The comet and the coronal mass ejection

[doutchesinse]

i bet i watched this happen from the stereos etc at least 20 times and i can not see how ther is NOT a correlation between the two events. just because i have watched several other events(OBVIOUS near misses because you can see them escaping) where there was no apparent coincidental MAJOR ejection. this one seemed to add mass, energy (pick your term) and perturbed the outer layer enough to CAUSE the ejection, even though it was not a comparatively HUGE cme. i think one cause the other. ????

[divisorplot]

Ferrous and non ferrous asteroids. Just having fun with magnetic and my compass hemagnetic can effect the needle at quite the distants. Polar axis magnetic fields.Some planet have magnetic field some do not . Interesting anyhow magnetic force at a quantifiable distant. Magnetic strength of materials. Binding atom forces the magnetic force field from corona mass ejection. Quantifiable force to alter earths orbit. Can't wait to purchase more at the dollar store the visca pisca model! soul strong!

[PETE4REALITY]

Ill agree with this because these explosions occur from energy within the sun, however the coronal mass ejections you showed (post the comet) appear larger? Interesting.

[stuifje100]

The comet appears to be huge if you scale it with the sun's mass.

Does anyone knows how big this comet was?

[PeterjohnsonLAWL]

I had a coronal mass ejection...in my pants. Not while watching this video though. They should make u watch this video if ur erection lasts longer than 4hours, after taking Viagra.

[Sirjamesalot11]

Wish more theories were presented in this manner, as questions based on observation, instead of as answers based on sophist bullshit.

[Eversity504]

FAKE: the sun isn't blue. Silly scientist. :P

[bimblinghill]

If the comet didn't hit the sun, shouldn't it be possible to observe it (or fragments of it) after its encounter?

I tend to side with the idea that the CME & comet are unrelated, but it certainly looks like they are. Is the reason the CME seems to be flying off in all directions because it is heading towards the viewer. There's different satellites, but were they kind of in line with each other so getting similar perspectives?

[HoaxKillerFriend]

nasa.gov/mission_pages/deepimp­act/media/deepimpact_water_ice­_prt.htm

[frededison]

It's like hand throwing tiny pebbles at a M1A1 tank and expecting the tank to explode. The Sun could eat the Earth if it was hungry enough, and then it might coincidentally pass some gas.

[TheRemedy2012]

LMAO! check out the Nutty professor 2 Armageddon Nightmare Scene

[Jaguwar1804]

Gay

[plasticdoor76]

so you believe that a CME cannot influence the trajectory of a comet coming fairly close to the sun's orbit?

[donaldinks]

Phil:

Of the 3 videos (except #1) shows a "coronal mass ejection"

that encompasses the ENTIRE sun...

which is NOT

"typical"...

[quicktime55]

Are tyou one of those that still believes a comet is just dirty ice, or have you realized they are electrically charged yet?

If so, you would realize that the pre-ejection as the comet approaches could well have resulted from the charge of the comet.

Perhaps you have never heard of the Tempel1 Deep Impact experiment in 2005 that disproved the "icy snowball" theory.

[HoaxKillerFriend]

@quicktime55 You are mistaken about the Tempel 1 Deep Impact Mission. “It’s like a seven-acre skating rink of snowy dirt,” said Peter Schultz, professor of geological sciences at Brown, Deep Impact co-investigator and co-author on the Science paper.

nasa DOT gov

/mission_pages/deepimpact/medi­a/deepimpact_water_ice DOT html

[astrophonix]

@quicktime55 We have, however, heard of you 'plasma universe' paranoid conspiracy nutters. You're the astronomy equivalent of '9/11 truthers' same ignorance of basic science, same bullshit tactics, same lack of any credible evidence, same haters of established facts. You are hereby dismissed.

[rockoz]

Phil, you're the man.

[MrBK76]

YOUR A DUMBASS!!! THE COMET HIT THE SUN!!!!!

[Relativisticism]

I don't think the two events are related.

[Swmhunter]

I have the strangest boner right now O.O.

[TheRemedy2012]

Ok here we go the CME's do happen all the time BUT as you look at the sun's coronal mass ejection upon impact of the comet The CME appears to circle the sun's entire radius on both stereo views you fail bro sorry to say

[ThreeFangCat]

@TheRemedy2012

Your case is, if I understand it is:

(1) The comet hit the sun (unproven, but ok),

(2) A CME resulted which you feel is odd in appearance

Based off one observation, you don't have much room to call fail. Other comet strikes have been recorded. What happened in those cases? See if a pattern develops.

[nld1960]

Any way to tell how large that comet was? Also, that type of "hit" does not happen too often, does it?

[r3bol]

I accidentally Coronal Mass Ejection the earth.

[toomanyfires]

this man obviously is a repilian shapeshifter and agent of the new world order spreading misinformation

[homerbear46]

meh...i don't buy any of this...i say fake....look how big that supposed comet is...look at the angle it comes in at...that's

not skimming around in an orbit...it a direct hit...i don't think the comet is anything other than added white pixels.

[Maxdwolf]

Even without the extra footage I would be skeptical. It takes time for waves to pass through the sun. A lot of time.

[MrVartanjean]

I'm not scientific but before comet hit the sun all cme are going one direction but after hit the biggest cme does 360 degrees around the sun. I never before !!!

[AtheistCitizen]

boo hoo, you take all the fun out of watching  the MrCometWatch channel..

[LadyMyara]

the ejections happened quite right on the other side of the sun after hit by those comets, maybe certain comets with certain materials can cause the ejection while others not thus the two might be correlated but you know better. ^^

[jasonmushersee]

No. CME is a weakening of the suns magnetic field by an outside force in the dark matter surrounding the sun. If a comet were to pass by just as the cme happened the gravitational force from the comet would increase the suns cme and draw the eruptions plasma & magnetic field along for the ride. Just like if you throw a basket ball in a room filled with smoke, the smoke follows the ball. If earth were caught in the cross fire we would be toast.

[astrophonix]

@jasonmushersee "dark matter surrounding the sun"? Do you have any evidence for this? (he asked, expecting the answer 'no'). The gravitational force of a comet is very very small and would have virtually no effect on the sun, whose gravity is very very very big. FYI, the sun contains 99.86% of all the mass in the solar system, so even a big planet like Jupiter has a tiny mass compared to the sun.

[astrophonix]

@jasonmushersee "dark matter surrounding the sun"? Do you have any evidence for this? (he asked, expecting the answer 'no'). The gravitational force of a comet is very very small and would have virtually no effect on the sun, whose gravity is very very very big. FYI, the sun contains 99.86% of all the mass in the solar system, so even a big planet like Jupiter has a tiny mass compared to the sun.

[jasonmushersee]

@astrophonix Space of course is not just a vacuum, its everything. Like earths atmosphere, alot going on. Think of it like this. Spin a basket ball on a needle, now shoot a bb at it. Butterfly effect everywhere.

[astrophonix]

@jasonmushersee I asked you specifically for evidence that there is dark matter surrounding the sun. You could have just admitted you don't have any. Your cute, homely analogies mean nothing if they are not supported by any actual facts. You also ignored the fact that comets have very little gravity compared to the sun. A better analogy would be like shooting a 1 gram pellet at a 10,000 tonne sphere, it would have no discernable affect.

[jasonmushersee]

@astrophonix Come on. Stars are just pimples in space, they come and go. Dark matter has always been here always will. Cant have planet formation without dark matter. Evidence of dark matter? It takes what, 8 minutes for light to reach earth? Why so slow? Why? Because the thick soupy gravity filled dark matter is slowing it down like kevlar. I'm saying a passing comet would effect a stars magnetic field just enough for a brief cme. The comet is the butterfly.

[astrophonix]

@jasonmushersee It takes light 8.16 minutes to reach earth because light travels at 299,792.458 metres per second and it travels 149 million kilometres, dark matter is not involved. What you're saying is simply wrong. You also missed what Phil said about CMEs occurring even when no comets are near and sometimes don't occur when a comet is close to the sun. It's very simple, and your ideas don't work.

[astrophonix]

@astrophonix That should be light travels at 299,792,458 meters per second in a vacuum, and that's why it takes 8.16 minutes to travel 149 million kilometres. Divide 149 million by 300,000 and you get the time light from the sun takes to reach earth. Simples.

[JamesTCA]

A correlation is a type of coincidence, correct?

[554466551]

Thanks, Phil.

They used to do the same trick on television all the time. Someone fires a gun at a helicopter, the helicopter starts venting smoke, it flies behind a building or some other obstacle and then the pyro effects guys let off an explosion. To the audience it looks like the heli crashed.

[bandgeek0165]

Pretty awesome! Thanks for making this video! :D

[claudev8tube]

Or they came in ... PRRRR.... :)

[SydneyEun1]

Love the video! Please do more like this.

[philos4r]

Ice Ice baby.

[philos4r]

knowing what the make up of the sun is. The question is could the cme be produced artificially. If dirt and ice could create cme. it am sure us humans are capable of reproducing one arnt our masters wanting to melt the polar had caps to enter the hollow earth after waking optimus prime :)

[iamgoddard]

Great to see ya Phil! Love to see more educational analytical videos for you. You have an engaging presentation style! You could build a mega-channel here!!

[dom01ful]

Taking into consideration the size of the sun and a average comet it would be ridiculous to assume they're related ..no matter what the comet is made from

Even if its made of spinning molten iron (which generates a magnetic field) it's impossible for something if that size to affect the magnetic lines of the sun

Those CME are just a coincidence

[Lillie1986]

Its easy to see why youre called "thebadastronomer"

[ciararavenblaze]

@Lillie1986 how so?



[MsEsmeMaree]

Unrelated to the topic at hand but I have to say I love your W00tstock poster. I happen to have that same one. It was my first Comic-Con and my first W00tstock.

[kshackleton]

inconclusive

[Pernic10us]

Tell the truth! The comet was an inside job! Damn you Obama!

[Ed1H3r0]

Thats not the sun in your hand o.O

Its too hot to hold it and it doesnt make explosions.

xD

[LordZentei]

You can throw pebbles at a hillside without triggering an avalanche.

Avalanches happen without pebbles being thrown.

But pebbles can still trigger avalanches.

[djluc1d]

@LordZentei Well, not quite. You are still comparing things on scale that isn't totally accurate.

HaleBopp - 96 km in diameter, and a mass of 1.3x10^19 grams. One of the bigger guys.

The Sun- 1.3 million km in diameter, and a mass of 2x10^33 g. More than 99% of the mass in the solar system.

This would have to be a pebble (1 g), thrown at a hillside that was more massive than earth (earth being 5.99 x 10 ^27 g but for scaling I've reduced everything by a magnitude of 10 - so 5.99 x10^26).

[LordZentei]

@djluc1d

Your counterargument is irrelevant. It's not the mass of the entire Sun that's the issue in this case, nor is it the mass of an entire hill that matters for avalanches. In any case, it's an analogy.

[obaeyens]

@LordZentei

-- You can throw pebbles at a hillside without triggering an avalanche. --

Do microbes cause avalanches? Since the mass of the microbe would be equivalent as the mass of the comet in reference to the Sun.

[LordZentei]

@obaeyens

Sigh. It's an analogy. The point is that jut because things can happen without a trigger event doesn't mean that the trigger event never has an effect.

[JimPlaysGames]

What is the supposed mechanism for a comet doing this anyway? Isn't a comet way too small for the sun to be affected by it?

[CognosSquare]

I often drunkenly shout "The Iceman Cometh" related to having a few Coronas and a mass ejaculation. How is this related to this video? Please discuss and report back to me.

[Bracerjack]

Why are they attacking our Sun ?

Leave our Sun alone!!!!

[leaf16nut]

Did he not just answer the question himself?

If you see Coronal mass ejections and theres no comet around; obviously they have nothing to do with eachother!

It's not that hard to figure out...

[AmadeusMaxwell]

@leaf16nut Not necessarily, the CMEs could have multiple causes, comets being one of them, so the CMEs occurring w/o comets could be a secondary reason. Also could be caused by a comet hitting the sun at an angle we can’t see so it looks as if it has no cause. I think the most compelling thing he said was comets hitting and us not seeing a CME, but even still, not all comets are the same I don't think, so it could be that or a CME occurs at angle we can't see. No idea, just speculating.

[AuntieDiluvian]

The tail is still visible when the CME is half way complete so it does look kinda coincidental.

[iucidium1982]

What about Elenin?

[greywolf424]

@iucidium1982 He was talking about Elenin

[shaithesm0ck]

these kinds of images are so cool, made far away from earth and letting us witness events as the happen in our solar system :)

[virumoz]

Back… and to the left. Back… and to the left. Just kidding.

This is so cool! This has been observed from three (3, troi, drei, tre) perspectives. Soho, Stereo ahead and um, the other Stereo we don't talk about. The things we can do... anyway, my money's on

c) coincidence.

[MammalAnonymous]

So any idea if Elenin has disintegrated?

[TheVernon52]

Coincidense? Are you kidding or can't you see what is right before your eyes! This happens over and over again. Do you really think they are unrelated? The sun is a living organism with intelligence just ass the earth is. When large comets approuch the sun it often erupts a CME to deflect them and often there is a CME when it hits the sun. There is no doubt that the sun did both in this instance. This comet was just to fast moving for the sun to defend itself. Badastronomer, yes.

[MammalAnonymous]

@TheVernon52 learn 2 troll

[TheVernon52]

@MammalAnonymous get connected to spirit. Only a person who is spiritually blind could posibly think that the the solar CME and the comet that HIT the sun( Look at more closely because you can clearly see that there was some ejected material on the side of impact) were unrelated. I would share how I know that the sun and the earth are living organisms, but it has to do with spirit and I can tell by your video, that is not something you are connected with. It's all about the light within man!

[IRONMANAustralia]

inb4 Hoagland claims the Coronal Mass Ejection causes the comet.

[MAXIMISEv2]

Thanks for this, Phil. I spent a little bit of time trying to explain to someone that it was a comet and it may not have even caused the CME. Lots of shall we say, "fringe personalities" were hitting the doom button on this one too. sigh.

[TheAraz95]

I saw your show today! ONe of the best I seen on dicovery!

[ablanchi]

WOOOOOOT~!@~~~@~

[AnotherPostcard]

That was cool. You're like the Bill Nye of astronomy!

[Saukko31]

More videos like this, please. :)

Purely from amateurs perspective, I would put my money on that they are not related in any way, sun is massive compared to comets, so are CMEs, how could a ball of dirt and ice affect sun at all?

[tiaxanderson]

@Saukko31 How can a tiny Mosquito affect the Human body at all?

I like @LordZentei 's comparison more. I think that comets might give the CMEs a little extra push.

[KornwallisTV]

@Saukko31 Well, asteroids can be much much smaller than Earth but if one were to impact us it would be horrible, no matter the size. If it landed in the ocean it would cause tsunami's 360 degrees around the likes of which we've never seen and if it her solid ground it would send shock waves, erupt volcanoes, cause huge earthquakes and send literally tons of debris flying everywhere. No matter how small, a foreign body impacting with anything else is monumental and devastating.

[KornwallisTV]

However, the sun isn't liquid or solid ground. This concept is something completely new. I can't say for sure but the scientists working on this hopefully should be able to soon.

[mdubniczki]

@Saukko31 how come pollen makes you sneeze?

[zarkoff45]

Wasn't there some video of comets crashing into the sun a few years ago?

Did that cause a coronal mass ejection?

[simbeau]

I guess correlation really doesn't mean causation. :)

[bobster451]

Awesome!

[theeastwatch]

Well done.

-TEW