Forgive me for saying so but you sound pretty defensive about your religion. I've never heard anyone (maybe a few dyed in the wool puritanical Christians - the sort who shut down the theatres during the "reign" of Oliver Cromwell) say that going to movies is incompatible with their religious beliefs.
Australian actor Frank Thring (Al Kadir) was amazing. He made a career of playing oily drepaved villains. He was Pontius Pilate in Ben Hur and Herod Antipas in King of Kings
@mikelheron20 Agreed. I stand corrected. ‘Oily’ implies ‘smarmy’ & ‘ingratiating’. Mr. Thring was never ingratiating. I struggle to find a word to categorize him. The best I can do is ‘sybarite’. He brought a bit of himself to all his roles, even Pilate. Google ‘Frank Thring, Live Tonight.’ There’s a clip of him on a talk show. He’s urbane, witty, and decadent. He has a razor wit.
@wrybreadspread Thanks for pointing out the chat show clips - very entertaining and eccentric. I notice that one correspondent shares my opinion of his performance as Pilate.
@mikelheron20 regarding my profession of faith; quite so; ignore that; I was trying to sound open-minded and came off as sanctimonious. It's just this; the Born Again piety sometimes disparages watching movies as incompatible with espousing religion; kind of like the tension between religious and secular culture. And I'm too much a fan of good movies; did that make any sense?
@mikelheron20 About Pilate; this is a layered, nuanced performance. He is faintly sardonic and dismissive toward Jews ( as in his comment, "Scorpions and Jehovah"); typically Roman in this regard; He indeed sympathises with Judah Ben Hur, who he sees as a cut above the rabble; he calls Judah "their one true god" after the chariot race victory; this is a marvelous ironic statement; it captures both sides of his character and his ambivalence
@mikelheron20 Permit moi, a born-again Christian, to summarize my sentiments regarding Mr. Thring. Admiration. The
Bing search engine lists his movie roles plus a clip of Oscar Wilde. I consider this to be an apt comparison. Like George Sanders before him, he excelled in sophisticated villainy.
@Mandinko23 el cid shouldn't have saved him. He was merciful and let him live. And 11 of Sancho's extras died, becuase of Rodrigos foolish bad-assness
LIES LIES LIES AS USUSAL ,BECAUSE YUSF BN TASHFIN DIDNT CROSS GIBLTAR TO ANDULSIA(SPAIN) UNTILL MOORS ASKED HIM FOR SUPPORT AFTER THE FALL OF TOLEDO IN 1085 AND HE AND MORAVIDS(MURABTEEN )DIDNT CONQUER VALENCIA UNTILL 1088 SO YUSF IBN TASHFIN DIDNT EXIST IN SPAIN AFTER FERDINAND DEATH IN 1072 AS TOLD BY THE MOVIE ITS LIES FROM AN AMERICAN MOVIE
@Ibntomort The epic itself has a lot of historical inaccuracies, so the Spaniards (and the Frenchman Corneille, whose play Le Cid provided a lot of material for this script) are probably as responsible as the Americans for any embellishments of reality. You make a good point that, while we are entitled to enjoy a good epic story, we should never lose sight of the fact that it is just that--a story.
Forgive me for saying so but you sound pretty defensive about your religion. I've never heard anyone (maybe a few dyed in the wool puritanical Christians - the sort who shut down the theatres during the "reign" of Oliver Cromwell) say that going to movies is incompatible with their religious beliefs.
mikelheron20 1 month ago
No Sancho! :-(
tribune007 2 months ago
Australian actor Frank Thring (Al Kadir) was amazing. He made a career of playing oily drepaved villains. He was Pontius Pilate in Ben Hur and Herod Antipas in King of Kings
wrybreadspread 2 months ago
@wrybreadspread He wasn't an oily, depraved villain in Ben Hur. It was a very sympathetic interpretation of Pontius Pilate.
mikelheron20 1 month ago
@mikelheron20 Agreed. I stand corrected. ‘Oily’ implies ‘smarmy’ & ‘ingratiating’. Mr. Thring was never ingratiating. I struggle to find a word to categorize him. The best I can do is ‘sybarite’. He brought a bit of himself to all his roles, even Pilate. Google ‘Frank Thring, Live Tonight.’ There’s a clip of him on a talk show. He’s urbane, witty, and decadent. He has a razor wit.
wrybreadspread 1 month ago
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mikelheron20 1 month ago
@wrybreadspread Thanks for pointing out the chat show clips - very entertaining and eccentric. I notice that one correspondent shares my opinion of his performance as Pilate.
mikelheron20 1 month ago
@mikelheron20 regarding my profession of faith; quite so; ignore that; I was trying to sound open-minded and came off as sanctimonious. It's just this; the Born Again piety sometimes disparages watching movies as incompatible with espousing religion; kind of like the tension between religious and secular culture. And I'm too much a fan of good movies; did that make any sense?
wrybreadspread 1 month ago
@mikelheron20 About Pilate; this is a layered, nuanced performance. He is faintly sardonic and dismissive toward Jews ( as in his comment, "Scorpions and Jehovah"); typically Roman in this regard; He indeed sympathises with Judah Ben Hur, who he sees as a cut above the rabble; he calls Judah "their one true god" after the chariot race victory; this is a marvelous ironic statement; it captures both sides of his character and his ambivalence
wrybreadspread 1 month ago
@mikelheron20 Permit moi, a born-again Christian, to summarize my sentiments regarding Mr. Thring. Admiration. The
Bing search engine lists his movie roles plus a clip of Oscar Wilde. I consider this to be an apt comparison. Like George Sanders before him, he excelled in sophisticated villainy.
wrybreadspread 1 month ago
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mikelheron20 1 month ago
those bastard that older brother should have never let his younger bro live
Mandinko23 3 months ago
@Mandinko23 el cid shouldn't have saved him. He was merciful and let him live. And 11 of Sancho's extras died, becuase of Rodrigos foolish bad-assness
300warrior300 1 month ago
Thank God that Civilisation was saved from this and that the invaders were ejected from the lands they had desecrated.
modernredeye 5 months ago
Still a great movie.
japittrich 6 months ago
LIES LIES LIES AS USUSAL ,BECAUSE YUSF BN TASHFIN DIDNT CROSS GIBLTAR TO ANDULSIA(SPAIN) UNTILL MOORS ASKED HIM FOR SUPPORT AFTER THE FALL OF TOLEDO IN 1085 AND HE AND MORAVIDS(MURABTEEN )DIDNT CONQUER VALENCIA UNTILL 1088 SO YUSF IBN TASHFIN DIDNT EXIST IN SPAIN AFTER FERDINAND DEATH IN 1072 AS TOLD BY THE MOVIE ITS LIES FROM AN AMERICAN MOVIE
Ibntomort 7 months ago
@Ibntomort The epic itself has a lot of historical inaccuracies, so the Spaniards (and the Frenchman Corneille, whose play Le Cid provided a lot of material for this script) are probably as responsible as the Americans for any embellishments of reality. You make a good point that, while we are entitled to enjoy a good epic story, we should never lose sight of the fact that it is just that--a story.
Seasass 6 months ago