The British Empire had it's time and enjoyed it's status as dominant world power. Now it's our turn. The United States Navy is far larger and more capable than the Royal Navy, our Army and Air Force are larger too. The US is the superpower now.
WWI was primarily won by GB & France (Russia too until their revolution.) The US joined at the very end; other than providing fresh blood, it played very little role.
WWII? America saved no one's "ass" except for it's own, probably wouldn't have even entered had it not been for Japan destroying Pearl. GB saved itself (BoB), fighting alone post fall of France.
As for Hitler's final defeat, that took a combined allied effort with Russia paying the highest price.
@trouzerpants if i recall.. britain was on the backfoot for most of the war.. while france was gone therefore ur coment is voided fo rit is unreliable.. Russia payed the highest price cause their generals sucked and they had 2 guys per rifle.. wtf u cant fight like that
@thelittlemind France was not gone. It was occupied. Resistance fighters played a vital role as well as those French who had been evacuated.
Just being an occupying force took as much resources as was gained by the Nazis.
Listen a word of advice.
Stop pissing upon the contributions of other nations no matter how humble they actually were.Doing so does nothing to promote a positive view of US efforts. Quite the opposite.
Being free with praise & giving due credit to others will get better results
@Eddythebeast666 umm im pissing on ur info cause its false... GB and France in WW1 and WW2 were on their last legs unable to produce anything besides holding out.. im not here to bash anyone out by saying they didnt do anything.. im saying that they were fighting tooth and nail without much progress so dont shit on me mate
@724warlord Why don't you come over and kick our ass now? The Royal Navy wouldn't even be able to get to the US because of our dominant Navy and even if you did you'd have to face our superior Army.
@trouzerpants The question is would the British be able to keep up the war effort without US support in WWI and would the Axis powers fall without America's intervention?
@USMarineRifleman0311 At the end of the war the US Navy was in tatters, either destroyed, captured, or bottled up in port. And the entire merchant fleet had been decimated, ruining the American economy. The Americans targeted weaker, smaller ships that could pose no threat. When the British battleships turned up they generally turned tail and ran before facing destruction, the USS Chesapeake fought, and look what happened there. 11 minutes right?
Ironsides only ever faced off against ships half her size. Whenever she sighted something more equal, she turned tail and fled.
For a more even balance, examine the Shannon vs Chesapeake. Broke reduced Lawrence's ship (fresh outta harbour) to a wreck in about 11 minutes, even though the Shannon was in a decrepit state, having been at sea for months.
Re WWI, although the huge influx of fresh US troops was important, they were green (very inexperienced) and came right at the end when the war was all but over. By then, we'd already invented the tank; along with the RAF (world's first air-force), we'd broken the dead-lock of trench warfare.
WWII took an allied effort to defeat Nazi Germany.
As for your superpower status, your economy is in tatters, burdened by the world's largest debt. Today's world is one of multipolarity.
When Wellington took Badajoz in the spanish/ portuguese border during their war with the French ,the British committed huge atrocities such as looting, Rape, and of course Murder of civilians.
@cylon85912 If you had fought against the empire for these reasons you might have a point but that was never the case.
You don't get to hold our past against us unless you have taken a higher moral path but that just isn't the case. You preformed no better when free of our influence & in fact taught us a few lessons on cruelty.
There would be no USA with out the British Empire. Your lack of respect for the Empire that spawned & nurtured the English colonies just shows you deserve our contempt.
The English are also the first ones to have invented the idea of concentration camps in their war to take gold from the Boers in Africa, they slaughtered women and babies all in the name of their Evil Empire ! The British were exterminating people long before Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The Brits were the first true Nazis, the Brits exterminated the Boers but they never could exterminate Americans! We are good at killing British scum, ask John Lenin from the Beatles LOL!
Pax Britannica was the period of relative peace in Europe (1815–1914) when the British Empire controlled most of the key maritime trade routes and enjoyed unchallenged sea power.
@pucksterz12 The British got to go home to their own country and the United States would eventually become the most powerful nation on earth. The British had had a long run of world domination but eventually that had to end.
The point of contention is the bias in this documentary.
The anti British bigotry that presents events as if this was a war of British aggression.
The actual events of the war which was an American humiliating defeat being carefully managed & edited in to an illusion of American victory.
If you wish to inspire hate towards British stick to our actual crimes. You don't have to take events where we justifiably defended ourselves & lie about it.
I believe you underestimate American resolve of the day. We would have weathered homelessness and pressed on. Had UK pursued the war after 1815, Wellington would have become involved and, with Napoleon defeated, vast legions of experienced troops would have made matters desperate for us. Andrew Jackson was no Wellington, but he exhibited the resolution I'm talking about and was a spellbinding leader. The strutting Brit. officer who slashed the child Jackson with a sword lost the 'War of 1815'.
@Planetar17 Jackson is well known to anyone with Native blood as an Oath breaker & butcher. He was a hate filled monster that didn't limit himself to British. I have no reason to doubt the sword slash story but he didn't need an excuse. He hated everyone. A fine example of an American but I'm surprised you brought him up as he represents everything that was wrong with your emerging nation. Merciless, opportunistic, genocidal, yes a fine leader if such are what you want to found your nation on.
@Eddythebeast666 You disregard why I cited his example. You wrote, 'This war if you didn't stop we were going to kill you all'. I contend that, no, you would not have 'killed us all', because types like Jackson would have been at your throats. I don't approve of Jackson, he was a hothead savage and violated the Constitution as President. I wouldn't want him today or back then to be President. You seem to think because Jackson is morally deficient, one can't pose his impact on the battlefield
@Planetar17 Good point but that is why the war happened in the first place.
The Hawks were in control of US interests. Never mind Jackson why was Madison so blood thirsty?
Where did we have the choice to end the war? We had called an armistice after your first invasion to try to end the war but you used it to launch a second attack.
We had to burn Washington & cut off all ocean trade before you sat down at Ghent.
You didn't respect our peace efforts only our capacity for war.
@1994anmol The makers of this show edited out 2 years of the war & several dozen battles. It's hard to learn about the US military when they only talk about their victories.
This isn't an educational show. You wont learn about their military here.
Their Naval tactics were to build fast ships to escape from the heavier British ships of the line but strong enough to take out lighter patrol ships. Good strategy but they were still overwhelmed by wars end.
@1994anmol The US land tactics in 1812 were bad beyond belief. They had a sizable advantage in numbers at the start of the war as Canada was stripped of all but minimal defense to fight Napoleon.
In spite of the huge advantage in not just troop numbers but logistically in almost every battle they fled or surrendered with little fight.
It wasn't until the end of the war that they showed signs of promise in Battle of Lundy's Lane they didn't break inspite of terrible losses. Still lost the war.
@Planetar17 Underestimate is the wrong word. We knew what you were capable of. Canada was filled with Loyalists that had fled the purges in the USA.
The phrase "Lynch Mob" comes from Charles Lynch (jurist).
You seem to have a very idealized fantasy of the type of people who your founding fathers were. They were not as good as you seem to believe & British were no were near as bad as your nation often portrays them.
@Eddythebeast666 "We knew what you were capable of. Canada was filled with Loyalists that had fled the purges in the USA.
The phrase "Lynch Mob" comes from Charles Lynch (jurist)."
My direct paternal ancestor was hanged by Tories during the Revolution for letting Patriots meet in his home. Also, his brothers in law were Patriot spies. My family had bounties out on their heads issued by "Loyalists" even AFTER the war.
You disarmed, freedom-of-speech-hating Canadians suck.
@hpd707 Francis Key Howard grandson of Francis Scott Key was Imprisoned in Ft. McHenry 16 months for writing a critical editorial of Lincoln. So much for free speech.
@hpd707 On that day 47 years before my grandfather, Mr. Francis Scott Key, then prisoner on a British ship, had witnessed the bombardment of Fort McHenry. When on the following morning the hostile fleet drew off, defeated, he wrote the song so long popular throughout the country, the Star Spangled Banner. As I stood upon the very scene of that conflict, I could not but contrast my position with his, 47 years before.
@hpd707 The flag which he had then so proudly hailed, I saw waving at the same place over the victims of as vulgar and brutal a despotism as modern times have witnessed."
published in 1863 titled Fourteen Months in the American Bastiles
@hpd707 You ancestor was likely a traitor, oath breaker & conspiring to murder innocents.
If he lived today he be in Guantanamo water boarded every other day as a terrorist or be disappeared (Extraordinary rendition) to some middle East country dumped in a hole & forgotten.
Go back to sleep & dream your "American Dream" there is no such place as you think you live & never has been.
Power changed hands the new regime was no better then the old one.
@Eddythebeast666 My ancestor probably WOULD be in Guantanamo or some similar prison. And yes, you're right, there has never been a place that perfectly embodies the ideals embraced by the Bill of Rights. But at the end of the day, America is not a place; rather, it is a set of transcendent ideas. There ARE freedom-loving Canadians. Sorry for the anti-Canadian comment. Socialism still sucks, though.
@hpd707 Pure Socialist economies do suck. (Marxist himself pointed out it was overly idealistic system)At least every real world attempt at creating one has but so do pure capitalist systems. The British empire was largely capitalist & the American Rev had some heavy socialist overtones.
"establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare,"
A military, roads, libraries, fire fighting, sewage/clean water, education, police all Socialist
It boils down to national will. The Canadian national will was to remain loyal to Britain; the American will was to continue with our 'Great Experiment'. If we say we won the War of 1812, it is understood in the context of remaining independent and free to grow as a nation unvexed by Britain. I agree that Britain was not interested in retaking their former colonies. And Americans did seek a political and bloodless solution with the Treaty of Ghent, which got back Detroit for the U.S.
@Planetar17 Detroit was regained by force of arms by the USA. We could not supply the fort after the Battle of Lake Erie. The USA attacked the retreating British & Native forces at the Battle of the Thames. Tecumseh was killed & his body desecrated by American solders who used his skin as razor straps.It was in fact quite bloody unlike the British taking of the fort which was nearly bloodless.
I don't see American interest in a peaceful solution until we burned Washington & attacked your coast.
@Eddythebeast666 I thought Detroit was handed over as part of the Treaty. I'll look into what you're saying. I know how horrible our troops could get throughout the19th C, like the using of White Antelope's scrotum as a tobacco pouch in 1864, e.g. Our doves did prevail. Your invasion of our coast only enraged us. Andrew Jackson and his ilk would have loved to continue the war, their motives notwithstanding. Had the war gone on, we would have outpaced Britain and they would have withdrawn.
@Planetar17 No Detroit was abandoned when we lost control of Lake Erie. Would have been nice if you let us leave peacefully but such is war. We did our share of butchery. With Natives (I'm Mi'kmaq myself) on our side it was difficult to hold to the conventions of war which didn't protect Natives. So asking better of them then they could expect in return was hard. The idea that in 1812 the USA was in anyway a British equal is absurd. Your efforts relied on Napoleon. When he failed it was over.
@Eddythebeast666 I can only be appalled at what was done. You clearly know a great deal on Indian matters. I was stunned by your reference to Wild Cat Creek in your other post. I live in Indiana and we don't even know the exact location of the battle. I suggest we didn't cynically rely on Napoleon. He was terrorizing Europe since 1804 and we did not attack Canada. He was a menace in 1807 when we had the Chesapeake trouble. We didn't attack. By 'outpaced', I meant like Nat. Greene with Tarleton.
@Planetar17 1804 was also the year the USA & Napoleon signed the Louisiana Purchase where the US assumed control of French territories in North America freeing his military efforts to concentrate in Europe plus a hefty amount of gold as well. There was more to the timing of the attack on Canada then just coincidence. If the Russians hadn't burned Moscow & starved Napoleons armies Europe would have fallen to his control. Britain would never have been able to retaliate for the US attack.
@Planetar17 Greene with Tarleton strategy is an interesting idea but this was a very different war. Unlike the revolutionary war we were no longer constrained by having some of the population as loyalist. The US was not a colony seeking independence but an enemy nation. We were trying to force the USA to stop attacking Canada.
Which meant hurting you badly enough so you took a defensive posture in stead of an offensive one.
@Planetar17 This documentary leaves out just how bad the war got. We Didn't just burn Washington. After the USA burned Newark & over a quarter of the mainly women & children population froze to death. We returned the favor ten fold.
Fort Niagra, Youngstown, 18 mile creek, Fort Scholsner, Tonawonga Creek, LaSalle, Black Rock & Buffalo were all burned with populations left homeless.
It was the same tactic you had used on Natives. This war if you didn't stop we were going to kill you all.
@Eddythebeast666 true we only wanted to get pay back for them attacking candia we defended candia and buret wwashigton but they wated to send 1 more message
@Eddythebeast666 yea i did not know what his comment was but im glad im tired of a bunch of douches saying that america won im american and we didnt it was a draw
@kepler1000 Rules what? Apparently not Canada. Looks like you guys got your asses kicked back to your side of the boarder 3 times & had to hide in your forts as we bombarded you at our leisure. Your shipping was completely shut down you even had to sink your own ships to blockade your harbors.
Do you even realize how pathetic is is to try to frame these events as success? Making a song about how much damage you did to British fists as they smashed in to your face into your anthem?
@Eddythebeast666 Canadians were cool with being british bitches at the time. They still are really, being royal subjects of the british monarchy. And y'all didnt do crap... there were not any canadians at Baltimore.
@airpowerrules Who do you think was inciting the riots & encouraging the leaders to proceed with the Hartford Convention? the boarders were a lot more blurry back then.
@Eddythebeast666 Yeah, while the failed bombardment on Fort McHenry was going on, the British land invasion headed by Ross, was being repulsed by the superior American land forces. The British efforts against Baltimore were a complete bust! What happened at Washington WOULD NOT be repeated!! American victory!
@bluebelly07 Yes, because your entire military was pulled back in to the USA for defense & your economy was shut down. You needed money to rebuild before we cold burn it down again.
What started out as a bold invasion of conquest to take Canada turned in to a desperate defensive struggle to survive with sates in open rebellion against the government.
We were free to raid your coast at will while you huddled terrified in your forts.
@Eddythebeast666 You forget, Canada was not even a country then. It was just a British territory. And yes, where we failed at complete conquest, we raised enough ruckus to make you people squirm! All this while successfully holding off the British attempt at taking over her former colonies. Even after the burning of Washington! At New Orleans we were not "huddled, terrified in our forts" as they raided our southern coast. Jackson attacked the British lobsterbacks first!
@bluebelly07 We are still British Commonwealth. What difference does Independence make? We never cut our ties. You are the ones who turned your backs on your heritage.
New Orleans seriously? The night raid was meaningless just an annoyance. Even after the our failed assault, your troops never left the safety of your fortified earthworks to capture our army. You left our forces in tack to reorganize, attack & capture Fort Bowyer. Your claims of victory are pure BS. Blowing smoke.
@Eddythebeast666 Fort Bowyer was just an after thought - 375 American infantry and 22 artillery pieces against what remained of the British Army (1,400 infantry and 113 artillery pieces involved.) No wonder we lost, having just 1/4 the strength the Brits had! Not like New Orleans where the Brits just out numbered us more than 2 to 1. More than 10,000 to 4,500! I'd say in the end the U.S. held up remarkably well to what was undoubtebly was the world's "super power at the time!
@bluebelly07 Everything after the treaty was signed was a waste of time & lives. Jackson proclaimed "ten thousand men cannot take it". British must count as 4 times an American. But now you have me blowing smoke.
Listen try looking at the battles where your military actually earned British respect. The USA`s performance at Lundy`s Lane shocked us. It wasn`t a win but in spite of terrible loses you continued the attack
@Eddythebeast666 I'm not doubting the courage that must have been shown by the British at New Orleans going up against that horrific rifle and artillery fire of Jackson's at New Orleans. Being a Civil War reenactor, using these linear tactics, I can't understand how these men had the courage to do what they did. Marching shoulder to shoulder into certain death. Simply amazing - 18th century physic no doubt!
@bluebelly07 Drummond reported, "Of so determined a Character were [the American] attacks directed against our guns that our Artillery Men were bayonetted by the enemy in the Act of loading, and the muzzles of the Enemy's Guns were advanced within a few Yards of ours".
The battle confirmed that the American regular forces had evolved into a highly professional army. Scott is widely credited for this progress, having modelled and trained his troops using French Revolutionary drills and exercises
@Eddythebeast666 Our nation did not give up! It gave notice that anyone invading it would be met with overwhelming force, like the Brits at New Orleans! Our nation was a rising power, that the Brits hated to see! Like Meade at Gettysburg, years later, letting Lee escape back to Virginia, Jackson let the Brits retreat from New Orleans. They had 2,000 casualties - he let them live! No we did not give up, the Treaty of Ghent, ending the war, was signed two weeks before New Orleans...
@bluebelly07 More BS. The US had earned its independence in the revolutionary war. Thats why we never even tried to occupy the USA. We burned & left. You were not worth the cost to conquer but if you kept it up you might have been worth wiping out.
You showed you had 1/2 a brain by giving up even if you were too dumb to not have started it. The USA was a pathetic power till after WWII try to keep it straight. 1815 Pax Britannica
@Eddythebeast666 I think the U.S. was quite a power during our Civil War The Union Army had 2 million troops in the field, and a large enough navy even to make the Brits take notice! Read about the Lincoln - Queen Victoria exchanges at the time. Quite amusing! All about the Union Navy blockade of our coast that the Brits could nothing about! Disrupting cotton shipments to Britain.
@Eddythebeast666 The Civil War was a turning point in our history, the industrial revolution was fully under way, and the U.S. was quickly reaching world power status. It was the first "modern war," linear (Napoleonic) tactics were being outmoded by superior weaponry. It took 4 long years of epic battles to find this out, unfortunately. "Those that don't pay attention to history are bound to repeat it." It was such a big turning point in our history, we cannot ignore it.
@Eddythebeast666 I might add that it is estimated that 50 - 60.000 Canadians came south to participate in our Civil War. I find this amazing! Enough to fill the ranks of 50 - 60 full size regiments! Perhaps maybe you have some ancestors that did so. Looking for adventure, I presume....
@bluebelly07 That isn't something Canadians talk about because it sounds terrible that we helped Americans kill each other. I don't think it would go over very well if the situation was reversed & Canada had a Civil war & Americans involved them selves.
@Eddythebeast666 - I suppose you're right, I never thought about it that way. But you've got to remember, times were different then, the political scene was in turmoil, and there was the always "that adventure." And I can't feel anything but admiration for them for wanting to participate....
@bluebelly07 Well Edward P. Doherty distinguished himself when as a Union Army officer formed and led the detachment of Union soldiers that captured and killed John Wilkes Booth, As did the 29 Canadian-born men were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Civil war.
I prefer to see those accomplishments as with those Canadians that joined the US military during the Vietnam war. Those who did so chose to serve a cause greater then National loyalty.
@Eddythebeast666 At Gettysburg 49 known Canadians served with the 24th Michigan, part of the Iron Brigade, one of them was corporal Charles Bellore from southern Ontario whom was shot in the chest and killed carrying the national colors. As it turned out more than half were either killed or captured....
@bluebelly07 The 97th Battalion of the Canadian Army began organizing in the latter part of 1915 in the Toronto area. It sought to draw its strength from the growing influx of Americans looking for adventure "Over There". Comprised of over 90% American volunteers it selected for its name the "American Legion". The American influence was so strong that when 97th recruits were sworn in as Canadian soldiers their commanding officer presented each of the volunteers with a small American flag.
@bluebelly07 (continued)The new soldier was told to pin it inside his tunic, over his heart.. The battalion motto became "Ill carry this to Berlin or bust" and the Canadian Maple leaf bearing George Washington's coat of arms with a "97" etched on its shield was selected for a cap badge.
@Eddythebeast666 Remember during WW2 "The Arsenal of Democracy". Even before we were involved in the war directly, we were sending massive amounts of war material, mainly to England and Russia."Lend Lease." No other country on earth had the industrial capacity the U.S. had, plain and simple!
@bluebelly07 I wish like hell we did the same thing during WW2. Kept our people home building our strength. At least the UK took over our debt after the war.
Can everyone commenting just take a step back from American motives TODAY and recognize that the motives of the soldiers at Fort McHenry and of all the people of Baltimore were pure and brave. Merchants sunk their own ships, their livelihood, to protect their city, and if that's greed than everyone should strive to be greedy because the actions of the people of Baltimore were truly noble.
@AliceCullensAwesome Do you think the Canadians defending their homes were any less noble? Do you think the Natives who were having their lands stolen by America deserved their fate? What of the British who died defending us?
Just remember who declared war on whom before you get all weepy about people sinking their own ships.
@Eddythebeast666 I do remember who declared war on whom and the declaration of war was completely justified in my opinion. The numerous impressments and the disrespect that Britain showed the United States before the war, blockading trade and kidnapping American citizens, all seem to me to be good reasons to declare war on another nation. I'm not saying that the people in Canada shouldn't be admired for when they defended their homes, I was only saying that we should admire these people as well.
@AliceCullensAwesome So British Canada would have been justified in declaring war on the Northern States during the civil War? The Union Army kidnapped Canadians to fill the ranks, a practice called "crimping".You seem unaware the USA had agreed to Impressment in the Jay treaty, which even though it had expired & events of the Napoleonic wars made a new treaty unworkable was still in effect.As for blocking trade, the USA objected to our trade with Natives but you felt free to trade with Napolion
@Eddythebeast666 Jay's Treaty did NOT say impressment was okay, it just didn't address the issue at all, and YES, I do believe that British Canada would have been justified in declaring war on the United States during the civil war for "crimping." No matter who does it, it's wrong.
@AliceCullensAwesome When it was signed American Representatives knew what it's omission meant.
Boy! Always the war & genocide with you guys isn't it. Diplomacy works just fine & did in fact work far better then the war worked out for you guys.
Which is why your nation sufferers from a reputation as war mongers & why you have so little international respect in spite of your nations impressive accomplishments. You have a hammer & all your problems look like nails.
@Eddythebeast666 I'm not sure I follow exactly what your saying or understand the connection my comment had to war and genocide. We were being viciously attacked on the high seas, so we dealt with it. We clearly have very different opinions on the matter so I don't feel the need to comment on it any more.
@AliceCullensAwesome Being viciously attacked on the high seas? You mean that one attack when one of your ships was knowingly harboring deserters just off your coast?
Americans just wanted to take control of the commerce in the Americas from the British and as well as take land from them in Canada. This was the real reason for the war AMERICAN GREED. This is has and still is the reason for the wars that the Americans fight. This is the sad truth.
@ginoginoako It wasn't greed that caused my grandfather to die in Santo Tomas, or my uncle and father to suffer 3 years in that hellhole. Both American and Filipino blood was shed to defend, and liberate, the country you live in. No patriotic pinoy would dare insult those who gave you liberty, unless you are some spoiled brat that has no honor, or respect for those that gave you freedom.
@NamVetBuck The USA waited until your were attacked yourselves before joining the fight. You weren't fighting for anyones freedoms but your own. You gave nothing to anyone who hadn't been fighting a hell of a lot longer then you slobs & you backed whatever dictator gave you the biggest piece of the pie never who was best for the people of the nations you enslaved by proxy.
@NamVetBuck Let me refresh your memory that the US actually invaded the Philippines first. They fought a mock battle with the Spanish which the Filipinos had actually defeated already almost in all the provinces except for Manila. US came in and took over the Philippines. I wish you are aware of how brutally they treated the Filipinos who opposed them.
Those that had sacrificed so much to fight the Spanish now had to fight the new colonizers. So was it not greed the reason that US stayed in the Philippines? Just go back on the history of the US. How greed was their motivation for wiping out the Indians, for fighting wars with Mexico, for taking over Hawaii.
Americans are hypocrites they say they cherish freedom yet they interfere so much with the freedom of the other countries. They went to war with Mexico for territory, went to war with the Spanish for Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines. They made the embargo on Japan (that caused them to attack the US) not because they cared about China (which Japan was at war with) but because Japan was ousting their influence in the east and threatening to break their control in commerce their.
@Cnd1867 Nope...more like "throw what ya can at us, we won't give up ! ". The defeat of the redcoats at Ft. McHenry was a big middle finger in Britain's face, and New Orleans was the asskicking the finish the job !
@NamVetBuck By the time the USA finally agreed to the treaty your forces had repelled from Canada 3 times. Your shipping had been shut down & we were raiding at will up & down your coast. 6 states were ready to leave the Union by the Hartford convention.
You were beaten. To continue would have turned the disaster the war already was for your nation in to annihilation.
@Eddythebeast666 If we were beaten then why didn't the Brits take the US back ? Because we were NEVER beaten. As for Canada, ya might think about they still answer to a monarch, and we don't ! The War of 1812 settled that issue once and for all. Many other countries have pushed the USA to the brink, but we are STILL HERE !
@NamVetBuck There was never any intent to take the USA back. Even if the States left your Union didn't mean they would become British. The only war objective we had was to pacify American aggression.
As Independent colonies the USA had proven to be more profitable as trading partners then as subjects. Canada was cut loose in 1867 for the same reason. You still answer to banks Yankee. The crown in the UK hadn't been running things for a long time same as the USA today. Congress for sale.
@Eddythebeast666 And who appoints your Governor General ? Who does the average Canuck fight against when charged with a crime ...THE CROWN ??? Hmmm ...sounds like you guys still answer to a monarch, whether you want to admit it or not ! Oh, and one last thing...who owns the land in Canada that is the government's...that would be THE CROWN again...
@NamVetBuck your knoledge of the role, power , status and history of the crown is realy quite lacking, its called a constitutional monarch for a reason
@rulebritannia1 Really...did you know that only the reigning monarch can declare war ? Or that any Commonwealth nation still has "Crown land" , or that any crime tried that is called xxx vs. the Crown ? Save it , bub, a constitutional monarchy it may be called, but bottom line is "the Crown" is still the norm. I have far more knowledge of your form of government than you think ( ? ) , and you certainly don't know Americans very well !
@NamVetBuck You are flaunting your ignorance about our government system. Vs the Crown, Vs the State What difference does what we call it make?
I'll tell you again your negotiators at the Ghent treaty never asked for anything that you claim you went to war for. The official reasons were smoke & mirrors for the idiots who voted for them.
@Eddythebeast666 What American aggression ? You mean the American resentment and outrage at having our merchant seamen hijacked off of US flagged vessels to fill the ranks of the Royal Navy ? You bet we were gonna get pissed ! Try it again and see what happens !
@NamVetBuck Don't confuse the dog & pony show of your congress as what is really going on in your nation. You don't even know who is pulling your strings & buying your congressmen. Do I have to bring up Shay's rebellion again or all the other times you wound up getting screwed over by your own government?
@Eddythebeast666 Beats the hell outta being "ruled" by a monarch...and you have Parliament...so what's the diff between that and Congress ? Sorry, you fail ....
@rulebritannia1 What you mean ? The crap that Britain pulled with impressment ? Or the position they took in negotiations when they were hinting at taking back the US ? Please specify what crock of English shit you are referring to...
@NamVetBuck Where in negotiations did The USA ask anything about impressment? None of the so called reasons for the war were even brought up at Ghent. Impressment was an excuse used by Madison to undercut the Federalists in Congress. The War Hawks were from the Native killing, slave states. With impressment as a targeted issue The federalists risked alienating their voting base by opposing the push to war. All the US asked for was compensation for slaves Briton freed.
@Eddythebeast666 The impressed seamen weren't "slaves" on our ships, but sure were made that status by England's impressment ! And history shows that impressing sailors was only abandoned 2 days before war broke out, not enough time for the word to get back to the USA. Screw your "native" term, that applies to anybody who was born here...those are nothing more than earlier immigrants that came from someplace else.
@NamVetBuck impresemnt was a legitamate action to help ensure the survival of the nation and was blown out of proportian and was a non isue at the time of war and i doubt very much that the uk would have wanted to at a time of great instability taken over a vast amount of territory full of unhappy and rebliiouse people with an expanding empire in africa and asia and with the usa being quite a health trading market i see no reason why the uk would have wanted all the 13 collonies back
@rulebritannia1 It may have been a matter of some kind of survival for YOUR nation , but it was OUR nationals that were being kidnapped....hmmmm, let's stop your vessels at sea, take people off, and make em mine finders in Afghanistan...how's THAT for a national security solution ? You also forget the great national resources we had at the time that England lost out on by the king not granting reasonable solutions to American objections to the treatment the Crown was handing out.
@NamVetBuck The Union army kidnapped Canadians during the Civil war a practice called Crimping. Intelligent nations resolve such things through diplomacy not war. The USA had agreed to impressment in the Jay treaty in exchange for protection from France during the Quasi war & access to India which brought great wealth to the US. The treaty had expired but that's no excuse. Briton was claiming deserters. A practice the USA also takes seriously. Stop acting like a hypocrites.
@xxxxdukexxxx No, the Natives were NOT a weapon. They were human beings, not guns. What Eddythebeast666 says is true. Idiots in our nation's history broke promises and went against our own word, not to mention stealing back land that we had "given." And I'm American, too- partially of European descent, partially of Blackfeet descent, and my family has been in America for at least 600 years, so I'm not just saying this because I'm biased against America (which I'm not).
@FreedomEquityJustice The really sad thing is if the USA just accepted natives as they first did there was no reason to believe the blending of cultures couldn't produce a greater nation.
@xxxxdukexxxx By God Man. The Natives were fighting for their survival against American expansion. They weren't British pawns. The Natives who tried to appease your nation by joining your side all got screwed as Jackson forced the tribes that allied with him to march on the "Trail of Tears". You butchered people who fought beside you. What kind of ignorant buffoon posts such despicable comments? Don't you know your own nations history. Do you even realize how terrible they make you look?
@TheZaidabdullah If not race then religion. If not religion then politics. If not politics then money. They always find a reason to kill.
The Native forces under Tecumseh was more then happy to help the white English protestant British kill the white English protestant Americans & in all the carnage some how only the natives truly lost. Sad.
The British Empire had figting all over the world europe,india,africa,oceans and then america tried to take advantage of that and invade there colony canada thinkih the british would be too busy to defend there colony but they defeated the invading armies and invaded america with a few thousands men and it took the americans years to actually stand there ground instead of running away big mistake to declare war on britain they always bounce back!!
what a lot of people do not realise is that the napoleonic wars WAS actually the first world war which the british were fighting in the mediteranean sea,the indian ocean and the caribbean and on land in europe..while burning the whitehouse at the same time and all of this shit...they were doing this out of retaliation for messing about with our shipping..WHICH was the fault of the slimy french to begin with..the powers in whitehall wernt interested in bombing america..we were too busy with bony.
@Eddythebeast I thought to better understand us is to look at the Gettysburg scene of Longstreet with the British Colonel Fremantle in comparing the English and the American people and where the similarities stop and that is where most misunderstand of our people
@krystalmanor Looked At the scene & I can't say I understand. British Over analyzed maybe? Entrenchment vs moble adaptive stratagy?
There was an English Civil war with a brief stab at trying to be a republic in 1649–58 & sepertist movements are nothing new even in Canada although we have never hit triple digit death counts even when they got violent. Freedom was never a founding princable of Canada. Peace, Order & good goverment. Nothing fancy but seems to work... so far. XD
@krystalmanor LOL Oh. Okay, I get it. Most Native peoples would not see the USA in that light. Especaly since the first thing that happened after independance was a masive move to acquire more realestate.
If I may offer some insight in to the British Imperal mind set. The orignal inhabitants of England spoke a form of Gaelic. The Scotts, Whelsh & Irish still have some trace remnants of it in their custums. The Romans came, Saxons, French Normans, then The Prodestants... Continued
The British Empire had it's time and enjoyed it's status as dominant world power. Now it's our turn. The United States Navy is far larger and more capable than the Royal Navy, our Army and Air Force are larger too. The US is the superpower now.
traindude80 3 days ago
The Brits kicked the Yankees ass
724warlord 3 weeks ago
@724warlord and we saved ur asses in 2 wars :D great doing business with ya :D oh and thanks for creating Manchester United.. i love them
thelittlemind 6 days ago
@thelittlemind
WWI was primarily won by GB & France (Russia too until their revolution.) The US joined at the very end; other than providing fresh blood, it played very little role.
WWII? America saved no one's "ass" except for it's own, probably wouldn't have even entered had it not been for Japan destroying Pearl. GB saved itself (BoB), fighting alone post fall of France.
As for Hitler's final defeat, that took a combined allied effort with Russia paying the highest price.
trouzerpants 2 days ago
@trouzerpants if i recall.. britain was on the backfoot for most of the war.. while france was gone therefore ur coment is voided fo rit is unreliable.. Russia payed the highest price cause their generals sucked and they had 2 guys per rifle.. wtf u cant fight like that
thelittlemind 1 day ago
@thelittlemind France was not gone. It was occupied. Resistance fighters played a vital role as well as those French who had been evacuated.
Just being an occupying force took as much resources as was gained by the Nazis.
Listen a word of advice.
Stop pissing upon the contributions of other nations no matter how humble they actually were.Doing so does nothing to promote a positive view of US efforts. Quite the opposite.
Being free with praise & giving due credit to others will get better results
Eddythebeast666 10 hours ago
@Eddythebeast666 umm im pissing on ur info cause its false... GB and France in WW1 and WW2 were on their last legs unable to produce anything besides holding out.. im not here to bash anyone out by saying they didnt do anything.. im saying that they were fighting tooth and nail without much progress so dont shit on me mate
thelittlemind 1 hour ago
@724warlord Why don't you come over and kick our ass now? The Royal Navy wouldn't even be able to get to the US because of our dominant Navy and even if you did you'd have to face our superior Army.
traindude80 3 days ago
The Americans win a battle so they sing a song about it because that was the first thing they had sat and fought without running away in that war
79tazman 1 month ago
@nigee1970 LMAO Thats pure bullshit the US did not win WW1 & WW2 alone
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trouzerpants 1 month ago
@79tazman
It said "According to USMarineRifleman, US won WWI & WWII alone..."
It satirised a particularly jingoistic American fool.
trouzerpants 1 month ago
@trouzerpants The question is would the British be able to keep up the war effort without US support in WWI and would the Axis powers fall without America's intervention?
traindude80 3 days ago
@traindude80 If the US had not gotten involved Germany may have gotten better terms & thus avoided the conditions that led to WW2.
Germany was in a bad way by the time the US got involved but all the major players were feeling the strain.
The War should have been called off as soon as the stalemate happened. Before Russia went communist.
By winning in the way we did we got the worst of all possible out comes.
Eddythebeast666 3 days ago
The Americans wanted war and war was what they got
79tazman 1 month ago
It's all wars these days
210482fmj 2 months ago
Ive tallied up the battle record for this war and it ended with 62 US victories and 38 UK victories.
Among those 26 for the USN and 13 for the RN w/ 4 ties.
USMarineRifleman0311 2 months ago in playlist War of 1812 Doc
@USMarineRifleman0311 At the end of the war the US Navy was in tatters, either destroyed, captured, or bottled up in port. And the entire merchant fleet had been decimated, ruining the American economy. The Americans targeted weaker, smaller ships that could pose no threat. When the British battleships turned up they generally turned tail and ran before facing destruction, the USS Chesapeake fought, and look what happened there. 11 minutes right?
Ninja1275 2 months ago
@Ninja1275 USS Constitution vs HMS Guerriere 'nuff said.
traindude80 3 days ago
@traindude80 HMS Guerriere was a 38-gun fifth-rate frigate 244 men the ship was originally taken from the French.
USS Constitution was a 44-gun heavy frigate 476 men,
You are comparing ships that are not remotely equal as if that one British ship was the best Britain had to offer.
I'm not sure what you think that means but it sounds like Americans needed to have twice the fire power or more to take on a British ship.
Eddythebeast666 3 days ago
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Ironsides only ever faced off against ships half her size. Whenever she sighted something more equal, she turned tail and fled.
For a more even balance, examine the Shannon vs Chesapeake. Broke reduced Lawrence's ship (fresh outta harbour) to a wreck in about 11 minutes, even though the Shannon was in a decrepit state, having been at sea for months.
Admittedly, Broke's crew were more experienced.
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Re WWI, although the huge influx of fresh US troops was important, they were green (very inexperienced) and came right at the end when the war was all but over. By then, we'd already invented the tank; along with the RAF (world's first air-force), we'd broken the dead-lock of trench warfare.
WWII took an allied effort to defeat Nazi Germany.
As for your superpower status, your economy is in tatters, burdened by the world's largest debt. Today's world is one of multipolarity.
trouzerpants 2 days ago
i said that 2 months ago lol i cant remember posting it
champion6341 3 months ago
i can stand that guys speech impediment
patriots128384 3 months ago
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Splendid.....what what
planetrockford 4 months ago
when the burned Washington god was not happy
TheSupercat91 4 months ago in playlist More videos from krystalmanor
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C'mon guys. Nearly 200 years have passed and we're still fighting? Is this truly necessary? The war is over, we (The U.S) won
Spencerpolly 5 months ago
Woo! Go America!
JiraiyaFan 5 months ago
america cant win a war properly only by cheap things like killing comanders from range
champion6341 5 months ago
@champion6341 Well they didn't win the war so even that didn't help them much. LOL
Eddythebeast666 5 months ago
@champion6341 yes cause fighting you in straight lines was the smartest thing we could have done >_>
DireEpidemic 3 months ago
When Wellington took Badajoz in the spanish/ portuguese border during their war with the French ,the British committed huge atrocities such as looting, Rape, and of course Murder of civilians.
cylon85912 8 months ago
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@cylon85912 If you had fought against the empire for these reasons you might have a point but that was never the case.
You don't get to hold our past against us unless you have taken a higher moral path but that just isn't the case. You preformed no better when free of our influence & in fact taught us a few lessons on cruelty.
There would be no USA with out the British Empire. Your lack of respect for the Empire that spawned & nurtured the English colonies just shows you deserve our contempt.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@cylon85912 and what other army didnt? it was extremely common, but thats one city, you cant base it on just one british siege
OW41N 6 months ago
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The English are also the first ones to have invented the idea of concentration camps in their war to take gold from the Boers in Africa, they slaughtered women and babies all in the name of their Evil Empire ! The British were exterminating people long before Nazi Germany in the 1930's. The Brits were the first true Nazis, the Brits exterminated the Boers but they never could exterminate Americans! We are good at killing British scum, ask John Lenin from the Beatles LOL!
cylon85912 8 months ago
Brits, Don't get all butt hurt about this - it all worked out for the better for everyone in the end.
pucksterz12 8 months ago
@pucksterz12 Except for the Natives.
Pax Britannica was the period of relative peace in Europe (1815–1914) when the British Empire controlled most of the key maritime trade routes and enjoyed unchallenged sea power.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@pucksterz12 how?
isaacBrockofthe41 8 months ago
@pucksterz12 The British got to go home to their own country and the United States would eventually become the most powerful nation on earth. The British had had a long run of world domination but eventually that had to end.
pucksterz12 8 months ago
@pucksterz12 No one is saying otherwise.
The point of contention is the bias in this documentary.
The anti British bigotry that presents events as if this was a war of British aggression.
The actual events of the war which was an American humiliating defeat being carefully managed & edited in to an illusion of American victory.
If you wish to inspire hate towards British stick to our actual crimes. You don't have to take events where we justifiably defended ourselves & lie about it.
Eddythebeast666 8 months ago
@pucksterz12 Which has ended now China is the super power of the Earth.
ImperialGlory1920 7 months ago
I believe you underestimate American resolve of the day. We would have weathered homelessness and pressed on. Had UK pursued the war after 1815, Wellington would have become involved and, with Napoleon defeated, vast legions of experienced troops would have made matters desperate for us. Andrew Jackson was no Wellington, but he exhibited the resolution I'm talking about and was a spellbinding leader. The strutting Brit. officer who slashed the child Jackson with a sword lost the 'War of 1815'.
Planetar17 9 months ago
@Planetar17 Jackson is well known to anyone with Native blood as an Oath breaker & butcher. He was a hate filled monster that didn't limit himself to British. I have no reason to doubt the sword slash story but he didn't need an excuse. He hated everyone. A fine example of an American but I'm surprised you brought him up as he represents everything that was wrong with your emerging nation. Merciless, opportunistic, genocidal, yes a fine leader if such are what you want to found your nation on.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 3
@Eddythebeast666 You disregard why I cited his example. You wrote, 'This war if you didn't stop we were going to kill you all'. I contend that, no, you would not have 'killed us all', because types like Jackson would have been at your throats. I don't approve of Jackson, he was a hothead savage and violated the Constitution as President. I wouldn't want him today or back then to be President. You seem to think because Jackson is morally deficient, one can't pose his impact on the battlefield
Planetar17 9 months ago
@Planetar17 Good point but that is why the war happened in the first place.
The Hawks were in control of US interests. Never mind Jackson why was Madison so blood thirsty?
Where did we have the choice to end the war? We had called an armistice after your first invasion to try to end the war but you used it to launch a second attack.
We had to burn Washington & cut off all ocean trade before you sat down at Ghent.
You didn't respect our peace efforts only our capacity for war.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 6
@Eddythebeast666 I think I've learnt more about you and planetar than I have about the us military.
1994anmol 9 months ago
@1994anmol The makers of this show edited out 2 years of the war & several dozen battles. It's hard to learn about the US military when they only talk about their victories.
This isn't an educational show. You wont learn about their military here.
Their Naval tactics were to build fast ships to escape from the heavier British ships of the line but strong enough to take out lighter patrol ships. Good strategy but they were still overwhelmed by wars end.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 6
@1994anmol The US land tactics in 1812 were bad beyond belief. They had a sizable advantage in numbers at the start of the war as Canada was stripped of all but minimal defense to fight Napoleon.
In spite of the huge advantage in not just troop numbers but logistically in almost every battle they fled or surrendered with little fight.
It wasn't until the end of the war that they showed signs of promise in Battle of Lundy's Lane they didn't break inspite of terrible losses. Still lost the war.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 6
@Planetar17 Underestimate is the wrong word. We knew what you were capable of. Canada was filled with Loyalists that had fled the purges in the USA.
The phrase "Lynch Mob" comes from Charles Lynch (jurist).
You seem to have a very idealized fantasy of the type of people who your founding fathers were. They were not as good as you seem to believe & British were no were near as bad as your nation often portrays them.
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hpd707 9 months ago
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hpd707 9 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 "We knew what you were capable of. Canada was filled with Loyalists that had fled the purges in the USA.
The phrase "Lynch Mob" comes from Charles Lynch (jurist)."
My direct paternal ancestor was hanged by Tories during the Revolution for letting Patriots meet in his home. Also, his brothers in law were Patriot spies. My family had bounties out on their heads issued by "Loyalists" even AFTER the war.
You disarmed, freedom-of-speech-hating Canadians suck.
hpd707 9 months ago
@hpd707 Francis Key Howard grandson of Francis Scott Key was Imprisoned in Ft. McHenry 16 months for writing a critical editorial of Lincoln. So much for free speech.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 4
@hpd707 On that day 47 years before my grandfather, Mr. Francis Scott Key, then prisoner on a British ship, had witnessed the bombardment of Fort McHenry. When on the following morning the hostile fleet drew off, defeated, he wrote the song so long popular throughout the country, the Star Spangled Banner. As I stood upon the very scene of that conflict, I could not but contrast my position with his, 47 years before.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 4
@hpd707 The flag which he had then so proudly hailed, I saw waving at the same place over the victims of as vulgar and brutal a despotism as modern times have witnessed."
published in 1863 titled Fourteen Months in the American Bastiles
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 4
@hpd707 You ancestor was likely a traitor, oath breaker & conspiring to murder innocents.
If he lived today he be in Guantanamo water boarded every other day as a terrorist or be disappeared (Extraordinary rendition) to some middle East country dumped in a hole & forgotten.
Go back to sleep & dream your "American Dream" there is no such place as you think you live & never has been.
Power changed hands the new regime was no better then the old one.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 4
@Eddythebeast666 My ancestor probably WOULD be in Guantanamo or some similar prison. And yes, you're right, there has never been a place that perfectly embodies the ideals embraced by the Bill of Rights. But at the end of the day, America is not a place; rather, it is a set of transcendent ideas. There ARE freedom-loving Canadians. Sorry for the anti-Canadian comment. Socialism still sucks, though.
hpd707 6 months ago
@hpd707 Pure Socialist economies do suck. (Marxist himself pointed out it was overly idealistic system)At least every real world attempt at creating one has but so do pure capitalist systems. The British empire was largely capitalist & the American Rev had some heavy socialist overtones.
"establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare,"
A military, roads, libraries, fire fighting, sewage/clean water, education, police all Socialist
Eddythebeast666 6 months ago
It boils down to national will. The Canadian national will was to remain loyal to Britain; the American will was to continue with our 'Great Experiment'. If we say we won the War of 1812, it is understood in the context of remaining independent and free to grow as a nation unvexed by Britain. I agree that Britain was not interested in retaking their former colonies. And Americans did seek a political and bloodless solution with the Treaty of Ghent, which got back Detroit for the U.S.
Planetar17 9 months ago
@Planetar17 Detroit was regained by force of arms by the USA. We could not supply the fort after the Battle of Lake Erie. The USA attacked the retreating British & Native forces at the Battle of the Thames. Tecumseh was killed & his body desecrated by American solders who used his skin as razor straps.It was in fact quite bloody unlike the British taking of the fort which was nearly bloodless.
I don't see American interest in a peaceful solution until we burned Washington & attacked your coast.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 15
@Eddythebeast666 I thought Detroit was handed over as part of the Treaty. I'll look into what you're saying. I know how horrible our troops could get throughout the19th C, like the using of White Antelope's scrotum as a tobacco pouch in 1864, e.g. Our doves did prevail. Your invasion of our coast only enraged us. Andrew Jackson and his ilk would have loved to continue the war, their motives notwithstanding. Had the war gone on, we would have outpaced Britain and they would have withdrawn.
Planetar17 9 months ago
@Planetar17 No Detroit was abandoned when we lost control of Lake Erie. Would have been nice if you let us leave peacefully but such is war. We did our share of butchery. With Natives (I'm Mi'kmaq myself) on our side it was difficult to hold to the conventions of war which didn't protect Natives. So asking better of them then they could expect in return was hard. The idea that in 1812 the USA was in anyway a British equal is absurd. Your efforts relied on Napoleon. When he failed it was over.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 19
@Eddythebeast666 I can only be appalled at what was done. You clearly know a great deal on Indian matters. I was stunned by your reference to Wild Cat Creek in your other post. I live in Indiana and we don't even know the exact location of the battle. I suggest we didn't cynically rely on Napoleon. He was terrorizing Europe since 1804 and we did not attack Canada. He was a menace in 1807 when we had the Chesapeake trouble. We didn't attack. By 'outpaced', I meant like Nat. Greene with Tarleton.
Planetar17 9 months ago
@Planetar17 1804 was also the year the USA & Napoleon signed the Louisiana Purchase where the US assumed control of French territories in North America freeing his military efforts to concentrate in Europe plus a hefty amount of gold as well. There was more to the timing of the attack on Canada then just coincidence. If the Russians hadn't burned Moscow & starved Napoleons armies Europe would have fallen to his control. Britain would never have been able to retaliate for the US attack.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 3
@Planetar17 Greene with Tarleton strategy is an interesting idea but this was a very different war. Unlike the revolutionary war we were no longer constrained by having some of the population as loyalist. The US was not a colony seeking independence but an enemy nation. We were trying to force the USA to stop attacking Canada.
Which meant hurting you badly enough so you took a defensive posture in stead of an offensive one.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 3
@Planetar17 This documentary leaves out just how bad the war got. We Didn't just burn Washington. After the USA burned Newark & over a quarter of the mainly women & children population froze to death. We returned the favor ten fold.
Fort Niagra, Youngstown, 18 mile creek, Fort Scholsner, Tonawonga Creek, LaSalle, Black Rock & Buffalo were all burned with populations left homeless.
It was the same tactic you had used on Natives. This war if you didn't stop we were going to kill you all.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago 3
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its truly funny how you play both sides...Who is we? Are you British tommorow and American the day after?
USMarineRifleman0311 2 months ago in playlist War of 1812 Doc
@USMarineRifleman0311 Are you still American if you are Black or Native? There was a time when if you were you had to fight America.
Now that America ever so reluctantly accepts Blacks & Natives are you no longer allowed to be anything but American?
How is this new acceptance any less racist then what America was before?
Eddythebeast666 2 months ago
it was a draw the british won the land battle but the americans won the navy battle
covman23 9 months ago
@covman23 Only on the great lakes & control of the lakes had already been reversed once if it continued we would have regained them.
The USA was completely pinned down by sea to the extent that they had to move supply's between coastal cities by cart.
We had no ambitions to take anything from the Yanks only defend Canada.
We Were Victorious.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 true we only wanted to get pay back for them attacking candia we defended candia and buret wwashigton but they wated to send 1 more message
covman23 9 months ago
wow seems like every joined up on bluebelly
GamingBrosproduction 9 months ago
@GamingBrosproduction bluebelly has an excellent grasp on the facts & details we just differ in our interpitation as to what the facts mean.
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 yea i did not know what his comment was but im glad im tired of a bunch of douches saying that america won im american and we didnt it was a draw
GamingBrosproduction 9 months ago
the things what i lerand is britan is such a morons in 1812
minederp 11 months ago
I love it! America rules and the rest of you loyalist mama boy rejects drool....live with it!
kepler1000 11 months ago
@kepler1000 Rules what? Apparently not Canada. Looks like you guys got your asses kicked back to your side of the boarder 3 times & had to hide in your forts as we bombarded you at our leisure. Your shipping was completely shut down you even had to sink your own ships to blockade your harbors.
Do you even realize how pathetic is is to try to frame these events as success? Making a song about how much damage you did to British fists as they smashed in to your face into your anthem?
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Canadians were cool with being british bitches at the time. They still are really, being royal subjects of the british monarchy. And y'all didnt do crap... there were not any canadians at Baltimore.
airpowerrules 11 months ago
@airpowerrules Who do you think was inciting the riots & encouraging the leaders to proceed with the Hartford Convention? the boarders were a lot more blurry back then.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Yeah, while the failed bombardment on Fort McHenry was going on, the British land invasion headed by Ross, was being repulsed by the superior American land forces. The British efforts against Baltimore were a complete bust! What happened at Washington WOULD NOT be repeated!! American victory!
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 Yes, because your entire military was pulled back in to the USA for defense & your economy was shut down. You needed money to rebuild before we cold burn it down again.
What started out as a bold invasion of conquest to take Canada turned in to a desperate defensive struggle to survive with sates in open rebellion against the government.
We were free to raid your coast at will while you huddled terrified in your forts.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 You forget, Canada was not even a country then. It was just a British territory. And yes, where we failed at complete conquest, we raised enough ruckus to make you people squirm! All this while successfully holding off the British attempt at taking over her former colonies. Even after the burning of Washington! At New Orleans we were not "huddled, terrified in our forts" as they raided our southern coast. Jackson attacked the British lobsterbacks first!
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 We are still British Commonwealth. What difference does Independence make? We never cut our ties. You are the ones who turned your backs on your heritage.
New Orleans seriously? The night raid was meaningless just an annoyance. Even after the our failed assault, your troops never left the safety of your fortified earthworks to capture our army. You left our forces in tack to reorganize, attack & capture Fort Bowyer. Your claims of victory are pure BS. Blowing smoke.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Fort Bowyer was just an after thought - 375 American infantry and 22 artillery pieces against what remained of the British Army (1,400 infantry and 113 artillery pieces involved.) No wonder we lost, having just 1/4 the strength the Brits had! Not like New Orleans where the Brits just out numbered us more than 2 to 1. More than 10,000 to 4,500! I'd say in the end the U.S. held up remarkably well to what was undoubtebly was the world's "super power at the time!
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 Everything after the treaty was signed was a waste of time & lives. Jackson proclaimed "ten thousand men cannot take it". British must count as 4 times an American. But now you have me blowing smoke.
Listen try looking at the battles where your military actually earned British respect. The USA`s performance at Lundy`s Lane shocked us. It wasn`t a win but in spite of terrible loses you continued the attack
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 I'm not doubting the courage that must have been shown by the British at New Orleans going up against that horrific rifle and artillery fire of Jackson's at New Orleans. Being a Civil War reenactor, using these linear tactics, I can't understand how these men had the courage to do what they did. Marching shoulder to shoulder into certain death. Simply amazing - 18th century physic no doubt!
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 Drummond reported, "Of so determined a Character were [the American] attacks directed against our guns that our Artillery Men were bayonetted by the enemy in the Act of loading, and the muzzles of the Enemy's Guns were advanced within a few Yards of ours".
The battle confirmed that the American regular forces had evolved into a highly professional army. Scott is widely credited for this progress, having modelled and trained his troops using French Revolutionary drills and exercises
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 I presume you mean Winfield Scott "old fuss and feathers" as some of his men called him? And who was Drummond, may I ask?
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 Correct Brigadier General Winfield Scott quite impressive.
Governor-General and Administrator of Canada Sir Gordon Drummond.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 If the USA had not given up on the war you started we would have brought what ever force to bare necessary to end the threat you posed.
Your nation gave up. You lost. We had more important things to do. We let you live.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Our nation did not give up! It gave notice that anyone invading it would be met with overwhelming force, like the Brits at New Orleans! Our nation was a rising power, that the Brits hated to see! Like Meade at Gettysburg, years later, letting Lee escape back to Virginia, Jackson let the Brits retreat from New Orleans. They had 2,000 casualties - he let them live! No we did not give up, the Treaty of Ghent, ending the war, was signed two weeks before New Orleans...
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 More BS. The US had earned its independence in the revolutionary war. Thats why we never even tried to occupy the USA. We burned & left. You were not worth the cost to conquer but if you kept it up you might have been worth wiping out.
You showed you had 1/2 a brain by giving up even if you were too dumb to not have started it. The USA was a pathetic power till after WWII try to keep it straight. 1815 Pax Britannica
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 I think the U.S. was quite a power during our Civil War The Union Army had 2 million troops in the field, and a large enough navy even to make the Brits take notice! Read about the Lincoln - Queen Victoria exchanges at the time. Quite amusing! All about the Union Navy blockade of our coast that the Brits could nothing about! Disrupting cotton shipments to Britain.
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 Yeah the Civil war was epic or tragic depending how you look at it. I never understood the American attitude towards that one.
If you keep picking at it how is it going to heal? #LOL
The French Indian war is still touchy up here with any attempt to reenact it being most unpopular.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 The Civil War was a turning point in our history, the industrial revolution was fully under way, and the U.S. was quickly reaching world power status. It was the first "modern war," linear (Napoleonic) tactics were being outmoded by superior weaponry. It took 4 long years of epic battles to find this out, unfortunately. "Those that don't pay attention to history are bound to repeat it." It was such a big turning point in our history, we cannot ignore it.
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 I might add that it is estimated that 50 - 60.000 Canadians came south to participate in our Civil War. I find this amazing! Enough to fill the ranks of 50 - 60 full size regiments! Perhaps maybe you have some ancestors that did so. Looking for adventure, I presume....
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 That isn't something Canadians talk about because it sounds terrible that we helped Americans kill each other. I don't think it would go over very well if the situation was reversed & Canada had a Civil war & Americans involved them selves.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 - I suppose you're right, I never thought about it that way. But you've got to remember, times were different then, the political scene was in turmoil, and there was the always "that adventure." And I can't feel anything but admiration for them for wanting to participate....
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 Well Edward P. Doherty distinguished himself when as a Union Army officer formed and led the detachment of Union soldiers that captured and killed John Wilkes Booth, As did the 29 Canadian-born men were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Civil war.
I prefer to see those accomplishments as with those Canadians that joined the US military during the Vietnam war. Those who did so chose to serve a cause greater then National loyalty.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 At Gettysburg 49 known Canadians served with the 24th Michigan, part of the Iron Brigade, one of them was corporal Charles Bellore from southern Ontario whom was shot in the chest and killed carrying the national colors. As it turned out more than half were either killed or captured....
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 Same as the huge number of Americans who joined Canada's military while the USA was still neutral during the 1st World War.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 The 97th Battalion of the Canadian Army began organizing in the latter part of 1915 in the Toronto area. It sought to draw its strength from the growing influx of Americans looking for adventure "Over There". Comprised of over 90% American volunteers it selected for its name the "American Legion". The American influence was so strong that when 97th recruits were sworn in as Canadian soldiers their commanding officer presented each of the volunteers with a small American flag.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 (continued)The new soldier was told to pin it inside his tunic, over his heart.. The battalion motto became "Ill carry this to Berlin or bust" and the Canadian Maple leaf bearing George Washington's coat of arms with a "97" etched on its shield was selected for a cap badge.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 Remember during WW2 "The Arsenal of Democracy". Even before we were involved in the war directly, we were sending massive amounts of war material, mainly to England and Russia."Lend Lease." No other country on earth had the industrial capacity the U.S. had, plain and simple!
bluebelly07 10 months ago
@bluebelly07 I wish like hell we did the same thing during WW2. Kept our people home building our strength. At least the UK took over our debt after the war.
I can hardly blame the US because we were dumb.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago
SO lucky that the bomb did not explode in the ammunition building.
isaacBrockofthe41 11 months ago
Can everyone commenting just take a step back from American motives TODAY and recognize that the motives of the soldiers at Fort McHenry and of all the people of Baltimore were pure and brave. Merchants sunk their own ships, their livelihood, to protect their city, and if that's greed than everyone should strive to be greedy because the actions of the people of Baltimore were truly noble.
AliceCullensAwesome 1 year ago
@AliceCullensAwesome Do you think the Canadians defending their homes were any less noble? Do you think the Natives who were having their lands stolen by America deserved their fate? What of the British who died defending us?
Just remember who declared war on whom before you get all weepy about people sinking their own ships.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 I do remember who declared war on whom and the declaration of war was completely justified in my opinion. The numerous impressments and the disrespect that Britain showed the United States before the war, blockading trade and kidnapping American citizens, all seem to me to be good reasons to declare war on another nation. I'm not saying that the people in Canada shouldn't be admired for when they defended their homes, I was only saying that we should admire these people as well.
AliceCullensAwesome 1 year ago
@AliceCullensAwesome So British Canada would have been justified in declaring war on the Northern States during the civil War? The Union Army kidnapped Canadians to fill the ranks, a practice called "crimping".You seem unaware the USA had agreed to Impressment in the Jay treaty, which even though it had expired & events of the Napoleonic wars made a new treaty unworkable was still in effect.As for blocking trade, the USA objected to our trade with Natives but you felt free to trade with Napolion
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 Jay's Treaty did NOT say impressment was okay, it just didn't address the issue at all, and YES, I do believe that British Canada would have been justified in declaring war on the United States during the civil war for "crimping." No matter who does it, it's wrong.
AliceCullensAwesome 1 year ago
@AliceCullensAwesome When it was signed American Representatives knew what it's omission meant.
Boy! Always the war & genocide with you guys isn't it. Diplomacy works just fine & did in fact work far better then the war worked out for you guys.
Which is why your nation sufferers from a reputation as war mongers & why you have so little international respect in spite of your nations impressive accomplishments. You have a hammer & all your problems look like nails.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 I'm not sure I follow exactly what your saying or understand the connection my comment had to war and genocide. We were being viciously attacked on the high seas, so we dealt with it. We clearly have very different opinions on the matter so I don't feel the need to comment on it any more.
AliceCullensAwesome 1 year ago
@AliceCullensAwesome Being viciously attacked on the high seas? You mean that one attack when one of your ships was knowingly harboring deserters just off your coast?
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
Americans just wanted to take control of the commerce in the Americas from the British and as well as take land from them in Canada. This was the real reason for the war AMERICAN GREED. This is has and still is the reason for the wars that the Americans fight. This is the sad truth.
ginoginoako 1 year ago
@ginoginoako It wasn't greed that caused my grandfather to die in Santo Tomas, or my uncle and father to suffer 3 years in that hellhole. Both American and Filipino blood was shed to defend, and liberate, the country you live in. No patriotic pinoy would dare insult those who gave you liberty, unless you are some spoiled brat that has no honor, or respect for those that gave you freedom.
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck The USA waited until your were attacked yourselves before joining the fight. You weren't fighting for anyones freedoms but your own. You gave nothing to anyone who hadn't been fighting a hell of a lot longer then you slobs & you backed whatever dictator gave you the biggest piece of the pie never who was best for the people of the nations you enslaved by proxy.
Try to stay on topic, it's 1812.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck Let me refresh your memory that the US actually invaded the Philippines first. They fought a mock battle with the Spanish which the Filipinos had actually defeated already almost in all the provinces except for Manila. US came in and took over the Philippines. I wish you are aware of how brutally they treated the Filipinos who opposed them.
ginoginoako 6 months ago
Those that had sacrificed so much to fight the Spanish now had to fight the new colonizers. So was it not greed the reason that US stayed in the Philippines? Just go back on the history of the US. How greed was their motivation for wiping out the Indians, for fighting wars with Mexico, for taking over Hawaii.
ginoginoako 6 months ago
@ginoginoako I some times think "Freedom" is the American word for "greed".
Eddythebeast666 6 months ago
Americans are hypocrites they say they cherish freedom yet they interfere so much with the freedom of the other countries. They went to war with Mexico for territory, went to war with the Spanish for Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines. They made the embargo on Japan (that caused them to attack the US) not because they cared about China (which Japan was at war with) but because Japan was ousting their influence in the east and threatening to break their control in commerce their.
ginoginoako 1 year ago
@ginoginoako You sound like a malapiki...shame on you for dishonoring those who shed blood for your freedom.
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
So you only won in Baltimore cause we made you cower so much in the fort we eventually said "well if they won't fight, there's no point being here"?
Cnd1867 1 year ago
@Cnd1867 Nope...more like "throw what ya can at us, we won't give up ! ". The defeat of the redcoats at Ft. McHenry was a big middle finger in Britain's face, and New Orleans was the asskicking the finish the job !
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck By the time the USA finally agreed to the treaty your forces had repelled from Canada 3 times. Your shipping had been shut down & we were raiding at will up & down your coast. 6 states were ready to leave the Union by the Hartford convention.
You were beaten. To continue would have turned the disaster the war already was for your nation in to annihilation.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 If we were beaten then why didn't the Brits take the US back ? Because we were NEVER beaten. As for Canada, ya might think about they still answer to a monarch, and we don't ! The War of 1812 settled that issue once and for all. Many other countries have pushed the USA to the brink, but we are STILL HERE !
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck There was never any intent to take the USA back. Even if the States left your Union didn't mean they would become British. The only war objective we had was to pacify American aggression.
As Independent colonies the USA had proven to be more profitable as trading partners then as subjects. Canada was cut loose in 1867 for the same reason. You still answer to banks Yankee. The crown in the UK hadn't been running things for a long time same as the USA today. Congress for sale.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 And who appoints your Governor General ? Who does the average Canuck fight against when charged with a crime ...THE CROWN ??? Hmmm ...sounds like you guys still answer to a monarch, whether you want to admit it or not ! Oh, and one last thing...who owns the land in Canada that is the government's...that would be THE CROWN again...
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck your knoledge of the role, power , status and history of the crown is realy quite lacking, its called a constitutional monarch for a reason
rulebritannia1 1 year ago
@rulebritannia1 Really...did you know that only the reigning monarch can declare war ? Or that any Commonwealth nation still has "Crown land" , or that any crime tried that is called xxx vs. the Crown ? Save it , bub, a constitutional monarchy it may be called, but bottom line is "the Crown" is still the norm. I have far more knowledge of your form of government than you think ( ? ) , and you certainly don't know Americans very well !
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck You are flaunting your ignorance about our government system. Vs the Crown, Vs the State What difference does what we call it make?
I'll tell you again your negotiators at the Ghent treaty never asked for anything that you claim you went to war for. The official reasons were smoke & mirrors for the idiots who voted for them.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 What American aggression ? You mean the American resentment and outrage at having our merchant seamen hijacked off of US flagged vessels to fill the ranks of the Royal Navy ? You bet we were gonna get pissed ! Try it again and see what happens !
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck Don't confuse the dog & pony show of your congress as what is really going on in your nation. You don't even know who is pulling your strings & buying your congressmen. Do I have to bring up Shay's rebellion again or all the other times you wound up getting screwed over by your own government?
A nation ruled by a popularity contest.
What a lubricious joke.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 Beats the hell outta being "ruled" by a monarch...and you have Parliament...so what's the diff between that and Congress ? Sorry, you fail ....
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck what a crock of shit
rulebritannia1 1 year ago
@rulebritannia1 What you mean ? The crap that Britain pulled with impressment ? Or the position they took in negotiations when they were hinting at taking back the US ? Please specify what crock of English shit you are referring to...
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck Where in negotiations did The USA ask anything about impressment? None of the so called reasons for the war were even brought up at Ghent. Impressment was an excuse used by Madison to undercut the Federalists in Congress. The War Hawks were from the Native killing, slave states. With impressment as a targeted issue The federalists risked alienating their voting base by opposing the push to war. All the US asked for was compensation for slaves Briton freed.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 The impressed seamen weren't "slaves" on our ships, but sure were made that status by England's impressment ! And history shows that impressing sailors was only abandoned 2 days before war broke out, not enough time for the word to get back to the USA. Screw your "native" term, that applies to anybody who was born here...those are nothing more than earlier immigrants that came from someplace else.
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck impresemnt was a legitamate action to help ensure the survival of the nation and was blown out of proportian and was a non isue at the time of war and i doubt very much that the uk would have wanted to at a time of great instability taken over a vast amount of territory full of unhappy and rebliiouse people with an expanding empire in africa and asia and with the usa being quite a health trading market i see no reason why the uk would have wanted all the 13 collonies back
rulebritannia1 1 year ago
@rulebritannia1 It may have been a matter of some kind of survival for YOUR nation , but it was OUR nationals that were being kidnapped....hmmmm, let's stop your vessels at sea, take people off, and make em mine finders in Afghanistan...how's THAT for a national security solution ? You also forget the great national resources we had at the time that England lost out on by the king not granting reasonable solutions to American objections to the treatment the Crown was handing out.
NamVetBuck 1 year ago
@NamVetBuck The Union army kidnapped Canadians during the Civil war a practice called Crimping. Intelligent nations resolve such things through diplomacy not war. The USA had agreed to impressment in the Jay treaty in exchange for protection from France during the Quasi war & access to India which brought great wealth to the US. The treaty had expired but that's no excuse. Briton was claiming deserters. A practice the USA also takes seriously. Stop acting like a hypocrites.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
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FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT BITCH!!!!! WAR OF 1812 IS BORING!
UnWisestburito 1 year ago
the americans and natives was the most sad time in our history
trumaneckler 1 year ago
@xxxxdukexxxx No, the Natives were NOT a weapon. They were human beings, not guns. What Eddythebeast666 says is true. Idiots in our nation's history broke promises and went against our own word, not to mention stealing back land that we had "given." And I'm American, too- partially of European descent, partially of Blackfeet descent, and my family has been in America for at least 600 years, so I'm not just saying this because I'm biased against America (which I'm not).
FreedomEquityJustice 1 year ago
@FreedomEquityJustice The really sad thing is if the USA just accepted natives as they first did there was no reason to believe the blending of cultures couldn't produce a greater nation.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
This video is so fucking biased its unbelievable.
watch2talk 1 year ago
The British used the Natives as a weapon to give them an advantage, and in the end, the British failed, and were sent home.
xxxxdukexxxx 1 year ago
@xxxxdukexxxx By God Man. The Natives were fighting for their survival against American expansion. They weren't British pawns. The Natives who tried to appease your nation by joining your side all got screwed as Jackson forced the tribes that allied with him to march on the "Trail of Tears". You butchered people who fought beside you. What kind of ignorant buffoon posts such despicable comments? Don't you know your own nations history. Do you even realize how terrible they make you look?
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
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white power white people love each other they don`t kill one another lol lol
TheZaidabdullah 1 year ago 2
@TheZaidabdullah If not race then religion. If not religion then politics. If not politics then money. They always find a reason to kill.
The Native forces under Tecumseh was more then happy to help the white English protestant British kill the white English protestant Americans & in all the carnage some how only the natives truly lost. Sad.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
No HD?????
chinsterboy88 1 year ago
The British Empire had figting all over the world europe,india,africa,oceans and then america tried to take advantage of that and invade there colony canada thinkih the british would be too busy to defend there colony but they defeated the invading armies and invaded america with a few thousands men and it took the americans years to actually stand there ground instead of running away big mistake to declare war on britain they always bounce back!!
martynrobin121 1 year ago
1:38 LIKE A kid in a candy store.
campbpar 1 year ago
what a lot of people do not realise is that the napoleonic wars WAS actually the first world war which the british were fighting in the mediteranean sea,the indian ocean and the caribbean and on land in europe..while burning the whitehouse at the same time and all of this shit...they were doing this out of retaliation for messing about with our shipping..WHICH was the fault of the slimy french to begin with..the powers in whitehall wernt interested in bombing america..we were too busy with bony.
rembrandt1941 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast I thought to better understand us is to look at the Gettysburg scene of Longstreet with the British Colonel Fremantle in comparing the English and the American people and where the similarities stop and that is where most misunderstand of our people
krystalmanor 1 year ago
@krystalmanor Looked At the scene & I can't say I understand. British Over analyzed maybe? Entrenchment vs moble adaptive stratagy?
There was an English Civil war with a brief stab at trying to be a republic in 1649–58 & sepertist movements are nothing new even in Canada although we have never hit triple digit death counts even when they got violent. Freedom was never a founding princable of Canada. Peace, Order & good goverment. Nothing fancy but seems to work... so far. XD
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Eddythebeast666 The idea of different dreams: Opportunities and freedom vs the dream of grandeur and empire
krystalmanor 1 year ago
@krystalmanor LOL Oh. Okay, I get it. Most Native peoples would not see the USA in that light. Especaly since the first thing that happened after independance was a masive move to acquire more realestate.
If I may offer some insight in to the British Imperal mind set. The orignal inhabitants of England spoke a form of Gaelic. The Scotts, Whelsh & Irish still have some trace remnants of it in their custums. The Romans came, Saxons, French Normans, then The Prodestants... Continued
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@krystalmanor After all that blood death & war they weren't speaking Gaelic anymore.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago