@Briankey1960 usa never helped greece.usa just try to use greece by selling weapon to us in very high prices.u even try to make greece not to get burgas pipe line with russia and not to buy bmp3.just to give u an example of ur so called'''help'' and btw greece ordered fremm frigates with baliistic scalp navals.and guess whos not ok with that decision..yeah...usa.but no matter what well get our frigates with scalp naval casue here is europe and usa cannot whine on us.got it?
well, no body said to the Greek pilots that the USAF F-15 (stationed in Japan) had the F-22 radar. They found out after the exercise.Even though they did pretty well.
What the HAF pilots remember anyhow, is how warm and friendly the US citizens treated them. Returning to their Las Vegas hotel, tired and exhausted, every body in the lobby welcome them with applause and complements. They told them "you are friends and allies, and with your presence here you actually defend America" !!
@Briankey1960 i respect your opinion and i really understand your frustrations but dont forget that Greece ,Turkey and other countries are good clients of your defence industries.its not wise to use the word 'help' because we were always helping your defence industries for production...
WE are better ,, they can fly anything from a first world war model plane down to most modern ones ,,and you know what?? they make a very good use of them with no fear or hold backs ,,what others wil consider suicidal moves ?? for them is just a daily play and mastering ,,they have no....fear and opposing nummerical advantage means nothing to them true to their ancient motto of ... did not ask you how many ( metaphor) but ...where. 186 seira sismik,,evros.
please stop these stupid nationalism. you can get nothing broadcasting these childish films. let me say that only america and europe earn by selling their aircraft to greek and turkish. you can do antyhing unless you make your own aircraft. does greece make aircraft? no ! does turkish? no ! so look at your economy! you are fully of debt to eu and usa. say that same case to turkish economy.
they will get your underpant soon. come on ! greek and turks are puppet
@42turk42 You ruled nothing since you were afraid to come to places like Souli, Crete, Corfu, or mountain terrain or islands. 90% of Greece Turks never sete their foot on, hence the ownage of 1821 and 1912. Hell you can't control your own country with all the Kurds :)
@yurdakok yes the states are puppets... but there is difference. It is Turks (following US orders) that invade Greek space, not the opposite. So take back your armies and ships and planes and we will then have no reason to speak of that... Get back to your caves and occupy with your cave problems and stop exporting them aggressively on your neighbours...
Για να διατηρήσεις το πολυ υψηλό επίπεδο που έχεις πρέπει να ασκήσαι σκληρά και ρεαλιστικά. Είναι μαθηματικά βέβαιο ότι αυτό θα ξανασυμβεί. Ο δείκτης ατυχημάτων της ΠΑ είναι αρκετά χαμηλός πάντως. Μπορεί να γίνει χαμηλότερος και η εκπαίδευση πιο πάνω αν υπήρχαν σύγχρονα εκπαιδευτικά αεροσκάφη. Υπάρχει ένα κενό όταν οι ανθυποσμηναγοί μετά τα ελικοφόρα πάνε στα Τ-6 που έχουν αναλογικά οργανα και μετά στις μοίρες που πετάνε F-16!!!!
den thumamai pou to diavasa alla elege oti oi kaliteroi pilotoi einai oi israilinoi, oi 2oi einai oi amerikanoi logo empeirias alla propantwn e3oplismo kai 3oi emeis
im greek...lets sell all of our fighter with the turks so we will have a problem less...and then use the money to do something together...i say water under the bridge...got bored to hate people i dont know...
The hellenic air force does not suffer from the economic crisis greece has right now. The financing of HAF is secured. Everything is fine, don't worry my little Turkish arkadas.
iam from Greece, It is true that many times we are overeacting as greeks in our comments :) but it is not because of our ego's. It is because we feel very proud about our pilots who are doing their best every day. Not only in this particular exercise but every day over the aegean defending our small but very proud nation against the daily turkish offensive acts and provokes. Every single day there are doing real dogfights. not exercises.
Im from greece and i dont really care about being better than USAF.But i care being better than the fucking TurkMongols AF!!!So mongols behold of the DEMON LORDS OF THE AEGEAN!!!
HAF WON USAF BUT WE USE AMERICAN JETS MISSILES ETC.AND WE ARE ALLIANCE.......ALSO OUR GREEK TEAM USED THE COMPINATION JHMCS-IRIS-T AND F-16 block52+-AIM-120C-7.THE AGGRESSORS HAVE ONLY AIM-9.
It's true...It's kinda funny to watch them forget to think beyond their own little bubble and then acuse americans of being the foolish ones...we aren't great we're flawed too but the way they sound is like the pot calling the kettle black.
to friends from usa,its not the first time that you lose from the greeks,in every exercise here in greece you lose,take a look asig org,back in 1974 its an old story,when it comes to pilots you cant mees with us,because you are americans we are greeks
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Listen you fucking greek dumbfucks the 64th and 65th aggressors that the blue force goes up against fly their -15s and -16s so that they replicate the flying characteristics of enemy aircraft (mig29,21 etc.) so stop listening to pro HAF propaganda saying they beat the USAF. the HAF works as a TEAM with OTHER nato aircraft in the blue force! NONE of you armchair warriors know what truely goes on over the nellis ranges. its called OPSEC!
Shut up, you got fucked, this is why nobody talks about red flag now. HAF was the first foreign airforce which owned the USAF, and don´t forget who ruled your "Dream Team" in Basketball...
who gives a shit if no one talks about red flag, shouldnt you pigs have other things you should be talking about? Or are you a nerd and all you do is jack off to planes?
why dont you explain how the USAF got owned by the pig AF? are you a pilot? Does OPSEC not apply to you? or let me guess... you believe wht every news outlet says?
and fuck off, what does basketball have to do with this shit you fucking homo.
he talked about "HAF-propaganda". There is no propaganda on the side of HAF. The hellenic Air force belongs to NATO and is the most discreet and serious organisation Greece has to offer!
the score 3 for usaf its not real,they did'nt manage a hit to greeks,it was given to them under the rules of the exercise,i heard a usa general or something to ask from us every year to be there,and for usa pilots to come here for training,after red flag,i think before a month from now
They don't. There is no score. Everyone who says the score is just making it up. Its not a football game, its training. Where it all got started, I don't know, but they need to get there facts straight.
It may not be top secret, but what your not understanding is that THERE IS NO SCORE! Red Flag is a training exercise! Just because some people call it war games doesn't mean its actually a game. Do more research.
There is always competition between people. Remember the excersise with USA and Indy's Air force? At first the Usamericans placed unexpierenced pilots ( >50hrs)and the Su 's won every scenario. Later the USairforce decided to teach a lesson and brought more experienced pilots. The result was for the opponents to ask for termination of the a2a scenarios.
Where are you hearing all this from? None of you guys are giving a source. You guys are just talk talk talk. If your from greece, greece apparently always wins, if your from turkey, the turks win, brazil, brazilians win, etc. Obviously you guys know nothing about what goes on during military training exercises and you will never know, why, details aren't going to be provided to the public.
"SEAD escort" enounter the red team, is that truth or not? secondly, if a greek knows it is no secret anymore, i can assure that. U r right that nations use propaganda,but HAF like TUAF are exprerienced in dogfights. Our source is "Ptisi" magazine, a magazine where Locheed etc get advertised
source in ptisi magazine. search in naxion blogspot red flag and translate it or ask from ptisi gr...these are the sources, journalists maybe lies but journalists, not fans.
the 343 Hellenic sq. of the 115 combat wing flew SEAD. HAF pilots while flying on SEAD escort sorties,were countered by aggressor USAF "red team". Thats how the kills happened. Furthermore,the 343 sq had as a secondary role the air defence. So HAF f16s undertook HVAA protection tasks.The mighty USAF F-15's and F-16s tried, but their good wasnt good enough...Final score 18-3 to HAF
In the most demanding air strike simulation in the world called RED FLAG, Greek pilots outperformed US pilots with the incredible 11-0. It was the most severe defeat the USAF has ever suffered in in entire history giving pride to the Greek Nation for its pilots. RED FLAG is considered the most realistic and most demanding exercise in the world.
the greeks can win all they want the usaf agressors only mission is to pretend to be a mig there for they didnt fly against ne of our airpower besides non moded f-16 block 32s which could never be sent to combat trust me i know i work them every day they might wana fly against our f-22s or even the 422s f-16s they will lose that fight
You need to shut the fuck up you greek pig, how can they have 11 kills when their role was SEAD,USAF aggressor pilots have way more experiance than greek pilots,countries from around the world dont come to nellis to compete they come to participate in a joint EXERCISE.
they can have if they escort...ask "ptisi. gr" they are jounarlists with no nationalistic motives. I dont believe neither i can confirm anything but USAF cant be arrogant in dogfights...Maybe in bombing civilians and talibans u can be proud (talking about the 90s not the 40s).
i wanted to show that between two countries with war history, can work for a better future. Civilised nations can achieve that. Greece is not a complete civilised nation, religion and barbaric neighbours, hold us into a phobic situation.
Baxalo the generals of turkey can claim what ever they want, they will take my balls in the end, Im from Kalymnos 45 minutes away from Asia minor,if the turks ever grow some balls they can come and try to take them from us.. we are still waiting.. But hey its more plausible that "instabul" will become again Constantinople than these monkeys taking our islands.
Κωνσταντινουπολη, ε; οχι και τοσο Ελληνικη πολη. Χριστιανικη, ναι. Η Τουρκια θα εκπολιτιστει, χωρις τους στρατηγους της(βλ. Ergenekon) αυτο ειναι, εκ των ων ουκ ανευ. Προτιμω μια Δημοκρατικη Τουρκια, στο κατω κατω, γειτονες ειμαστε και θα ειμαστε.
Really? This is still going on? The whole Turk-Greek thing? Christ, get over it already. France isn't this pissed at Germany, for Gods sake. I know plenty of Turks, and they could care less about Greece.
Yes, it stills go on. Two weeks ago, Turkey claimed a Greek island, (Kastelorizo). I am sure that Germany do not do that. I have friends from Turkey, too.
They got their propaganda, and we got ours.
Divide et Imperum. (Something bad is going to happen at this month.)
Interesting. The proximity of two countries that spent centuries doing very bad things to each other (and apparently still antagonize) can only lead to problems I suppose.
Me ''mporei'' den ginetai syzitisi..Oi amerikanoi ehoun empeiria se a2g mono..pote den antimetwpisan ''sovari'' aeroporia...Oi Ellines ehoun megalyteri empeiria se a2a apo tous amerikanous.
Τα γερακια, απο την Μοιρα "Αστερι" ειναι advanceF16Cblock52+, εχοντας ανωτερο εξοπλισμο απο τα αμερικανικα, οπως: IRIS-T,CFT,HVMCS, ρανταρ APG68, με 2/5 ανωτερη ιχνηλατιση και απεικονιση στοχων.
Τα της USAF, ειναι F16C, με ατρακτιδια παρεμβολων ALQ 114. Ομοιως τα F15C.
Ta ellinika itan me palio systima autoprostasias(ohi me aspis II)..kai episis oi amerikanoi pleonektousan arithmitika 13-4 stin teliki emploki..Opote oi amerikanoi pleonektousan
Παιδια βγαλτε κανα καινουργιο βιντεο με dogfight (HAF VS TUF)... την εχουν πεσει αγρια τα μογγολια... νομιζουν οτι μπορουν να μας αναχετισουν... ας τους δειξουμε ομως τι πραγματικα συμβαινει...
Hey , if one HAF dude can shoot down 11 USAF bogies , how many Turkish TuAF bogies can he shoot ? 20-30-50. Hell , the Turks won't have an airforce after 5 days of hot action LOL !!!
ρε παιδια!ακουσατε για το 11-0 HAF vs USAF στην RED FLAG?τα αμερικανακια μετρισαν 11 εικονικες καταριψεις απο τα ελληνικα!εμεις ουτε μια!!!!ξερετε τιποτα ποιο συγκεκριμενο?
@Briankey1960 thats the point...u said it....while u shouldnt said it cause its not true
itachiitachi1946 9 months ago
@Briankey1960 actually none country called for ur help.....and thats a fact.periodu just stick ur nose where u shouldnt.simple as that
itachiitachi1946 9 months ago
@Briankey1960 usa never helped greece.usa just try to use greece by selling weapon to us in very high prices.u even try to make greece not to get burgas pipe line with russia and not to buy bmp3.just to give u an example of ur so called'''help'' and btw greece ordered fremm frigates with baliistic scalp navals.and guess whos not ok with that decision..yeah...usa.but no matter what well get our frigates with scalp naval casue here is europe and usa cannot whine on us.got it?
itachiitachi1946 9 months ago
well, no body said to the Greek pilots that the USAF F-15 (stationed in Japan) had the F-22 radar. They found out after the exercise.Even though they did pretty well.
What the HAF pilots remember anyhow, is how warm and friendly the US citizens treated them. Returning to their Las Vegas hotel, tired and exhausted, every body in the lobby welcome them with applause and complements. They told them "you are friends and allies, and with your presence here you actually defend America" !!
KKALFAKIS 9 months ago
Aptal yununistan.TSK ile aşık atacağım diye olmadık askeri harcamlara giriyor. :D çevirinde okusn dallamalar. :)))
sertsiken1071 11 months ago
@Briankey1960 i respect your opinion and i really understand your frustrations but dont forget that Greece ,Turkey and other countries are good clients of your defence industries.its not wise to use the word 'help' because we were always helping your defence industries for production...
panagiwtis27 1 year ago
@Briankey1960 we dont hate common people like you my friend.we hate your policy.we hate rockefeller and rothchilids dynasty.
panagiwtis27 1 year ago
fuck turkey
giotanikoletsea 1 year ago
WE are better ,, they can fly anything from a first world war model plane down to most modern ones ,,and you know what?? they make a very good use of them with no fear or hold backs ,,what others wil consider suicidal moves ?? for them is just a daily play and mastering ,,they have no....fear and opposing nummerical advantage means nothing to them true to their ancient motto of ... did not ask you how many ( metaphor) but ...where. 186 seira sismik,,evros.
vasilis717 1 year ago
hi greeks;
i am turkish.
please stop these stupid nationalism. you can get nothing broadcasting these childish films. let me say that only america and europe earn by selling their aircraft to greek and turkish. you can do antyhing unless you make your own aircraft. does greece make aircraft? no ! does turkish? no ! so look at your economy! you are fully of debt to eu and usa. say that same case to turkish economy.
they will get your underpant soon. come on ! greek and turks are puppet
yurdakok 1 year ago 3
@yurdakok Please stop claiming our land, air and sea, kemalofacist and islamofascist scum.
TheEvian100 1 year ago
@TheEvian100
Nobody claims land of Greece u idiot. He is trying to warn u and look how u respond. No shit we ruled u for 400 years..
42turk42 1 year ago
@42turk42 And then what? We are still here mehmet fuckheads.
SpnOptimus2011 1 year ago
@42turk42 You ruled nothing since you were afraid to come to places like Souli, Crete, Corfu, or mountain terrain or islands. 90% of Greece Turks never sete their foot on, hence the ownage of 1821 and 1912. Hell you can't control your own country with all the Kurds :)
TheEvian100 1 year ago
@yurdakok yes the states are puppets... but there is difference. It is Turks (following US orders) that invade Greek space, not the opposite. So take back your armies and ships and planes and we will then have no reason to speak of that... Get back to your caves and occupy with your cave problems and stop exporting them aggressively on your neighbours...
notgodsemigod 1 year ago
@yurdakok you are right.i am greek but greeks and turkish spend their money for weapons.
panagiwtis27 1 year ago
The time has come for Greece to fight for her independence. Greeks, we now
must prove worthy of our ancestors and the freedom they gave us. Fight for the
Fatherland, for your wifes, for your children and for the sacred traditions. Now,
above a...ll, FIGHT!» ΜΕΤΑΧΑΣ 28.10.1940
JIMY45GR 1 year ago
συγκρουση δυο ελληνικων f -16 2.30 mm στο καστελι κρητης νεκροι πιλοτοι,, δυστυχως ανεπαρκεια συντηρησης συνεχιζεται
JIMY45GR 1 year ago
@JIMY45GR
ΟΧΙ!
Λάθος του πιλότου ήταν και παραβίαση των κανόνων ασφαλειας.
Οταν πετάς στα ορια και εξασκείσαι σε δύσκολα σεναρια εμπλοκής ένα ανθρώπινο λάθος σε κλάσμα του δευτερολέπτου οδηγεί στη καταστροφή.
Ετσι είναι, έτσι θα ξαναγίνει.
Το ζητούμενο είναι ο Μ.Ο. ατυχημάτων ανά ώρες πτήσης.
Και ο αείμνηστος Αλεξναδρος Μπριντακ ήταν ο ασσος των ασσων αλλά ένα λάθος του σε μλια παρα πόλύ δύσκολη ασκηση την Ιεραξ 4 κόστισε της ζωή του.
OlympianPierian 1 year ago
@JIMY45GR
Για να διατηρήσεις το πολυ υψηλό επίπεδο που έχεις πρέπει να ασκήσαι σκληρά και ρεαλιστικά. Είναι μαθηματικά βέβαιο ότι αυτό θα ξανασυμβεί. Ο δείκτης ατυχημάτων της ΠΑ είναι αρκετά χαμηλός πάντως. Μπορεί να γίνει χαμηλότερος και η εκπαίδευση πιο πάνω αν υπήρχαν σύγχρονα εκπαιδευτικά αεροσκάφη. Υπάρχει ένα κενό όταν οι ανθυποσμηναγοί μετά τα ελικοφόρα πάνε στα Τ-6 που έχουν αναλογικά οργανα και μετά στις μοίρες που πετάνε F-16!!!!
OlympianPierian 1 year ago
Whats all this TuAF hatred? I dont see any Turkish F-16's up there? Stick to the subject please.
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
den thumamai pou to diavasa alla elege oti oi kaliteroi pilotoi einai oi israilinoi, oi 2oi einai oi amerikanoi logo empeirias alla propantwn e3oplismo kai 3oi emeis
geover330 1 year ago
@geover330 ap oti fainetai auto allakse...
priapus26 1 year ago
@priapus26 oute kan file, oi ellines pilotoi einai pagkosmiws anagnwrismenoi ws apo tous kaliterous
geover330 1 year ago
@etsak1975 11h to 2004 :)
PetrosRiot 1 year ago
im greek...lets sell all of our fighter with the turks so we will have a problem less...and then use the money to do something together...i say water under the bridge...got bored to hate people i dont know...
techstepman 1 year ago
@etsak1975 hahaah la8os to 8 h8ela na pw :)
PetrosRiot 1 year ago
thanks 8081rt....
greetings from greece....
ρε συμπεριφερεστε σαν καραγκιοζιδες....αμερικανικα οπλα και τους λετε οτι τα ξερουμε καλυτερα εμεις? χαζοι ειστε?
μια χαρα ειμαστε αλλα με μετρο...
GreeceHoplite7 2 years ago
file mou den plhrwnei to nato gi auta alla oloi oi ellhnes......
stauroszafiropoulos 2 years ago
the haf is not belong to NATO but in greece.
stauroszafiropoulos 2 years ago 6
poios sto pe auto?
mouloukos 2 years ago
Flight low - hit hard ...simple
SpnOptimus2011 2 years ago
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yarakkafaliasker 2 years ago
@yarakkafaliasker
The hellenic air force does not suffer from the economic crisis greece has right now. The financing of HAF is secured. Everything is fine, don't worry my little Turkish arkadas.
Atsitais80 2 years ago
Atsitais80 Thank you my Friend, you are a great Greek Guy ! I hope only the Best for Hellenic Air Force! Καληνύχτα!
yarakkafaliasker 2 years ago
@yarakkafaliasker
iakshamlar. kalinyxta.
Atsitais80 2 years ago
hail to haf......
filip520 2 years ago 3
Thank you very much for posting this video with our pilots.
Greetings from Greece
GREEKEAGLE12 2 years ago
Fuck the Mongols, fuck the sterile americans...Long live orthodox brotherhood.
fishbed011 2 years ago 3
iam from Greece, It is true that many times we are overeacting as greeks in our comments :) but it is not because of our ego's. It is because we feel very proud about our pilots who are doing their best every day. Not only in this particular exercise but every day over the aegean defending our small but very proud nation against the daily turkish offensive acts and provokes. Every single day there are doing real dogfights. not exercises.
jper75 2 years ago 64
Im from greece and i dont really care about being better than USAF.But i care being better than the fucking TurkMongols AF!!!So mongols behold of the DEMON LORDS OF THE AEGEAN!!!
SolidJCP 2 years ago 52
HAF WON USAF BUT WE USE AMERICAN JETS MISSILES ETC.AND WE ARE ALLIANCE.......ALSO OUR GREEK TEAM USED THE COMPINATION JHMCS-IRIS-T AND F-16 block52+-AIM-120C-7.THE AGGRESSORS HAVE ONLY AIM-9.
FANTANQ5 2 years ago 6
I'm thinking it's about time to disable comments on alot of these vids Rich...but good vids.
WardogOtter 2 years ago
Ive been thinking about it. But reading stupid comments are actually pretty entertaining. They make themselves look so stupid.
8081rt 2 years ago
It's true...It's kinda funny to watch them forget to think beyond their own little bubble and then acuse americans of being the foolish ones...we aren't great we're flawed too but the way they sound is like the pot calling the kettle black.
WardogOtter 2 years ago
FFS its a vid about planes , why does every1 have to make an argument ( 8081rt is ok he was only standing up for his country )
Ultramarine998 2 years ago
to friends from usa,its not the first time that you lose from the greeks,in every exercise here in greece you lose,take a look asig org,back in 1974 its an old story,when it comes to pilots you cant mees with us,because you are americans we are greeks
aargirhsmil 2 years ago
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Listen you fucking greek dumbfucks the 64th and 65th aggressors that the blue force goes up against fly their -15s and -16s so that they replicate the flying characteristics of enemy aircraft (mig29,21 etc.) so stop listening to pro HAF propaganda saying they beat the USAF. the HAF works as a TEAM with OTHER nato aircraft in the blue force! NONE of you armchair warriors know what truely goes on over the nellis ranges. its called OPSEC!
LiveAfterDeath69 2 years ago
Shut up, you got fucked, this is why nobody talks about red flag now. HAF was the first foreign airforce which owned the USAF, and don´t forget who ruled your "Dream Team" in Basketball...
jacktheripper1821 2 years ago 3
oh shut the fuck up.
who gives a shit if no one talks about red flag, shouldnt you pigs have other things you should be talking about? Or are you a nerd and all you do is jack off to planes?
why dont you explain how the USAF got owned by the pig AF? are you a pilot? Does OPSEC not apply to you? or let me guess... you believe wht every news outlet says?
and fuck off, what does basketball have to do with this shit you fucking homo.
LiveAfterDeath69 2 years ago
Take that cock outta your face first and then we talk.
jacktheripper1821 2 years ago
lol you know im right and thats all you got.
we dont need to talk, i know what im talking about and i said what i need to say. Now i have nothing else to prove. loser
LiveAfterDeath69 2 years ago
Why are you trying to change the subject? First basketball, know your talking about cocks? You know he's right and just had nothing else to say.
8081rt 2 years ago
@8081rt
he talked about "HAF-propaganda". There is no propaganda on the side of HAF. The hellenic Air force belongs to NATO and is the most discreet and serious organisation Greece has to offer!
Atsitais80 2 years ago 5
Greece has the 3rd bigest navi power in the world !
PetrosRiot 2 years ago 2
@PetrosRiot 8th *
PetrosRiot 1 year ago
@PetrosRiot 8th biggest naval power *
PetrosRiot 1 year ago
every exercise in the world is a training one,thats why people call it exercise
aargirhsmil 2 years ago
no exercise that take place in the world give results,and if they do its not clear,sometimes they give something like dengerous red etc
aargirhsmil 2 years ago
the score 3 for usaf its not real,they did'nt manage a hit to greeks,it was given to them under the rules of the exercise,i heard a usa general or something to ask from us every year to be there,and for usa pilots to come here for training,after red flag,i think before a month from now
aargirhsmil 2 years ago
HAF vs USAF
18-3 to HAF
Krotidas 2 years ago 2
Wait a minute, how do you know that? I thought Red flag doesn't disclose the final stats
TPS996 2 years ago
They don't. There is no score. Everyone who says the score is just making it up. Its not a football game, its training. Where it all got started, I don't know, but they need to get there facts straight.
8081rt 2 years ago
Red flag may not disclose but the HAF surely did, and why not...it is not top secret or anything....
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago
It may not be top secret, but what your not understanding is that THERE IS NO SCORE! Red Flag is a training exercise! Just because some people call it war games doesn't mean its actually a game. Do more research.
8081rt 2 years ago
he is just masturbating... I am sure this is simple propaganda of HAF towards Greek public. But they can only fool themselves.
sanalbey 2 years ago
there is no propaganda on the part of HAF.
HAF is a very discreet "company".
CoolJayShadow 2 years ago
@CoolJayShadow
You're absolutely right. They're very professional!
Atsitais80 2 years ago 2
There is always competition between people. Remember the excersise with USA and Indy's Air force? At first the Usamericans placed unexpierenced pilots ( >50hrs)and the Su 's won every scenario. Later the USairforce decided to teach a lesson and brought more experienced pilots. The result was for the opponents to ask for termination of the a2a scenarios.
baxalo 2 years ago
Where are you hearing all this from? None of you guys are giving a source. You guys are just talk talk talk. If your from greece, greece apparently always wins, if your from turkey, the turks win, brazil, brazilians win, etc. Obviously you guys know nothing about what goes on during military training exercises and you will never know, why, details aren't going to be provided to the public.
8081rt 2 years ago
"SEAD escort" enounter the red team, is that truth or not? secondly, if a greek knows it is no secret anymore, i can assure that. U r right that nations use propaganda,but HAF like TUAF are exprerienced in dogfights. Our source is "Ptisi" magazine, a magazine where Locheed etc get advertised
AristidesPalidnos 2 years ago
Its Lockheed , not meening any offence
Ultramarine998 2 years ago
ok! ultramarine...it's "meaning" not meening...lol
AristidesPalidnos 2 years ago
lol , what comes around goes around ^^
Ultramarine998 2 years ago
source in ptisi magazine. search in naxion blogspot red flag and translate it or ask from ptisi gr...these are the sources, journalists maybe lies but journalists, not fans.
AristidesPalidnos 2 years ago
HELLENIC AIRFORCE
Simply The Best.
Krotidas 2 years ago 3
If you want you can come coz you are an adult...I can't leave...
I'm waiting for you.I'll be glad to throw you in the Greek sea like my ancestors did to yours...xD
SarisaSoldier 2 years ago 3
What?Who is looking for you?OMG
Athinaion sent me the video and I came to watch and I saw your awful name.
I destroyed your channel once...it seems you want more from a Hellene teen.ahaha
SarisaSoldier 2 years ago 4
The only monkey here is you that laughs with foulish things...Like monkeys in Circus.
BRAVO!
SarisaSoldier 2 years ago 4
Did the Hellenic vipers go up against F-15s or similar F-16s block 52+?
What are the exact results of a2a?
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago
Never mind, I answered my own question;
the 343 Hellenic sq. of the 115 combat wing flew SEAD. HAF pilots while flying on SEAD escort sorties,were countered by aggressor USAF "red team". Thats how the kills happened. Furthermore,the 343 sq had as a secondary role the air defence. So HAF f16s undertook HVAA protection tasks.The mighty USAF F-15's and F-16s tried, but their good wasnt good enough...Final score 18-3 to HAF
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago
Next time, MIRAGE 2000-5.
baxalo 2 years ago 2
RED FLAG: Greek Airforce outperforms USAF
In the most demanding air strike simulation in the world called RED FLAG, Greek pilots outperformed US pilots with the incredible 11-0. It was the most severe defeat the USAF has ever suffered in in entire history giving pride to the Greek Nation for its pilots. RED FLAG is considered the most realistic and most demanding exercise in the world.
perselstar 2 years ago 2
the greeks can win all they want the usaf agressors only mission is to pretend to be a mig there for they didnt fly against ne of our airpower besides non moded f-16 block 32s which could never be sent to combat trust me i know i work them every day they might wana fly against our f-22s or even the 422s f-16s they will lose that fight
rscamaro89 2 years ago
You need to shut the fuck up you greek pig, how can they have 11 kills when their role was SEAD,USAF aggressor pilots have way more experiance than greek pilots,countries from around the world dont come to nellis to compete they come to participate in a joint EXERCISE.
ramonefan22 2 years ago
they can have if they escort...ask "ptisi. gr" they are jounarlists with no nationalistic motives. I dont believe neither i can confirm anything but USAF cant be arrogant in dogfights...Maybe in bombing civilians and talibans u can be proud (talking about the 90s not the 40s).
AristidesPalidnos 2 years ago 6
USAF had until last November an excellent strike rate beating every opponent they meet. But last October of 2008 Greece prevailed!
perselstar 2 years ago
Mentioning, Germany and France, was an example.
i wanted to show that between two countries with war history, can work for a better future. Civilised nations can achieve that. Greece is not a complete civilised nation, religion and barbaric neighbours, hold us into a phobic situation.
baxalo 2 years ago 3
ΕΒΡΑΙΩΜΑΣΩΝΟΙ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΣΤΡΑΤΗΓΟΙ ΞΕΓΥΜΝΩΣΑΝ ΤΑ ΒΟΡΕΙΑ ΣΥΝΟΡΑ ΜΑΣ !!!
3 fores w (telia)ellhnkaichaos(telia)blogspot(telia)com
thisabre 3 years ago
Baxalo the generals of turkey can claim what ever they want, they will take my balls in the end, Im from Kalymnos 45 minutes away from Asia minor,if the turks ever grow some balls they can come and try to take them from us.. we are still waiting.. But hey its more plausible that "instabul" will become again Constantinople than these monkeys taking our islands.
Constantinople will be a Greek city again!
Come and get them mongoloids!
CrusaderIXGR 3 years ago
Κωνσταντινουπολη, ε; οχι και τοσο Ελληνικη πολη. Χριστιανικη, ναι. Η Τουρκια θα εκπολιτιστει, χωρις τους στρατηγους της(βλ. Ergenekon) αυτο ειναι, εκ των ων ουκ ανευ. Προτιμω μια Δημοκρατικη Τουρκια, στο κατω κατω, γειτονες ειμαστε και θα ειμαστε.
baxalo 3 years ago
Really? This is still going on? The whole Turk-Greek thing? Christ, get over it already. France isn't this pissed at Germany, for Gods sake. I know plenty of Turks, and they could care less about Greece.
You're fighting shadows.
ev8d8 3 years ago
Yes, it stills go on. Two weeks ago, Turkey claimed a Greek island, (Kastelorizo). I am sure that Germany do not do that. I have friends from Turkey, too.
They got their propaganda, and we got ours.
Divide et Imperum. (Something bad is going to happen at this month.)
baxalo 3 years ago
Interesting. The proximity of two countries that spent centuries doing very bad things to each other (and apparently still antagonize) can only lead to problems I suppose.
ev8d8 3 years ago
It is easier for the humans, to do the bad things than work, for the good ones.
baxalo 3 years ago
Always. Especially when each side is scared the other will attack it.
ev8d8 3 years ago
EXACTLY. Very good!
Fear of the God, terrorism, muslim or christian
etc.
Fear keeps the people in the cave!
What have you studied?
baxalo 3 years ago
I'm a keen student of history. Everything, it seems, is cyclical, always repeating itself.
ev8d8 3 years ago
History, the best teacher of all!
people havnt change, inside, do they? How can our acts be any different, into making a new circle? Fear and hope are the handcuffs, of ours.
Which is your favourite era?
baxalo 3 years ago
Late medieval and Renaissance, as there are many parallels to our own time.
ev8d8 2 years ago
Interesting times. Can you point a book?
baxalo 2 years ago
France isn't pissed to Germany because Germany didn't attack France. Nazis attacked France. There is a whole difference.
ANimouz 2 years ago
Most of the Nazis were German, and a good many Germans disagreed with the Nazis but were in the military anyway.
ev8d8 2 years ago
Thanks for the vid 8081rt.Keep up the good work!
aegeanphantom 3 years ago
Εν κατακλειδι, σας θυμιζω την ασκηση της USAF
με τα SU27 της Ινδιας, οπου απειροι αμερικανοι
κατατροπωθηκαν στην αρχη και μετα την ελευση των
εμπειρων αμερικανων(300+ ωρες), οι Ινδοι ζητησαν
την διακοπη των 1vs1 και 2vs2, εμπλοκων ΑMF.
baxalo 3 years ago
Επισης οι αμερικανοι πιλοτοι ειναι πολυ μπροστα
στο θεμα της πολεμικης εμπειριας.
Κραταω λιγο τα ηνια του ενθουσιασμου επειδη
μπορει οι αμερικανοι να μην τα εδωσαν ολα.
Για να μετρησουν τις διαφορες απο τα υπερσυγχρονα
οπλα που εχουν πουλησει στο εξωτερικο.
baxalo 3 years ago
Me ''mporei'' den ginetai syzitisi..Oi amerikanoi ehoun empeiria se a2g mono..pote den antimetwpisan ''sovari'' aeroporia...Oi Ellines ehoun megalyteri empeiria se a2a apo tous amerikanous.
Stratigoz 3 years ago
Εχεις δικιο. Με υποθεσεις δεν γινεται συζητηση.
Εικονικες καταριψεις καλες εχουμε, ποτε θα γινουν και οι κανονικες; (η ανοχη για τον τουρκο ειναι αδυναμια)
baxalo 3 years ago
SYmfwnw se auto
Stratigoz 3 years ago
Τα γερακια, απο την Μοιρα "Αστερι" ειναι advanceF16Cblock52+, εχοντας ανωτερο εξοπλισμο απο τα αμερικανικα, οπως: IRIS-T,CFT,HVMCS, ρανταρ APG68, με 2/5 ανωτερη ιχνηλατιση και απεικονιση στοχων.
Τα της USAF, ειναι F16C, με ατρακτιδια παρεμβολων ALQ 114. Ομοιως τα F15C.
Συνεπως οι Ελληνες πλεονεκτουσαν.
baxalo 3 years ago
Ta ellinika itan me palio systima autoprostasias(ohi me aspis II)..kai episis oi amerikanoi pleonektousan arithmitika 13-4 stin teliki emploki..Opote oi amerikanoi pleonektousan
Stratigoz 3 years ago
to randomguy 412
MY FRIEND MY ELEMENTS ARE THE OFFICIAL DIBRIEFING OF THE USAF OFFICERS.
FANTANQ5 3 years ago
1st day HAF-USAF Agressors 17-3 (WVR)
2nd day HAF-USAF Agressors 11-0 (BVR)
FANTANQ5 3 years ago
Seriously? Is there somewhere I can find out how all the participants did?
randomguy412 3 years ago
Νομιζω οτι λαθευεις.
1η μερα ητο 11-0 και την 2η, 6-3.
Οι τρεις απωλειες ελεγχονται.
baxalo 3 years ago
Αυτα ειναι απωλειες-ηττες ή εικονικες καταριψεις-νικες?
Δηλαδη την πρωτη μερα ριξαμε 11 αεροσκαφη ή μας "εριξαν" τα πεντε μας 11 φορες?
geminodra 3 years ago
Οι Ελληνες κατεριψαν 11 αμερικανικα, με μηδεν απωλειες, την 1η μερα.
Την 2η μερα, οι Ελληνες κατεριψαν 7( οχι 6) αμερ. με 3 απωλειες.
baxalo 3 years ago
Teliko apotelesma 18-3...Sto telos eriksan 13 aeroskafi enantiwn 4 dikwn mas.Ta 3 pou eriksan oriaka epesan ap oti diavasa
Stratigoz 3 years ago
που το διαβασες;
baxalo 3 years ago
Se 2 periodika pou asholountai me to thema..Malista to ena apo auta diorthwse to 17-3 legontas pws einai 18-3.
Stratigoz 3 years ago
Δεν λες ονοματα για να μην θεωρηθεις "διαφημιστης";
Εισαι κυριος. Τιμη μου.
Τα ιδια διαβαζουμε. Δεν παει να πει ομως οτι δεν υπαρχει προπαγανδα ετσι;
baxalo 3 years ago
Apo apenimerwseis twn amerikanwn einai ta stoiheia re sy.Ti propaganda..An theleis psahnw kai sou lew kai onomata apo ta periodika.
Stratigoz 3 years ago
Η ασκηση διαρκεσε μια εβδομαδα, κι εμεις διαβασαμε τι εγινε τις πρωτες δυο μερες.
baxalo 3 years ago
do the planes use UHF or VHF freq.?
460Mhz?
sixameleon 3 years ago
Παιδια βγαλτε κανα καινουργιο βιντεο με dogfight (HAF VS TUF)... την εχουν πεσει αγρια τα μογγολια... νομιζουν οτι μπορουν να μας αναχετισουν... ας τους δειξουμε ομως τι πραγματικα συμβαινει...
DrMitsos 3 years ago 2
Hey , if one HAF dude can shoot down 11 USAF bogies , how many Turkish TuAF bogies can he shoot ? 20-30-50. Hell , the Turks won't have an airforce after 5 days of hot action LOL !!!
:)))
kerberosdoggie 3 years ago 3
The true question is:
-Will the politicians give the order?
If not, being better means nothing.
These days the generals in turkey ( real government) said that islands close to Turkey are not Greek!
So, does it matter being good in AirForce?
baxalo 3 years ago
Awsome vids 8081rt . Do you live near the base ? Obviously you're in Nevada ?
kerberosdoggie 3 years ago
Yeah I live near Nellis AFB.
8081rt 3 years ago
yparxei arthro sto periodiko stratigiki tou dekembriou.. aksizei na to agorasete!
dnbriskwname 3 years ago
ρε παιδια!ακουσατε για το 11-0 HAF vs USAF στην RED FLAG?τα αμερικανακια μετρισαν 11 εικονικες καταριψεις απο τα ελληνικα!εμεις ουτε μια!!!!ξερετε τιποτα ποιο συγκεκριμενο?
typhoonginopilot 3 years ago
Συμφωνα με καποιο περιοδικο το "σκορ" στη Red Flag ηταν 17-3 για τους δικους μας. Περιμενουμε περισσοτερες πληροφοριες...
savvas330 3 years ago
115ΠΜ Rulez! Xαιρετισμούς στο ΣΜΕΤ, όπου κάνουν αετούς τους νεοσσούς...
deathscytheGR 3 years ago
for us greeks watching our air force in international exercises (especially red flaf)it's the proof of their quality
formie1106 3 years ago
343 sq STAR
Falconakias 3 years ago
Yep, those are our birds alright. Nice.
elgrecoXI 3 years ago 2
keep us updated with vids if you have the chance please.
bbong12 3 years ago 4
Of course.
8081rt 3 years ago
Πάμε μωρή Ελλαδάρα!
dred1970 3 years ago 3
ole!!!!
phantomphlyer337 3 years ago 2