Guess what everyone. PETA kills animals too. PETA admitted to killing over 10,000 cats and dogs. Look up "PETA admits to killing thousands" on YouTube to watch the video. Fight for the right to hunt! Repost on every PETA video you can!
If you were a farmer, would YOU want to waste money, letting birds die by the droves, wading in their own filth as they continally become more contaiminated?
Not if you wanna make money and NOT be shut down by the CDC/FDA/any combination of alphabet soup.
i applaud any one whose smart enough to know yet how evil peta and itws subsidiaries like sea terror (shepard) greenpeace elf alf etc are and how every word is liez dece3ption fraud. Every number statement percentage fact every last second is lies and madness. same way we were all lied to for decades bout logging when we banned only forms left the good kinds in 80s and didnt know we were dooming forrwsts by banning logging not savin and not know that were healthier then ever been in history!
Exccuse me! I don't know who you are (part time farmer) but PETA was NOT giving false facts. I am not a PETA follower but lets not undermine all the important information the public is now aware of thanks to PETA, HSUS, CIWF, top people in their field at so many universities (Temple Grandin, Howard Lyman ) the wealth of ground breaking documentaries, and Authors on best sellers lists: Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz, Dominion by Mathew Scully, The Book of Animal Ignorance by John Mitchinson)
@decesive01 Excuse me fukktarde peta puppet princess, but every word youre saying is lies and lunacy from decades of brwinwashing and deception from peta. You are so stupid and ignorrant crqazy and brainwashed you need be sterilized and locked away so you cannot breed vote or other activity that will affect reswt sane world population. You're too stupid and crazy to bother with or i'd prove and teach you every thing you think you know is lie, but be waste tiome, you're too fukktarded. plz die.
Wow, this is a well factual video you made here, thanks for uploading it.
I was actually starting to speculate whether PETA's "facts" were true or not, but now I see the real truth. I personally hate PETA, and thank you for showing me the reality of it all :) By the way, were those footages with the animal abuse faked or not? I'm just curious.
This is NOT a well factual video!!! If you want to know exactually how truthful PETA is, read "SLAUGHTERHOUSE" by Gail Eisnitz or many other books and Documentries made on the subject. PETA is not telling you exactually HOW BAD it really is. Everything this person said was LIES, they are not who they made themselves out to be. The animals have it worse than any of you can believe.
@decesive01 You fukktarded lunatic, the footage is lies and is not real in any way. Every word statement image statistic every second of peta produced vidz are lies and deception. Its spent millionz and decadez searching half million farms to find the graphic abuse images it uses and claims its what takes place every second on every farm none the shit happens in usa most from 3rd world countrys and decades old footage of banned practoses lied falsely presented as what happens today usa all farms
@remcomater336 Uh no, they don't many times the animals they "rescue" are usually put to sleep because they can't afford to keep them, when that animal could have gone to a shelter, out to pasture, or at least been turned into a useful product.
PETA is intrinsically LESS respectful and more wasteful by actually allowing the animal to simply die.
I at least know that a chicken gave his life for my meal, what did the cow the put to sleep and let rot in a field do?
Thank you for making this video, I had worked in the dairy industry for many years, it is so blatantly true what you keep saying, it isn't cost effective to be cruel!!!
@kd0afk I thought about that to. I also think they encourage it like to shut down places like meat farms and places that serve meat. There is a video where PETA members went to a shelter took a bunch of dogs and within an hour euthenized them and threw them in the dumpster behind a chinese resturaunt to make them look bad. They are soooo crazy. Just type in "Bullshit PETA" it tells you EVERYTHING its like a 14 min video but its so awesome.
@kd0afk I thought about that to. I also think they encourage it like to shut down places like meat farms and places that serve meat. There is a video where PETA members went to a shelter took a bunch of dogs and within an hour euthenized them and threw them in the dumpster behind a chinese resturaunt to make them look bad. They are soooo crazy. Just type in "Bullshit PETA" it tells you EVERYTHING its like a 14 min video but its so awesome.
so where are these vids coming from? did peta stage these scenes? im just against wherever these videos came from and who in there right minds think this is ok.
When will vegetarians realize that American farmers DON'T HURT THEIR ANIMALS! Healthy, unstressed, and happy animals sell for more and make better products so even a sadist will spend extra money and time to help and not abuse the animals. Almost all farmers go out of their way to ensure all animals are treated kindly and with respect. The only people who abuse their animals like that don't care about money, God, or an honest living, and I've never met that farmer or rancher.
What does peta know about farms if their headquarters are in the north with LESS farms? I live down south in Texas, we don't keep cows or pigs like that, we typically have them in huge pastures in south Texas and we DO cram them in small pens, but we do it for only slaughtering.
I just want to throw a simple fact out there. Nearly every species of animal on this planet has been documented of killing another animal. That means PETA is only addressing 0.00001% of the problem by trying to keep humans from doing it.
Who will they preach to next? Wolves, bears, sharks, bees, cats, dogs, etc?
One day I wore my favorite coat to school. I was called an animal murderer by a small group of friends and they threw food at me because PETA brainwashed them. They slowly quit talking to me after that. My favorite coat was a white FAUX FUR coat. And I was 11. They still call me an animal murderer and won't talk to me even though they know it was a fake coat. Peta is just a bunch of hypocrites and bullies.
@Bechtol91 if it's fake then ok, I understand why they would say "hey, thats gross, do u no that htey only killed it for its skin" or something like that but THROWING FOOD! thats a lil unnecessary, Im in Peta, but stupidly i didnt do my research before. I wouldnt call u an animal murderer or even tell u what i wrote, i would just let u mind your bussiness, its sad, yes...but those people arent making it any better. Not everyone from peta is bad :'( im sorry for what happened to you :/
@Bechtol91 i know how you feel, i was herding my cattle onto a feild, i was on horse back and had a revolver with me. when a group of peta drove a jeep into my herd, killing 3 bulls and then they ran out of the jeep and threw cow blood on me and called me an animal killer, i pulled out my gun and shot into the air, they ran away, i havent seen them until they were arested on arson charges, when i identified them, they were charged with killing my cattle, and destroying a hunting blind of mine.
I'm a vegan, I'm not a vegan just because of this. I did it because Idk hell... I wanted to try something new? But I still cook meat for my family, I don't really care. I don't preach to people about how animals are treated like some vegetarians do. No, were not dumb. Were normal like every other person in this world.
No it's funny because when PETA try's to show people what there eating they use the same clips nothing new? For the kfc it's the same clips they use for meet your meat. You can tell there renacting things out PETA is done now. Everyone knows the truth!
A.) loved the video, love seeing big lying organizations get whats coming B.) if animals didn't want to be eaten, THEY should have invented high-explosives.
PETA (2000++DOGS AND CATS KILLED EVERY YEAR RUNNING FOR 25 years 85-98% KILLER) = PEOPLE EUTHANIZING THE ANIMALS (FOR MONEY) Then has the NERVE to call NOKILL RESCUES, BREEDERS FARMERS ANIMAL ABUSERS.. GOOGLE PETA EUTHANIZATION RATES FOLKS!
Let us not forget that the videos in question are either staged overseas or, as is likely from the "quality" of the films, shot more than 40 years ago and no longer valid due to changes in animal farming regulations since then.
A lie of omission is still a lie. Someone should tell Peta that little fact as well as reminding them that lies never serve the truth. I have met with at least one Peta nut that believes that a lie always serves a greater truth.
I would not attempt to dismmember and skin a living 1000 lb+ animal with hooves and horns while it was hanging upside down. How does not killing it first save money?
Please tell me that most intelligent people honestly don't believe this!!!! Seriously, it all boils down to dollars and cents. If hens are stressed, they don't lay. Shocking or starving them would increase the stress level and guess what.... yep, no eggs. Come on, this may happen, but its unusual, and done by poor operators, that likely go out of business, because they HAVE to be losing money if they do as PETA claims. Again, I can't believe that rational people believe this.
maybe SOME of the horrific measures taken in food production are not standard. but isn't it appalling that they are happening at all?! the inaccuracy of the research presented here is disturbing (for example, a chicken's beak is NOT made up solely of keratin. come on, people, please give this some thought). the public needs to be responsible for educating themselves, if only to avoid backward reporting like this. i am disgusted.
I appreciate your trying to fix all their lies, but you screwed up a little too.
2:44 For example, removing constantly growing tissue like beaks or fingernails requires killing some living tissue. For example, declawing cats involves removing a few bones, not cutting their nails.
Who said they were talking about egg laying hens? They might be food.
Thank you so much for trying to point out the blatant lies that PETA advertises as "standard". Many of these practices are not common in the agricultural industry, yet PETA makes it seem like it happens at every farm, every slaughterhouse, and every point of the food industry. I just wish people could understand that these animals are a food source for consumers and a source of income for the farmers. It is in farmers best interest to treat them humanely and caring about their welfare.
PETA recently went after vice-President Biden for serving hot dogs to returning soldiers in the audience of The Colbert Report. It was severely off-putting.
Honestly who cares weather its the truth or not. Peta brings stuff to the publics eye to show you just wat u are suporting. Thies vids are taken in factory farms were time is money. I don't eat meat or animal by products or wear them cause its sick and wrong. Humans are the only other spiecies to drink anouthers milk. Animals do it to survive humans do it cause it tastes good. Big diffrnece. You can live with out animals cant. Grow up.
@discodancer6969 You are a fool. And FYI fish feel no pain because they don't have pain receptors and yet for some reason peta finds it prudent to mass market that fish feel pain. I love eating meat, don;t try to force your views on other people. You're like those religious nutjobs from Jehovah's witness. You're the one who should grow up
@gamerunknown I suppose it only stands to reason that someone would wish to bring people to the "light" if they thought they'd lost their way. But what annoys me is they fail to grasp the fact that medical advancements such as different pills, the efficacy of stem cells, these are mostly attained through vigorous animal testing. You couldn't very well experiment on humans. I mean I bet they wouldn't deny their families that treatment because it was discovered through the testing of lab mice.
To be honest animal testing doesn't bother me as much unless its superfluous. I feel that a minimum amount of pains should be inflicted on those capable of experiencing it, but humans come first. While it doesn't compare in scale and for those who don't feel empathy for animals, its a horrible analogy: Mengele's experiments and others conducted by the Nazis yielded valuable data on how long a human takes to die... But the data that resulted was not worth the deaths.
@discodancer6969 And your channel says you dislike "tollorent" people as you spelled tolerant, and yet here you are pushing forward PETA's agenda like some zombie. A walking contradiction you are girl.
@discodancer6969 that kinda makes no sense. so animals eat other animals to survive, yet couldnt the meat eating animal just eat leaves like the other animals?
@bonifidej most meat eaters are omnivores such as fox which eat berries when they are in season. however like all animals they need the proper nourishment. that is the same reason many vegans have been hospitalized. some get lucky and get what they need without knowing while others do the research so they can safely be vegan. however animals have developed to survive on a diet of what is in their area. like fox need more protein hints high meat diet plus their digestive tract processes it better
there was a doctor during the civil war used a patent as a test subject. he had a bullet hole into his stomach and the doctor put a string on a piece of meat and a string on a piece of cabbage. he put them into the stomach and pulled them out reguarlly and timed how long it took them to be digested. the meat took half as long showing that we are like fox omnivores that naturally ate more meat.
@bonifidej you had asked on an earlier comment why meat eating animals couldn't just eat leaves, and someone used fox as an example to you why they couldn't. i was just elaborating on it and pulling humans into it, to try to give a more understandable concept on how almost everything has developed to get sustenance from every food source available. another example is how rabbit and squirrels (herbivores) nibble on bones of animals that have rotted away. they do this to get calcium (cont.)
@bonifidej i can remember when i first found out about the squirrels nibbling on bones for calcium. i was walking through the woods close to a pile of cow bones. i had seen nibble marks on the bones before but this day was differnet because i walk up on a squirrel nibbling on one of the bones (the sound is what got my attention). after that i wanted to know why and did a little research to find out, it wasn't easy (i didn't have internet access at the time.)
Was the ending a joke? LOL! I hate PETA. I think someone should first blast that Ingrid Newkirk, and then blast her PETA-asshat headquarters! The only thing I agree with PETA about is killing non-edible animals for their skins. But I do not feel that way because of anything PETA has said! I've believed that way for a long time because it seems like such a waste! I'm glad you did this vid. I give it all thumbs up! Hopefully people will stop supporting this stupid organization and all it's inanity
@JTsmiley14 To kill a chicken or a cow is way different than killing a person. They have feelings yes, but nothing like ours. In the wild if one member of their herd, or flock, is taken down by a predator, the others don't spend a lot of time mourning that individual. They forget the incident happened and move on.
@TimmyGal This is absolutely false. Chimpanzees have blocked roads while they mourned a lost friend, and elephants are known for spending a great deal of time around discovered bones of other elephants. There are really countless examples if you'd like to take a serious look at animal behavior literature. I suggest looking up Jane Goodall.
@JTsmiley14 Chimpanzees are closer to humans. Cows and chickens are not. There's a difference. Sure a chimpanzee is going to feel the same way about loss that we do.
@TimmyGal I agree that chimpanzees are genetically closer to humans. Cows and chickens also show affection, form relationships with others, and exhibit sadness and mourning when a companion is lost. I've read of one beautiful story of a pair of chickens that went everywhere together on a farm. One was old and blind, and the other would help direct her to food since she could not herself see it. When the older chicken finally died, the other chicken refused to eat and soon after died himself.
@JTsmiley14 Also, elephants are not cows. They are more intelligent and probably have a better grasp of the concept of life and death than a cow does.
@TimmyGal Cows show affection for their relatives. Any dairy farmer will tell you that when a cow used for their milk has their child stripped from them (they are artificially impregnated so they'll produce milk, and the calves are used as veal) the mother cows will moo for days, or even weeks, for their young. Documented cases have been found of cows breaking out of their farms and traveling miles to other farms to find their young. There is no need for "probably"; there's scientific literature
@JTsmiley14 Yes, they will try to defend their baby. But once the baby is gone, the mother feels no mourning or sadness. Cows are not programmed that way.
@TimmyGal As I said, both dairy farmers and animal behaviorists agree that animals like cows and chickens do feel mourning and sadness, and I cited examples. This is accepted scientific fact.
I don't support the meat industry but I don't judge non veg people. I only wish they wouldn't be rude to us. (It happens a lot). I'm about sick of PETA though. They kill far more animals than they save. I use my money to donate to my local animal shelter. :)
I still don't understand how tract length will determine what you eat, is it because of fibrous roots? Because veins and other meaty goodies are just as tough. What purpose does a chicken really have? It doesn't do anything but provide food. Even in the wild they are just food, foxes hunt, bees make honey for everyone, chickens are food. They suffer needlessly in nature, should we have a public wolf burning?
@jessaraptor Our tract length gives evidence to what food we digest optimally. "Purpose" is not relevant. I could raise children for the explicit reason of eating them, that doesn't make it ethical. Slaves had no other reason in society except to be slaves. That doesn't make slavery ethical. What other animals do is irrelevant to what we do. Animals rape and kill other animals, but that doesn't mean humans should rape and kill each other.
But slaves and such actually contributed to things. Chickens don't do anything.
Also, if animals are to have freedom, it would only be fair that humans should be able to rape and kill, or that animals be put to death for hurting other animals.
@jessaraptor Slaves contributed labor and chickens contribute food. It should be noted also chat modern broiler chickens are genetically engineered mutations not found in nature. I would have no problem with those animals being moved to sanctuaries and ultimately becoming extinct.
I don't understand why you think humans should be able to rape and kill. My point was that our morals dont' come from animals.
Animals can't help harming each other in the wild.
If they cannot help harming one another then they have not reached an evolutionary point to have freedom, and have a purpose only to sustain humans. I do not feel bad for this mango I am eating, because it isn't like it is a human child. It can not talk or think, much like farm animals.
Also, I am guessing that you have never even seen a farm? Or raised a livestock animal? They really are stupid, often harming themselves through force.
@jessaraptor A lot of humans can't help harming one another, but we give them freedom. Animals exist for their own reasons and they have no "purpose" to humans except what purpose humans assign them, which is no different than human slaves.
Everyone, including you, understands that there is a huge difference between plants and animals. It's scientific fact and common knowledge. Animals do talk, even though they don't use human language.
That is like saying you have worked with livestock because you own a hamster, dogs and cats don't count. I am purchasing a competition turkey soon, is that to be condemned because I will eat it next year? Animals have no way to communicate with us, so how do we know they feel pain or have any emotions? Just because an animal jerks away when you poke it, doesn't mean it hurt.
@jessaraptor As I said, "farmed animals" as in cows, pigs, chickens. Yes, killing a turkey is to be condemned, because the turkey does not have to die. Animals have many ways to communicate with us as everyone knows, but even if you were right, the burden is on you to prove that animals CANNOT feel pain or emotions, since we need to err on the side of caution. Thus, unless you have irrefutable proof that animals DO NOT suffer, we are ethically compelled to stop exploiting and killing them.
Humans have no natural "edge" on the competition, except for problem solving and manual dexterity. We had to utilize this to capture animals and breed them for food. This is how it will always be.
On a related note, PeTA is a corrupt corporation, and because I am certain you are part of it, you should feel shamed. Many PeTA members that worked in collection trucks have admitted to killing the animals they received. PeTA also uses scare tactics in their ads. Very Nazi-esque.
@jessaraptor I think it's clear to both of us that you cannot refute my claims. That's OK; I would never expect someone who makes their living exploiting animals to agree. But at least now you know you can't argue with an articulate animal rights activist.
Your second paragraph is not related; you're just making broad, meaningless statements in order to save face, and it's obvious.
Regardless, it was nice talking to you. I hope you understand the animal rights position a little better.
I will be honest, I am annoyed that you say I can not refute your claims. If eating animals is so damaging to the planet, then animals must be eradicated, for they spawn and are eaten by other animals. The only way to save them is to eliminate them.
The second paragraph was not, because it was about the video, with clearly shows PeTA lying about what happens in agricultural production.
I fully understand activists positions. If you are so against the enslavement against animals...
@jessaraptor Eating animals is bad for the environment because of the way they are produced. Look up the United Nations report "Livestock's Long Shadow" or the University of Chicago report. How can you be a livestock farmer and not know this?
Your points about other animal use are not only way off topic, but you presume that I don't know about them. If you want to know my position about animal testing visit stopanimal tests dot com.
I only presume you don't know about them because you presume I can not read articles by myself. If we stopped farming animals, this nation would go into a depression that we would not be able to get back from. And the millions upon millions of animals would die anyway, as they do in the wild.
Then die 30 years sooner. Because almost every vaccine you get is from animal testing, and most synthetic materials have animals in them in some form or another. If you have ever gotten a skin graft, animals. Hell, even rats are used to help find ways to keep people who overdosed alive.
Animals aren't just for food, and anybody who thinks otherwise is not educated on what happens. Animals are not wasted, because every part is used. So no, grain isn't wasted, it is used to get more.
@jessaraptor I'm not going to get into an animal experimentation debate here since you're just looking for ways to avoid confronting your own ignorance on the original topic.
And I do not exploit animals. That is like saying we exploit computers because we force them to do our will and shove things into them. I utilize animals.
And the same argument can be used for you. I wouldn't expect somebody who takes care of "rescued" hamsters to understand what agriculture is. It isn't your fault, you just surround yourself in self righteous delusions that you know the TRUE purpose of animals. I chortle, condemnation for raising a turkey?
@jessaraptor I am perfectly happy with you defending your position by equating animals to objects, since it's a completely idiotic position to take, it makes my position look all the more credible.
You're just arguing with straw men now. You're not a farmer, you're just some ignorant kid. I've spoken to a lot of farmers and they're all more intelligent and informed than you. If you want to be a slave to society, I can't stop you. Some of us would like to make it better.
Getting testy? Also, nice attack to my credibility. You have no idea who I am, so good job on your part.
Also, a slave to society? Jesus, are we back to highschool rebellion now? Stick it to the man, brah. The rest of us would like to go to work and get money for our families.
And your position does not look credible, because laboratories have been burned by activists. How many animal rights offices have been burned to the ground? 0. They also don't save lives.
In fact, the more we argue, it seems the more you get agitated, running out of "evidence"? Or just fed up because you are talking to us Animal Nazi's ruining your logic.
@JTsmiley14 Oh boy! Comparing humans eating chickens to humans raping another human. That's wrong. There is no similarity in that at all. Typical silly vegetarian argument.
@TimmyGal The non vegetarian implictly draws the connection when they say that animals eating other animals is grounds for humans eating animals. The implied logic is that we should hold ourselves to the same morality that we hold animals to. The comparison with animals raping other animals shows the logic to be false. If you want to argue that animals are different than humans in a specific way, you can, but that's a different argument. I was responding to the aforementioned one.
@TimmyGal "Equal" is oversimplifying it. No. Chickens deserve equal consideration insofar as their interests are concerned. Chickens have no interest in voting, so a chicken's right to vote would be meaningless. However, a chicken does have an interest in not having his or her beak seared off and living in a cage the size of a sheet of paper for their whole life.
@JTsmiley14 so if food companies lie on their cartons then it's ok for peta to lie too? that's kind of an issue if it claims to be a company that reveals the truth.
@JTsmiley14 it's not a percentage thing, this isn't math. this is about recognition. but if you want to go that way, then what's stopping peta from spending their 2% of time left over to recognize organizations that do treat animals ethically? they absolutely should recognize exceptions. what they're doing doesn't support ethical organizations at all, other than peta itself. peta made this video purely for monetary gain, not for the protection of animals. a lie is a lie.
@ispinintights Actually PETA does recognize companies that are ahead of the game in terms of their performance, and when possible works with animal industries to make reforms. PETA gives a lot of awards for "progressive" companies.
If PETA did it for monetary gain, then how come they give out hundreds of thousands of pieces of free literature every year? Or why don't they join a for-profit industry like the money-hungry companies they oppose? The farmers here are the ones after money.
@ispinintights But I don't believe they're misleading people. I believe that products that put nice pretty pictures of open pastures on their products are misleading the public an awful lot more, don't you?
You don't have to wholeheartedly agree with anybody, but I think PETA encourages people to question that which is shoved down our throats on a daily basis, and considering the deaths of billions of animals are involved, that's probably worth investigating on our own terms, right?
@JTsmiley14 i'm not saying that it doesn't exist, my problem is that peta does not bother to make a distinction between these facilities and ethical ones. peta fails to mention that there ARE ethical farming institutions out there, and that it's easy to check the background of the eggs and meat and milk you're buying to make sure animals are treated humanely. peta never even hints at this, and gives viewers the impression that every single farm is like this.
@ispinintights I know that PETA does draw distinctions, but since 98% of animal products come from factory farms, attempting to spend 50% of their limited time to speak with the public through images and ads would be MORE dishonest than spending 100% of it talking about 98% of the food people eat every day. To be effective, a message cannot be a novel and cannot take into account all the exceptions to the rule. In 98% of cases based on the figures, PETA is right. I think that's good.
@Merlintothemax It does hurt the worker. Human Rights Watch released an extensive report on the terrible working conditions in slaughterhouses for workers given the constant pressure to process animals fast.
Wow, I always knew what PETA was but never really researched. I always thought that they earned respect from everyone, but I guess not. Apparently they just want attention regardless the cost.
Nearly all Vets and shelters put pets down rather than costly hoardering. Who is the real blame, breeders and people who dont adopt and spay or neuter. PETA spares many more by promoting, a veg saves 1000's from torture then death in factory farms in a lifetime.
I like the groups Vegan Outreach, MFA or just keep it about the animals. So I hope the critics adopt pets and are vegan then if they care about animals. Worry about your action, you dont have to agree with everything they do.
@ILikeShinny Nearly all Vets and shelters put pets down rather than costly hoardering. Who is the real blame, breeders and people who dont adopt and spay or neuter. PETA spares many more by promoting, a veg saves 1000's from torture then death in factory farms in a lifetime.
I like the groups Vegan Outreach, MFA or just keep it about the animals. So I hope the critics adopt pets and are vegan then if they care about animals. Worry about your action, u dont have to agree with all they do
@VeganMotorcyclePilot What's sick about you is you use vegan in your name like a fucking status symbol.
Peta claim to love animals, recieve 300 million in funding a year, yet thousands of animals - most of which are capable of re-homing, are euthanised for convenience.
@gogman25 dumb dumb its in my name to promote and yes its something to be proud of too! Lets talk animals, not just a group of people. Get your facts right, $300 million way off, but its donors $ not yours and they approve. A few vegetarians saves more lives and less suffering than all the dogs put down, which nearly all vets and shelters due too. They must deal with problems society creates by not adopting, breeders and pet stores. Back to factory farms and unncessary animal abuse
@houstonhelpanimals I'd rather save a dog's life than a cows. A beef steak looks better on the plate than a potential doggie friend looks wrapped up in a trash bag!!
@gogman25 PETA's annual budget is about 10% of your quoted number, and most of the animals they receive are not capable of re-homing. PETA does not run a shelter; it is where people take animals when there is no other option. The problem is that people breed animals and allow them to breed, and then get rid of their animals. Each year 6-8 million dogs and cats become homeless, and nearly half must be euthanized because there are not enough homes.
@JTsmiley14 However, PETA are known to attempt to take animals FROM people when they're in perfect shape and simply pick up any pets they see, and from donations and profits from seperate businesses they do make roughly 300 million a year, it is also estimated 80% of the animals they recieve are capable are of re-homing.
Along with these facts, why on Earth do they Euthanise such an incredible amount in the first place, often other animal shelters have spare kennels and facilities to spare.
@gogman25 Your "perfect shape" pet information can only be from the CCF, which is a corporate lobbying firm paid by the livestock, tobacco, alcohol, and restaurant companies, and is unsubstantiated. PETA's annual budget is about $34 million, which they are required by law to post on their website. As a 501(c)3 non profit that has been repeatedly audited by the IRS, they have no way of lying about it. They're an animal charity. :)
@JTsmiley14 Thirty-four million would not be enough to run projects throughout multiple countries and manage to put up a fair few adverts on television in a year.
And if that is true - then why do they even bother to accept animals? Then why have they been known to pick up cats that aren't strays from streets and are in perfect shape?
@gogman25 How do you know what would be enough? :) It's important to remember that most of PETA's notoriety comes from free advertising in the form of media coverage and free ad placements due to PETA's philanthropic cause.
In any case, PETA's international affiliates are separate entities, and are generally very small (15-20 people).
The bottom line is that PETA has to disclose all of their budget to the federal government by virtue of their non-profit status.
@gogman25 The reason PETA takes in animals is because sometimes, because so many people in this world think they can breed animals and then dump them at a shelter when they're tired of them, euthanasia is the best option.
PETA is a last resort. No-kill shelters are always full because they can't euthanise animals, and they end up cruelly warehousing them. The other option is painless death by euthanasia. If left on the street animals starve or are euthanized by animal control.
@EMOTIONALLOGICABLE it would be a lie if they recorded only one farm that did things in an non-ethical manner and then claim that ALL farms are like this. kind of like how somebody could record asshole behavior being exhibited by one of your relatives while they were having a bad day, and then claiming that you and your whole family were complete assholes using that recording as "proof". So even though they recorded this behavior, it would still be a lie.
@AuroraMoon I disagree. If PETA could find one slaughterhouse like this then there are many else out there, either not being regulated by the FDA or are breaking FDA regulations and guidlines in order to put their cheap neatly wrapped products on the shelves at supermarkets. unless the FDA and board of health and other agencies get after these people, they seem to do whatever they want.
@EMOTIONALLOGICABLE I do agree that we need to be more aware about what sort of farms we buy from so that we don't end up sponsoring their cruelty. However Peta is basically saying that ALL farms are like this, and that we should ban eating meat, and other animal products for this reason. now THAT is a lie. As the person who made the video points out, there are a dozen farms out there who does things ethically and humanely for each one that doesn't.
@AuroraMoon Yes they want people to go vegetarian, and ultimately they are proven right (atleast mostly right when it comes to health.) Now if the farms that PETA shot this footage are cruel to animals, while the majority of farms are humane then the owners of this farm should be brought up on cruelty charges and the farm shut down for an investigation.
@EMOTIONALLOGICABLE I don't see how Peta claiming all farms are like this proves that being a vegetarian is ultimately the way to go. Humans are omnivores, meaning that we need both veggies and MEAT to live. I've heard of some vegetarians who died due to malnutrition. I buy my foods from organic or free-roaming farms, and the animals that I eat had never been treated inhumanely in their whole lives, far as I know. they lived an happy, comfortable life before it was time for them to become food.
@AuroraMoon Humans do not need meat or animal products to thrive, as is proven by the millions of vegans who have lived for decades in the United States, and are in fact much healthier than the general population. We have much lower rates of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and obesity.
There is nothing humans need from animal products that cannot also be found in a vegan diet. The American Dietetic Association and other nonpartisan groups all agree that anyone can be vegan. :)
@JTsmiley14 That may be so.... but there's still the fact that a meat-eater can still live by a strong ethical code and treat animals humanely. with the right amount of research and resources, we meat-eaters can support family farms that treats animals humanely over those factory farms. Instead of condemning people who eat meat, you should just give them the chance to educate themselves about factory farms. Sometimes going veggie is way too expensive in certain areas, and some can't afford it.
@AuroraMoon Thanks for the reply, Aurora! We could potentially have local farms that treat animals better, but that kind of care would drive meat prices up very high and we would necessarily have to cut down our meat consumption heavily. Furthermore, if you disagree with factory farms, then you're ethically bound to only support farms that you agree with, which means that outside of eating meat from your local market, you need to be vegan. That'd be fine by me.
@AuroraMoon And while meat substitutes may be expensive, eating healthy as a vegan is not expensive. Beans, rice, lentils, and grains are all very cheap to buy in bulk, and they can be used as the base for countless tasty and healthy dishes. With the money saved buying these items in bulk, you can purchase fruits, vegetables, and nuts to add to recipes. Trust me, I make crap for money, but I eat healthy and vegan. :)
@KaseiHikari Assuming you meant my comment about vegans being stupid. Sorry. But it's the truth. I've never met a vegetarian that was either civil or intelligent.
@TimmyGal I think you just proved Kasei's point again. I'd also love for you to show me a coherent argument for your position, since you've only made childish insults and logical fallacies so far. You can private message it to me since it's no doubt more complicated than can be fit into a youtube response.
@JTsmiley14 Thanks. :) BTW that wasn't Kasei commenting, it was me. She's my sister and uses the "stay signed in" thing. I often forget to check if I'm on her account. XD
@TimmyGal Well I have a hard time being convinced by someone who won't take a position but refuse to provide the evidence for it. I'm sure you'll understand.
I suggest taking a look at the following books: "Eating Animals", "Speciesism", and "Animal Liberation" for an idea of where PETA and animal rights activists are coming from.
@JTsmiley14 That's OK. You haven't convinced me of anything either. ARAs are going to only tell people what they want them to hear. I can read all those books, they would have no impact on how I feel about eating meat because I know better.
@TimmyGal So, you haven't read any animal behavior studies, nor have you read any of the literature on animal rights, yet you do know that you "know better" than the arguments contained therein?
Do you not understand how I interpret what you say as willful ignorance and a logical contradiction?
I mean I can't make you stop eating meat, but don't have any delusions about the fact that your position has no evidence to support it.
@JTsmiley14 I know better than PETA. PETA will tell you and show you only what they want you to see. And they anthropomorphize animal behavior, which is not good. You are the one who is delusional if you believe everything PETA lays out.
@TimmyGal Animal behaviorists, philosophers, and scientific consensus are essentially in agreement on this issue. I'm not trying to attack you, I'm merely trying to tell you that, if you are interested in the truth, you're currently misinformed. But I'm not sure you're interseted in the truth. And I can't convince you to be.
peta probable either staged these travisties themselves or searched long and hard for the very worst examples in history to support their side
megazwatcher 2 days ago
Guess what everyone. PETA kills animals too. PETA admitted to killing over 10,000 cats and dogs. Look up "PETA admits to killing thousands" on YouTube to watch the video. Fight for the right to hunt! Repost on every PETA video you can!
joe72907290 3 weeks ago
"If you thought it couldn't be any worse, think again"
You're absolutley right, you're still talking.
ariandynas 1 month ago
Really, simplest way to debunk these.
Think about it selfishly.
If you were a farmer, would YOU want to waste money, letting birds die by the droves, wading in their own filth as they continally become more contaiminated?
Not if you wanna make money and NOT be shut down by the CDC/FDA/any combination of alphabet soup.
ariandynas 1 month ago
i applaud any one whose smart enough to know yet how evil peta and itws subsidiaries like sea terror (shepard) greenpeace elf alf etc are and how every word is liez dece3ption fraud. Every number statement percentage fact every last second is lies and madness. same way we were all lied to for decades bout logging when we banned only forms left the good kinds in 80s and didnt know we were dooming forrwsts by banning logging not savin and not know that were healthier then ever been in history!
dudeluvsbettas 2 months ago
Exccuse me! I don't know who you are (part time farmer) but PETA was NOT giving false facts. I am not a PETA follower but lets not undermine all the important information the public is now aware of thanks to PETA, HSUS, CIWF, top people in their field at so many universities (Temple Grandin, Howard Lyman ) the wealth of ground breaking documentaries, and Authors on best sellers lists: Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz, Dominion by Mathew Scully, The Book of Animal Ignorance by John Mitchinson)
decesive01 2 months ago
@decesive01 Excuse me fukktarde peta puppet princess, but every word youre saying is lies and lunacy from decades of brwinwashing and deception from peta. You are so stupid and ignorrant crqazy and brainwashed you need be sterilized and locked away so you cannot breed vote or other activity that will affect reswt sane world population. You're too stupid and crazy to bother with or i'd prove and teach you every thing you think you know is lie, but be waste tiome, you're too fukktarded. plz die.
dudeluvsbettas 2 months ago
Wow, this is a well factual video you made here, thanks for uploading it.
I was actually starting to speculate whether PETA's "facts" were true or not, but now I see the real truth. I personally hate PETA, and thank you for showing me the reality of it all :) By the way, were those footages with the animal abuse faked or not? I'm just curious.
KatGirlRules 3 months ago
@KatGirlRules
This is NOT a well factual video!!! If you want to know exactually how truthful PETA is, read "SLAUGHTERHOUSE" by Gail Eisnitz or many other books and Documentries made on the subject. PETA is not telling you exactually HOW BAD it really is. Everything this person said was LIES, they are not who they made themselves out to be. The animals have it worse than any of you can believe.
decesive01 2 months ago
All the footage you saw was REAL! Don't think al of this is some kind of game. This is real, real, real.
decesive01 2 months ago
@decesive01 You fukktarded lunatic, the footage is lies and is not real in any way. Every word statement image statistic every second of peta produced vidz are lies and deception. Its spent millionz and decadez searching half million farms to find the graphic abuse images it uses and claims its what takes place every second on every farm none the shit happens in usa most from 3rd world countrys and decades old footage of banned practoses lied falsely presented as what happens today usa all farms
dudeluvsbettas 2 months ago
@KatGirlRules how can someone hate PETA, they give animals a better life
remcomater336 1 month ago
@remcomater336 THEY DON'T THEY KILL DOGS AND CATS AND OTHER ANIMALS
AGdollsproductions11 1 month ago
@remcomater336 Uh no, they don't many times the animals they "rescue" are usually put to sleep because they can't afford to keep them, when that animal could have gone to a shelter, out to pasture, or at least been turned into a useful product.
PETA is intrinsically LESS respectful and more wasteful by actually allowing the animal to simply die.
I at least know that a chicken gave his life for my meal, what did the cow the put to sleep and let rot in a field do?
ariandynas 1 month ago
Thank you for making this video, I had worked in the dairy industry for many years, it is so blatantly true what you keep saying, it isn't cost effective to be cruel!!!
eranredick 3 months ago
It wouldn't surprise me if the people mistreating the animals in the PETA videos were PETA employees.
kd0afk 4 months ago
@kd0afk I thought about that to. I also think they encourage it like to shut down places like meat farms and places that serve meat. There is a video where PETA members went to a shelter took a bunch of dogs and within an hour euthenized them and threw them in the dumpster behind a chinese resturaunt to make them look bad. They are soooo crazy. Just type in "Bullshit PETA" it tells you EVERYTHING its like a 14 min video but its so awesome.
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@kd0afk I thought about that to. I also think they encourage it like to shut down places like meat farms and places that serve meat. There is a video where PETA members went to a shelter took a bunch of dogs and within an hour euthenized them and threw them in the dumpster behind a chinese resturaunt to make them look bad. They are soooo crazy. Just type in "Bullshit PETA" it tells you EVERYTHING its like a 14 min video but its so awesome.
1NecroSpawn 4 months ago
I always knew those animal rights activists had brains the size of soybeans! XD
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Shadowfang3000 5 months ago
so where are these vids coming from? did peta stage these scenes? im just against wherever these videos came from and who in there right minds think this is ok.
TheBeetlebum82 5 months ago
vegans annoy me they deny me the right to eat my steak in peace
JURYJOHMZOMBIE 5 months ago
When will vegetarians realize that American farmers DON'T HURT THEIR ANIMALS! Healthy, unstressed, and happy animals sell for more and make better products so even a sadist will spend extra money and time to help and not abuse the animals. Almost all farmers go out of their way to ensure all animals are treated kindly and with respect. The only people who abuse their animals like that don't care about money, God, or an honest living, and I've never met that farmer or rancher.
bnoury0 5 months ago 7
I HATE PETA with the intensity of a million burning suns. They are a bunch of idiots who embarrass Norfolk, VA.
You don't want to eat meat or wear leather? Fine, but don't treat those of us who DO as evil monsters, okay?
cfstar317 5 months ago
What does peta know about farms if their headquarters are in the north with LESS farms? I live down south in Texas, we don't keep cows or pigs like that, we typically have them in huge pastures in south Texas and we DO cram them in small pens, but we do it for only slaughtering.
Perfectlyscience67 6 months ago
@Perfectlyscience67 , the PETA HQ is in Norfolk, VA. Which is in the mid-Atlantic region. Just so you know.
cfstar317 5 months ago
and to grind their teeth down.
beavthetrapper 6 months ago
Where are the videos from,peta show?
gatorfresh 6 months ago
I just want to throw a simple fact out there. Nearly every species of animal on this planet has been documented of killing another animal. That means PETA is only addressing 0.00001% of the problem by trying to keep humans from doing it.
Who will they preach to next? Wolves, bears, sharks, bees, cats, dogs, etc?
DraigonBoy 6 months ago
And yet still so delicious...
DayLoukarai 6 months ago
One day I wore my favorite coat to school. I was called an animal murderer by a small group of friends and they threw food at me because PETA brainwashed them. They slowly quit talking to me after that. My favorite coat was a white FAUX FUR coat. And I was 11. They still call me an animal murderer and won't talk to me even though they know it was a fake coat. Peta is just a bunch of hypocrites and bullies.
Bechtol91 7 months ago
@Bechtol91 if it's fake then ok, I understand why they would say "hey, thats gross, do u no that htey only killed it for its skin" or something like that but THROWING FOOD! thats a lil unnecessary, Im in Peta, but stupidly i didnt do my research before. I wouldnt call u an animal murderer or even tell u what i wrote, i would just let u mind your bussiness, its sad, yes...but those people arent making it any better. Not everyone from peta is bad :'( im sorry for what happened to you :/
123MrsBOB123 7 months ago
@Bechtol91 i know how you feel, i was herding my cattle onto a feild, i was on horse back and had a revolver with me. when a group of peta drove a jeep into my herd, killing 3 bulls and then they ran out of the jeep and threw cow blood on me and called me an animal killer, i pulled out my gun and shot into the air, they ran away, i havent seen them until they were arested on arson charges, when i identified them, they were charged with killing my cattle, and destroying a hunting blind of mine.
TheMatthess 6 months ago
In one video PETA actually brought in a cage of rats and let them go them went "this place is filthy and unsanitary! Help us shut it down!"
They've killed more animals than they've saved and peta employees have faced charges for animal abuse.
Look up "peta kills animals" they even provide links of documents to prove (as someone stated below) peta is acting more like a slaughterhouse.
Bechtol91 7 months ago
I'm a vegan, I'm not a vegan just because of this. I did it because Idk hell... I wanted to try something new? But I still cook meat for my family, I don't really care. I don't preach to people about how animals are treated like some vegetarians do. No, were not dumb. Were normal like every other person in this world.
TheSmilingHippiee 7 months ago
No it's funny because when PETA try's to show people what there eating they use the same clips nothing new? For the kfc it's the same clips they use for meet your meat. You can tell there renacting things out PETA is done now. Everyone knows the truth!
TheSmilingHippiee 7 months ago
A.) loved the video, love seeing big lying organizations get whats coming B.) if animals didn't want to be eaten, THEY should have invented high-explosives.
MrWarlord396 7 months ago
PETA (2000++DOGS AND CATS KILLED EVERY YEAR RUNNING FOR 25 years 85-98% KILLER) = PEOPLE EUTHANIZING THE ANIMALS (FOR MONEY) Then has the NERVE to call NOKILL RESCUES, BREEDERS FARMERS ANIMAL ABUSERS.. GOOGLE PETA EUTHANIZATION RATES FOLKS!
TheExposingthelies 8 months ago
is that Alec Baldwin narrating ?
davidrandom1979 8 months ago
@GhoreuRSProdutions Wow, did they REALLY compare poultry to jews? >:\ Chicken is here for 1 reason on this earth: To make and produce food.
AquaPearl10 8 months ago
@AquaPearl10 In china they say the same about dogs
zpider96 8 months ago
Many cattle breeds are hornless (ex: angus) and many modern farmers use eartags instead of branding.
Tallcupholders 8 months ago
Six million people died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses.
- Ingrid Newkirk
President of PETA
GoreuRSProdutions 9 months ago
@GoreuRSProdutions 1 Person Equals Infentet ∞ animals
other words Human>Animals notice there is no line under the greater then.
mrmasterice1 8 months ago
Let us not forget that the videos in question are either staged overseas or, as is likely from the "quality" of the films, shot more than 40 years ago and no longer valid due to changes in animal farming regulations since then.
A lie of omission is still a lie. Someone should tell Peta that little fact as well as reminding them that lies never serve the truth. I have met with at least one Peta nut that believes that a lie always serves a greater truth.
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Vaicurious 10 months ago
I would not attempt to dismmember and skin a living 1000 lb+ animal with hooves and horns while it was hanging upside down. How does not killing it first save money?
picatsoforfma 10 months ago
Please tell me that most intelligent people honestly don't believe this!!!! Seriously, it all boils down to dollars and cents. If hens are stressed, they don't lay. Shocking or starving them would increase the stress level and guess what.... yep, no eggs. Come on, this may happen, but its unusual, and done by poor operators, that likely go out of business, because they HAVE to be losing money if they do as PETA claims. Again, I can't believe that rational people believe this.
Downedworker 11 months ago
maybe SOME of the horrific measures taken in food production are not standard. but isn't it appalling that they are happening at all?! the inaccuracy of the research presented here is disturbing (for example, a chicken's beak is NOT made up solely of keratin. come on, people, please give this some thought). the public needs to be responsible for educating themselves, if only to avoid backward reporting like this. i am disgusted.
HPBPII 1 year ago
@HPBPII Are these inaccuracies really as bad as the PETA's?
DayLoukarai 6 months ago
@msannoyed u are lie
sagar9501 1 year ago
I appreciate your trying to fix all their lies, but you screwed up a little too.
2:44 For example, removing constantly growing tissue like beaks or fingernails requires killing some living tissue. For example, declawing cats involves removing a few bones, not cutting their nails.
Who said they were talking about egg laying hens? They might be food.
Christhefireshark 1 year ago
ALEC BALDWIN? :'(
mortology 1 year ago
Thank you so much for trying to point out the blatant lies that PETA advertises as "standard". Many of these practices are not common in the agricultural industry, yet PETA makes it seem like it happens at every farm, every slaughterhouse, and every point of the food industry. I just wish people could understand that these animals are a food source for consumers and a source of income for the farmers. It is in farmers best interest to treat them humanely and caring about their welfare.
theruralprincess 1 year ago
PETA recently went after vice-President Biden for serving hot dogs to returning soldiers in the audience of The Colbert Report. It was severely off-putting.
Ari22682 1 year ago
P.s. why are there no vids of your proff you do treat animals completly diffrent than peta says?
discodancer6969 1 year ago
Honestly who cares weather its the truth or not. Peta brings stuff to the publics eye to show you just wat u are suporting. Thies vids are taken in factory farms were time is money. I don't eat meat or animal by products or wear them cause its sick and wrong. Humans are the only other spiecies to drink anouthers milk. Animals do it to survive humans do it cause it tastes good. Big diffrnece. You can live with out animals cant. Grow up.
discodancer6969 1 year ago
@discodancer6969 You are a fool. And FYI fish feel no pain because they don't have pain receptors and yet for some reason peta finds it prudent to mass market that fish feel pain. I love eating meat, don;t try to force your views on other people. You're like those religious nutjobs from Jehovah's witness. You're the one who should grow up
JohnBrody23 1 year ago
@JohnBrody23
Some species of fish have nociceptors and respond to damaging stimuli differently than to neutral stimuli. This has been demonstrated experimentally.
Also, if you entertained the idea that eating meat is morally wrong, wouldn't you feel compelled to try and stop people eating meat?
I suppose your analogy holds true as a religious person feels responsible for converting those outside of their religion.
gamerunknown 1 year ago
@gamerunknown I suppose it only stands to reason that someone would wish to bring people to the "light" if they thought they'd lost their way. But what annoys me is they fail to grasp the fact that medical advancements such as different pills, the efficacy of stem cells, these are mostly attained through vigorous animal testing. You couldn't very well experiment on humans. I mean I bet they wouldn't deny their families that treatment because it was discovered through the testing of lab mice.
JohnBrody23 1 year ago
@JohnBrody23
To be honest animal testing doesn't bother me as much unless its superfluous. I feel that a minimum amount of pains should be inflicted on those capable of experiencing it, but humans come first. While it doesn't compare in scale and for those who don't feel empathy for animals, its a horrible analogy: Mengele's experiments and others conducted by the Nazis yielded valuable data on how long a human takes to die... But the data that resulted was not worth the deaths.
gamerunknown 1 year ago
@discodancer6969 And your channel says you dislike "tollorent" people as you spelled tolerant, and yet here you are pushing forward PETA's agenda like some zombie. A walking contradiction you are girl.
JohnBrody23 1 year ago
@discodancer6969 that kinda makes no sense. so animals eat other animals to survive, yet couldnt the meat eating animal just eat leaves like the other animals?
bonifidej 1 year ago
@bonifidej Because the dont have the same digestive tract. But omnivores can eat both.
pampamproductions 1 year ago
@bonifidej most meat eaters are omnivores such as fox which eat berries when they are in season. however like all animals they need the proper nourishment. that is the same reason many vegans have been hospitalized. some get lucky and get what they need without knowing while others do the research so they can safely be vegan. however animals have developed to survive on a diet of what is in their area. like fox need more protein hints high meat diet plus their digestive tract processes it better
beavthetrapper 6 months ago
there was a doctor during the civil war used a patent as a test subject. he had a bullet hole into his stomach and the doctor put a string on a piece of meat and a string on a piece of cabbage. he put them into the stomach and pulled them out reguarlly and timed how long it took them to be digested. the meat took half as long showing that we are like fox omnivores that naturally ate more meat.
beavthetrapper 6 months ago
@beavthetrapper right.....im not sure i see your point.
bonifidej 6 months ago
@bonifidej you had asked on an earlier comment why meat eating animals couldn't just eat leaves, and someone used fox as an example to you why they couldn't. i was just elaborating on it and pulling humans into it, to try to give a more understandable concept on how almost everything has developed to get sustenance from every food source available. another example is how rabbit and squirrels (herbivores) nibble on bones of animals that have rotted away. they do this to get calcium (cont.)
beavthetrapper 6 months ago
@beavthetrapper hmmmmm thats very interesting i didnt know that
bonifidej 6 months ago
@bonifidej i can remember when i first found out about the squirrels nibbling on bones for calcium. i was walking through the woods close to a pile of cow bones. i had seen nibble marks on the bones before but this day was differnet because i walk up on a squirrel nibbling on one of the bones (the sound is what got my attention). after that i wanted to know why and did a little research to find out, it wasn't easy (i didn't have internet access at the time.)
beavthetrapper 6 months ago
@beavthetrapper hmmm that would be a very odd sight to see.
bonifidej 6 months ago
@bonifidej it was at the very least one of the more interesting things i have seen in the woods.
beavthetrapper 6 months ago
Was the ending a joke? LOL! I hate PETA. I think someone should first blast that Ingrid Newkirk, and then blast her PETA-asshat headquarters! The only thing I agree with PETA about is killing non-edible animals for their skins. But I do not feel that way because of anything PETA has said! I've believed that way for a long time because it seems like such a waste! I'm glad you did this vid. I give it all thumbs up! Hopefully people will stop supporting this stupid organization and all it's inanity
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal Advocating What does your religion or belief system say about advocating the murder of innocent people?
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 To kill a chicken or a cow is way different than killing a person. They have feelings yes, but nothing like ours. In the wild if one member of their herd, or flock, is taken down by a predator, the others don't spend a lot of time mourning that individual. They forget the incident happened and move on.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal This is absolutely false. Chimpanzees have blocked roads while they mourned a lost friend, and elephants are known for spending a great deal of time around discovered bones of other elephants. There are really countless examples if you'd like to take a serious look at animal behavior literature. I suggest looking up Jane Goodall.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 Chimpanzees are closer to humans. Cows and chickens are not. There's a difference. Sure a chimpanzee is going to feel the same way about loss that we do.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal I agree that chimpanzees are genetically closer to humans. Cows and chickens also show affection, form relationships with others, and exhibit sadness and mourning when a companion is lost. I've read of one beautiful story of a pair of chickens that went everywhere together on a farm. One was old and blind, and the other would help direct her to food since she could not herself see it. When the older chicken finally died, the other chicken refused to eat and soon after died himself.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 Also, elephants are not cows. They are more intelligent and probably have a better grasp of the concept of life and death than a cow does.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal Cows show affection for their relatives. Any dairy farmer will tell you that when a cow used for their milk has their child stripped from them (they are artificially impregnated so they'll produce milk, and the calves are used as veal) the mother cows will moo for days, or even weeks, for their young. Documented cases have been found of cows breaking out of their farms and traveling miles to other farms to find their young. There is no need for "probably"; there's scientific literature
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 Yes, they will try to defend their baby. But once the baby is gone, the mother feels no mourning or sadness. Cows are not programmed that way.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal As I said, both dairy farmers and animal behaviorists agree that animals like cows and chickens do feel mourning and sadness, and I cited examples. This is accepted scientific fact.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago 6
@JTsmiley14 According to which behaviorists to whom?
MyOwnLittleRepublic2 2 months ago
I don't support the meat industry but I don't judge non veg people. I only wish they wouldn't be rude to us. (It happens a lot). I'm about sick of PETA though. They kill far more animals than they save. I use my money to donate to my local animal shelter. :)
Sarastuff999 1 year ago
@Sarastuff999 Believe me when I say I've seen MANY more vegetarians who were rude to non-vegetarians!
TimmyGal 1 year ago
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KaseiHikari 1 year ago
I still don't understand how tract length will determine what you eat, is it because of fibrous roots? Because veins and other meaty goodies are just as tough. What purpose does a chicken really have? It doesn't do anything but provide food. Even in the wild they are just food, foxes hunt, bees make honey for everyone, chickens are food. They suffer needlessly in nature, should we have a public wolf burning?
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@jessaraptor Our tract length gives evidence to what food we digest optimally. "Purpose" is not relevant. I could raise children for the explicit reason of eating them, that doesn't make it ethical. Slaves had no other reason in society except to be slaves. That doesn't make slavery ethical. What other animals do is irrelevant to what we do. Animals rape and kill other animals, but that doesn't mean humans should rape and kill each other.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
But slaves and such actually contributed to things. Chickens don't do anything.
Also, if animals are to have freedom, it would only be fair that humans should be able to rape and kill, or that animals be put to death for hurting other animals.
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@jessaraptor Slaves contributed labor and chickens contribute food. It should be noted also chat modern broiler chickens are genetically engineered mutations not found in nature. I would have no problem with those animals being moved to sanctuaries and ultimately becoming extinct.
I don't understand why you think humans should be able to rape and kill. My point was that our morals dont' come from animals.
Animals can't help harming each other in the wild.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
If they cannot help harming one another then they have not reached an evolutionary point to have freedom, and have a purpose only to sustain humans. I do not feel bad for this mango I am eating, because it isn't like it is a human child. It can not talk or think, much like farm animals.
Also, I am guessing that you have never even seen a farm? Or raised a livestock animal? They really are stupid, often harming themselves through force.
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@jessaraptor A lot of humans can't help harming one another, but we give them freedom. Animals exist for their own reasons and they have no "purpose" to humans except what purpose humans assign them, which is no different than human slaves.
Everyone, including you, understands that there is a huge difference between plants and animals. It's scientific fact and common knowledge. Animals do talk, even though they don't use human language.
I have worked with farmed animals at sanctuaries.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
That is like saying you have worked with livestock because you own a hamster, dogs and cats don't count. I am purchasing a competition turkey soon, is that to be condemned because I will eat it next year? Animals have no way to communicate with us, so how do we know they feel pain or have any emotions? Just because an animal jerks away when you poke it, doesn't mean it hurt.
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@jessaraptor As I said, "farmed animals" as in cows, pigs, chickens. Yes, killing a turkey is to be condemned, because the turkey does not have to die. Animals have many ways to communicate with us as everyone knows, but even if you were right, the burden is on you to prove that animals CANNOT feel pain or emotions, since we need to err on the side of caution. Thus, unless you have irrefutable proof that animals DO NOT suffer, we are ethically compelled to stop exploiting and killing them.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
Humans have no natural "edge" on the competition, except for problem solving and manual dexterity. We had to utilize this to capture animals and breed them for food. This is how it will always be.
On a related note, PeTA is a corrupt corporation, and because I am certain you are part of it, you should feel shamed. Many PeTA members that worked in collection trucks have admitted to killing the animals they received. PeTA also uses scare tactics in their ads. Very Nazi-esque.
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@jessaraptor I think it's clear to both of us that you cannot refute my claims. That's OK; I would never expect someone who makes their living exploiting animals to agree. But at least now you know you can't argue with an articulate animal rights activist.
Your second paragraph is not related; you're just making broad, meaningless statements in order to save face, and it's obvious.
Regardless, it was nice talking to you. I hope you understand the animal rights position a little better.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
I will be honest, I am annoyed that you say I can not refute your claims. If eating animals is so damaging to the planet, then animals must be eradicated, for they spawn and are eaten by other animals. The only way to save them is to eliminate them.
The second paragraph was not, because it was about the video, with clearly shows PeTA lying about what happens in agricultural production.
I fully understand activists positions. If you are so against the enslavement against animals...
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@jessaraptor Eating animals is bad for the environment because of the way they are produced. Look up the United Nations report "Livestock's Long Shadow" or the University of Chicago report. How can you be a livestock farmer and not know this?
Your points about other animal use are not only way off topic, but you presume that I don't know about them. If you want to know my position about animal testing visit stopanimal tests dot com.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
I only presume you don't know about them because you presume I can not read articles by myself. If we stopped farming animals, this nation would go into a depression that we would not be able to get back from. And the millions upon millions of animals would die anyway, as they do in the wild.
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
Then die 30 years sooner. Because almost every vaccine you get is from animal testing, and most synthetic materials have animals in them in some form or another. If you have ever gotten a skin graft, animals. Hell, even rats are used to help find ways to keep people who overdosed alive.
Animals aren't just for food, and anybody who thinks otherwise is not educated on what happens. Animals are not wasted, because every part is used. So no, grain isn't wasted, it is used to get more.
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@jessaraptor I'm not going to get into an animal experimentation debate here since you're just looking for ways to avoid confronting your own ignorance on the original topic.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
Then I have won if you do not want to talk on a subject perfectly related, it is about us "enslaving animals".
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
And I do not exploit animals. That is like saying we exploit computers because we force them to do our will and shove things into them. I utilize animals.
And the same argument can be used for you. I wouldn't expect somebody who takes care of "rescued" hamsters to understand what agriculture is. It isn't your fault, you just surround yourself in self righteous delusions that you know the TRUE purpose of animals. I chortle, condemnation for raising a turkey?
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@jessaraptor I am perfectly happy with you defending your position by equating animals to objects, since it's a completely idiotic position to take, it makes my position look all the more credible.
You're just arguing with straw men now. You're not a farmer, you're just some ignorant kid. I've spoken to a lot of farmers and they're all more intelligent and informed than you. If you want to be a slave to society, I can't stop you. Some of us would like to make it better.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
Getting testy? Also, nice attack to my credibility. You have no idea who I am, so good job on your part.
Also, a slave to society? Jesus, are we back to highschool rebellion now? Stick it to the man, brah. The rest of us would like to go to work and get money for our families.
And your position does not look credible, because laboratories have been burned by activists. How many animal rights offices have been burned to the ground? 0. They also don't save lives.
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14
In fact, the more we argue, it seems the more you get agitated, running out of "evidence"? Or just fed up because you are talking to us Animal Nazi's ruining your logic.
jessaraptor 1 year ago
@jessaraptor Actually in the wild, chickens are seed-dispersers and eat harmful insects.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 Oh boy! Comparing humans eating chickens to humans raping another human. That's wrong. There is no similarity in that at all. Typical silly vegetarian argument.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal The non vegetarian implictly draws the connection when they say that animals eating other animals is grounds for humans eating animals. The implied logic is that we should hold ourselves to the same morality that we hold animals to. The comparison with animals raping other animals shows the logic to be false. If you want to argue that animals are different than humans in a specific way, you can, but that's a different argument. I was responding to the aforementioned one.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 "The implied logic is that we should hold ourselves to the same morality that we hold animals to."
Isn't that why PETA was formed? I mean, they think that a *chicken* is equal to a human. Chickens don't feel what humans feel.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal "Equal" is oversimplifying it. No. Chickens deserve equal consideration insofar as their interests are concerned. Chickens have no interest in voting, so a chicken's right to vote would be meaningless. However, a chicken does have an interest in not having his or her beak seared off and living in a cage the size of a sheet of paper for their whole life.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 so if food companies lie on their cartons then it's ok for peta to lie too? that's kind of an issue if it claims to be a company that reveals the truth.
ispinintights 1 year ago
@ispinintights I don't understand what you're trying to say. :(
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 it's not a percentage thing, this isn't math. this is about recognition. but if you want to go that way, then what's stopping peta from spending their 2% of time left over to recognize organizations that do treat animals ethically? they absolutely should recognize exceptions. what they're doing doesn't support ethical organizations at all, other than peta itself. peta made this video purely for monetary gain, not for the protection of animals. a lie is a lie.
ispinintights 1 year ago
@ispinintights Actually PETA does recognize companies that are ahead of the game in terms of their performance, and when possible works with animal industries to make reforms. PETA gives a lot of awards for "progressive" companies.
If PETA did it for monetary gain, then how come they give out hundreds of thousands of pieces of free literature every year? Or why don't they join a for-profit industry like the money-hungry companies they oppose? The farmers here are the ones after money.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 it pisses me off when organizations like peta try to mislead the public to gain a little more endorsement cash. that's all.
ispinintights 1 year ago
@ispinintights But I don't believe they're misleading people. I believe that products that put nice pretty pictures of open pastures on their products are misleading the public an awful lot more, don't you?
You don't have to wholeheartedly agree with anybody, but I think PETA encourages people to question that which is shoved down our throats on a daily basis, and considering the deaths of billions of animals are involved, that's probably worth investigating on our own terms, right?
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 i'm not saying that it doesn't exist, my problem is that peta does not bother to make a distinction between these facilities and ethical ones. peta fails to mention that there ARE ethical farming institutions out there, and that it's easy to check the background of the eggs and meat and milk you're buying to make sure animals are treated humanely. peta never even hints at this, and gives viewers the impression that every single farm is like this.
ispinintights 1 year ago
@ispinintights I know that PETA does draw distinctions, but since 98% of animal products come from factory farms, attempting to spend 50% of their limited time to speak with the public through images and ads would be MORE dishonest than spending 100% of it talking about 98% of the food people eat every day. To be effective, a message cannot be a novel and cannot take into account all the exceptions to the rule. In 98% of cases based on the figures, PETA is right. I think that's good.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@Merlintothemax It does hurt the worker. Human Rights Watch released an extensive report on the terrible working conditions in slaughterhouses for workers given the constant pressure to process animals fast.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
Wow, I always knew what PETA was but never really researched. I always thought that they earned respect from everyone, but I guess not. Apparently they just want attention regardless the cost.
EpiclsME 1 year ago
@EpiclsME This video is full of lies. The author is stating his own speculation and nothing more.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@EpiclsME " Apparently they just want attention regardless the cost."
AMEN!! Truer words were never spoken on YouTube!
TimmyGal 1 year ago
i hate petas anti bee keeping events
paddytheduck 1 year ago
i like your video a lot. to me, this seems honest and everyone of you should always question everything. it's as simple as that.
breakdownification 1 year ago
Fuck Peta
ChineseinCanada 1 year ago
either way, the fact that animals are treated like crap PERIOD, i refuse to put up with it. i do not eat meat anymore. simple as that.
caylerasherly 1 year ago
Nearly all Vets and shelters put pets down rather than costly hoardering. Who is the real blame, breeders and people who dont adopt and spay or neuter. PETA spares many more by promoting, a veg saves 1000's from torture then death in factory farms in a lifetime.
I like the groups Vegan Outreach, MFA or just keep it about the animals. So I hope the critics adopt pets and are vegan then if they care about animals. Worry about your action, you dont have to agree with everything they do.
VeganMotorcyclePilot 1 year ago
@VeganMotorcyclePilot PETA puts down just as many animals if not more than ASPCA shelters. Check your facts
ILikeShinny 1 year ago
@ILikeShinny Nearly all Vets and shelters put pets down rather than costly hoardering. Who is the real blame, breeders and people who dont adopt and spay or neuter. PETA spares many more by promoting, a veg saves 1000's from torture then death in factory farms in a lifetime.
I like the groups Vegan Outreach, MFA or just keep it about the animals. So I hope the critics adopt pets and are vegan then if they care about animals. Worry about your action, u dont have to agree with all they do
VeganMotorcyclePilot 1 year ago
@VeganMotorcyclePilot What's sick about you is you use vegan in your name like a fucking status symbol.
Peta claim to love animals, recieve 300 million in funding a year, yet thousands of animals - most of which are capable of re-homing, are euthanised for convenience.
gogman25 1 year ago
@gogman25 dumb dumb its in my name to promote and yes its something to be proud of too! Lets talk animals, not just a group of people. Get your facts right, $300 million way off, but its donors $ not yours and they approve. A few vegetarians saves more lives and less suffering than all the dogs put down, which nearly all vets and shelters due too. They must deal with problems society creates by not adopting, breeders and pet stores. Back to factory farms and unncessary animal abuse
houstonhelpanimals 1 year ago
@houstonhelpanimals I'd rather save a dog's life than a cows. A beef steak looks better on the plate than a potential doggie friend looks wrapped up in a trash bag!!
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@gogman25 PETA's annual budget is about 10% of your quoted number, and most of the animals they receive are not capable of re-homing. PETA does not run a shelter; it is where people take animals when there is no other option. The problem is that people breed animals and allow them to breed, and then get rid of their animals. Each year 6-8 million dogs and cats become homeless, and nearly half must be euthanized because there are not enough homes.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 However, PETA are known to attempt to take animals FROM people when they're in perfect shape and simply pick up any pets they see, and from donations and profits from seperate businesses they do make roughly 300 million a year, it is also estimated 80% of the animals they recieve are capable are of re-homing.
Along with these facts, why on Earth do they Euthanise such an incredible amount in the first place, often other animal shelters have spare kennels and facilities to spare.
gogman25 1 year ago
@gogman25 Your "perfect shape" pet information can only be from the CCF, which is a corporate lobbying firm paid by the livestock, tobacco, alcohol, and restaurant companies, and is unsubstantiated. PETA's annual budget is about $34 million, which they are required by law to post on their website. As a 501(c)3 non profit that has been repeatedly audited by the IRS, they have no way of lying about it. They're an animal charity. :)
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 Thirty-four million would not be enough to run projects throughout multiple countries and manage to put up a fair few adverts on television in a year.
And if that is true - then why do they even bother to accept animals? Then why have they been known to pick up cats that aren't strays from streets and are in perfect shape?
gogman25 1 year ago
@gogman25 How do you know what would be enough? :) It's important to remember that most of PETA's notoriety comes from free advertising in the form of media coverage and free ad placements due to PETA's philanthropic cause.
In any case, PETA's international affiliates are separate entities, and are generally very small (15-20 people).
The bottom line is that PETA has to disclose all of their budget to the federal government by virtue of their non-profit status.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@gogman25 The reason PETA takes in animals is because sometimes, because so many people in this world think they can breed animals and then dump them at a shelter when they're tired of them, euthanasia is the best option.
PETA is a last resort. No-kill shelters are always full because they can't euthanise animals, and they end up cruelly warehousing them. The other option is painless death by euthanasia. If left on the street animals starve or are euthanized by animal control.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
PETA are full of shit, their followers are as deluded as Scientologists.
GuysSeriously 1 year ago
well you may be right.. and im not a fan for PETA either (anymore lol)
but they did do some GOOD things, and SOME of the things they say IS true.
they do help animals but some things they do or say is really extreme. ><
xoblackout 1 year ago
where did they film this ?
Neoguest 1 year ago
Ugh. PETA single-handedly pisses a LOT of people off.
1st. Animals were put on earth to be EATEN.
2nd. If the meat industries were shut down, the animals would have no further use and potentially become extinct
3rd. How often does "animal abuse" honestly happen.
BackstretchUnderdog 1 year ago
@BackstretchUnderdog lol animals were put on earth for you? what were you put on earth for then?
VeganMotorcyclePilot 1 year ago
@VeganMotorcyclePilot That's a question no one can answer.
BackstretchUnderdog 1 year ago
@VeganMotorcyclePilot to kick some ass and eat some fuckin animals
lashed 1 year ago
Thanks so much on the video!!
ronny4ever123 1 year ago
How is this PETA "Lies". This looks like real footage to me?
EMOTIONALLOGICABLE 1 year ago
@EMOTIONALLOGICABLE it would be a lie if they recorded only one farm that did things in an non-ethical manner and then claim that ALL farms are like this. kind of like how somebody could record asshole behavior being exhibited by one of your relatives while they were having a bad day, and then claiming that you and your whole family were complete assholes using that recording as "proof". So even though they recorded this behavior, it would still be a lie.
AuroraMoon 1 year ago
@AuroraMoon I disagree. If PETA could find one slaughterhouse like this then there are many else out there, either not being regulated by the FDA or are breaking FDA regulations and guidlines in order to put their cheap neatly wrapped products on the shelves at supermarkets. unless the FDA and board of health and other agencies get after these people, they seem to do whatever they want.
EMOTIONALLOGICABLE 1 year ago
@EMOTIONALLOGICABLE I do agree that we need to be more aware about what sort of farms we buy from so that we don't end up sponsoring their cruelty. However Peta is basically saying that ALL farms are like this, and that we should ban eating meat, and other animal products for this reason. now THAT is a lie. As the person who made the video points out, there are a dozen farms out there who does things ethically and humanely for each one that doesn't.
AuroraMoon 1 year ago
@AuroraMoon Yes they want people to go vegetarian, and ultimately they are proven right (atleast mostly right when it comes to health.) Now if the farms that PETA shot this footage are cruel to animals, while the majority of farms are humane then the owners of this farm should be brought up on cruelty charges and the farm shut down for an investigation.
EMOTIONALLOGICABLE 1 year ago
@EMOTIONALLOGICABLE I don't see how Peta claiming all farms are like this proves that being a vegetarian is ultimately the way to go. Humans are omnivores, meaning that we need both veggies and MEAT to live. I've heard of some vegetarians who died due to malnutrition. I buy my foods from organic or free-roaming farms, and the animals that I eat had never been treated inhumanely in their whole lives, far as I know. they lived an happy, comfortable life before it was time for them to become food.
AuroraMoon 1 year ago
@AuroraMoon Humans do not need meat or animal products to thrive, as is proven by the millions of vegans who have lived for decades in the United States, and are in fact much healthier than the general population. We have much lower rates of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and obesity.
There is nothing humans need from animal products that cannot also be found in a vegan diet. The American Dietetic Association and other nonpartisan groups all agree that anyone can be vegan. :)
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 That may be so.... but there's still the fact that a meat-eater can still live by a strong ethical code and treat animals humanely. with the right amount of research and resources, we meat-eaters can support family farms that treats animals humanely over those factory farms. Instead of condemning people who eat meat, you should just give them the chance to educate themselves about factory farms. Sometimes going veggie is way too expensive in certain areas, and some can't afford it.
AuroraMoon 1 year ago
@AuroraMoon Thanks for the reply, Aurora! We could potentially have local farms that treat animals better, but that kind of care would drive meat prices up very high and we would necessarily have to cut down our meat consumption heavily. Furthermore, if you disagree with factory farms, then you're ethically bound to only support farms that you agree with, which means that outside of eating meat from your local market, you need to be vegan. That'd be fine by me.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@AuroraMoon And while meat substitutes may be expensive, eating healthy as a vegan is not expensive. Beans, rice, lentils, and grains are all very cheap to buy in bulk, and they can be used as the base for countless tasty and healthy dishes. With the money saved buying these items in bulk, you can purchase fruits, vegetables, and nuts to add to recipes. Trust me, I make crap for money, but I eat healthy and vegan. :)
Fake meats are more of a transition food.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 But vegans are stupid! I'd rather live a shorter, smarter life than live to be 100 and dim-witted.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal This is proving my point. Non vegetarians are often rude to vegetarians.
KaseiHikari 1 year ago
@KaseiHikari Assuming you meant my comment about vegans being stupid. Sorry. But it's the truth. I've never met a vegetarian that was either civil or intelligent.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal I think you just proved Kasei's point again. I'd also love for you to show me a coherent argument for your position, since you've only made childish insults and logical fallacies so far. You can private message it to me since it's no doubt more complicated than can be fit into a youtube response.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 Thanks. :) BTW that wasn't Kasei commenting, it was me. She's my sister and uses the "stay signed in" thing. I often forget to check if I'm on her account. XD
Sarastuff999 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 Sorry, I only PM friends.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal Well I have a hard time being convinced by someone who won't take a position but refuse to provide the evidence for it. I'm sure you'll understand.
I suggest taking a look at the following books: "Eating Animals", "Speciesism", and "Animal Liberation" for an idea of where PETA and animal rights activists are coming from.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 That's OK. You haven't convinced me of anything either. ARAs are going to only tell people what they want them to hear. I can read all those books, they would have no impact on how I feel about eating meat because I know better.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal So, you haven't read any animal behavior studies, nor have you read any of the literature on animal rights, yet you do know that you "know better" than the arguments contained therein?
Do you not understand how I interpret what you say as willful ignorance and a logical contradiction?
I mean I can't make you stop eating meat, but don't have any delusions about the fact that your position has no evidence to support it.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago
@JTsmiley14 I know better than PETA. PETA will tell you and show you only what they want you to see. And they anthropomorphize animal behavior, which is not good. You are the one who is delusional if you believe everything PETA lays out.
TimmyGal 1 year ago
@TimmyGal Animal behaviorists, philosophers, and scientific consensus are essentially in agreement on this issue. I'm not trying to attack you, I'm merely trying to tell you that, if you are interested in the truth, you're currently misinformed. But I'm not sure you're interseted in the truth. And I can't convince you to be.
JTsmiley14 1 year ago