Let's Play Lufia & the Fortress of Doom #17 - The Keymaster

[FursenTheFox]

6:04 It's called Quantum Physics.

[pointynives]

longer dungeons?

Where did this come from?

wher is this going?

this thing, i will destroy!

[MKnance]

I hated this the game was fun but the idiots who made the game made to many random battles

[SchlossRitter]

Are you the Gatekeeper?

Newer games have more storage space, so they figure they ought to make everything bigger. People also complain when things are "too short". Goes to prove the adage that you can't please everybody.

[Bowserboy129]

Not even 30 seconds in and your voice already cracked

[ShiranRosa]

what are you talking about? the dungeons in the original FF each took at least 3 hours if you didn't die and made it through in one try. Not saying it's cool, just saying it's not a new thing

[armourdialga]

#cough cough cough# runescape #cough cough cough#

[TheApprenticeSage1]

I guess the game designers wanted the longer dungeons to mimic real life. By making them longer, it makes it seem like you are actually going through the dungeon. That's my theory at least.

[thebeefmaster]

5:09 I was expecting an MGS2 reference. >.>

[Evilmonkey66699]

I blame The Elder Scrolls series for the whole taking a eternity to get from Point A to Point B, more specificity Morrowind since unlike TES 2: Daggerfall and TES 4: Oblivion they didn't have a real system to make traveling long distance easy or shorter. Oh you need to get to the Dunmer Camp in the northern Ashlands? well start walking for the next 35 minutes and hope you don't make a wrong turn or get lost. Of course alot of the Ultima's weren't much better but still.

[jeremy2d]

Apparently, Mummies have such terrible combat skills that they can bite you... AND MISS. 3:55

[jeremy2d]

Apparently, Mummies have such terrible combat skills that they can bite you... AND MISS. 3:55

[blackswan707]

After all of the 5-6 hour Warcraft raids I've been in (never again)..yeah, I'm not happy either about single player RPGs turning dungeons into multiple hour grind fests.

Though, so long as there's enough save points that you don't have to do it all at once, that's ok, but I would hope a very long dungeon would have lots of awesome treasures/plot significance/character development and not just be a way of padding out the game.

[Chosenoneknuckles]

On HC's 'lengthy dungeons' titbit - am I the only one who put FFXII away forever after going through soo many floors at Pharo's Tower [as you never knew whether you were any closer to actual progress]?

Damn that game...

Thankfully, XIII, whilst also guilty of this, actually had interesting characters, plot and battle system to compensate. Not that I'm going back to the FF series anytime soon, but still, XII was abysmal.

[DanTheEnigma]

What does the J in JRPG stand for?

[Chosenoneknuckles]

@DanTheEnigma

That would be Japanese, man. ;-)

[DanTheEnigma]

@Chosenoneknuckles I thought so. I just wanted to make sure. Thanks.

[FallenSnowWolf]

WOW if it takes you 3 hours to get thougth an area in FFXIII then your getting into to many battles.

[BygPhattyPlus]

I have noticed that dungeons in most current RPGs have gotten quite long (FF12 & 13 are big culprits of this). You could a lot more done with less space, just like in the older games. Dungeons could be smaller and still epic!

[FallenSnowWolf]

@BygPhattyPlus 12 i would admite had big dounges but you would also just run from every battel and youd be done in 5 min but i dont find the areas in 13 that long at all, besides would you pay 60$ Lufia now adays??

[BygPhattyPlus]

@FallenSnowWolf $60+ for Lufia or similar game? Yes. Without question.

[FallenSnowWolf]

@BygPhattyPlus LOL ok but most people wouldnt, id play Lufia on Emulator but id never pay that much maybe $15 of course even new games i wait till they come down in price casue im cheap.

[MonoChromium]

Well, HC, you did miss ten years of gaming when you did the Magic the Gathering tours, so I'd say the addition of scope in RPGs (which, mind you, I enjoy quite a bit) happened while you weren't playing. Man, everything happens when you're not looking, huh?

[Rave7557]

Ha... Dark Elf...

[kingkrown24]

@HCBailey I think some guy just said, "hey let's make future RPG's longer to beat so the buyer wil get hooked!" And I guess its been working, maybe if future RPG's were like the past ones people would beat them in days instead of months but it depends on alot of stuff.

[Junafani]

Lost Odyssey has quite short dungeons, about 15-20 minutes. It feels more Final Fantasy than FF13.

BTW. How long videos are you gonna do with FF13? As those areas are quite long to actually do something and they have new monsters so battles are oing to take a some time.

[bp1986]

I can kinda see where they are coming from with the looong battle exploration. If you were a modeler who spent a week of your life making the model for a creature that shows up in one dungeon. You are prolly thinking "These damn players better get a good look at my work!"

[KentoKaima]

I didn't think the key would be that easy to get,in rpgs I always think "this is way to easy"and expect an ambush,but when I think everythings fine..then something goes wrong -_-

[Arceusvids]

Hello! This is HCbailly, and I'm the gate keeper! ON let's play Ghostbusteeeers! And the Fortress of Lufiaaaa!!!

[leshpar]

Once you get to heroics in wow you're prolly not gonna like em. Even with an experienced group they take over an hour and a half. I personally like that feeling of working towards a goal like that. Its really. . .heroic.

[NurseRekka]

O_O

[ShaowNecroX101]

Uh, what? O_o

[HCBaiIIy]

We better go put on God's armor!

[HCBaiIIy]

@Akuatwirl I bet!

[Pickleton]

So there's this giant enemy crab ...

[OmegaXforce]

I'm playing Tales of Vesperia right now (yeah i know it came out on 2008) for the xbox 360 and the game is amazing, I would dare to say is the best jrpg for the next generation, areas are very well proportioned.

[kyo1546]

@Akuatwirl well except for that optional Spririt Temple that thing was long and complicated as balls

[SilentWeaponsIII]

@HCBailly Bears WR Johnny Knox ran circles around my Jets on Sunday. Made me say lots of cuss words and consume lots of alcohol ;(

Jets-Bears would make a great matchup in the Superbowl, though.

[Roboytron]

I think most designers just want you to see all the work put into the game, make it a scenic route

[ms18ins]

Da Bears!

[luthe25]

I know what you mean HC Bailly. I hate playing those games where it takes forever to get past certain parts. I remember playing a certain game where it took me like 3 hours just to get past a certain boss fight.

[SakataRendeva]

Well Golden Sun Dark Dawn just came out, and the dungeons take like half an hour to an hour, depending on how long it takes to figure out the puzzles. I'd suggest buying it :P

[chaggo21]

yeah, what you say about jrpgs is true. especially when they have random encounters, but there are still light jrpgs, im currently playing ARC RISE FANTASIA for the wii and its very well balanced, you can play it kinda hardore or you can play it easy, pretty good rpg there

[Zarggg]

Three hours for a dungeon? Reminds me of BC Raids. :P

[Rusaarules]

You don't always need to recast Float every time. I've used it for one patch and still had it apply to another close by.

[MisterCrim]

I hear what you're saying about JRPGs nowadays. Not only have they gotten longer and more tedious, but they've also lost that flair for good story telling. Mistwalker and Tri-Ace are the only decent RPG developers left IMO.

[MisterCrim]

I hear what you're saying about JRPGs nowadays. Not only have they gotten longer and more tedious, but they've also lost that flair for good story telling. Mistwalker and Tri-Ace are the only decent RPG developers left IMO.

[HypnoticCrimson]

4:48 You can go back to that multiple of level 5 dungeon place?

[HypnoticCrimson]

4:00 Look at Adol's Hp :3

[LogicalMadness]

@HypnoticCrimson Grow up. XD

[HypnoticCrimson]

@LogicalMadness NEVER!!! :3

[EvileLlamaThingeh]

Fun fact I just realised. When I watch HcBailly videos when drunk I reply to him. How fun!!!

[Sephiko]

I recall Rogue Galaxy having dungeons that take hours to beat...

[Hawelo92]

>get the crown for the dark elf

DOHOHO

[ater367]

well think of it this way up here in michigan our team is the lions

[TheMasamuneSeeker]

3D games = 3X as long games

[Destroyificator]

Play Dragon Quest VIII HCBailly! :D



[finaleJ]

yeah i know how HC feels i felt the same way when they took the world map out of ff10 then I stopped seeing games with world maps -.-. guess rpgs are finally going for realism now lol. Which makes me think HCBailly you like exploration and you have a next gen console now, have you considered playing fallout 3 or new vegas. I just got 3 and I've seen other people complain that the amount of stuff to do in one place is more than some games but yet the main quest is faster.

[Urzaran]

I think the objects that look like trees are actually support pillars to prevent cave-ins.  I don't mind playing through dungeons that take a little longer. I guess it's from my time playing WoW. The length of time in a dungeon depends on several factors, I think. The skill level of the player(s), the amount of time spent looking for every single item, or even if you want to grind out a few levels (most likely near the entrance or near a save point).

[Waterwish545]

Even though I'm a New Yorker, I was rooting for the Bears too. Yes, offense to the Jets.

[IanTannerChristensen]

it suck cuz I missed the game except for the end where I got to see my favorite teams face get smashed in!

[GoldenTalesGeek]

Another great vid, HC. I look forward to seeing what happens next. I wish I had a more interesting comment to say, but oh well. Keep up the brilliant work, all the same. :)

[GamerGenesis20]

The Dark elf?! Final Fantasy 1 reference man that LP was a while back.

[SirPercivalGallant]

Ah, Murphy's Law...that's why you never see your team score. It's like if I don't watch the Vancouver Cannucks, they actually do well. If I do, they get clobbered (as usual). XP

I think the public have perhaps wanted longer and more complicated dungeons and larger game settings, or something more 'realistic', because in reality it might take weeks or months to travel great distances, like across whole continents or countries.

What does the fly ring do? More damage to flying enemies?

[PTp1ranha]

Huh? What dungeon takes a few hours?

[MasterDest]

Lufia attacked their weak point for massive damage

[kongk4]

I don't know what RPGs your playing that make you think that(other than Star ocean), but you should maybe play Persona 3(fes or portable) or 4, the only thing that takes long in those games are bosses, dongeons don't take that long, only depends how fast you can go throgh 9 to 12 floor dongeons. XD

[narukamaster2]

@kongk4 i can understand star ocean for nstance the first time u fight the mimic guys or the giant bug on ur 2nd trip to aeos o gawd i reset my game then my dad kicked ass when he figured out how to do the special attack combos with rush... i was pissed

[DanTheEnigma]

That first WOW! in this vid was probably the best one you've ever done. XD

[whattheblox]

you live in illinois, HCBailly?

because a lot of my relatives live there...

[DarkCiticall]

@whattheblox it would be funny if you guys were related XD

[PirateOfAmazon]

05:30

Is it possible that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE noticed?

"I'm about kicking ass, I'm about taking names, we're about making games"

------Reggie Fils-Aime, E3 2004------

[McGack1]

all the trees there were part of a forest which grew over the swamp and then the cave grew over them, dont look at me that way <_<

I dont understand the takes forever complaint, do you want to spend $60+ on something that will be over in 10-20 hours? and thats if you playing slowly mind you

[belgariontheking1]

@HCBailly I think a worse trend thats starting in JRPGs is the games that have absolutely no real plot to them. The one I'm angry at now is called Alterier Rorona which the entire story is you doing fetch quests for your shop. I couldn't even get past about 10 minutes of gameplay because what would be the point there wouldnt be any rewards for playing it.

[ShaowNecroX101]

@belgariontheking1 You're probably like most streeotypical current gamers that have patience problems with JRPGS then because I actually prefer longer games. lol

[belgariontheking1]

@ShaowNecroX101 actually your wrong, because after I've played every Final Fantasy except for 14 because why would I want to. No my complaint if you were literate enough to read my comment was that the game in its entirity is nothing but a giant fetch quest for items for your shop. And I hate fetch quests as sidequests, but having them both the main quest and the side quests being nothing but go into dungeon A and get 5 flowers and come back. That is not a game I want to play.

[ShaowNecroX101]

@belgariontheking1 I'm pretty sure I'm literate enough to know that's what patience problems is based on your story. You just sat there critizing and gave up. You think fetch quests suck? You probably haven't played Chrono Trigger, Persona 3, or even Oracle of Ages to notice that, did ya?

[HCBaiIIy]

@ShaowNecroX101 You better go put on God's armor!

[Maser50007]

You took the words out of my mouth with my JRPG's, ESPECIALLY Final Fantasy 13!

[DiosGX]

Swamp in a cave? Maybe there's a hot springs further beneath? >>;

[Agent0009ng]

0:21 anyone else immediately think of the Staples commercials?

[huskerfan1226]

I love the title of the video Ghostbusters reference

[kibabeatssasuke]

HCBailey they probaly do that so you would say oh the world is huge or someting because old games were to small but they don't put any small towns inbetween

[sergioisevil]

WOW LOOK AT THAT DAMAGE, HOLY COW.

[DestinyQx]

u need trees inside caves, how else would u have the swamp? :) ya i dunno

[VashFanboy1]

Oh god I hate long dungeons, The most notable two that I hate is Fort Fermata in Eternal Sonata and the Pharos Dungeon/tower in FF12.

[inkovicdoeslp]

HCBailey, you make Jay Cutler nervous when your watching ;P

[itchmere]

the evolution of JRPGs have made them into All Show with No Go (in other words, they spend more on Graphics than they do on Dungeon Design / Plot nowadays.

[SuperBern]

Wait what, there's a warp ability? I walked all the fricking way back from Belgen to get to Grenoble >_<

[MWaser]

tell the long dungeons things to Arcanum if you're playing as a mage and don't have fatigue restoring potions. You have to wait 10 minutes for it to restore or go back outside. It's annoying! It takes hours to do anything in big dungeons.

[GuireGod]

9999 gold ftw ^.^

[TheEsperchild]

I agree, Final Fantasy IX had the perfect dungeon length IMO.

Long enough so the story can be paced but not so long I get bored of the enemies.

[Made4542]

Nice Ghostbusters reference in the title HC. And FF1 reference at the end :P

[ValisHD]

11:13 Final Fantasy 1 reference :P

[XKrules]

@ValisHD It's also a Final Fantasy 4 reference (well, the Dark Elf is)

[HCBaiIIy]

@ValisHD NIGGER!!!

[valchrist201]

HCBailly, Use your uh..football disadvantage..to your benefit. Root for the team that opposes the Bears and watch the game. That way the Bears will just facestomp the team you "rooted" for. Maybe..Worth a shot haha.

[Chippermonkey33]

What quarter was it? As the eagles showed against the Giants last week, and the Titans in November, a 10 point lead is nothing, regardless of whether or not it's a happy ending.

[TBOctavann]

I remember feeling the same way about the dungeons, just after I got Fang in that really long ship in FF13. I thought it would never end.

[ValisHD]

WHat no wallmaster O_o

[MSChilly]

HCBailly, how long do you expect this LP to be? I believe you said this game was somewhat shorter than Final Fantasy IX for example, so will there be only 60 episodes or something like that?

Also, as a Bears Fan myself, after hearing you story I'd like to request that you don't watch the Bears playoff games :D

[SuperPersianVersion]

I love hearing personal stories during LPs haha

[4MX5]

Viewer 303 has a huge penis.

[2k7Hoppo2k7]

I hate this game =[ It's like a cross between pokémon and golden sun gone wrong. I can't wait 'til FFXIII though

[itachi4492]

Haa, FF1 reference at the end. Good stuff! Also I really like seeing a new video from you nearly every day, and your little way of saying things makes me laugh too (those things will kiiilll yoooou).

[KarestaEliazal]

I know how you feel about the dungeons... If that's the case, you shouldn't play Demon's Souls...

[Edgewalker001]

It is weird that they would call the antidote spell "Poison" but come to think of it, didn't they name the antidote spell "Poisona" in another game? I don't remember if it's in dragon warrior 4 or in Final fantasy 6...

I mean, if they shorten "Bronze" why not Poisona?

[Elban19]

You've said your complaints about games like Oblivion, or Fallout, but games like that give credit to your "exploration" by means of: if you find "X" place, you can then fast-travel there without it taking a real-time hour to walk there. Even FFXII has a fast-travel, but the developers would like for the journey to happen rather than skip what they've done altogether.

[Ryouseiken]

Personally I like a bit of length in the games that I play, that way I know I am getting my money's worth and like Freedomanganime2 is stating, the actual expansion and length of dungeons/areas is kind of a way to emphasize the depth and grandness of the journey you're undertaking as the protagonist(s).

Not that I disagree with you HC because shorter games like this is also nice and I like playing them too just as much as the longer ones. It's all up to personal preference. : D

[UltimaKeyMaster]

*reads title again* Goddamn, I'm in more games than I think I a-oh...just a plain key? Aww man. =[

[UltimaKeyMaster]

Well, you guys may have beat the Jets, but thanks to another team's incompetence, we're still in the playoffs. ^_^

[legefy]

final fanatasy had very long levels ending with very difficult bosses (curse you barthanderus)

[MegaMrPieman]

Are you going to have like, 30 minute episodes for FF13?

[Freedomanganime2]

I understand that most rpgs now a days have really long dungeons but they really are to emphasizes the grandness of the area and the depth of the journey you are going on. Take a game like Persona 4, you go into the dungeon and when your run out of sp or money you have to leave because the enemies will kill you, that and you can come back at ay time. food for thought.

[Kato86]

As people said.. these things are probably (ugly) tree roots...

On the discussion on the newer games: What does take more effort? Making 10 dungeons lasting 30min, or 30 dungeons lasting 10min? Programmers get lazy as well... and newer games usually just take much longer than old ones. Not saying it's a good thing but on the other hand having a game made of 1000 tiny quests might be as annoying (or having a game only lasting 10h)

But yeah, maybe a few nice short games like this would be nice

[Skyshattered]

HC, if someone were to ask you when you were going to do your tax returns for example, would you say to them "Soon enough, soon enough"? :P Just curious as to whether your mannerisms carry on to real life, either intentionally or unintentionally :D

[crazedlink00]

The Fallout series is a good example of "taking forever to get some where".

[Soapy2077]

@crazedlink00 Its not as bad as oblivion xD and actually ive beeen gettting through the fall out series pretty fast

[djgalven]

I think those things poking out of the walls are tree roots. They can go /really/ far underground, at least the big long center root anyway.

[lecmg]

I accidentally traveled to the wrong place while backtracking through the desert and ended up near the Lost Forest, and had big arrows shooting up my ass.

It was literally "WOW, look at that damage!"

[Deidara8293]

they need to remake this game on psp

[jedisociety]

maybe the team got bailly crused when you were nearby

[supermurloc64]

i think those things coming out of the walls are tree roots? you are underground.

[gmgunner]

aaaawwwww yeah.

[Izius7200]

yesssssssss