Da ste zdravi i zivi HEROJI NASI MAKEDONSKI so vas istorijata se pisuva a vie ste tie koja ja pistuvate istrajte vo svojata borba taka i zivotot ke ima smisla . Nasite junaci od istorijata velea podobro da zivees so Hrabrost nego da si bogat i plaslivec. Napred nie sme so vas i svetot go odobruva popoleka momentot na vistinata Nadoadja. Macedonia for Macedonians.
You are a Tito'a Fart only and your culture is slavobulgarian, You 'll never become macedonian. Where have you been the last 2000 years were you sleeping and suddenly woke up ? You are only dirty lyers and criminals of war.
During September 1997 a Greek national with "Bulgarian identity" from Edessa named N STOIDIS appeared in Sofia at the National Historical Museum and declared to the Director Bozidar Dimitrov that he has in his possession a stone inscription found in Edessa during the reconstruction of a church. The Director declared the inscription a fake made by Bulgarian nationalists in the 19th Century.
@proteusx I have no interest in your fantasies - but every person is a master of the madness in his head. Let me see how greek you will be once the european money stops and you work until 75 to earn your miserable pension.
In 21 century for the first time minority in Greece open office to protects their basic human right to declare their self like they fill, Macedonians.
there is no such thing as "slav ethnic group". it only has linguistic connotation.
we are not greeks by far.
we are ethnic macedonians.
greece in the past century, especialy before WW2 has reffered numerous times to "macedonians" and "macedonian language" and these documents are in the greek archives,many have been restored.
you can do a search on that matter is you wish so.
so,the liers is you, not us.
you reckognised us several times already, and the whole world knows that.
@angomako Do you honestly think that these clowns (half of them are Greek civil servents but their fortune is inconsistent...) are being persecuted by the Greek state?LOL
Is this your minority that will be "liberated"?
Why didn't they full the tavern they always "held meetings"?
Why they get just 4000 votes from all over Greece ("Macedonians", leftists, anarchists and gays(!)).
Konstandinidis,Mitrova,Gligoroyevic and many more people in your country are not enjoying this kind of freedom...
as for you prosfiga, holding some "keys", let's just see for how much long you will be able to inhibit the nato expansion within this part of the balkans.
anyways, just as you would "die" for your fake history and fake ingenered nation made of turks,albanians, vlachs,arabs,slavs etc, so do all ethnic macedonians put much much more emphasis on their own continuity as an ethnic group then the membership in Eu or any international organisation (if that is the price for entering it).
Μάθαμε και κάτι...όταν ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος ευχόταν "εις υγείαν" έλεγε на здравје
Κούνια που σας κούναγε. Η ιστορία δεν αλλάζει, ξεπεσμένοι Σλάβοι ήσασταν, ξεπεσμένοι Σλάβοι είστε. Και μόνο που αποκαλείστε Μακεδόνες είναι ντροπή για την Μακεδονία.
Ακυρα πράγματα!Ανυποστατοι ισχυρισμοι..Μονο φανατισμος!!Και ο παπας μεγα φρουτο!!Παντε να ζησετε στα Σκοπια διοτι εδω δεν θα πετυχετε τιποτα.(Τρομάρα σας!!Θελετε να λεγεστε και Μακεδονες..Ασκιμοχτιστοι)!!
Lichi si iskrenoto volnenie na uchastnicite v subitieto!No ne zabraviajte che morkova e v ednata ryka,a golemata grycka tojga v drugata.Radvajte se na plodovete na svoia trud i kakto rajskata iabylka zad gyrba na intervioiranite pomnete che tia e sladka ,no i stipchiva.
Bravo na hrabrosta, na izdrzlivosta. Nie sme tuka za vas. Sto treba ke pomagame. moralnata poddrska sekako ja imate. Da ziveat hrabrite aktivisti na Vinozito! Samo taka napred da se ohrabrat i drugite makedonci, kade i da se. Vo Kostur sledniot pat i taka po red, sekade niz site makedonski mesta vo Grcija.
Bre ne mozete da bidete i makedonci i grci, odlucete se veke ednas sto ste. Ili grci, ili makedonci, ne mozete dvete raboti istovremeno, bidejki tie se mnogu razliciti.
@redgreek2811 , noone from aegean macedonia has called me "skopjanec"...it's just people like you that are indebted to the system as it is...you know, like the commies were indebted to the communist system, and didn't wanted to see it go...
we have no agenda telling people who and what they are.
the fact that you have to come TO ME and TELL ME who I should be so YOU would feel better...that says much ABOUT YOU.
you can define your self more greek then Socrates, even though in my eyes you're just an egeec.
we're ethnic macedonians, you're slavophone greek macedonian, as far as i figured out. am i msiatken in defining you, or the misterious thee is beyond deffinition?
I am not interested in any connection with Socrates cause Modern Greek nation was created in early 19th century as all modern nations.The same applies to your nation that was created more recently unfortunately
it is not "fabricared", it is just a name we use for our cousins in aegean macedonia.
my "brat" in aegean macedonia (or greek-whatever) is my aunt actualy.
her cousins there are all "ancient greeks" with greek names and they cannot change them to original makedonian names (non-greek) even if they wanted to.
haha milate slawika kai lete oti eistai makedones sas gamise o tito ta miala,na kai o psixakias o tsarknias pou leei oti ta kserei ola kai h ellhnes opos panta einai oi kakoi etsi sas emathe o tito hahaha malakes skopianoiXD Elefteria sthn boreia makedonia ekso oi skopianoi apo thn makedonia
Next time Vinozito sould participate in Greek parliamentary elections and finally smell the coffee that Macedonians don't feel co-nationals with you or minority of FYROM.
2500 votes out of 2.500.000 registered voters in Greek Macedonia in last European elections = 0.09%
ολοι οι αλλοι μιλανε οπως μιλανε στα σκοπια(σαν εκει να μεγαλωσαν).........γιατι αραγε γινεται αυτο?.......προφανως ειναι επιτηδευμενο κ ειναι καλα δασκαλεμενοι κ δεν εχουν σχεση καμμια με τον απλο κοσμο που μιλαει την διαλεκτο
If a party defending the rights of homosexuals is formed in greece, do you think that all homosexuals in Greece will vote for it, or will they still vote for some of the two largest PASOK or ND, thus keeping their jobs and interests...?
I think that if homosexuals or whatever group you might think of consider themselves as really oppressed and marginalized by main stream policy they are going to vote for the party of homosexuals.
Why are there 2 elected members of muslim-turkish minority in Greek parliament after successive Greek elections and not one of your assuming minority?
Ех да бевме сите Македонци како Павле и пријателите Македонија ќе беше Обединета до сега,ама како што вика Павле ''Не се плашете,главата горе,ќе дојдат нашите 5 минути".
You have the full support of the Macedonian Diaspora world wide! We take pride in your accomplishment today, and wish you all the best with future openings.
If there were only 2,500 votes in the recent EU elctions last June, then why should you care to even make a comment? Why does such a small number bother you, even though the votes were counted by Athens? Why does it bother the Greek Government who found it necessary to order the Greek Postal Servide to withhold mailing Vinozito's election leaflets to thousands upon thousands of Macedonians?
It;s not hypothetical. There were 2.500 votes. And if you calculate the accidental votes (eg Rainbow votes could be found even in Karpathos island or Zakynthos:) the real number must be some 1500-1600.
In this video the same -again and again- faces of 5-6 people.
As for the postal service fairy tail..excuse but this sounds pathetic...so do the voters need a mailed election leaflet to arrive home?? Leaflets of Rainbow were available in every single election center,incl the one i voted.
All these are pathetic excuses.
As abt "why does it bother you"? Would you comment it as ridiculous if i posted that 500.000 Greeks live in FYROM presenting a handful of people making their claims?
No problem. I accept your self-identification. I would simply ask that you accept those Macedonians who want to identify only as Macedonians with their own language, culture and history. Citizens of Greece yes, but not Greek. They won't harm you or Greece. You need not ridicule or belittle their efforts to participate in elections or their electoral results.
Oh, and if you wish them to distinguish themselves from you: the regional Macedonians with Greek consciousness, then Rainbow has already stated its policy: they protect the ETHNIC Macedonian minority in Greece. Difference: Macedonians vs ethnic Macedonians: people with Macedonian national consciousness !
you can define your Macedonian-ness any way you want, it is still in a different category then the way we have been defining it-we are ethnic Macedonians.
you are...whatever you wanna call it....Greek Macedonians, or "really real" Macedonians, historically correct Macedonians, whatever works for you bro, determine your self anyway your heart desires. it's ur own thing.
I come from those you say "should distinguish themselves anyway they like." You distinguished yourself by becoming Greek. That's fine. If you also consider yourself Greek Macedonian, that's fine too. However, I and my people choose to remain who we have always been - only Macedonians with our own Macedonian language, culture, history. We don't see the need to distinguish ourselves beyond who we are. The right to self identify is acceptable in the European Union.
Bravo ! tvojata diskusija e mnogu smirena , bez nacionalizmi i na mesto. taka treba. na nivnite fashistichki ispadi da odgovarame so smirenost i argumenti.
The idiotic thing is that although every nation was to some degree "invented" in the modern capitalistic era of the last 2 centuries you claim to "remain what you have been"
This is the joke of the milenia.
Our anchestors were slavic speaking Romii Macedonians (Rum millet in Ottoman era).
Not only are you new but in fact you are the newest invented nation in Balkan.That's why you sould distinguish yourselves with a qualifier
@redgreek2811, the problem with the negotiations is thatgreeks want erga omnes usage for the name, including the language and the ethnic group.
that was the greek point all along-they dont want someone to inflinge on their painstakingli assimilated slavophone macedonian population-and long term speaking, having a large slavophone population in the north that identifies as macedonians, identifies with ancioent macedonian history, more recent history etc in a more inclusive manner-is intimidating
i have no problem with anyone identifying the way they feel, but i also feel that greece should allow people who identify like ethnic macedonians to identify as such as well.
that goes for bulgaria too.
we are not 19th century anymore and everyone should have the right to protect their language and culture.
unfortunately your behavior is like it was 19th century. 20th and 21st century is the age of knowledge and science. It is obvious that this people aren't Macedonians and also that their language is a Slav language, as it is also obvious that I am non an elephant.
20 and 21 century are also centuries for respecting inalienable human righs for self-determination.
you are no authority,as mixed blooded modern greek to say who has the exclusive right to the ancient history of the region macedonia.
To claim historical exclusivities, as greece does, in order to strenghten their sense of "national cohesion" and unity is exactly a thing of 19 century, and it's very alive in Greece toiday.
there are many members of the modern greek nation that were not greekophone in their ancestry, and speaking greek doesn't give anyone exclusive right to ancient macedonian history.
that is non-sense.
hal;f europe epaks latin-are they exclusive descendants of the ancient romans? it is same with the post-bisantian greekophone world where greek came to be "lingua franca" for a period of time.
it doesn't mean that those people are exclusive "really real" descendants of ancients
Macedonian culture is a part of Greek one. It is not a separate culture, it is not a separate history. There are not Greeks and Macedonians. Macedonia, Thrace, Ionia, Thessaly, Crete, Peloponnese etc are pieces of Greek culture.
There is only one way for somebody to be Macedonian. He has to be Greek, to speak Greek, to have Greek ethics. So simple, everything else is wrong and unacceptable.
People of FYROM have nothing common with Greeks, not even a word.
Neo Greek language has roots in ancient greek language and survived under Othoman slavery for 500 years. We were not kings, we were slaves but we kept our language for centuries
there are 2 million people calling them selves ethnic macedonians, and apparently UN has nothing against (check the UN web page and you will find macedonian language, it is also supported by the EU board for minority languages).
there are many bulgarians who are also "Macedonians", with bulgarian ethnic-national identification.
we are not with greek nor bulgarian ethno identification-we are simply ethnic slavophone macedonians.
it makes perfect sense in my world and in the eyes of the world , who doesn't have any issues with us.
the only one who have issues are ones like you, who buy into "pure exclusive" ancient nation bullshit and use ancient history like a carrot for a stick towards the way of ethnic assimilation.
You are just slavophone SOMETHING. Try to find what is your something and don't bother us. The only truth is that you are not Macedonians and your language isn't Macedonian because Macedonian and Greek language are the same. Keep believing your myth and you'll stay out of E.U. and NATO. You can have us as your friends or us your enemies? The choice is yours.
pih, i'm scared:) this is exactly the thinking that greece will be remebered by in the history.
we are not "slavophone something", we are ethnic macedonians, who by the way, are in the usa immigration chart in the begining of the 20th century before aegean macedonia even became part of greece.
the truth is: we are ethnic macedonians and that will not change.
make sure and absolutely sure of one thing:
we will never ever give up on our language and ethnicity ever.
My nephew also believe in Santa Claus. That is good for him, it makes him feel better, but we both know that is a myth. Myth is also your nation. I'm sorry, I know that this hurts, I know that you have been grown up by this myth, but we can't give to you our name as a gift just because of humanism. No matter what USA and G.Soros say, we have the key for your future.
Keep dreaming my friend. Our country is in 30 richest countries of the world. What about yours? Don't you know that your country economy depends of ours?
You have long way to go before you can criticize our county. We are on 21st and you are on 19th century. Keep dreaming.
If somebody is dreaming, that is certainly you-expecting that 2million people will somehow "change" their identity because of his "emotions" on the topic.
the reality of ethnic Macedonians is in the UN and pretty much EU.
amd also check the facts that Macedonhian language and Macedonian ethnos exists in thge UN and pretty much Greece (as evidenced by the UN commisioner for minority rights last year).
have a nice nap.
As for EU-again, read bellow.
We're not trampling EU for our idenity-never ever.
Put that in your (supposedly ancient) greek head.
And by the way, go talk to some slavophone ntopia in the Western Macedonia when ur time allows it.
I suppose that you are talking about your ethnic SOMETHING. Don't talk to me about Slav Macedonians, I don't believe myths and I'm gonna throw up. You better change the emblem of you flag into "0" or into "UNKNOWN" .
it is neo-greeks that should follow the proverbs that they presume belong excflusively to them.
you better "know ur self" cause i know my self well.
Get to know your prosfiga grandfather, your slavonic macedonian grandmother , your vlach uncle and your albanian aunt, then come and say to me "know ur slef", you mythologicaly-for-imperial-purposes-bred-neo-greek.
Ethnic Macedonians exist in UN-as for in ur head, NOBODY CARES.
You think that you just said something smart and clever but you just said a xxxxxxx . I am sorry about you because your historical knowledge is sooooooo poor. I am really sorry about you. You will never learn the truth. What a pity!!!
That is your problem. I know exactly my identity. I have never been a communism victim. My education is based on the truth and not on Tito's stories. Look, I don't hate you, I just feel sorry for your blindness. Try to learn and not to teach. You don't have the qualifications to teach us history.
This is my last message, I cannot spent all of my time to make you see. I am not Jesus Christ. We have nothing to afraid of you, just we have the unluckiness to have blind neighbors. You are a problem for unionizing Europe. That's our problem, we are losing time. That's the US game against E.U. Find your "something" to go to the next step you, us and all Europe. As long as you'll be problem, US rubbing her hands. Can't you see that? Except if you feel more Americans than Europeans.
its Christmas, and you certainly have nothing to do with God and His love.
Thank you for the "kind wishes", i don't wish any of that upon you or any greek.
The justice will prevail, and we will endure, be very very assured of that!
I am not concerned at all, and honestly, the only one pittiful are such as your self-who wish bad upon their neighbours and play godfathers to weddings they haven't been invited on.
We don't wish your distortion. Just don't steal our name. This is justice. You want justice? Prove it.
You just have to know that even if God, Allah, Buddha, the all universe, USA, Germany, S.Arabia etc. recognize you as Macedonians, the last word is ours.
And we say that Macedonia is Greece and Macedonian language is Greek.. Anything else is a lie.
Finaly and again, let it sink slowely, so I'll just keep repeating it back and forth-we, ethnic Macedonians will not go anywhere if the price fir that is our identity.
We're not trampling our sacred idetity for EU or NATO (nor there is a reason for that, because it is reckognised in both these institutions, besides any objections of Greece-check it ur self).
So, let's keep repeating our "red lines" back and forth, shall we?
It is funny that one could even dare to think, and lose his sleep over how someone identifies with...
the disgrace of europe that they won't allow to continue for ever, trust me.
It will get settled-prob "North Macedonia (which it already is) while we'll just remain ethic Macedonians (aka Macedonians as regional identity in Greece or Bulgaria) like it already is.
Now we're probably talking about the range of the usage of the name.
We ain't gona change the constitution either, so yah...
My friend, Ι'm not 6 years old, i was in Greek schools in 1980 and in geography books was written that Macedonia was in Greece and your country was a part of Yugoslavia. Because thats what you are Slavs and fake Macedonians. Read this word and put it in your mind: FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE. Comprender?
if u were in greek schools in that time, open a geography book from that time and see what is the name of the southermost country within federation of yugoslavia at that time.
there is clip on youtube about that showing greek geography book from that time.
Country in a country? You make me laugh. The country name was Yugoslavia.
I don't care if you call your house Thespian house, or your toilet Thracian toilet. You can call your toilet us you like. But not your country, except if your country is a toilet which is probably is.
if you just had the brain to read Greek, you could see that in the book is written that "Yugoslavia is a federation of Bosnia, Serbia, ...Macedonia..." Thats why your name is FYROM. We are not liers like you. Tito named this part as Macedonian. He named his toilet as Macedonia. Now Tito gone and you want a toilet to become a country. The answer is NO.
In USA there are cities named as Athens, Sparta, Phoenix, Thebes etc. No problem with that. But if USA rename themselves to Greeks the we'll have problem.
People living there are also Macedonians-AS A REGIONAL IDENTITY-NOT ETHNIC OR NATIONAL.
Our Macedonian identity (whicjh nobody gives a fuck what greeks think about it,that is why it is internationaly reckognised), is different then any Greek's regional idenity.
end of story.
Also, nobody Macedonian or american calls them selves "Greeks" anyway, so you don't have any problems...you just have to invent them to "protect" ur false sense of "ancientness".
Look it's simple, we will never recognize you as Macedonians because you aren't.
Be happy, we are just a minority of the world. The point is that our minority is enough to keep you out of EU and NATO. This means that if Albania attack you, we won't be your allies.
Albania won't "attack" us, even if Albanians fight to separate, MACEDONIA will be what?
20% smaller (that's how much of the teritory they inhabit)?
Makedonia will still be there, just more homogenous and stable.
Second: NATO has its own interests, and Macedonia is in this agenda-don't fool ur self that you could stand in USA's path for too long-either way,it's safe.
there are people in Pakistan even that are considering them selves as descendants of Alexander's the Great armies,. True or not-that is their ethnic story (or mythology0 and they have all the right to think of them selves as they see fit.
Just like you modern Greeks have the right to fantasize about some supposed "ancientnes", that is ur mythology.
As for us-we were calling our selves Macedonians for centuries, including documents written in Greek.
you are free to believe about ur self whatever you wish, nobody cares.
why should i care?
as for my "something" nation, it is reckognised by the whole world-who cares what you guys think?it is ur insecurities-to look for enemies, paranoya everywhere, that drives you to these sites and trying to prove to others your way of seeing things-because some other way of seeing things is seen as endangering for it.
that is what the whole world knows and nobody gives a shith what you are imagining to "give or not give".
the fear is in other things-modern greece has used ancient history to homogenise its diverse multhy-ethnic populations-orthodox albanian,vlach,slavonic macedonia, arab, turkophone, etc...
Having a country of Macedonians who see history of Macedonia as thir own and have historical affinity to the Macedonian mythology, endangers this project longterm.
If you don't give a shit of our opinion then why do you make these videos? You have convinced all the world for you lie. Leave us to believe what we want to believe and live with the world's recognition. We are just a minority. Why do you want to convince us?
the people who made these videos are greek citizens, go deal with them as you know the best-by putting them in jails and intimidating them.
there are hundreds of thousands of slavophone Macedonians in Greece, and the fear of Greece and one of the main reasons of why it started this "historical" sharade is the fear, that these painstakingly assimilated and hellenised populations will reidenitify with ethnic Makedonians like they did during the civil war
if ur story ends there, you will miss much of the real stuff.
yes, we are slavophones, that is correct.
slavophone Macedonians.
there are thousands pf people in macedonia that come from greece-refugees, ofcourse,never alowed to go back, lands confiscated,like turks did to you, probably worse,because there was at least some exchange in that case.
as for using Makedonia and Makedonian language-oh, we use it, and the whole world knows about it :)
I talked you, I am not Jesus and I am sure not brain doctor. I can't fix paranoia. So I can't convince you maybe because you don't want to, but what I'm saying is we will never allow you to become our NATO or EU partner with your paranoiac name. Thats for sure. So keep your paranoia and also keep dreaming
well you are also considered by manjy ethnic macedonians to be a bunch of orthodox turks, arabs, vlachs, slavs and albanians, posing as "ancient greeks".
so, if you do not reckognise us, it's really no big deal, it is kinda mutual.
as for the war, youi already loats, because macedonian is in thge EU and UN.
wether Macedonia will be "north Macedonia" it's not much of a big deal because IT IS North Macedonia.
It just means there is place in the south where there is more Macedonia.
as for "paranoyan". look at your words and how "you will fie", and i advise you, to go see a shrink, because you have a difficult mental disease.
you should cure it.
last time when someone was using such nationalistic absolutes and using history to "prove" how people have no right to this or that, was Hitler, and after him, Miloshevich.
Why do you thing that we care of your opinion? You are history thieves. We don't care of your opinion. Nobody trusts a thief.
So, keep world's recognition for your self. We will NEVER recognize you and your language. This is our LAST world. Maybe you have found the hole (world's recognition) but we have the key. So keep believing that you speak Macedonian language but everyone with a little brain can see that Macedonian language is Greek language. I cannot put brain at your head.
Da ste zdravi i zivi HEROJI NASI MAKEDONSKI so vas istorijata se pisuva a vie ste tie koja ja pistuvate istrajte vo svojata borba taka i zivotot ke ima smisla . Nasite junaci od istorijata velea podobro da zivees so Hrabrost nego da si bogat i plaslivec. Napred nie sme so vas i svetot go odobruva popoleka momentot na vistinata Nadoadja. Macedonia for Macedonians.
mrspase01 2 months ago
Да сте здрави и живи браќа!!!
lennycoh 8 months ago
poa ............od makedonija
071226676 9 months ago
Браво за нашите во Егејска Македонија
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Βοντεμσκι ΚΟΜΗΤΕΤ!!!!
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Ουστ από δω βρωμοκουμούνια. Κομιτατζηδες. Βουλγαροι.
Παριστάνετε τους Ελληνες επειδη ντρέπόσαστε την γυφτιά σας.
Δρομο για τον Καυκασο απο οπου ηρθατε! Παρασιτα!!!
ΟΙ νέοι κομητατζήδες των Βοδενών!!!
Δεν έχουμε ξεχάσει τους παλιους!
proteusx 1 year ago
Long Live M A C E D O N I A
dimovteam 1 year ago
You are a Tito'a Fart only and your culture is slavobulgarian, You 'll never become macedonian. Where have you been the last 2000 years were you sleeping and suddenly woke up ? You are only dirty lyers and criminals of war.
keepdinoo 2 years ago 4
@keepdinoo Η Ελλάδα καυχάται ότι δεν περιέχει μειονότητες, ξεχνώντας ότι δεν περιέχει Ελληνες.
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
During September 1997 a Greek national with "Bulgarian identity" from Edessa named N STOIDIS appeared in Sofia at the National Historical Museum and declared to the Director Bozidar Dimitrov that he has in his possession a stone inscription found in Edessa during the reconstruction of a church. The Director declared the inscription a fake made by Bulgarian nationalists in the 19th Century.
gate net/~mango/Bulgarian_falsification html
ΒΓΑΛΑΝΕ ΤΗΝ ΑΠΑΤΗ ΣΟΥ ΣΤΟ ΙΝΤΕΡΝΕΤ ΝΙΚΟΛΑΚΗ
2005defender 1 year ago 4
@keepdinoo
why did you forbide the name of Macedonia and Macedonians untill 1989 ???
EWhy did your goverment expel 50000 macedonians during the citizen war 1948?
Where is their propetrty ?
Long live macedonia and ala macedonians where ever they are!
oknev 1 year ago
@keepdinoo MACEDONIANS NEVER DIED, YOU ASSHOLE- HELL ASS
JUST WATCH
PROUD TO BE MACEDONIAN
UNITED MACEDONIA
AND WE ARE ALLWAYS HERE YOU ARE JUST BLIND, LIKE NOW. MONKEY
SOON YOU GONNA BE UNDER MACEDONIAN RULE, LIKE IN ALEXANDER'S TIME.
ALL THE BEST
jolemak 5 months ago
This is the begin of the Macedonian unification!
CAKIMacedonian 2 years ago
Βοντένσκι Κομητετ.
ΟΙ νέοι κομητατζήδες των Βοδενών!!!
Δεν έχουμε ξεχάσει τους παλιους!
proteusx 2 years ago
Your language is bulgarian.
Your so called country will soon be annexed by Bulgaria and Albania.
If it wasn't for the Americans and the traitors that rule in Greece Vardarska would be wiped of the map.
proteusx 2 years ago 2
@proteusx ! re vromotourkosporee pote kai esys egines ellines ?
istoriify 1 year ago
@istoriify
αντε ρε στοιδη κομμιτατζη της πουτσας ολο ξυλο τρως παλιομαλκα
2005defender 1 year ago
@2005defender ΤΟΥΡΚΟΠΟΥΛΟΙ!!!
ΤΑ ΠΑΙΔΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΤΟΥΡΚΩΝ ΠΟΥ ΑΛΛΑΞΟΠΙΣΤΗΣΑΝ
istoriify 1 year ago
@proteusx Η ΚΑΠΟΙΟΙ ΕΓΙΝΑΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΕΝ ΞΕΡΟΥΝ ΤΙ ΗΤΑΝ ΠΡΙΝ;
istoriify 1 year ago
@proteusx I have no interest in your fantasies - but every person is a master of the madness in his head. Let me see how greek you will be once the european money stops and you work until 75 to earn your miserable pension.
lennycoh 8 months ago
BULGARIANS !!!
radko2222 2 years ago
In 21 century for the first time minority in Greece open office to protects their basic human right to declare their self like they fill, Macedonians.
Are Greece in Europe or in Africa ?
Slavjanski 2 years ago
Greece is in EU but remains Greece and not Europe. So do the same. Remain Slavs because you can not be Greeks and do you can not be Macedonians.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
there is no such thing as "slav ethnic group". it only has linguistic connotation.
we are not greeks by far.
we are ethnic macedonians.
greece in the past century, especialy before WW2 has reffered numerous times to "macedonians" and "macedonian language" and these documents are in the greek archives,many have been restored.
you can do a search on that matter is you wish so.
so,the liers is you, not us.
you reckognised us several times already, and the whole world knows that.
angomako 2 years ago
@angomako Do you honestly think that these clowns (half of them are Greek civil servents but their fortune is inconsistent...) are being persecuted by the Greek state?LOL
Is this your minority that will be "liberated"?
Why didn't they full the tavern they always "held meetings"?
Why they get just 4000 votes from all over Greece ("Macedonians", leftists, anarchists and gays(!)).
Konstandinidis,Mitrova,Gligoroyevic and many more people in your country are not enjoying this kind of freedom...
serreosoo8 1 year ago
@serreosoo8
i'm talking about un reports, etc.
as for the guys you mentioned-they are free to say whatever they want.
if there are Greeks in rep. Macedonia enough to be a minority-they should have all the appropriate rights to be accommodated.
after all, they would be tax paying citizens.
angomako 1 year ago
as for you prosfiga, holding some "keys", let's just see for how much long you will be able to inhibit the nato expansion within this part of the balkans.
anyways, just as you would "die" for your fake history and fake ingenered nation made of turks,albanians, vlachs,arabs,slavs etc, so do all ethnic macedonians put much much more emphasis on their own continuity as an ethnic group then the membership in Eu or any international organisation (if that is the price for entering it).
angomako 2 years ago
There is no Aegean Macedonia, Macedonia is Greece.
There are some other pieces of Macedonia where now are living some Slavs or something
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
Μάθαμε και κάτι...όταν ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος ευχόταν "εις υγείαν" έλεγε на здравје
Κούνια που σας κούναγε. Η ιστορία δεν αλλάζει, ξεπεσμένοι Σλάβοι ήσασταν, ξεπεσμένοι Σλάβοι είστε. Και μόνο που αποκαλείστε Μακεδόνες είναι ντροπή για την Μακεδονία.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
Βαλτε τον παπα κατω απο μια μπανανια..ταιριαζει καλυτερα!
CASIUSGELAEI 2 years ago
Ακυρα πράγματα!Ανυποστατοι ισχυρισμοι..Μονο φανατισμος!!Και ο παπας μεγα φρουτο!!Παντε να ζησετε στα Σκοπια διοτι εδω δεν θα πετυχετε τιποτα.(Τρομάρα σας!!Θελετε να λεγεστε και Μακεδονες..Ασκιμοχτιστοι)!!
20ALEXANDROS 2 years ago
Poor Nazi Pontian Gypsy
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klipku123 2 years ago
The PM of FYROM N. Gruev(ski) visited Prespa to meet the Greek PM.
He and all his delegation complained that were treated and labeled by the local Macedonians of the area as "SKOPJANCI".
This is true.For us you are SKOPJANCI and will be for ever.
We are Macedonians inside Greek nation.Romii and Macedonians
redgreek2811 2 years ago
@redgreek2811 , keep trying...at some point you'll realize that you have already failed (past tense).
angomako 2 years ago
Lichi si iskrenoto volnenie na uchastnicite v subitieto!No ne zabraviajte che morkova e v ednata ryka,a golemata grycka tojga v drugata.Radvajte se na plodovete na svoia trud i kakto rajskata iabylka zad gyrba na intervioiranite pomnete che tia e sladka ,no i stipchiva.
BG1878 2 years ago 2
ΣΕ ΠΟΙΟ ΜΑΓΑΖΙ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΤΑ ΣΚΟΥΠΙΔΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΠΙΝΟΥΝ? ΤΣΑΡΚΝΙΑ Ο ΒΑΛΙΑΝΑΤΟΣ ΤΙ ΒΑΘΟΣ ΕΧΕΙ?
bg75dec 2 years ago
Bravo na hrabrosta, na izdrzlivosta. Nie sme tuka za vas. Sto treba ke pomagame. moralnata poddrska sekako ja imate. Da ziveat hrabrite aktivisti na Vinozito! Samo taka napred da se ohrabrat i drugite makedonci, kade i da se. Vo Kostur sledniot pat i taka po red, sekade niz site makedonski mesta vo Grcija.
slimnica 2 years ago
Why didn't Vinozito get more than 3.5% of the votes in Florina and more than 0.1% in the whole Macedonia?
Time to smell the coffee.
ние сме Македонци и поради тоа ние сме Грци
redgreek2811 2 years ago
Bre ne mozete da bidete i makedonci i grci, odlucete se veke ednas sto ste. Ili grci, ili makedonci, ne mozete dvete raboti istovremeno, bidejki tie se mnogu razliciti.
slimnica 2 years ago
can you eat my shit and from all MACEDONIANS ... YOU ARE ONE GYPSI FROM ETIOPIA ... MACEDONIA SOONER BECAME INDIPENDENT AND FOR MACEDONIANS
VardarPirinEgej 2 years ago
SKOPJANEC you should find your relatives INCLUDING SHIT among Hunza people in Pakistan cause MAKEDONCI are GRCI.
What a pity for you Skopjanci.VINOZITO gets only 0.09% of the votes in Macedonia
redgreek2811 2 years ago
@redgreek2811 , noone from aegean macedonia has called me "skopjanec"...it's just people like you that are indebted to the system as it is...you know, like the commies were indebted to the communist system, and didn't wanted to see it go...
we have no agenda telling people who and what they are.
the fact that you have to come TO ME and TELL ME who I should be so YOU would feel better...that says much ABOUT YOU.
angomako 2 years ago
I feel very well with my Macedonian identity and am proud of it.
You have a particular agenda telling people who they should be.That's why you are here.
Do not fool yourself
redgreek2811 2 years ago
your macedobian identity is not ethnic identity.
ours is. as for being happy with it, go ahead and be happy. here's a lollipop.
angomako 2 years ago
@angomako
Are you lecturing us on what we are?
Our Macedonian identity is beyond your control BTW and have a lollipop yourself
redgreek2811 2 years ago
@redgreek2811, you are lecturing us on what we are.
you can define your self more greek then Socrates, even though in my eyes you're just an egeec.
we're ethnic macedonians, you're slavophone greek macedonian, as far as i figured out. am i msiatken in defining you, or the misterious thee is beyond deffinition?
angomako 2 years ago
@angomako
Egeec is a new term fabricated in 20th century.
I am not interested in any connection with Socrates cause Modern Greek nation was created in early 19th century as all modern nations.The same applies to your nation that was created more recently unfortunately
redgreek2811 2 years ago
it is not "fabricared", it is just a name we use for our cousins in aegean macedonia.
my "brat" in aegean macedonia (or greek-whatever) is my aunt actualy.
her cousins there are all "ancient greeks" with greek names and they cannot change them to original makedonian names (non-greek) even if they wanted to.
angomako 2 years ago
haha milate slawika kai lete oti eistai makedones sas gamise o tito ta miala,na kai o psixakias o tsarknias pou leei oti ta kserei ola kai h ellhnes opos panta einai oi kakoi etsi sas emathe o tito hahaha malakes skopianoiXD Elefteria sthn boreia makedonia ekso oi skopianoi apo thn makedonia
HellenicFighter 2 years ago
Шампиони!!!! Шампиони!!!!
lennycoh 2 years ago
rrrr rixte ts katw apo t mpalkoni rrr.....:@:@:@
kaulaprincess 2 years ago
ΚΑΛΑ ΠΟΥ ΕΧΕΤΕ ΜΕΓΑΛΟ ΜΠΑΛΚΟΝΙ ΚΑΙ ΘΑ ΧΩΡΑΤΕ ΝΑ ΚΡΕΜΑΣΤΕΙΤΕ ΕΚΕΙ ΟΤΑΝ ΘΑ ΕΡΘΕΙ Η ΩΡΑ.ΠΡΟΔΟΤΕΣ. ΣΚΥΛΙΑ. ΝΑ ΠΑΤΕ ΣΤΑ ΓΥΦΤΟΣΚΟΠΙΑ ΝΑ ΖΗΣΕΤΕ. ΕΦΙΑΛΤΕΣ
bg75dec 2 years ago 4
Είστε αναστατωμένος. Ηρεμήστε παρακαλώ.
You are upset. Calm down please.
Вие сте вознемирени. Смири се молам.
slobodnamk 2 years ago
ova me radva
cajceto 2 years ago
ГОЛЕМ ПОЗДРАВ И ПОДДРШКА ДО ВИНОЖИТО ! уште многу канцеларии да ги отворите на нашата земја и да се знае дека е Македонска !
MrsELENASOLUN 2 years ago
Next time Vinozito sould participate in Greek parliamentary elections and finally smell the coffee that Macedonians don't feel co-nationals with you or minority of FYROM.
2500 votes out of 2.500.000 registered voters in Greek Macedonia in last European elections = 0.09%
redgreek2811 2 years ago
then what's the point of any concern for you to come and debate this with us?
in this case, you shopuld really feel not any threat for your "deffinition of macedonianness" by any of these clips.
and yet, you come back over and over again.
what for?
because it threatens at some level your definition of your self as Macedonian.
it concerns you.
that's why you come again and again.
angomako 2 years ago
Yea I am threatened all the time.
I can't fall in sleep.
Your newly invented identity makes me feel scared.
Time to smell the coffee for you too.
redgreek2811 2 years ago
well you obviously are, when you have the need to tell 2million people what they should be because they...threaten you in some way.
angomako 2 years ago
Да сте здрави и живи уште 1,000,000,000 години, вие и вашите потомци. Вие сте нашата надеж МАКЕДОНСКА.
ЗА МАКЕДОНИЈА ДО СМРТ !!!!!
MacedonVirus 2 years ago
вистински Македонија е грчка
The Real Macedonia is Greek
redgreek2811 2 years ago
ΟΙ ΟΥΡΑΝΙΕΣ ΠΟΥΣΤΡΕΣ
StefovianCrackheads 2 years ago
ολοι οι αλλοι μιλανε οπως μιλανε στα σκοπια(σαν εκει να μεγαλωσαν).........γιατι αραγε γινεται αυτο?.......προφανως ειναι επιτηδευμενο κ ειναι καλα δασκαλεμενοι κ δεν εχουν σχεση καμμια με τον απλο κοσμο που μιλαει την διαλεκτο
LichnaVodenka 2 years ago
Taka. Poiketo lafat kako Skopianite.
Grkoman 2 years ago
Εκτος απο 2 (τον Εδεσσαιο παππου κ το νεο απο Ναουσσα) που μιλανε την γλωσσα οπως την μαθανε απο τους παππουδες τους
LichnaVodenka 2 years ago
Είστε νεκροί...
edessara7 2 years ago
ΕΝΑΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ Ο ΑΡΧΗΓΟΣ,ΕΝΑΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΟΠΑΔΟΣ...ΜΕΤΑΚΟΜΙΣΑΝ ΟΛΟΙ ΜΑΖΙ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΝ...ΦΛΩΡΙΝΑ....
MrLolski 2 years ago
Is Vinozito known in Florina area?
I think yes.
Then why did it get 3.5% of votes in that particular area with the most dense concentration of slavic speaking Macedonians?
Cause as clearly and freely last European elections showed the 96.5% of the population of Florina self-identify as Macedonians inside Greek nation.
redgreek2811 2 years ago
I have a question for you?!
If a party defending the rights of homosexuals is formed in greece, do you think that all homosexuals in Greece will vote for it, or will they still vote for some of the two largest PASOK or ND, thus keeping their jobs and interests...?
Androzila 2 years ago
I think that if homosexuals or whatever group you might think of consider themselves as really oppressed and marginalized by main stream policy they are going to vote for the party of homosexuals.
Why are there 2 elected members of muslim-turkish minority in Greek parliament after successive Greek elections and not one of your assuming minority?
Time to smell the coffee
redgreek2811 2 years ago
naseto vreme ide braka i sestri so golemi cekori-GLAVATA GORE
karanfiliii 2 years ago
Και της μάνας σου το ξυρισμένο...
edessara7 2 years ago
МАКЕДОНИЈА Е ВЕЧНА!!!!!!!
aquarium01 2 years ago
Ех да бевме сите Македонци како Павле и пријателите Македонија ќе беше Обединета до сега,ама како што вика Павле ''Не се плашете,главата горе,ќе дојдат нашите 5 минути".
aquarium01 2 years ago
... СО СРЦЕ ВЕСЕЛО МАКЕДОНЦИ :) ...
... МАКЕДОНИЈА ВЕЧНА Е !
:)
gocajaska 2 years ago 2
Cestito brakja... Samo napred.
Neka puknat dusmanite!
AlexandarVII 2 years ago 3
You have the full support of the Macedonian Diaspora world wide! We take pride in your accomplishment today, and wish you all the best with future openings.
nick1tse 2 years ago 5
Not true: afto enia psma ke speftiko
Greekcowboy123 2 years ago
To RedGreek2811.
If there were only 2,500 votes in the recent EU elctions last June, then why should you care to even make a comment? Why does such a small number bother you, even though the votes were counted by Athens? Why does it bother the Greek Government who found it necessary to order the Greek Postal Servide to withhold mailing Vinozito's election leaflets to thousands upon thousands of Macedonians?
JUST EXACTLY WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU?
slobodnamk 2 years ago 3
It;s not hypothetical. There were 2.500 votes. And if you calculate the accidental votes (eg Rainbow votes could be found even in Karpathos island or Zakynthos:) the real number must be some 1500-1600.
maxxxilari 2 years ago
In this video the same -again and again- faces of 5-6 people.
As for the postal service fairy tail..excuse but this sounds pathetic...so do the voters need a mailed election leaflet to arrive home?? Leaflets of Rainbow were available in every single election center,incl the one i voted.
All these are pathetic excuses.
As abt "why does it bother you"? Would you comment it as ridiculous if i posted that 500.000 Greeks live in FYROM presenting a handful of people making their claims?
maxxxilari 2 years ago
I am not buying your theory cause Vinozito is a very well known party in Greece despite his trivial support from Macedonians.
So it was not the assuming "withholding of Vinozito leaflets" that further isolated the party.
It is that we don't feel as a minority of FYROM but as integral part of Greek nation with all our rich cultural tradition.
We are Macedonians inside Greek nation.
redgreek2811 2 years ago
No problem. I accept your self-identification. I would simply ask that you accept those Macedonians who want to identify only as Macedonians with their own language, culture and history. Citizens of Greece yes, but not Greek. They won't harm you or Greece. You need not ridicule or belittle their efforts to participate in elections or their electoral results.
slobodnamk 2 years ago
They cannot be a "macedonian" minority among 2.500.000 Macedonians who live in Greece.
They should distinguish themselves anyway they like from us but they cann't be recognized as the only "Macedonians".
The same applies to FYROM nationals and diaspora.
redgreek2811 2 years ago
Oh, and if you wish them to distinguish themselves from you: the regional Macedonians with Greek consciousness, then Rainbow has already stated its policy: they protect the ETHNIC Macedonian minority in Greece. Difference: Macedonians vs ethnic Macedonians: people with Macedonian national consciousness !
Androzila 2 years ago
We are not just regional Macedonians never have never will.
We are Macedonians inside Greek nation.
This is your own project in order to monopolize Macedonia,macedonian history,macedonian culture etc.
We don't happen to live in Macedonia,we are Macedonians as our forefathers of century and Romii.
Vinozito actually is nothing and protects noone but the interests of a bunch of slav-nationalists sponsored by diaspora
redgreek2811 2 years ago
you are mixing the definitions.
you can define your Macedonian-ness any way you want, it is still in a different category then the way we have been defining it-we are ethnic Macedonians.
you are...whatever you wanna call it....Greek Macedonians, or "really real" Macedonians, historically correct Macedonians, whatever works for you bro, determine your self anyway your heart desires. it's ur own thing.
angomako 2 years ago
I come from those you say "should distinguish themselves anyway they like." You distinguished yourself by becoming Greek. That's fine. If you also consider yourself Greek Macedonian, that's fine too. However, I and my people choose to remain who we have always been - only Macedonians with our own Macedonian language, culture, history. We don't see the need to distinguish ourselves beyond who we are. The right to self identify is acceptable in the European Union.
slobodnamk 2 years ago
Bravo ! tvojata diskusija e mnogu smirena , bez nacionalizmi i na mesto. taka treba. na nivnite fashistichki ispadi da odgovarame so smirenost i argumenti.
slimnica 2 years ago
The idiotic thing is that although every nation was to some degree "invented" in the modern capitalistic era of the last 2 centuries you claim to "remain what you have been"
This is the joke of the milenia.
Our anchestors were slavic speaking Romii Macedonians (Rum millet in Ottoman era).
Not only are you new but in fact you are the newest invented nation in Balkan.That's why you sould distinguish yourselves with a qualifier
redgreek2811 2 years ago
ethnic Macedonian is the qualifier aka "greek" or whatever macedonian.
time to smell the cofee, this will not change, but keep dreaming and keep telling who should we be.
after all, paper and internet can stand everything.
angomako 2 years ago
I don't care if your name changes or not.
Stay wherever you are.
But you will never be accepted as such
redgreek2811 2 years ago
@redgreek2811 , we are very very accepted by the whole world as macedonians and our langiage in macedonian.
check it out, this is past tense.
as for what redgreek thinks,none of us really cares at all.
angomako 2 years ago
@angomako
Then end the negotiations about the name issue since you are so much accepted by everyone as you are saying.
redgreek2811 2 years ago
@redgreek2811, the problem with the negotiations is thatgreeks want erga omnes usage for the name, including the language and the ethnic group.
that was the greek point all along-they dont want someone to inflinge on their painstakingli assimilated slavophone macedonian population-and long term speaking, having a large slavophone population in the north that identifies as macedonians, identifies with ancioent macedonian history, more recent history etc in a more inclusive manner-is intimidating
angomako 2 years ago
@angomako
So do you have a problem with the negotiations on the name issue or not?
Do you have a problem that your assuming brat in the Southern Macedonia self-identifies as Macedonian inside Greek nation or not?
redgreek2811 2 years ago
i have no problem with anyone identifying the way they feel, but i also feel that greece should allow people who identify like ethnic macedonians to identify as such as well.
that goes for bulgaria too.
we are not 19th century anymore and everyone should have the right to protect their language and culture.
angomako 2 years ago
@angomako
unfortunately your behavior is like it was 19th century. 20th and 21st century is the age of knowledge and science. It is obvious that this people aren't Macedonians and also that their language is a Slav language, as it is also obvious that I am non an elephant.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
@Trapezountaios ,
20 and 21 century are also centuries for respecting inalienable human righs for self-determination.
you are no authority,as mixed blooded modern greek to say who has the exclusive right to the ancient history of the region macedonia.
To claim historical exclusivities, as greece does, in order to strenghten their sense of "national cohesion" and unity is exactly a thing of 19 century, and it's very alive in Greece toiday.
angomako 2 years ago
@angoma
Bullshit!
You don't have the right to call us "mixed blooded modern greeks". You have to respect our right for self-determination.
We are Greeks (Hellenes) and the strongest prove for that is our language.
So we are Hellenes and Macedonians were Greeks.
You have the right for self-determination but you don't have the right of stealing names.
Is that clear?
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
@Trapezountaios , everybodu res[ects ur right for selfdetermination, the problem is when you don't respect other people's rights.
as for mixed blooded-you certainly are such, you don't expect zero "slav" blood in your self, do you?
nobody steals names-we were slavophone macedonians before you were born.
angomako 2 years ago
@angomako
You are Slavs, it is obvious. You look like Slavs, you talk like Slavs. The only way to be Macedonians is to be Greeks, which you aren't
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
@Trapezountaios ,
there are many members of the modern greek nation that were not greekophone in their ancestry, and speaking greek doesn't give anyone exclusive right to ancient macedonian history.
that is non-sense.
hal;f europe epaks latin-are they exclusive descendants of the ancient romans? it is same with the post-bisantian greekophone world where greek came to be "lingua franca" for a period of time.
it doesn't mean that those people are exclusive "really real" descendants of ancients
angomako 2 years ago
@Trapezountaios ,what is "slav"?
it is not an ethnic thing for sure cause there are many ethnic groups that speak slavonic language.
by the way, in the UN macedonian language exists as an independent language 100%.
just as neo-greek does.
angomako 2 years ago
@Trapezountaios , history is not black-white ,especialy in the balkans.
according to your logic, today's bulgarians can't be called bulgarians because they speak slavonic language.
(because ancient bulgarians were non-slavic asian tribe that came and conquered in 8-9 century).
that is your stupid logic applied to modern bulgarians.
angomako 2 years ago
Macedonian culture is a part of Greek one. It is not a separate culture, it is not a separate history. There are not Greeks and Macedonians. Macedonia, Thrace, Ionia, Thessaly, Crete, Peloponnese etc are pieces of Greek culture.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
There is only one way for somebody to be Macedonian. He has to be Greek, to speak Greek, to have Greek ethics. So simple, everything else is wrong and unacceptable.
People of FYROM have nothing common with Greeks, not even a word.
Neo Greek language has roots in ancient greek language and survived under Othoman slavery for 500 years. We were not kings, we were slaves but we kept our language for centuries
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
unacceptable to whom
to trapesaios? woohuu, i am scared.
there are 2 million people calling them selves ethnic macedonians, and apparently UN has nothing against (check the UN web page and you will find macedonian language, it is also supported by the EU board for minority languages).
"you" who kept the greek language
angomako 2 years ago
there are many bulgarians who are also "Macedonians", with bulgarian ethnic-national identification.
we are not with greek nor bulgarian ethno identification-we are simply ethnic slavophone macedonians.
it makes perfect sense in my world and in the eyes of the world , who doesn't have any issues with us.
the only one who have issues are ones like you, who buy into "pure exclusive" ancient nation bullshit and use ancient history like a carrot for a stick towards the way of ethnic assimilation.
angomako 2 years ago
You are just slavophone SOMETHING. Try to find what is your something and don't bother us. The only truth is that you are not Macedonians and your language isn't Macedonian because Macedonian and Greek language are the same. Keep believing your myth and you'll stay out of E.U. and NATO. You can have us as your friends or us your enemies? The choice is yours.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
pih, i'm scared:) this is exactly the thinking that greece will be remebered by in the history.
we are not "slavophone something", we are ethnic macedonians, who by the way, are in the usa immigration chart in the begining of the 20th century before aegean macedonia even became part of greece.
the truth is: we are ethnic macedonians and that will not change.
make sure and absolutely sure of one thing:
we will never ever give up on our language and ethnicity ever.
so, get used to it.
angomako 2 years ago
My nephew also believe in Santa Claus. That is good for him, it makes him feel better, but we both know that is a myth. Myth is also your nation. I'm sorry, I know that this hurts, I know that you have been grown up by this myth, but we can't give to you our name as a gift just because of humanism. No matter what USA and G.Soros say, we have the key for your future.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
@Trapezountaios , you don't even have the key for your own future, being such a poor excuse of an Eu country always backed up financialy by the rich.
Soros you say?
How bout Germany ,a and Britain a,d USA etc etc?
Without any intyernational help, you would be still the poorest country in Europe, corruption and lies is all the mythology you've grown up.
My nation is not more mythical then yours.
Santa Claus is not officialy reckognised by UN as a "real" entity, Macedonians are.
past tense
angomako 2 years ago
also, you cannot "give " me anything that you cannot give.
my ethnic idetity is not something that you, or any neo-greek could ever possibly grant it to me.
i already have it, and the whole world knows it.
again, check in the UN chart of world languages and ethnic groups.
and educate ur self on some basic sociology.
as for ur nephew, good for him to beleive in santa claus.
has to do with soros too eh?
originaly it was simply St. Nicolas...darn Soros :)
angomako 2 years ago
Can your strong friends help you to get into NATO and E.U. ?
just wondering!!!
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
Macedonians are very specific that EU and NATO are priorities, but by far, they are not even closely worth the identity-which is priceless to us.
If our identity is at stake for joining EU or NATO, then no Macedonian would be willing to get in.
It's not the end of the world, countries have prospered economicaly even if not parts of those aliances.
That hasn't been the case for Greece-whose economy is compared to a "black hole" swalowing endlesly european funds.
angomako 2 years ago
Keep dreaming my friend. Our country is in 30 richest countries of the world. What about yours? Don't you know that your country economy depends of ours?
You have long way to go before you can criticize our county. We are on 21st and you are on 19th century. Keep dreaming.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
If somebody is dreaming, that is certainly you-expecting that 2million people will somehow "change" their identity because of his "emotions" on the topic.
the reality of ethnic Macedonians is in the UN and pretty much EU.
so, who is dreaming?
angomako 2 years ago
I am tired, i can not convince you that 1+1=2. Until you can realize that, the European start will remain 27.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
check your basic sociology before talking math.
amd also check the facts that Macedonhian language and Macedonian ethnos exists in thge UN and pretty much Greece (as evidenced by the UN commisioner for minority rights last year).
have a nice nap.
As for EU-again, read bellow.
We're not trampling EU for our idenity-never ever.
Put that in your (supposedly ancient) greek head.
And by the way, go talk to some slavophone ntopia in the Western Macedonia when ur time allows it.
angomako 2 years ago
I suppose that you are talking about your ethnic SOMETHING. Don't talk to me about Slav Macedonians, I don't believe myths and I'm gonna throw up. You better change the emblem of you flag into "0" or into "UNKNOWN" .
Know your self (Greek proverb)
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
it is neo-greeks that should follow the proverbs that they presume belong excflusively to them.
you better "know ur self" cause i know my self well.
Get to know your prosfiga grandfather, your slavonic macedonian grandmother , your vlach uncle and your albanian aunt, then come and say to me "know ur slef", you mythologicaly-for-imperial-purposes-bred-neo-greek.
Ethnic Macedonians exist in UN-as for in ur head, NOBODY CARES.
angomako 2 years ago
The first time that you made the right usage of the word "Macedonia". Congratulations, you learned something.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
it is western macedonia-of the aegean region of macedonia which is now greece.
rep. of macedonia is in the north part of the region, and that was so in the greek geography books until 1980ties.
in other words, until then, rep. of macedonia was macedonia in greek school books :)
you remember sayings from 2500years ago, but forget recent stuff.
interesting stock you people are.
angomako 2 years ago
You think that you just said something smart and clever but you just said a xxxxxxx . I am sorry about you because your historical knowledge is sooooooo poor. I am really sorry about you. You will never learn the truth. What a pity!!!
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
pitty ur self wana-be-ancient-neo-greek!
before you try to deconstruct my idenitty, start with yours, there is plenty of work to do there prosfiga.
angomako 2 years ago
That is your problem. I know exactly my identity. I have never been a communism victim. My education is based on the truth and not on Tito's stories. Look, I don't hate you, I just feel sorry for your blindness. Try to learn and not to teach. You don't have the qualifications to teach us history.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
saying what you're saying, means that you don't know your identity and how it was constructed.
if you feel threatened by someoneelses identity, then you are quite unsure of ur own.
it's quite freudian, this whole issue you guys have with us.
you're all afraid of your latent non-greekens so you hold for some exlusivist megalomaniac history like blinds for a stick.
the abyss is deep on the other side eh?
you have zero qualifications ur self to teach me or any ethnic macedonian about history.
angomako 2 years ago
feel sorry for urt own blindness, the way you speak is very black-white, a first sign of being brainwashed and clueless of reality.
have a good time in lala land:)
angomako 2 years ago
This is my last message, I cannot spent all of my time to make you see. I am not Jesus Christ. We have nothing to afraid of you, just we have the unluckiness to have blind neighbors. You are a problem for unionizing Europe. That's our problem, we are losing time. That's the US game against E.U. Find your "something" to go to the next step you, us and all Europe. As long as you'll be problem, US rubbing her hands. Can't you see that? Except if you feel more Americans than Europeans.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
riiiiight...it is US against Europe..lol
your analytical skills are quite outstanding.
Europe is about human rights and respecting one's inalienable right of self-determination.
if ur macedobian it is not an ethnic deffinition for you-it is regional.
for me it is an ethnic one, and noone disputes that EXEPT NEO-GREEKS.
noone has problems EXEPT YOU.
CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
the only one's who are blocking somnething, and blocking EU from uniting-is you guys.
Can't YOU see that?
angomako 2 years ago
you have been very lucky to be the spoiled brat of Europe and USA, and had no problems with us as neighbours.
the only ones who had problems are us-with such neighbours as you.
again-dream your dream that we will magicaly vanish from existance, and good luck with re-educating 2million ETHNIC MACEDONIANS.
angomako 2 years ago
As I said, I am not Jesus Christ. We will continue our way and you remain outside of these organizations.
From the bottom of my heart good luck at your journey to 3rd world.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
its Christmas, and you certainly have nothing to do with God and His love.
Thank you for the "kind wishes", i don't wish any of that upon you or any greek.
The justice will prevail, and we will endure, be very very assured of that!
I am not concerned at all, and honestly, the only one pittiful are such as your self-who wish bad upon their neighbours and play godfathers to weddings they haven't been invited on.
Cheers
angomako 2 years ago
We don't wish your distortion. Just don't steal our name. This is justice. You want justice? Prove it.
You just have to know that even if God, Allah, Buddha, the all universe, USA, Germany, S.Arabia etc. recognize you as Macedonians, the last word is ours.
And we say that Macedonia is Greece and Macedonian language is Greek.. Anything else is a lie.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
last words are not yours, my little pathetic arogant neighbour.
last words belong to USA, China, Russia, India, and the rest of the powers.
]Wana know what they think on the matter, including other 124 countries?
Basicaly 3/4 of the world population?
And by the way, nobody steals anything, that is just the radical nationalism you've been bred with.
In greek geography school books this country was Makedonia until 1980. Check it out!
angomako 2 years ago
Finaly and again, let it sink slowely, so I'll just keep repeating it back and forth-we, ethnic Macedonians will not go anywhere if the price fir that is our identity.
We're not trampling our sacred idetity for EU or NATO (nor there is a reason for that, because it is reckognised in both these institutions, besides any objections of Greece-check it ur self).
So, let's keep repeating our "red lines" back and forth, shall we?
angomako 2 years ago
It is funny that one could even dare to think, and lose his sleep over how someone identifies with...
the disgrace of europe that they won't allow to continue for ever, trust me.
It will get settled-prob "North Macedonia (which it already is) while we'll just remain ethic Macedonians (aka Macedonians as regional identity in Greece or Bulgaria) like it already is.
Now we're probably talking about the range of the usage of the name.
We ain't gona change the constitution either, so yah...
angomako 2 years ago
My friend, Ι'm not 6 years old, i was in Greek schools in 1980 and in geography books was written that Macedonia was in Greece and your country was a part of Yugoslavia. Because thats what you are Slavs and fake Macedonians. Read this word and put it in your mind: FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE. Comprender?
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
if u were in greek schools in that time, open a geography book from that time and see what is the name of the southermost country within federation of yugoslavia at that time.
there is clip on youtube about that showing greek geography book from that time.
do you wana see it?
angomako 2 years ago
Country in a country? You make me laugh. The country name was Yugoslavia.
I don't care if you call your house Thespian house, or your toilet Thracian toilet. You can call your toilet us you like. But not your country, except if your country is a toilet which is probably is.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
i don't know what is funny here.
is ur knowledge that limuted?
f e d e r a t i o n is the word, hello???
you call ur country anyway you wish, if ur so obsessed with "skopje", call it "skopje", it's non of my busines.
How i call my self and my country, its non or ur business either.
124 countrie,including usa and china,russia, india etc...think the same.
angomako 2 years ago
@Trapezountaios , here is alonk from greek books and shcoolbook for geography before 1980ies...
As you can see, Macedonia is Makedonia.
this means, that you (or neo-greeks in general) are either lying, or are ignorant, which are equaly bad.
watch?v=tfhi3tnIs0o
ps
this must have been written by soros too lol
angomako 2 years ago
if you just had the brain to read Greek, you could see that in the book is written that "Yugoslavia is a federation of Bosnia, Serbia, ...Macedonia..." Thats why your name is FYROM. We are not liers like you. Tito named this part as Macedonian. He named his toilet as Macedonia. Now Tito gone and you want a toilet to become a country. The answer is NO.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
@Trapezountaios, do you have any idea what "federation" means?
It is a state made up of other states, like USA-made of many other american states.
That was Yugoslavia-within Yugoslavia, three languages were official-Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian and Macedonian.
So that is what writes in the book-and it didn;t menation it has any problems with the name.
also, the geography book has no problem naming the country as it is Makedonia.
angomako 2 years ago
do you want links where greeks documents mention "Macedonians" and "Macedonian language" within greece long before Tito?
angomako 2 years ago
In USA there are cities named as Athens, Sparta, Phoenix, Thebes etc. No problem with that. But if USA rename themselves to Greeks the we'll have problem.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
There is also city of Macedonia in USA.
People living there are also Macedonians-AS A REGIONAL IDENTITY-NOT ETHNIC OR NATIONAL.
Our Macedonian identity (whicjh nobody gives a fuck what greeks think about it,that is why it is internationaly reckognised), is different then any Greek's regional idenity.
end of story.
Also, nobody Macedonian or american calls them selves "Greeks" anyway, so you don't have any problems...you just have to invent them to "protect" ur false sense of "ancientness".
angomako 2 years ago
Look it's simple, we will never recognize you as Macedonians because you aren't.
Be happy, we are just a minority of the world. The point is that our minority is enough to keep you out of EU and NATO. This means that if Albania attack you, we won't be your allies.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
lol lol lol...
neo-greeks our alies?
with friends as you guys, we need no enemies.
look:
Albania won't "attack" us, even if Albanians fight to separate, MACEDONIA will be what?
20% smaller (that's how much of the teritory they inhabit)?
Makedonia will still be there, just more homogenous and stable.
Second: NATO has its own interests, and Macedonia is in this agenda-don't fool ur self that you could stand in USA's path for too long-either way,it's safe.
as for you "defending us"...lol
angomako 2 years ago
Macedonia is a huge territory from Epirus to India and from Skopje to Egypt. Shall Egyptians rename them selves to Macedonians?
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
i dont know, shall they?
there are people in Pakistan even that are considering them selves as descendants of Alexander's the Great armies,. True or not-that is their ethnic story (or mythology0 and they have all the right to think of them selves as they see fit.
Just like you modern Greeks have the right to fantasize about some supposed "ancientnes", that is ur mythology.
As for us-we were calling our selves Macedonians for centuries, including documents written in Greek.
angomako 2 years ago
Your "SOMETHING" nation is 2 small 2 criticize ours. We are Hellenes since the begging of History. If you don't like this, no problem we won't cry.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
you are free to believe about ur self whatever you wish, nobody cares.
why should i care?
as for my "something" nation, it is reckognised by the whole world-who cares what you guys think?it is ur insecurities-to look for enemies, paranoya everywhere, that drives you to these sites and trying to prove to others your way of seeing things-because some other way of seeing things is seen as endangering for it.
you are soo scared and insecure people.
and we'll always be there next to you.
life!
angomako 2 years ago
Another mistake. We don't afraid you. Our soldiers cad defeat you even with them shits.
It is not matter of safety, is matter of our history and we will ever give even a small piece of our history.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
it is not urs to give anything.
that is what the whole world knows and nobody gives a shith what you are imagining to "give or not give".
the fear is in other things-modern greece has used ancient history to homogenise its diverse multhy-ethnic populations-orthodox albanian,vlach,slavonic macedonia, arab, turkophone, etc...
Having a country of Macedonians who see history of Macedonia as thir own and have historical affinity to the Macedonian mythology, endangers this project longterm.
angomako 2 years ago
If you don't give a shit of our opinion then why do you make these videos? You have convinced all the world for you lie. Leave us to believe what we want to believe and live with the world's recognition. We are just a minority. Why do you want to convince us?
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
nobody wants to convince you at anything.
the people who made these videos are greek citizens, go deal with them as you know the best-by putting them in jails and intimidating them.
there are hundreds of thousands of slavophone Macedonians in Greece, and the fear of Greece and one of the main reasons of why it started this "historical" sharade is the fear, that these painstakingly assimilated and hellenised populations will reidenitify with ethnic Makedonians like they did during the civil war
angomako 2 years ago
LoL You are Communism addicted my friend, wake up. You see jails everywhere. LoL
Nobody is in jail in Greece except criminals.
You also just mentioned slavophones because thats what you are...SLAVOPHONES.
You don't use Macedonia language because Macedonian language is Greek language. End of story.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
if ur story ends there, you will miss much of the real stuff.
yes, we are slavophones, that is correct.
slavophone Macedonians.
there are thousands pf people in macedonia that come from greece-refugees, ofcourse,never alowed to go back, lands confiscated,like turks did to you, probably worse,because there was at least some exchange in that case.
as for using Makedonia and Makedonian language-oh, we use it, and the whole world knows about it :)
half of our diaspora is aegean makedonians.
angomako 2 years ago
I talked you, I am not Jesus and I am sure not brain doctor. I can't fix paranoia. So I can't convince you maybe because you don't want to, but what I'm saying is we will never allow you to become our NATO or EU partner with your paranoiac name. Thats for sure. So keep your paranoia and also keep dreaming
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
if anyone is dreaming, is the one that doesnt see the current reality of things, and what the whole world sees and reckognises.
so keep trapling the reality for some imagined "ancient greatness and megalomania", and let's see how far will you able to take it.
only time will tell, and so far it kept saying only one thing-ethnic macedonians, macedonian language and macedonian state.
you think the future will be any different?
as for nato and eu-we shall see, and again, the identity is more imp
angomako 2 years ago
EVEN IF WE MUST DIE WE WILL DO IT TO PROTECT OUR HISTORY.
You will NEVER been recognized from us because we can never reject our selfs. You won't allow a few paranoinan slavo-SOMETHINGS to steal our name.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
well you are also considered by manjy ethnic macedonians to be a bunch of orthodox turks, arabs, vlachs, slavs and albanians, posing as "ancient greeks".
so, if you do not reckognise us, it's really no big deal, it is kinda mutual.
as for the war, youi already loats, because macedonian is in thge EU and UN.
wether Macedonia will be "north Macedonia" it's not much of a big deal because IT IS North Macedonia.
It just means there is place in the south where there is more Macedonia.
angomako 2 years ago
as for "paranoyan". look at your words and how "you will fie", and i advise you, to go see a shrink, because you have a difficult mental disease.
you should cure it.
last time when someone was using such nationalistic absolutes and using history to "prove" how people have no right to this or that, was Hitler, and after him, Miloshevich.
keep it up and see where it will take you.
angomako 2 years ago
Why do you thing that we care of your opinion? You are history thieves. We don't care of your opinion. Nobody trusts a thief.
So, keep world's recognition for your self. We will NEVER recognize you and your language. This is our LAST world. Maybe you have found the hole (world's recognition) but we have the key. So keep believing that you speak Macedonian language but everyone with a little brain can see that Macedonian language is Greek language. I cannot put brain at your head.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
i don't think you care of my oppinion, that was not my point.
my point was, that NOBODY cares about your oppinion, and everybody agrees to our oppinion.
go ahead now and tell me again, that "you hold the key"...lol
angomako 2 years ago
We hold the key. So keep singing your lies.
YOU WILL NEVER BE EUROPEANS.
Your pseudo nation's destiny is to be the toilet. The toilet of Yugoslavia, the toilet of E.U. And you know what is in a toilet.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago
lol
you don't hold any key, esspecialy to the fact that i exist, as well as 2million ethnic macedonians.
and we already are europeians.
you mean that swiss are not "europeians" according to ur logic?
the fact that we exist is reckognised by the world, and what you think, is orrelevant to all.
keep being "important" to ur self.
and don't hold your breath, we'll continue to exist and we'll get to EU sooner or later.
what did say again, about some key? :)
angomako 2 years ago
The book also says that in your territory is a town named Monastery which is Greek. Just in case you haven't notice that.
Trapezountaios 2 years ago