I think what the kids are watching nowadays is worse than what Disney often portrayed during their Renaissance. Cartoons and movies today insult children's and teens' intelligence. Back in the day however, animated films, even films in general that were often targeted towards kids, taught them that life wasn't all unicorns and rainbows. And I think it should stay that way. I don't want children to grow up thinking that adulthood is going to be easy and happy, like it's going to be given to them.
Most people shut their eyes and ears when incontrovertible historical evidence points to the fact that Disney, going 'way back to the days of Walt's disastrous management technique itself, reeked of nothing but rampant profiteering, distrust of employees, and outright discrimination (especially of women). By every standard definition, Walt was a giant creep; a good buddy of Joe McCarthy's, and a major proponent for blacklisting many decent Americans. I despise Disney, both man and corporation.
Hey don't lump Ariel into that submissive category! All the princesses after Ariel were very headstrong and independent and Ariel actually saves ERIC first so thank you, bye.
Disney shouldn’t be held at fault. Almost every Disney movie is based off of a story that was fitting for how people thought back when they were conceived. If anything, Disney tones it down, substantially. Many of the common issues people find in Disney, are little more than values dissonance. When the source material was written or first told, it was perfectly acceptable. Men were supposed to be rowdy and insensitive, and women were supposed to be submissive and demure.
i grew up on these movies as a kid, I am afraid these cartoons (and most of the media in the world really), teaches little girls to grow up to be submissive and if they are not beautiful they are doomed to live a sad and lonely life. They warrant beautiful girls sticking up for themselves only to the the extent of it being "endearing" and "cute", all the while still upholding to undertones of submission and timidity. Even today women are only objects. I see that now, and did so as a child.
@shinobiracoon From an older generation..I didn't like what I got from television on a number of levels, so I decided a no-video policy would be good for my daughter, and she has done fine, and is definitely not timid--jumping off a NY city subway to apprehend a thief when she was in Junior High. She's smart, nice, popular and pretty, too : )
Its sad to see all these comments by folks who seem to have been so attached to these Disney images they feel bound to defend them.
Kids do "caught on" alot more than you think. Disney is communisum's best friend. There is an attempt to destroy the American family and to weaken our social order and sadly IT'S WORKING!! wAKE uP! Walt Disney was a personal friend of Hitler. Disney MADE Nazi cartoons (look it up, it's on Youtube!) and they are about to build a new Disneyland in China.
What's wrong with a Disneyland in China? Did you really think Disney is confined to America? It's global. And how will a Disneyland in china affect YOU?
so im 14, and i noticed this kinda thing since i was 5, i was talking to my mom a few days ago bc we were going to see Tangled, the new disney movie, and i pointed these kind of things out, and she grew up wiht these movies, saw ariel in theaters and everyhthing, and never noticed the kind of images they produced, its so odd how ppl can look at soemthign form only one angle and dont see tons of other meanings behind it, good video though
Have you ever read the original Grimm Fairy tales which most of these stories are based on? Most of them were violent. I have to say though you are reaching with your assumptions. First off women in the time period most of these movies take place (1300-1700s) were married young and women who could read were weird because even kings could barely read and write themselves. One thing women who married princes were round looking because look fat was a sign of wealth. Nice try though.
Well, I grew up with Disney movies and still, grew up to be a very MANLY woman... it also depends on how you're raised by your parents.
I think this would apply to many other modern movies/cartoons. Most of the Disney Princesses which present STRONG role stereotypes were created in the 40's-60's... Cartoons like Bratz and Winx focus on girls having to look sexy and fashion, but NEVER actually hint young girls to have any sign of INTELLIGENCE... -->
@SeekerNami --> A clear example of stereotyping women coming to my mind is from the Witch comic (which I used to read as a teen). All girls were cute and became even prettier when they "transformed" into Witches. And they had the most handsome guys for themselves, safe for one... she was the "chubby" type. Yet she was the smart and most kind of them, she had the nerd, ugly guy.I kinda feel like they were teaching girls that if they looked "ugly" (that is chubby) all they'd get are the leftovers
Agreed. But don't diss my winx or bratz lol. Who says you can't be a strong, independent, intelligent, girl, and be a sexy fashion-ista at the same time? like...tyra banks (no homo)
I watched Disney movies all the time as a kid...yet, NONE OF THIS stuff was passed on to me. Most of this behaviour was exhibited by the villains, the bad guys, characters we strive not to be.
Gaston's personality was made to emphasize the "male role" to show its negative traits, the beast had positive traits and no one sees that as sexist. Compliments can't be racist cause they rnt offending. If you walked up to a black man and told him you think he has a big dick, hes not gonna complain. If you walk up to an asian person and tell him you think hes smart, is he gonna throw a hissy-fit? no,
Showing bad behavior from villains isn't promoting it, and most of the bad we see here is from the villains. Gaston, for example - no one watching thinks he's something to copy. Violence? Sure-how interesting would the movies be with no danger? Stereotypes? Eh. Most all media prefers nice-looking characters, so we can't blame Disney there. Plus, it could be argued that slim and fit is healthier, too. I have issues with Disney, but didn't see those here.
Yeah out of context, a lot of stuff proving the opposite. Lot of villains. A little bit of submissive behavior is good, the bad thing is forced behavior. But both men/women need to learn how to just deal with it sometimes. Like in the workforce.
People watch with your kids, at least once. Some things are wrong, none of which are here. I hope this is not just a rant on Disney to get an A because I prefer to see you smackdown your teacher (If he fails you, you go to his boss or their boss.)SONGS!
The only gender problem I have with disney movies is the fact that they are always Damsels in distress! Mulan was one of the few that wasn't. And as for the Hunchback of Notre Dame....I actually thought that wasn't sexist, it's just the time frame it was set in. I wish more disney movies now and days were like The Hunch Back of Notre Dame.
Disney, as well as quite a few other cartoons and films, i have seen, also depict overweight people as being either evil, or bad-natured, corrupt and or misguided and over-indulgent. They also tend to portray old people and ugly people as being evil or corrupt. And Disney portrays the majority of women as being weak physically or stupid. And youths are idiots, while old people are always intelligent but usually mentally unstable. i know that this is not the standard, but it is a majority.
Anyone think it's odd how Disney today is diametrically opposed to the old Disney? It seems like they'll do anything to stay with the culture and PC. I mean, most Disney shows now have the males just tittering in the background like weak dolts while the women do everything.
@Lachdenan: Disney has made a constant effort to please the masses and be with the times, I mean to go from racist and sexist images like Uncle Remus, the Indians in Peter Pan, Snow White, etc to Princess and the Frog, Mulan, etc. is a huge and good jump. Some people are still unhappy though but looking back they've made changes even if little girls still just want to be saved by a prince and do nothing.
I dont get what are you trying to point. That disney movies are violent? You can see more violence while watching the news than watching these movies. They dont reward intelligence, look at Aladin, small but smart, look at Oliver and company. Submissive behavior, some characters are, others arent, look at pochaontas, Esmeralda she wasent submissive, she even saved Casimodo at some point. These are movies... stories.. fiction. Teach kids to make the difference.
Really, did your generation not grow up in this? You seemed to turn out just fine... our kids now are a bit worse off with the junk we have now in my opinion..
They just don't make storytelling like they used to.....
lol When I was young, I never thought about idolising these Disney characters, but more thinking they were cool. I thought that was what other kids were like, but apparantly not.
@mindfreak990 I know I wasn't getting mad about it. Sorry for correcting you :D I was kind of reassuring myself that that's what you meant, System of a down.. right xD
I think it's society than just disney movies. Lol, I watched all the disney movies but I grew up not fitting most gender stereotypes. The only thing Disney really got stuck in my brain was the awesomeness of magic and adventure! Oh man, that'd be awesome.
i think that it's great that disney made the movies historically accurate, even if it means portraying woman as the weaker sex because that's how it was back then. but usually the heroine ended up being the opposite of what was accpted back then. remember, some of these movies were made back in the fifties, when woman were still considered "housewives". very few had careers. yes, i am a woman in case you were wondering.
ok so what is supposed to be put in films for children? men that are weak, woman that are fat and muscley? violence.....kids have to see it at some point. i watched many brutal films when i was younger and i'm fine, stereotypes didn't affect me either. The point is that cartoons accentuate things, like a caricature, they don't look realistic, thats the point! i am seriously getting fed up with everyone wanting everything correct, but no lets all shelter kids from the world.
lol as far as body image... i wanted to be shaped like the girl from the Road to El Dorado disney movie....SMH the things we see as kids really do affect us
The last part really got extra meaning with 'When you were young'. And it's true. All these girls are waiting for their prince. The only 2 I liked were Pocahontas and Mulan.
While I understand your need to put a note at the beginning of this film, I think it is important for people to realize that there is a strong correlation between television viewing and gender stereotypes: children who view more television are statistically much more likely to have stronger, more traditional, and possibly more damaging gender stereotypes. Considering this, even if we don't think the kids always realize it's going on, it is still affecting the way they view reality.
@amccaffree thank you thats exactly one of the points i was trying to get across but everyone else on here seems to be to ignorant to look beyond what i posted to see the meaning and reasoning behind it. Its just nice in the sea of all these negative comments that someone gets where im coming from.
Pocahontas was always my favorite Disney Princess and still is to this day. She was unlike any other disney character (with the exception of Mulan) and she knew who she was,stood up for what she believed in regardless of rules,didn't take shit from anybody, and SHE saved the man in the end.To top it all off, at the end, when she had to make a choice, she choose to stay with her family and didn't have a happily ever after with a man.Her priorities were in order.She is a strong role model.
@ItsLoveOrLust the BAD GUYS treated the gypsies like shit. that shouldn't bother you. If the good guys did it or racism/sexism or something was in some way glorified then you'd have a reason to be annoyed. At any rate, anti-gypsie attitudes were pretty universal back then so it's just being accurate.
@JustThink00 Yeah, I felt like the video didn't really take context into account. A lot of the sexist behavior was perpetrated by unsavory characters which would probably suggest to children that this sort of behavior is undesirable.
@redgirlinbluedresses i am very aware that i used a lot of villians. im a film major and the girl i was working with at the time was not and she was the one who was in charge of getting all the video clips. i had told her what i wanted from each movie and she just kind of go whatever and gave them to me so this is not what i wanted this movie to turn out as but i had to forge forward so i could get a grade for my class =/
@redgirlinbluedresses I agree. In fact, I think that some of these clips were even pulled purposely OUT of context. For example, Esmeralda wasn't being treated that way because she was a woman. She was being treated that way because she was a Gypsy. So many people do the analyses like these and make something out of nothing. It does the movies AND the analyses an injustice.
@JustThink00 Well most of the villagers did too, some even making snide comments. I guess I was just young and stupid and thought it was wrong in general because it was what i was taught, but now that I'm older I've come to realize people were just wrong back then, but it's a little different now.
again, just being accurate. the hero is shown to be above that. it is quite possible for an entire village to be a villain in a sense. clearly the message of the movie was that judging gypsies or ugly people or others is wrong. that part i'm fine with. the part that disturbs me is that it acts like the catholic church is Hitler's satanic cult and being an absolute slut is ok.
much larger proportion would question them when growing up were the gender roles more conforming to our newer/enlightened views on what men and women are and can be like.
And the question is not whether you portrayed only the villains - in these comics women clearly need to be saved by men, look up to men, turn their life around for men. Men/heroes/princes are strong and provide what women need. These are powerful stereotypes. Gladly there ARE exceptions of f.e. respectful men and strong women
You did an excellent job, don't let anyone get you down. Neatly done - and yes, of course gender stereotypes are present in those old fairy tales for centuries. No one has ever questioned these stereotypes on a societal/mass level until the 1970s. So clearly reform in children's education has not had much time to happen! this does not make cartoons conditioning children to be a certain way any better.
Sure not everyone growing up with them holds a reactionary gender role image later. but a
The only ones that would comment that your work is crap are those who would be threatened by exposing the truth which exposes their weaknesses. "Truth passes through 3 stages. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as being self-evident" Arthur Schopenhauer said that. Keep up the good work of exposing the messages intended to keep us all in CON-formation by those who control us via the media for their own purposes.
The only ones that would comment that your work is crap are those who would be threatened by exposing the truth which exposes their weaknesses. "Truth passes through 3 stages. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as being self-evident" Arthur Schopenhauer said that. Keep up the good work of exposing the messages intended to keep us all in CON-formation by those who control us via the media for their own purposes.
thank you for posting! I find the Beauty and the Beast and The Hunchback of Notredame portions especially interesting being as such those portions had a lot to do with peripheral characters that, more often than not, are the villains. I wonder if the crux of the criticism of these movies shouldn't be the emphasis of the heterosexual relationships. I realize that the stories are well-established but these movies essentially end with nuclear romance, despite the heroine's inherent strength.
The only thing I will say is that Gaston from Beauty and the Beast was meant to be a chauvinist pig, he was the villain. Disney was portraying him in a negative light. I'm not saying Disney is perfect, but I think Gaston should be left out of the equation. Otherwise, I pretty much agree. In response to kittali: she might be independant, but she also taught young girls that thier big, abusive boyfriends were really princes at heart, and all they had to do was stick with it! Great message..
@charade539 I don't agree, she started to like the Beast (and then fall in love), because he stopped being like a jerk and started to be nice to her. She was "sticking with him" because she was his prisoner, but she didn't like him until he was nice to her, which I think is a pretty good message. Certainly better than other Disney girls that falls in love with just the sight of their princes/future husbands..
Masculinity:The characters you used(Gaston, the guards in The Hunchback, Frollo) were turned into bad guys, besides Frollo and Gaston dies and the guards get sit on by a horse, who would want to act or think like them.
Violence: I kinda think that Disney fluffed it up. Back when the natives and the British fought there was really more blood and gore, in the real story of the hunchback Esmerelda is hanged, Quasimodo pushes Frollo off a balcony, and Quasimodo dies.
Many of the example scenes are taken out of context.
Gaston is an asshole. Belle is portrayed as being smarter than the town floozies, her reading books and having no desire to be with the macho Gaston.
Hunchback is a bad example. Without violence and beauty there would be no movie. Moreover, Disney did not create the story.
After all is said about Disney being racist, sexist, and bad for children, I still see no harm. Really, it's movies and games based on violence and gore that are harmful.
If you look more closely, there is also a preference for the slightly less mach male protagonist. i.e. Aladdin, who is more boyish. Still Jasmine is basically a belly dancer. Then in beauty and the beast Gaston is "too masculine". Those are generally exceptions though.
She was amazing :] Smart, strong mentally and physically, and still is a girl; pretty and feminine. She balances everything out, without being a useless girly girl, or a total man.
I think the greatest thing about mulan is that she doesn't have to shove her strength in people's faces. She has the strength of a man, but she acts like that's no big deal. It's just who she is.
However i hate the Mulan movie because it was so massively exaggerated. I mean the guys in it are so crude, sexist, and overly macho that they're embarrassing. Apparently Disney thought we weren't intelligent enough for some subtlety.
Nice video!! I never really caught those things when I was little, but what kid did? I watch these movies now and I'm thinking "Holy Sh*it!! That's in there?!! What was Disney thinking?"
I ran out of space. Many of Disney's heroines were strong and independent. Look at Esmeralda and Mulan. They were both fighters, etc. Esmeralda in particular rose above the opressors of her film to do something that no man was brave enough to do - she stood up for her people and even risked her own life for them.
Some of the characters have realistic bodies. They almost all lived in times and areas of corset training. They would have had their bodies altered to give them tiny waists. Some are unrealistic and I'm not protecting all of them, but if you look beyond the surface, you can see that Disney was merely being historically correct. Even Megara's body sort of made sense. Hercules was about Greek mythology - everything in that film was extreme, including the body shapes.
@ShellyBelly123456789 i highly doubt historical accuracy was Disney's main goal when creating these images. I'm sure there are many anachronistic instances in each of the films discussed. Cultural aesthetics and what is considered appealing by the majority seems to be the driving factor in imagery. After all, Disney is a corporation and will capitalize on what makes the most money. The stylistic approach to Hercules is reminiscent of Ancient Greek artistry, specifically found on decorative vases
@Xanaveen Hence why all the characters had extreme body shapes. Hence historical accuracy.
Most of the girls wore corsets anyway. I'm pretty sure Disney just looked at pictures of girls in corsets at the time and copied their tiny waists. If it isn't historical accuracy, then it is just accuracy in the way of making the clothes look authentic.
@ShellyBelly123456789 Aesthetics during the time the films were made is what i was referring to. If corsetry is your argument for the approach to female imagery how does that apply to bare-waisted Princess Jasmine, Ariel and Pocahontas?
@Xanaveen She wears a corset most of the time. And pfft, she's a magical mermaid, like she needs to be realistic. Her dad could just zap her a smaller waist any time he wants.
How can you use these clips to make these points. Belle is not submissive in any sense. When she is in the castle of the Beast she still is led by her instinct for curiosity, and all of these bad stereotypes come from the villains, which even a child can make the connection that if it comes from the villain it is bad. For children everything is black and white, we don't begin to think about grey areas until later and therefore these examples show how disney excels, except at the body image.
Its not programming. Its just a reflection of reality. Men usually control the faith of man kind. They are the ones who step on the moon, discover new countries, invent shit and take the role of leadership. They HAVE to be STRONG to defend and support their women or household. This is just reality.
@Budguy68 Are you aware that women did no achieve these, merely because they were never given the chance to do so? Women even nowadays are educated to one main aim- Get married (And have children etc). This is the RESULT of sexism- Not the cause of it.
Most of this is historically accurate, like the gypsy women being treated like worthless scum, or the girl in beauty and the beast being belittled by Gaston for trying to read, this is all historically accurate in my opinion
@portugalreis spot on, its totally accurate, and if it is sexist, then i will say this: sexism is funny damnit, the only thing unfunny about it is wifebeating which is wrong, otherwise it is dark humor, if you dont appreciate dark humor, then your are the anti-lulz. anonymous have mercy on your humorless souls. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL...LOL.
@portugalreis It might be to some extent historically accurate, but if Disney can update details such as dialect, sources of humour, dress codes etc then why is it so far beyond them to update their portrayals of characters? Example: even though Mulan faces certain death, she saves her country and brings honour to her family, the story only ends/she is only truly happy when she is to be married. Not one human heroine has anything other than the "perfect" body, men cannot be rescued.... ya know?
@portugalreis Pocahontas? That was pretty inaccurate. Or Aladdin? And in beauty and the beast, Belle would have been sold off to pay for her father's debts...it wouldn't really mattered if she could read or not. And the beast doesn't like her because she's intelligent, he likes her for much the same reason as Gaston does. Plus the Disney versions barely stick to the stories they are derived from, let alone the real contextual setting.
First, I'd like to say that I understand that this is a project. Here is my response:
Most of these movies are set back a long time ago (ie. the dresses and men wearing tights (haha)). What I got from those movies was to be yourself and never let anyone tell you what you should do or who you should be. Don't let barriers stand in your way (Belle, Jasmine, Ariel). Yes the way that they meet for 15 seconds and fall in love is misleading, but it has made me strive for some1 that will <3 me.
"Belle has to put up with disgusting antics from Gaston. "
But she doesn't. Gaston is clearly portrayed in the movie as a bully and as a villain. No part of 'Beauty & the Beast' actually glorifies Gaston--not even his song at the tavern [which, instead, pokes fun at his narrow concept of what it means to be a man]. When Belle is threatened by Gaston, she literally shows him the door. And when the Beast also threatens [and carries out] violence, she leaves. Immediately.
On the whole, I think this is pretty good. I have some comments, which I hope you'll find constructive:
1) I like the "violence" section the best. It had a great balance between good characters/bad characters.
2) I think it's best to keep the focus off of villains (like Gaston). The movie was ridiculing Gaston for his over masculinity...the Beast, however, threatened to hit Belle and even said that if she wouldn't eat it with him, she couldn't eat at all. A better example, I should think.
why don't people stop over analysing shit and let other people enjoy their lives> i wont stop my kids watching disney films because of what pricks like you say
it drives me insain when people take clips and call them proof and completely forget to take the plot and what happened in that scene in to consiteration
@happybea -You realize that's because that's how it actually is, right? The ugliest motherfucker in the world can get a hot girl if he is some kind of badass. The same cannot be sad about ugly girls.
It's an interesting compilation of clips my only problem is that there is a plethora of other clips you could use to refute some claims- look at Quasimodo, he is an "ugly" person, a painter and dollmaker and very in touch with emotions. He's also a guy. What he gets in the end is more important than the girl, he gets acceptance by the town.
Also, Jasmine saying she isn't some prize to be won.
Megara in Hercules, being Megara cuz she a tough cookie, as well as Nala "pinned you again!
But Quasimodo is not part of disney's ongoing marketing/merchandising....they only do that with weak women's roles, the princesses...and other "more masculine" characters....cars, to be exact! And these other women you mention, oopsjew, don't show up in repetitive marketing across media and product lines. Jasmine is an also-ran and you almost never see Mulan or Megara anywhere else but in the movie narrative. Where is the big push behind Mulan, who also has some serious flaws?
Disney actually toned down the gender stereotypes when they made these movies. Traditionally, fairy tales were very dark stories that were illegal at their time (that's why so many of them are portrayed at little books; so people could hide them in their clothes) They were absolutely not meant for children and mostly read by adults. It was the Grimm bros. that really revolutionized story telling... they made it kid friendly. If you want proof read some of Hans christian Anderson stories.
I think there over all message maybe that true strength comes from within yet , I see alot of mixed signals thru-out , I would like disney to someday do a cartoon that shows being transgender'd is normal , maybe this decade ?
@MrsxCxRonaldo16 I can respect that , also more than that it's not Disney.... but maybe in another decade , who knows ? normal redefined ? we'll see !!! a Transgender'd princess ? unlikely but possible ...
Trangendered princess? That would be something to see... Although I have always wanted to see a disney movie about a guy who dresses up as a princess for political reasons or something...
The only thing is, being transgendered is definately not normal. I'm not saying that transgendered people should be discriminated against, but it is not normal and it never will be.
Definition of normal is debatable , however I get your drift , Transgender's are simply not mainstream thus they are classified as a minority , but normal people on the inside and by nature as with most anyone else ( mainstream ) * they are . I dont really expect Disney to ever make any TG cartoon , just a thought , like shootng for the starz.
you make some good points, but Belle was a strong female role model. She was smart, well read, independant and stood up for herself. she didn't wait for someone to come save her, but tried to do it herself. She fell in love with a guy not for his looks, but for his good personality. The whole movie is about inner beauty and finding what is on the inside of a person instead of judging them by looks
@kittali Yes Belle was smart, and well read. But what this movie is really showing people (especially young girls) is that it is OK to endure a emotionally, and physically abusive relationship in the name of love. Also Belle is stronger in the beginning of the movie (when she does not have a man) than in the end, because, as with other Disney heroines, She has individual rights. She can read, work, and be independent until she falls in "love" and basically surrenders those rights to be with aman
@kittali Agreed. Had she followed the usual stereotype, she would have fallen for gaston right away, but she avoided him and turned down any requests despite his appearance because she valued one's mind and character :)
This video is a bit misleading for a gender discussion.
In most of the movies shown the men who were violent were bad or the villain and the women in the movies defy the norm, like Belle reads books and thinks for herself and Jasmine doesn't want to follow the rule of being married off, etc.
You can find older movies that adhere to the stereotypes but the context of these films are different than what this video shows and actually show the opposite of what is stated.
My response is watch the movies again and pay attention to their meanings.
Such as in B&tB, Gaston is the stereotype that Belle DOESN'T fall for.
In Hunchback (my fav movie) Quasi is treated badly for his appearance but the lesson is to ACCEPT all people no matter what their appearance.
The violence in Pocahontas was showing the issue the whites had with the Natives and showing kids IT'S WRONG to judge and hate based on race and differences.
I'll give you Sleeping Beauty and Snow White but not the Little Mermaid. The point of the movie was to show the power of love, not submission to Eric.
The body image/sex issue I will give you something for that because they all fit the definition of beautiful for that time (look at Snow white and look at Jasmine, complete change in the view of beauty).
Esmeralda's dancing scene is indeed sexual, she is a gypsy but her beauty was back up by brains and strength and not just her sex appeal.
I honestly think this video tried too hard to look to Disney as a medium of reinforcing stereotypes in the movies shown, besides body image and age everything else was rather off at least with most of the movies shown.
You realize most of the guys that treat women like crap are the villains right? And by body image I'm asuming you mean the dressing attire? I believe thats based off of the actual dressing attire worn by women throughout the ages.
And what does age have to do with anything? There are portrayals of both kind and mean old women so why bring up age?
If you just this for the grade then I understand, but most of the assertions that Disney is sexist usually seem a little over exagerrated at times.
I just love that you included the Hunchback of Notre Dame.... Sorry, buddy, but it's a rather TAME adaptation of a novel. You can't blame Disney for it... if anything, you should thank them for making it a bit more kid friendly.
Let's get one thing straight ! It is not Disney's responsibility to raise the children of the nation. That's why we have parents and family guardians. You're also only focusing on one side of stereo-types. It is clear that this argument is not constructive at all, if you notice disney tends to show the pros and cons of genders and their traits, For example: gaston is domineering and a narcissist yet don't forget he looses to the big intimadating yet very gentle beast in the end !
Watching the video, I kept thinking "That's just silly", but after reading your explanation and the narration that went with it, I thought it was very well done.
I'm curious to know how your anti-Disney teacher responded to it and whether the majority of the class was for or against your argument.
I think what the kids are watching nowadays is worse than what Disney often portrayed during their Renaissance. Cartoons and movies today insult children's and teens' intelligence. Back in the day however, animated films, even films in general that were often targeted towards kids, taught them that life wasn't all unicorns and rainbows. And I think it should stay that way. I don't want children to grow up thinking that adulthood is going to be easy and happy, like it's going to be given to them.
Nerdicaful 1 week ago
disney is weird. i mean what want disney will you make movies for childeren or will you lear them bad things?
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Most people shut their eyes and ears when incontrovertible historical evidence points to the fact that Disney, going 'way back to the days of Walt's disastrous management technique itself, reeked of nothing but rampant profiteering, distrust of employees, and outright discrimination (especially of women). By every standard definition, Walt was a giant creep; a good buddy of Joe McCarthy's, and a major proponent for blacklisting many decent Americans. I despise Disney, both man and corporation.
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SullyMediaProduction 5 months ago
violence*
divegrl6 7 months ago
Hey don't lump Ariel into that submissive category! All the princesses after Ariel were very headstrong and independent and Ariel actually saves ERIC first so thank you, bye.
RandellScandal01 7 months ago
Disney shouldn’t be held at fault. Almost every Disney movie is based off of a story that was fitting for how people thought back when they were conceived. If anything, Disney tones it down, substantially. Many of the common issues people find in Disney, are little more than values dissonance. When the source material was written or first told, it was perfectly acceptable. Men were supposed to be rowdy and insensitive, and women were supposed to be submissive and demure.
kaorufan8 7 months ago 2
i grew up on these movies as a kid, I am afraid these cartoons (and most of the media in the world really), teaches little girls to grow up to be submissive and if they are not beautiful they are doomed to live a sad and lonely life. They warrant beautiful girls sticking up for themselves only to the the extent of it being "endearing" and "cute", all the while still upholding to undertones of submission and timidity. Even today women are only objects. I see that now, and did so as a child.
shinobiracoon 8 months ago
@shinobiracoon From an older generation..I didn't like what I got from television on a number of levels, so I decided a no-video policy would be good for my daughter, and she has done fine, and is definitely not timid--jumping off a NY city subway to apprehend a thief when she was in Junior High. She's smart, nice, popular and pretty, too : )
Its sad to see all these comments by folks who seem to have been so attached to these Disney images they feel bound to defend them.
givebirthathome 8 months ago
I love this! Mad props.
Cavus89 9 months ago
Kids do "caught on" alot more than you think. Disney is communisum's best friend. There is an attempt to destroy the American family and to weaken our social order and sadly IT'S WORKING!! wAKE uP! Walt Disney was a personal friend of Hitler. Disney MADE Nazi cartoons (look it up, it's on Youtube!) and they are about to build a new Disneyland in China.
inkblotangel 9 months ago
@inkblotangel
What's wrong with a Disneyland in China? Did you really think Disney is confined to America? It's global. And how will a Disneyland in china affect YOU?
TastyPepperoniPizza 6 months ago
so im 14, and i noticed this kinda thing since i was 5, i was talking to my mom a few days ago bc we were going to see Tangled, the new disney movie, and i pointed these kind of things out, and she grew up wiht these movies, saw ariel in theaters and everyhthing, and never noticed the kind of images they produced, its so odd how ppl can look at soemthign form only one angle and dont see tons of other meanings behind it, good video though
lilpug101 1 year ago 2
"Violance"? Maybe you should learn to spell before you try anything else.
userdetails1 1 year ago
If only quality was better :/
Zielin87 1 year ago
Have you ever read the original Grimm Fairy tales which most of these stories are based on? Most of them were violent. I have to say though you are reaching with your assumptions. First off women in the time period most of these movies take place (1300-1700s) were married young and women who could read were weird because even kings could barely read and write themselves. One thing women who married princes were round looking because look fat was a sign of wealth. Nice try though.
jparso3 1 year ago 3
@jparso3 lol yay someone knows what their talking about
simbalolo 10 months ago
im not sure I agree witht this
CrazyRandomFunTime 1 year ago
Well, I grew up with Disney movies and still, grew up to be a very MANLY woman... it also depends on how you're raised by your parents.
I think this would apply to many other modern movies/cartoons. Most of the Disney Princesses which present STRONG role stereotypes were created in the 40's-60's... Cartoons like Bratz and Winx focus on girls having to look sexy and fashion, but NEVER actually hint young girls to have any sign of INTELLIGENCE... -->
SeekerNami 1 year ago
@SeekerNami --> A clear example of stereotyping women coming to my mind is from the Witch comic (which I used to read as a teen). All girls were cute and became even prettier when they "transformed" into Witches. And they had the most handsome guys for themselves, safe for one... she was the "chubby" type. Yet she was the smart and most kind of them, she had the nerd, ugly guy.I kinda feel like they were teaching girls that if they looked "ugly" (that is chubby) all they'd get are the leftovers
SeekerNami 1 year ago
@SeekerNami Yeah, that is in no way reflective of reality.
johnboymccraken 1 year ago
Agreed. But don't diss my winx or bratz lol. Who says you can't be a strong, independent, intelligent, girl, and be a sexy fashion-ista at the same time? like...tyra banks (no homo)
Prankster206 1 year ago
I watched Disney movies all the time as a kid...yet, NONE OF THIS stuff was passed on to me. Most of this behaviour was exhibited by the villains, the bad guys, characters we strive not to be.
LeonSKennedy828 1 year ago
Did any of us really grow up poorly though, because we watched these videos???
(btw, this comment isn't meant to bash your video, because I liked it... I was just wondering)
BrittCo33 1 year ago
Gaston's personality was made to emphasize the "male role" to show its negative traits, the beast had positive traits and no one sees that as sexist. Compliments can't be racist cause they rnt offending. If you walked up to a black man and told him you think he has a big dick, hes not gonna complain. If you walk up to an asian person and tell him you think hes smart, is he gonna throw a hissy-fit? no,
RandomGenericComment 1 year ago
This was obviously made by a fat chick thats jealous cause she'll never be as pretty as a princess.
gorgoroth626 1 year ago
Showing bad behavior from villains isn't promoting it, and most of the bad we see here is from the villains. Gaston, for example - no one watching thinks he's something to copy. Violence? Sure-how interesting would the movies be with no danger? Stereotypes? Eh. Most all media prefers nice-looking characters, so we can't blame Disney there. Plus, it could be argued that slim and fit is healthier, too. I have issues with Disney, but didn't see those here.
LadyGreenEyes964 1 year ago
Good video !!!
btw, what are the names of these songs? i like them =)
mexgurl521 1 year ago
Yeah out of context, a lot of stuff proving the opposite. Lot of villains. A little bit of submissive behavior is good, the bad thing is forced behavior. But both men/women need to learn how to just deal with it sometimes. Like in the workforce.
People watch with your kids, at least once. Some things are wrong, none of which are here. I hope this is not just a rant on Disney to get an A because I prefer to see you smackdown your teacher (If he fails you, you go to his boss or their boss.)SONGS!
JohnBorgy 1 year ago
178 People Likes Disney
TwilightStarSarah 1 year ago
The only gender problem I have with disney movies is the fact that they are always Damsels in distress! Mulan was one of the few that wasn't. And as for the Hunchback of Notre Dame....I actually thought that wasn't sexist, it's just the time frame it was set in. I wish more disney movies now and days were like The Hunch Back of Notre Dame.
DravenUrei 1 year ago 2
Disney, as well as quite a few other cartoons and films, i have seen, also depict overweight people as being either evil, or bad-natured, corrupt and or misguided and over-indulgent. They also tend to portray old people and ugly people as being evil or corrupt. And Disney portrays the majority of women as being weak physically or stupid. And youths are idiots, while old people are always intelligent but usually mentally unstable. i know that this is not the standard, but it is a majority.
childofdemonicwind24 1 year ago 2
Anyone think it's odd how Disney today is diametrically opposed to the old Disney? It seems like they'll do anything to stay with the culture and PC. I mean, most Disney shows now have the males just tittering in the background like weak dolts while the women do everything.
Lachdenan 1 year ago
@Lachdenan: Disney has made a constant effort to please the masses and be with the times, I mean to go from racist and sexist images like Uncle Remus, the Indians in Peter Pan, Snow White, etc to Princess and the Frog, Mulan, etc. is a huge and good jump. Some people are still unhappy though but looking back they've made changes even if little girls still just want to be saved by a prince and do nothing.
TheSirJecht 1 year ago 2
I dont get what are you trying to point. That disney movies are violent? You can see more violence while watching the news than watching these movies. They dont reward intelligence, look at Aladin, small but smart, look at Oliver and company. Submissive behavior, some characters are, others arent, look at pochaontas, Esmeralda she wasent submissive, she even saved Casimodo at some point. These are movies... stories.. fiction. Teach kids to make the difference.
Pekeno201 1 year ago
is it weird i really want a meatball sub after watchin this?
love the music and the subject
however racism has been left out
wheres the latians in disney??
and how about how they say to 'love your abuser'
or how if 'you're ugly you wont get the girl'
and lets not forget the hate to stepmothers lol
although disney early moves are going with fairy tales...
either way great vid (minus the fact it made me hungry for some odd reason)
and GREAT MUSIC!! that cant be denied
boomingpearl 1 year ago
Women aren't men you stupid butch lesbo
GuysSeriously 1 year ago
Disney or planet earth?
TufffCop 1 year ago
Really, did your generation not grow up in this? You seemed to turn out just fine... our kids now are a bit worse off with the junk we have now in my opinion..
They just don't make storytelling like they used to.....
HeroFlame 1 year ago 3
tell me u got an A on this
FinalSquall 1 year ago
lol When I was young, I never thought about idolising these Disney characters, but more thinking they were cool. I thought that was what other kids were like, but apparantly not.
SerenitytheDragonair 1 year ago
Funny thing is these were back when Disney movies were actually good.
ShadowSoldior 1 year ago 3
you used alot from beauty and the beast from the douchebag character....the beast in the end, if memory serves correctly was sensitive and kind
tilpin313 1 year ago
For a classroom discussion? And you used SAOD's Violent Pornography? LOLOLOLOLOLOL Mad respect man.
mindfreak990 1 year ago 13
@mindfreak990 hahaha yeah thanks. my teacher loved it. he has a deep hatred for disney so he thought it fit very well. =)
enelyawood 1 year ago
@mindfreak990 You mean SOAD. You said System a of down. Lol
MusikkIzMiLiffee 6 months ago
@MusikkIzMiLiffee Whatever. Twas a simple typo, no big deal.
mindfreak990 6 months ago
@mindfreak990 I know I wasn't getting mad about it. Sorry for correcting you :D I was kind of reassuring myself that that's what you meant, System of a down.. right xD
MusikkIzMiLiffee 6 months ago
@MusikkIzMiLiffee Yeahlol
mindfreak990 6 months ago
I think it's society than just disney movies. Lol, I watched all the disney movies but I grew up not fitting most gender stereotypes. The only thing Disney really got stuck in my brain was the awesomeness of magic and adventure! Oh man, that'd be awesome.
dragonflameofdark 1 year ago
-_- Dude. Can't we just watch Disney movies with out trying to find some hidden meaning?
CourtneyxStarshipp 1 year ago 4
@CourtneyxStarshipp Read the message in the beginning of the video ?Hi made this for a sake of dicussion .-.
Altter221 1 year ago
@CourtneyxStarshipp People want attention, and what way to get it? Hate on Disney, always works, sadly.
LeonSKennedy828 1 year ago
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johnboymccraken 1 year ago
i think that it's great that disney made the movies historically accurate, even if it means portraying woman as the weaker sex because that's how it was back then. but usually the heroine ended up being the opposite of what was accpted back then. remember, some of these movies were made back in the fifties, when woman were still considered "housewives". very few had careers. yes, i am a woman in case you were wondering.
MsVampkiller 1 year ago 6
ok so what is supposed to be put in films for children? men that are weak, woman that are fat and muscley? violence.....kids have to see it at some point. i watched many brutal films when i was younger and i'm fine, stereotypes didn't affect me either. The point is that cartoons accentuate things, like a caricature, they don't look realistic, thats the point! i am seriously getting fed up with everyone wanting everything correct, but no lets all shelter kids from the world.
cokerainbows 1 year ago
lol as far as body image... i wanted to be shaped like the girl from the Road to El Dorado disney movie....SMH the things we see as kids really do affect us
reeseleebaby 1 year ago
@reeseleebaby Road to El Dorado is not a Disney movie. Its Dreamworks.
imagineerboi 1 year ago
The last part really got extra meaning with 'When you were young'. And it's true. All these girls are waiting for their prince. The only 2 I liked were Pocahontas and Mulan.
Natulcien1992 1 year ago
haha id have to admit that now that i think of it tinker bell was one of the first chicks i was attracted to ahaha
thabushdoctor 1 year ago
While I understand your need to put a note at the beginning of this film, I think it is important for people to realize that there is a strong correlation between television viewing and gender stereotypes: children who view more television are statistically much more likely to have stronger, more traditional, and possibly more damaging gender stereotypes. Considering this, even if we don't think the kids always realize it's going on, it is still affecting the way they view reality.
amccaffree 1 year ago 3
@amccaffree thank you thats exactly one of the points i was trying to get across but everyone else on here seems to be to ignorant to look beyond what i posted to see the meaning and reasoning behind it. Its just nice in the sea of all these negative comments that someone gets where im coming from.
enelyawood 1 year ago
the hunch back was one of the movies that made me said that the hero should end up with the girl
Knightrider7602 1 year ago
love the song choices!
yaoifreak95 1 year ago
@yaoifreak95 thanks =)
enelyawood 1 year ago
Pocahontas was always my favorite Disney Princess and still is to this day. She was unlike any other disney character (with the exception of Mulan) and she knew who she was,stood up for what she believed in regardless of rules,didn't take shit from anybody, and SHE saved the man in the end.To top it all off, at the end, when she had to make a choice, she choose to stay with her family and didn't have a happily ever after with a man.Her priorities were in order.She is a strong role model.
fadedsummerdream55 1 year ago 3
I really enjoyed this video. Great song choices. :)
BrainStew80 1 year ago
@BrainStew80 thank you =)
enelyawood 1 year ago
The hunchback of notradome irked me when i was a kid...people treated The Gypsie like shit...and My family was a bunch of Gypsies
ItsLoveOrLust 1 year ago
@ItsLoveOrLust the BAD GUYS treated the gypsies like shit. that shouldn't bother you. If the good guys did it or racism/sexism or something was in some way glorified then you'd have a reason to be annoyed. At any rate, anti-gypsie attitudes were pretty universal back then so it's just being accurate.
JustThink00 1 year ago
@JustThink00 Yeah, I felt like the video didn't really take context into account. A lot of the sexist behavior was perpetrated by unsavory characters which would probably suggest to children that this sort of behavior is undesirable.
redgirlinbluedresses 1 year ago 24
@redgirlinbluedresses i am very aware that i used a lot of villians. im a film major and the girl i was working with at the time was not and she was the one who was in charge of getting all the video clips. i had told her what i wanted from each movie and she just kind of go whatever and gave them to me so this is not what i wanted this movie to turn out as but i had to forge forward so i could get a grade for my class =/
enelyawood 1 year ago
@redgirlinbluedresses I agree. In fact, I think that some of these clips were even pulled purposely OUT of context. For example, Esmeralda wasn't being treated that way because she was a woman. She was being treated that way because she was a Gypsy. So many people do the analyses like these and make something out of nothing. It does the movies AND the analyses an injustice.
LittleHobbit13 7 months ago
@JustThink00 Well most of the villagers did too, some even making snide comments. I guess I was just young and stupid and thought it was wrong in general because it was what i was taught, but now that I'm older I've come to realize people were just wrong back then, but it's a little different now.
ItsLoveOrLust 8 months ago
@ItsLoveOrLust
again, just being accurate. the hero is shown to be above that. it is quite possible for an entire village to be a villain in a sense. clearly the message of the movie was that judging gypsies or ugly people or others is wrong. that part i'm fine with. the part that disturbs me is that it acts like the catholic church is Hitler's satanic cult and being an absolute slut is ok.
JustThink00 8 months ago
Nice video to point out things and to provoke thoughts...
mokana713 1 year ago
much larger proportion would question them when growing up were the gender roles more conforming to our newer/enlightened views on what men and women are and can be like.
And the question is not whether you portrayed only the villains - in these comics women clearly need to be saved by men, look up to men, turn their life around for men. Men/heroes/princes are strong and provide what women need. These are powerful stereotypes. Gladly there ARE exceptions of f.e. respectful men and strong women
dinavienna 1 year ago
You did an excellent job, don't let anyone get you down. Neatly done - and yes, of course gender stereotypes are present in those old fairy tales for centuries. No one has ever questioned these stereotypes on a societal/mass level until the 1970s. So clearly reform in children's education has not had much time to happen! this does not make cartoons conditioning children to be a certain way any better.
Sure not everyone growing up with them holds a reactionary gender role image later. but a
dinavienna 1 year ago
The only ones that would comment that your work is crap are those who would be threatened by exposing the truth which exposes their weaknesses. "Truth passes through 3 stages. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as being self-evident" Arthur Schopenhauer said that. Keep up the good work of exposing the messages intended to keep us all in CON-formation by those who control us via the media for their own purposes.
watchtheduck 1 year ago
The only ones that would comment that your work is crap are those who would be threatened by exposing the truth which exposes their weaknesses. "Truth passes through 3 stages. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as being self-evident" Arthur Schopenhauer said that. Keep up the good work of exposing the messages intended to keep us all in CON-formation by those who control us via the media for their own purposes.
watchtheduck 1 year ago
thank you for posting! I find the Beauty and the Beast and The Hunchback of Notredame portions especially interesting being as such those portions had a lot to do with peripheral characters that, more often than not, are the villains. I wonder if the crux of the criticism of these movies shouldn't be the emphasis of the heterosexual relationships. I realize that the stories are well-established but these movies essentially end with nuclear romance, despite the heroine's inherent strength.
angrypsychobaby 1 year ago
The only thing I will say is that Gaston from Beauty and the Beast was meant to be a chauvinist pig, he was the villain. Disney was portraying him in a negative light. I'm not saying Disney is perfect, but I think Gaston should be left out of the equation. Otherwise, I pretty much agree. In response to kittali: she might be independant, but she also taught young girls that thier big, abusive boyfriends were really princes at heart, and all they had to do was stick with it! Great message..
charade539 1 year ago
@charade539 I don't agree, she started to like the Beast (and then fall in love), because he stopped being like a jerk and started to be nice to her. She was "sticking with him" because she was his prisoner, but she didn't like him until he was nice to her, which I think is a pretty good message. Certainly better than other Disney girls that falls in love with just the sight of their princes/future husbands..
minuteofdecay00 1 year ago
i think that subliminal messages are real and when children are repeatedly exposed to an idea like bigotry it rubs off even if they don't realize it
iloveumyra 1 year ago
Crap.
animal1887 1 year ago
Masculinity:The characters you used(Gaston, the guards in The Hunchback, Frollo) were turned into bad guys, besides Frollo and Gaston dies and the guards get sit on by a horse, who would want to act or think like them.
Violence: I kinda think that Disney fluffed it up. Back when the natives and the British fought there was really more blood and gore, in the real story of the hunchback Esmerelda is hanged, Quasimodo pushes Frollo off a balcony, and Quasimodo dies.
purpletweety911 1 year ago
Many of the example scenes are taken out of context.
Gaston is an asshole. Belle is portrayed as being smarter than the town floozies, her reading books and having no desire to be with the macho Gaston.
Hunchback is a bad example. Without violence and beauty there would be no movie. Moreover, Disney did not create the story.
After all is said about Disney being racist, sexist, and bad for children, I still see no harm. Really, it's movies and games based on violence and gore that are harmful.
LastTaboo 1 year ago
good music
wazii6 1 year ago
If you look more closely, there is also a preference for the slightly less mach male protagonist. i.e. Aladdin, who is more boyish. Still Jasmine is basically a belly dancer. Then in beauty and the beast Gaston is "too masculine". Those are generally exceptions though.
resonantdave 1 year ago
Mulan: Kicking girly ass one movie at a time.
She was amazing :] Smart, strong mentally and physically, and still is a girl; pretty and feminine. She balances everything out, without being a useless girly girl, or a total man.
We need more characters like her!
lavenderblossom 1 year ago 2
I think the greatest thing about mulan is that she doesn't have to shove her strength in people's faces. She has the strength of a man, but she acts like that's no big deal. It's just who she is.
However i hate the Mulan movie because it was so massively exaggerated. I mean the guys in it are so crude, sexist, and overly macho that they're embarrassing. Apparently Disney thought we weren't intelligent enough for some subtlety.
JustThink00 1 year ago
Nice video!! I never really caught those things when I was little, but what kid did? I watch these movies now and I'm thinking "Holy Sh*it!! That's in there?!! What was Disney thinking?"
browniethepirate 1 year ago
Can someone tell me what the movies are at about 4:20, 4:40? They look similar... are they from the Hunchback of Notredam? Thanks!
Sarutoke333 1 year ago
I ran out of space. Many of Disney's heroines were strong and independent. Look at Esmeralda and Mulan. They were both fighters, etc. Esmeralda in particular rose above the opressors of her film to do something that no man was brave enough to do - she stood up for her people and even risked her own life for them.
ShellyBelly123456789 1 year ago
Some of the characters have realistic bodies. They almost all lived in times and areas of corset training. They would have had their bodies altered to give them tiny waists. Some are unrealistic and I'm not protecting all of them, but if you look beyond the surface, you can see that Disney was merely being historically correct. Even Megara's body sort of made sense. Hercules was about Greek mythology - everything in that film was extreme, including the body shapes.
ShellyBelly123456789 1 year ago
@ShellyBelly123456789 i highly doubt historical accuracy was Disney's main goal when creating these images. I'm sure there are many anachronistic instances in each of the films discussed. Cultural aesthetics and what is considered appealing by the majority seems to be the driving factor in imagery. After all, Disney is a corporation and will capitalize on what makes the most money. The stylistic approach to Hercules is reminiscent of Ancient Greek artistry, specifically found on decorative vases
Xanaveen 1 year ago
@Xanaveen Hence why all the characters had extreme body shapes. Hence historical accuracy.
Most of the girls wore corsets anyway. I'm pretty sure Disney just looked at pictures of girls in corsets at the time and copied their tiny waists. If it isn't historical accuracy, then it is just accuracy in the way of making the clothes look authentic.
ShellyBelly123456789 1 year ago
@ShellyBelly123456789 Aesthetics during the time the films were made is what i was referring to. If corsetry is your argument for the approach to female imagery how does that apply to bare-waisted Princess Jasmine, Ariel and Pocahontas?
Xanaveen 1 year ago
@Xanaveen Pocahontas' waist is fine. And Ariel wears a corset. :B
Jasmine's just weird.
ShellyBelly123456789 1 year ago
@ShellyBelly123456789 lulz@weird jasmine. ariel as a mermaid wears no corset
Xanaveen 1 year ago
@Xanaveen She wears a corset most of the time. And pfft, she's a magical mermaid, like she needs to be realistic. Her dad could just zap her a smaller waist any time he wants.
ShellyBelly123456789 1 year ago
How can you use these clips to make these points. Belle is not submissive in any sense. When she is in the castle of the Beast she still is led by her instinct for curiosity, and all of these bad stereotypes come from the villains, which even a child can make the connection that if it comes from the villain it is bad. For children everything is black and white, we don't begin to think about grey areas until later and therefore these examples show how disney excels, except at the body image.
fusselljk 1 year ago 2
Belle: Portrayed a smart, kind, intelligent woman who is not afraid to be out of the commonplace of society for a woman.
Megara: A strong, self dependent woman. Listen to her dialogue, I see nothing male oppressed about her.
Mulan: Though disguised as a man, she saved an entire country and proved a woman could do anything a man could.
Also, most of the men who are overly masculine either go through a dramatic change or are portrayed negatively. I say nay, but you show good points.
AnimeEyes143 1 year ago
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AnusreeAnuradha1 1 year ago
esmeralda is a strong female role too.
rubiscool1 1 year ago
lolz, woman want protection and support, men want sex and companion. they both have want the other wants.
nabnutsy 1 year ago
@picopicodisko
Its not programming. Its just a reflection of reality. Men usually control the faith of man kind. They are the ones who step on the moon, discover new countries, invent shit and take the role of leadership. They HAVE to be STRONG to defend and support their women or household. This is just reality.
Budguy68 1 year ago
@Budguy68 Are you aware that women did no achieve these, merely because they were never given the chance to do so? Women even nowadays are educated to one main aim- Get married (And have children etc). This is the RESULT of sexism- Not the cause of it.
KyleKragen 1 year ago
I think that Pocahontas is an extremley powerful female lead ancd she is not a helpless girl.
mlballerina 1 year ago 2
Out of contex, its all believable. It is a good way to provoke thought.
4lifejackhammer 1 year ago
Whats the song at like 0:44 ?
FlaminsnowxD 1 year ago
Hello!
Please don't ever remove these videos! I plan to show them to my classes :D
bunnydudette 1 year ago
Most of this is historically accurate, like the gypsy women being treated like worthless scum, or the girl in beauty and the beast being belittled by Gaston for trying to read, this is all historically accurate in my opinion
portugalreis 1 year ago 20
@portugalreis spot on, its totally accurate, and if it is sexist, then i will say this: sexism is funny damnit, the only thing unfunny about it is wifebeating which is wrong, otherwise it is dark humor, if you dont appreciate dark humor, then your are the anti-lulz. anonymous have mercy on your humorless souls. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL...LOL.
dudesquad47 1 year ago
@dudesquad47
/b/rother you just broke rules 1 &2
portugalreis 1 year ago
@portugalreis It might be to some extent historically accurate, but if Disney can update details such as dialect, sources of humour, dress codes etc then why is it so far beyond them to update their portrayals of characters? Example: even though Mulan faces certain death, she saves her country and brings honour to her family, the story only ends/she is only truly happy when she is to be married. Not one human heroine has anything other than the "perfect" body, men cannot be rescued.... ya know?
wrongsideofthemirror 1 year ago
@portugalreis Pocahontas? That was pretty inaccurate. Or Aladdin? And in beauty and the beast, Belle would have been sold off to pay for her father's debts...it wouldn't really mattered if she could read or not. And the beast doesn't like her because she's intelligent, he likes her for much the same reason as Gaston does. Plus the Disney versions barely stick to the stories they are derived from, let alone the real contextual setting.
firstdeserter 1 year ago
First, I'd like to say that I understand that this is a project. Here is my response:
Most of these movies are set back a long time ago (ie. the dresses and men wearing tights (haha)). What I got from those movies was to be yourself and never let anyone tell you what you should do or who you should be. Don't let barriers stand in your way (Belle, Jasmine, Ariel). Yes the way that they meet for 15 seconds and fall in love is misleading, but it has made me strive for some1 that will <3 me.
pixielove1992 1 year ago
"Belle has to put up with disgusting antics from Gaston. "
But she doesn't. Gaston is clearly portrayed in the movie as a bully and as a villain. No part of 'Beauty & the Beast' actually glorifies Gaston--not even his song at the tavern [which, instead, pokes fun at his narrow concept of what it means to be a man]. When Belle is threatened by Gaston, she literally shows him the door. And when the Beast also threatens [and carries out] violence, she leaves. Immediately.
HighwayJoe 1 year ago 2
wuts wrong with being realistic? lol
ok but seriously, there have to be some redeeming qualities...
DaDayumn 1 year ago
gotta say the best part of this video is the music
redhotnica 1 year ago
agreed. was gonna make same comment. system 4 life...
OtakuSakoXD 1 year ago
gotta say...the best part of this video is the music
redhotnica 1 year ago
great video. brings up some really intriguing points!!
patriotsgirl0912 1 year ago
On the whole, I think this is pretty good. I have some comments, which I hope you'll find constructive:
1) I like the "violence" section the best. It had a great balance between good characters/bad characters.
2) I think it's best to keep the focus off of villains (like Gaston). The movie was ridiculing Gaston for his over masculinity...the Beast, however, threatened to hit Belle and even said that if she wouldn't eat it with him, she couldn't eat at all. A better example, I should think.
JKPS613 1 year ago
LOL It's cool XD
KitsuneLexi12 1 year ago
Uh, are we talking about the same Anastasia? Not Anastasia from the movie Anastasia, Anastasia from Cinderella. You know, "Evil Stepsister"? XD
KitsuneLexi12 1 year ago
why don't people stop over analysing shit and let other people enjoy their lives> i wont stop my kids watching disney films because of what pricks like you say
FrutieRoxxi 1 year ago
Bash me what you will but kudos to you for this video. I bet the discussion with your class was interesting!
GamerTara328 1 year ago
mulan was the only girl disney character i wanted to be like when i was a little girl, i hated all those pansy princesses, and she was tough. lol.
halleyscomet22 1 year ago 61
@halleyscomet22 you mam have jus won my respect (i hated the princess pansy club)
e69alpha 1 year ago
it drives me insain when people take clips and call them proof and completely forget to take the plot and what happened in that scene in to consiteration
megahappypinkskitty 1 year ago 2
hahahahahahaha! 6:33 made me laugh histericaly!
xochequetsal 1 year ago
you want violence watch dragon ball z
fanjap 1 year ago
disney insinuates that even the ugly guys can get the gorgeous girl, yet there are simply no fairytales for ugly girls
happybea 1 year ago 2
@happybea -You realize that's because that's how it actually is, right? The ugliest motherfucker in the world can get a hot girl if he is some kind of badass. The same cannot be sad about ugly girls.
worthlessdrunk 1 year ago
@worthlessdrunk
thank you captain obvious.
happybea 1 year ago
Anastasia from Cinderela got he rman eventually. That bread maker dude. I think XD
KitsuneLexi12 1 year ago
Shit. I meant Cinderella XD
KitsuneLexi12 1 year ago
It's an interesting compilation of clips my only problem is that there is a plethora of other clips you could use to refute some claims- look at Quasimodo, he is an "ugly" person, a painter and dollmaker and very in touch with emotions. He's also a guy. What he gets in the end is more important than the girl, he gets acceptance by the town.
Also, Jasmine saying she isn't some prize to be won.
Megara in Hercules, being Megara cuz she a tough cookie, as well as Nala "pinned you again!
Mulan, Lilo
oopsjew72 1 year ago
But Quasimodo is not part of disney's ongoing marketing/merchandising....they only do that with weak women's roles, the princesses...and other "more masculine" characters....cars, to be exact! And these other women you mention, oopsjew, don't show up in repetitive marketing across media and product lines. Jasmine is an also-ran and you almost never see Mulan or Megara anywhere else but in the movie narrative. Where is the big push behind Mulan, who also has some serious flaws?
sauticml 1 year ago
Disney actually toned down the gender stereotypes when they made these movies. Traditionally, fairy tales were very dark stories that were illegal at their time (that's why so many of them are portrayed at little books; so people could hide them in their clothes) They were absolutely not meant for children and mostly read by adults. It was the Grimm bros. that really revolutionized story telling... they made it kid friendly. If you want proof read some of Hans christian Anderson stories.
poxyratarsed 2 years ago
lol 5:40 she so flashes it to him!
initword1 2 years ago
i pity anyone who looks at these films in such a crass and judging way.
Disney is supposed to happy and uplifting, dont be so synical (i dont care if thats spelt wrong).
hvdind 2 years ago
I think there over all message maybe that true strength comes from within yet , I see alot of mixed signals thru-out , I would like disney to someday do a cartoon that shows being transgender'd is normal , maybe this decade ?
LadySierraSays 2 years ago
its not normal.
MrsxCxRonaldo16 2 years ago
@MrsxCxRonaldo16 I can respect that , also more than that it's not Disney.... but maybe in another decade , who knows ? normal redefined ? we'll see !!! a Transgender'd princess ? unlikely but possible ...
LadySierraSays 2 years ago
Trangendered princess? That would be something to see... Although I have always wanted to see a disney movie about a guy who dresses up as a princess for political reasons or something...
CaptianClueless 1 year ago
Ya , hey that would be cool too !!! ( but dont hold your breath for it ) !!!
LadySierraSays 1 year ago
The only thing is, being transgendered is definately not normal. I'm not saying that transgendered people should be discriminated against, but it is not normal and it never will be.
worthlessdrunk 1 year ago
Definition of normal is debatable , however I get your drift , Transgender's are simply not mainstream thus they are classified as a minority , but normal people on the inside and by nature as with most anyone else ( mainstream ) * they are . I dont really expect Disney to ever make any TG cartoon , just a thought , like shootng for the starz.
LadySierraSays 1 year ago
I would have liked to be part of this discussion. I think it would have been interesting. :)
AttemptedAnime 2 years ago 2
Isint that real life??? well I think it is. Not only animated movies for kids have all those points.... DISNEY FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!
Fairytaleprincexy 2 years ago
you make some good points, but Belle was a strong female role model. She was smart, well read, independant and stood up for herself. she didn't wait for someone to come save her, but tried to do it herself. She fell in love with a guy not for his looks, but for his good personality. The whole movie is about inner beauty and finding what is on the inside of a person instead of judging them by looks
kittali 2 years ago 30
@kittali I agree with you
rubiscool1 1 year ago
@kittali Yes Belle was smart, and well read. But what this movie is really showing people (especially young girls) is that it is OK to endure a emotionally, and physically abusive relationship in the name of love. Also Belle is stronger in the beginning of the movie (when she does not have a man) than in the end, because, as with other Disney heroines, She has individual rights. She can read, work, and be independent until she falls in "love" and basically surrenders those rights to be with aman
mifflinlax09 1 year ago
@kittali Agreed. Had she followed the usual stereotype, she would have fallen for gaston right away, but she avoided him and turned down any requests despite his appearance because she valued one's mind and character :)
ZiggyKitty 1 year ago
@ZiggyKitty Too bad it doesn't work that way.
Napoleonisneat 1 year ago
@Napoleonisneat Did for me :) Don't be so negative.
ZiggyKitty 1 year ago
This video is a bit misleading for a gender discussion.
In most of the movies shown the men who were violent were bad or the villain and the women in the movies defy the norm, like Belle reads books and thinks for herself and Jasmine doesn't want to follow the rule of being married off, etc.
You can find older movies that adhere to the stereotypes but the context of these films are different than what this video shows and actually show the opposite of what is stated.
TheSirJecht 2 years ago 2
My response is watch the movies again and pay attention to their meanings.
Such as in B&tB, Gaston is the stereotype that Belle DOESN'T fall for.
In Hunchback (my fav movie) Quasi is treated badly for his appearance but the lesson is to ACCEPT all people no matter what their appearance.
The violence in Pocahontas was showing the issue the whites had with the Natives and showing kids IT'S WRONG to judge and hate based on race and differences.
TheSirJecht 2 years ago 2
I'll give you Sleeping Beauty and Snow White but not the Little Mermaid. The point of the movie was to show the power of love, not submission to Eric.
The body image/sex issue I will give you something for that because they all fit the definition of beautiful for that time (look at Snow white and look at Jasmine, complete change in the view of beauty).
Esmeralda's dancing scene is indeed sexual, she is a gypsy but her beauty was back up by brains and strength and not just her sex appeal.
TheSirJecht 2 years ago 3
I honestly think this video tried too hard to look to Disney as a medium of reinforcing stereotypes in the movies shown, besides body image and age everything else was rather off at least with most of the movies shown.
TheSirJecht 2 years ago
You've said it much better than I could.
NvrTryNvrFail 2 years ago
You realize most of the guys that treat women like crap are the villains right? And by body image I'm asuming you mean the dressing attire? I believe thats based off of the actual dressing attire worn by women throughout the ages.
And what does age have to do with anything? There are portrayals of both kind and mean old women so why bring up age?
If you just this for the grade then I understand, but most of the assertions that Disney is sexist usually seem a little over exagerrated at times.
WolfGreed 2 years ago
i love that song when you were young
thedarkwingsakou 2 years ago
I just love that you included the Hunchback of Notre Dame.... Sorry, buddy, but it's a rather TAME adaptation of a novel. You can't blame Disney for it... if anything, you should thank them for making it a bit more kid friendly.
razzie27 2 years ago 2
kids who are watching this don't have the idea development to decipher ideas that your video is composed of.
RemysPetite 2 years ago
Let's get one thing straight ! It is not Disney's responsibility to raise the children of the nation. That's why we have parents and family guardians. You're also only focusing on one side of stereo-types. It is clear that this argument is not constructive at all, if you notice disney tends to show the pros and cons of genders and their traits, For example: gaston is domineering and a narcissist yet don't forget he looses to the big intimadating yet very gentle beast in the end !
nikkiirene27 2 years ago
It's not an argument. It's just for discussion. Please chill out. Thanks.
anal8anana 2 years ago 2
Watching the video, I kept thinking "That's just silly", but after reading your explanation and the narration that went with it, I thought it was very well done.
I'm curious to know how your anti-Disney teacher responded to it and whether the majority of the class was for or against your argument.
firenat 2 years ago
Well, at least Gaston was villain.
LadyBlutHecate 2 years ago