Interview with Physicist David Bohm (Part 1/5)

[MABAK000]

How humans were thousands and thousand of years ago - when there werent millions of people around dicoursing their tone or belief - is how we should be now - this would solve so many of our problems - awareness! - stilling the self - using the silence

just

you and existence - bear in mind our language holds us back alot

[MABAK000]

'the way we see is the way we think '

- awareness is key

[ves1429]

Will reincarnation be possible in David Bohm's model??

[RalfLippold]

Great talk - DIALOGUE behind the obvious #DavidBohm

[L00kng]

The interviewer is having a hard time shifting into the Meta...

[mannyste]

True genius able to educate a idiot like me.. it is not easy to do that lol

[conaman551]

He is da Bohm!!

[itsonelouder1]

I'd love scientists to become more interested in nondual teachings (Advaita, Buddhism, Taoism etc). There are parallels because, as David says, their theories are telling them that the universe operates as a whole, & therefore nondual. Where's the harm in investigating these ancient teachings (through meditative and spoken inquiry) and exploring it's inherent wisdom, it could really help them start thinking out of the box in terms of their scientific research.

[3877michael]

@itsonelouder1 Check morphic fields and Rupert Sheldrake. Also David Bohm was long time friends with Krishnamurti. See the interview. Funny but the best scientist are all closet mystics. Insights, imagination and new ideas all come from the invisible mystic world. Relax the blissful clear light of the void can not be denied.

[FlickiesIsland]

@3877michael Einstein wasn't, Stephen Hawking isn't. some are

[3877michael]

@FlickiesIsland Ok. Still Einstein said some pretty wild stuff and he was a christian. If it turns out that dark matter is conscious and has qualities of a mother / god then Stephen Hawking will be seen in a new light. My POV is that thinking is profoundly mystic. We do not know what consciousness is. We do not know were thoughts come from. All kind of magic .

[FlickiesIsland]

@3877michael not Christian, he was a Jew...i found this from a letter he wrote [Feb. 5th 1921]: "The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion." i think that's pretty clear, of course he may have been wrong about the whole thing but let's not distort his views...i agree about consciousness, people are looking into it though--there are some good theories

[3877michael]

@FlickiesIsland True about Einstein. 

[josepzurc]

alguna alma caritativapodria tradui aquest documental??

Amés!

[fealgu100]

I really don't see anything great about this man. The fact that he derived his conclusion using well established methodology disproves his point. Calling something 'Wholistic' doesn't change anything. It seems that he was trying to use physics to make a car fly, and sure, using enough force will lift off the vehicle. But why waist your time when we already have airplanes. The Standard Model has been successful at making good predictions.

[BeatleEDs]

@fealgu100 - Your comment is nonsensical and does not address any of his points. What is it that you are objecting to?

[qcon81]

@fealgu100 Well, you are right, if one was to be only concerned with physical---technological advancement.. Hi s work offers greater implications for a shift in one's consciousness and this is what is more important. He was not only a physicist who was concerned with just technological advancement. He was using physics as a means to help bring about change in humanity by offering his profound insights.

[pumitaproductions]

Bohr vs Bohm haha

[23moksha]

The man was astonishing. Calling him a genius almost seems to be an understatement.

[RobtNJ]

He left us a lot, a persecuted man (by HUAC) forced into exile, rejected by his own country and suffered terrible clinical depressions. He left us a lot, TG he's in a better place now.

[erocker2020]

His implicate and explicate order and his showing that the Universe is so completely whole, One, helped birth the holographic theory and has spiritually inspired science. I love this man!

[AnimayeIsGaye]

Fuck McCarthy!

[RMProdux2008]

in the part you can find the whole and the whole is all in the part. a paradox similar to the Taoist everythingness comes out of nothingness_or 'in a grain of sand you can find entire deserts and entire deserts are in a grain of sand. in your mind (Part) you can find information about the ENTIRE universe. the WHOLE. almost spiritual how one can connect with 'God', entangled particles can be galaxies away and connect instantaneously. this might explain experiences of alternate realities in dreams

[righteousfury1]

he kind of looks like david rockefeller , especially when he smiles. Hmm..

[guzsaj]

I always get so sad when I think about how depressed he was sometimes. A great man with great ideas, living amongst beings whojust dont give a shit.

[RalfLippold]

Unbelievable clear words - 20 years back #TheoryU @OttoScharmer1

[reivenlocke]

Funny that Bohm was a student of Einstein and is at the Bohr Institute considering Einstein and Bohr couldn't stand the sight of each other in their later years.

[AhamBrahman]

what a fucking god who is totally under-appreciated. All of chaos theory and dissipative systems in biology and chemistry are holistic and process oriented. Bohm is the father of all of that shit.

[seniorbooboojuice1]

David Bohm was brilliant. Fortunately the ones who appreciate him and his work are the enlightened ones.

[Karlemids]

he was unique in he challenged the status quo of quantum physics.

i'd have loved to have heard his theories on dark energy.

[feizex]

For a transcript of a similar interview with David Bohm...

Google "interview with david bohm". Should be top link fdavidpeat.

[TodaysThought]

This man was brilliant.

[selfscienz]

He saw nothing and therefor everything and everything is all energy. We can never reach the source

[elflaco31]

hi Roubiere.

Have you got the transcript of ths interview??

thank you.

[Roubiere]

Sorry, I don't have a transcript.

[joethepro3]

i think the only reason they're uncomfortable about changing the theatre seats (theroies) is because no matter how far scientists go into explaining the unknown, they only need to look inside themselves.

[FeelOfFriction]

So little we know

[FacultyZ]

Bohm's theory has moved on in the work on Symplectic algebra and the wave equation. Thus leading to the discovery that the symplectic symmetry in Quantum theory is actually a double cover called a metaplectic group (mathematician Maurice de Gosson & prof Basil Hiley), whos work not only embraces the uncertainty principle in relation to Bohm theory, but also shows that some kind of uncertainty principle may manifests itself on the classical level as well!

[FacultyZ]

Bells theory is a first-order-in-time equation specifying the velocity of the particles in a system. Newtonian accelerations, forces and potentials play no part in the description of the dynamics. Where as Bohms theory is a second-order theory is predominantly that of a constrained classical mechanics. There are restriction of the initial momentum, non-local potentials, forces and accelerations of quantum-mechanical origin.

[FacultyZ]

New scientist even today (22 March 2008) mistakes the pilot wave theory by late John Bell with Bohm theory. Now while they start along similar lines, in that they both reject the notion that the unit observable is always the preferred determined observable, there are major differences.

[PegasusWhiteRose]

For me, Bohm was a genius and remains still widely misunderstood in his own field. As he says, its non-scientists who tend to find his ideas easier to understand and accept. At base, he was asking scientists to shift their perspective from where it had been for the last 200 years ie away from an atomising, Newtonian Mechanism and out to a more Holistic view. As we see here, he identifies Classical Physics as the abberation, not the other way round. Ancient thought was holistic...

[PegasusWhiteRose]

He was accused of being 'unscientific' and in the sense that he anticipated an entirely new way of looking at things suggested by Quantum Science he was. He was not a reductionist but an 'expansionist', arguing for an 'expansion' of our perspective into potentially infinite layers of Order. Right now, he is dismissed as being 'too mystical'. Meanwhile we are still crashing around with an old way of thinking which is getting us nowhere...

[PegasusWhiteRose]

Nevertheless he is one of the few Quantum Scientists who became comprehensible to the wider public and a fearless and visionary thinker who tried to change the way we do things for the better. Indeed, he is one of the few Scientists of his time since Einstein who regarded Science as needing to engage with the wider issues and implications their discoveries offered... Thanks for posting this!

[intrascoobz]

My "nudging" to question everything opposite has been as a guide to step out of downward spiral of typcial "dog eat dog" mentality. I can see why divisional hatreds & structured imposed beliefs have historically been implemented. True human nature has been manipulated 2 react 2 that which is produced as a belief. I came across video The Matter Of Mind which reminds me of what Einstein was trying to say. Was he reduced to silence too? To dare to step into unknown aside from taught thought?

[joethepro3]

i too have stepped into the thought world, i cannot out reach my idea's of conceptionism to the rest of the world probably because of my lack of intellegence proof hahaha. but to find your own way through life is the main reason in why were stepping through these realities, i like to think so at least. : )

[Massimo1GK]

very well said Pegasus,

Unfortunately It's typical of the contemporaries to bash the most gifted among them..the future generations will pay him the tribute that he deserves

[PegasusWhiteRose]

So much of what he said is looking like being right, particularly our 'multidimensional' reality. Its a mystery to me why String Theory's idea of 'multidimensionality' has taken the credit for this idea when Bohm had it too. Never mind. After all, does a Prophet not always have no respect in his own country? LoL!

[PegasusWhiteRose]

Plus isn't String Theory's 'multidimensionality' a demonstration of how one has to resort to 'hidden variables' to explain QM? By this I don't mean 'hidden variables' in the sense Bohm perhaps meant them (I find the Causal Theory very hard to understand) but to unify QM String Theory has to posit the existence of these dimensions which are 'hidden' in some sense.

[PegasusWhiteRose]

I think Bohm's biggest 'crime' in the eyes of the Scientific Community was expanding out of the Lab into Mysticism, Philosophy and Politics. And of course he was a constant heretic in most matters, which no establishment, Scientific or otherwise, likes. As for Einstein, well he was allowed to dabble in those things because of his enormous status, PLUS he lived at a time when other elements of thought beyond Science were not dismissed so easily...

[PegasusWhiteRose]

In fact all that great generation of QMers - Heisenberg, Planck, Bohr, Pauli, Wigner, Eddington, Schroedinger - were interested in Philosophy, Mysticism, Ideas. Those were the days of the well-rounded Scientist who didn't sneer at and reject anything that was not his own discipline.

[commodoreherring]

i don;t agree, it is simply a linguistical accident. the hidden dimensions posited by string theory are not an attempt to 'explain' quantum theory. although the degrees of freedom they introduce are not observable in our macroscopic realm (and are therefore"hidden")... they are of a kind that (in certain limits) would be perfectly intelligible to newton and all of classical physics. they are no different in kind to our familiar 4 dimensions. bohm is speaking of something deeper...

[joethepro3]

true, true. : )

some at least can respect his attempts

[PegasusWhiteRose]

I certainly do!

[PegasusWhiteRose]

I think the Scientific Establishment never forgave him for being the first to try and seriously challenge the Copenhagen Interpretation. Alas, nobody likes a heretic, even within Science! Right or wrong, the Causal Theory rocked the boat and people don't like that. Bohm never said he had the answer, he only proposed an alternative which might be looked into. It never REALLY was... I am confused about the Hidden Variables, though. Doesn't String Theory, deal with those, after all?

[commodoreherring]

to continue: as a practioner, i agree that string theory represents a (possible) beautiful unification of space time and matter. however, bohm is urging that over and above such attempts, we must revolutionise the worldview upon which they are founded. this goes well beyond science and scientists. he is urging us to recognise our own participatory role: that we are not detatched observers of this cosmos but one with its undivided wholeness. a state to be acheived, strings won't do it for us!

[PegasusWhiteRose]

I agree. They won't 'do it for us'. All I was doing was referring to how Bohm was ahead of his time and how String Theory was confirming what he said, even though he remains out in the cold according to so many Scientists.

The shift in perception we need we need anyway. We have to make that change in understanding towards an awareness of Wholeness, not just in terms of QM but everything - politics, economics, society, philosophy, spirituality. No disagreement there.

[GoldenBoughTrader]

Yet the establishment didn't go after Einstein, and he wouldn't even listen to Bohr. The point being even very intelligent people can be willfully blind or deaf as the case may be. In order to hear the truth you first have to want to hear the truth. Some people just don't want to. They're fixed in their ways.

[lightwarrior1982]

This is a man that has seen into the eyes of God. Notice how he laughs when he finishes an idea, thats from exitement of knowing you are clarifying a truth and passing it on.

[iaeruo]

yeah i agree..

[ALGERNONSENCE]

I love what your saying - I recognise that same sence of delight in myself when I've stumbled upon a new insight that truely helps to reveal something new to me about the nature of my relationship to this elusive and incredibley complex phenomena we call life.I think Bohm had an instinctive way of knowing that informed his thinking and this is what made him so original in his approach. Perhaps the basis of his thinking was closer to spiritual apprahension than scientific enquiry?

[Deev65]

@lightwarrior1982

or he's just a nervous speaker.



[conaman551]

@lightwarrior1982 If only we were all capeable of doing this.



[allyjar]

thank you !!!!!!!!!