Quite silly. The income is of course taxes, and to those who say it doesnt work, I ask you to look at Sweden, Norway and Denmark, and then look at USA, and give your political view a little challenge.
@louthegiantcookie Sounds a great introduction to the most hated person in Britain today. A person whom when he dies there will be cheers across the land because the worthless tosser will be no more.
13 years of new labour summed up in under 90 seconds (minus the Iraq war). Brilliant. Could you find the "demon eyes" clips while John Smith was still alive?
@Emrald70 he also did a lot to shut down our manufacturing base and flood the country with cheap immigrant labour, forcing brits out of work. he is scum and the worst thing to ever happen to this country, he should imo be put on trial for treason.
@hogalog He didn't actually - the manufacturing moved away to the Far East because they work for cheaper and better than we do.
I'd much rather have a much more reliable and cheaper Japanese-built TV or car than a more expensive and unreliable one from Britain! When Bush Television were still British before the 1980s, there was a *very* good reason why they were known as Burning Bushes!
And immigrants were willing to work cheaper and harder than us - not their fault if we don't compete, is it?
@AidanLunn thats precisely why immigration shouldve been controlled.... and the most reliable cars on the roads at the minute in britain are nissans (where in japan is sunderland?) and toyotas (where in japan is derby?) .... manufacturing is picking up now but the staff are all over about 25 or 26, why? kids leave school and they are either thick as fuck and unemployable or they all wanna work "in the media" or be a lawyer or a fine art expert. nice one new labour.
@hogalog the cars are assembled in Britain- not actually *built* as in the parts are made here - which they aren't. They're made in another country and then shipped here to be put together. Anyway they're put together by robots, so immigration or no immigration won't affect them one tiny jot.
Uneducated people like you who don't even realise that a similar problem existed in state schools under Thatcher and Major? Uneducated people like you who can barely type properly?
@AidanLunn i worked at nissan you plank. so me and the other 5000 staff there do nowt coz the robots do it all? (robots put the body shells together and thats it.) what about the 20,000 or so workers in the north east that make parts and sub assemblies? if you buy a qashqai or a juke, about 80% of it was built in the uk and it was fully assembled by uk staff. ooh check you out "uneducated". last refuge of somebody whose beaten - insults.
@hogalog So does my uncle- he still works there, and I'd much rather trust his word compare with the ramblings of an illiterate ignorant moron like you.If I'm wrong (which I rarely am) then I hold my hands up and admit I may be wrong - but that doesn't stop the fact that it took a Japanese company to be able to build cars in Britain, whether assembled or from scratch.. So it's still the Japanese taking credit for it.
Look what happened to all but top-end British car manufacturers, especially BL
@AidanLunn lol ok so, 5000 men there do nowt coz the robots do all the work.... and the 20,000 supply chain workers throughout the uk (not just the north east) do nowt either coz everything is made in japan.... and youre calling me an ignorant moron? and vauxhall is britains biggest car manufacturer actually, they aint japanese and never have been. and BL went down the shitter because of the union, nothing more.
@hogalog and because of its reputation for rubbish cars. The Rover 2300 (SD1) used to be longer on one side than on the other, because of the build quality.
BL had the ideas - many features on cars now were innovations of theirs, but the build quality was just rubbish.
But I think Pye got a similar reputation because of similar problems- and it was bought outright by Philips in 1976.
I called you an ignorant moron because you called me a plank. You insult me, I'll insult you.
@AidanLunn thats bollocks from top gear, but build quality was indeed shit. because people couldnt be arsed to do the job right - they used to get "friday night cars" where they all just dropped everything and buggered off part way through a job, then when they fired the line up again on the monday cars went down the line with parts missing, some often used to turn up back at the dealers with an "odd rattle" and the mechanics would find a coke can stuffed into a void in the bodywork etc.
@hogalog I er that's the same of American cars as well from the same period, circa late 1970s.
I can't remember where I heard about BL's innovation but it certainly wasn't from Top Gear (well not the current version of it anyway) as I hate the current version of it - James is the only one who is at least half-normal!
@AidanLunn clarkson said it on the british leyland challenge one. and i agree re: james may. the other 2 are divvies. and here in county durham, manufaturing is booming. the factories cant even get enough decent staff at the minute and its only going to get better as nissan keep expanding and the hitachi railway works starts producing. our economy is flatlining because 1) our construction industry is fucked and 2) uncertainty in the eurozone (bliar and brown wouldve had us in the euro. lucky es
@AidanLunn cape!) manufacturing however is beginning to flourish, eventually it will lead a strong economy - hopefully people dont vote labour back in and screw it all up.
@hogalog Actually Blair and Brown decided themselves not to enter the Euro around 1999/2000.
Personally I prefer to stay politicly impartial Both parties have played their hand in the destruction and subsequent revival in British manufacturing.
@AidanLunn i disagree entirely - the tories did away with the failing nationalised industries, which provided employment for hundreds of thousands (im from sunderland for crying out loud, all the coal mines and shipyards we used to have all gone now) but then labour destroyed profit making private enterprises.... i know which is a bigger sin and thusly i vote for the best of a bad bunch - note: labour cant even get their party finances under control, let alone the economy of a major nation!
@AidanLunn im still all for gibetting and the tyburn tree myself. if some scumbag from a council estate commits some crime, the sight of his rotting corpse hanging from a lamppost on said estate might put other scumbags off the idea. im a hard liner when it comes to crime.
@hogalog Personally I'd not state what I'd do to some people on a public forum but I'd just say ii would involve a table, rope and two teams of dray-horses.
And if working in those fields is what other people want to do, then let them, what have their lives got to do with you?
And you can work in the media and be technical - I am training to become a broadcast engineer, training to service broadcast TV cameras, HD DigiBeta VCRs and Klystron valve transmitters.
@AidanLunn aye and thats a good field coz all engineering fields are short staffed at the moment. but fine art expert, journalist? 95% of kids starting those courses at uni will end up on the checkouts in tesco, fact, like it or not. they are best off not wasting their time/money and just going straight out to work. i left school at 16 and went to work, im now 27 and i can safely say i earn more than the vast majority of uni grads my age, simply through hard graft and climbing the ladder.
@hogalog Well if they want to do those courses and get into debt and work in a shopping mall for the rest of their life, then let them. It's their problem.
@AidanLunn but this country needs grafters, hard workers. those twats will be the first to complain that they cant get a job because "the poles" have taken them all, when in reality they just wont "lower" themselves to do a factory job. its the way people have been educated, once upon a time the best and brightest went to grammar school and uni (for free) and then the best of the comp school lot went to trade. the rest just got jobs. they were never deluded about what they can and cant do.
@AidanLunn im still waiting for this breakdown, which parts of a nissan juke are made in japan and shipped here for assembley? (some are, yes. but nowhere near as many as you think.) ........ oh and seeing as your uncle works there, perhaps you could tell me what the 5000 men working there do, seeing as the robots do all the work?
@AidanLunn then i will tell you.... in 1986 when it opened, it did assemble kits made in japan. as time has gone on it has started doing more and more itself, and more and more of the parts are made in the uk and the percentages are changing in favour of the uk as time goes on. now, about 20% of the parts come from overseas be that little switches and bits of plastic trim made in poland, electronics from japan, engines and bits and bobs from renault in france.
@hogalog Good. I would like to see Britain become manufacturing powerhouse again, with its own manufacturers, such as Pye, Deccacolur, Triumph, etc. But until British manufacturers learn from the Japs and Germans etc, I don't see that happening. Having foreign investment is all fine and well but where are all the big British-owned manufacturers?
I mean look what happened to BL when Thatcher privatised it - it couldn't resolve its problems, it fell apart and it collapsed little bit by bit.
@AidanLunn bl collapsed because it was rotten to the core and the union wouldnt let them correct it - there was a guy whose job it was to balance the v8 engines, he turned up every day, on time, he was even good at the job.... he just couldnt be arsed to do it, so he didnt. hed sit and read the paper etc. every time they dragged him into the office to be fired, the union threatened to have everybody out on strike until he was re-instated. thats just an example!
one of the reasons why I say this, he fecked up gun laws... they were fine as they were... but noooo, just because the police fucked up and didn't stop the masacares even though there had been PRIOR warning of it going to happen... he decided to ban a majority of weaponry to law abiding citizens... crooks can still get them because they dotn go by laws! Only today (31/3/11) a 5 year old girl was shot by a gang in london. well done blair, you fucked up. rant over. :)
@TaxMohnas They are supposed to be horrifying. It's called satire.
have you not seen political, satirical cartoons in newspapers? The drawings of the politicians and celebrities in those is rather creepy. They're puppets with newspaper cartoon-style design to look like the people that the puppets are mocking.
@AidanLunn okay, satire is not conventionally horrifying. sure, some can be (1984) but some isn't. ever seen the daily show? satire. ever been scared by the daily show? no. dumbass.
@TaxMohnas You get nowhere by calling people a "dumbass". It takes a dumbass to know a dumbass. You call me dumbass yet you're the one who keeps on making spelling a grammar mistakes. Oooooh, it's so difficult to resist ripping you to pieces because of that contradictory statement from you.
I've never seen that show as I live in the UK so I won't get the jokes
By the puppets looking horrifying, I meant that the puppets looking horrifying is a satire on what that person looks like in real life.
@TaxMohnas Yes, satire, caricature, they're very similar things here in Britain. So similar that they're virtually the same. Caricature - satire on what a person looks like. You weren't really adding anything to the point when caricature means exactly what I was saying.
That was a fault with my keyboard :/
I will not take lectures on spelling and grammar from a person from a nation that doesn't know how to spell "colour". "Dumbass" is "dumbarse".
i wish spitting image would tell me next weeks lottery numbers. my dad was a working man, from a long line of coal miners actually, and he always despised "bliar". if only everybody saw through him in 1997!
@hogalog After 18 years of Tory government, 7 of which were run clumsily by a man with all the charisma of a broken air conditioner, whose party ran amok like a group of hyperactive 3 year-olds, I think people were prepared to vote in a dead, stuffed monkey at the 1997 polls.
At least it would be more charismatic than Mr Major!
@AidanLunn thats probably true - and in reality we probably needed labour in at the time. however they were in a term to long. bliar shouldve fucked off at the end of term 2, then the tories wouldve gotten in 5 years earlier and the recession wouldnt have hit us anywhere near as hard. although even then, the stuff bliar did would still have been storing up problems for us. human rights act, open door immigration, iraq war etc.
@hogalog Well at the 2005 polls, I'd much rather have had Tony Blair than Michael Howard or Charles Kennedy! Even if he did have many people's blood on his hands.
@hogalog Thats absolute nonsense, the recession was triggered by corruption in the financial sectors of many nations. This was made easier by little to no financial regulation, something the Conservatives have supported since the 1970's.
@CommissarRed aye but we could have weathered it a lot better if they had been more prudent.....for every 40p they spent, they were borrowing a quid. the banks may have caused the recession but that was 3 fucking years ago and theyve already paid back what the government lent them - however we still owe hundreds of billions and that debt is STILL growing as the current government fight to get it under control. (btw, in the 70s, reckless labour spending meant we needed an IMF bailout)
@hogalog "weathered it a lot better if they had been more prudent."How by creating conditions for any even worse recession or have you forgotten the Tories constant pushes for deregulation in those years? "but that was 3 fucking years ago" Yeah and its still toppling businesses and governments to day.
"theyve already paid back what the government lent them " Then why are they still part owned by the tax payer and reliant on state funds to keep themselves a float?
@CommissarRed aye but look at germany - booming. why arent we? labour were bankrupting small businesses through taxation even before the recession. and "the banks" arent reliant on government money. ONE of them is, and that bank is from a labour heartland.... eventually the government will be able to sell those shares off and make billions, its the one good thing bliar/brown did.
@hogalog "businesses through taxation" Germany has higher tax rates then we do. "nd that bank is from a labour heartland" Really so RBS, Lloyds, Barclays etc. haven't received any tax money or sold shares to the gov't? Last time I checked large percentages of all of them were sold to the government to head off there collapse.
@CommissarRed nope, northern rock (north east) hbos (which the govt forced lloyds to buy, dragging them down aswell) and rbs........ lloyds and rbs are now fine, northern rock is still fucked. barclays NEVER got a penny from the government and never asked. germany also has many more incentives for businesses and it also has willing workers, we have a generation of blairs children who aint got a hard days work in them.
@CommissarRed and just for the record, im no blue blood tory (im from the north east after all) but labour go to far. there has to be a middle ground between socialism and capitalism..... good socialism perhaps?? either way i vote tory simply because labour arent fit to run the country and they never really have been since the 50s..... they also rely on outdated class war to win elections.
@hogalog No mate for the record your just a fool, you know little about history,politics or economics. Go ahead vote Tory you won't get what you want but you will get what you deserve one way or another. Just ask my friends in Dublin how great there Austerity budget(s) turned out. For the record Germany and China have turned around both spending and taxing far more then Labour ever did but you enjoy your half baked economics
@CommissarRed ireland has even less money than us, thats why they have such tough austerity measures. i vote tory because - i save/invest my money and i work for a private company. why vote labour? all the union scaremongering about charging us for healthcare etc doesnt wash with me. note #1, china is coining it coz it spends nowt. note #2 germany has a huge industry base that we cannot compete with thanks to the unions and their pals in the labour party.
@hogalog Wow almost everything you said is false impressive. Ireland has had numerous austerity budgets each one leaving it with LESS money then it had before, if Osborne is to be believed the opposite should happen. China spends nothing? your an idiot, China spends more on its economy and infrastructure then any other country try again. But yes Germany does have an industrial base congratulations, but they also have a strong Union movement and labour like party (SDP) try again on that one.
@CommissarRed aye but china is the biggest nation in the world also. its also a rather brutal communist country where the vast majority of the people earn a subsistence wage...... and germanies unions arent led by cunts like we have, for example when was the last time a german union pulled its guys out on strike because the pies in the canteen were cold, or because one of the bosses asked the time from somebody who wasnt the official timekeeper?!
@hogalog "ye but china is the biggest nation in the world also." Thats not an economic argument, Russia, Brazil, India are also bigger then we are and yet there economies are not in correlation with there size. "cunts like we have" Funny your the only cunt I see. "official timekeeper?" when was the last time that happened here?
@CommissarRed those were just 2 examples of the unions being mongs in the 70s. how about another, the bloke who balanced the engines at rover was failing miserably.... not coz he couldnt do it, but he couldnt be arsed to do it properly. rover (well, BL) wanted to fire him but couldnt coz the union would have them all out until he was reinstated. british car industry fucked.
@hogalog Oh in the 70's was it? so again why haven't become a new industrial giant then? after all we have weaker unions and privatisation, according to you that should fix the problem and makes a new Germany.
@CommissarRed like i said we were 20 years behind germany back then..... weve since lost all the industries that wouldve kept us up there, thanks to union refusals to modernise.
just keep voting labour mate, look at ireland, thats what youll get eventually.
@CommissarRed aye the austerity measures. i mean, before that...... ireland was "booming" by spending loads of money it didnt have and encouraging its people to borrow money they couldnt afford, a bit like labour in britain actually....... only ireland has no major industry to speak of, because at the end of the day its the private sector that funds things like this. britain, well, england, does at least have a lot of light industry but eventually under labour, we would be fucked like ireland.
@hogalog Err no, he actually said we should follow Ireland back when it was still a "Celtic Tiger" economy. And as for spending money it didn't have, most of that especially construction was loans handed out by private banks who like ares had to be bailed to prevent a complete collapse of Irish finances.
@CommissarRed aye but like i said ireland has no major industry to fund it all. it was all based on a property boom..... we at least have that, but labour did its best to drive those companies overseas and if they stayed on in power we wouldve eventually ended up like ireland. you do know the labour government was borrowing 60p of every £1 it spent, BEFORE the recession? you need to take the blinkers off because you seem intelligient - dont humiliate yourself.
@hogalog "dont humiliate yourself." To late for you I'm afraid. Yeah I do know and I also know that was actually irrelevant because at no point was the country in danger of being "cut off" I also know that much of that spending was earmarked for Industrial rejuvenation projects which would of increased export and revenue to pay of that debt without sacrificing are infrastructure and populace, the very thing thats happening now across the nation.
@hogalog "(btw, in the 70s, reckless labour spending meant we needed an IMF bailout)" btw thats actually a lie. The economic situation in the 1970's affected ALL Western nations and was caused by Stagflation at the time a new economic phenomenon that took everyone by surprise, and the OPEC boycott creating long standing worries of oil access, driving up the costs of energy. Or was Wilson to blame for Nixon's budget too?
@CommissarRed again if labour hadnt spent the treasury dry and kept on caving into stupid union demands, we wouldve coped better. (also worth noting that despite record demand for coal, UKcoal PLC STILL cannot turn a profit.)
@hogalog Your insane, how on earth was the treasury sepnt on "union\" demands, I know you have no clue how economies work but you really are dense. How on earth would we've have "coped better" under a government with less regulation, less taxes, and less infrastructure spending? Because that worked out so well for Ireland and Greece didn't it.
@CommissarRed the unions destroyed our industry base (ffs check out the history of british leyland!) through refusals to modernise etc, knowing they were all nationalised and would be kept by the government. they didnt realise you still have to compete and make money! higher taxes put businesses off, they offered little incentive for them to start up or expand here, not to mention the social problems theyve created.
@hogalog So then why hasn't our industry returned? we have privatisation and harsher trade union laws. And what on earth does that fit in to your "labour bleed the treasury for the unies" given that the selling off are industries ocurred in the 80's and 90's before Labour got to power? oh thats right it doesn't your just scraping for any shred of evidence for your ill thought ramblings.
@CommissarRed do you know how much it costs and how difficult it is now to set up say a steelworks or a coal mine or a shipyard? not to mention that the skills have pretty much gone. the future is small business and light industry - which the tories are infinitely better at dealing with than labour.... but like i said, in reality i would sit on the fence between the 2. its not labours policies per se that i dont like, its the fact they are all corrupt, incompetent chancers.
@hogalog "not to mention that the skills have pretty much gone" yeah thanks to Conservative economic policies in the 1980's. "which the tories are infinitely better at dealing with than labour" Really? funny under Tory favoured Market policies small businesses are routinely broken up by large corporate monopolies, oh but I forget economics aren't your strong suit.
@CommissarRed no the tories refused, quite rightly, to keep subsidising out of date industries because we couldnt afford it. modernise, privatise, sink or swim..... you do know that as late as 1980 there were coal mines round here where guys were still working with davy lamps, pick axes and pit ponies?! whilst the germans and the aussie mines were all super modern, mechanical coal cutters, conveyors etc.....
@hogalog "no the tories refused, quite rightly, to keep subsidising out of date industries because we couldnt afford it." First it was a loan to private companies, that was green lit after all projections confirmed a guarantee of repayment plus interest. 2. It was for research in state of the art energy technology both Green and Nuclear in area's where there are gaps in the global market. You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.
@CommissarRed ukcoal cant even turn a profit now. with huge demand for coal..... the country was 20 years or more out of date when thatcher got into power thats why the axe was wielded, and after that labour had 13 years of power to give the country some direction. instead we blundered about, spent the money on nice new council homes for druggies and illegal immigrants, whilst letting in millions of poles to drive the wages down.
@hogalog No wages were driven down due to the weaken of regulations and Trade Unions, something you seem to be in favour off. It Market economics one oh one, "the best job at lowest cost", This is also something Osborne and friends are very keen on given there embracing of small government ideals in the 1980's.
@CommissarRed no they were driven down because a pole would take minimum wage whereas the equivalent brit would want a fair bit more..... a better solution wouldve been to force our benefit bums to do the jobs instead.
@hogalog No they were driven down because private employers "freed" from the tyranny of government regulation is willing to pay the poles minimum wage rather then hire local workers or base his decision simple on experince. That is a direct symptom of weakening economic regulation and trade unions. Again what the party you vote for embraces. "benefit bums to do the jobs instead." Funny how theres always a lot morr "bums" under Tory governments,
@CommissarRed no actually there was a massive labour shortage because the labour government had made being unemployed to easy. they then let the poles in to fill those gaps, that was the idea, but they let in far to many and they began undercutting. i should know, a company i worked for replaced natural wastage with poles on £4 less an hour than the rest of us. if there wasnt so many of them they wouldnt have undercut the wages to get the job.
@hogalog No actually unemployment was actually kept very low, actually go and look at the figures. Poles where let in because they joined the EU and like all members get freedom of travel to other members. They filled Labour gaps in areas where few had employment, funnily enough Labour also funded apprenticeships and vocational courses to fill those gaps in the long term.
@CommissarRed so you think throwing open our borders when we had an army of unskilled unemployed people capable of working, was a good thing? youre a lost cause mate. sorry.
@hogalog I never said it was, learn to read. I'm just calling you out for lying. Labour didn't "open up the borders" the borders were already open because where part of the EU which if I may remind you the Conservatives took us into.
@CommissarRed erm no, other eu countries (ie: germany, sweden, france...) they all put caps on the immigration, as we did with the romanians and bulgarians. oh dear youve fucked up there. the conservatives took us into the european common market.... they did not sign away our sovereignty like bliar and brown did..... bliar did it because he thought that in return he would become eu president.... but they saw through him for the snake he is.
@hogalog NO actually you fucked up, to open something requires it to be closed in the first place, Anyway the reason why caps were placed on the Poles? because there weren't enough trained to get there places. You seem to suffer under the delusion that anyone can pick up a spanner and become a manual labourer, you can't it takes training, This is why Labour spent and regulated Apprenticeships and vocational courses so that we could plug those shortages.
@CommissarRed actually i started out knowing nothing, i learned on the job, not as an apprentice, as a trainee. in bog standard factory work. what i am, is an unskilled worker. ive no problem with bringing skilled people in but there was no need to let all those UNSKILLED poles in who CANT EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH and labour themselves admit they fucked up, they shouldve been capped like the romanians are. like i said keep voting labour, hopefully they wont get back in, we will become another ireland.
@hogalog Oh dear, if those unskilled non English speaking Poles are so bad then surely its the fault of employers given them jobs because there cheaper thus creating an incentive to migrate, you know "market forces" private employers have the right to make any decision that they feel are in there economic interests, A belief championed by Gladstone, Friedman, Thatcher and Osborne among others.
@CommissarRed they all also had immigration capped (apart from osborne who has his hands tied by the lisbon treaty)..... youre really making a bollock of yourself there. and employers are running a business, take somebody on £7.50 an hour or the minimum wage? you take the minimum wage one, now if the poles hadnt been allowed in in such numbers, they wouldnt have had that choice. those "market forces" wouldve dictated a higher demand for labour, and thus higher wages.
@hogalog But hang on a minute that wouldn't be market forces dictating anything, that would be government intervening in the economy something that goes against the very ideology of the modern Conservative party. And as for Lisbon please, if he really hated then why not repeal it or have a referendum on it which the government is entitled to do.
@hogalog Also do you even know what the original Constitution of the EEC was? it planned for the eventual introduction of every other reform since then including HR act, Massthrict and the bulk of the Lisbon treaties. The Campaign against European Federalism based its campaign in opposition to this plan way back in the 1970's Yes/No referendum.
@CommissarRed no we signed up to the common market - a trade block. all the united states of europe bollocks wasnt even on the cards then, it only came about in the 90s after the ussr went down the shitter.
@hogalog No this is just another thing you know little about, Actually read the bloody agreements and charter of the EEC there on line now and in English.
@CommissarRed right ill ask you a very simple question, because you quite clearly are very simple...... in 2007 at the peak of the boom, labour were borrowing 60p for every 40p they made in tax right, thats sort of a ball park figure theres no need to go into the ins and outs.... you think that to get out of recession we should continue spending at that rate, even though the economy has shrank? so theyd be borrowing 70p for every 30p perhaps? you honestly think that would work?
@CommissarRed the tories are in and theres been more movement here in the north east in the space of 1 year than there was under the whole of the last governments 13 years. what does that tell you?
@CommissarRed yeah the tories know nowt..... since they got into power, middlesbrough steelworks has reopened, loads of small factories and warehouses are opening here as well as more long term projects (hitachi railway works, renewable energy industries etc). the whole area had been sinking under labour for years. its ok though, the local scumbags were getting more benefits and nicely renovated council houses.
@CommissarRed aye but we would still be going backwards under labour. (and a local report not long back pointed out that north east england has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, even if its only just a region)
@hogalog "are all corrupt, incompetent chancers." And the Tories aren't? now I know your pretty dim if you think that, Lord Ashcroft funding the party whilst refusing to declare his residency status to exploit tax loopholes? letting Vodaphone get out of paying taxes it owes despite record profits? cancelling loans to Forgemasters and other industries on a wim whilst undermining whats left of are manufacturing and research centres because there areas vote Labour. there all squeaky clean I'm sure
@CommissarRed if forgemasters could have made the money they claimed, they wouldve gotten it (in fact a bank wouldve lent them it)..... nissan didnt get any of its loans and sweeteners cancelled, plus boro steelworks and the hitachi plant etc (you do know the north east has labours safest seats?)
@hogalog Actually no bank would authorise loans that size because they were to busy pleading impending bankruptcy for government intervention, oh wait according to you thats just Norther rock silly me. Those projections were confirmed by numerous sources it was canned because it became a political scoring point in the run up to the elections.
@CommissarRed oh right so, how comes in the safest labour area in the country, middlesbrough steelworks, the hitachi railway works (and subsequent supply chain) both got the go ahead, nissan still got its loans and sweeteners for the new electric car..... why didnt they can all that? remember SAFEST labour seats, infact the sedgefield one where hitachi will be based, was bliars seat.
@CommissarRed +++ bliar. went to the most expensive school in the country. all he used his time in government for was to feather his and his wifes nest. human rights act - worst thing weve ever done, but its ok coz cherie is making millions out of it.
What you brave souls endured with this character, of course speaking from the states I have a peculiar vantage point. But this sketch was spot on and he was just as insufferable then.
@skeletorphd Swap labour party and unions for tories and liberals, and its still a sound argument. Everybody is feathering a nest, just that the tories only look at the top 10% of society. Who is getting let of tax? and who are being laid off?
I agree that the money wasn't there, too much too fast.
and if you class voluntary work to help people too apathetic to help themselves as feathering a nest, i dont know what to say.
Isnt this scary from this scetch comedy show, how right it was and how Labour comunist red party screwed the U.K and the world up over the last 13 years all I can sayis bye bye to bad rubbish like Labour.
ha ha perfect ....a perfect wanker
ukipwarrior 1 week ago
Short-lived. It was only on from 1977 to 1994. lol
lawsonrob 3 weeks ago
... except borrowing...
TheJinkedful 3 weeks ago
He's thinking about the Norwegian labour party :smug dance:
slitor 4 weeks ago in playlist Flere videoer fra AndrewJimScott
Tony Blair's Labour party to an absolute tee. Great clip!
TaintedSoulsTV 1 month ago
SPLENDID!
CKelaiditis 1 month ago
This really did seem to encapsulate the problem with the Blair premiership, and very deftly too!
JimTLonW6 2 months ago
Jesus christ this show will give you fucking nightmares!!
psiewert83 2 months ago
@psiewert83 Blair gives me nightmares.
195ashes 2 days ago
Quite silly. The income is of course taxes, and to those who say it doesnt work, I ask you to look at Sweden, Norway and Denmark, and then look at USA, and give your political view a little challenge.
gulbirk 2 months ago
this is what the labour party really is about....
Jonislol 2 months ago
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Tony Blair - the little shit who betrayed our troops and defecated on our proud nation.
A worthless, shameless, sneak-thief traitor.
louthegiantcookie 3 months ago 4
@louthegiantcookie Sounds a great introduction to the most hated person in Britain today. A person whom when he dies there will be cheers across the land because the worthless tosser will be no more.
Professor6871 2 months ago 3
@Professor6871 Take it he didn't help u much then
MrJami1993 2 months ago
Tony Blair, WAR CRIMINAL
frostyuk2007 3 months ago 3
@frostyuk2007 I totally agree with you.
MixedBag27 2 months ago
funny
zebra4593 3 months ago
Just about sums up Traitor Blair and the Labour party.
Kozzy06 3 months ago 2
This is painfully true, and he talking like that until the end. The UK needs Spitting Image back!
uksnootyfox 3 months ago 7
tony blair - why so serious?
rayblack2004 3 months ago
Brain? Or Brian even!
berlinmitte10117 4 months ago
....and now we know how it was paid for - we'll be paying for the next 30 years
IlRezzonico 4 months ago 5
wait...did REM quote Spitting Image, or the reverse?!
vlotusv 4 months ago 3
What a bloody liar
drjwthorne666 4 months ago
there should really make a new series of this, i want to see a puppet david cameron and clegg, and a miliband one would be hilarious
Cinimod237 4 months ago 4
@Cinimod237 I think a Cameron/Clegg puppet would have to be made in a similar fashion to David Owen/David Steel, only more brutal...
eclectica1 1 month ago
@eclectica1 i agree with you there mate
MrBb100000 3 weeks ago
13 years of new labour summed up in under 90 seconds (minus the Iraq war). Brilliant. Could you find the "demon eyes" clips while John Smith was still alive?
anthonydavisonguitar 5 months ago 7
This has been flagged as spam show
well we could start by looking down the sofa LOL
leemeires 7 months ago
Ha ha ha ha. Good likeness to the murdering jug-eared wanker.
Bellalodicci9 7 months ago 2
lol ''pay for it, how?''
Harryscarvlogs 7 months ago
Pretty funny, and absolutely worth it for the 101 uses for a Bjork at the end!
TheScriabin 7 months ago 2
It was like that for 10 years but now we know how he paid for it! we're finished finacially
MrOfferp 7 months ago
Too bad Blair was Bush's pet dog
TheLazarusnightwolf 9 months ago
@TheLazarusnightwolf he actually did so much for single mothers and people my social class in terms of living standards
if he just stood up to Bush we may not have bene stuck with Cameron today :P
Emrald70 9 months ago
@Emrald70 Cameron is the heir to BLair, you get another 5 years of nu liebour.
MrGilles1990 8 months ago
@Emrald70 he also did a lot to shut down our manufacturing base and flood the country with cheap immigrant labour, forcing brits out of work. he is scum and the worst thing to ever happen to this country, he should imo be put on trial for treason.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog He didn't actually - the manufacturing moved away to the Far East because they work for cheaper and better than we do.
I'd much rather have a much more reliable and cheaper Japanese-built TV or car than a more expensive and unreliable one from Britain! When Bush Television were still British before the 1980s, there was a *very* good reason why they were known as Burning Bushes!
And immigrants were willing to work cheaper and harder than us - not their fault if we don't compete, is it?
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn thats precisely why immigration shouldve been controlled.... and the most reliable cars on the roads at the minute in britain are nissans (where in japan is sunderland?) and toyotas (where in japan is derby?) .... manufacturing is picking up now but the staff are all over about 25 or 26, why? kids leave school and they are either thick as fuck and unemployable or they all wanna work "in the media" or be a lawyer or a fine art expert. nice one new labour.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog the cars are assembled in Britain- not actually *built* as in the parts are made here - which they aren't. They're made in another country and then shipped here to be put together. Anyway they're put together by robots, so immigration or no immigration won't affect them one tiny jot.
Uneducated people like you who don't even realise that a similar problem existed in state schools under Thatcher and Major? Uneducated people like you who can barely type properly?
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn i worked at nissan you plank. so me and the other 5000 staff there do nowt coz the robots do it all? (robots put the body shells together and thats it.) what about the 20,000 or so workers in the north east that make parts and sub assemblies? if you buy a qashqai or a juke, about 80% of it was built in the uk and it was fully assembled by uk staff. ooh check you out "uneducated". last refuge of somebody whose beaten - insults.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog So does my uncle- he still works there, and I'd much rather trust his word compare with the ramblings of an illiterate ignorant moron like you.If I'm wrong (which I rarely am) then I hold my hands up and admit I may be wrong - but that doesn't stop the fact that it took a Japanese company to be able to build cars in Britain, whether assembled or from scratch.. So it's still the Japanese taking credit for it.
Look what happened to all but top-end British car manufacturers, especially BL
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn lol ok so, 5000 men there do nowt coz the robots do all the work.... and the 20,000 supply chain workers throughout the uk (not just the north east) do nowt either coz everything is made in japan.... and youre calling me an ignorant moron? and vauxhall is britains biggest car manufacturer actually, they aint japanese and never have been. and BL went down the shitter because of the union, nothing more.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog and because of its reputation for rubbish cars. The Rover 2300 (SD1) used to be longer on one side than on the other, because of the build quality.
BL had the ideas - many features on cars now were innovations of theirs, but the build quality was just rubbish.
But I think Pye got a similar reputation because of similar problems- and it was bought outright by Philips in 1976.
I called you an ignorant moron because you called me a plank. You insult me, I'll insult you.
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn thats bollocks from top gear, but build quality was indeed shit. because people couldnt be arsed to do the job right - they used to get "friday night cars" where they all just dropped everything and buggered off part way through a job, then when they fired the line up again on the monday cars went down the line with parts missing, some often used to turn up back at the dealers with an "odd rattle" and the mechanics would find a coke can stuffed into a void in the bodywork etc.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog I er that's the same of American cars as well from the same period, circa late 1970s.
I can't remember where I heard about BL's innovation but it certainly wasn't from Top Gear (well not the current version of it anyway) as I hate the current version of it - James is the only one who is at least half-normal!
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn clarkson said it on the british leyland challenge one. and i agree re: james may. the other 2 are divvies. and here in county durham, manufaturing is booming. the factories cant even get enough decent staff at the minute and its only going to get better as nissan keep expanding and the hitachi railway works starts producing. our economy is flatlining because 1) our construction industry is fucked and 2) uncertainty in the eurozone (bliar and brown wouldve had us in the euro. lucky es
hogalog 8 months ago
@AidanLunn cape!) manufacturing however is beginning to flourish, eventually it will lead a strong economy - hopefully people dont vote labour back in and screw it all up.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog Actually Blair and Brown decided themselves not to enter the Euro around 1999/2000.
Personally I prefer to stay politicly impartial Both parties have played their hand in the destruction and subsequent revival in British manufacturing.
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn i disagree entirely - the tories did away with the failing nationalised industries, which provided employment for hundreds of thousands (im from sunderland for crying out loud, all the coal mines and shipyards we used to have all gone now) but then labour destroyed profit making private enterprises.... i know which is a bigger sin and thusly i vote for the best of a bad bunch - note: labour cant even get their party finances under control, let alone the economy of a major nation!
hogalog 8 months ago
@AidanLunn and they wanted us in the euro but to do that would require a vote in the commons which they couldnt win.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog ah yes, that's right, I remember now.
but didn't Ken Clarke want us to enter the Euro as well when he was Chancellor?
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn he did indeed, but hes an absolute plank (and to be honest i dont see why cameron has got him in the cabinet.)
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog Well I'd much rather have him in than Peter Walker!
But we'd need someone with a much more reactionary take on justice rather than Cuddly Clarke. Michael Howard might do the trick.
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn im still all for gibetting and the tyburn tree myself. if some scumbag from a council estate commits some crime, the sight of his rotting corpse hanging from a lamppost on said estate might put other scumbags off the idea. im a hard liner when it comes to crime.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog Personally I'd not state what I'd do to some people on a public forum but I'd just say ii would involve a table, rope and two teams of dray-horses.
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn Yes you are right..Ken Clarke is a Euro fanatic and would have took us into the Euro in a minute.
GRAHAM5020 6 months ago
@hogalog that wasn't an insult, more of a fact.
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn lets take a look at the nissan juke.... give me a break down, what parts are made in japan and then shipped here to be assembled?
hogalog 8 months ago
And if working in those fields is what other people want to do, then let them, what have their lives got to do with you?
And you can work in the media and be technical - I am training to become a broadcast engineer, training to service broadcast TV cameras, HD DigiBeta VCRs and Klystron valve transmitters.
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn aye and thats a good field coz all engineering fields are short staffed at the moment. but fine art expert, journalist? 95% of kids starting those courses at uni will end up on the checkouts in tesco, fact, like it or not. they are best off not wasting their time/money and just going straight out to work. i left school at 16 and went to work, im now 27 and i can safely say i earn more than the vast majority of uni grads my age, simply through hard graft and climbing the ladder.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog Well if they want to do those courses and get into debt and work in a shopping mall for the rest of their life, then let them. It's their problem.
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn but this country needs grafters, hard workers. those twats will be the first to complain that they cant get a job because "the poles" have taken them all, when in reality they just wont "lower" themselves to do a factory job. its the way people have been educated, once upon a time the best and brightest went to grammar school and uni (for free) and then the best of the comp school lot went to trade. the rest just got jobs. they were never deluded about what they can and cant do.
hogalog 8 months ago
@AidanLunn im still waiting for this breakdown, which parts of a nissan juke are made in japan and shipped here for assembley? (some are, yes. but nowhere near as many as you think.) ........ oh and seeing as your uncle works there, perhaps you could tell me what the 5000 men working there do, seeing as the robots do all the work?
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog I don't think I could - I haven't seen him for 6 years! so I doubt I'd be able to ask him anything more!
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn then i will tell you.... in 1986 when it opened, it did assemble kits made in japan. as time has gone on it has started doing more and more itself, and more and more of the parts are made in the uk and the percentages are changing in favour of the uk as time goes on. now, about 20% of the parts come from overseas be that little switches and bits of plastic trim made in poland, electronics from japan, engines and bits and bobs from renault in france.
hogalog 8 months ago
@hogalog Good. I would like to see Britain become manufacturing powerhouse again, with its own manufacturers, such as Pye, Deccacolur, Triumph, etc. But until British manufacturers learn from the Japs and Germans etc, I don't see that happening. Having foreign investment is all fine and well but where are all the big British-owned manufacturers?
I mean look what happened to BL when Thatcher privatised it - it couldn't resolve its problems, it fell apart and it collapsed little bit by bit.
AidanLunn 8 months ago
@AidanLunn bl collapsed because it was rotten to the core and the union wouldnt let them correct it - there was a guy whose job it was to balance the v8 engines, he turned up every day, on time, he was even good at the job.... he just couldnt be arsed to do it, so he didnt. hed sit and read the paper etc. every time they dragged him into the office to be fired, the union threatened to have everybody out on strike until he was re-instated. thats just an example!
hogalog 8 months ago
Blair sounds a bit like Bertie Ahern here
branie99 10 months ago 21
This is entirely true, something Blair completely failed to do..
johnfox3 10 months ago 53
It's so funny to the see the small puppet of Tony Blair sitting on the couch in the first 3 second of the sketch!
monstrouscarbuncle 10 months ago
We are paying for it now, that's how he'll pay for it :(
Uberdude25 10 months ago 2
How will you pay for it? The way TrashLabour always pays for it:
B O R R OW I N G = D E F E R R E D T A X A T I O N
And reduce the country to utter economic ruination in the process.
IlRezzonico 10 months ago 2
Blairs a cnut...
one of the reasons why I say this, he fecked up gun laws... they were fine as they were... but noooo, just because the police fucked up and didn't stop the masacares even though there had been PRIOR warning of it going to happen... he decided to ban a majority of weaponry to law abiding citizens... crooks can still get them because they dotn go by laws! Only today (31/3/11) a 5 year old girl was shot by a gang in london. well done blair, you fucked up. rant over. :)
BOT101st 11 months ago
@GAZBEROTTEN Well brown was a nice bloke but he was dealt a bad blow by the financial collapse.
I thought that Blair was a decent bloke until he became George Bush's puppet.
I think it's too soon into Cameron's time as PM to really judge him, though I really don't like him at all.
AidanLunn 11 months ago
LOL freaking funny:-D
What politicians do best is FlipFlopping
SuperAcab666 11 months ago
the labour party have a nice way to get elected.
spend all the countries money on welfar...
hand it over to the tories who cut everything.
win next election because everbody hates the tories.
Its the 5 year plan :)
dragonwar524 1 year ago
@dragonwar524 But which party made enough state dependants in the 1980s and 90s? ;)
AidanLunn 11 months ago
They summed it up. He was speaking like this long before he was in office
StephenFiorentini 1 year ago
goddammit why don't you people see that these puppets are HORRIFYING
TaxMohnas 1 year ago
@TaxMohnas They are supposed to be horrifying. It's called satire.
have you not seen political, satirical cartoons in newspapers? The drawings of the politicians and celebrities in those is rather creepy. They're puppets with newspaper cartoon-style design to look like the people that the puppets are mocking.
AidanLunn 11 months ago
@AidanLunn okay, satire is not conventionally horrifying. sure, some can be (1984) but some isn't. ever seen the daily show? satire. ever been scared by the daily show? no. dumbass.
TaxMohnas 10 months ago
@TaxMohnas You get nowhere by calling people a "dumbass". It takes a dumbass to know a dumbass. You call me dumbass yet you're the one who keeps on making spelling a grammar mistakes. Oooooh, it's so difficult to resist ripping you to pieces because of that contradictory statement from you.
I've never seen that show as I live in the UK so I won't get the jokes
By the puppets looking horrifying, I meant that the puppets looking horrifying is a satire on what that person looks like in real life.
AidanLunn 10 months ago
@AidanLunn that's actually called a caricature, but nice try. also, i challenge you to find one spelling mistake in my previous post.
furthermore, you wrote "spelling a grammar mistakes" just as you were criticizing my own (protip, there weren't any).
dumbass ;)
TaxMohnas 10 months ago
@TaxMohnas Yes, satire, caricature, they're very similar things here in Britain. So similar that they're virtually the same. Caricature - satire on what a person looks like. You weren't really adding anything to the point when caricature means exactly what I was saying.
That was a fault with my keyboard :/
I will not take lectures on spelling and grammar from a person from a nation that doesn't know how to spell "colour". "Dumbass" is "dumbarse".
AidanLunn 10 months ago
i wish spitting image would tell me next weeks lottery numbers. my dad was a working man, from a long line of coal miners actually, and he always despised "bliar". if only everybody saw through him in 1997!
hogalog 1 year ago
@hogalog After 18 years of Tory government, 7 of which were run clumsily by a man with all the charisma of a broken air conditioner, whose party ran amok like a group of hyperactive 3 year-olds, I think people were prepared to vote in a dead, stuffed monkey at the 1997 polls.
At least it would be more charismatic than Mr Major!
AidanLunn 11 months ago
@AidanLunn thats probably true - and in reality we probably needed labour in at the time. however they were in a term to long. bliar shouldve fucked off at the end of term 2, then the tories wouldve gotten in 5 years earlier and the recession wouldnt have hit us anywhere near as hard. although even then, the stuff bliar did would still have been storing up problems for us. human rights act, open door immigration, iraq war etc.
hogalog 11 months ago
@hogalog Well at the 2005 polls, I'd much rather have had Tony Blair than Michael Howard or Charles Kennedy! Even if he did have many people's blood on his hands.
AidanLunn 11 months ago
@hogalog Thats absolute nonsense, the recession was triggered by corruption in the financial sectors of many nations. This was made easier by little to no financial regulation, something the Conservatives have supported since the 1970's.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed aye but we could have weathered it a lot better if they had been more prudent.....for every 40p they spent, they were borrowing a quid. the banks may have caused the recession but that was 3 fucking years ago and theyve already paid back what the government lent them - however we still owe hundreds of billions and that debt is STILL growing as the current government fight to get it under control. (btw, in the 70s, reckless labour spending meant we needed an IMF bailout)
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog "weathered it a lot better if they had been more prudent."How by creating conditions for any even worse recession or have you forgotten the Tories constant pushes for deregulation in those years? "but that was 3 fucking years ago" Yeah and its still toppling businesses and governments to day.
"theyve already paid back what the government lent them " Then why are they still part owned by the tax payer and reliant on state funds to keep themselves a float?
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed aye but look at germany - booming. why arent we? labour were bankrupting small businesses through taxation even before the recession. and "the banks" arent reliant on government money. ONE of them is, and that bank is from a labour heartland.... eventually the government will be able to sell those shares off and make billions, its the one good thing bliar/brown did.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog "businesses through taxation" Germany has higher tax rates then we do. "nd that bank is from a labour heartland" Really so RBS, Lloyds, Barclays etc. haven't received any tax money or sold shares to the gov't? Last time I checked large percentages of all of them were sold to the government to head off there collapse.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed nope, northern rock (north east) hbos (which the govt forced lloyds to buy, dragging them down aswell) and rbs........ lloyds and rbs are now fine, northern rock is still fucked. barclays NEVER got a penny from the government and never asked. germany also has many more incentives for businesses and it also has willing workers, we have a generation of blairs children who aint got a hard days work in them.
hogalog 10 months ago
@CommissarRed and just for the record, im no blue blood tory (im from the north east after all) but labour go to far. there has to be a middle ground between socialism and capitalism..... good socialism perhaps?? either way i vote tory simply because labour arent fit to run the country and they never really have been since the 50s..... they also rely on outdated class war to win elections.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog No mate for the record your just a fool, you know little about history,politics or economics. Go ahead vote Tory you won't get what you want but you will get what you deserve one way or another. Just ask my friends in Dublin how great there Austerity budget(s) turned out. For the record Germany and China have turned around both spending and taxing far more then Labour ever did but you enjoy your half baked economics
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed ireland has even less money than us, thats why they have such tough austerity measures. i vote tory because - i save/invest my money and i work for a private company. why vote labour? all the union scaremongering about charging us for healthcare etc doesnt wash with me. note #1, china is coining it coz it spends nowt. note #2 germany has a huge industry base that we cannot compete with thanks to the unions and their pals in the labour party.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog Wow almost everything you said is false impressive. Ireland has had numerous austerity budgets each one leaving it with LESS money then it had before, if Osborne is to be believed the opposite should happen. China spends nothing? your an idiot, China spends more on its economy and infrastructure then any other country try again. But yes Germany does have an industrial base congratulations, but they also have a strong Union movement and labour like party (SDP) try again on that one.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed aye but china is the biggest nation in the world also. its also a rather brutal communist country where the vast majority of the people earn a subsistence wage...... and germanies unions arent led by cunts like we have, for example when was the last time a german union pulled its guys out on strike because the pies in the canteen were cold, or because one of the bosses asked the time from somebody who wasnt the official timekeeper?!
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog "ye but china is the biggest nation in the world also." Thats not an economic argument, Russia, Brazil, India are also bigger then we are and yet there economies are not in correlation with there size. "cunts like we have" Funny your the only cunt I see. "official timekeeper?" when was the last time that happened here?
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed those were just 2 examples of the unions being mongs in the 70s. how about another, the bloke who balanced the engines at rover was failing miserably.... not coz he couldnt do it, but he couldnt be arsed to do it properly. rover (well, BL) wanted to fire him but couldnt coz the union would have them all out until he was reinstated. british car industry fucked.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog Oh in the 70's was it? so again why haven't become a new industrial giant then? after all we have weaker unions and privatisation, according to you that should fix the problem and makes a new Germany.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed like i said we were 20 years behind germany back then..... weve since lost all the industries that wouldve kept us up there, thanks to union refusals to modernise.
just keep voting labour mate, look at ireland, thats what youll get eventually.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog Funny Osborne said that the Irish economic model was one that Britain should strive to emulate
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed aye the austerity measures. i mean, before that...... ireland was "booming" by spending loads of money it didnt have and encouraging its people to borrow money they couldnt afford, a bit like labour in britain actually....... only ireland has no major industry to speak of, because at the end of the day its the private sector that funds things like this. britain, well, england, does at least have a lot of light industry but eventually under labour, we would be fucked like ireland.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog Err no, he actually said we should follow Ireland back when it was still a "Celtic Tiger" economy. And as for spending money it didn't have, most of that especially construction was loans handed out by private banks who like ares had to be bailed to prevent a complete collapse of Irish finances.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed aye but like i said ireland has no major industry to fund it all. it was all based on a property boom..... we at least have that, but labour did its best to drive those companies overseas and if they stayed on in power we wouldve eventually ended up like ireland. you do know the labour government was borrowing 60p of every £1 it spent, BEFORE the recession? you need to take the blinkers off because you seem intelligient - dont humiliate yourself.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog "dont humiliate yourself." To late for you I'm afraid. Yeah I do know and I also know that was actually irrelevant because at no point was the country in danger of being "cut off" I also know that much of that spending was earmarked for Industrial rejuvenation projects which would of increased export and revenue to pay of that debt without sacrificing are infrastructure and populace, the very thing thats happening now across the nation.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@hogalog "(btw, in the 70s, reckless labour spending meant we needed an IMF bailout)" btw thats actually a lie. The economic situation in the 1970's affected ALL Western nations and was caused by Stagflation at the time a new economic phenomenon that took everyone by surprise, and the OPEC boycott creating long standing worries of oil access, driving up the costs of energy. Or was Wilson to blame for Nixon's budget too?
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed again if labour hadnt spent the treasury dry and kept on caving into stupid union demands, we wouldve coped better. (also worth noting that despite record demand for coal, UKcoal PLC STILL cannot turn a profit.)
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog Your insane, how on earth was the treasury sepnt on "union\" demands, I know you have no clue how economies work but you really are dense. How on earth would we've have "coped better" under a government with less regulation, less taxes, and less infrastructure spending? Because that worked out so well for Ireland and Greece didn't it.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed the unions destroyed our industry base (ffs check out the history of british leyland!) through refusals to modernise etc, knowing they were all nationalised and would be kept by the government. they didnt realise you still have to compete and make money! higher taxes put businesses off, they offered little incentive for them to start up or expand here, not to mention the social problems theyve created.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog So then why hasn't our industry returned? we have privatisation and harsher trade union laws. And what on earth does that fit in to your "labour bleed the treasury for the unies" given that the selling off are industries ocurred in the 80's and 90's before Labour got to power? oh thats right it doesn't your just scraping for any shred of evidence for your ill thought ramblings.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed do you know how much it costs and how difficult it is now to set up say a steelworks or a coal mine or a shipyard? not to mention that the skills have pretty much gone. the future is small business and light industry - which the tories are infinitely better at dealing with than labour.... but like i said, in reality i would sit on the fence between the 2. its not labours policies per se that i dont like, its the fact they are all corrupt, incompetent chancers.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog "not to mention that the skills have pretty much gone" yeah thanks to Conservative economic policies in the 1980's. "which the tories are infinitely better at dealing with than labour" Really? funny under Tory favoured Market policies small businesses are routinely broken up by large corporate monopolies, oh but I forget economics aren't your strong suit.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed no the tories refused, quite rightly, to keep subsidising out of date industries because we couldnt afford it. modernise, privatise, sink or swim..... you do know that as late as 1980 there were coal mines round here where guys were still working with davy lamps, pick axes and pit ponies?! whilst the germans and the aussie mines were all super modern, mechanical coal cutters, conveyors etc.....
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog "no the tories refused, quite rightly, to keep subsidising out of date industries because we couldnt afford it." First it was a loan to private companies, that was green lit after all projections confirmed a guarantee of repayment plus interest. 2. It was for research in state of the art energy technology both Green and Nuclear in area's where there are gaps in the global market. You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed ukcoal cant even turn a profit now. with huge demand for coal..... the country was 20 years or more out of date when thatcher got into power thats why the axe was wielded, and after that labour had 13 years of power to give the country some direction. instead we blundered about, spent the money on nice new council homes for druggies and illegal immigrants, whilst letting in millions of poles to drive the wages down.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog No wages were driven down due to the weaken of regulations and Trade Unions, something you seem to be in favour off. It Market economics one oh one, "the best job at lowest cost", This is also something Osborne and friends are very keen on given there embracing of small government ideals in the 1980's.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed no they were driven down because a pole would take minimum wage whereas the equivalent brit would want a fair bit more..... a better solution wouldve been to force our benefit bums to do the jobs instead.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog No they were driven down because private employers "freed" from the tyranny of government regulation is willing to pay the poles minimum wage rather then hire local workers or base his decision simple on experince. That is a direct symptom of weakening economic regulation and trade unions. Again what the party you vote for embraces. "benefit bums to do the jobs instead." Funny how theres always a lot morr "bums" under Tory governments,
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed no actually there was a massive labour shortage because the labour government had made being unemployed to easy. they then let the poles in to fill those gaps, that was the idea, but they let in far to many and they began undercutting. i should know, a company i worked for replaced natural wastage with poles on £4 less an hour than the rest of us. if there wasnt so many of them they wouldnt have undercut the wages to get the job.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog No actually unemployment was actually kept very low, actually go and look at the figures. Poles where let in because they joined the EU and like all members get freedom of travel to other members. They filled Labour gaps in areas where few had employment, funnily enough Labour also funded apprenticeships and vocational courses to fill those gaps in the long term.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed so you think throwing open our borders when we had an army of unskilled unemployed people capable of working, was a good thing? youre a lost cause mate. sorry.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog I never said it was, learn to read. I'm just calling you out for lying. Labour didn't "open up the borders" the borders were already open because where part of the EU which if I may remind you the Conservatives took us into.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed erm no, other eu countries (ie: germany, sweden, france...) they all put caps on the immigration, as we did with the romanians and bulgarians. oh dear youve fucked up there. the conservatives took us into the european common market.... they did not sign away our sovereignty like bliar and brown did..... bliar did it because he thought that in return he would become eu president.... but they saw through him for the snake he is.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog NO actually you fucked up, to open something requires it to be closed in the first place, Anyway the reason why caps were placed on the Poles? because there weren't enough trained to get there places. You seem to suffer under the delusion that anyone can pick up a spanner and become a manual labourer, you can't it takes training, This is why Labour spent and regulated Apprenticeships and vocational courses so that we could plug those shortages.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed actually i started out knowing nothing, i learned on the job, not as an apprentice, as a trainee. in bog standard factory work. what i am, is an unskilled worker. ive no problem with bringing skilled people in but there was no need to let all those UNSKILLED poles in who CANT EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH and labour themselves admit they fucked up, they shouldve been capped like the romanians are. like i said keep voting labour, hopefully they wont get back in, we will become another ireland.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog Oh dear, if those unskilled non English speaking Poles are so bad then surely its the fault of employers given them jobs because there cheaper thus creating an incentive to migrate, you know "market forces" private employers have the right to make any decision that they feel are in there economic interests, A belief championed by Gladstone, Friedman, Thatcher and Osborne among others.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed they all also had immigration capped (apart from osborne who has his hands tied by the lisbon treaty)..... youre really making a bollock of yourself there. and employers are running a business, take somebody on £7.50 an hour or the minimum wage? you take the minimum wage one, now if the poles hadnt been allowed in in such numbers, they wouldnt have had that choice. those "market forces" wouldve dictated a higher demand for labour, and thus higher wages.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog But hang on a minute that wouldn't be market forces dictating anything, that would be government intervening in the economy something that goes against the very ideology of the modern Conservative party. And as for Lisbon please, if he really hated then why not repeal it or have a referendum on it which the government is entitled to do.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
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@CommissarRed you still havent answered the question..... just like your god, bliar....
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog in theory, in practice that never happens
LambChowder1 10 months ago
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and you didnt answer my question.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog Also do you even know what the original Constitution of the EEC was? it planned for the eventual introduction of every other reform since then including HR act, Massthrict and the bulk of the Lisbon treaties. The Campaign against European Federalism based its campaign in opposition to this plan way back in the 1970's Yes/No referendum.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed no we signed up to the common market - a trade block. all the united states of europe bollocks wasnt even on the cards then, it only came about in the 90s after the ussr went down the shitter.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog No this is just another thing you know little about, Actually read the bloody agreements and charter of the EEC there on line now and in English.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed right ill ask you a very simple question, because you quite clearly are very simple...... in 2007 at the peak of the boom, labour were borrowing 60p for every 40p they made in tax right, thats sort of a ball park figure theres no need to go into the ins and outs.... you think that to get out of recession we should continue spending at that rate, even though the economy has shrank? so theyd be borrowing 70p for every 30p perhaps? you honestly think that would work?
hogalog 10 months ago
@CommissarRed the tories are in and theres been more movement here in the north east in the space of 1 year than there was under the whole of the last governments 13 years. what does that tell you?
hogalog 10 months ago
@CommissarRed yeah the tories know nowt..... since they got into power, middlesbrough steelworks has reopened, loads of small factories and warehouses are opening here as well as more long term projects (hitachi railway works, renewable energy industries etc). the whole area had been sinking under labour for years. its ok though, the local scumbags were getting more benefits and nicely renovated council houses.
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog And yet funnily enough Growth nationally is none existent and Unemployment has actually increased across the board. Yeah there on top form.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed aye but we would still be going backwards under labour. (and a local report not long back pointed out that north east england has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, even if its only just a region)
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog "are all corrupt, incompetent chancers." And the Tories aren't? now I know your pretty dim if you think that, Lord Ashcroft funding the party whilst refusing to declare his residency status to exploit tax loopholes? letting Vodaphone get out of paying taxes it owes despite record profits? cancelling loans to Forgemasters and other industries on a wim whilst undermining whats left of are manufacturing and research centres because there areas vote Labour. there all squeaky clean I'm sure
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed if forgemasters could have made the money they claimed, they wouldve gotten it (in fact a bank wouldve lent them it)..... nissan didnt get any of its loans and sweeteners cancelled, plus boro steelworks and the hitachi plant etc (you do know the north east has labours safest seats?)
hogalog 10 months ago
@hogalog Actually no bank would authorise loans that size because they were to busy pleading impending bankruptcy for government intervention, oh wait according to you thats just Norther rock silly me. Those projections were confirmed by numerous sources it was canned because it became a political scoring point in the run up to the elections.
CommissarRed 10 months ago
@CommissarRed oh right so, how comes in the safest labour area in the country, middlesbrough steelworks, the hitachi railway works (and subsequent supply chain) both got the go ahead, nissan still got its loans and sweeteners for the new electric car..... why didnt they can all that? remember SAFEST labour seats, infact the sedgefield one where hitachi will be based, was bliars seat.
hogalog 10 months ago
@CommissarRed +++ bliar. went to the most expensive school in the country. all he used his time in government for was to feather his and his wifes nest. human rights act - worst thing weve ever done, but its ok coz cherie is making millions out of it.
hogalog 10 months ago
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just proves that socialism only works until you run out of other people's money ....
alanhoward535 1 year ago
@alanhoward535 Narp. Read a history book you outdated old daily mail Fucklump.
KungfuCow5 10 months ago
This'd be funnier if it wasn't so depressing.
colin5577 1 year ago 18
'We could have a look down the sofa...' lol!
dlk1dlk1 1 year ago 13
i thought his head was going to explode.
aced1592 1 year ago
What you brave souls endured with this character, of course speaking from the states I have a peculiar vantage point. But this sketch was spot on and he was just as insufferable then.
choppedlogic1 1 year ago
This video sums up all the Labour parties worldwide!
SenhorBundy 1 year ago
More precisley, having no money to back up your plans & making whatever you do implement, do more harm than good.
Now THAT, is what the Labour Party is, and always has been about.
Nothing but the "corporate face" of the Trade Unions who are also there to feather their own nests.
Both are unessecary and irrelevant in the 21st century.
But they both have lavish lifestyles to fund so they convince the public that they are there to stand up for them.
skeletorphd 1 year ago
@skeletorphd Swap labour party and unions for tories and liberals, and its still a sound argument. Everybody is feathering a nest, just that the tories only look at the top 10% of society. Who is getting let of tax? and who are being laid off?
I agree that the money wasn't there, too much too fast.
and if you class voluntary work to help people too apathetic to help themselves as feathering a nest, i dont know what to say.
w1n6ed83a5t 1 year ago
@zozanday and that is what the labour party is all about
MONEYMAN101ish 1 year ago 2
dear god... i mean christ. that's not even funny.
A1jdlb 1 year ago
Isnt this scary from this scetch comedy show, how right it was and how Labour comunist red party screwed the U.K and the world up over the last 13 years all I can sayis bye bye to bad rubbish like Labour.
mart270 1 year ago
Blair's a Labour politician? who'da thunk?
marshmallowbudgie 1 year ago
Er I think it is called £1 TRILLION of debt - "that is how we would pay for it all"
AndrewJM70 1 year ago 3
Damn, that Tony Blair looks like Tony Abbott!
karmapoliceman43 1 year ago
How's Tony Blair worked out for you? lol
Labour will not get back into power for over 12 years now. Thank God!
Lightf00t1 1 year ago