linux have SUPERPOWER

[ninuxpdb]

linux is not an operating system !!! linux is a kernel

GNU/linux is an operating systems GNU/linux Ubuntu is a dirty distribution full of restricted packages and this means that is not Free Software. GNU/linux is a Free operating system and wascreated two distribtions GNU/linux gNewSense and GNU/linux Ututo totally Free Software 100% i used for long time Ubuntu, i amwaiting only the support for other few things, but i am fully satisfied of

GNU/linux gNewSenese bye by canonical you losed me -1

[lin545]

@ninuxpdb I don´t get you, most of "dirty packages" are firmware which are needed to operate some devices. Devices, depending on specification, either load firmware themself (like amd ageisa) or need to load firmware by driver. If you need blob-free system, be aware that you also need completely open hardware, which is non-x86, for example dragon chip(loongson).

[UndeniableTrue1]

Wow

[jmm1233]

short and sweet , just how i like it ,

[Axtred]

thats what she said!

sorry couldent resist

[scilonthreat]

Zing!

[SMGJohn]

@Axtred That's what my gun told me about you

[jergsden]

Linux's time hasn't quite come yet. It needs to address ease of use/general user friendliness first. Windows is a pretty crap OS, but it's easy to use. Compare installing a program on Windows to installing one on Linux.

What's encouraging is this aspect is being worked on. Linux has an exciting future.  Vista is it's biggest advertisement ever.

[ZarathustraDK]

Installation in Windows :

1. find/purchase a cd with software.

2. Insert CD.

3. Install.

4. Pack away cd/delete install-file.

Installation in Ubuntu :

1. Start up Synaptic.

2. Choose what you want to install and click apply.

3. Close Synaptic.

Much less effort required in Ubuntu, not just in steps, but in time allocated to perform these steps.

[iampenguinpowered]

yeah... and what do you do when an application you want isnt in your repos, and you cant find a repo or .deb for it?.. you compile.. and if your build fails, do YOU know how to fix it... many linux users let alone windows users are unfamiliar with compiling, and there are many other issues, i agree with jergsden, i've been a linux user for about 6 years, Linux's time will come, and most likely before long, but today is not that time.

[ZarathustraDK]

Compiling is pretty much a non-word in Ubuntu. If you need to compile something the thing you want to run is bound to be pretty experimental/alpha-software (like the newest, bleeding-edge compiz). Otherwise someone have either made a deb out of it it or rolled a binary which you can start like any other windows program.

[fironth]

First of all, I have yet to find a package I needed that wasn't in a repo or already precompiled as a .deb.

Second of all:

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tar -xf ./thing.tar.gz ./thing

cd thing

./configure

make

sudo make install

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It is not that difficult to learn, and on the rare occasion that a compile HAS failed, its been solved through not compiling in a directory with a space or reading the library requirements on the software's website, easy to find.

[scilonthreat]

I have never even seen that problem, and i'm a novice.

[Keruaran]

Firstly, I've been using GNU/Linux since 2005 and have never encountered such unexpected problems.

Secondly, I've lost count of how many Windows users I've had to help remove corrupt software from their systems because that software could not be uninstalled. What happens then ? Usually people have to mess about finding a cleanup tool or delete files and folders and then manually fix the ensuing registry hell.

And viruses ? Spyware ?

Double standards anyone ?

[Antiks72]

If Linux had as much market share on the desktop as Windows does, it'd be hit with viruses and spyware too.

Linux will never own a significant share of the desktop. Windows 7 is once again gonna pwn the penguin. Stay tuned.

[Keruaran]

Actually no, it has very little to do with market share and everything to do with the fundamental design flaws in Microsoft's operating system.

The Linux presence on the desktop is steadily increasing but "the desktop" as you understand it is a shrinking market and will become an increasingly antiquated and irrelevant idea over the next few years. The world is going mobile and Linux is the best positioned operating system to dominate the mobile market over the next few years.

So, "stay tuned".

[Antiks72]

It has everything to do with market share. Crackers write software to produce the biggest bang for their "buck", and in this case Windows is a major target. Not to worry though, because now they're focusing on Apple, which is really bad.

MS takes security seriously, and I don't have a problem with spyware or viruses on my systems (all Windows), because I have measures in place that prevent that from happening.

[Keruaran]

Nope sorry, you're wrong, it has everything to do with the design of the operating system.

M$ certainly does not take security seriously. To even suggest that is a very bad joke. They even market the insecurity of their operating system to us resellers as an opportunity to upsell third party security offerings and make more money. They even shoot down people who publicly disclose Windows security issues without their approval.

Be assured, NO ONE who is serious about security uses Windows.

[Grykus7]

That was ignorant. Maybe I'm just reading you the wrong way. But I want to say that I use Windows, in a dual boot with Linux mind you, and I care about my computer's security a lot.

I still will not deny that Linux is more secure, hell I'll even go for the gold and say that so is Mac.

But to say that it's because all Windows users don't care about security sounds like ignorant fanboyism.

[Keruaran]

I didn't say "Windows users don't care about security". Most Windows users are terribly ignorant when it comes to security and have no idea that Windows is far less secure than other operating systems. Only today I told a customer that we DO NOT recommend Windows be used for online banking at all. She looked shocked. I showed her how to use Firefox (it works with her bank) from a live Ubuntu CD. In any environment where security is critical NO ONE serious about security uses Windows.

[Grykus7]

Yeah, I guess I read that wrong. I get it now, and you're right. Windows is always the first on the shelf. So people just grab it I suppose.

With the economy, I'm definitely thinking that Linux will start showing up on much more PCs in stores. I would like to see Microsoft make Windows XP Open-Source in stead of discontinuing it. But that's obviously never going to happen.

[MrClrg]

@Antiks72 On the topic of market share: Only 35 % of web servers run Windows, the rest of them either runs a flavour of Unix or Linux. Usually Linux. Now by that market share, Linux boxes must get countless attacks. And they do.

[Antiks72]

@MrClrg Yeah on the server side maybe. On the desktop, windows still reigns supreme despite all the progress linux has made. They've come a long way but there's just not point in using Linux since I can do everything I need on Windows anyway. Linux on the desktop is nerd fetishism at best.

[seanhamson]

@Antiks72 but on the other hand i can do everything i want on linux so in essence it doesnt make windows better its just you know what you can do and how to do it so you stick with what you know. also just remember that linux powers far more than just servers, i.e. android, set top boxes, some new tvs as well as all most all of the worlds top 500 supercomputers.

[the1bigace]

@Antiks72 Actuall, Linux is creeping up the ladder in the market, I have both windows and linux, on my machine and I heavily favor Ubuntu Linux as a day to day OS, my windows 7 partition is only used for my flight simulator X-plane9 now. Linux may take hold of a larger market because it is less resource hungry, when it happens companies will be forced by their own interest to start making compatible hardware and software. Microsoft will probably not hold its size forever.

[Antiks72]

FOSS people have been saying that forever.

[CurtHowland]

I've been using Linux since 1995, and have had exactly the same experience you have. Software just works.

So what do Windows users do if the install of their new app fails? Nothing. They don't have the option to compile it even if they knew how. "The hood is welded shut."

"Registry Hell". Well said.

"Double standards". Couldn't agree more.

[FuzzyGhost]

That is what google is for.

[lin545]

@ZarathustraDK Steps required with Gentoo(thats most advanced Linux here):

1. Lookup for software with eix

2. Do a dry-run install

3. Set options upon how you want it to look like

4. emerge software

5. Fine-tune it

Thats most "hardest" linux distro, you see anything hard here?

[MrClrg]

@lin545 Except that with Gentoo, you need to compile software for two days until you have an usable desktop environment.

[lin545]

@MrClrg Not correct. 1st) there are binary releases of Gentoo: Calculate Linux, Funtoo. You get working complete desktop in under 10 minutes.

2nd) Recompiliation of whole full-blown desktop (~20gigs, lots of software) takes 8 hours on quadcore (athlon II x4, core2quad) total.

3nd) You dont have to compile everything to get usable environiment. If you go stage3 way, you only need kernel and xorg to start working. Major stuff is precomplied and can be complied in background as you go.

[ljscott1990]

@ZarathustraDK

Except for when something isn't in your repository.

Which is like everything.

TIme to get out the terminal, lol.

[ZarathustraDK]

@ljscott1990

lol? Everything like what? Sure if you want bleeding-edge stuff then you need to build nightlies, but 99% of the time there's an older, more stable, version in the repos.

[ljscott1990]

@ZarathustraDK

I'll give you a great example. I installed Debian 64 bit about a month ago.

By default iceweasel is installed, and it isn't compatible with some of the firefox extensions I normally use.

So I removed Iceweasel, firefox wasn't in the repository so I followed some instructions to extract it to the appropriate folder, and made a shortcut for it.

It wouldn't launch. So I went directly to the binary and tried to execute in there, tried changing permissions and executing it, no avail.

[MrClrg]

@ljscott1990 Try Ubuntu, Firefox is Default there.

[ljscott1990]

@ZarathustraDK

After countless hours of searching forums and asking around there seemed to be some bullshit incompatibility for 64 bit versions of linux. They told me if I wanted it to work I would have to compile from source. Something I have no idea how to do.

[ZarathustraDK]

@ljscott1990

Keyword being 64-bit. You're bound to run into trouble with that, regardless of which operating system you use. Reason being 32-bit progs work on all architectures while 64-bit progs only work on 64-bit architectures, so naturally most people and businesses prioritize doing 32-bit progs over 64-bit.

Easy solution to your problem: Use the 32-bit deb-version instead, running 64-bit-progs for the sake of running 64-bit is asking for stuff like that to happen.

[ljscott1990]

@ZarathustraDK

I promise I will give it a go sometime, but I have never encountered any program that I needed in windows that didn't run ion 64 bit vista/7 besides a printer driver and the printer was 8 years old anyway.

I will give debian 32 bit a try.

Only reason I don't use ubuntu is because of how slow and bloated it is.

[MrClrg]

@ljscott1990 gzip -dc program.tar.gz | tar xvfp - && cd to_extracted_folder && ./configure && make && sudo make install (that's it)

[wslx0195]

@ZarathustraDK And then of course you can dl programs for windows, but that requires searching on the web, where in Ubuntu, if the program exists for Linux, there is a high chance they have a .deb version in the universe repos.

[antisteo]

@ZarathustraDK The windows way should look like: 1. Google the program 2. find a torrent page 3. download the wrong software and infect your pc with spyware 4. find the right software 5. find a crack for it 6. download 7. click install.exe 8. click "next" 9. click "next" 10. click "next" 11. click "done"

[Exarian]

@ZarathustraDK someone actually made a synaptic package manager type program for windows. just saying.

[TopVersnelling]

@ZarathustraDK or just sudo apt-get install [prog. name] :D

[jmm1233]

actually i found the sabayon distro easier to use and handle then vista , it even helps loading the nessary depenacies , unlike windows which you have to hunt down through millions of websites to find one little dll to run an old program , , and i am a n00b ,

[Mat5913]

so true... :-D

[MikeLongbow1]

I agree.

Viva Linux!

[Shado86]

so true....

[agente2012]

Cool!