This is a satanic video. I can tell by the big devil to the right of the video. Anyways Jesus is God says in this verse he is the mighty god.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus = inorganic alien mind parasite .. This is a non organic being Not of this Earth here to get you to believe in him so he can devour the energy of your awareness and turn the Earth into a desert. When someone says you are born in sin they are really saying organic life is repulsive
So what is holy then? ... the Annunaki?? You know, in time soon enough you all will be on your knees before Jesus. The willing and the unwilling alike. I sure wouldn't want to be one of those who question the authority of JesusChrist. So, see ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
@BSmenot Before Jesus ascended back to heaven he said "all authority has been given me in heaven and on earth." The question you will have to answer is: Who gave Jesus that authority? Did he give it to himself? If you believe Jesus is God then you believe that Jesus makes nonsensical statements. You better get it sorted out while there is still time.
@ewatchmandotcom You think in human logic. You surmise within your own mind. You are like a dog chasing its tail. You can't figure it out with your own faculties. It will always be a mystery to you, and others who think in the human finite sense.You must give your heart and mind to God(Jesus), or you will stay in the quagmire and darkness of your own mind. You cannot see what others see who has the spirit of God(Jesus) dwelling in them. Give yourself to Jesus and he will reveal.
@BSmenot You must be an idiot. Certainly you are advocating mindlessness. You are suggesting that you give your heart to something that you refuse to try to understand. That is irrational. Why not become a Hindu? On the other hand, God commands us to love him with our whole MIND and heart. How can you truly love someone you do not know? You can't. That is why the Devil promotes mindless worship. You need to use your head and stop being foolish.
@ewatchmandotcom Like I said your mind is dark, and your ignorance is known by your cheap shot insults and disparaging words . It is apparent that you don't know God, and that is why this all seems like nonsense to you. Keep digging, it seems you seek something you cannot see yet. Sorry to say, you will find out the hard way. I hope your confusion and dissidence will subside soon. Have a nice day. No response is necessary, unless you willfully wish to cause discord.
@BSmenot Like a say, you are a proponent of dark age religion. Like the foolish trinitarian clergy, you refuse to use your mind because God is an unknowable mystery to you. Because others do not go along with your superstitious religion of mindlessness, you condemn them as evil people who think too much. You claim to see and know God, but you have no way of explaining him. How convenient. Like Jesus said the the Samaritan woman. "You worship what you do not know."
@ewatchmandotcom You sure assume a lot. Notice the root word of assume. If you think you are right in your mind then it's a free country. You can think what you want, and be as ignorant and combative all you want. You can sling arrows and throw stones. But know this, you will be responsible for everything that comes out of your mind. I hope you find peace. Call on Jesus, you may be surprised. But to do that you must give up your hate and animosity, and stop being a dick.
@BSmenot You are the one making foolish assumptions. You come onto my channel touting your mindless religion and condemning people who actually think and who out people like yourself for promoting an empty-headed religion based on dark age theology. And you assume that because I do not share your ignorance that I do not know or honor Jesus. Your religion is a sham.
@BSmenot You really are an advocate of dark age religion, aren't you. If your appeal to irrationality doesn't work you can always fall back on slander. Apparently, anyone who uses their mind to disprove the nonsensical trinity is dangerous and insane. Really, though, the Jews said the same about Jesus, that he was demonized and crazy. You are just doing the will of your father.
@ewatchmandotcom Sir it seems you are mad at something. I'm sorry that you hate yourself. Your dicussions and comments are fruitless. Well get over it. All you are doing is accusing. Do you know who is the great accuser? It's your father the devil. You can't win. All you can do is be a pain in the ass. There is no truth in you, just discord. Have a nice day. You can go away now.
@BSmenot I am not angry. Nor do I hate myself. I just have very little toleration for your sort of foolishness. Of course, it is fruitless to rebuke a fool. The proverbs say that you can grind a fool with a mortar and pestle and their foolishness will not depart. You demonstrate the truthfullness of that axiom. As for going away, you are on my channel! You go away!
@ewatchmandotcom Well sir I do have a couple questions? I agree that Jesus will be called Mighty God. Can you please explain in Isaiah 10:20-23. And also compare Isaiah 44:6 with Revelation 1:17,18. Those passages seem to show that there is ONE GOD, who is referred to as Mighty God and referred to as The First and the Last. Both Jesus and the Father are called these titles. Can you please clear that up for me sir?
@ewatchmandotcom Hi Watchman. I hope all is well. On the comment you made about Jesus making a "nonsensical" statement, I think you're smarter than that. For those of us who embrace God's triune nature, Jesus being God makes complete sense. It's not a problem at all. Further than that, it's a doctrine easily defended by Scripture. There is nothing nonsensical about it. It may be beyond the realm of our full understanding, but so is God's infinity and lots of other stuff!
@frenchyo7,Now show me a scripture where Jesus says "I am God."..i don't want to hear what paul,matthew,john,peter,mark,isaiah says..i wanna hear what jesus says...
@frenchyo7,Can you answer my question..if Jesus is God,then who's his God? (john 20:17,john 17:3,1cor 11:3)..john 20:17 and john 17:3 is coming from the mouth of jesus himself..
Mathew 11:11, 3:11, 28:19, John 14:6, 1John 5:6(HS witness),7-8 Gen 1:26,
John 1:1-51 is John's testimony(6-10) of the divinity if Christ. all 51 verses 1:1 referst to Genisis chapter 1. 1:1 the word God is translated from the word Eloheem, which is the plural form Eloah (aka El) Eloah means almighty.
@suggesttwo Some simpletons imagine that if they repeat the same nonsense over and over that it magically becomes truth. They ain't how reality works.
@ewatchmandotcom So what you are saying is it doesn't matter what the word says because the watchtower say otherwise. James 3:1 Jesus is the head of every man 1Cor 11:3
About the HS: Glory Exodus 40:35, Lev. 16:2, 9:6, 23 1Kings 8:11, Ezekial 43:2,4,5, 44:4, 10:3-4,18-19, 9:3, 7:20-22, 11:22-23, John 1:14, 2Chronicals 5:13,14, 7:4, Gen 1:2
In Paul's final remarks to the Corinthian Christians, he linked the three members of the Godhead together in a beautiful benediction: "
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all" 2 Corinthians 13:14.
A distinct difference must be noted between the masculine Godhead of the Word of God, and the pagan goddess worship which originated with Nimrod and Semiramis.
In my opinion the council of Nicea in 325 AD was correct about the deity of Christ. Here are a few scripture examples that support my opinion. "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossians (1:17) "For it pleased the father that in him should all fullness dwell. Colossians (1:19) Christ even says in Johns gospel that he knew Abraham before he was born. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it and was glad." "Before Abraham was I am" John (8:56-8:58)
Many of bishops in Nicea still bared scares on their bodies from the roman prosecution (ended only 13 years earlier), the idea that pagan emperor just forced them this alien concept of trinity is simply ridiculous and unhistorical.
By the way Constantine himself was in favour of Arianism. That why he resist the results of Nicea afterward.
No one has ever seen the Father......but it is yet to be established that only the Father is called Jehovah. And it has still not been discussed why 2 distinct Jehovahs are mentioned on Genesis 19:24.
Let's stay on topic and remain humble as the bible tells us to.
@fre4409 Go read Genesis 33:20-21 in a Bible that has not removed God's name. It says Jehovah spoke to Moses and told him 'no man may see my face and live.' So stop this nonsense.
Isaiah 48:16 says, "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now Jehovah God and His Spirit Have sent Me."
Notice in the context of this chapter it is Jehovah who is speaking.....so tell me: How can Jehovah be sent by Jehovah??
@ewatchmandotcom How about answering my questions sir, not getting around them please.
Again; "Isaiah 48:16 says, "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now Jehovah God and His Spirit Have sent Me."
Notice in the context of this chapter it is Jehovah who is speaking.....so tell me: How can Jehovah be sent by Jehovah?
@ewatchmandotcom, This is something to think about, the JWs deny every verse in the bible that clearly says Jesus is God. > John 1:1,14, Col 1:16, and 1 Tim 3:16, John 20:28, Heb 1:8 and Tit 2:13, Col 2:9, etc.They have the nerve to refute the Holy Trinity when they themselves believe that Jesus is triune in nature. But in what way? cont...
@808BoxingSouljahz, "First and Last", "Alpha and Omega" are titles of God and no one else in scripture..Rev 2:8 - And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the First and the Last, which was dead, and is alive;This is clearly Jesus because He "was dead". Again, this is a title of God. Furthermore, our Lord taught His full deity (John 8:58, John 8:24) and the Bible calls Him the "Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" (Rev.1:17-18, 2:8).
@ewatchmandotcom, cont..To them, Jesus is: Jesus, Michael the archangel, and abaddon the destroyer. WOW!...Micahel was later identified as Lucifer/Satan, where's the confusion coming from here???
(Deuteronomy 19:15; 1 Timothy 5:19) Abraham would have reason to doubt that he and Sarah, considering their age and physical condition, could produce a son. (Hebrews 11:11, 12) But the witness of three angels would certainly be convincing.
Question: And yes I am a "trinitarian"; why is the Watchtower so focused on whether or not Jesus ever said He was God?
Realize and consider this, Jehovah never said He is the Father, the Father never said He is Jehovah, the Father in the New Testament never said He was/is God.......
@liamrules69 No, I am not a Muslim. I am a unitarian Christian. A Jehovah's Witness. Odd, that the Jews and Muslims worship the same God, the God of Abraham, as did early Christians and modern unitarians. It is only the Catholics and her children, the protestants, who worship Jesus. Jesus was mongenes ho theos, the one offspring of the [true] God. Jesus is ancient and was created long before this plane of existence. He is the Word of God and the Wisdom of God, but he is not Jehovah.
Genesis 19:24 speaks of ‘the Lord’ raining down sulfur and fire ‘from the Lord’ on Sodom. Does this indicate that God is a trinity?
Believers in the Trinity have tried to find support for their doctrine from the account of Abraham and Lot. But careful, frank examination shows that it no more teaches the Trinity than does the Bible as a whole.Abraham received a visit from “three men” who clearly were from God.
Greeting them, Abraham said: “Jehovah, if, now, I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant.” (Genesis 18:1-3) Of course, Jehovah God himself had not appeared in the flesh to Abraham, for ‘no man may see Him and yet live.’ (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18) Hence, Abraham must have expressed himself this way because of recognizing that these “men,” and perhaps one of them in particular, represented Jehovah.
This agrees with other occasions when angels of God appeared to humans and were spoken of as “Jehovah” for they were heavenly representatives of the Most High.—Compare Genesis 16:7-13; Judges 6:12-16.
After the “three men” delivered that important message involving the foretold “seed,” attention was turned to Sodom and Gomorrah. A comparison of Genesis 18:22 and 19:1 proves that the “men” who had visited Abraham were angels.
While one of these representing Jehovah remained with Abraham, the other two heavenly messengers went to Sodom. There, at the mouth of two witnesses, they assured Lot and his family that destruction was coming on the cities and that flight was necessary. Once Lot and his two daughters were safe, destruction came on the wicked cities. We read: “Then Jehovah made it rain sulphur and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens, upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah.”—Genesis 19:24.
In many older Bible translations, this verse speaks of “the Lord” raining down fire from “the Lord.” Some commentators who believed in the Trinity claimed that it meant that the Lord Jesus, the Son of God, brought destruction from the Lord God, the Father. But the Hebrew text shows that both references are to “Jehovah,” who was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and who was different from Jesus.—Exodus 6:2, 3; Acts 3:13.
It is consistent with Hebrew idiom to speak of a person’s doing something in reference to himself. We read: “Solomon proceeded to congregate the older men . . . to King Solomon.” “To Moses [Jehovah] said: ‘Go up to Jehovah’” “[Jehovah] went on to say: I will save them by Jehovah.’” (1 Kings 8:1; Exodus 24:1; Hosea 1:6, 7; Zechariah 10:12) In this same way Genesis 19:24 tells us that Jehovah brought the unprecedented sulfur and fire from himself, “from Jehovah, from the heavens.”
So rather than being a strained prop for the unscriptural Trinity doctrine, this verse underscores the point made at Psalm 83:18: “That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”
It might be mentioned in passing that there is another aspect of this account that ardent believers in the Trinity have attempted to use in support of their doctrine.
They have stressed that there were three who appeared to Abraham and who represented God, so they suggest that a trinity is indicated. That there were three angels, though, is hardly a valid indication of a triune deity, for nothing in this account speaks of a plural Godhead. German scholar Franz Delitzsch observed that “the idea that the Trinity is represented in the three is in every point of view untenable.”
@fre4409 That is silly. Jehovah has never walked the earth. Jehovah is a great spirit. No mere human may see him and survive the encounter. When the Bible speaks of Jehovah speaking to men it is an angelic representation. Since angels were at times authorized to speak in behalf of God humans respectfully treated them as if they were God himself.
@fre4409 You may not be trying to be silly, but the end result is the same. You are not thinking. The account you are referring to in Genesis says that three "men" came to Abraham. Two went on down to Sodom and one stayed behind conversing with Abraham. Genesis 19:1 says that two angels went down to Sodom. Merely because the account does not say the third "man" was an angel you assume he wasn't. You would rather concoct silly trinitarian phantasies than accept the plain truth.
@fre4409 The Bible plainly says that no man has ever seen God. Take the case of when Moses was on the mountain receiving the Law and the account says he spoke face-to-face with God. But did he really? No. Centuries later the Christian writer revealed that the Law was delivered by means of deputized angels who spoke for Jehovah. So, it is a case of your ignorance of the Bible and taking literally things that no sensible and knowledgeable person would.
@October31st1517 Oh, I see. My name is Michael. I am the the son of Edward. So, what ever it takes to be Edward, I am that? The first borne of all creation existed before he was created.
Sounds like the blasphemy of Athanasius the heretic, who opposed the Holy Scriptures and subordinationist christology.
The devil has lead false religion to brain wash many trinitarians. Time is short and we will find out who is right, by and by.
@IMJW1000 "The devil has lead false religion to brain wash many trinitarians" your views are identical to those found in islam, i assume you find islam to be the "true religion"?
Son of Man refers to the proficy of Genesis 3:15. The devil would crush the heal of Jesus (Jesus would be executed and raised), but Jesus would eventually crush the devil's head (Revelations 20:10).
Son of God refers to Jesus as the first borne of creation. Jehovah made Jesus with his own two spiritual hands, Proverbs 8:22-31. Once fully trained and declared a master workman, Jehovah used Jesus as a tool to create everything else, Collosians 1:15-17.
@patgarrett5755 In view of the fact that the trinity is a non-biblical doctrine, there is no other conclusion to draw except that the catholic triad is pagan. Most of the doctrines of Catholicism, which were retained by the various protestant and orthodox branches, are of pagan origin too. Deal with it.
@patgarrett5755 It is not speculation. It is an established historical fact that the Babylonians, Egyptians, etc, worshipped triads, as well as modern Hindu. As far as them being knock-offs of the real trinity, as you imply, the problem you are stuck with is that the Babylonian and Egyptian trinities preceded the Catholic trinity by a few thousand years. So, it is the Catholic trinity that is the "knock-off."
theree are scriptures that talk about the messiah being God in the nwt ,jesus is the messiah, yet you dont believe,there isnt a scripture in the bible in the rholy bible or the nwt that proves that jesus was any kind of angel,stuff like this gets me upset
where is all of these leading,instead of proving the truth,can all of us live by it,the most important thing is love,i do believe jesus is love and He is God,and its not of use at all if we stay all night burning each other thoughts to the ground.Go out there,show love to people,help them,and i can say this jehovah withnesses cant show that cause they r more interested in proving,and going to translation basis to council of nicea alone,show more than that ,show your chastity ,show that through
Jesus is Creator (over 800 verses)! Jesus is the "Everlasting Father" of Adam and of his children. It was Jesus who has been man's companion from the beginning as He said, "I am with you always [Gr. tense, past and present], even unto the end of the world." Jesus received worship (no blasphemy here). Jesus forgave sins (no blasphemy here). He gave Moses the Ten commandments as He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Jn.8:58.
The New World translation of Jehovah's Witnesses end the verse with "I have been." They have changed the Saviour's own words to the Past Tense, when EVERY Greek New Testament has His words in the present-continuous tense. It is "I AM!" This is the sin of adding to and taking away from the Word of God (Deut.4:2;Rev.22:18,19). And lastly, Jesus is "the LORD" Jehovah no less than His Father, as He said, "I and My Father are One." Jn.10:30.
It is truly sad to see men circumvent the Ten Commandments and write their own; or twist the Word of God to meet their personal pride and prejudice: ideas inspired outside of Scripture. This was the Jews theological downfall. And so it is with the Gentiles. The Bible's watchword is "Repent." How few denominations follow the foundation of salvation.
@LORDMCHUGH I did not say I agree that the KJB is the most accurate, however I said it is considered by most to be accurate. When I say most I mean just your every day main stream christian. So my agrument is not fallacious because my point was just to use a bible version that "most" main stream christians consider most accurate.
Useing the KingJames since it is considered my most to be most accurate we come across this scripture in:
Job 13:7-10 Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? 8Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? 9Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
Well? Will you accept the person of God? Or the persons of God?
Why then is it they say there is a trinity, yet Paul makes no mention of the Holy Spirit the so called third member of the godhead?
1Corinthians 8:5-6 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Now I take nothing away from Jesus by telling the truth as to who he is. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is our saviour and our salvation, he was before the world was with his Father. Jesus is a mighy God and our mediator between God and man. But Jesus is not God Almighty.
Why is it then if Jesus is God Almighty as some claim, that Jesus is made subject to his Father?
1Corinthians 15:27-28 For he “has put everything under his feet. Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Here is a thought, if Jesus is the Father and they are one and the same, why is it Jesus had a beginning and was created?
KingJames Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
KingJames Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature
Another eye-opener. When I first watched this I was very carefull since I didn't want to be misled and false teachnings are evrywheren. THen the narrator said "They though Jesus was God" and I said to myself "no, he was the son of God"'; and then the narrator said the exact same thing! So it appears to be trustworthy.
@SkinnyAndShort The word "trinity" is never in ther bible so I have no problem with that. Jesus does say "baptise in the name of the father, son and holy spirit" so he does describe God having 3 sides.
@ElmerAwesome Lol, that doesn't prove anything, There is so much proof that the trinity is ballocks. And you refer too one scripture witch has no proof what so ever.
Don't you remember in the bible, it says. those who see god will instantly die? Or How Jesus didn't know his time of return he said only the father himself knows. So please tell me one scripture saying that Jesus is god almighty?
@jesseZR I didn't try to prove anything if you would read my posts better. Also scripures are not for lolling. "The son sits at the right hand of the father". "Who has seen the son has seen the father". "The father and I are one". So that's 3 more... good luck.
@ElmerAwesome he doesn't mean it like that, He means it as, Jesus is just like his father because he was with him before time indefinite, Jesus learnt from Jehovah and was with Jehovah for a countless number of years. There for he is saying who has seen me has seen the father as in he has the exact personality and traits as Jehovah because he is his Son for millions of years.
@jesseZR Jesus is not God himself (since they were separated during Jesus time on earth; yet God was still in heaven) but he is a part of God. He was divine. "I am given all the power on heaven and on earth".
@ElmerAwesome Not true he didn't give him all the power. And i want too know what scripture says Jesus is god almighty, there is none, But it Refers too Jehovah being almighty numerous times
@jesseZR ?? You just said "Not true" to scripture. Go ahead and deny the truth of the scripture but then don't call yourself Christian aswell. Since "Mine is given all the power on earth and in heaven" is straight from the bible. It's in Matthew 28:18-20.
@ElmerAwesome So your trying too state too me that Jesus is god? He is in some sense apart of god, But we all are because he created us but he is not physically apart of god he is a separate being and is not god almighty, Like i said show me one scripture witch says Jesus is god almighty.
@MrRemcoremco If Skinnyandshort did not just show you in simple form that jesus is not god almighty then i have nothing else too say accept good luck in your false teachings, Just one more thing show me one scripture witch states that there is a trinity?
@jesseZR I SHOWED YOU A SCRIPTURE THAT SAID JESUS WAS GIVEN ALL THE POWER. You completely ignored it. You obviously don´t want a fair discussion so why should I continue with you? Why should I answer your questions if you are going to ignore the answers anyway...
If Jesus is not the father, then why when Philip asked Jesus to "show us the father, that is all we need" did Jesus then reply "I've been with you this long Philip, do you not know me? Do you not beleive that I am in the father, and that the father is in me?" I know that's not the exact wording, but same thing.
I understand your points but I still think your missing somethings I dont think your seeing the bigger picture. Heb 1 God enlists worship to the Son yet Luke says that only God is to be worshiped. Emmanuel means God with us. Rev 1:18 uses the title first and last peviously used only for God For the Son. John 8:58 and 8:24 are seemingly Large hurdles for your position plus the us our statments of Genesis 1:26 Angels dont create so who's He talking to?
you should listen to james white or doctor micheal brown to understand debate them and jesus did say he was go when he said I AM so your deeply wrong like i said listen to those guys i suggested if the watchtower lets you or if you can think independentlly.
St. Clement of Rome, who was Bishop of Rome in 96 A.D., wrote on the Most Holy Trinity. So did other early Church Fathers: Irenaeus(A.D. 115-190), who listened to Polycarp-- a disciple of St. John the Apostle ; Tertullian (A.D. 160-215); Origen (A.D. 185-254). 200 years before Nicea! Christ promised to the Apostles: That he would be with them to the end of the age and the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church. The weeds did come, in the form of Arianism, and the Church prevailed.
@hampthegreek Orthodox Christianity that Christ established on this earth prevailed against heresies of non-Trinitarianism (Arianism), and gnosticism. It is amazing that you use the Catholic Bible, that was put together in A.D. 397-- after the Council of Nicea, and distort the teachings of Christ and the Catholic Church. "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name?... Then I will declare to them solemnly, "I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers."
genenis11verse 7 said come let US go down and there confuse their language that they may not understand one anothers speech once again who is Us if GOD is one
I've been trying to find a JW who would engage me in a formal debate on this topic for some time now. All of those I've spoken to have chickened out. Would you be interested? You can check out my channel and my blogs (links are in my channel) to see who I am and what I'm all about. I would very much enjoy having a formal debate on the topic of whether the earliest Christians (apostles and their disciples) believed Christ to be God.
@davidpwithun I am open to debating, discussing, Bible doctrine, not necessarily church history. But, sure, post a video and I will post a video response to it.
@ewatchmandotcom no church history discussion? whys that? because the watchtower was formed by charles tazr russel, who lied under oath in court...isnt that 1 of jesus most powerful commands not to do?? hmm for a man who said he was of god, why would he lie under oath? plz explain :)
The Council of Nicea was held as a response to heresies that were formulated at that time period.
-6:30 CONSTANTINE DID NOT DECLARE ANYTHING! This only proves you know nothing of the council, or you are lying. The bishops re-affirmed the doctrine that had been held since the first century. Ecumenical councils never "formulated" doctrine, they re-affirmed what was already there.
@ignati123 That is ridiculous. The apostles never for one moment believed that Jesus was God. And besides that, the council of Nicea did not formulate the trinity doctrine. It would take a couple more centuries after Nicea for the trinity to evolve.
@ewatchmandotcom Ok, right there. We are dealing with an objective historical fact. The council of Nicea discussed this issue, remember Arius!? You can look up the records of the council, it's on the books, whether you believe in it or not.
Are you just misinformed, or are you lying to cover for a theology based in the modern era, what some bible study leader formulated from his own personal opinion. For crying out loud, the Bible actually comes out and says Christ is God!
@ignati123 YES INDEED! JOHN 1:1 and PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 it's all right there for the taking. Right there in THE BIBLE! :) JESUS IS GOD. Hallelujah! You are so RIGHT. People NEED to get back to READING their BIBLE and let the HOLY GHOST lead them into ALL TRUTH. It is as THE LORD JESUS CHRIST says "a child" can "receive" GOD'S WORD it is an EASY yoke. :) But, people don't want to RECEIVE GOD'S WORD as "easy" bcuz it is too easy, they need to "INTELLECTUALIZE" the GOSPEL.
@PerfectlyBlack You may be confusing Babylon with Babel. They are two different things. Babel is the point of origination for the trinity and other religious mysteries. Babel, however, is not Babylon. After Jehovah confused the languages of mankind the city of Babel lapsed into irrelevancy. It would be over a thousand years before Babylon would come on the scene. In the meantime Egypt developed into the most advanced civilization. And as you likely know, the Egyptians were very religious.
When we look at the Bible we see that the number 7 is God's divine number. It signifies perfection and completeness in God's eyes.
Currently there are over 7 million people soon to be in number 7,777,777 (7x7) who are a witness (7 letters) about God's name Jehovah (7 letters) who obey Jesus and "Preach the Good News of the Kingdom" (7 words) and the word Kingdom is 7 letters!!
Speaking of the Trinity, The Illustrated Bible Dictionary admits: It is not a biblical doctrine in the sense that any formulation of it can be found in the Bible. Because the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine, Trinitarians have been desperately looking for Bible texts even twisting them to find support for their teaching.
Jesus accepted worship because he is a god in the sense of being divine, but he is not the Father.
The bible teaches that God is incomprehensible (Rom 11:33,34, Isa.55:8,9). And yet even the WT Society admits that incomprehensibilty is not proper grounds for rejection. Note what they say: "Is that reasonable? Our minds cannot fully comprehend it. But that is not a sound reason for rejecting it." (Reasoning from the Scriptures", pg 148) The Trinity is not a lie, its is true (Matt 28:19) The WTS does not deny that there's a Trinity, they deny that the Trinity is God.
@shikinah2007 Brother I have to DISAGREE with you on this VIDEO... JESUS IS GOD. Read PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 (who thought it not robbery to be equal to God) Read also JOHN 1:1(In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God) the "Word" is JESUS. Therefore, let's be diligent and carefully SEARCH God's Word with HOLY GHOST leadership. It is CLEAR that JESUS CHRIST IS GOD. :) GOD the FATHER, GOD the SON & GOD the HOLY GHOST... The BLESSED TRINITY.
@LPATWILLFILM We agree on many things, but I cannot accept the trinity concept. Also consider this fact, every church which is a member of the "World Council Of Churches is a trinitarian church. The catholic being the instigator of this triad belief, its this body which will cause the great apostacy. In Revelations, itsays "get out of her my people if you do not want to share in her sins" Also the scriptures say "in the beginning was the word" so the word/christ must have been created.
@shikinah2007 Yes, but you have to learn how to SEPARATE the WHEAT from the CHAFF, the FLOWER from the TARE. Don't you know that, that is the DECEPTION of SATAN is to "pervert" the Gospel on every level. So, he (i.e., Satan) uses "TRINITARIAN" (so-called churches) to do all manner of unrighteousness to make us then thwart and REJECT the complete GODHEAD as truly a BLESSED TRINITY. That's a direct "attack" and "ploy" of SATAN. You must OPEN your EYES to "this" DEVICE and STRATAGEM of SATAN.
@shikinah2007 Also, remember when THE LORD JESUS CHRIST says: "Those that Worship God must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth." Well, what or whom was JESUS referring to? Well, whom does Jesus Christ refer to as being "Truth?" That's right... HIMSELF ("I am the Way, the TRUTH,& the Life") and "in Spirit" is referring to simply as that... THE SPIRIT (i.e., HOLY GHOST). So, to worship GOD you MUST do so in SPIRIT (The Holy Ghost) and in TRUTH (The Lord Jesus Christ).
There are already so many videos all over YouTube that deal with the subject. I may make a video some time time, but now is not that time. The question is not what is the trinity because the trinity is a mere doctrine, but WHY the trinity, once you understand WHY the trinity, you'll know what the trinity teaches. This doesn't mean you'll be able to fully comprehend it, but you'll be able to understand it to a certain point.
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If you don't know what the trinity is and you require an explanation one wonders why you would make a video about the issue? Shouldn't you understand something before rejecting it and trying to refute it? Shameful
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These triads are not anything like the triune God. Robert, you don't even know what the trinity is, yet you continue posting deceptive videos like this one. You've even openly admitted that you don't know what the trinity, so why continue?
Blessings to you Robert: Daily I struggle with faith in God and Man, sometimes I wish Jehovah would hurry up and finish. But then your steeled faith manifests itself and my faith is rejuvenated. Your gift is being untamable with a passion for truth.
Thanks for keeping my little ember of faith stoked.
Jesus is God story never made sense to me at all. I was raised believing JW's. Even as an exjw, anti-religious, anti-Watchtower mentality, I still believe JW's more than I believe other religions.
People seem to have trouble understanding that. I make fun of religion, I mock the ideological stereotypes, I proudly consider myself an apostate, and even make fun of scriptures, especially the outrageous ones. There is so much humor in there. I can't help it. God must have been a comedian.
I do agree with one thing in this video. There is no Trinity in the bible. I agree on that.
stonecold474 1 week ago
This is a satanic video. I can tell by the big devil to the right of the video. Anyways Jesus is God says in this verse he is the mighty god.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
stonecold474 1 week ago
Jesus = inorganic alien mind parasite .. This is a non organic being Not of this Earth here to get you to believe in him so he can devour the energy of your awareness and turn the Earth into a desert. When someone says you are born in sin they are really saying organic life is repulsive
InfiniteSantaClaus 2 weeks ago
@InfiniteSantaClaus Obviously, some organic life is repulsive.
ewatchmandotcom 2 weeks ago
So what is holy then? ... the Annunaki?? You know, in time soon enough you all will be on your knees before Jesus. The willing and the unwilling alike. I sure wouldn't want to be one of those who question the authority of JesusChrist. So, see ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
BSmenot 1 month ago
@BSmenot Before Jesus ascended back to heaven he said "all authority has been given me in heaven and on earth." The question you will have to answer is: Who gave Jesus that authority? Did he give it to himself? If you believe Jesus is God then you believe that Jesus makes nonsensical statements. You better get it sorted out while there is still time.
ewatchmandotcom 1 month ago
@ewatchmandotcom You think in human logic. You surmise within your own mind. You are like a dog chasing its tail. You can't figure it out with your own faculties. It will always be a mystery to you, and others who think in the human finite sense.You must give your heart and mind to God(Jesus), or you will stay in the quagmire and darkness of your own mind. You cannot see what others see who has the spirit of God(Jesus) dwelling in them. Give yourself to Jesus and he will reveal.
BSmenot 1 month ago
@BSmenot You must be an idiot. Certainly you are advocating mindlessness. You are suggesting that you give your heart to something that you refuse to try to understand. That is irrational. Why not become a Hindu? On the other hand, God commands us to love him with our whole MIND and heart. How can you truly love someone you do not know? You can't. That is why the Devil promotes mindless worship. You need to use your head and stop being foolish.
ewatchmandotcom 1 month ago
@ewatchmandotcom Like I said your mind is dark, and your ignorance is known by your cheap shot insults and disparaging words . It is apparent that you don't know God, and that is why this all seems like nonsense to you. Keep digging, it seems you seek something you cannot see yet. Sorry to say, you will find out the hard way. I hope your confusion and dissidence will subside soon. Have a nice day. No response is necessary, unless you willfully wish to cause discord.
BSmenot 1 month ago
@BSmenot Like a say, you are a proponent of dark age religion. Like the foolish trinitarian clergy, you refuse to use your mind because God is an unknowable mystery to you. Because others do not go along with your superstitious religion of mindlessness, you condemn them as evil people who think too much. You claim to see and know God, but you have no way of explaining him. How convenient. Like Jesus said the the Samaritan woman. "You worship what you do not know."
ewatchmandotcom 1 month ago
@ewatchmandotcom You sure assume a lot. Notice the root word of assume. If you think you are right in your mind then it's a free country. You can think what you want, and be as ignorant and combative all you want. You can sling arrows and throw stones. But know this, you will be responsible for everything that comes out of your mind. I hope you find peace. Call on Jesus, you may be surprised. But to do that you must give up your hate and animosity, and stop being a dick.
BSmenot 1 month ago
@BSmenot You are the one making foolish assumptions. You come onto my channel touting your mindless religion and condemning people who actually think and who out people like yourself for promoting an empty-headed religion based on dark age theology. And you assume that because I do not share your ignorance that I do not know or honor Jesus. Your religion is a sham.
ewatchmandotcom 1 month ago
@ewatchmandotcom Now I know, you are just mentally ill, with a chip on your shoulder. It must really suck to be you. Have a nice day.
BSmenot 1 month ago
@BSmenot You really are an advocate of dark age religion, aren't you. If your appeal to irrationality doesn't work you can always fall back on slander. Apparently, anyone who uses their mind to disprove the nonsensical trinity is dangerous and insane. Really, though, the Jews said the same about Jesus, that he was demonized and crazy. You are just doing the will of your father.
ewatchmandotcom 1 month ago
@ewatchmandotcom Sir it seems you are mad at something. I'm sorry that you hate yourself. Your dicussions and comments are fruitless. Well get over it. All you are doing is accusing. Do you know who is the great accuser? It's your father the devil. You can't win. All you can do is be a pain in the ass. There is no truth in you, just discord. Have a nice day. You can go away now.
BSmenot 1 month ago
@BSmenot I am not angry. Nor do I hate myself. I just have very little toleration for your sort of foolishness. Of course, it is fruitless to rebuke a fool. The proverbs say that you can grind a fool with a mortar and pestle and their foolishness will not depart. You demonstrate the truthfullness of that axiom. As for going away, you are on my channel! You go away!
ewatchmandotcom 1 month ago
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@ewatchmandotcom Well sir I do have a couple questions? I agree that Jesus will be called Mighty God. Can you please explain in Isaiah 10:20-23. And also compare Isaiah 44:6 with Revelation 1:17,18. Those passages seem to show that there is ONE GOD, who is referred to as Mighty God and referred to as The First and the Last. Both Jesus and the Father are called these titles. Can you please clear that up for me sir?
ejgress36 2 days ago
@ewatchmandotcom Hi Watchman. I hope all is well. On the comment you made about Jesus making a "nonsensical" statement, I think you're smarter than that. For those of us who embrace God's triune nature, Jesus being God makes complete sense. It's not a problem at all. Further than that, it's a doctrine easily defended by Scripture. There is nothing nonsensical about it. It may be beyond the realm of our full understanding, but so is God's infinity and lots of other stuff!
jrichard1977 1 month ago
@frenchyo7,Now show me a scripture where Jesus says "I am God."..i don't want to hear what paul,matthew,john,peter,mark,isaiah says..i wanna hear what jesus says...
808BoxingSouljahz 2 months ago
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@frenchyo7,Can you answer my question..if Jesus is God,then who's his God? (john 20:17,john 17:3,1cor 11:3)..john 20:17 and john 17:3 is coming from the mouth of jesus himself..
808BoxingSouljahz 2 months ago
Mathew 11:11, 3:11, 28:19, John 14:6, 1John 5:6(HS witness),7-8 Gen 1:26,
John 1:1-51 is John's testimony(6-10) of the divinity if Christ. all 51 verses 1:1 referst to Genisis chapter 1. 1:1 the word God is translated from the word Eloheem, which is the plural form Eloah (aka El) Eloah means almighty.
the HS is mentioned in Gen 1:2
Gen 1:3,6,9,11,14,20,24, God spoke
suggesttwo 2 months ago
@suggesttwo Some simpletons imagine that if they repeat the same nonsense over and over that it magically becomes truth. They ain't how reality works.
ewatchmandotcom 2 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom did you even read the refrences? Mathew 11:11, 3:11
where did the trinity oriionate Gen 1:1, see above. See Gen 18:1-14, YHWH apperas to Abrahan.
Many languages Gen 11:1-9
many languages, see gen 11,
suggesttwo 2 months ago
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@ewatchmandotcom So what you are saying is it doesn't matter what the word says because the watchtower say otherwise. James 3:1 Jesus is the head of every man 1Cor 11:3
About the HS: Glory Exodus 40:35, Lev. 16:2, 9:6, 23 1Kings 8:11, Ezekial 43:2,4,5, 44:4, 10:3-4,18-19, 9:3, 7:20-22, 11:22-23, John 1:14, 2Chronicals 5:13,14, 7:4, Gen 1:2
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In Paul's final remarks to the Corinthian Christians, he linked the three members of the Godhead together in a beautiful benediction: "
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all" 2 Corinthians 13:14.
A distinct difference must be noted between the masculine Godhead of the Word of God, and the pagan goddess worship which originated with Nimrod and Semiramis.
frenchyo7 2 months ago
In my opinion the council of Nicea in 325 AD was correct about the deity of Christ. Here are a few scripture examples that support my opinion. "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossians (1:17) "For it pleased the father that in him should all fullness dwell. Colossians (1:19) Christ even says in Johns gospel that he knew Abraham before he was born. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it and was glad." "Before Abraham was I am" John (8:56-8:58)
thediciple2011 3 months ago
Emperor prosecution ended only 13 years earlier.
Many of bishops in Nicea still bared scares on their bodies from the roman prosecution (ended only 13 years earlier), the idea that pagan emperor just forced them this alien concept of trinity is simply ridiculous and unhistorical.
By the way Constantine himself was in favour of Arianism. That why he resist the results of Nicea afterward.
stepankotek 3 months ago
No one has ever seen the Father......but it is yet to be established that only the Father is called Jehovah. And it has still not been discussed why 2 distinct Jehovahs are mentioned on Genesis 19:24.
Let's stay on topic and remain humble as the bible tells us to.
fre4409 3 months ago
@fre4409 Go read Genesis 33:20-21 in a Bible that has not removed God's name. It says Jehovah spoke to Moses and told him 'no man may see my face and live.' So stop this nonsense.
ewatchmandotcom 3 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom God the Father does not have a human "face." He is a Spirit (John 4:24).
2 Jehovahs are mentioned in Genesis 19:24........
Here's another one for you,
Isaiah 48:16 says, "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now Jehovah God and His Spirit Have sent Me."
Notice in the context of this chapter it is Jehovah who is speaking.....so tell me: How can Jehovah be sent by Jehovah??
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@fre4409 You claim God is a man and yet not human. You are simply a moronic liar.
ewatchmandotcom 3 months ago
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@ewatchmandotcom How about answering my questions sir, not getting around them please.
Again; "Isaiah 48:16 says, "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now Jehovah God and His Spirit Have sent Me."
Notice in the context of this chapter it is Jehovah who is speaking.....so tell me: How can Jehovah be sent by Jehovah?
fre4409 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@ewatchmandotcom, This is something to think about, the JWs deny every verse in the bible that clearly says Jesus is God. > John 1:1,14, Col 1:16, and 1 Tim 3:16, John 20:28, Heb 1:8 and Tit 2:13, Col 2:9, etc.They have the nerve to refute the Holy Trinity when they themselves believe that Jesus is triune in nature. But in what way? cont...
frenchyo7 2 months ago
@frenchyo7 if Jesus is God,then who's his God? (john 20:17,john 17:3,1cor 11:3)
808BoxingSouljahz 2 months ago
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@808BoxingSouljahz, "First and Last", "Alpha and Omega" are titles of God and no one else in scripture..Rev 2:8 - And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the First and the Last, which was dead, and is alive;This is clearly Jesus because He "was dead". Again, this is a title of God. Furthermore, our Lord taught His full deity (John 8:58, John 8:24) and the Bible calls Him the "Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" (Rev.1:17-18, 2:8).
frenchyo7 2 months ago
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@ewatchmandotcom, cont..To them, Jesus is: Jesus, Michael the archangel, and abaddon the destroyer. WOW!...Micahel was later identified as Lucifer/Satan, where's the confusion coming from here???
frenchyo7 2 months ago
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IMJW1000 3 months ago
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(Deuteronomy 19:15; 1 Timothy 5:19) Abraham would have reason to doubt that he and Sarah, considering their age and physical condition, could produce a son. (Hebrews 11:11, 12) But the witness of three angels would certainly be convincing.
Or, at least, that's what I think.
IMJW1000 3 months ago
Question: And yes I am a "trinitarian"; why is the Watchtower so focused on whether or not Jesus ever said He was God?
Realize and consider this, Jehovah never said He is the Father, the Father never said He is Jehovah, the Father in the New Testament never said He was/is God.......
Any thoughts?
fre4409 3 months ago
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Section8Studios 3 months ago
@Section8Studios LOL
ewatchmandotcom 3 months ago
Yes. Many good people. Bad doctrine.
IMJW1000 8 months ago
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IMJW1000 8 months ago
@liamrules69 No, I am not a Muslim. I am a unitarian Christian. A Jehovah's Witness. Odd, that the Jews and Muslims worship the same God, the God of Abraham, as did early Christians and modern unitarians. It is only the Catholics and her children, the protestants, who worship Jesus. Jesus was mongenes ho theos, the one offspring of the [true] God. Jesus is ancient and was created long before this plane of existence. He is the Word of God and the Wisdom of God, but he is not Jehovah.
IMJW1000 8 months ago
@IMJW1000 As a Jehovahs witness do you consider all other religions to be false?
liamrules69 8 months ago
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IMJW1000 8 months ago
@IMJW1000 Who are the 2 Jehovahs in Genesis 19:24?
"Then Jehovah rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, FROM Jehovah out of the heavens."
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Genesis 19:24 speaks of ‘the Lord’ raining down sulfur and fire ‘from the Lord’ on Sodom. Does this indicate that God is a trinity?
Believers in the Trinity have tried to find support for their doctrine from the account of Abraham and Lot. But careful, frank examination shows that it no more teaches the Trinity than does the Bible as a whole.Abraham received a visit from “three men” who clearly were from God.
IMJW1000 3 months ago
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Greeting them, Abraham said: “Jehovah, if, now, I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant.” (Genesis 18:1-3) Of course, Jehovah God himself had not appeared in the flesh to Abraham, for ‘no man may see Him and yet live.’ (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18) Hence, Abraham must have expressed himself this way because of recognizing that these “men,” and perhaps one of them in particular, represented Jehovah.
IMJW1000 3 months ago
@IMJW1000 Jehovah appeared to Abraham......not someone representing Him.
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This agrees with other occasions when angels of God appeared to humans and were spoken of as “Jehovah” for they were heavenly representatives of the Most High.—Compare Genesis 16:7-13; Judges 6:12-16.
After the “three men” delivered that important message involving the foretold “seed,” attention was turned to Sodom and Gomorrah. A comparison of Genesis 18:22 and 19:1 proves that the “men” who had visited Abraham were angels.
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While one of these representing Jehovah remained with Abraham, the other two heavenly messengers went to Sodom. There, at the mouth of two witnesses, they assured Lot and his family that destruction was coming on the cities and that flight was necessary. Once Lot and his two daughters were safe, destruction came on the wicked cities. We read: “Then Jehovah made it rain sulphur and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens, upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah.”—Genesis 19:24.
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In many older Bible translations, this verse speaks of “the Lord” raining down fire from “the Lord.” Some commentators who believed in the Trinity claimed that it meant that the Lord Jesus, the Son of God, brought destruction from the Lord God, the Father. But the Hebrew text shows that both references are to “Jehovah,” who was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and who was different from Jesus.—Exodus 6:2, 3; Acts 3:13.
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It is consistent with Hebrew idiom to speak of a person’s doing something in reference to himself. We read: “Solomon proceeded to congregate the older men . . . to King Solomon.” “To Moses [Jehovah] said: ‘Go up to Jehovah’” “[Jehovah] went on to say: I will save them by Jehovah.’” (1 Kings 8:1; Exodus 24:1; Hosea 1:6, 7; Zechariah 10:12) In this same way Genesis 19:24 tells us that Jehovah brought the unprecedented sulfur and fire from himself, “from Jehovah, from the heavens.”
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So rather than being a strained prop for the unscriptural Trinity doctrine, this verse underscores the point made at Psalm 83:18: “That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”
It might be mentioned in passing that there is another aspect of this account that ardent believers in the Trinity have attempted to use in support of their doctrine.
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They have stressed that there were three who appeared to Abraham and who represented God, so they suggest that a trinity is indicated. That there were three angels, though, is hardly a valid indication of a triune deity, for nothing in this account speaks of a plural Godhead. German scholar Franz Delitzsch observed that “the idea that the Trinity is represented in the three is in every point of view untenable.”
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IMJW1000 3 months ago
@IMJW1000 Genesis 19:24 indicates 2 different Jehovahs. One on earth and one in heaven.....
fre4409 3 months ago
@fre4409 That is silly. Jehovah has never walked the earth. Jehovah is a great spirit. No mere human may see him and survive the encounter. When the Bible speaks of Jehovah speaking to men it is an angelic representation. Since angels were at times authorized to speak in behalf of God humans respectfully treated them as if they were God himself.
ewatchmandotcom 3 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom I am not trying to be silly. I simply pointed out that Genesis 19:24 mentions 2 Jehovahs....on on earth and one in heaven.
Jehovah is said to appear to Abraham in Genesis 18.......it does not say an angel appeared to Abraham.
Good solid exegesis proves that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all called God and referred to as Jehovah/Yahweh.
I was once pulled into Watchtower theology but God delivered me from it.
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@fre4409 You may not be trying to be silly, but the end result is the same. You are not thinking. The account you are referring to in Genesis says that three "men" came to Abraham. Two went on down to Sodom and one stayed behind conversing with Abraham. Genesis 19:1 says that two angels went down to Sodom. Merely because the account does not say the third "man" was an angel you assume he wasn't. You would rather concoct silly trinitarian phantasies than accept the plain truth.
ewatchmandotcom 3 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom Once again, the passage says Jehovah appeared to Abraham. 19:24 speaks of 2 Jehovahs, one on earth and one in heaven.
The "plain truth" as you said is that the plain reading of the text is clear......Jehovah APPEARED. It was not an angel according to the text.
fre4409 3 months ago
@fre4409 The Bible plainly says that no man has ever seen God. Take the case of when Moses was on the mountain receiving the Law and the account says he spoke face-to-face with God. But did he really? No. Centuries later the Christian writer revealed that the Law was delivered by means of deputized angels who spoke for Jehovah. So, it is a case of your ignorance of the Bible and taking literally things that no sensible and knowledgeable person would.
ewatchmandotcom 3 months ago
@October31st1517 Oh, I see. My name is Michael. I am the the son of Edward. So, what ever it takes to be Edward, I am that? The first borne of all creation existed before he was created.
Sounds like the blasphemy of Athanasius the heretic, who opposed the Holy Scriptures and subordinationist christology.
The devil has lead false religion to brain wash many trinitarians. Time is short and we will find out who is right, by and by.
IMJW1000 9 months ago
@IMJW1000 "The devil has lead false religion to brain wash many trinitarians" your views are identical to those found in islam, i assume you find islam to be the "true religion"?
liamrules69 8 months ago
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IMJW1000 8 months ago
2 questions.
What does the term Son of Man mean?
What does the Term Son of God mean?
October31st1517 9 months ago
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Son of Man refers to the proficy of Genesis 3:15. The devil would crush the heal of Jesus (Jesus would be executed and raised), but Jesus would eventually crush the devil's head (Revelations 20:10).
Son of God refers to Jesus as the first borne of creation. Jehovah made Jesus with his own two spiritual hands, Proverbs 8:22-31. Once fully trained and declared a master workman, Jehovah used Jesus as a tool to create everything else, Collosians 1:15-17.
IMJW1000 9 months ago
@IMJW1000 Wrong. Son of Man means that what ever it takes to be human. Jesus has it.
Son of God means that whatever it takes to be God, Jesus has it.
Col 1:15-17 actually teaches the opposite of your conclusion. It's saying that Jesus is not created, but the creator.
October31st1517 9 months ago
@patgarrett5755 In view of the fact that the trinity is a non-biblical doctrine, there is no other conclusion to draw except that the catholic triad is pagan. Most of the doctrines of Catholicism, which were retained by the various protestant and orthodox branches, are of pagan origin too. Deal with it.
ewatchmandotcom 11 months ago
@patgarrett5755 It is not speculation. It is an established historical fact that the Babylonians, Egyptians, etc, worshipped triads, as well as modern Hindu. As far as them being knock-offs of the real trinity, as you imply, the problem you are stuck with is that the Babylonian and Egyptian trinities preceded the Catholic trinity by a few thousand years. So, it is the Catholic trinity that is the "knock-off."
ewatchmandotcom 11 months ago
theree are scriptures that talk about the messiah being God in the nwt ,jesus is the messiah, yet you dont believe,there isnt a scripture in the bible in the rholy bible or the nwt that proves that jesus was any kind of angel,stuff like this gets me upset
1spirit1body1God 1 year ago
you God is glorified,and trust me i rather see faith with action for without it,IT IS DEAD...
joelmml 1 year ago
where is all of these leading,instead of proving the truth,can all of us live by it,the most important thing is love,i do believe jesus is love and He is God,and its not of use at all if we stay all night burning each other thoughts to the ground.Go out there,show love to people,help them,and i can say this jehovah withnesses cant show that cause they r more interested in proving,and going to translation basis to council of nicea alone,show more than that ,show your chastity ,show that through
joelmml 1 year ago
Jesus is Creator (over 800 verses)! Jesus is the "Everlasting Father" of Adam and of his children. It was Jesus who has been man's companion from the beginning as He said, "I am with you always [Gr. tense, past and present], even unto the end of the world." Jesus received worship (no blasphemy here). Jesus forgave sins (no blasphemy here). He gave Moses the Ten commandments as He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Jn.8:58.
utopiandesign 1 year ago
The New World translation of Jehovah's Witnesses end the verse with "I have been." They have changed the Saviour's own words to the Past Tense, when EVERY Greek New Testament has His words in the present-continuous tense. It is "I AM!" This is the sin of adding to and taking away from the Word of God (Deut.4:2;Rev.22:18,19). And lastly, Jesus is "the LORD" Jehovah no less than His Father, as He said, "I and My Father are One." Jn.10:30.
utopiandesign 1 year ago
It is truly sad to see men circumvent the Ten Commandments and write their own; or twist the Word of God to meet their personal pride and prejudice: ideas inspired outside of Scripture. This was the Jews theological downfall. And so it is with the Gentiles. The Bible's watchword is "Repent." How few denominations follow the foundation of salvation.
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utopiandesign 1 year ago
@LORDMCHUGH I did not say I agree that the KJB is the most accurate, however I said it is considered by most to be accurate. When I say most I mean just your every day main stream christian. So my agrument is not fallacious because my point was just to use a bible version that "most" main stream christians consider most accurate.
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
Useing the KingJames since it is considered my most to be most accurate we come across this scripture in:
Job 13:7-10 Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? 8Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? 9Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
Well? Will you accept the person of God? Or the persons of God?
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
@SkinnyAndShort I ment "by most" little typeo on my part.
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
Why then is it they say there is a trinity, yet Paul makes no mention of the Holy Spirit the so called third member of the godhead?
1Corinthians 8:5-6 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
Now I take nothing away from Jesus by telling the truth as to who he is. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is our saviour and our salvation, he was before the world was with his Father. Jesus is a mighy God and our mediator between God and man. But Jesus is not God Almighty.
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
Why is it then if Jesus is God Almighty as some claim, that Jesus is made subject to his Father?
1Corinthians 15:27-28 For he “has put everything under his feet. Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
Here is a thought, if Jesus is the Father and they are one and the same, why is it Jesus had a beginning and was created?
KingJames Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
KingJames Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
Numbers 23:19 " God is not a man. "
truthhitmanisback 1 year ago
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ALL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, I AM URGING YOU, PLEASE DO THE CROSS-REFENCES YOURSELVES:
Psalms 102:24-27 AND Hebrews 1:10-12
Jeremiah 17:10 AND Revelation 2:23
Revelation 1:8, Isaiah 44:6 AND Revelation 22:12-13, Revelation 1:17
Ezekiel 16:3-8, 23:4 AND Revelation 21:2, 9-10; Ephesians 5:24-25
Exodus 20:3,5 AND 2 Corinthians 11:2 - 4 Notice Godly jealousy
Exodus 20:5 AND Hebrews 1:6 NOTICE BOWING DOWN
John 1:1, 10:30, 20:28-29 AND 1 Kings 8:60
Love, no matter what you think.
aTang14 1 year ago
Another eye-opener. When I first watched this I was very carefull since I didn't want to be misled and false teachnings are evrywheren. THen the narrator said "They though Jesus was God" and I said to myself "no, he was the son of God"'; and then the narrator said the exact same thing! So it appears to be trustworthy.
ElmerAwesome 1 year ago
@ElmerAwesome Hey sound likes you agree that there is no trinity, that is good.
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
@SkinnyAndShort The word "trinity" is never in ther bible so I have no problem with that. Jesus does say "baptise in the name of the father, son and holy spirit" so he does describe God having 3 sides.
ElmerAwesome 1 year ago
@ElmerAwesome Based of that verse alone you think there is a trinity?
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
@SkinnyAndShort I didn't say ther eis a trinity. Define it if you do believe that's what I'm talking about.
ElmerAwesome 1 year ago
@ElmerAwesome Lol, that doesn't prove anything, There is so much proof that the trinity is ballocks. And you refer too one scripture witch has no proof what so ever.
Don't you remember in the bible, it says. those who see god will instantly die? Or How Jesus didn't know his time of return he said only the father himself knows. So please tell me one scripture saying that Jesus is god almighty?
jesseZR 1 year ago
@jesseZR I didn't try to prove anything if you would read my posts better. Also scripures are not for lolling. "The son sits at the right hand of the father". "Who has seen the son has seen the father". "The father and I are one". So that's 3 more... good luck.
ElmerAwesome 1 year ago
@ElmerAwesome he doesn't mean it like that, He means it as, Jesus is just like his father because he was with him before time indefinite, Jesus learnt from Jehovah and was with Jehovah for a countless number of years. There for he is saying who has seen me has seen the father as in he has the exact personality and traits as Jehovah because he is his Son for millions of years.
jesseZR 1 year ago
@jesseZR Jesus is not God himself (since they were separated during Jesus time on earth; yet God was still in heaven) but he is a part of God. He was divine. "I am given all the power on heaven and on earth".
ElmerAwesome 1 year ago
@ElmerAwesome He is not god at all, He is gods only begotten son.
jesseZR 1 year ago
@jesseZR God has given him all the power on heaven and on earth; and the authority to judge man. He is a part of God you could say.
ElmerAwesome 1 year ago
@ElmerAwesome Not true he didn't give him all the power. And i want too know what scripture says Jesus is god almighty, there is none, But it Refers too Jehovah being almighty numerous times
jesseZR 1 year ago
@jesseZR ?? You just said "Not true" to scripture. Go ahead and deny the truth of the scripture but then don't call yourself Christian aswell. Since "Mine is given all the power on earth and in heaven" is straight from the bible. It's in Matthew 28:18-20.
ElmerAwesome 1 year ago
@ElmerAwesome So your trying too state too me that Jesus is god? He is in some sense apart of god, But we all are because he created us but he is not physically apart of god he is a separate being and is not god almighty, Like i said show me one scripture witch says Jesus is god almighty.
jesseZR 1 year ago
@jesseZR I showed you the scripture that says that God gave all the power to Jesus. All the power = almighty.
ElmerAwesome 1 year ago
@ElmerAwesome Oh does it really or are you just assuming like every one else? Jesus is NOT god almighty the trinity is a false teaching.
jesseZR 1 year ago
@jesseZR Yes it does. It says so in the bible black/white. If you deny it then that´s your problem since the text is extremely clear.
MrRemcoremco 1 year ago
@MrRemcoremco If Skinnyandshort did not just show you in simple form that jesus is not god almighty then i have nothing else too say accept good luck in your false teachings, Just one more thing show me one scripture witch states that there is a trinity?
jesseZR 1 year ago
@jesseZR I SHOWED YOU A SCRIPTURE THAT SAID JESUS WAS GIVEN ALL THE POWER. You completely ignored it. You obviously don´t want a fair discussion so why should I continue with you? Why should I answer your questions if you are going to ignore the answers anyway...
MrRemcoremco 1 year ago
@MrRemcoremco Ok let me get this straight, You believe Jesus is god?
jesseZR 1 year ago
If Jesus is not the father, then why when Philip asked Jesus to "show us the father, that is all we need" did Jesus then reply "I've been with you this long Philip, do you not know me? Do you not beleive that I am in the father, and that the father is in me?" I know that's not the exact wording, but same thing.
RageAgainstNWO 1 year ago
Noone but GOD himself, could live a sinless life. The bible teaches us that JESUS GOD AND THE SPIRIT ARE ONE!!! far out bro get with it
samsaccountyea 1 year ago
Thank you for putting this together, it makes sense and I like the historical references.
haberman13 1 year ago
I understand your points but I still think your missing somethings I dont think your seeing the bigger picture. Heb 1 God enlists worship to the Son yet Luke says that only God is to be worshiped. Emmanuel means God with us. Rev 1:18 uses the title first and last peviously used only for God For the Son. John 8:58 and 8:24 are seemingly Large hurdles for your position plus the us our statments of Genesis 1:26 Angels dont create so who's He talking to?
wallymano 1 year ago
Haha, you should broadcast this clip on the discovery channel, well explained and well put like the films they show.
TheRevenantStudios 1 year ago
you should listen to james white or doctor micheal brown to understand debate them and jesus did say he was go when he said I AM so your deeply wrong like i said listen to those guys i suggested if the watchtower lets you or if you can think independentlly.
thorthor42 1 year ago
St. Clement of Rome, who was Bishop of Rome in 96 A.D., wrote on the Most Holy Trinity. So did other early Church Fathers: Irenaeus(A.D. 115-190), who listened to Polycarp-- a disciple of St. John the Apostle ; Tertullian (A.D. 160-215); Origen (A.D. 185-254). 200 years before Nicea! Christ promised to the Apostles: That he would be with them to the end of the age and the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church. The weeds did come, in the form of Arianism, and the Church prevailed.
hampthegreek 1 year ago
@hampthegreek Orthodox Christianity that Christ established on this earth prevailed against heresies of non-Trinitarianism (Arianism), and gnosticism. It is amazing that you use the Catholic Bible, that was put together in A.D. 397-- after the Council of Nicea, and distort the teachings of Christ and the Catholic Church. "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name?... Then I will declare to them solemnly, "I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers."
hampthegreek 1 year ago
genenis11verse 7 said come let US go down and there confuse their language that they may not understand one anothers speech once again who is Us if GOD is one
thorthor42 1 year ago
@thorthor42 - AMEN BROTHER.
LPATWILLFILM 1 year ago
this is all ignorant bullshit
ScientologySucksAss 1 year ago
I've been trying to find a JW who would engage me in a formal debate on this topic for some time now. All of those I've spoken to have chickened out. Would you be interested? You can check out my channel and my blogs (links are in my channel) to see who I am and what I'm all about. I would very much enjoy having a formal debate on the topic of whether the earliest Christians (apostles and their disciples) believed Christ to be God.
davidpwithun 1 year ago
@davidpwithun I am open to debating, discussing, Bible doctrine, not necessarily church history. But, sure, post a video and I will post a video response to it.
ewatchmandotcom 1 year ago
@ewatchmandotcom no church history discussion? whys that? because the watchtower was formed by charles tazr russel, who lied under oath in court...isnt that 1 of jesus most powerful commands not to do?? hmm for a man who said he was of god, why would he lie under oath? plz explain :)
samsaccountyea 1 year ago
The Council of Nicea was held as a response to heresies that were formulated at that time period.
-6:30 CONSTANTINE DID NOT DECLARE ANYTHING! This only proves you know nothing of the council, or you are lying. The bishops re-affirmed the doctrine that had been held since the first century. Ecumenical councils never "formulated" doctrine, they re-affirmed what was already there.
ignati123 1 year ago 3
@ignati123 That is ridiculous. The apostles never for one moment believed that Jesus was God. And besides that, the council of Nicea did not formulate the trinity doctrine. It would take a couple more centuries after Nicea for the trinity to evolve.
ewatchmandotcom 1 year ago
@ewatchmandotcom Ok, right there. We are dealing with an objective historical fact. The council of Nicea discussed this issue, remember Arius!? You can look up the records of the council, it's on the books, whether you believe in it or not.
Are you just misinformed, or are you lying to cover for a theology based in the modern era, what some bible study leader formulated from his own personal opinion. For crying out loud, the Bible actually comes out and says Christ is God!
ignati123 1 year ago
@ignati123 YES INDEED! JOHN 1:1 and PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 it's all right there for the taking. Right there in THE BIBLE! :) JESUS IS GOD. Hallelujah! You are so RIGHT. People NEED to get back to READING their BIBLE and let the HOLY GHOST lead them into ALL TRUTH. It is as THE LORD JESUS CHRIST says "a child" can "receive" GOD'S WORD it is an EASY yoke. :) But, people don't want to RECEIVE GOD'S WORD as "easy" bcuz it is too easy, they need to "INTELLECTUALIZE" the GOSPEL.
LPATWILLFILM 1 year ago
@ignati123 you so rite this guy knows nothing
thorthor42 1 year ago
@PerfectlyBlack Genesis chapter 11 would be a good place to start.
ewatchmandotcom 1 year ago
@PerfectlyBlack You may be confusing Babylon with Babel. They are two different things. Babel is the point of origination for the trinity and other religious mysteries. Babel, however, is not Babylon. After Jehovah confused the languages of mankind the city of Babel lapsed into irrelevancy. It would be over a thousand years before Babylon would come on the scene. In the meantime Egypt developed into the most advanced civilization. And as you likely know, the Egyptians were very religious.
ewatchmandotcom 1 year ago
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ReligionOrTruth 2 years ago
Speaking of the Trinity, The Illustrated Bible Dictionary admits: It is not a biblical doctrine in the sense that any formulation of it can be found in the Bible. Because the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine, Trinitarians have been desperately looking for Bible texts even twisting them to find support for their teaching.
Jesus accepted worship because he is a god in the sense of being divine, but he is not the Father.
John 4:21-24
John 14:28
John 20:17
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ReligionOrTruth 2 years ago
The bible teaches that God is incomprehensible (Rom 11:33,34, Isa.55:8,9). And yet even the WT Society admits that incomprehensibilty is not proper grounds for rejection. Note what they say: "Is that reasonable? Our minds cannot fully comprehend it. But that is not a sound reason for rejecting it." (Reasoning from the Scriptures", pg 148) The Trinity is not a lie, its is true (Matt 28:19) The WTS does not deny that there's a Trinity, they deny that the Trinity is God.
Hunley1961 2 years ago
So simple and straight to the point, brilliant video, thank you Robert.
shikinah2007 2 years ago 10
@shikinah2007 Brother I have to DISAGREE with you on this VIDEO... JESUS IS GOD. Read PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 (who thought it not robbery to be equal to God) Read also JOHN 1:1(In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God) the "Word" is JESUS. Therefore, let's be diligent and carefully SEARCH God's Word with HOLY GHOST leadership. It is CLEAR that JESUS CHRIST IS GOD. :) GOD the FATHER, GOD the SON & GOD the HOLY GHOST... The BLESSED TRINITY.
LPATWILLFILM 1 year ago
@LPATWILLFILM We agree on many things, but I cannot accept the trinity concept. Also consider this fact, every church which is a member of the "World Council Of Churches is a trinitarian church. The catholic being the instigator of this triad belief, its this body which will cause the great apostacy. In Revelations, itsays "get out of her my people if you do not want to share in her sins" Also the scriptures say "in the beginning was the word" so the word/christ must have been created.
shikinah2007 1 year ago
@shikinah2007 Yes, but you have to learn how to SEPARATE the WHEAT from the CHAFF, the FLOWER from the TARE. Don't you know that, that is the DECEPTION of SATAN is to "pervert" the Gospel on every level. So, he (i.e., Satan) uses "TRINITARIAN" (so-called churches) to do all manner of unrighteousness to make us then thwart and REJECT the complete GODHEAD as truly a BLESSED TRINITY. That's a direct "attack" and "ploy" of SATAN. You must OPEN your EYES to "this" DEVICE and STRATAGEM of SATAN.
LPATWILLFILM 1 year ago
@shikinah2007 Also, remember when THE LORD JESUS CHRIST says: "Those that Worship God must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth." Well, what or whom was JESUS referring to? Well, whom does Jesus Christ refer to as being "Truth?" That's right... HIMSELF ("I am the Way, the TRUTH,& the Life") and "in Spirit" is referring to simply as that... THE SPIRIT (i.e., HOLY GHOST). So, to worship GOD you MUST do so in SPIRIT (The Holy Ghost) and in TRUTH (The Lord Jesus Christ).
LPATWILLFILM 1 year ago
What do you think of the new American money called the Amero? As far as symbols on it,?
BlaqNebula1 2 years ago
What a brilliant mini - doc.
How did you get so much info into ten minutes without playing heavy metal music or attempting to shove 1000 illuminati images into 60 seconds ?
Those three in one gods sure get around.
Your once,,,twice,,,, three times a diety....
JinnvisibleTV 2 years ago 2
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There are already so many videos all over YouTube that deal with the subject. I may make a video some time time, but now is not that time. The question is not what is the trinity because the trinity is a mere doctrine, but WHY the trinity, once you understand WHY the trinity, you'll know what the trinity teaches. This doesn't mean you'll be able to fully comprehend it, but you'll be able to understand it to a certain point.
lchiddle 2 years ago
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Robert clearly you are absolutely ignorant of what the trinity is... You are confusing triads and tri-unities with the trinity. Epic fail
21crosscheck21 2 years ago
Please, explain the trinity to us, then. I have always found such "explanations" to be the greatest repudiation of the trinity.
ewatchmandotcom 2 years ago
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If you don't know what the trinity is and you require an explanation one wonders why you would make a video about the issue? Shouldn't you understand something before rejecting it and trying to refute it? Shameful
21crosscheck21 2 years ago
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These triads are not anything like the triune God. Robert, you don't even know what the trinity is, yet you continue posting deceptive videos like this one. You've even openly admitted that you don't know what the trinity, so why continue?
lchiddle 2 years ago
Blessings to you Robert: Daily I struggle with faith in God and Man, sometimes I wish Jehovah would hurry up and finish. But then your steeled faith manifests itself and my faith is rejuvenated. Your gift is being untamable with a passion for truth.
Thanks for keeping my little ember of faith stoked.
brianomdahl1 2 years ago 2
Interesting video Robert. I enjoyed hearing your perspective on the topic.
I would like to see a video where you discuss what the requirements are for salvation. In the end, that's all that matters.
jrichard1977 2 years ago
well done!!! 5 stars and faved
littleamigos 2 years ago 8
Jesus is God story never made sense to me at all. I was raised believing JW's. Even as an exjw, anti-religious, anti-Watchtower mentality, I still believe JW's more than I believe other religions.
People seem to have trouble understanding that. I make fun of religion, I mock the ideological stereotypes, I proudly consider myself an apostate, and even make fun of scriptures, especially the outrageous ones. There is so much humor in there. I can't help it. God must have been a comedian.
anzwertree 2 years ago
well look at the giraffe! i think surely God must have been having a laugh when he made them!
youwhosnameisjehovah 2 years ago
I love giraffes. What about the football fish, very creepy! :D
smallsushicat 2 years ago