If you argue: "abortion should be illegal, because some women may regret having had an abortion," you must also consider the possibility that: "some women may regret not having had an abortion."
something has to limit humanity , there has to be a balance in the world lol.. abortions are cruel but id rather die than be in a orphanage where you can get molested beat and work as a slave. Suffering goes both ways here and dozen of children are born to hookers and crack whores who literally sell there children. Society loves to forget
@Somnilocus well that is what i mean by the state. Letting the people vote like how the californian people decided they wanted to smoke weed. I think we should abolish all federal law and let the people decide everything instead of a bunch of paid off criminals
Abortion is something that should only be allowed to certain people and before a certain time i think it is wrong if someone who voluntarily engaged in sexual actions without protection but i do believe rape victims should be allowed to get one before a certain amount of time before a baby should even form when it is just an embryo of 1 month
The country's sensibilities have changed. You know what's great abourt liberal and their living constitution, they only want it to go their way. Historically, gov't can regulate what people do with their bodies all the time. This right to choose argument is pure crap.If I have the right to choose, then why is cocaine illegal. It's my body. How about prostitution or incest? Apparently gov't can regulate/prohibition these activities.
This decision was allowed to stand? A person's right to make informed consent in their own care has been abridged because they "might regret it". And the supporting evidence that a woman might regret a decision to abort is based on a man looking deep inside himself? Should a woman look deep inside herself to see if I have the right to a vasectomy?
You cannot prove or disprove what a person might think after the fact.
Is that a Supreme Court or a Kangaroo Court you poor people have?
The title of this video is misleading. She's referring to Kennedy as having the "I don't need no stinkin' evidence" mindset, not herself. In fact, her assesment is spot-on. She'd be a fantastic voice to add to an otherwise reactionary, out-of-touch court.
A "mouthier" progressive like Karlin would've been fantastic as you say, but it would've also offered a much-needed (& still outgunned) foil to the hard rightism of Sca-lito, Thomas, & the oppressively-young Chief Justice Roberts.
Kennedy too--that shameful Bush v Gore okey-doker.
Also, non-crazies might've gotten a counter-voice to the icky public prognosticating Scalia &Thomas have gone in for.
So what if she has regrets later most people will have regrets over something they have done in life that doesn't mean we enact arbitrary laws to protect people from them we help them understand what they regret and grow from it.
While I am aginst abortion on demand I understand there will be times that a pregnacy should and needs to be terminated but I find the use of abortion as birth control morally odious.
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Yeah, Pam, that euphemistic language is really aggravating, isn't it? Referring to a pregnant woman as a "mother"...referring to the doctor who performs an abortion as an "abortionist."
Typical "anti-choice" rhetoric from people who are "anti-choice"...
That's because podiatry is a branch of medicine, just as cardiology is practiced by cardiologists, neurology by neurologists, etc. "Abortion" is a procedure, and the point ak2479 was making is that we don't, as a convention, slap -ist on the end of the name of a procedure when referring to the practitioner of that procedure. If there was such a thing as abortionology -- which, of course, there isn't -- the term "abortionist" would make some sense. Instead, it merely is inflammatory.
We call a guy who teaches a "teacher," a guy who cooks a "cook," a guy who works on feet a "podiatrist" (check the etymology), so why is it "inflammatory" to call a guy who performs abortions an abortionist?
It's accurate and clarifying, especially when the procedure in question is the locus of debate...
I am pro-legalized abortion--not pro-abortion--and I have the courage to say that, not resort to euphemism. (Who have you ever met who's "anti-choice"?)
Oh, don't be disingenuous. It's inflammatory because of the way it used in American society. The anti-abortion folks use this term, and usually with venom in their voices. Those who favor the right of women to control their own bodies do not use this term.
> why is it "inflammatory" to call a guy who performs abortions
> an abortionist?
Every physician I've ever met who performed abortions was a gynecologist. They do much more than perform abortions. Being so simplistic about this, though, I suppose you prefer to call veterans who have killed enemy combatants killers. In your world, after all, one who kills is a killer.
I invite you to try that on some Iraq vets. I'm sure it won't be at all inflammatory.
But do all gynecologists perform abortions? That's the key point...
"Being so simplistic about this, though, I suppose you prefer to call veterans who have killed enemy combatants killers. In your world, after all, one who kills is a killer."
Simplistic? Are you serious? Ay yi yi...
It's called being "precise."
"I invite you to try that on some Iraq vets..."
OK...but in the spirit of precision, I'll append the modifier "enemy" to "killers."
" Life " is just another commodity. The more abundant it gets, the cheaper is gets. Wait untill we are 10 billion people on this earth,. Then women will be forced to have abortions.
101.. Fetis, Fetus no-feet but growing is an Unborn child... sorry no other way to put it, a seed is a plant that hasnt grown yet, an egg yoke is to me a lil chicken that got killed if in my fridge or an unborn chicken, and so a fetis is an unborn baby... clearly this regretful woman isnt thinking about what she's saying.. she had to have regreted saying that... :O
Yeah, an egg yoke usually ISN'T a "lil chicken that got killed if in my fridge or an unborn chicken." Most are infertile, Nimrod. They'd never become a chicken. A little chink in your nigh-invulnerable argument against abortion, eh?
And what about baby-killer-condoms? They prevent the seed of man from growing into a baby. We should also lock pregnant women up until they come to term. Just in case. And if someone does get an abortion? Let's execute them for irony's sake alone. Sound good, sport?
there you again with wars. You say that in the hope that your pro-abortion view prevails. Abortion is murder! Inside the mother's womb is a life, not a blob of tissue!
If you think my pro-life rhertotic is emotional, so is your rhertotic that a woman has a right to choose!
The statement that most women regret having abortions is false and I believe that she knows it is.
If you really want to save people who regret something in their lives you should focus on military vets. War ruins the lives of millions of men, many of whom never recover and live out their lives addicted to something and homeless.
I'm sure the baby would regret dying. I know quite a few people who have gone through that and very muchly regret it.
In fact, I don't know any who don't.
It's a sad thing.
You're right about war though. It does effect a lot more people than abortion and petty issues like that, but stopping war (impossible) won't fix the smaller problems at all.
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eVERY WOMAN I know who has had an abortion regrets it, they are tormented by it, the men involved too are tormented by it. Every single one hat I have met and discussed openly with.
Bullshit! I have known plenty of women who have had abortions and never stopped knowing it was the right thing to do. Many waited and had children later on when they were better prepared to be mothers. Now how many people do you know that had children and regretted it - plenty. Don't lie. It's foolish, cold blooded and downright misogynistic (you're probably one of those jerks who believes rapists should be able to choose the mother of their children) to try and force women into motherhood.
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If she isn't prepared to have children she shouldn't be having sex, its what the act is designed for. If they are not prepared then give the child up for adoption, y kill him or her? It comes down to a selfish woman who doesn't want to go through the pregnancy she brought on her self . Rape and incest account for less than 1 percent of abortions so I don't want to here it. Its murder .
its not a him or a her tell its a human being....you cant say "hey don't kill that male replicating cell"
so tell me apple are miscarriages "gods" abortions...let me get this right, God can kill all the babies he wants(after its born sometimes) but when a women decides to get rid of a unwanted group of cells,she is just selfish right...fuck u and fuck ur god i hope he does come back ill be the first with the fucking nails
lol i know at least 3 women who are personal friends that have had abortions and don't regret it in the least.
Maybe if a mother had to have her fetus aborted because of health reasons or something like that it might be different. But as far as all women regret it... you're simply wrong.
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My girlfriend does not regret it, and we've had lots of em. lololol Two a day if we can. Some times we wait tell their heads are out then we lop em off. we let our dog get knocked up all the time too just so we can kill the all dog babies, preferably before they are out of the bitch's womb
My father - a Psychiatrist - said to me when I was in college that he had later counseled far more women who had given their child up for adoption than he had ever counseled women who had had abortions - so much so that it was his opinion that giving a child up for adoption was far more detrimental to a woman's future state of mental health than having an abortion.
well that is just not true harbrian9 jesus told me your wrong.........and how do we know ur dads a "good" psychiatrist? ya know like we need "good" science before we waste any money on global warming...we also need "good" shrinks who speak the truth...every woman who has a abortion kills her self weeks if not days later it says so in the bible
if you are going for humor their with the comment about women killing themselves after having an abortion, brian 4480, then try again. Or rather, don't, and realize that nobody really gives a rat's penis what you and your kind need to know about my father. He was more than well respected in his work community, creating an entire mental health system for a southwestern state, and chartering his own behavioral medicine center in Southern California before his death.
wow retard read my other posts. BTW what is my kind? cuz your dad and me have the same views. But unlike your dad i dont thing ur very smart. Its imposable for me to be any more sarcastic then when i was writing that post.... written to u but directed at stupid jesus freaks who really think crazy thoughts like that. You need to lighten up before you join the ranks of the "uptight closet gays" or as you may know them,...born again jesus nuts
Waste my time by being confused by your other verbal spewage? After being called a retard because you can't communicate? Yeah, that's going to happen... Maybe when you learn the delicate rhetorical balance that is sarcasm and irony. The 'born-agains" are bored again with your posts. At least with my actions I got on the 700 club and had ol' Pat Robertson himself calling me satanic. Beat that little one.
you mean every woman who attends you born again wacko church regrets it.....so do all the men who have been "de-gayed" they regret sucking dick too.........geez dude get a fucking clue
@billythegoatchu exactly
MrSeansean1331 7 months ago
All sides on the Abortion debate play the Semantics game;not pro-abortion,pro-choice.......
mrbriscoe2001 8 months ago
If you argue: "abortion should be illegal, because some women may regret having had an abortion," you must also consider the possibility that: "some women may regret not having had an abortion."
trukkstop1 11 months ago
something has to limit humanity , there has to be a balance in the world lol.. abortions are cruel but id rather die than be in a orphanage where you can get molested beat and work as a slave. Suffering goes both ways here and dozen of children are born to hookers and crack whores who literally sell there children. Society loves to forget
Jukoe08 1 year ago
She is so off
anikinippon 1 year ago
Get the feds the heck out of abortion and let the individual states decide (the people vote)
busbee85 1 year ago
@busbee85 Fuck letting the individual states decide. Let EACH INDIVIDUAL decide. Look at the shit happening in Texas right now...
Somnilocus 1 year ago
@Somnilocus well that is what i mean by the state. Letting the people vote like how the californian people decided they wanted to smoke weed. I think we should abolish all federal law and let the people decide everything instead of a bunch of paid off criminals
busbee85 1 year ago
Abortion is something that should only be allowed to certain people and before a certain time i think it is wrong if someone who voluntarily engaged in sexual actions without protection but i do believe rape victims should be allowed to get one before a certain amount of time before a baby should even form when it is just an embryo of 1 month
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halcyon0830 1 year ago
Fetuses should be grinded up and used as fertilizer.
Shadowlit001 1 year ago
Justice Pamela Karlan will Hopefully be America's Next Supreme Court Judge.
halcyon0830 1 year ago 5
The country's sensibilities have changed. You know what's great abourt liberal and their living constitution, they only want it to go their way. Historically, gov't can regulate what people do with their bodies all the time. This right to choose argument is pure crap.If I have the right to choose, then why is cocaine illegal. It's my body. How about prostitution or incest? Apparently gov't can regulate/prohibition these activities.
socalcraigster 2 years ago
she doesn't need no evidence, therefore she is god! omg!
TribalPVP 2 years ago
@TribalPVP Did you even watch the video? She didn't say it. Jesus Christ...
Somnilocus 1 year ago
This decision was allowed to stand? A person's right to make informed consent in their own care has been abridged because they "might regret it". And the supporting evidence that a woman might regret a decision to abort is based on a man looking deep inside himself? Should a woman look deep inside herself to see if I have the right to a vasectomy?
You cannot prove or disprove what a person might think after the fact.
Is that a Supreme Court or a Kangaroo Court you poor people have?
Mainerjohnthomas 2 years ago 8
@Mainerjohnthomas The rights of her offspring to have their brains remain in their skulls is irrelevant to you?
Nulono 1 year ago
The title of this video is misleading. She's referring to Kennedy as having the "I don't need no stinkin' evidence" mindset, not herself. In fact, her assesment is spot-on. She'd be a fantastic voice to add to an otherwise reactionary, out-of-touch court.
basseybuffo 2 years ago 26
Just read on the google, its Sotomayor. Too bad.
A "mouthier" progressive like Karlin would've been fantastic as you say, but it would've also offered a much-needed (& still outgunned) foil to the hard rightism of Sca-lito, Thomas, & the oppressively-young Chief Justice Roberts.
Kennedy too--that shameful Bush v Gore okey-doker.
Also, non-crazies might've gotten a counter-voice to the icky public prognosticating Scalia &Thomas have gone in for.
Still, it ain't McCain/Palin's pick.
terpis 2 years ago
Put her on the court.
She sees through their bullshit and busts them on it.
DAGUY 2 years ago 3
mark my words, she is going to be the pick
gallowspole 2 years ago
Got any stock tips...?
cantilever 2 years ago
just wait until sotomayor's side career as a hooker turns up
gallowspole 2 years ago
So what if she has regrets later most people will have regrets over something they have done in life that doesn't mean we enact arbitrary laws to protect people from them we help them understand what they regret and grow from it.
While I am aginst abortion on demand I understand there will be times that a pregnacy should and needs to be terminated but I find the use of abortion as birth control morally odious.
lvrplfc4l 2 years ago
Her I like.
bobjones864 2 years ago
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Yeah, Pam, that euphemistic language is really aggravating, isn't it? Referring to a pregnant woman as a "mother"...referring to the doctor who performs an abortion as an "abortionist."
Typical "anti-choice" rhetoric from people who are "anti-choice"...
cantilever 2 years ago
Yeah the next time you have an operation, don't forget to thank your operationist.
ak2479 2 years ago
I'm scheduled to have an operation on my foot next week...and afterwards, I WILL thank my "podiatrist."
:)
cantilever 2 years ago
That's because podiatry is a branch of medicine, just as cardiology is practiced by cardiologists, neurology by neurologists, etc. "Abortion" is a procedure, and the point ak2479 was making is that we don't, as a convention, slap -ist on the end of the name of a procedure when referring to the practitioner of that procedure. If there was such a thing as abortionology -- which, of course, there isn't -- the term "abortionist" would make some sense. Instead, it merely is inflammatory.
rckent01 2 years ago
He had a cavil, not a point.
We call a guy who teaches a "teacher," a guy who cooks a "cook," a guy who works on feet a "podiatrist" (check the etymology), so why is it "inflammatory" to call a guy who performs abortions an abortionist?
It's accurate and clarifying, especially when the procedure in question is the locus of debate...
I am pro-legalized abortion--not pro-abortion--and I have the courage to say that, not resort to euphemism. (Who have you ever met who's "anti-choice"?)
cantilever 2 years ago
Oh, don't be disingenuous. It's inflammatory because of the way it used in American society. The anti-abortion folks use this term, and usually with venom in their voices. Those who favor the right of women to control their own bodies do not use this term.
TheronC2 2 years ago
A certain segment may regard it as "inflammatory"...but another segment (in which I would include myself) regards it as "apposite"...
(I'm not using it with "venom," BTW...)
"Those who favor the right of women to control their own bodies do not use this term."
I detect NO bias in this statement...
cantilever 2 years ago
> why is it "inflammatory" to call a guy who performs abortions
> an abortionist?
Every physician I've ever met who performed abortions was a gynecologist. They do much more than perform abortions. Being so simplistic about this, though, I suppose you prefer to call veterans who have killed enemy combatants killers. In your world, after all, one who kills is a killer.
I invite you to try that on some Iraq vets. I'm sure it won't be at all inflammatory.
DickyHertz 2 years ago 22
But do all gynecologists perform abortions? That's the key point...
"Being so simplistic about this, though, I suppose you prefer to call veterans who have killed enemy combatants killers. In your world, after all, one who kills is a killer."
Simplistic? Are you serious? Ay yi yi...
It's called being "precise."
"I invite you to try that on some Iraq vets..."
OK...but in the spirit of precision, I'll append the modifier "enemy" to "killers."
I reckon I'll get some free beer! :)
cantilever 2 years ago
@DickyHertz -- I invite you to try that on Osama bin Laden (that is, calling him a killer). I'm sure it won't be at all inflammatory.
4teepee 1 year ago
@4teepee Get back to me when your reading comprehension is above the 4th grade level.
DickyHertz 1 year ago
Dick, get back to me if you're ever coherent.
4teepee 1 year ago
@DickyHertz Iraq vets. ARE killers. They rape and murder innocent civilians. I know this is off-topic but I wanted to mention it anyways.
blackopsMrWsad 1 year ago
@blackopsMrWsad
Who did they rape? They're not the Vikings dude, US soldiers aren't raping the Iraqis, dont be hyperbolic
bosshog7169 7 months ago
Pam Karlan for Supreme Court Justice!!!
Stanford228 2 years ago 4
" Life " is just another commodity. The more abundant it gets, the cheaper is gets. Wait untill we are 10 billion people on this earth,. Then women will be forced to have abortions.
Philos2006 3 years ago 2
LOL i typ in my last name(Karlan) and this came up.....
Squisheeman513 3 years ago
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kingrayen 3 years ago
101.. Fetis, Fetus no-feet but growing is an Unborn child... sorry no other way to put it, a seed is a plant that hasnt grown yet, an egg yoke is to me a lil chicken that got killed if in my fridge or an unborn chicken, and so a fetis is an unborn baby... clearly this regretful woman isnt thinking about what she's saying.. she had to have regreted saying that... :O
Johnrosssssss 3 years ago
Yeah, an egg yoke usually ISN'T a "lil chicken that got killed if in my fridge or an unborn chicken." Most are infertile, Nimrod. They'd never become a chicken. A little chink in your nigh-invulnerable argument against abortion, eh?
And what about baby-killer-condoms? They prevent the seed of man from growing into a baby. We should also lock pregnant women up until they come to term. Just in case. And if someone does get an abortion? Let's execute them for irony's sake alone. Sound good, sport?
desspec 3 years ago
What decision is she talking about? At first I thought it was Stenberg v. Carhart, but that was before O'Connor's retirement.
uberllama42 3 years ago
Erm... the fetis IS an unborn baby pl0x?
-i r teh 1337-
YourPainMyJoy 3 years ago
what does this have to do with the constitution?
Wiggy1138 4 years ago
there you again with wars. You say that in the hope that your pro-abortion view prevails. Abortion is murder! Inside the mother's womb is a life, not a blob of tissue!
If you think my pro-life rhertotic is emotional, so is your rhertotic that a woman has a right to choose!
puertoricantruepoet2 4 years ago
ok... I'd like to know, if it's not a baby, why get an abortion?
But what about... No. If it's not a baby, why have an abortion?
If it's NOT a baby, then you are not pregnant.
yamagoof 4 years ago
everyone is now dumber for reading that......get off the meth
brian4480 2 years ago
The statement that most women regret having abortions is false and I believe that she knows it is.
If you really want to save people who regret something in their lives you should focus on military vets. War ruins the lives of millions of men, many of whom never recover and live out their lives addicted to something and homeless.
Oppose war. Fix the real problem.
10ago 4 years ago
I think there are many real problems.
I'm sure the baby would regret dying. I know quite a few people who have gone through that and very muchly regret it.
In fact, I don't know any who don't.
It's a sad thing.
You're right about war though. It does effect a lot more people than abortion and petty issues like that, but stopping war (impossible) won't fix the smaller problems at all.
tripthelightfilm 3 years ago
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eVERY WOMAN I know who has had an abortion regrets it, they are tormented by it, the men involved too are tormented by it. Every single one hat I have met and discussed openly with.
1120apple 3 years ago
Bullshit! I have known plenty of women who have had abortions and never stopped knowing it was the right thing to do. Many waited and had children later on when they were better prepared to be mothers. Now how many people do you know that had children and regretted it - plenty. Don't lie. It's foolish, cold blooded and downright misogynistic (you're probably one of those jerks who believes rapists should be able to choose the mother of their children) to try and force women into motherhood.
JeremysVideos2 3 years ago
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If she isn't prepared to have children she shouldn't be having sex, its what the act is designed for. If they are not prepared then give the child up for adoption, y kill him or her? It comes down to a selfish woman who doesn't want to go through the pregnancy she brought on her self . Rape and incest account for less than 1 percent of abortions so I don't want to here it. Its murder .
1120apple 3 years ago
its not a him or a her tell its a human being....you cant say "hey don't kill that male replicating cell"
so tell me apple are miscarriages "gods" abortions...let me get this right, God can kill all the babies he wants(after its born sometimes) but when a women decides to get rid of a unwanted group of cells,she is just selfish right...fuck u and fuck ur god i hope he does come back ill be the first with the fucking nails
brian4480 3 years ago
lol i know at least 3 women who are personal friends that have had abortions and don't regret it in the least.
Maybe if a mother had to have her fetus aborted because of health reasons or something like that it might be different. But as far as all women regret it... you're simply wrong.
arcious 3 years ago
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My girlfriend does not regret it, and we've had lots of em. lololol Two a day if we can. Some times we wait tell their heads are out then we lop em off. we let our dog get knocked up all the time too just so we can kill the all dog babies, preferably before they are out of the bitch's womb
brian4480 3 years ago
My father - a Psychiatrist - said to me when I was in college that he had later counseled far more women who had given their child up for adoption than he had ever counseled women who had had abortions - so much so that it was his opinion that giving a child up for adoption was far more detrimental to a woman's future state of mental health than having an abortion.
harbrian9 2 years ago 2
well that is just not true harbrian9 jesus told me your wrong.........and how do we know ur dads a "good" psychiatrist? ya know like we need "good" science before we waste any money on global warming...we also need "good" shrinks who speak the truth...every woman who has a abortion kills her self weeks if not days later it says so in the bible
brian4480 2 years ago
if you are going for humor their with the comment about women killing themselves after having an abortion, brian 4480, then try again. Or rather, don't, and realize that nobody really gives a rat's penis what you and your kind need to know about my father. He was more than well respected in his work community, creating an entire mental health system for a southwestern state, and chartering his own behavioral medicine center in Southern California before his death.
harbrian9 2 years ago 2
wow retard read my other posts. BTW what is my kind? cuz your dad and me have the same views. But unlike your dad i dont thing ur very smart. Its imposable for me to be any more sarcastic then when i was writing that post.... written to u but directed at stupid jesus freaks who really think crazy thoughts like that. You need to lighten up before you join the ranks of the "uptight closet gays" or as you may know them,...born again jesus nuts
brian4480 2 years ago
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harbrian9 2 years ago
Waste my time by being confused by your other verbal spewage? After being called a retard because you can't communicate? Yeah, that's going to happen... Maybe when you learn the delicate rhetorical balance that is sarcasm and irony. The 'born-agains" are bored again with your posts. At least with my actions I got on the 700 club and had ol' Pat Robertson himself calling me satanic. Beat that little one.
harbrian9 2 years ago
LOL nice.
jackOpeet 2 years ago
you mean every woman who attends you born again wacko church regrets it.....so do all the men who have been "de-gayed" they regret sucking dick too.........geez dude get a fucking clue
brian4480 2 years ago