They were retrieving 2 rakes of wagons that had been stored down there, apparently they were sold. They had to do quite a bit to the branch just to get these trains out.
I don't think that it was as easy as just splitting the train
i dont get it is this the first time they been up this grade?? if not they cant calculate the locos they need or the max length of train to get up the grade????
Wow 90 ton loco with six axles, no wonder they slip so easily, US units are ballasted with steel or concrete to be heavy enough to put the power to the rail, What was this line used for?
@mbsmike1 Six axles slip less than four. Wheel slip is an issue in North America as it is in any railroad moving tonnage throughout the world. You can add weight to the locomotive using concrete or steel and that does reduce wheel slip. On the other hand it increases fuel consumption. And ultimately no matter how much your power weighs, if you have more weight than you can efficiently "get going" you will have wheel slip.
Note these guys are moving on weeks. Great for wheel slip.
@charlieb640 I have run four and six motor units wide open with a cup of coffee in my hand many many times for miles at low speed with no slip, modern units dont do this, weight does not affect fuel at all. The guys in this video are beating the hell out of the locos, I have been out sanding by hand in this situation to keep the wheels from burning up, these guys don't seem to give a shit, we would break the the train into sections if we had to. US units are 140 to 210 tons on 6 axles.
Yall should try using some of America's beastly locmo power for this load. They run an average of 4000-4400 horsepower. No offense. Yall have some great locos too. They just didnt place enough locos on this train lol.
I'd already used all the battery on the video camera, by now I'm running this video using the spare spare so to speak. It was a little Canon compact so even keeping it steady was a task. By this time I was overdue for a beer after a long day but saw this stuff happenening in the distance.
if they had 3 locos they might have had a chance. But those engines look, and sound like they need to retire. spinning wheels like that is not good at all.. LOL
3 loco's mayb, but they would have to use the same type of loco as these 2, this brand line could only take 90 tonne loco's...plus the 1720 are never old...they are the most well used loco in QLD...also the train was pretty long..every wagon on this branch line had to be removed...due to the closure..lol
Did someone lay oil on he tracks just before the train going to depart or did there leak some oil out of a location of a bougie by one of these locomotieves?
Wheel treads are "cupped" from this sort of abuse. You can see the outside edge of the tread below the railhead. Are they sanding? It's hard to tell. You can also hear what sounds like a worn rod bearing when the compressors kick in.
the 1720 class locos are certainly outdated.......a great little loco for use whilst yard shunting as the quick release AH7 independant braking system and the quick start option provides for easier start/stop actions.......however these locos are not up to standard to haul heavy loads and are quite often multied to a 2400 or 2100 class loco to haul heavy loads more often than not the multi units will fail on the little liverpool range and require a banker engine to traverse the range.
In the video, if the train was truly there for an HOUR trying to lift his tonnage from the grass-covered branch line, WHy did the crew NOT give up after ten minutes or so and walk back and pull the pin on helf the train, let say, then 'Double' to the next siding??
It may well have been faster, and would have saved all sorts of wear and tear on the track, wheels and electrical gear.
Truck-mounted sand boxes are pathetic!
Certain grasses are just like grease when under railway wheels.
I'm guessing those engines don't have any form of wheel slip control. Noticed on the second engine, the lead axle would run away, while the other two in the truck gave up.
Would almost seem like it's not balanced well. all wheels should be turning the same speed, if not immediately, shortly after the system picks it up. just my 2 cents worth.
I read a while back that because of the torque of the wheels trying to turn the front of the bogie is lifted slightly up and that's why the leading wheels often slip more. Some newer bogies are designed to counteract that, not sure what they are called now though.
Thanks blue thats bonza of ya. I thought so. "US" (continental) style locos but with buffers instead of US couplers. I had a "whats-wrong-with-this-picture" moment when I originally thought it was a US clip.
2nd and final train I've heard will be leaving today or tomorrow. Be interesting to see if the grass has been removed. It wasn't hard to predict what happened in the video
What on earth were they retrieving from that disused branch line anyway?
You would have thought that they would have split the train if they didn't have enough power to move the whole train.
NJPurling 4 months ago
They were retrieving 2 rakes of wagons that had been stored down there, apparently they were sold. They had to do quite a bit to the branch just to get these trains out.
I don't think that it was as easy as just splitting the train
wheel5800 4 months ago
Are they GE ?
The301trainman 8 months ago
@The301trainman - GM at the timeI think
wheel5800 4 months ago
SAND!!!
vikingoperator 8 months ago
this is no way to run a railroad and i think those locomotives need a good cleaning and paint job!
robertrobin10 10 months ago
i dont get it is this the first time they been up this grade?? if not they cant calculate the locos they need or the max length of train to get up the grade????
hifijohn 10 months ago
How is long and dry grass a problem?
mpwelk 1 year ago
a lovely ol 1700 class
VK4LA 1 year ago
i have not seen them old blue QR trains in about 10 years
HUDDYSHOW 1 year ago
get out and push you lazy bastard.
24nov67 1 year ago
#FTW
pimpinhector 1 year ago
Sanding #FTW??
pimpinhector 1 year ago
Sand #ftw
pimpinhector 1 year ago
maybe the brake is on?
PhantomDark21 1 year ago
well, it's stuck. time to get out and push. lol
salemcripple 1 year ago
Wow 90 ton loco with six axles, no wonder they slip so easily, US units are ballasted with steel or concrete to be heavy enough to put the power to the rail, What was this line used for?
mbsmike1 1 year ago
@mbsmike1 Six axles slip less than four. Wheel slip is an issue in North America as it is in any railroad moving tonnage throughout the world. You can add weight to the locomotive using concrete or steel and that does reduce wheel slip. On the other hand it increases fuel consumption. And ultimately no matter how much your power weighs, if you have more weight than you can efficiently "get going" you will have wheel slip.
Note these guys are moving on weeks. Great for wheel slip.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 I have run four and six motor units wide open with a cup of coffee in my hand many many times for miles at low speed with no slip, modern units dont do this, weight does not affect fuel at all. The guys in this video are beating the hell out of the locos, I have been out sanding by hand in this situation to keep the wheels from burning up, these guys don't seem to give a shit, we would break the the train into sections if we had to. US units are 140 to 210 tons on 6 axles.
wilbertha1234 1 year ago
@wilbertha1234 Weight does impact fuel consumption. The more the unit weighs the more fuel it takes to move it.
But...I'm going to basically agree with you. By all intent, that tiny bit of extra fuel consumption just isn't a consideration.
Sanding by hand. LOL. Yep...done that before.
You do what you gotta do. Nice post.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@wilbertha1234 - A lot of Queensland branch lines are 60-tonne standard, hence the two 1720s used here.
JBofBrisbane 1 year ago
All that slow-speed work will have heated up the traction motors to say nothing of the tyres!...
cefnonn 2 years ago
man, they need to maintain their rails a little better. how far apart are those rails, looks like 3 foot narrow guage
rockguitarist946 2 years ago
what is wrong wit it how doez a wheelslip come about ?n what are they doing,i love trians but idk what this is
babiiblueboi 2 years ago
Yall should try using some of America's beastly locmo power for this load. They run an average of 4000-4400 horsepower. No offense. Yall have some great locos too. They just didnt place enough locos on this train lol.
nsrailfann4life91 2 years ago
try sand on the rail ty
bettyd3345 2 years ago
Interesting video. Thanks.
Get closer.
Were they sweeping the grass off the rails?
robertgift 2 years ago
wow hold the fricking camera still im dizzy now! get a tripod or something holy cow!
Automcanic 2 years ago
I'd already used all the battery on the video camera, by now I'm running this video using the spare spare so to speak. It was a little Canon compact so even keeping it steady was a task. By this time I was overdue for a beer after a long day but saw this stuff happenening in the distance.
wheel5800 2 years ago 3
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good video! thanks!
deamze08 2 years ago
it needs a V8 engine =D
yorchreloaded 2 years ago
the load is very heavy for tht engine
xxxyboy3000 2 years ago
I would have doubled the hill
felixbaxter 2 years ago
a ride on lawn mower is the answer it will cut the grass and at the same time pull the train up the hill LOL!
trains72345 2 years ago
if they had 3 locos they might have had a chance. But those engines look, and sound like they need to retire. spinning wheels like that is not good at all.. LOL
extremeweather09 2 years ago
3 loco's mayb, but they would have to use the same type of loco as these 2, this brand line could only take 90 tonne loco's...plus the 1720 are never old...they are the most well used loco in QLD...also the train was pretty long..every wagon on this branch line had to be removed...due to the closure..lol
PacificNational89 2 years ago
The tractive effort on these engines is awful. lol
NJW1973 2 years ago
Lets all get out and help push??
TommyZTrains 2 years ago 6
Nothing stops a train like grass.
Looks like its time to double the hill.
papabugs71 2 years ago
Get new locos!
trainzandbridgez101 2 years ago
Why not remove the grass from in FRONT of the train, and also lay sand in FRONT of the locomotives rather than right at the wheels?
Did they sand BOTH rails?
Standard gauge?
Interesting video.
Thank you.
robertgift 2 years ago
Narrow gauge, 3 feet 6 inches.
teddybeareleventeen 2 years ago
ahh rusty rails can be extremely slippery. add a bit of moisture here and they could just as well have given up.
And they have probably emtied the sand boxes too.
randknu 2 years ago
Did someone lay oil on he tracks just before the train going to depart or did there leak some oil out of a location of a bougie by one of these locomotieves?
trein45 3 years ago
Well, thats polished the rails!
abbymick 3 years ago 3
Sounds like the sound effects from the Classic SciFi film: FOrbidden Planet!
lasalleman 3 years ago
why do these locomotives go slow?
Ben31337l 3 years ago
lol.
1lilshyboy18 3 years ago
Wheel treads are "cupped" from this sort of abuse. You can see the outside edge of the tread below the railhead. Are they sanding? It's hard to tell. You can also hear what sounds like a worn rod bearing when the compressors kick in.
TYMMCHN 3 years ago
Great video, thanks. The people there copuld have given the locos a hand and all pushed :)
ZetanCrisp 3 years ago 3
the 1720 class locos are certainly outdated.......a great little loco for use whilst yard shunting as the quick release AH7 independant braking system and the quick start option provides for easier start/stop actions.......however these locos are not up to standard to haul heavy loads and are quite often multied to a 2400 or 2100 class loco to haul heavy loads more often than not the multi units will fail on the little liverpool range and require a banker engine to traverse the range.
anthonydarl 3 years ago
In the video, if the train was truly there for an HOUR trying to lift his tonnage from the grass-covered branch line, WHy did the crew NOT give up after ten minutes or so and walk back and pull the pin on helf the train, let say, then 'Double' to the next siding??
It may well have been faster, and would have saved all sorts of wear and tear on the track, wheels and electrical gear.
Truck-mounted sand boxes are pathetic!
Certain grasses are just like grease when under railway wheels.
Spillimacheen 3 years ago
the 1720s are fairly dated, having been around for many years. That said, they are still in use at Willowburn (Toowoomba)
RedtailFox1 3 years ago
well well...
BTW, i have a question. Why dont North american locomotives have buffers? Is it because the automatic coupler or what?
WhyAyeMann 3 years ago
Buffers in europe, draft gear in North America. The draft gear has shock absorbtion in it like the bumber, but is concealed inside the fame.
TYMMCHN 3 years ago
I'm guessing those engines don't have any form of wheel slip control. Noticed on the second engine, the lead axle would run away, while the other two in the truck gave up.
Would almost seem like it's not balanced well. all wheels should be turning the same speed, if not immediately, shortly after the system picks it up. just my 2 cents worth.
kleetus92 3 years ago
I read a while back that because of the torque of the wheels trying to turn the front of the bogie is lifted slightly up and that's why the leading wheels often slip more. Some newer bogies are designed to counteract that, not sure what they are called now though.
ZetanCrisp 3 years ago
Who built these locomotives? It sounds a LOT like an EMD 645 but it looks like no Electromotive I've seen? What is the traction motor arrangement?
vth5 3 years ago
Australia or New Zealand???
madmax200769 3 years ago
The state of Queensland in Australia. The gauge is 1067mm
wheel5800 3 years ago
Thanks blue thats bonza of ya. I thought so. "US" (continental) style locos but with buffers instead of US couplers. I had a "whats-wrong-with-this-picture" moment when I originally thought it was a US clip.
madmax200769 3 years ago
Is that grinding sound the engines or the sand being crushed under the spinning wheels?
JS106351 3 years ago
If they had a 90 tonner in the area they could have used that for some extra motive power as the first KM of the branch is rated for 90 tonne locos.
QRhuggies 3 years ago
2nd and final train I've heard will be leaving today or tomorrow. Be interesting to see if the grass has been removed. It wasn't hard to predict what happened in the video
wheel5800 3 years ago
ai ai ai
ON3MR 3 years ago
I hope someone submitted a line maintenance request after this lol!
produKtNZ 3 years ago