As far as I know it, there were 3 foreigner samurais in the Age of Civil Wars. Englishman William Adams(三浦按針) who acted as a model of Anjin, Dutch Jan Joosten van Loodensteijn(耶楊子) who got on the wreck with Adams, and Mozambican Yasuke(弥助) who came to Japan as a slave of an Italian missionary. Adams and Joosten did Ieyasu's diplomatic advisor-like work, but Yasuke campaigned in several wars as Nobunaga's praetorian.
@cabriles123 You'll find it on amazon or ebay. It was originally aired as a mini series and eventually came out on VHS but I'm sure you'll be able to find the DVD set if you look hard enough.
@davazno1 You should read Samurai William by Giles Milton. It is the true story behind Clavell's book and this series. It was published by Penguin, so you can always check penguin.com too. Maybe run you about 14 U.S. dollars.
@davazno1 If you liked shogun then you will love The Journeyer by Gary Jennings, it's about the travels of Marco Polo. I read it back in 1984 when it was first published and have never forgotton it. Give it a go.
It's funny that Euro American trash is calling Japanese Samurai worriors "blood thirtsty" lol when they were ethnically cleansing australian aborigenees, native americans, aztecs, opium war, trading black slaves.
Just look up guillotine and number of peole killed for suspected of being a witch lol or for claiming that the earth was round. And those retard crusaders mass murdering in foreign lands "for Jesus Christ"
Everyone has had their rotten apples. I could go and on and on. But rather than do that, I love this mini-series. There will never be one like this again.
And as far as your history goes, I bet you are not correct about the witch hunts. They did happen, but the 9 million number was far too high. If you want a legit tome instead of politically correct Wicca-washed nonsense, read "Witches and Neighbors." May your eyes be opened; also, many men as women were killed as well.
@Wytchfinde thanks for the response, I didn't know 9 million were said to be killed. anyway I was giving examples of barbarism in Europe that far exceeds those of the samurai at similar time of history.
come on guys... if you criticize japanese culture you have to criticize every culture and religion... the point is that samurais had something called discipline, in their way...
you know that their philosophy is until these days, and it's more intelligent that believe in a 'bloodthristy' god that appears in a book... and you can notice they were an important culture in history of mankind...
anyway, i hate otakus and that shit... and i hate the samurai fuckin head XD
Hey guy's! Am I correct - the last episode is where they show Blackthorne building his new ship on the beach and Taranaga standing on a mountain and looking at John ? Or is it something else after this episode ?? plz reply !!!
i find very interesting their way of life, yes the codes were rigid but with a purpose,they leaved no room for incompetence, they needed responsible men to carry out their dutyes in front of their daymios and the emperor and they were civilized not like the europeans who were dirty as pigs and disobedients to their lords
the 80's had a ton of gr8 mini-series..... shogun, blue and grey, thornbirds, winds of war, V, Doubt if any studio could pull it off today.....quality was a given back then.....
i agree, christians were barbarian too in some way, who here know what the spainish did to the jewish and everybody else who weren't christians in the 16th century??? they tortured and killed them. it's easy to blame everybody else.
i agree, christians were barbarian too in some way, who here know what the spainish did to the jewish and everybody else who weren't christians in the 16th century??? they tortured and killed them.
Can all of you just calm down for a moment.This series was about an Englishman who survived an storm and woke up in Japan with his remaining crewmembers. We all know how the story went.This Eurpoean Asian & American crap is all nonsense.Every culture is different whether if was 200-400 yrs ago or present day.It's good to know history Shogun provided how the Japanese culture was 300-400 yrs ago.
So many people here bashing Europeans...Who are you deffending? The Japanese? Yourself? Any Japanese here that feels the same hatred for Europeans that these people are?. Heh... Foolish people. Europeans and Japanese and Americans has gotten along very well these last centurys. What was done 600 years ago is forgotten and forgived. If you have nothing else to do than rant and rave about situations that occured 600 years ago, then you are a sad human being. Get a life.
The movie was ahead of it's time in production and the realistic feel of the characters. Every man fell in love with Mariko, if ever a real woman existed, she was it. Never can get enough of this movie...
In the series Blackthorne gets offended when Yôko Shimada asks if he wants to share pillow (i.e. have sex) with boys, and in reality Chamberlain (he who plays Blackthorne) is homosexual. Chamberlain even married a guy in '75. Look it up if you don't believe me.
i bought the book for .99, is noble house better? im more interested in modern times but i dunno if shogun has any good parts since i read part of noble house and liked it
Interesting and informative movie. I found it amusing that the Japanese considered the Europeans barbarians when they themselves were much more barbaric, what with their utter lack of respect for life. Savagery with rigid codes of conduct is still savagery.
@SiriusLumino Much more barbaric? You're kidding, right? The West was no different! Europe at this time was ruled by equally tyrannical monarchies and racked with religious wars. Japan never had Crusades, or the Inquisition. Disregard for human life?? At this same time, Europeans were committing genocide across the Americas! At least the Japanese bathed regularly. In some aspects (treatment of women for instance) Japan was more civilized, but both sides were pretty equally medieval.
@SiriusLumino wtf??? Japanese during those time live in a code of honer and respect (they warn their enemies first before attacking). Europeans during those time use their God, religion, and Bible as an excuse for slavery, death (witch hanging and burning), and molesting boys.
@SiriusLumino I agree. This movie changed the way I viewed medieval Japan. I've heard people - primarily video game addicts - speak with reverence about the samurai and the age they lived in, but I was surprised & shocked at how bloodthirsty & cruel the "honorable" samurai really were. Decapitating a guy just for looking at him wrong? Thinking nothing of killing an entire village on a mere whim? Not MY idea of high principles . . .
@Remorselesslymine then you dont know high principles. this is entirely appropriate. think of the analogy of prison life. if a guy looks at you a certain way there you kill him because you know he is gonna kill you. its about RESPECT. Japanese society was the same. spend time in a foreign country and you either learn this or you suffer for it. what they did was not bloodthirsty...its the laws of animals nature. animals have these same rules. thats not primitive. its real.
@SiriusLumino And the way Japanese women were treated . . . okay, so European women didn't exactly have a cakewalk back then, but it wasn't permissible for European men to kill their wives for whatever reason they chose! Japanese men could do it, though, for any reason.
@SiriusLumino Another barbaric thing was how the Japanese refused to save comrades who had "failed" at a task, but instead let them drown or expected them to commit ritual suicide if they were not in immediate danger of death. As for the whole ritual suicide thing . . . yeah, I'm not going to even get into that. Your statement "utter lack of respect for life" sums it all up.
@SiriusLumino The Europeans were barbarians. They went around the planet conquering everyone who wasn't white and forced them to turn Christian and then tried to exploit them for their wealth or turn them over to slavery. I for one am glad that the Japanese didn't stand for that shit. And this miniseries reflected that.
@MrLunitunz Do you hold the same low opinion of non-European conquerors like central Asian steppe tribes, the Arabs in the 7th century, the Ottoman Turks, the Aztecs, and numerous others? What about Japan's attempt to conquer Korea in the late 16th century? Was that barbaric and are you glad that the Koreans didn't stand for that crap? Conquerors and exploiters come from all parts of the planet: it's human nature to covet.
@mkeogh76 The difference here is that none of those conquerors are still standing. The Europeans are. And the effects of their conquests, exploitation, and subjugation are still felt.
@sk8pn The nukes more than made up for that. For all the crap the Americans gave the Japanese about their imperialism, at the end of the day they were just a bunch of hypocrites. They dropped nukes on them, which nobody deserved, not the Japanese, not anybody. And then for the next 70 years politically they go imposing themselves on all regions of the planet, claiming to be 'world police', whilst simultaneously doing backdoor dealings with the very people they should be dropping bombs on.
@MrLunitunz i know all about american imperialism and hypocrisy but i dont think america has killed as many civilians as the japanese empire did yet.america is at about 12 million.i was just saying japan has blood on their hands to
@sk8pn It's way more than that. While I do love America and and American culture, American government is where you will find some of the most horrendous and hypocritical people ever. America has killed many civilians, just look at Vietnam or Iraq, Iraq where we have video footage of American soldiers opening fire on a bunch of Iraqi civilians. Japan has blood on its hands, not as much as America, or Spain or Britain from whence America spawned.
@MrLunitunz yeah i said they killed 12 million civilians since ww2.when ww2 ended america was taken over by banks and the industrial military complex.
@MrLunitunz What was it called when the Japanese did the same to Manchuria, Korea, China, and the rest of Southeast Asia in the '20s and 30's? That's the Japanese "not standing for shit"? Perpetrating there own, more like it.
@orinemma 20s and 30s compared to the Europeans more than 400 years of subjugation and forced conversion successful or otherwise. Face it, the Europeans were much worse. And the Europeans were allowed, after the war, to basically continue doing what they did, the Americans crippled the Japanese with a nuclear bomb, the only ones ever deployed, and then took away their army, leaving US Soldiers in there to basically rape and murder locals and generally cause trouble.
@MrLunitunz funny, cause ask korea and china why they hate Japan today.
because japan tried to destroy korean culture,history and language, and they had death marches, concentration camps and 100.000's of sex slaves, tell me im lying?
@quezcatol They don't necessarily hate Japan today.
As for your point, of course the Japanese did all of those things. I never denied that. But people here are talking as if it wasn't centuries ago that the Japanese people tried to do these things.They don't try and conquer other nations now, they can't. Whereas the western powers continue to do what they've been doing for centuries, may6be not in the same way but definitely to the same effect. That's definite hypocrisy there
@MrLunitunz I'm just saying that guys like SiriuysLumino is a nutcase. 8 years prior to when Shogun takes place "toranaga(really name was tokugawa) and other daiymos invaded Korea 1592-1598.
And we know how cruel the Japanese was to people who didnt convert to their religion+ worshiop their emperor, they cut off earsnibs and noses on warprisoners, so when japans ship only took them as long as korea and then they invaded korea, how can he talk bad about europe?
@quezcatol Date Masamune was however an open minded person who let christains into "Date land" north of Japan, today where fukishima was struck, his daughter even converted to christianity.
Data Masamune was a daiymo, just like Tokugawa (in the serie called Toranga) and liked europeans. He even sent a ship to Europe to meet the pope and convert to christianity.
Some of the japanese samurais in the 1600 who visited Europe, their descendets still live in Europe.
@quezcatol Not all Japanese people thought Europeans was "barbarians" Date Masamune, who was famous for being blind on one eye and a great warlord, with his black samurai armor, really liked Europeans.
He also liked their faith, so don't base Japanese view on europeans just on what happends in "shogun".
During the Sengoku period, there was tons of clans and lords(daiymos) who tried to sieze power, Tokugawa with his east coalition (Date Masamune included) did win, and let Tokugawa become Shogun!
@MrLunitunz Ah, but you are wrong to some extent... Although Europeans might be the mongrols that you claim them to be, most of the Europeans are not white.
If you judge Christians (which I assume you mean Europeans) for exploting foreign cultures prosperity and putting them in to slavery, then you must also look at what the rest of the world did.
In order to know anything for certain, we must first doubt everything we know.
@MrLunitunz obs! that the japanese lord Tokugawa used portuse cannons and muskets when he sieged osaka Castle and becamse shogun.
And Blackthrone(adam williams) becamse very wealthy. Tokugawa didnt hate Europeans, but he was afraid of a spanish/protugese invasion. thats why he liked the english Adam Williams.
Evil? If the Otttoman's were Spanish all the Orthodox Christian Greeks, Armenians as well as Jews would be exterminated. Maybe even Arabs since they are not Turkish.
@MrLunitunz You're talkin about the jesuits, and their sub-empire, great britain. Rome is foreign and not European, since Aeneas it has been the hq of the invasion, infiltration, and so on. The Dutch, true Europeans, were on kindly footin with Japan. So make a difference between Dutch and jesuit or roman. Any country led by a king was under command of rome.
I see you are good educated in political correctnes not history. Europeans conquered other peoples because they had technical possibilities - guns, sea-going ships, navigation etc. Other peoples weren't better (read about african or american tribes wars). Modern racism exists since XIX c. Moreover, other peoples profited by achievements of European civilization - science, medicine, industry, agriculture, technology... Modern Japan is copy of Europe, isn't? :)
@religiofob Modern Japan is a lot of stuff. I don't say that from a reverent or idealized perspective, but from reality. The country is a combination of a huge number of factors from its surge into westernization, its wartime actions and consequences, its persistent culture (beliefs, values, ethics, etc.) which like every culture is in constant flux, etc. s. Japan is often idealized (inaccurately), but to blanket it all under "a copy of Europe" is just as bad as those who idealize it.
I have no clue why you would consider it barbaric that one would consider life and death as equal rather than something to be terrified of. It's actually a better way to live, if you ask me. The Europeans at the time were disgusting and believed that they needed to live in filth because they believe Christ had to. No one can accurately explain life or death with solid proof, so why not treat it as equal? It's logical to me...
@SiriusLumino not at all, remember this took place in a time in which european countries set out to conquer the rest of the world, in the americas alone 60 to 80 mllion people were murdered (as related by friar bartolome de las casas in his "brief relation of the destruction of the indies" ), because they weren't human, later however after etracting and giving human characteristics to the natives, new born babies were killed with after being baptized of course, so their souls would go to heaven
LOL, as if the Europeans had any more respect for life? Perhaps for their own hides but not for that of the commoners and certainly not for foreigners in subjugated countries (America, Africa, India).
Ever heard of the 30 Years War, Spanish Inquisition, Napoleonic Wars?
The Death Penalty was only abolished in most of Europe in the late 20th century.
Most executions in the "civilized west" today are being carried out in the US of A.
@ragratt The book is about the way of living in Japan . . . and the life never ends. So: what ending will satisfy you? Think again, very hard. And, do you remember the "Gilligan's island"?
Noo ...read the book if u really wanna know the story.. the movie is good.. sry for that ..but...you cannot just change the acts from the book or simplify them ..in a 90 min film....:)
One thing that I really enjoyed that you can't get (or maybe I'm just not imaginative enough) is the scene where Toda Hirumastu (I think is suppose to Honda Tadakatsu) escorts Blackthorn into "Osaka." The music was awesome!
I agree with most of the people. The movie doesn't even begin to live up to the book, although It's not that bad taken separately. I've read it twice thus far and I plan on reading it again some time. The book makes you want to never stop reading it. It gives just enough details to stir your imagination and not too much that it bores you. The action and the passion, the way Japanese people lived, their moral code and the way it changed an outsider, the ending of the story. Great! :love:
Compare the differnet John Blackthorne-Personifications and you will laugh. Here a great blonde man with skills and wit and on the other side: Richard Chamberlain.
I have read the book and seen the mini series. The book is good as a book, the series is good as a series. No need to rack down on the mini series for not being intellectual enough. You can't show everything in a novel's intrigue when you make it a series, but the series can show an imagery that a novel isn't capable of. Shogun the mini series did that to a superb degree.
I agree. After reading the book and watching this older TV series, it makes me wish that with the wonders of modern technology one could create a better representation. The city (Edo I think it was) where Blackthorn first meets Toranaga is home to millions of people in the book, in the movie it comes across as little more than a village.
@arkanox111 Um, why? It's perfectly fine as it is. If they wanted to do something with James Clavell they should focus on Gai-Jin or Whirlwind, and get Pierce Brosnan to reprise his role as Dunross in the latter.
Absolute awesome!! I read the book twice, and I was pleasantly surprised that they kept a lot of the fine details in the TV series. However, it was very interesting for me to find out that Lord Toranaga's and Lord Ishido's physical looks are completely reversed in the TV series compared to the description found in the book. Did anybody else notice that?? All the actors did a superb job, and Chamberlain seems to have been the only actor at the time who fitted perfectly to play Blackthorne's role
@elopezca Clavell wanted Sean Connery and in fact he was offered the role but turned it down. I think he would have been great but I agree that Chamberlain was just about perfect
@moelicious416 I understand where you are coming from but the exploits are based on a real life person who happened to be white. What would u like James Clavell to do? Change his race? If anything the white character is shown in many ways to become more civilized after coming to Japan
I agree with you beat cat , im brasilian and reading Shogun ( Xogum here) for the second time and the people say im crazy to read a book so long. I never watched the tv series. Can you tell me with all dialogues are in english? would b so good with they speak like the book, more portuguese, japanese and latim. Sorry for any gramatical mistakes.
@pedrohunter2002 They actually use the style of the book. Japanese is spoken by the Japanese characters and english by the westerners. There is not a lot of portugese or spanish spoken except by Rodrigues. It is worth seeing. I have read the book to tatters I have read it so much. But if you do watch it. Get the whole series. As they have a condensed 2 and half hr version which isn't very good.
I saw this series as a 13 year old and loved it. Recently saw it again on DVD and it still holds up. The 13 year old me had a major crush on the character Fujiko
@elopezca HA! Yes, even prettier then the actress who played Mariko. When I originally posted here it got me curious so I looked up the name of the actress who played Fujiko. She still acts and is quite a pretty older woman!
@elopezca If you google her name you should find quite a few links that show what she has done since Shogun and some current pics of her. If you can get your hands on the Shogun DVD it has great behind the scenes stuff and interviews with most of the cast that are still alive. Unfortunatley, she is not did not take part though
Yo ví esta serie cuando era un niño...me encantaba. La música era parte del encanto de Shogún, lamentablemente la tv publica dejó de presentar buenas miniseries como esta.
van1980, your posts speak for themselves. You don't deserve to live. Kill yourself, preferably in the most painful way possible. You have nothing to say, and never will.
They both stand alone as very good things. I would say the book is superior, but for people who have very little patience or imagination, the TV series might be better. We live in a world of stupid, lazy people. And of people who are treated like slaves by the corporations; these people NEED quick TV
@beatcat22 I'm sure you're the only one who loves you as much as you do. Your self-obsession and hate towards others is comical, sourced no doubt in your habitual ineptitude.
Very loosely based on real people circa 1600. Toranaga was based on ieyasu tokugawa, blackthorne was based on will Adams.
paulcox2011 19 hours ago
i was in 5th grade and that japanese woman( lead actress) was so beautiful
gotherealex 2 months ago
Best book I've ever read
rewolfwerdna 2 months ago 4
a nice mixture of Japanese and European music
Viplexify 4 months ago
As far as I know it, there were 3 foreigner samurais in the Age of Civil Wars. Englishman William Adams(三浦按針) who acted as a model of Anjin, Dutch Jan Joosten van Loodensteijn(耶楊子) who got on the wreck with Adams, and Mozambican Yasuke(弥助) who came to Japan as a slave of an Italian missionary. Adams and Joosten did Ieyasu's diplomatic advisor-like work, but Yasuke campaigned in several wars as Nobunaga's praetorian.
chikurin4807 4 months ago
esta y afrodita a marcaron mi pasion por japon
casitodoelcielo 5 months ago
I have read this book many times, but I want to watch it in movie..Where can i find this...??
cabriles123 6 months ago
@cabriles123 You'll find it on amazon or ebay. It was originally aired as a mini series and eventually came out on VHS but I'm sure you'll be able to find the DVD set if you look hard enough.
jriser1 5 months ago
@cabriles123 It is currently on DVD. Also, it is a mini-series with 5 episodes not a movie.
swinebread 3 months ago
Does anyone know another book like Shogun ?
davazno1 6 months ago
@davazno1 You should read Samurai William by Giles Milton. It is the true story behind Clavell's book and this series. It was published by Penguin, so you can always check penguin.com too. Maybe run you about 14 U.S. dollars.
cormentem 5 months ago
@cormentem Thnaks , i searched for this book you mentioned but i couldn't find it translated into my native language . :(
davazno1 5 months ago
@davazno1 If you liked shogun then you will love The Journeyer by Gary Jennings, it's about the travels of Marco Polo. I read it back in 1984 when it was first published and have never forgotton it. Give it a go.
sunshine9968 5 months ago
It's funny that Euro American trash is calling Japanese Samurai worriors "blood thirtsty" lol when they were ethnically cleansing australian aborigenees, native americans, aztecs, opium war, trading black slaves.
Just look up guillotine and number of peole killed for suspected of being a witch lol or for claiming that the earth was round. And those retard crusaders mass murdering in foreign lands "for Jesus Christ"
Thegus0 6 months ago
@Thegus0
Everyone has had their rotten apples. I could go and on and on. But rather than do that, I love this mini-series. There will never be one like this again.
And as far as your history goes, I bet you are not correct about the witch hunts. They did happen, but the 9 million number was far too high. If you want a legit tome instead of politically correct Wicca-washed nonsense, read "Witches and Neighbors." May your eyes be opened; also, many men as women were killed as well.
Wytchfinde 6 months ago
@Wytchfinde thanks for the response, I didn't know 9 million were said to be killed. anyway I was giving examples of barbarism in Europe that far exceeds those of the samurai at similar time of history.
Thegus0 6 months ago
Chuck Norris.... the (only) way of the warrior.
TheHannibalos 6 months ago
Shogun: The Legend of the Chuck Norris warrior
Hazzadgoing 6 months ago
come on guys... if you criticize japanese culture you have to criticize every culture and religion... the point is that samurais had something called discipline, in their way...
you know that their philosophy is until these days, and it's more intelligent that believe in a 'bloodthristy' god that appears in a book... and you can notice they were an important culture in history of mankind...
anyway, i hate otakus and that shit... and i hate the samurai fuckin head XD
Scaar81 7 months ago
Hey guy's! Am I correct - the last episode is where they show Blackthorne building his new ship on the beach and Taranaga standing on a mountain and looking at John ? Or is it something else after this episode ?? plz reply !!!
suineg1 8 months ago
@suineg1 You are correct, it's the last episode.
1Thir13teen3 7 months ago
@1Thir13teen3 Baad :( Strange ending... thx for reply.
suineg1 7 months ago
@suineg1 no its when black thorne reads mariko's letter after she died
2good2betroo 7 months ago
@2good2betroo Nooooo! spoiler! :( You killing me ;| I just wanted to know it was the end or not, and now you said that she died in the end...
suineg1 7 months ago
@2good2betroo p.s. You've got nice hamster's erasers - I like them most of your collection. ^^)
suineg1 7 months ago
@suineg1 lol thx :}
2good2betroo 7 months ago
none are innocent. it is man's nature to steal from ,subjugate and destroy those weaker than they are, whatever race or nationality you care to name.
hiodr 9 months ago
i find very interesting their way of life, yes the codes were rigid but with a purpose,they leaved no room for incompetence, they needed responsible men to carry out their dutyes in front of their daymios and the emperor and they were civilized not like the europeans who were dirty as pigs and disobedients to their lords
zanumaselut 9 months ago
I love this song
JemHadar1613 9 months ago
Actually barbarian means just as much as different, from an other culture.
rafboe 9 months ago
the 80's had a ton of gr8 mini-series..... shogun, blue and grey, thornbirds, winds of war, V, Doubt if any studio could pull it off today.....quality was a given back then.....
davedropd1 9 months ago
Guys....
Cant you just enjoy the epic and immerse yourself in the story?
PrinceAntonVoytek 9 months ago
they wiped out a million armenians, is that evil enough for you?
dontleademsomuch 9 months ago
youtube search "count vittorio vivaldi & eric jon phelps japanese earthquake"
howtoplanaparty 9 months ago
i agree, christians were barbarian too in some way, who here know what the spainish did to the jewish and everybody else who weren't christians in the 16th century??? they tortured and killed them. it's easy to blame everybody else.
65Eyal 9 months ago
i agree, christians were barbarian too in some way, who here know what the spainish did to the jewish and everybody else who weren't christians in the 16th century??? they tortured and killed them.
65Eyal 9 months ago
fuck you and jewoogle tube
FUwogs 10 months ago
Can all of you just calm down for a moment.This series was about an Englishman who survived an storm and woke up in Japan with his remaining crewmembers. We all know how the story went.This Eurpoean Asian & American crap is all nonsense.Every culture is different whether if was 200-400 yrs ago or present day.It's good to know history Shogun provided how the Japanese culture was 300-400 yrs ago.
weneedheroesnow 10 months ago
So many people here bashing Europeans...Who are you deffending? The Japanese? Yourself? Any Japanese here that feels the same hatred for Europeans that these people are?. Heh... Foolish people. Europeans and Japanese and Americans has gotten along very well these last centurys. What was done 600 years ago is forgotten and forgived. If you have nothing else to do than rant and rave about situations that occured 600 years ago, then you are a sad human being. Get a life.
GigglinMarley 10 months ago
James Clavell is Awesome!!! thanks for all the great Epics!!!!
zizouism 10 months ago
Damn you dad ! Forcing me to watch this ! Damn myself for downloading it now..
adamzkiii21 10 months ago
where can i watch this?
gaelenfade 10 months ago
lol have you guys even watched THe Last Samurai
amuizzski 11 months ago
アメリカ人の夢ですよね。描写はかなり間違っています。
しかし、別の世界の物語と考えればかなり笑える。
Unrougemirage 11 months ago
すごいな。ラストサムライのストーリーっぽいな。でも外国人とその時代と絡めるとそういうストーリーしかできないのかもしれないな。
tyannkonabeumaize 1 year ago
one of the best books ever and this series does it perfectly.
CFBD9293 1 year ago
The movie was ahead of it's time in production and the realistic feel of the characters. Every man fell in love with Mariko, if ever a real woman existed, she was it. Never can get enough of this movie...
BrownEagle7 1 year ago
where can I download thie series?
Jose23635 1 year ago
In the series Blackthorne gets offended when Yôko Shimada asks if he wants to share pillow (i.e. have sex) with boys, and in reality Chamberlain (he who plays Blackthorne) is homosexual. Chamberlain even married a guy in '75. Look it up if you don't believe me.
whj28ahg 1 year ago
@whj28ahg
what has your comment to do with the book or movie? . I think its their privat thing, what sexual preferences the actors have.
Wolfffm1 1 year ago
@Wolfffm1 Grow up will you?
whj28ahg 1 year ago
@whj28ahg what a load of shite!
He married in Japan and in England and sent his will to his new wife..
LordGeorgeRodney 11 months ago
Oh sorry I thought you meant William Adams,,,
LOL!!1
LordGeorgeRodney 11 months ago
В России в 90-х этот сериал показывали по первому каналу по выходным. Мне он очень нравился и эта мелодия просто врезалась в мою память!
SlavaKron 1 year ago
" now you've had it Englese".......
irish89055 1 year ago
i bought the book for .99, is noble house better? im more interested in modern times but i dunno if shogun has any good parts since i read part of noble house and liked it
firax456 1 year ago
I rather make seppuku then watching THE MOVIE
stealthll 1 year ago
@stealthll cant u spell u rather make seppuku lol dude u mean u'd rather commit seppuku
sheffguy29 11 months ago
maybe 2:02 also ^_^
BagofDeadChimps 1 year ago
1:52... cum face?
BagofDeadChimps 1 year ago
I love this film/serial.
pandzik 1 year ago
Interesting and informative movie. I found it amusing that the Japanese considered the Europeans barbarians when they themselves were much more barbaric, what with their utter lack of respect for life. Savagery with rigid codes of conduct is still savagery.
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino Much more barbaric? You're kidding, right? The West was no different! Europe at this time was ruled by equally tyrannical monarchies and racked with religious wars. Japan never had Crusades, or the Inquisition. Disregard for human life?? At this same time, Europeans were committing genocide across the Americas! At least the Japanese bathed regularly. In some aspects (treatment of women for instance) Japan was more civilized, but both sides were pretty equally medieval.
GnarlyCranium 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
Yet with the book we see that savagery is naught but a relative concept. That is why the Europeans are barbarian savages.
PwnageSoul 1 year ago
@PwnageSoul This comes from the guys who regularly eat cats and dogs.
LulzBat 11 months ago
@LulzBat
GG I won
PwnageSoul 11 months ago
@LulzBat That's the Koreans. As far as I know, Japanese people aren't too fond of cats or dogs as anything other than pets. Could be wrong.
MrLunitunz 10 months ago
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@SiriusLumino wtf??? Japanese during those time live in a code of honer and respect (they warn their enemies first before attacking). Europeans during those time use their God, religion, and Bible as an excuse for slavery, death (witch hanging and burning), and molesting boys.
xXxPiousNinjaxXx 11 months ago 2
@SiriusLumino I agree. This movie changed the way I viewed medieval Japan. I've heard people - primarily video game addicts - speak with reverence about the samurai and the age they lived in, but I was surprised & shocked at how bloodthirsty & cruel the "honorable" samurai really were. Decapitating a guy just for looking at him wrong? Thinking nothing of killing an entire village on a mere whim? Not MY idea of high principles . . .
Remorselesslymine 11 months ago 2
@Remorselesslymine then you dont know high principles. this is entirely appropriate. think of the analogy of prison life. if a guy looks at you a certain way there you kill him because you know he is gonna kill you. its about RESPECT. Japanese society was the same. spend time in a foreign country and you either learn this or you suffer for it. what they did was not bloodthirsty...its the laws of animals nature. animals have these same rules. thats not primitive. its real.
bradford71us 8 months ago
@SiriusLumino And the way Japanese women were treated . . . okay, so European women didn't exactly have a cakewalk back then, but it wasn't permissible for European men to kill their wives for whatever reason they chose! Japanese men could do it, though, for any reason.
Remorselesslymine 11 months ago
@SiriusLumino Another barbaric thing was how the Japanese refused to save comrades who had "failed" at a task, but instead let them drown or expected them to commit ritual suicide if they were not in immediate danger of death. As for the whole ritual suicide thing . . . yeah, I'm not going to even get into that. Your statement "utter lack of respect for life" sums it all up.
Remorselesslymine 11 months ago
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@SiriusLumino The Europeans were barbarians. They went around the planet conquering everyone who wasn't white and forced them to turn Christian and then tried to exploit them for their wealth or turn them over to slavery. I for one am glad that the Japanese didn't stand for that shit. And this miniseries reflected that.
MrLunitunz 11 months ago 21
@MrLunitunz I am European, but I definitely agree with you. By the way - respect for Japan.
Stanislaw93 10 months ago
@MrLunitunz Do you hold the same low opinion of non-European conquerors like central Asian steppe tribes, the Arabs in the 7th century, the Ottoman Turks, the Aztecs, and numerous others? What about Japan's attempt to conquer Korea in the late 16th century? Was that barbaric and are you glad that the Koreans didn't stand for that crap? Conquerors and exploiters come from all parts of the planet: it's human nature to covet.
mkeogh76 10 months ago
@mkeogh76 The difference here is that none of those conquerors are still standing. The Europeans are. And the effects of their conquests, exploitation, and subjugation are still felt.
MrLunitunz 10 months ago
@MrLunitunz ww2 ? japanese imperialism the killed more then 20m people
sk8pn 10 months ago
@sk8pn The nukes more than made up for that. For all the crap the Americans gave the Japanese about their imperialism, at the end of the day they were just a bunch of hypocrites. They dropped nukes on them, which nobody deserved, not the Japanese, not anybody. And then for the next 70 years politically they go imposing themselves on all regions of the planet, claiming to be 'world police', whilst simultaneously doing backdoor dealings with the very people they should be dropping bombs on.
MrLunitunz 10 months ago
@MrLunitunz i know all about american imperialism and hypocrisy but i dont think america has killed as many civilians as the japanese empire did yet.america is at about 12 million.i was just saying japan has blood on their hands to
sk8pn 10 months ago
@sk8pn It's way more than that. While I do love America and and American culture, American government is where you will find some of the most horrendous and hypocritical people ever. America has killed many civilians, just look at Vietnam or Iraq, Iraq where we have video footage of American soldiers opening fire on a bunch of Iraqi civilians. Japan has blood on its hands, not as much as America, or Spain or Britain from whence America spawned.
MrLunitunz 10 months ago
@MrLunitunz yeah i said they killed 12 million civilians since ww2.when ww2 ended america was taken over by banks and the industrial military complex.
sk8pn 10 months ago
@MrLunitunz What was it called when the Japanese did the same to Manchuria, Korea, China, and the rest of Southeast Asia in the '20s and 30's? That's the Japanese "not standing for shit"? Perpetrating there own, more like it.
orinemma 10 months ago
@orinemma 20s and 30s compared to the Europeans more than 400 years of subjugation and forced conversion successful or otherwise. Face it, the Europeans were much worse. And the Europeans were allowed, after the war, to basically continue doing what they did, the Americans crippled the Japanese with a nuclear bomb, the only ones ever deployed, and then took away their army, leaving US Soldiers in there to basically rape and murder locals and generally cause trouble.
MrLunitunz 10 months ago
@MrLunitunz funny, cause ask korea and china why they hate Japan today.
because japan tried to destroy korean culture,history and language, and they had death marches, concentration camps and 100.000's of sex slaves, tell me im lying?
quezcatol 9 months ago
@quezcatol They don't necessarily hate Japan today.
As for your point, of course the Japanese did all of those things. I never denied that. But people here are talking as if it wasn't centuries ago that the Japanese people tried to do these things.They don't try and conquer other nations now, they can't. Whereas the western powers continue to do what they've been doing for centuries, may6be not in the same way but definitely to the same effect. That's definite hypocrisy there
MrLunitunz 9 months ago
@MrLunitunz I'm just saying that guys like SiriuysLumino is a nutcase. 8 years prior to when Shogun takes place "toranaga(really name was tokugawa) and other daiymos invaded Korea 1592-1598.
And we know how cruel the Japanese was to people who didnt convert to their religion+ worshiop their emperor, they cut off earsnibs and noses on warprisoners, so when japans ship only took them as long as korea and then they invaded korea, how can he talk bad about europe?
quezcatol 9 months ago
@quezcatol Date Masamune was however an open minded person who let christains into "Date land" north of Japan, today where fukishima was struck, his daughter even converted to christianity.
Data Masamune was a daiymo, just like Tokugawa (in the serie called Toranga) and liked europeans. He even sent a ship to Europe to meet the pope and convert to christianity.
Some of the japanese samurais in the 1600 who visited Europe, their descendets still live in Europe.
quezcatol 9 months ago
@quezcatol Not all Japanese people thought Europeans was "barbarians" Date Masamune, who was famous for being blind on one eye and a great warlord, with his black samurai armor, really liked Europeans.
He also liked their faith, so don't base Japanese view on europeans just on what happends in "shogun".
During the Sengoku period, there was tons of clans and lords(daiymos) who tried to sieze power, Tokugawa with his east coalition (Date Masamune included) did win, and let Tokugawa become Shogun!
quezcatol 9 months ago
@MrLunitunz Ah, but you are wrong to some extent... Although Europeans might be the mongrols that you claim them to be, most of the Europeans are not white.
If you judge Christians (which I assume you mean Europeans) for exploting foreign cultures prosperity and putting them in to slavery, then you must also look at what the rest of the world did.
In order to know anything for certain, we must first doubt everything we know.
HydratedProductions 10 months ago
@MrLunitunz Except when they ran into these Japanese killers!!
shitmandood 10 months ago
@MrLunitunz obs! that the japanese lord Tokugawa used portuse cannons and muskets when he sieged osaka Castle and becamse shogun.
And Blackthrone(adam williams) becamse very wealthy. Tokugawa didnt hate Europeans, but he was afraid of a spanish/protugese invasion. thats why he liked the english Adam Williams.
quezcatol 9 months ago
@MrLunitunz not as bad as the muslim ottoman empire, the longest running empire in history. evil to the core.
dontleademsomuch 9 months ago
@dontleademsomuch
Evil? If the Otttoman's were Spanish all the Orthodox Christian Greeks, Armenians as well as Jews would be exterminated. Maybe even Arabs since they are not Turkish.
PhilipineMan 9 months ago
@MrLunitunz You're talkin about the jesuits, and their sub-empire, great britain. Rome is foreign and not European, since Aeneas it has been the hq of the invasion, infiltration, and so on. The Dutch, true Europeans, were on kindly footin with Japan. So make a difference between Dutch and jesuit or roman. Any country led by a king was under command of rome.
howtoplanaparty 9 months ago
@MrLunitunz Also, anybody, who cusses, is one, of the "bad guys".
howtoplanaparty 9 months ago
@MrLunitunz
I see you are good educated in political correctnes not history. Europeans conquered other peoples because they had technical possibilities - guns, sea-going ships, navigation etc. Other peoples weren't better (read about african or american tribes wars). Modern racism exists since XIX c. Moreover, other peoples profited by achievements of European civilization - science, medicine, industry, agriculture, technology... Modern Japan is copy of Europe, isn't? :)
religiofob 9 months ago
@religiofob Modern Japan is a lot of stuff. I don't say that from a reverent or idealized perspective, but from reality. The country is a combination of a huge number of factors from its surge into westernization, its wartime actions and consequences, its persistent culture (beliefs, values, ethics, etc.) which like every culture is in constant flux, etc. s. Japan is often idealized (inaccurately), but to blanket it all under "a copy of Europe" is just as bad as those who idealize it.
Saavykaas 8 months ago
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pestprinz 9 months ago
@SiriusLumino
I have no clue why you would consider it barbaric that one would consider life and death as equal rather than something to be terrified of. It's actually a better way to live, if you ask me. The Europeans at the time were disgusting and believed that they needed to live in filth because they believe Christ had to. No one can accurately explain life or death with solid proof, so why not treat it as equal? It's logical to me...
simoneog2009 10 months ago
@SiriusLumino not at all, remember this took place in a time in which european countries set out to conquer the rest of the world, in the americas alone 60 to 80 mllion people were murdered (as related by friar bartolome de las casas in his "brief relation of the destruction of the indies" ), because they weren't human, later however after etracting and giving human characteristics to the natives, new born babies were killed with after being baptized of course, so their souls would go to heaven
tarahu 10 months ago
BUT THEY BATHED!
plavac22 10 months ago
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@SiriusLumino
LOL, as if the Europeans had any more respect for life? Perhaps for their own hides but not for that of the commoners and certainly not for foreigners in subjugated countries (America, Africa, India).
Ever heard of the 30 Years War, Spanish Inquisition, Napoleonic Wars?
The Death Penalty was only abolished in most of Europe in the late 20th century.
Most executions in the "civilized west" today are being carried out in the US of A.
AudieHolland 9 months ago
The film, which was cut from the series was even worse. I liked the series, but the book explains far more.
Wytch4 1 year ago
wtf is this?
melwabz 1 year ago
the book is two parts so damn long and has a stupid ending.. i thought he was gonna raise a navy then it ends.. WTF!
ragratt 1 year ago
@ragratt The book is about the way of living in Japan . . . and the life never ends. So: what ending will satisfy you? Think again, very hard. And, do you remember the "Gilligan's island"?
VibratorDefibrilator 1 year ago
me gusto la serie y poderla ver completa esta muy bien
cmurm 1 year ago
The book is much more violent.
ColonelAllan 1 year ago
Noo ...read the book if u really wanna know the story.. the movie is good.. sry for that ..but...you cannot just change the acts from the book or simplify them ..in a 90 min film....:)
pitilog 1 year ago
so the last samurai copied this movie
fdr100100 1 year ago
LoL Fujiko is supposed to be ugly in the book, but in the movie, shes the most charming woman.
rottar 1 year ago
Maybe some one should upload this movie on youtube
samaz2u 1 year ago
is it really that good! I know it was like the last show Karen Carpenter watched b4 she died the next morning.
valkour22 1 year ago
This was a most popular and captivating series when first aired IIRC.
RocketTCoyote 1 year ago
From where can I watch this mini-serie? Please help me
yakuzasama01 1 year ago
One thing that I really enjoyed that you can't get (or maybe I'm just not imaginative enough) is the scene where Toda Hirumastu (I think is suppose to Honda Tadakatsu) escorts Blackthorn into "Osaka." The music was awesome!
moviemakingdude 1 year ago
thumbs up if you got here cause u though it was chuck norris on the thumbnail
yksnimus 1 year ago
@yksnimus yea, i think your alone on that one
noudthe3rd 1 year ago
Book is awesome, James Clavell created one the best novels in history. Unfortunately, the film is not so good
wesolemiasteczko 1 year ago
@dernhelmrs miura Kii-nagashimaku Kihoku town Mie pref Japan.
yusw1514 1 year ago
he was blond in the book wasn´t he
retug100 1 year ago
I love the book and i have it in my own library+ i waced this as a seria couple times already....
dernhelmrs 1 year ago
I agree with most of the people. The movie doesn't even begin to live up to the book, although It's not that bad taken separately. I've read it twice thus far and I plan on reading it again some time. The book makes you want to never stop reading it. It gives just enough details to stir your imagination and not too much that it bores you. The action and the passion, the way Japanese people lived, their moral code and the way it changed an outsider, the ending of the story. Great! :love:
Edzz9 1 year ago
Compare the differnet John Blackthorne-Personifications and you will laugh. Here a great blonde man with skills and wit and on the other side: Richard Chamberlain.
11Kralle 1 year ago
oh yes, all the books are better than teh movies or mine-series.
0MonteClaros0 1 year ago
Hmmm...best book / miniseries? Either this or Lonesome Dove. Tough call.
colgjs 1 year ago
@colgjs definitely lonesome dove
markmeetsworld 1 year ago
very fancy
yassersami 1 year ago
I have read the book and seen the mini series. The book is good as a book, the series is good as a series. No need to rack down on the mini series for not being intellectual enough. You can't show everything in a novel's intrigue when you make it a series, but the series can show an imagery that a novel isn't capable of. Shogun the mini series did that to a superb degree.
Grasslander 1 year ago
I live in japanese town where this screenshot was done.This movie is a wonderful movie even if it sees now.
yusw1514 1 year ago 9
@yusw1514 and what town is that?
dernhelmrs 1 year ago
best miniserie ever
juglarlocogmail 1 year ago
Blackthorne was English but the ship he was piloting was Dutch not English.
halfricanscotty 1 year ago
la actuacion formidable de Richard Chamberlain, lo vi tambien en el conde montecristo, las minas del rey salomon
pecosism1 1 year ago
eww hes supposed to be 36 not 53 woww goodness
Marcsa1996 1 year ago
They should redo this series.
arkanox111 1 year ago
@arkanox111
I agree. After reading the book and watching this older TV series, it makes me wish that with the wonders of modern technology one could create a better representation. The city (Edo I think it was) where Blackthorn first meets Toranaga is home to millions of people in the book, in the movie it comes across as little more than a village.
Truth118 1 year ago
@Truth118
the city (where he meets Toranga) is Osaka
Marcsa1996 1 year ago
@arkanox111 Um, why? It's perfectly fine as it is. If they wanted to do something with James Clavell they should focus on Gai-Jin or Whirlwind, and get Pierce Brosnan to reprise his role as Dunross in the latter.
MrLunitunz 10 months ago
@arkanox111 Whirlwind would be good for the times now with everything going on with Iran.
arkanox111 8 months ago
i would love to see shogun remade into a new miniseries, perhaps 10 to 12 episodes to do the story justice
faraha87 1 year ago
i loved this mini series! it was pretty good for being so old.. but i cant even find it anymore online to watch.
naomileilanii 1 year ago
Can anyone laud this tvserie in spanich and with saund? please,
whith77 1 year ago
@whith77 What kind of sauce do you want with your spinach?
selatik1 1 year ago
ich Love my absolutly Favorite :D
Nagi877 1 year ago
Chuck Norris? : ]
simmy0987 1 year ago
@simmy0987 Nah. If it was, as soon as he stepped foot on shore the whole country would have bowed down to him and he'd be running the place.
McGruff5150 1 year ago
@McGruff5150 LMAO!!!!
simmy0987 1 year ago
does anyone have the dvd set to post?
wolfstev76 1 year ago
Absolute awesome!! I read the book twice, and I was pleasantly surprised that they kept a lot of the fine details in the TV series. However, it was very interesting for me to find out that Lord Toranaga's and Lord Ishido's physical looks are completely reversed in the TV series compared to the description found in the book. Did anybody else notice that?? All the actors did a superb job, and Chamberlain seems to have been the only actor at the time who fitted perfectly to play Blackthorne's role
elopezca 1 year ago
@elopezca Clavell wanted Sean Connery and in fact he was offered the role but turned it down. I think he would have been great but I agree that Chamberlain was just about perfect
clash5j 1 year ago
Toranaga is such a bad ass my favorite character ever people always over use the word epic these days but this book was truly epic.
Looterster 1 year ago
what a fucking joke this is.l. another white man hero bullshit. over exaggerated bullshit..
moelicious416 1 year ago
@moelicious416
The main character is british duh!
Wraith23 1 year ago
@moelicious416 I understand where you are coming from but the exploits are based on a real life person who happened to be white. What would u like James Clavell to do? Change his race? If anything the white character is shown in many ways to become more civilized after coming to Japan
clash5j 1 year ago
I agree with you beat cat , im brasilian and reading Shogun ( Xogum here) for the second time and the people say im crazy to read a book so long. I never watched the tv series. Can you tell me with all dialogues are in english? would b so good with they speak like the book, more portuguese, japanese and latim. Sorry for any gramatical mistakes.
pedrohunter2002 1 year ago
@pedrohunter2002 They actually use the style of the book. Japanese is spoken by the Japanese characters and english by the westerners. There is not a lot of portugese or spanish spoken except by Rodrigues. It is worth seeing. I have read the book to tatters I have read it so much. But if you do watch it. Get the whole series. As they have a condensed 2 and half hr version which isn't very good.
dwade1962eagle 1 year ago
loved the book and the series
IIGECKOII 1 year ago
I saw this series as a 13 year old and loved it. Recently saw it again on DVD and it still holds up. The 13 year old me had a major crush on the character Fujiko
clash5j 1 year ago
@clash5j Totally agree... Fujiko-san is absolutely gorgeous !!!
elopezca 1 year ago
@elopezca HA! Yes, even prettier then the actress who played Mariko. When I originally posted here it got me curious so I looked up the name of the actress who played Fujiko. She still acts and is quite a pretty older woman!
clash5j 1 year ago
@clash5j OH Really??? Do you have any links of Hiromi Senno?? I would definitely love to see her in other acting roles.
elopezca 1 year ago
@elopezca If you google her name you should find quite a few links that show what she has done since Shogun and some current pics of her. If you can get your hands on the Shogun DVD it has great behind the scenes stuff and interviews with most of the cast that are still alive. Unfortunatley, she is not did not take part though
clash5j 1 year ago
mariko-chan i love you... <3
xxemoboy90xx 1 year ago
Oh, I remember this series. Blackthorn was a mixture of diplomacy, idiocy and James-Bond-ish charm. A true man..
Chamberlain, on the other hand. Did i say man'?
louiev2000 1 year ago
James Clavell was Awesome!! His Books no one has matched his Storytelling!!
GirAddict 1 year ago
The book was AWESOME, TV series was OK, actresses chosen to play Mariko and Kiku - terrible.
G1ovanni 1 year ago
@G1ovanni The book was tremendous, all of Clavell's Asia saga is great!
kingseller1 1 year ago
I read Shogun only. So I cannot compare, but I want to read Tai-Pan as soon as I get some free time. Cheers.
G1ovanni 1 year ago
@G1ovanni ,
Do it! If you loved Shogun you will love Tai Pan and Nobel House! I still need to read King Rat and Gai Jin to complete the set.
kingseller1 1 year ago
where can i watch this online
bb53535 1 year ago
Yo ví esta serie cuando era un niño...me encantaba. La música era parte del encanto de Shogún, lamentablemente la tv publica dejó de presentar buenas miniseries como esta.
mozartgottlieb 1 year ago
van1980, your posts speak for themselves. You don't deserve to live. Kill yourself, preferably in the most painful way possible. You have nothing to say, and never will.
beatcat22 1 year ago
Does the hero call repeatedly sh*t, f*ck, and word ja*s like the British?
karimofugichou 1 year ago
They both stand alone as very good things. I would say the book is superior, but for people who have very little patience or imagination, the TV series might be better. We live in a world of stupid, lazy people. And of people who are treated like slaves by the corporations; these people NEED quick TV
beatcat22 2 years ago 18
@beatcat22 I'm sure you're the only one who loves you as much as you do. Your self-obsession and hate towards others is comical, sourced no doubt in your habitual ineptitude.
van1980 1 year ago
@beatcat22 u must think alot about ur self,i feel sorry for u
moecat1000 1 year ago