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  • even with a 5.4 the mustang still fails, Not a surprise though, Give it up ford fans, Unless you have a mustang 5.0 with some nitrous and h/c/i setup or a 2011 mustang...or 03/04 cobra, you fail...

  • I don't understand why he would do a 5.4 low comp. motor out of a lightning and take the blower off unless he's planning on throwin a turbo at it. The 4.6 in this car with h/c/i would make 335 hp easy. And the bottom end in the lightning motor is weak. If you're going to swap a 5.4 grab a nav. 4v n have some fun!

  • dont believe its a lightning motor at all unless that transam has alot more work done than listed. a geared 01 gt will hold with it a 5.4 lightning motor would demolish it.. another thing if he has the lightning motor where is the super charger kinda pointless without it.

  • if its a lightning motor than its running low compression. i think a 5.4 running regular comp. with h/c/i would easily walk a bolt on ls1

  • No replacement for displacement argument is subjective at best, in the end if it makes gobs of power, its a fun car to drive. Both OHV and OHC engines have their pos/negatives, theres a reason why GM keeps the OHV platform around, it's simpler and we all know that, but its physically smaller and lighter than the OHC (3v or 4v DOHC) competitors. Hell the LS3, even though much bigger in displacement than the new Coyote 5.0, is still physically smaller and lighter!

  • funny shit man

  • hmmmm?????? look up the dyno video of this car. They claim that on a 150 shot it made 453hp and 540lb.ft. , and this may be true, however.... when you pull up beside LS cars on the highway, I think you've just proven that "YOU"D BETTER GET TO SPRAYIN THAT MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!" LMAO!!!!!!!!!

  • i really wouldn't be surprised if that's a 5.4L too, u only gain some torque, nothing more

  • @praetorian2150 Where did you here that? 5.4L PI swaps are good for 260 to 280 at the wheels, if all it did create was torque than they would still be making 220 at the wheels.

  • so i think ford is doin a good job with their engines now if ford offered diferent engines like de ecoboost the 5,0 ,5.4 and bigger engines it would have even more more happy customerss

  • jaja people keep sayn why does ford makes small engines and chevy makes big engines but at the end of the day whos the one selling the most and i now alot of people are gona say o chevrolet is better then ford but nop cus ford with its litle engines is doin much better then any other company in the us jaja and now that i remember gm and chrysler went big on there engines and now they almost went bankrupt

  • NO REPLACEMENT FO DISPLACEMENT.Ford fucked up when they stopped offering big cube engines for OHC BULLSHIT.I will take a 351w or 460 anyday over this modern crap,sorry.5.4 still is only 330ci or so.pushrod engines all the way.

  • @KJBPSkipper push rod heads flow like shit. You can get stcok DOHC heads on a 03 cobra to flow over 330 CFM, even with aftermarket 2.02 inch 302 heads they only flow 280 CFM so you are forced with running a big block anyways if you want to compete. I have seen 408 with none street legal heads and carbs they produce around the same. The only bad thing is the npi and pi heads but DOHC and 3 vlave make up for it. Why the fuck do you think a 5.0 dohc makes more rwhp than a ls3? OHC bs is why.

  • @KJBPSkipper less drivetrain loss through ohc and how bout that new 5.0 motor if my memory serves me i believe thats a ohc mod motor that will fuck up a 6.2 L camarro that makes more hp

  • and that realy doesnt seem to be a 5.4...IMO

  • Ford should have had all the 2000+ Mustangs have optional 5.4L, cause sometimes the 4.6L isn't quite enough. Though it is for the SVT!!!!

  • lol GM guys and their "bolt ons" I bet that has a new set of heads and a hot cam for starters.

  • look... 5.4 2v's are not going to roll anyone. they dont make 330rwhp. period.

    270/350rwtq is good for an all out h/c/i 5.4 2v. the run 12.9's but its all in the 60'.

    now he is welcome to run my 5.4 3v any time. he will get a suprise. he'll need more than a lid/cai/tune.

  • The PI heads would be better, infact damn close to LS1 head flow if the after market provided a valve bigger than 45.5mm (roughly 1.7 inches) that is assuming a PI head can run larger valves, which is sad as the LS1 comes with bigger valves STOCK while they are bigger than the 45.5mm valves by .21 inches, that makes a huge difference in air flow. Also keep in mind a stock LS1 has a higher CR and bigger bore than a stock 5.4L...Now a proper DOHC 5.4L or 3valve 5.4L will eat a LS1 alive.

  • yup. I'm going to do the PI swap on my 99 cvpi and I'll not only get a broad range of after market cams to chose from but I will get higher compression as well. And there is a Canadian company that builds a block that with 5.4l crank will measure out to be 383 ci and thats a mod block;) I wish I had three grand to drop on a block though.....lol

  • I know this is a 5.4l...but any hoo...

    what I tell the GM boys when they talk shit about my beloved fords 4.6 I just tell em "ok what if my 281ci had 350 cubic inches?" yeah thats what I thought....lol they shut up after that. or the classic...."well ford has to supercharge there engine".....ITS SMALLER ASSHOLE! lol fun times...fun times.

  • there is no replacement for displacement. GM didnt build your engine smaller Frod did. bigger is better.

  • Sadly I know:( My AMC 401 bored out to 418 would stomp all over my 4.6 in my interceptor.. And the supercharger and turbo or even nitrous ford guys use is just a temporary fix that sorta stuck. There is however an after market block that combined with the 5.4 crank measures out to be 383 cubic inches. Now I ask myself if an after market company could do this then WHY CAN"T FORD! arg! Its is beyond fusterating fords engines are getting smaller and smaller while GM engine's are getting bigger..

  • yeah man i know how you feel, i just don't get it.

  • Oh well, at least the after market picked up where ford left off. its no big surprise though look at what for did with the panther platform, they left it to die off.... despite the huge following it has, its become quite a cult classic... same with GM and the Caprice...they did the same thing.

  • Easy, notice the shit the auto industry is in today, now ask yourself, why is GM in worse shape than Ford? Ford has right now a 6.2 SOHC V8 and it has already been fitted with DOHC heads. That would murder the LS3 and give the LS7 a run for it money with the DOHC heads, does the 2010 mustang have it? Nope, because they are up pooper creek without a paddle. That's why these big engines from Ford are a no show.

  • I disagree with you. The reasonm Ford runs a small displacement Mill is because of Gas Milage. Not to mention they make a 500hp 330 ci capable of pounding out 725 or better hp as far as I know that spanks any output that any LS engine can put out on a stock shortblock. Till the ZR1 LS6 engine . The LQ9 Had forged internals but it was not there performance engine. Ford makes those High hp engines but you need to pay for them. Nothings free anymore. Especially HP

  • True Ford can get big HP out of small cubes, the 5.0L coyote makes 400 HP, that number may be underrated but it made that HP at 1.0L less than the LS2 and the same HP, however it is cheaper and easier to get bigger HP out of bigger motors other wise Ford would just twin turbo the 4.0L V6. Nothing was ever free, not even HP.

  • Ford has always made an engine for the engine hobbyist. You get it and instantly want to mess with it and make it mean.

  • No joke, even the 3.8L V6 motor can be done up. This guy took the super charger off of a 03 cobra and put it on his split port V6!

  • I dont know about a block that is making it a 6.2 but I know of a combination in boring and the crank. Check out Pashel Performance they make a 6.1 liter crank for the 5.4. A 383 is a 6.2 liter engine combine there crank with about a .030 over bore and you will have your 383. without boring it you have a 378 ( about). the crank costs $3,000.

  • Thank you

    I couldn't think of the name of the company:)..lol I knew somebody had a stroker crank...I did hear of a bigger block though I'll have to bring it up again next time my crown vic group is talking about it. and I'll try and relay the info back *no, not donked big wheeled vics* lol!

  • quit repeating what your fag friend says, yes there is replacement for displacement. I walk 350's and 400's with a 281 everytime I race them if their not FI.

    stupid kid!!!

  • honestly man i dont think that gt was a 5.4 and if it was it wasnt touched cause i used to be a big chevy guy but i have an 02 with full bolts ons cams heads intakemani and 100 shot (only been used twice in two years lol) and i walk f-bodies all the time. its about power to weight, they have power and weight, i just have power

  • The only NA mustang that can touch a LS1 is the Mach 1. I get tired of 2 valve guys talking crap when they finally hit mid 13's. A full bolt on 2 valve will not keep up with a LS1 from a roll.

  • lol go do some research on that...you'll be pretty shocked

  • true, but remember the 5.7 is a tried and true engines. I have a 4.6, cammed and with a few bolt ons and i can't touch my buddies F bombs with bolt ons. The 350 is extremly restricted and i find a total set of bolt ons from pullies to exhaust will deliver a lot of hidden power. End of the day, they're american beasts and i'd be proud to own a camaro just as much as a mustang. Just feel the mustang is more me. Love the shape and the drop top is a touch for moi ;)

  • @StangGT5 Why do people like you come on youtube and state how you've walked a few losers and swear you race a good driver.... Second your comment makes no freaking sense... You say you walk F-bodies... but you said they have power to weight? If you have full bolt-ons that goes in your favor. I don't think you know anything about your car. 2v guys are ignorant... Unless you are in a 3v or 4v you aren't touching any F-bod even with full bolt ons.

  • @Texarmageddon actually you can put 394/410 to ground with a 5.4l 2v i have one in my 02 stang, all motor no baby bottle or squeeze. its all in how the engine is built. of course a 3v would rape 2vs with similar work done, as far as walking on f-bodies go well i walk on vettes nd 2011 5.0s. but id rather have a 5.4l 4v fuck 3vs nd 2vs

  • @Texarmageddon actually you can put 394/410 to ground with a 5.4l 2v i have one in my 02 stang, all motor no baby bottle or squeeze. its all in how the engine is built. of course a 3v would rape 2vs with similar work done, as far as walking on f-bodies go well i walk on vettes nd 2011 5.0s. but id rather have a 5.4l 4v fuck 3vs nd 2vs oh btw thats with 10.4:1 compression 93 pump gas

  • @1962Galaxie514ciMPFI The guy above is talking about the 4.6 2v.. 5.4 are good... but a 4.6 2v?... come on now...

  • @Texarmageddon yo i understand where your coming from but remember its about how much air nd fuel you put in the chambers of each cylinder along with compression, i run ported pi heads for street 4.6s nd 5.4s, look at a few 4.6l 2v articles in mustang mags look under 2v 4.6l with ported pi heads nd pi intake there making up to 410/390 at crank N/A nothing else, now put a stroker in it, yeah i see 298s rape 350s 351s 302s alot. thats nice power. just bolt ons 5.4s will hit 480 easily

  • The phrase "their is no replacement for displacement" is correct. I think you have it misunderstood. Say you take a 4 banger, V6, V8. Give them the same mods and see which one makes more power, now say a 281ci V8 and a 346ci. Give them the same exact mods, the 346ci motor will make more power.

  • No there is definitely not a replacement. That's why they make stroker kits. That's why Ford chose the 5.4 for the GT500 rather than the 4.6 liter. a 3.0 supra motor is maxed out around 1200hp, with a 3.5 stroker kit I've seen them hit 1600+. Bigger is better 99% of the time. All the technology in the world will not replace displacement. Two identical motors, one being about a liter larger than the other, mod for mod will always make more torque.

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  • Yeah I know what you mean, take for example the 302. Stoke it to a 347 and slap vic jr. heads on it and presto! GM's nightmare from the 1980s is back for another ass kicking. GM guys know their shit, Ford guys know their shit, I TRY to know everyones shit.

  • Hell yeah. This Saturday we're picking up a 79 2.3 Stang that has a new 2.3 and a new T5 swap and a ton of after market goodies for super cheap....sometime soon all of thats going into the little ugly Capri in my video;)......I cant wait.

  • why would anyone disagree with my comment? just cause its a little engine? fact is the little German Capri NOT A FOX has worse problems with traction then the fox so a little engine helps keep the weight were it should be. and fyi the 2.3 is capable of making massive power.

  • Fucking A. I have seen 900hp  bored and stroked SVO engines.

  • Yup, I saw one that did over 1,000! But the turbo was almost as big as the engine itself, Crazy!

  • Fucking A. I have seen several LSX motors well over 1000hp

  • Awsome, I have a 2.3L motor, Ford turboed those in the 80s. In 1985 the mustang SVO turbo 2.3L made same HP as the 5.0L.

  • Sweet find! Anytime we find a Thunderbird or an SVO 2.3 with the T-5 its always when we're broke!...lol

  • Pay to play!

  • Those engines are incredible. They do a ported and polished Volvo DOHC head swap and get in the area of 400hp. Great engine bro.

  • I have heard of that, I do not know of a dohc head swap motor that makes anything less than 400HP at the wheels. One guy did a swap on his mekur and spun his wheels on the dyno real bad, he got 535HP.

  • @kingcobra101z

    I try not to smell your shit LOL

  • mustang has a 5.4 lightning motor in it, not supercharged, has heads cams and intake, gears exhuast, tko tranny and a few other mods with a 150 shot, not spraying this run, the trans am is a auto with 3500 stall and lid, went 12.7 with just those mods

  • god damn, what does the stang run? cause that is shitty to lose with those mods

  • @sn95guy13 a lS1 auto with a lid and stall beat a built 5.4L?

    What happened here, total driver fail?

  • @testy462 built??? heads and cams isnt going to greatly change the 8.4:1 CR, its like kicking a chubby kid with down.

  • @NomadGT why would he have a 8.4:1 CR? Sure as heck isn't stock and you wouldn't set it up for that with a nitrous car like this one.

  • @testy462 I haven't seen anything about changing internals. If the mods that are listed is it on a lightning motor than that is the CR he would have. I would hope that he was with it enough to at least put in rods and pistons with a smaller dish. 

  • hmmm my 4.6L new ede does plenty of work on the LS and LTs...i think that T/A has a little more than "Bolt ons". though considering the 5.4L is a dud without any bottom end modification and without such benefits extraordinarily little from top end modification I guess I could see it.

  • man shutafuck up i hate it when you gm fags talk shit the ws6 off the dealer was way more expensive then a 4.6 gt, shit add the diffrence and use the diffrence on a gt then will see whos talking shit, i got respect for gm mopar and ford i love american but some of you just to proud and think the car you all own is the best theirs always going to be better and faster cars then you ,..

  • Thats a pretty sweet vid! Could we see more of the stang please? Send me a message! :)

  • Nevermind.... I feel dumb :)

  • You anywhere near Dallas. I have an 02 Mustang GT. I know Its just a tiny little shitstang, but I would LOVE to race your almighty BADASS WS6! I just HOPE that you will stoop low enough to race my weak little shit stang. How bout it? We can even video tape you KICKIN MY ASS for the whole world to see....you in?

  • guess he didnt want to mustangs r better

  • t/a is spraying. if this was motor to motor no way he would have pulled like that since they are almost the same hp.

  • its a motor from a ford f150 lightning, but with the blower removed, heads and cams, made 335 rwhp all motor. it had a bottle it sprayed after and walked hard, but didnt get the vid

  • well done. ive seen a guy on sn95forums that had the full kit, lightning 5.4 swap and blower witha 6 inch cowl and and the blower still stuck out of the hood. looked badass

  • It was probably a truck or navigator engine. Why do you call it an R2000? Its a 2000 Cobra R, 2000 being the year. I think the T/A had a little bit more done to it or the 5.4 didnt have as much done to it.

  • Navigator engines are 4v, this is a 2v I think.

  • it was most likely a navigator 5.4, theres not enought r2000 motors to go around. LS1s respond well to bolt ons so the race seems pretty valid.

  • should have sprayed it buddy

  • 5.4L? As in a Cobra R2000 motor? Shit thats expensive... but with H/C/I on an R2000 motor he would've pulled the TA. Stock R2000's ran high 12's and with that extra power from the H/C/I he would be running deep into the 11's. Hm. Sounds weird to me.

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