@Firelmp If you say that atheism is a minority... You obviously haven't traveled to Canada and Quebec... ... And I almost forgot : If God is everything and nothing and all knowing... Why does he gets mad?... Not being able to know, while you should know is an imperfection.
@Firelmp I knew you were childish but now it is obvious you are a child. The top comment is important for you? Well you must be really proud of yourself now lol.
@Firelmp And you are such a Dork you dont even realize what the top comment is your pole position is fleeting and other comments on this thread have 19 - 49 thumbs up you are no way near that You will dissapear as fast as you apeared kind of like your fairy tale god
@Firelmp Do you really think that matters? Two wrongs dont make a right. And like I said 8 likes for sure dont make you special I looked back in the thread and a athiest that dosent agree with you has 49 likes. So it sounds to me like you got some work to do. And since your statement has nothing to do with agreeing with you or I. Your statement is just as irrational as your views on creation. The museam in one big disgusting joke and anyone who tells children it is true are child abusers.
@berrywoke Of course not, I'm just pointing out that atheists are a relatively small minority and that Christians are the dominant worldwide majority as of now. As for your completely irrational statement on Creation-believing children, I've been raised to believe that as the truth that I know it to be and always will, so are you calling my parents "child abusers" by making such an erroneous statement as that?
@Firelmp Yes that is exactly what I am saying. I understand after years of brainwashing and indoctrination you can hardly help yourself. But maybe just maybe you will get it straight sooner or later.
@Firelmp Christians are NOT the worldwide majority.Get a grip, pull yer head out of the sand..Question, did your parents adhere to the Santa Claus story when you were a child? The world does not revolve around mid America. Wake up.
@trellzaboppin I never "conceded" anything-- the truth of the Bible is the only real truth regardless of how one was raised, and how one was raised only explains what they probably believe in, not whether or not the Bible is true or not. :-P You don't need to put your faith in empirical evidence if it's true empirical evidence 'cause it's a proven fact, therefore it doesn't require faith, and how is what I said about Muslims believing in creationism too funny?!? :-/
@trellzaboppin Not a whole lot, no. Still, it's a statistically proven fact that there are more people in the world who are or at least claim to be Christian than any other religion (although Islam is growing surprisingly fast nowadays), so don't come crying to me over accurate data.
@TasteOfVengeance5 Well dont tear it down just have the Bullshit removed. I know it would be mostly empty after that but then it could be refilled with real knowledge!!
Why are evolutionist athiests trying so hard to spread their evil, (making idiots of themselves in the process), to keep people from God if according to what they believe, we all won't exist after death anyway. What a pathetic and cowardice thing to do, and even more pathetic and cowardice is using "evolutionary reason" as a shield. Truly it is obvious that this is Satan at work, with God raised up against his lies. Praise the mighty wonderful name of JESUS CHRIST, RULER of Heaven and Earth!!!
@lovingthetruth7 You seem to be using the term "evolutionist atheist" often. Let me point a few out a few things:
1. All "evolutionists" are not atheists. Even among evolutionary scientists, there are a number of people who are religious. Evolution has nothing to do with atheism.
2. All major denominations of Christianity accept evolution - they call it "Theistic evolution"
3. Atheism has nothing to do with evolution, atheism is a lack of belief in God(s)
If evolutionist athiests all believe that everyone dies and goes to the dirt, and has no eternal purpose, then what difference does it make what any single human believes?? Especially when those beliefs make that person a good and better person if they actually live according to the Bible and are saved. I know why they behave in such a way, it is because they know God exists, and they are choosing to be his enemy not his child. They are serving the enemy, trying to keep people from God.
@lovingthetruth7 The difference is that humans are social animals, and to live in a society, we need to cooperate with each other, be good to each other, avoid behaviors that harm others and society. That is why societies make up rules. Any society that disobeys this and let anarchy rule, will disintegrate and destroy themselves..We are here because our ancestors chose to exhibit good behavior.
@rpk58 You didn't answer the question I posted, and if this was your response in full, I am not suprisingly disappointed as there is no good or accepted response that any athiest evolutionist can give to that qustion. However, you are exactly right about what you did post!! Except for the people are animals part of course, and about society being the first to create rules. God was the first to give us commandments, because we are not animals, but we choose to act like "them" in our sin.
@lovingthetruth7 I thought I answered your question. I was explaining that morals are a social construct, but perhaps you were expecting a different answer. So let me take another crack at it.
What difference does it make what any single person believes, especially if those beliefs make that person good? No difference. I am not at all opposed to any tool that you can use to be a better person. My question to you is this - Are you concerned about the truth of your beliefs? (Contd
@lovingthetruth7 I was hoping it wont happen, but I now realize that was wishful thinking. What I am talking about is about you calling me an ignoramus and moron. Always happens when I debate with theists. When you run out of arguments, or when you find that you dont have a logical come back, you start insulting me. So typical. Counter my arguments if you can instead of resorting to foul language.
When you say "live according to Bible" I hope you are not serious. Because if you strictly follow Bible then you will have to stone your son for disobedience, you will have to accept that slavery is acceptable, etc. 2000 years ago these may have been morally acceptable practices, but now they aren't. What changed? Society. Morals change as society evolves - you can find any number of examples - slavery, women's rights, child labor,...(Contd)
@lovingthetruth7 Yeah, more insults. I am not speaking for anybody else, I am speaking for myself. If what I speak doesnt agree with your notions of how a "atheist evolutionist" should speak, then let that be a lesson to you. I challenge you. Debate me instead of bad-mouthing me, if you are capable of doing that. I am the first to admit that I may be wrong on many things; prove it to me through logic and evidence. If you cannot do that then please dont embarass yourself again
How can I imply 'America is deluded'? It's a land mass, it is neither deluded, or rational. Fact.What I am pointing out is your belief is down to your own personal culture. You would not have this creationist slant on things if you were brought up Muslm, Hindu, Zaorastrian or Buddhist, correct? It took the Catholic church hundreds of years to forgive Galileo and Copernicus for stating scientific FACT.
@trellzaboppin Perhaps, but you must remember that Galileo and Copernicus were also Christians back in their day-- they just disagreed with the church on scientific reasons because they personally observed obvious facts. :-P Of course if I was raised differently I'd have different beliefs (although Muslims still believe in creationism by Allah instead of the Christian God), but know this-- I'm eternally thankful for being raised to know the Truth 'cause then I might never have known it!!!!! ^-^
@CharlieWolf5 They were christian because they didn't know any better at the time, pre-enlightement. You have already conceded that your 'Truth' is down to your upbringing/geography. I put my faith in empirical evidence, not some unsubstantiated fairy story, be it bible, koran or whatever. 'Muslims still believe in creationism by Allah instead of the Christian God'.. That made me laugh!! I have no need to kow-tow to a mythical diety, whatever brand of 'morality' they may offer.
@trellzaboppin I never "conceded" anything-- the truth of the Bible is the only real truth regardless of how one was raised, and how one was raised only explains what they probably believe in, not whether or not the Bible is true or not. :-P You don't need to put your faith in empirical evidence if it's true empirical evidence 'cause it's a proven fact, therefore it doesn't require faith, and how is what I said about Muslims believing in creationism too funny?!? :-/
Ecclesiastes 3:11..."He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." This discredits man's prideful assumption that they can disprove, argue, or discover with surety these answers to the age and origin of our planet or universe, contrary to His word, here long before they were.
at 2:58 , the protestors show they are JUST AS FULL OF IT as the idiot creationists: there are no atheist terrorists? Ever hear of the Red Brigades in Italy? All of them were atheist. Or how about James Lee who took over the Discovery Channel HQ, he was a hardcore atheist. Countering the lies of the fundies with lies of your own is NOT going to win the argument.
I could laugh my butt off! How many of the Christians have actually read and interpreted the fairy tale book called the bible by themselves. What they should put into the museum is some descriptions of the old testament! Actually, when you really think about it, all offspring from the fictional Adam and Eve were involved in incest, brother and sister, and I wouldn't be surprised if Adam slept with his daughters and Eve with her sons.
@richig761 I am not speculating about anything! IF, and only if, those 2 people described in the fairy tale really existed, then the only reasonable explanation is that incest must have happened! And please refrain from WTFing me! It's not becoming of a Christian!
@Nevermore1953 Yes, obviously. The point is that you're talking about two people you don't believe in as if they existed. Those two people never existed... evolution makes it impossible for the first human beings to have existed only six to ten thousands of years ago. C'mon... you're an atheist too. You should know this.
@richig761 Hahahahaha! I think I misinterpreted your earlier post! I thought you tried to convince me that they did! There you see how easy it is to read into something when the author intended to say something completely different. Ahhh, virtual is not real!
Oh yeah, science...how the earth was created by a giant explosion of nothing into something, how a meteor killed all dinosaurs but nothing else on earth (and me don't have the crater), no explanation for the ozone layer's creation, no evidence of evolution yet. I can go on and on... THAT MUST BE REAL SCIENCE.
@RebelSoldat1 I didn't state any theories. I stated a fact that you are misinformed. Go do some actual research. What you claim is demonstrably false and you don't understand what science is.
@landesdesign Doesn't that very statement contradict questioning everything, searching for error in assumptions, the very essence of science, just like occurred when the theory was first entertained? Let us not overlook Darwin's theory was accepted by a world unaware of the intricacy of DNA-RNA transcription, quantum mechanics, and the appearance of design at the atomic, and even sub-atomic level? Actually, it seems man's theory requires huge leaps of faith, and worthy of the fairy-tale title.
I went and loved it! and just as mr smowolski's son said we shouldnt lie, see he is a very smart young man, he even knows one of the commandments. Last i checked this is the Land of the Free... I dont object to them protesting. God help them to understand. When a person says "i believe" that is when you know they dont want to know the truth, they have their own ideas and they are their own god.
@gregrutz Well why wouldn't it? Besides, just because that's one of our primary callings in life doesn't mean that we can't enjoy ourselves every now and then too!
@sngcoach I'm going off of what I recall from high school and elsewhere, but if they've changed the definition of certain terms since then, how should I know? I can't stay on top of everything because I have a life too you know!
@sngcoach Isn't that called bacterial/viral mutation because I don't consider mutations to be a type of evolution per se, and even if it was, it still doesn't explain the fundamental question of "where did life come from".
@sngcoach Then what's the difference between a theory and a law? Also, don't high school science classes amount to anything? I'll have you know that my final average for all my high school level science classes was in the 99-100% range pal. However, if you're expecting me to remember everything I learned perfectly and/or have the mentality of a fully groomed, learned scientist with a graduate degree, then you're out of luck, but hey, what kind of person do you expect to talk to here, Einstein?
@sngcoach What I meant by that is that they're wanting to eliminate religious thought completely through the mass propagation of evolution, not turning evolution itself into a religion. Also, how does finding cures for diseases have anything to do with evolution and why is evolution still only considered as being a theory, not a law (which proves it's not 100% true because a theory has yet to be completely proven)?
@sngcoach Don't forget that what I'm talking about here is evolution of one entire kind of creature into another (such as a fish into a frog, a crocodile into an eagle, etc.), not "small-scale" evolution.
@sngcoach You have to at least admit that it's ultimately a matter of faith and one's personal preference on what they want to believe as being true either way. Also, you do know that the mathematical likelihood that everything could evolve on it's own to be exactly as complex as it is today is virtually zero, right? Besides, how could anything come from nothing without divine intervention coming into play?
@sngcoach I wouldn't put it beyond them to create some kind of conspiracy out of evolution as a means to do away with all religion. Plus, if you can't directly observe and experiment with the evolutionary process, then it can't be possible and is not even worthy enough to be considered as true science. You must remember that a scientist is just as human as the rest of us and susceptible to committing vice as much as anyone can. Finally, "proving" Creation is a mix of faith and indirect evidence!
@sngcoach You have to remember though that all those things are easily proven scientific observations while evolution is mere speculation that one cannot directly prove, only deduce. However, not every deduction is always correct, so you should look at every single possible scenario when dealing with the question of universal origins and decide which one makes the most sense before making any judgment calls upon one who disagrees, with the supernatural explanation for origins being most logical.
@sngcoach So, that little scenario is called "Pascal's wager" now, is it? Wasn't Blaise Pascal a famously brilliant Christian French mathematician? Anyway, did you know that it used to be illegal to teach evolution in public schools prior to 1950 in America? It used to be crazy to openly believe in evolution, and now it's starting to become the opposite in some cases. Also, you do know that it's the museum founder's constitutional right to open that kind of establishment in our society, correct?
@sngcoach What country is that? Also, consider this scenario: from a neutral perspective, if a Christian and an atheist die and there's no God after all, they both go to oblivion after death, but if there IS a God after all, the Christian goes to Heaven for eternity while the atheist goes to Hell for eternity; ergo, it's much more logically sound to die a Christian than an unbeliever since at the very least they're even and at the very most the Christian has the advantage over the atheist. Well?
@sngcoach Okay now, I see where you're coming from with that, but still, don't you think that one of the main things the Christian faith does for people is give them an excellent incentive to behave mannerly and ethically in society as best they can? What's so wrong with that?
@sngcoach I haven't ever specifically studied any collegiate branch of science if that's what you mean, but I do understand concepts like the scientific method, theories/laws, etc., so don't just assume I don't. Why don't you define exactly what said difference is for me so I don't have to spend my time Googling it? I only said that bigot statement because I don't want our little discussion here to turn into an immature "flame war" if you know what I mean.
@sngcoach It's an obvious sociological fact that America had much lower rates of crime, alcoholism, drug abuse, divorce, etc., so look that up and find out the statistics for yourself. As for the rest of what you said, try to "prove" just how Creationism is 100% impossible as you claim and also don't say I don't understand science because I most certainly do. Rash assumptions are for bigots.
@sngcoach Still, you can't deny the positive societal ramifications that Creationism's public teaching in America had on our society as outlined in my previous comment, and since neither Creation nor evolution can be directly proved 100%, both are still technically valid schools of thought regarding origins on even the highest scholarly/scientific levels, so why shouldn't they both be taught? Your argument just isn't convincing enough in my opinion.
@sngcoach Well don't you think that it should be 50/50 in the sense that both creationism and evolution should be taught side-by-side in public schools so that children can make up their minds on what to believe for themselves after hearing both sides of the story equally? Also, it's a pretty interesting fact that America as a whole was much more morally sound and economically successful (save for the Great Depression) prior to 1950, which is when evolution became much more commonly taught here.
@Firelmp There are not two sides to the story, there is science and then there are hundreds of religious creation stories. Do you want your childern taught the Islam story so ''that children can make up their minds on what to believe for themselves ''
Should we teach the earth is flat like the bible says or round and let the childern decide.
Why is it that some hardcore atheists can't just understand that there will always be those who refuse to believe what they believe and that it's impossible to "force" anyone to believe anything as fact (even Creationism)?
@gregrutz Of course gravity is a fact. Who'd be stupid enough to deny that? Anyway, what's a YEC? Also, you can't 100% scientifically "prove" the Bible as being either right or wrong. All you can do is choose whether or not you want to put your faith in it and that's it (although there are many archeological records that strongly beg to differ against the claims of unbelievers)!
@gregrutz Again, that's a faith-based issue. Any supernatural aspects of ANY religion can be neither proved nor disproved simply because if they were true, there would be no physical/scientific evidence for us to work with. It all just comes down to whether we decide to place our faith in them or not.
@Firelmp The reason I am calling you stupid is because you don't get it. A flood would leave evidence, a mud layer all over the earth. There is none. The geology of the earth proves there was no flood, it is not a matter of faith. It is a fact there is no evidence for a flood.
@gregrutz If there's no evidence of the Flood, then that makes it a faith-based issue now, doesn't it? Besides, there is some degree of at least tentative evidence of a possible worldwide flood.
@gregrutz It's awfully mean of you to say that! Over two billion people worldwide claim to believe in that Book one way or another and you just insulted them all in one fell swoop. How could you be so detesting of them like that?
@gregrutz Ah, you see, those first four verses are part of the old Mosaic law that was repudiated by Jesus in the New Testament. However, the first Timothy verse only applies to direct rulings within the church institution (but not in the household or workplace) and the Titus verse only applies to a slaveholder if slavery is accepted by one's culture (although slavery is always to be rejected by a truly merciful Christian person and slaves must always be treated humanely if slavery is allowed).
@Firelmp It was something gregrutz said to you. I was just agreeing with him and seconding the notion that you and all other thiests are stupid and such loosers you cant even began to see the fallicies and uselessness of any of your arguements. Especially when all you can do is quote the bible lol....
@Firelmp Ha you dont even know what sad really is what are you a cupcake?? That just goes to show you, everything you say in cyber space can come back to haunt you. If you dont stand behind your god or statements remove them.
@Firelmp Why we cut you too much slack the last 2000 years I will never understand!! It is one of the pitfalls of beliveing something so silly that others might just belive its a pile of poop. Maturity and decency have nothing to do with it. I dont have to be respectful or show any respect towards something that deserves none speaking of your God and Religion.
@Firelmp Now you are playing stupid or what? "We" of corse are the people who dont belive all the religious bull. Tolerance is what people who dont have any good arguments are always crying about waa. Nope No quarter granted.
@berrywoke I don't believe in evolution, but you don't see me going around on a bunch of evolutionary videos and starting up conflict there now, do you? Too bad you probably can't say the same for yourself when it comes to giving theists problems on their videos.
@Firelmp Well as a matter of fact that is exactly where you are right now. I know you are a tool but do you have to make it so obvious?? Correct would be You dont understand evolution and are so poorly educated you never may. Creationst Tool!!!!!
@berrywoke I do understand evolution very well. No matter how much supposed "evidence" comes up, it never truly fits the bill for people like me 'cause faith is stronger than man's lies, assumptions, and theories will ever be! ;) Plus, it all seems like a desperately foolish attempt to rebel against what God says in the Bible about the universe's origins.
@Firelmp No faith is only blind. God didnt say anything in the bible. It is exactly what you said its all lies and assumptions your bible and beliefs are the biggest joke and its on you.
@berrywoke I didn't say those things about myself. All you did is prove just how devious and manipulative you can be as a person by twisting my statement to mean whatever you want it to mean due to your own incompetance to come up with a better response. :P
@Firelmp I do not understand your confusion I suppose it stems with your warped view of reality. You said faith is stronger........... All I did was respond to that. Do you have it straight now or do you intend to stick to some claim as stupid as your belief or my lol incompetance? Talk about not haveing a argument What god said in the bible???? You cant find a more incompetant argument than that!!
@berrywoke Methinks you enjoy picking fights on Youtube just for kicks. Regardless, genuine faith in God is stronger than virtually anything else known (besides pure love, since God IS love and chapter thirteen in 1 Corinthians says that "the greatest of these is charity/love"). Also, not letting a Christian use the Bible to defend his own beliefs is like not letting an atheist use all of the supposed "proof" for evolution to defend his own beliefs, so why do that?
@Firelmp Youthinks??? Now thats a laugh! Faith is ya sure superhuman whatever say something with substanance or nothing at all. Eveloution is testable verifiable for everyone. Your bible is not you cant quote a fairy tale to prove something is real or factual but since you and your kind refuse to accept or understand what demonstrable proof is their will be no hope for you. And you will always be on the looser end of every discussion about creation and evolution.
@berrywoke Perhaps we're all "losers" from your point of view, but just keep on believing that's true, and in the very end, we'll REALLY see who the "losers" are! ;)
hahahah...some idiot framed the imagination of evolution.....its quite sad people dont believe evidence dating back thousands of year written in bible, but rather listen to some fictions made 150yrs ago..and get it in heart people its not bloody science..its a clever nonsense...
@yinweichen i think its more like these fundie creationists suck. jesus said there would be many that come in his name but he knows them not.. and this creationist group falls into that catagory
It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove or disprove the past with science. Evolution uses as much religion (possibly more) that Creationism. I don't know of any Evolutionists that did not start out with a bias.
@KingWithoutaCause Lets say you walked through a door today. There were no witnesses or pictures or videos of you doing so. No one can prove that you DID walk through the door, however, It can be proved that you are capable of walking through a door.
@TheRobEarhart The proof that I walked through the door is the fact that I'm on the other side? Lol. Yes I am capable of walking through a door. I'm also capable of killing someone but I didn't. Being capable of doing something is nowhere near proof that you ACTUALLY did it.
@TheRobEarhart You just used the word ASSUME. It can be reasonable to assume something this miniscule. Even though I never assume anything. I actually PROVE it or just don't believe it without reason. This doesn't apply to your god who is a SUPERNATURAL being. If someone said they walked through the door, you'd assume they were telling the truth right? What if they said they magically appeared there? Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence except for the gullible.
@KingWithoutaCause You are assuming you are correct, or else you would not continue this debate. Whether you admit it or not, you have faith. If you are sitting in a chair while reading this, you have faith that it will not collapse with you on it. That is probably a reasoned faith, but faith none-the-less.
@TheRobEarhart That made no sense. Unlike you I don't ASSUME that I'm correct. That's not why I debate. If I assumed I was correct then there would be NO reason to debate. Lol. I debate to gain knowledge and other stand others viewpoints as well as try to explain my own. I do have faith, I already said that. Like I said it's reasonable to assume something MINISCULE. But I don't have faith in extraordinary claims. That's a giant gap in logic there.
Americans need to put a stop to these religious retards before they ruin America by turning it into a religious state, These people are no better than the Muslim fundamentalists (Taliban) in some countries that want to run the country by sharia law, it is exactly the same thing. Religious fundamentalism is a bad thing, regardless of what religion it is.
Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a women with lust you have committed adultery with here in your heart.
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Does this concern you? The Bible says despise the value of your eye compared to the value of your soul. would u sell your eye for a million dollars? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. needgod.com
@NationOfJames Sorry you feel that way.Freedom of expression you have strict controls according to the progressive chain of thought.They seem to feel ideas need to pass thier conformity test in order to be branded with validity.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions tons of Earth soil)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or living cell works, but it's irrational to believe that undirected natural laws can bring about an airplane or a living cell. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can ex
@Firelmp If you say that atheism is a minority... You obviously haven't traveled to Canada and Quebec... ... And I almost forgot : If God is everything and nothing and all knowing... Why does he gets mad?... Not being able to know, while you should know is an imperfection.
Poodleinacan 1 day ago
@Firelmp If God is love... Why did he ordered horrible genocides and killed 99%of everything on the planet? You know nothing!
Poodleinacan 1 day ago
just some advice, the music is awesome but kinda too loud, can't hear when ppl talk :S
TheGrimReapress 3 days ago
Comment removed
lovingthetruth7 5 days ago
Comment removed
lovingthetruth7 5 days ago
Hey berrywoke, check out who's got the number one comment on here now! ^^
Firelmp 1 week ago 3
@Firelmp I knew you were childish but now it is obvious you are a child. The top comment is important for you? Well you must be really proud of yourself now lol.
berrywoke 1 week ago
@Firelmp And you are such a Dork you dont even realize what the top comment is your pole position is fleeting and other comments on this thread have 19 - 49 thumbs up you are no way near that You will dissapear as fast as you apeared kind of like your fairy tale god
.
berrywoke 1 week ago
@berrywoke I'm definitely not a child. I'm just trying to point out that there are many more people that would agree with me than you on this issue.
Firelmp 1 week ago 6
@Firelmp Do you really think that matters? Two wrongs dont make a right. And like I said 8 likes for sure dont make you special I looked back in the thread and a athiest that dosent agree with you has 49 likes. So it sounds to me like you got some work to do. And since your statement has nothing to do with agreeing with you or I. Your statement is just as irrational as your views on creation. The museam in one big disgusting joke and anyone who tells children it is true are child abusers.
berrywoke 1 week ago
@berrywoke Of course not, I'm just pointing out that atheists are a relatively small minority and that Christians are the dominant worldwide majority as of now. As for your completely irrational statement on Creation-believing children, I've been raised to believe that as the truth that I know it to be and always will, so are you calling my parents "child abusers" by making such an erroneous statement as that?
Firelmp 1 week ago 4
@Firelmp Yes that is exactly what I am saying. I understand after years of brainwashing and indoctrination you can hardly help yourself. But maybe just maybe you will get it straight sooner or later.
berrywoke 1 week ago
@Firelmp Christians are NOT the worldwide majority.Get a grip, pull yer head out of the sand..Question, did your parents adhere to the Santa Claus story when you were a child? The world does not revolve around mid America. Wake up.
trellzaboppin 1 week ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@trellzaboppin I never "conceded" anything-- the truth of the Bible is the only real truth regardless of how one was raised, and how one was raised only explains what they probably believe in, not whether or not the Bible is true or not. :-P You don't need to put your faith in empirical evidence if it's true empirical evidence 'cause it's a proven fact, therefore it doesn't require faith, and how is what I said about Muslims believing in creationism too funny?!? :-/
CharlieWolf5 1 week ago 3
@trellzaboppin Not a whole lot, no. Still, it's a statistically proven fact that there are more people in the world who are or at least claim to be Christian than any other religion (although Islam is growing surprisingly fast nowadays), so don't come crying to me over accurate data.
Firelmp 1 week ago 3
Like if you agree that this "museum" should be torn down.
TasteOfVengeance5 1 week ago
@TasteOfVengeance5 Well dont tear it down just have the Bullshit removed. I know it would be mostly empty after that but then it could be refilled with real knowledge!!
berrywoke 1 week ago
Why are evolutionist athiests trying so hard to spread their evil, (making idiots of themselves in the process), to keep people from God if according to what they believe, we all won't exist after death anyway. What a pathetic and cowardice thing to do, and even more pathetic and cowardice is using "evolutionary reason" as a shield. Truly it is obvious that this is Satan at work, with God raised up against his lies. Praise the mighty wonderful name of JESUS CHRIST, RULER of Heaven and Earth!!!
lovingthetruth7 2 weeks ago
@lovingthetruth7 You seem to be using the term "evolutionist atheist" often. Let me point a few out a few things:
1. All "evolutionists" are not atheists. Even among evolutionary scientists, there are a number of people who are religious. Evolution has nothing to do with atheism.
2. All major denominations of Christianity accept evolution - they call it "Theistic evolution"
3. Atheism has nothing to do with evolution, atheism is a lack of belief in God(s)
rpk58 6 days ago
Comment removed
lovingthetruth7 5 days ago
Comment removed
lovingthetruth7 5 days ago
Comment removed
lovingthetruth7 5 days ago
Comment removed
lovingthetruth7 5 days ago
If evolutionist athiests all believe that everyone dies and goes to the dirt, and has no eternal purpose, then what difference does it make what any single human believes?? Especially when those beliefs make that person a good and better person if they actually live according to the Bible and are saved. I know why they behave in such a way, it is because they know God exists, and they are choosing to be his enemy not his child. They are serving the enemy, trying to keep people from God.
lovingthetruth7 2 weeks ago
@lovingthetruth7 The difference is that humans are social animals, and to live in a society, we need to cooperate with each other, be good to each other, avoid behaviors that harm others and society. That is why societies make up rules. Any society that disobeys this and let anarchy rule, will disintegrate and destroy themselves..We are here because our ancestors chose to exhibit good behavior.
rpk58 2 weeks ago
@rpk58 You didn't answer the question I posted, and if this was your response in full, I am not suprisingly disappointed as there is no good or accepted response that any athiest evolutionist can give to that qustion. However, you are exactly right about what you did post!! Except for the people are animals part of course, and about society being the first to create rules. God was the first to give us commandments, because we are not animals, but we choose to act like "them" in our sin.
lovingthetruth7 1 week ago 2
@lovingthetruth7 Sure, uhhu ya right what ever you say????
berrywoke 1 week ago
@lovingthetruth7 Do you even know what classifies an organism as animal?
And evolution has no correlation with atheism. Someone can be an atheist and not believe in evolution (which is extremely rare).
XxI3ioHazardxX 1 week ago
@lovingthetruth7 I thought I answered your question. I was explaining that morals are a social construct, but perhaps you were expecting a different answer. So let me take another crack at it.
What difference does it make what any single person believes, especially if those beliefs make that person good? No difference. I am not at all opposed to any tool that you can use to be a better person. My question to you is this - Are you concerned about the truth of your beliefs? (Contd
rpk58 6 days ago
Comment removed
lovingthetruth7 5 days ago
@lovingthetruth7 I was hoping it wont happen, but I now realize that was wishful thinking. What I am talking about is about you calling me an ignoramus and moron. Always happens when I debate with theists. When you run out of arguments, or when you find that you dont have a logical come back, you start insulting me. So typical. Counter my arguments if you can instead of resorting to foul language.
rpk58 5 days ago
@lovingthetruth7 ..(Contd)..
When you say "live according to Bible" I hope you are not serious. Because if you strictly follow Bible then you will have to stone your son for disobedience, you will have to accept that slavery is acceptable, etc. 2000 years ago these may have been morally acceptable practices, but now they aren't. What changed? Society. Morals change as society evolves - you can find any number of examples - slavery, women's rights, child labor,...(Contd)
rpk58 6 days ago
Comment removed
lovingthetruth7 5 days ago
@lovingthetruth7 Yeah, more insults. I am not speaking for anybody else, I am speaking for myself. If what I speak doesnt agree with your notions of how a "atheist evolutionist" should speak, then let that be a lesson to you. I challenge you. Debate me instead of bad-mouthing me, if you are capable of doing that. I am the first to admit that I may be wrong on many things; prove it to me through logic and evidence. If you cannot do that then please dont embarass yourself again
rpk58 5 days ago
@lovingthetruth7 (Contd)..when you try to impose your religious belief into the science class room, then I have a problem with it.
Hope I have answered your question. If you still have questions, please feel free to reply.
rpk58 6 days ago
Comment removed
lovingthetruth7 5 days ago
only in delusional america
phildirt3 2 weeks ago
@phildirt3 Hey, our country's still greater than any European one in most ways!!!!! :-P
CharlieWolf5 2 weeks ago
@CharlieWolf5 it used to be not any more
phildirt3 2 weeks ago
@CharlieWolf5
Deluded. Science will prevail. Fact.
trellzaboppin 2 weeks ago
@trellzaboppin Are you implying that America is deluded?!? -_-
CharlieWolf5 2 weeks ago 2
@CharlieWolf5
How can I imply 'America is deluded'? It's a land mass, it is neither deluded, or rational. Fact.What I am pointing out is your belief is down to your own personal culture. You would not have this creationist slant on things if you were brought up Muslm, Hindu, Zaorastrian or Buddhist, correct? It took the Catholic church hundreds of years to forgive Galileo and Copernicus for stating scientific FACT.
trellzaboppin 1 week ago
@trellzaboppin Perhaps, but you must remember that Galileo and Copernicus were also Christians back in their day-- they just disagreed with the church on scientific reasons because they personally observed obvious facts. :-P Of course if I was raised differently I'd have different beliefs (although Muslims still believe in creationism by Allah instead of the Christian God), but know this-- I'm eternally thankful for being raised to know the Truth 'cause then I might never have known it!!!!! ^-^
CharlieWolf5 1 week ago 2
@CharlieWolf5 They were christian because they didn't know any better at the time, pre-enlightement. You have already conceded that your 'Truth' is down to your upbringing/geography. I put my faith in empirical evidence, not some unsubstantiated fairy story, be it bible, koran or whatever. 'Muslims still believe in creationism by Allah instead of the Christian God'.. That made me laugh!! I have no need to kow-tow to a mythical diety, whatever brand of 'morality' they may offer.
trellzaboppin 1 week ago
@trellzaboppin I never "conceded" anything-- the truth of the Bible is the only real truth regardless of how one was raised, and how one was raised only explains what they probably believe in, not whether or not the Bible is true or not. :-P You don't need to put your faith in empirical evidence if it's true empirical evidence 'cause it's a proven fact, therefore it doesn't require faith, and how is what I said about Muslims believing in creationism too funny?!? :-/
CharlieWolf5 1 week ago
Ecclesiastes 3:11..."He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." This discredits man's prideful assumption that they can disprove, argue, or discover with surety these answers to the age and origin of our planet or universe, contrary to His word, here long before they were.
chriswooten7 2 weeks ago
at 2:58 , the protestors show they are JUST AS FULL OF IT as the idiot creationists: there are no atheist terrorists? Ever hear of the Red Brigades in Italy? All of them were atheist. Or how about James Lee who took over the Discovery Channel HQ, he was a hardcore atheist. Countering the lies of the fundies with lies of your own is NOT going to win the argument.
mysticresistence 3 weeks ago
creationists are subhumans and this video proves it.
NegativeBeef 3 weeks ago
I could laugh my butt off! How many of the Christians have actually read and interpreted the fairy tale book called the bible by themselves. What they should put into the museum is some descriptions of the old testament! Actually, when you really think about it, all offspring from the fictional Adam and Eve were involved in incest, brother and sister, and I wouldn't be surprised if Adam slept with his daughters and Eve with her sons.
Nevermore1953 1 month ago
@Nevermore1953 You're speculating as to what MAY have happened between two people you don't believe existed? WTF...
richig761 2 weeks ago
@richig761 I am not speculating about anything! IF, and only if, those 2 people described in the fairy tale really existed, then the only reasonable explanation is that incest must have happened! And please refrain from WTFing me! It's not becoming of a Christian!
Nevermore1953 2 weeks ago
@Nevermore1953 Yes, obviously. The point is that you're talking about two people you don't believe in as if they existed. Those two people never existed... evolution makes it impossible for the first human beings to have existed only six to ten thousands of years ago. C'mon... you're an atheist too. You should know this.
richig761 2 weeks ago
@richig761 Hahahahaha! I think I misinterpreted your earlier post! I thought you tried to convince me that they did! There you see how easy it is to read into something when the author intended to say something completely different. Ahhh, virtual is not real!
Nevermore1953 2 weeks ago
Dear Nicole Smallkowski: I am yours forever.
PaladinHero 1 month ago
Is this the tune from Bo Burnhams song 'Rant' ???? btw if you're atheist look it up... if you're a creationist then go read a fucking book
Rdburnzy 1 month ago
Comment removed
Rdburnzy 1 month ago
I think it was an episode of "Cosmos" where they break it down like this.
Major religions span from
2000 BCE-------------->, where as Modern Science only started a few hundred years ago and spans to today.
kingcarcas1349 1 month ago
i am a catholic, and it pains me to see how stupid some religious people are. they dont even understand basic science
averagegamer3201 1 month ago
Oh yeah, science...how the earth was created by a giant explosion of nothing into something, how a meteor killed all dinosaurs but nothing else on earth (and me don't have the crater), no explanation for the ozone layer's creation, no evidence of evolution yet. I can go on and on... THAT MUST BE REAL SCIENCE.
RebelSoldat1 1 month ago
@RebelSoldat1 suck my weiner
onlychance6 1 month ago
@RebelSoldat1 "something from nothing"
"no explanation for ozone"
"dont have a crater"
no evidence for evolution"
It's actually impressive how misinformed you are. I pity you sir.
Dayoldsushy 1 month ago 3
@Dayoldsushy Could you please give me viable evidence from your theories?
RebelSoldat1 1 month ago
@RebelSoldat1 I didn't state any theories. I stated a fact that you are misinformed. Go do some actual research. What you claim is demonstrably false and you don't understand what science is.
Dayoldsushy 1 month ago 3
No evidence for evolution? seriously? People are still thinking evolution is still uncertain in 2012! Wow.
landesdesign 3 weeks ago
@landesdesign Ya it's sad.
Dayoldsushy 3 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@landesdesign Ya it's sad.
Dayoldsushy 3 weeks ago
@landesdesign Doesn't that very statement contradict questioning everything, searching for error in assumptions, the very essence of science, just like occurred when the theory was first entertained? Let us not overlook Darwin's theory was accepted by a world unaware of the intricacy of DNA-RNA transcription, quantum mechanics, and the appearance of design at the atomic, and even sub-atomic level? Actually, it seems man's theory requires huge leaps of faith, and worthy of the fairy-tale title.
chriswooten7 2 weeks ago
mother fuckers! ugh how i hate fucking Religious bastards >,< making this world more stupid
rudycorona1 1 month ago
A "creationist museum"? This country is DOOMED.
dkthg 2 months ago 2
@dkthg might want to rethink of 'country' buddy
zupazora 1 month ago
@zupazora VIVA ZUPAZORA!!!
dkthg 1 month ago
@dkthg lol XD
zupazora 1 month ago
I went and loved it! and just as mr smowolski's son said we shouldnt lie, see he is a very smart young man, he even knows one of the commandments. Last i checked this is the Land of the Free... I dont object to them protesting. God help them to understand. When a person says "i believe" that is when you know they dont want to know the truth, they have their own ideas and they are their own god.
forgiveeveryone 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@sngcoach So are you telling me that science can't answer that question?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach All I want to know from you is... where did life come from? Forget the rest.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp It is called Abiogenesis. Life is just a complex chemical reaction. Life evolved with the earth.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz So what's the point of life if that were true?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp spend your time worshiping god and praying, is that why we are here?
I didn't know life was supposed to have a point.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz Well why wouldn't it? Besides, just because that's one of our primary callings in life doesn't mean that we can't enjoy ourselves every now and then too!
Firelmp 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Firelmp ''one of our primary callings in life'' Really? Please name the rest of ''our callings''.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@sngcoach I'm going off of what I recall from high school and elsewhere, but if they've changed the definition of certain terms since then, how should I know? I can't stay on top of everything because I have a life too you know!
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach Isn't that called bacterial/viral mutation because I don't consider mutations to be a type of evolution per se, and even if it was, it still doesn't explain the fundamental question of "where did life come from".
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach Then what's the difference between a theory and a law? Also, don't high school science classes amount to anything? I'll have you know that my final average for all my high school level science classes was in the 99-100% range pal. However, if you're expecting me to remember everything I learned perfectly and/or have the mentality of a fully groomed, learned scientist with a graduate degree, then you're out of luck, but hey, what kind of person do you expect to talk to here, Einstein?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach Oh really? If that's the case, then where DID life come from?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach What I meant by that is that they're wanting to eliminate religious thought completely through the mass propagation of evolution, not turning evolution itself into a religion. Also, how does finding cures for diseases have anything to do with evolution and why is evolution still only considered as being a theory, not a law (which proves it's not 100% true because a theory has yet to be completely proven)?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach Don't forget that what I'm talking about here is evolution of one entire kind of creature into another (such as a fish into a frog, a crocodile into an eagle, etc.), not "small-scale" evolution.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach You have to at least admit that it's ultimately a matter of faith and one's personal preference on what they want to believe as being true either way. Also, you do know that the mathematical likelihood that everything could evolve on it's own to be exactly as complex as it is today is virtually zero, right? Besides, how could anything come from nothing without divine intervention coming into play?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach I'd love to hear about some of this supposed "induction" if you don't mind my asking.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach I wouldn't put it beyond them to create some kind of conspiracy out of evolution as a means to do away with all religion. Plus, if you can't directly observe and experiment with the evolutionary process, then it can't be possible and is not even worthy enough to be considered as true science. You must remember that a scientist is just as human as the rest of us and susceptible to committing vice as much as anyone can. Finally, "proving" Creation is a mix of faith and indirect evidence!
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach Ah, so this is what you come down to responding with once you've finally been caught in a little "logic trap", isn't it? ;)
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach You have to remember though that all those things are easily proven scientific observations while evolution is mere speculation that one cannot directly prove, only deduce. However, not every deduction is always correct, so you should look at every single possible scenario when dealing with the question of universal origins and decide which one makes the most sense before making any judgment calls upon one who disagrees, with the supernatural explanation for origins being most logical.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach So, that little scenario is called "Pascal's wager" now, is it? Wasn't Blaise Pascal a famously brilliant Christian French mathematician? Anyway, did you know that it used to be illegal to teach evolution in public schools prior to 1950 in America? It used to be crazy to openly believe in evolution, and now it's starting to become the opposite in some cases. Also, you do know that it's the museum founder's constitutional right to open that kind of establishment in our society, correct?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach What country is that? Also, consider this scenario: from a neutral perspective, if a Christian and an atheist die and there's no God after all, they both go to oblivion after death, but if there IS a God after all, the Christian goes to Heaven for eternity while the atheist goes to Hell for eternity; ergo, it's much more logically sound to die a Christian than an unbeliever since at the very least they're even and at the very most the Christian has the advantage over the atheist. Well?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach Okay now, I see where you're coming from with that, but still, don't you think that one of the main things the Christian faith does for people is give them an excellent incentive to behave mannerly and ethically in society as best they can? What's so wrong with that?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach I haven't ever specifically studied any collegiate branch of science if that's what you mean, but I do understand concepts like the scientific method, theories/laws, etc., so don't just assume I don't. Why don't you define exactly what said difference is for me so I don't have to spend my time Googling it? I only said that bigot statement because I don't want our little discussion here to turn into an immature "flame war" if you know what I mean.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach It's an obvious sociological fact that America had much lower rates of crime, alcoholism, drug abuse, divorce, etc., so look that up and find out the statistics for yourself. As for the rest of what you said, try to "prove" just how Creationism is 100% impossible as you claim and also don't say I don't understand science because I most certainly do. Rash assumptions are for bigots.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach Still, you can't deny the positive societal ramifications that Creationism's public teaching in America had on our society as outlined in my previous comment, and since neither Creation nor evolution can be directly proved 100%, both are still technically valid schools of thought regarding origins on even the highest scholarly/scientific levels, so why shouldn't they both be taught? Your argument just isn't convincing enough in my opinion.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@sngcoach Well don't you think that it should be 50/50 in the sense that both creationism and evolution should be taught side-by-side in public schools so that children can make up their minds on what to believe for themselves after hearing both sides of the story equally? Also, it's a pretty interesting fact that America as a whole was much more morally sound and economically successful (save for the Great Depression) prior to 1950, which is when evolution became much more commonly taught here.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp There are not two sides to the story, there is science and then there are hundreds of religious creation stories. Do you want your childern taught the Islam story so ''that children can make up their minds on what to believe for themselves ''
Should we teach the earth is flat like the bible says or round and let the childern decide.
gregrutz 2 months ago
Why is it that some hardcore atheists can't just understand that there will always be those who refuse to believe what they believe and that it's impossible to "force" anyone to believe anything as fact (even Creationism)?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp ''always be those who refuse to believe what they believe '' WTF?!?
Did you learn that is bible study? Logic class?
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz What's your problem with what I said there? I see nothing wrong with it as of right now.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp Gravity is a fact. Scientists, not atheists, are the ones who prove the bible wrong.
You can educate people, well most people, I am not sure about YECs.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz Of course gravity is a fact. Who'd be stupid enough to deny that? Anyway, what's a YEC? Also, you can't 100% scientifically "prove" the Bible as being either right or wrong. All you can do is choose whether or not you want to put your faith in it and that's it (although there are many archeological records that strongly beg to differ against the claims of unbelievers)!
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp You can prove there was never a global flood. Read a Geology book.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz Again, that's a faith-based issue. Any supernatural aspects of ANY religion can be neither proved nor disproved simply because if they were true, there would be no physical/scientific evidence for us to work with. It all just comes down to whether we decide to place our faith in them or not.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp No, geologic facts are not faith based dummy.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz I meant the whole believing in the Flood thing, not geology. Also, why must you call me a name for simply stating a fact?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp The reason I am calling you stupid is because you don't get it. A flood would leave evidence, a mud layer all over the earth. There is none. The geology of the earth proves there was no flood, it is not a matter of faith. It is a fact there is no evidence for a flood.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz If there's no evidence of the Flood, then that makes it a faith-based issue now, doesn't it? Besides, there is some degree of at least tentative evidence of a possible worldwide flood.
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp If there is no evidence for a flood, the means there was no flood. Reality has nothing to do with your faith.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz So you're not saying that having faith in such things is stupid, right?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp Correct. To ignore the facts and believe in a 2000 year old book is....
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz It's awfully mean of you to say that! Over two billion people worldwide claim to believe in that Book one way or another and you just insulted them all in one fell swoop. How could you be so detesting of them like that?
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp you are the one who believes...
- If you work on a Sabbath, you should be killed [Exodus 31:15]
- If your son disobeys you, murder him [Deut 21:18 -21]
- Sell your daughter into slavery to pay the bills [Exodus 21:7]
- If your children curse you, kill them [Lev. 20:9]
- Women are subservient, they must remain silent [1 Tim 2:11-12]
- Slaves must perform any act you wish [Titus 2:9]
gregrutz 2 months ago 3
@gregrutz Ah, you see, those first four verses are part of the old Mosaic law that was repudiated by Jesus in the New Testament. However, the first Timothy verse only applies to direct rulings within the church institution (but not in the household or workplace) and the Titus verse only applies to a slaveholder if slavery is accepted by one's culture (although slavery is always to be rejected by a truly merciful Christian person and slaves must always be treated humanely if slavery is allowed).
Firelmp 2 months ago
@Firelmp Why not?? I second the insult!!
berrywoke 2 weeks ago
@berrywoke What insult?
Firelmp 2 weeks ago 2
@Firelmp It was something gregrutz said to you. I was just agreeing with him and seconding the notion that you and all other thiests are stupid and such loosers you cant even began to see the fallicies and uselessness of any of your arguements. Especially when all you can do is quote the bible lol....
berrywoke 2 weeks ago
@berrywoke Wow, that was months ago and you're still coming on here just to call me names when I've done nothing wrong to you personally? How sad.
Firelmp 2 weeks ago 3
@Firelmp Ha you dont even know what sad really is what are you a cupcake?? That just goes to show you, everything you say in cyber space can come back to haunt you. If you dont stand behind your god or statements remove them.
berrywoke 1 week ago
@berrywoke Of course I stand behind them wholeheartedly. I just expect a little more maturity and decency from you unbelievers, that's all. :P
Firelmp 1 week ago 3
@Firelmp Good point brother!!!!! ^-^
CharlieWolf5 1 week ago 3
@CharlieWolf5 No problem! ^^
Firelmp 1 week ago 2
@Firelmp Why we cut you too much slack the last 2000 years I will never understand!! It is one of the pitfalls of beliveing something so silly that others might just belive its a pile of poop. Maturity and decency have nothing to do with it. I dont have to be respectful or show any respect towards something that deserves none speaking of your God and Religion.
berrywoke 1 week ago
@berrywoke Who's "we", and haven't you ever heard of the phrase "tolerance without agreement" before?
Firelmp 1 week ago 12
@Firelmp Now you are playing stupid or what? "We" of corse are the people who dont belive all the religious bull. Tolerance is what people who dont have any good arguments are always crying about waa. Nope No quarter granted.
berrywoke 1 week ago
@berrywoke I don't believe in evolution, but you don't see me going around on a bunch of evolutionary videos and starting up conflict there now, do you? Too bad you probably can't say the same for yourself when it comes to giving theists problems on their videos.
Firelmp 1 week ago
@Firelmp Well as a matter of fact that is exactly where you are right now. I know you are a tool but do you have to make it so obvious?? Correct would be You dont understand evolution and are so poorly educated you never may. Creationst Tool!!!!!
berrywoke 1 week ago
@berrywoke I do understand evolution very well. No matter how much supposed "evidence" comes up, it never truly fits the bill for people like me 'cause faith is stronger than man's lies, assumptions, and theories will ever be! ;) Plus, it all seems like a desperately foolish attempt to rebel against what God says in the Bible about the universe's origins.
Firelmp 1 week ago
@Firelmp No faith is only blind. God didnt say anything in the bible. It is exactly what you said its all lies and assumptions your bible and beliefs are the biggest joke and its on you.
berrywoke 1 week ago
@berrywoke I didn't say those things about myself. All you did is prove just how devious and manipulative you can be as a person by twisting my statement to mean whatever you want it to mean due to your own incompetance to come up with a better response. :P
Firelmp 1 week ago
@Firelmp I do not understand your confusion I suppose it stems with your warped view of reality. You said faith is stronger........... All I did was respond to that. Do you have it straight now or do you intend to stick to some claim as stupid as your belief or my lol incompetance? Talk about not haveing a argument What god said in the bible???? You cant find a more incompetant argument than that!!
berrywoke 1 week ago
@berrywoke Methinks you enjoy picking fights on Youtube just for kicks. Regardless, genuine faith in God is stronger than virtually anything else known (besides pure love, since God IS love and chapter thirteen in 1 Corinthians says that "the greatest of these is charity/love"). Also, not letting a Christian use the Bible to defend his own beliefs is like not letting an atheist use all of the supposed "proof" for evolution to defend his own beliefs, so why do that?
Firelmp 1 week ago
@Firelmp Youthinks??? Now thats a laugh! Faith is ya sure superhuman whatever say something with substanance or nothing at all. Eveloution is testable verifiable for everyone. Your bible is not you cant quote a fairy tale to prove something is real or factual but since you and your kind refuse to accept or understand what demonstrable proof is their will be no hope for you. And you will always be on the looser end of every discussion about creation and evolution.
berrywoke 1 week ago
@berrywoke Perhaps we're all "losers" from your point of view, but just keep on believing that's true, and in the very end, we'll REALLY see who the "losers" are! ;)
Firelmp 1 week ago 3
@Firelmp LOL ya keep waiting and wasting your life. We really dont want to share any of the fun with "All You Losers" Anyway....Tool
berrywoke 1 week ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Step Right Up Ladies and Gentlemen to Evolution,
The Greatest Show On Earth!
1913 Piltdown Man, he is your ancestor and is the "missing link" that satisfied "irrefutable evidence".....
1953 whoops, he's a planted HOAX......
1913 - 2011, No legitimate "missing link" just a series of diabolical frauds....
2011 - The Show Must Go On,
Bring In the Clowns, claiming to be scientists
waketheoblivious 2 months ago
hahahah...some idiot framed the imagination of evolution.....its quite sad people dont believe evidence dating back thousands of year written in bible, but rather listen to some fictions made 150yrs ago..and get it in heart people its not bloody science..its a clever nonsense...
jango143ful 3 months ago
My great, great, great Grandpa was a rock- that sounds reasonable, lol
agnostaxian 3 months ago
The creation museum is the proof that
1. A perfect god does not exist; or
2. God exist, but he sucks.
yinweichen 3 months ago
@yinweichen i think its more like these fundie creationists suck. jesus said there would be many that come in his name but he knows them not.. and this creationist group falls into that catagory
scorand 3 months ago
Man,this is GREAT!A Creationist Museum!!!We dont have this kind of stuff down here in Brazil!Not that we need one.
kafkazinho 3 months ago
So can someone tell me what the banner said at 0:50?
OwMyHip 3 months ago
Crikey, I can't believe there are that many Americans who follow reason and logic. Well done people!
plonk220a 3 months ago
Evolution was DISCOVERED not created!
It can be thoroughly tracked and proven by anyone with half a brain to look.Visited a real museum and you'll see why.
jravage77 3 months ago
It is IMPOSSIBLE to prove or disprove the past with science. Evolution uses as much religion (possibly more) that Creationism. I don't know of any Evolutionists that did not start out with a bias.
TheRobEarhart 3 months ago
@TheRobEarhart
You have no idea what science is - read some books and get educated.
MrJohndl 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@TheRobEarhart
You have no idea what science is - read some books and get educated.
MrJohndl 3 months ago
@TheRobEarhart You don't know ANYTHING about evolution or science. P.S. There is no such thing as an "evolutionist". Are you a "gravationist"? Lol.
KingWithoutaCause 3 months ago
@KingWithoutaCause Lets say you walked through a door today. There were no witnesses or pictures or videos of you doing so. No one can prove that you DID walk through the door, however, It can be proved that you are capable of walking through a door.
TheRobEarhart 3 months ago
@TheRobEarhart The proof that I walked through the door is the fact that I'm on the other side? Lol. Yes I am capable of walking through a door. I'm also capable of killing someone but I didn't. Being capable of doing something is nowhere near proof that you ACTUALLY did it.
KingWithoutaCause 3 months ago
@KingWithoutaCause Yes, but it would be reasonable to assume that you did.
TheRobEarhart 3 months ago
@TheRobEarhart You just used the word ASSUME. It can be reasonable to assume something this miniscule. Even though I never assume anything. I actually PROVE it or just don't believe it without reason. This doesn't apply to your god who is a SUPERNATURAL being. If someone said they walked through the door, you'd assume they were telling the truth right? What if they said they magically appeared there? Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence except for the gullible.
KingWithoutaCause 3 months ago
@KingWithoutaCause You are assuming you are correct, or else you would not continue this debate. Whether you admit it or not, you have faith. If you are sitting in a chair while reading this, you have faith that it will not collapse with you on it. That is probably a reasoned faith, but faith none-the-less.
TheRobEarhart 3 months ago
@TheRobEarhart That made no sense. Unlike you I don't ASSUME that I'm correct. That's not why I debate. If I assumed I was correct then there would be NO reason to debate. Lol. I debate to gain knowledge and other stand others viewpoints as well as try to explain my own. I do have faith, I already said that. Like I said it's reasonable to assume something MINISCULE. But I don't have faith in extraordinary claims. That's a giant gap in logic there.
KingWithoutaCause 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Americans need to put a stop to these religious retards before they ruin America by turning it into a religious state, These people are no better than the Muslim fundamentalists (Taliban) in some countries that want to run the country by sharia law, it is exactly the same thing. Religious fundamentalism is a bad thing, regardless of what religion it is.
ACCSESS247 3 months ago
what a waste of money
CallmeAffiliated 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Are you ready?
Have u lied? Have u stolen? Jesus said if you look at a women with lust you have committed adultery with here in your heart.
If God judge’s u by the Ten Commandments will u be innocent or guilty? Does this concern you? The Bible says despise the value of your eye compared to the value of your soul. would u sell your eye for a million dollars? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. needgod.com
standingontruth1 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Partial list of diabolical "missing link" frauds, presented by Satanists posing as scientists:
1913-53 Piltdown Man HOAX, Manufactured Planted Evidence
Nebraska Man, Discarded Pigs Tooth
Peking Man, Conglomeration of Co-Mingled Fossils
Lucy, Manipulated Fossil Using Plaster
Orce Man, 4 Month Old Donkey Bone
2009 Ida, Grossly Unsupportable Classification
2010 Sebida, equivelant of a deceased PetsMart Gerbil
*Complete morons submit a transitional fossil as the "missing link"
waketheoblivious 4 months ago
As much as im against the museum, they have a right to build it. Welcome to america...
NationOfJames 4 months ago
@NationOfJames Sorry you feel that way.Freedom of expression you have strict controls according to the progressive chain of thought.They seem to feel ideas need to pass thier conformity test in order to be branded with validity.
Pomiferous 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions tons of Earth soil)
Mogley52 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
Mogley52 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
Mogley52 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or living cell works, but it's irrational to believe that undirected natural laws can bring about an airplane or a living cell. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 4 months ago
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can ex