you don't believe that? Once again your hypocrisy resonates like a thousand trumpets.
I'll let you in on a little secret....I'm half white. (GASP!!!)
HAHAHA! But I am brown....kinda like Obama is half white...but hey everyone calls him black even though he's an Oreo. It's cuz blacks are easier to hate. What was that you called him? "Man-Boy? (sigh)
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon I used the word "supposed" to be Americans until you libtards turned it upside down with your multi cultural, whitey is bad bullshit. But this isn't about race to me--your politics are unAmerican and must be stopped by any means necessary. So, your mother was probably white, right? She abandon you or something--is that why you hate whitey? I once dated an Asian and I have been on dates with black women--oh my god, does this make me a racist too? Please, tell me, Mr Race Policeman?
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon Just like a progressive to abandon the field of battle when they can't bully or lie their way through a debate, lol. It's no wonder liberals run to The Federal Government so they can find some meaning to their lives by punishing their neighbors and fellow citizens who don't share in their misery and who believe in accountability to one's self. At some point this conflict between the coercers and the coerced will have to come to a head if liberty is to survive.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Having fun talking to yourself? lol
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon LOL, you're so predictable. I knew you couldn't resist. Oh boy, I enjoy being "right."
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@wigon It's only deepened my resolve that while you people might mean well, your politics is destructive, coercive, and a threat to liberty that must be stopped even if it means picking up a gun. I have taught my kids well since they were young so they wouldn't fall into the pitfalls of liberal ideas. While they may not share my passion--because they're kids--they know the difference between right and wrong......they know your side represents nothing of value and is evil.
WeVoteRight 1 year ago
@WeVoteRight Again you threaten violence just like Al-Qaeda does to people who don't convert to Islam. What you just said about what you teach your kids also echoes what Muslim extremists teach their kids. They also believe that they murder people for what is right and teach their kids about the evil infidels as you teach yours about liberals. I don't believe in killing anyone for God. I believe in loving people for God and I believe in an America based upon that love regardless of religion.
wigon 1 year ago
@wigon Nope, I have said this a million times now. If you people are going to take away my liberty and freedom I have a God given DUTY to resist at all costs, even if it means picking up a gun and telling you no more. Nobody's blowing up anything, nobody's flying planes into skyscrapers. It's very simple--don't tread on me. Stop with your Stalinist agenda and this war will never have to be fought. However, I know it's not in a progressive