I've always found it interesting that other great artist were so attracted to Mr. Gould: Leonard Rose, Oscar Shumsky, Yehudi Menuhin, Jamie Laredo....one would have thought perhaps that the more 'normal' types of musicians would avoid collaborations with Mr. Gould. I think those great artist felt and heard what was real and not common in Mr. Gould and had to make music with him, being that they were not 'common' either in terms of their inner musical life.
@muken48 I don't find it strange it all. I think it's really obvious that Gould was brilliant, and if I were a musician of their level I would have loved to collaborate with him.
I'm all for talking up Gould, and while I could not memorize all this material, isin't that part of being a virtuoso? What makes this piece so much harder to memorize than a piano concerto, for example?
@chaddyfromtheblock In this case, a cello sonata, a pianist would normally have the score in front of him (no matter how extensively the piano is featured in it). Pianists don't usually memorize works (for a concert setting) which aren't a piano sonata, piano concerto,etc. Plus, if the story is true, he memorized it in one day which would be an astounding feat for a work of this length.
@guitars2112 I'm not saying your wrong per se, but I can't imagine any true artist giving a real performance while sightreading. Your telling me Beethoven had the score in front of him if he preformed this? No, he KNEW the music just like Gould or anyone else with such talent could.
@chaddyfromtheblock there is a difference between sightreading and having the music there. For example, in orchestras, the musicians usually have the the sheet music there in front of them. it doesn't mean they don't know the music like the back of their hand.
@chaddyfromtheblock Memorizing music was actually really uncommon back in Beethoven's time. It's likely that he had his own works memorized but I highly doubt that when performing works by other composers he didn't use music
What a combination... Rose playing in his typical stoic fashion! and then there is Gould who looks like he is having a seizure while playing the piano! Haha this is classic footage!
Apparently, the day before this recording was made they decided to do it memorized (music stands awkward to film around or something), and Gould said something to the effect of
@rwocmo I've never heard anyone criticize Gould who isn't an obvious pedant, some of his biographers included. He was just such a compassionate, beautiful, and generous soul, Tim Page wrote some good things about him bc he spent time with him as a human being, not as a media representative. I think beyond anything Gould was such a wonderful person, even separated from anything he was as a pianist, just seeing a person be so real as he was has had an incredible influence on my life.
@rwocmo most of the Gould haters are pedantic types, they generally have skill at the keyboard but view it as a conquerable prospect. I have never heard a person with a real creative soul speak of GG negatively. I love period instrumentalists so much, but I don't think the real musicians among them would criticize GGs spirit, it takes a real pedant to reduce such musicianship to a theoretical thing they have never experienced and can not experience...
@Cancrizans Absolutely true, in fact to of the greatest period instrument players ever have both expressed a love of Gould's playing: Hopkinson Smith and Jordi Savall!
Gould understands the possibilities this piece posseses, both in larger and smaller meter and structure...Phrasing, harmonies, forms, sound and characters. Nothing extra, but still trying the limits and bending boundaries..A man with soul and something to say!!
I didn't really like both of the piano and cello togather. I would rather listen to one of them at a time. The piano overpowers the cello. If that makes any sense?
i am not sure about the way beethoven wanted this to be played, but it may be that the cello is accompanying the piano. As is in many of the violin sonatas, the violin actually accompanies the piano. The parts are frequently quite equal, but much of the time, it appears that what you think is the solo instrument, is actually accompanying the other.
there are two stories behind it. one is that he never used another because it had sentimental value because his father made it and it was like a memory or ode to him. the second that is more reputable is that it was constructed that it would be lower so that he could actually "pull" on the keys, the way many piano players are trained to do and that he just wanted to physically enhance. it also had an exact right angle for the back so he couldn't lean back, always straight or forward
So grateful to someone who posted such magical performances, we could not see them now live but having a memory like this is so wonderful, thank you very much. Great artists both. Wonderful.
As fas as Gould's playing, it is a pleasure watching a pianist make an "accompaniment" his own. You've got to go beyond the fact that he is an "enfant terrible". What he does here is great. Leonard Rose is just superb. He is so elegant, you can only learn from his playing.
Please don't understand me. I'm a big fan of Mr. Gould and this is a terrific performance by both artists. He is genius. But sometimes he likes to show off how clever he is because he can do anything piano-wise, that is.
Actually, I was prompted to make my original comment because I was vastly tickled by the hilarious comments which preceded. In particular, the one that stated that this was a "piano sonata, accompanied by a cello". It really should be the other way around or both parts equal :P
Gould has always been "l'enfant teribble". I can't recall a moment when he played normally. Listen to his Mozart Sonatas! He was as childish in disposition as Mozart was reputed to be.
Yes, but child-like more than childish. Sure, both of them were precocious and sometimes annoying to adults, but neither had a chance to grow up normally, and they both died horribly. Yet, we enjoy their gifts until today.
Seeing that I'm a cellist myself, I give this video a "thumbs up". Leonard Rose was such a great cellist, and I like his interpretation of the Beethoven sonatas.
I've always found it interesting that other great artist were so attracted to Mr. Gould: Leonard Rose, Oscar Shumsky, Yehudi Menuhin, Jamie Laredo....one would have thought perhaps that the more 'normal' types of musicians would avoid collaborations with Mr. Gould. I think those great artist felt and heard what was real and not common in Mr. Gould and had to make music with him, being that they were not 'common' either in terms of their inner musical life.
muken48 1 month ago
@muken48 I don't find it strange it all. I think it's really obvious that Gould was brilliant, and if I were a musician of their level I would have loved to collaborate with him.
AbsoluteZ3R0 3 weeks ago
I'm all for talking up Gould, and while I could not memorize all this material, isin't that part of being a virtuoso? What makes this piece so much harder to memorize than a piano concerto, for example?
chaddyfromtheblock 1 year ago
@chaddyfromtheblock In this case, a cello sonata, a pianist would normally have the score in front of him (no matter how extensively the piano is featured in it). Pianists don't usually memorize works (for a concert setting) which aren't a piano sonata, piano concerto,etc. Plus, if the story is true, he memorized it in one day which would be an astounding feat for a work of this length.
guitars2112 1 year ago
@guitars2112 I'm not saying your wrong per se, but I can't imagine any true artist giving a real performance while sightreading. Your telling me Beethoven had the score in front of him if he preformed this? No, he KNEW the music just like Gould or anyone else with such talent could.
chaddyfromtheblock 1 year ago
@chaddyfromtheblock there is a difference between sightreading and having the music there. For example, in orchestras, the musicians usually have the the sheet music there in front of them. it doesn't mean they don't know the music like the back of their hand.
MagicDolphinGO 1 year ago
@chaddyfromtheblock Correct, the only way to play at this level is muscle memory. Reading the music is for learning not performing.
grenvthompson 4 months ago
@chaddyfromtheblock Memorizing music was actually really uncommon back in Beethoven's time. It's likely that he had his own works memorized but I highly doubt that when performing works by other composers he didn't use music
AbsoluteZ3R0 3 weeks ago
3:36 - 3:40 This is my favorite part! So percussive! ^_^
pieguyfry22 1 year ago
@pieguyfry22 That also happens to be the part where Gould's nicely styled hair becomes disheveled.
trekcube 1 year ago
What a combination... Rose playing in his typical stoic fashion! and then there is Gould who looks like he is having a seizure while playing the piano! Haha this is classic footage!
1234cello 1 year ago
Amazing!
XxBROKENSMOKExX 2 years ago
nice
que300 2 years ago
Those men are geniuses.
A brilliant performance.
Thanks for posting this video.
Jamesgs007 2 years ago 6
I cry is Beautifull..the soul in they notes...<3
tototoches 2 years ago
Poesía!!!
Glenn Gould es un genio!!!
joanmalonso26 2 years ago
Oh god...about to start this!
TheHumannBee 2 years ago
i really loved it but i think the cello needed a bigger
part.
skimber 2 years ago
oh what.. where in the world did this footage come from? what a find!
brozors 2 years ago 5
@brozors The CBC has thousands of miles of Gould live footage. Write them and demand that a proper Collection be compiled and sold to the public.
twolegsnotail 2 years ago 3
brilliant.
MadamCadaver 2 years ago 3
Anyone notice that Gould is playing from memory? He was a monster on the piano. Hate him or love him, you cannot ignore him. He TALKS on the piano.
rwocmo 3 years ago 27
And notice that Leonard Rose also plays from memory?
Brilliant Beethoven by both!!!
caitruane 3 years ago 7
Apparently, the day before this recording was made they decided to do it memorized (music stands awkward to film around or something), and Gould said something to the effect of
"OH you wanted it *memorized*?! Ok, tomorrow."
The next day, note-perfect as you see here.
What a nut that guy was.
OzzyKingofKings 2 years ago 25
@OzzyKingofKings
It's took him a whole day to memorize?
(/joke)
Lingyis 11 months ago
@rwocmo I've never heard anyone criticize Gould who isn't an obvious pedant, some of his biographers included. He was just such a compassionate, beautiful, and generous soul, Tim Page wrote some good things about him bc he spent time with him as a human being, not as a media representative. I think beyond anything Gould was such a wonderful person, even separated from anything he was as a pianist, just seeing a person be so real as he was has had an incredible influence on my life.
Cancrizans 10 months ago
@rwocmo most of the Gould haters are pedantic types, they generally have skill at the keyboard but view it as a conquerable prospect. I have never heard a person with a real creative soul speak of GG negatively. I love period instrumentalists so much, but I don't think the real musicians among them would criticize GGs spirit, it takes a real pedant to reduce such musicianship to a theoretical thing they have never experienced and can not experience...
Cancrizans 10 months ago
@Cancrizans Absolutely true, in fact to of the greatest period instrument players ever have both expressed a love of Gould's playing: Hopkinson Smith and Jordi Savall!
LutenistDeMari 9 months ago
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I've played this mvt and i know the piano part. Yes, the cello does accompany the piano in many sections.
Also, Gould adds on a lot of extra piano stuff here and there and i'm not liking it.
rlgrunge 3 years ago
Gould understands the possibilities this piece posseses, both in larger and smaller meter and structure...Phrasing, harmonies, forms, sound and characters. Nothing extra, but still trying the limits and bending boundaries..A man with soul and something to say!!
markformusic 3 years ago 5
I didn't really like both of the piano and cello togather. I would rather listen to one of them at a time. The piano overpowers the cello. If that makes any sense?
britt556 3 years ago
i am not sure about the way beethoven wanted this to be played, but it may be that the cello is accompanying the piano. As is in many of the violin sonatas, the violin actually accompanies the piano. The parts are frequently quite equal, but much of the time, it appears that what you think is the solo instrument, is actually accompanying the other.
DualThunder 3 years ago 2
i understand what you are trying to say. But say they both did well.
zaokoyechatma 3 years ago
there are two stories behind it. one is that he never used another because it had sentimental value because his father made it and it was like a memory or ode to him. the second that is more reputable is that it was constructed that it would be lower so that he could actually "pull" on the keys, the way many piano players are trained to do and that he just wanted to physically enhance. it also had an exact right angle for the back so he couldn't lean back, always straight or forward
pashatseitlin 3 years ago
haha, with Gould, this is a piano sonata, accompagnied by cello.
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago 4
word
tnix80 3 years ago
why is that man in that small ass chair
zaokoyechatma 3 years ago
gould's father made it for him when he was a child and he only uses that chair when he plays
pashatseitlin 3 years ago
OMG really is it lucky are somthing
zaokoyechatma 3 years ago
They sound so much more amazing than I do!!!
iceangel32992 3 years ago
of course they do
zaokoyechatma 3 years ago
Guldu bi violonchelista pointeresnee.
bzyakalka 3 years ago
beautiful has no significance compared to this
romymistique 3 years ago
I that the Amati that Gary Hoffman plays now?
proggoth 4 years ago
Oh man- just awesome...Glenn will live on in my heart...although I havent heard much of Roses playing...what a great gift!!!..
violoncellomaster 4 years ago
So grateful to someone who posted such magical performances, we could not see them now live but having a memory like this is so wonderful, thank you very much. Great artists both. Wonderful.
3isa5 4 years ago 2
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what's up wit the piano player is he trying to conduct and play the piano at the same tyme
zaokoyechatma 4 years ago
this is a beautiful performance. so glad its recorded. Both are genius are deserve so much respect.
janey87 4 years ago 2
As fas as Gould's playing, it is a pleasure watching a pianist make an "accompaniment" his own. You've got to go beyond the fact that he is an "enfant terrible". What he does here is great. Leonard Rose is just superb. He is so elegant, you can only learn from his playing.
mauricio1973 4 years ago
Please don't understand me. I'm a big fan of Mr. Gould and this is a terrific performance by both artists. He is genius. But sometimes he likes to show off how clever he is because he can do anything piano-wise, that is.
Nodame2006 4 years ago
Actually, I was prompted to make my original comment because I was vastly tickled by the hilarious comments which preceded. In particular, the one that stated that this was a "piano sonata, accompanied by a cello". It really should be the other way around or both parts equal :P
Nodame2006 4 years ago 2
Depending, it's been titled Sonata No. 3, etc., Cello Sonata No. 3, etc., and, more aptly, Sonata No. 3 for cello and piano, etc.
joyleemorr 4 years ago
In reference to the reliably tedious sniping at Glenn Gould... "the dogs bark, the caravan passes".
wfarnaby 4 years ago
Gould can play "normally" if he wants to, but the eternal "enfant terrible" in him wont let him :P
Nodame2006 4 years ago
Gould has always been "l'enfant teribble". I can't recall a moment when he played normally. Listen to his Mozart Sonatas! He was as childish in disposition as Mozart was reputed to be.
Depatoshita 4 years ago
Yes, but child-like more than childish. Sure, both of them were precocious and sometimes annoying to adults, but neither had a chance to grow up normally, and they both died horribly. Yet, we enjoy their gifts until today.
salmonroll 4 years ago
Google "Much Ado about Humming-Glenn Gould's Imaginary Orchestra." Very interesting and enlightening, I think.
joyleemorr 4 years ago
cool
zaokoyechatma 4 years ago
Seeing that I'm a cellist myself, I give this video a "thumbs up". Leonard Rose was such a great cellist, and I like his interpretation of the Beethoven sonatas.
snootzie78 4 years ago
haha, with Gould, this is a piano sonata, accompagnied by cello.
gpahdnon 4 years ago
agree. you can't not like his playing though..
vcij 3 years ago 3
As George Szell said: "That nut's a genius".
Eddy438 4 years ago
God, is Gould crazy (or possessed). Rose deserves a Purple Heart just for playing with him. Still, magic.
radlib1 4 years ago
At least you can't hear him humming.
psaffrey 4 years ago
WOW this is amazing! thnak you so very much for posting it up! Have a wonderful weekend! His autumnrain, becca @-->-----
Hisautumnrain 4 years ago