@MultiGreat1 yeah your right sorry my little brother gets on my account some times and he doesnt know much about boxing. and yes i think foreman does deserve that title of hardest hitter
On top of being a man born to fight and having the heaviest hands in the game,he had a really good chin. He ate Tommy Morrison left hooks,Moorer's hardest,Briggs quick powerful hands,Ron Lyle! If I could choose to be a HW fighter,I'd want to be George. About 6'4 or so and 225 in his prime with frightening power and a great chin! A machine built for killing.
okay i love Tyson and i love Foreman but hardest puncher goes to Max Bear he killed one guy in the ring and the other died of his injuries from the fight
they say shavers is the hardest hitter but I call bullshit on that. Shavers threw everthing he had at ron lyle and only knocked him down once. Foreman knocked lyle down twice and finished him.
Grandpa Foreman had the built of an olympic wrestler. Damn he could even either play linebacker or defensive line but he chose a much more brutal sport that he had to put his life on the line everytime he enters the ring. Even Ali himself admitted after the Thrilla in Manila fight that he plans to retire soon cuz "its too painful" n require so much work.
The Young fight was not the true George Foreman. George changed his style to more of a boxer-puncher under Gil Clancy and that was all wrong for George. He waited too long to get started and almost ko'd young in the 7th but by then it was too late and he ran out of gas due to conditioning. The Foreman of 73-74, the destroying Foreman who really went after his foes, cuts the ring and tracks down Young and ko's him inside 3 rounds.
@coxscorner i hear ya,twas a fluke of pugilism that jimmy won.hey thats part of the thrill of a clean,well matched fight,anything can happen,and it does.at the end of the day jimmy WAS a nightmare that night,he simply had that special skill set george COULD have had trouble with on any given night.it was what it was,almost 40 years later i still cant believe i made $100 on young beating foreman.i always knew he would have trouble with jimmy.jimmy couldnt punch and he was not in real shape.
@coxscorner I don't understand the Young fight, he did everything he could to give it away. Just stalking him with his gloves in his face not punching for no reason, wasting energy and losing rounds by tossing him into the ropes and flagrantly fouling. Near the end when he is supposedly near death tired you see him pacing in his corner, who paces the corner when they think they are literally about to die? Foreman lost his mind or wanted to lose.
I keep asking myself what Joe Frazier was thinking, when he repeatedly positioned himself in front of Foreman. What did he expect, seriously? To put pressure on him? Doesn't really work on a fighter who fights best under pressure.
whats quite a mazing is that a small, fat,slick,philly counterpuncher named jimmy young beat george handily and almost knocked him out.i won a bet on that fight[i was surprised myself].jimmy was hard to hit and punched on the slip.so while george was GREAT,he was human.jimmy put george in exile from embarassment.jimmy gave ali fits too.im not a total Young fan or anything but he had that slippery thing about him.
George Foreman's greatest quality which makes him unique from all the other freakish hardhitters, was not his freakish strength but his terrifying accuracy at which he delivered his ridiculously hard punches. That's why Ali curled up in his shell against Foreman until he got tired, because even Ali knew that despite Foreman's lack of speed, he would still get caught if he tried to evade him.
Just look at Foreman's footage again, but now pay attention to his accuracy.
Among heavyweight champions, there is no question that Foreman is the hardest hitter even up till today. But among heavyweights, it's unquestionably Shavers. But if they both fight? Foreman wins, hands down.
@expressivechild The knock on Shavers is that he lost most of his BIG fights. But still the hardest puncher of all time no doubt. Foreman is a close second in terms of power. Foreman though had a better one-two power combination. Shavers was more of a one punch knock out guy, Foreman had that one-two uppercut combination to put anyone to sleep.
power = speed OR strength tysons power came from his speed (which obviously dropped a little as he aged) foremans came from sheer strength hence he was putting big guys on their arse well into his 40s
@Dranziebooy its obvious u have no clue about boxing 3 of the guys u just named werent even heavyweights u name 1 person thats had as many 1st round knockouts as tyson! Untill then thats my story and im sticking to it
Shavers may have hit harder for onoe punch - the straight right, but Foreman hit harder with his left hook and right uppercut than Shavers with same punches. Plus George had a good jab, blocked punches, cut the ring and was just better than Shavers. Plus Shavers lost several time to other big punchers that he faced. Shavers jaw was glass whereas George was not only a massive hitter and freakishly strong but also had a world class chin.
Definately should make a movie about his life it as great a ali's story he rose bet frazier and norton fell with ali young and hoilyfied and trumpied againest Moorier
What about Earnie Shavers? 23 first round kos with a 76.6 ko%. Larry Holmes fought a prime Shavers and a prime Tyson and to this day says Shavers was the hardest puncher he's ever faced.
Foreman is the hardest puncher of all times . He is the strongest and most powerful of all HW champs .He was so powerful he won back the title 21 years 10 months and 14 days later something no other fighter in any weight division will ever do .Foreman has 46 knockouts in less then 3 rds which is more then any other HW champ .Simply invincible in a slugfest toe to toe .Even an old Foreman called out Tyson numerous times and each time he RAN away . Foreman without a doubt KING OF THE SUPERHEAVIES
@charleyfbaby we all can have are opinions george was a hard puncher yes however he lacked speed. Speed equals power tyson had more speed in his punch then any other heavyweight ive seen
@77turtlewax prime tyson almost lost to tony tucker and could not even ko bonecreusher smith. joe frazier had much better head movement; ali missed a lot of left jabs because frazier's head was always moving. i personally believe, tony tucker should have gotten the decision when he fought the already champion tyson. Earlier on, tyson could not ko james 'the quick' tillis who showed how one should fight tyson, which douglas applied to perfection, knocking out the "invincible" tyson for good.
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I say mike tyson hardest puncher of all times he had not only many more knockouts alot more were in the first round foreman is 2nd in my book hardest punchers
@77turtlewax Statistics are not everything but...Foreman had 68 career ko's to Tysons 44, so George actually had more knockouts. Tyson had more in the first round ko's 19 to 15, but looking at the first 2 rounds George had 33 to Tysons 28. Foreman also had a much higher ko percentage 83.9% to Tyson's 75.8%.
@77turtlewax you are out of your mind. Foreman hit way harder than tyson. The KO number is nothing because a person can twist their ankle it it will be considered as a KO on their record. Foreman punching power was scary even when he came back out of retirement.
@77turtlewax Another thing is that Tyson had very good technique and his knockouts were all very technically sound, text book punches that would be a hard hit from anybody, whereas Foreman is a freak because he knocks people out using swings with no leverage, glancing blows and jabs
@77turtlewax No, Foreman hit so much harder than Tyson. Tyson was strong but his game was really speed and accuracy. Holyfiled said that Foreman hit him harder than any fighter and Holyfiled fought Tyson twice and Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis multiple times. Punch for punch, even in his forties, Big George was the hardest hitting man around.
@77turtlewax Let me give u a quick lesson in this! tyson did not hit 1 punch and then 1 punch. he threw combos, so tyson could throw 4 punches in half a second (example). foreman was not a combo puncher. he probably had one punch in half a second.
so it took tyson a quick 4 punches to knock a guy down. but foreman used one more slow punch to get him down.
u have to look at the quality of a punch. not the quantity if ur trying to se who throws the hardest punch
@77turtlewax hahahaha tyson had 44 knockouts and george foreman had 68 knockouts if you dont believe me watch there wikepedia page and foreman had a much more powerfull punch
@bigmace1000 - I doubt so.. Holmes knows how to get out of trouble. Foreman's straight to the finish style won't work against him. Holmes may not be a power puncher but would outbox him patiently from the start, and win by decision. Holmes, as many don't notice had an iron chin. A perfect fight hand from Shavers couldn't knock him out! The only time he was KOed is against a prime Tyson who punish him continously for 4 rounds.. At the miling age of 38, lured out of retirement.
@expressivechild u crazy.. FOEMAN VS NOT LIKE SHAVES.. HE WA TALL BIG AND HE HAD SUM OF THE CRAZIYET UPPERCUT EVER SEEN!!! i say foeman win over holmes
@BunBRIP - Wrong. Power is not enough to beat Holmes. Holmes is a patient fighter who would tire you down and eventually his jabs will hurt you bad enough for the fight to be stopped or totally outpointed by him. Power is not everything... Holmes also had a good chin and much better stamina than Foreman. Foreman must win before the 8th round or else Holmes would jab him all the way till the fight ends and win the decision. Chances are, Foreman won't knock him out before then...
@expressivechild I agree, holmes during the Olympics elimination in 71 was kayoed by a nobody, inside three rounds. Was Holmes tough, against second rate competition, maybe, but against foreman? Here's another trivia: during a sparring session with joe frazier in 73, frazier actually broke holme's ribs with a left hook, forcing him to leave frazier's camp. Which might have led frazier, though wrongly, that he could also do the same to ali. frazier lost the 2nd fight to ali.
@expressivechild thats bullshit.nr 1 Foeman well kill holmes holmes had a good chin but.. holmes was not a really good fihgter.. i respeckt holmes.. but if holmes was fihgting agienst foeman AND NOT SHAVES IT WEL BE A TOTAL DIFRENT MATCH why?? shaves was the worst boxer ever he was a slugger hitting like a reatard.. he only had hes power.. thats it while foeman was going strihgt 2 u body and just stratet killing it round by round.. Holmes.. is not Ali.. Ali cut take it but holmes wel be hurt BAD
@expressivechild Foeman.was a killing machine.its just sad that.Foeman dident have good trainers 2 train him 2 a killer.And as cus said speed and combos Kill.yer the do BUT.. TYSON WELL NEVER WIN OVER A GUY LIKE FOEMAN Cus foeman was not going 2 give hes ground like all other boxers det 2 tyson look at ALL FOEMANS FIHGT he never gave his ground 4 no 1 he ran after them and just stratet hitting them.while tyson wel try 2 push foeman Away.and that wel not work cus foeman wel just use his uppercuts
@expressivechild And by the way.. FOEMAN WAS A KILLING MACHINE MAN VS MAN.. HE WAS A INSIDE FIHGTER IN MY Opnion the best inside fihgter even tyson speed wel not work Agienst foeman MAN VS MAN Cus foeman always went rihgt at the body and as soon Tyson wel be tied he wel go 4 u head WITH HIS UPPERCUTS DAMN FOEMAN WAS GREAT..
foreman is the greatest of al time he beat the hell out of everyone ali was scared of him and got lucky george did not get that one punch to knock him out man if you beat joe frazier like that than you are the best and then stop boxing for 10 years and than come back en than still beat the hell out of everyone amazing
Question for Cox's Corner I have noticed that Frazier was not vunerable to Ali's uppercut in 1971 but he was nailed by many of Foremans, is that because Ali and Foreman throw different uppercuts and Frazier is more vunerable to Foreman's or is that because Frazier bob and weave was so much better in 1971? Just want to know your opinion.
The fighters of yesteryear were gladiators and the new school fighters are athletes and technicians. Anyone remember the old fights that are available in only black and white when fighters would go more than 60 rounds?
Foreman seemed to have no defense at all ! It's ridiculous ! I wonder how he would have fared against a peak Tyson, who could defend & attack & who was the fastest heavyweight of all time ?
Boxing evolving? If it evolves anymore it will become extinct! Theres not 20 percent of the number of fighters in the 50's. There were more fighters in N.Y. city than there iare now in the whole country. What we have today is a bunch of pampered fat asses who look for a d.q. win every time thet get tapped on the beltline.
@mattaboyz yep which is why ali was so brilliant he got under georges skin and survived everything he threw at him then stepped off the ropes with speed he wasnt supposed to have anymore and decked him lol i very much doubt anybody else couldve done what ali did that night
George, in his first incarnation as heavyweight champ fashioned himself after Sonny Liston in and out of the ring his jab in particular was like Sonny's not quite as powerful though ,Sonny's jab was a sledgehammer!!! They say styles make fights, George would have been Tysons worst nightmare .
Ali said in his Autobiography "They had trained George (Foreman) too well, He was like a machine, I couldn't dance like a had intended to do he would cut off the ring too fast, He almost had me but i wouldn't let him see it".
You have got to give some credit to Foreman, His sparring partners said pryor to the fight in Zaire that Foreman would hit you and rip the sparring headgear apart. Thats some power. Ali would of been destoryed if he tried to go toe to toe with Foreman
It must have been very scary to face Foreman. It seems that every punch he threw was a potential knock out, hooks, jabs, body punches etc. Imagen if he had some footwork and body movement...
lennox lewis would have been knocked out easy by old foreman and killed by young foreman just take a look at bruno out jab lewis till he got hit. foreman really good left jab hard chin
@Belokki overweight?? Thats dumb. They trained down to that weight to go rounds 15 rounds, now they fight less rounds and bulk up more. Louis at 207 would be fighting over 220 today and he had blinding speed and crushing power that knocked out 260 pound men.
@coxscorner most of the time he fought smaller men than himself! He would have no chance aggainst a trained big men! He would be nowhere today! Times change! Todays athletes a groomed to be at peak human performance! He was great at his time! But would be swept away in today HV arenas...
@Belokki Thats just wrong, you dont know that you dont know. Were talking boxing not football or track and field. Boxers today fight less oftenand so lack experience of the old timers, and lack the skills obtained by this. Todays men are not better trained, that is a myth. Go watch my Joe Louis video and educate yourself. I can explain it to you but I cant understand it for you.
@coxscorner Very true, and what alot of younger fight fans don't get. Foreman actually proved it. After of 10 years out at an age when most boxers are long retired, he came back grossly overweight and ran up some 20 ko's before taking the champion the distance, then knocking out another champ to regain the title. Considered chinny in his heyday, he never once touched down against these bigger modern HWs. Judge how Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield or the Klitchkos would do in THEIR forties in the 1970s.
So you think that Wladimir Klitschko is stronger than Foreman :D ? Or Have you seen 48 yo Holyfield and David Haye (both natural cruserweights! ) easily defeating 310 pounds heavy Valuev??? Foreman came back and became a HW champion at age of 45. So what tells you he couldn`t be champion at 25? Boxing is not evolving,it`s DEVOLVING since the 80`
yea im prettty sure if he fought nowadays he would be at the same level as those "BIG MEN" hmmmmm arnt boxers suppose to fight in the same weight class? so in reality u dont know what jack shit
@Belokki right... that's why on his come-back he demolished most of your so-called highly trained up-to-date fighters, at the age of 44. he fought some today's greats like holyfield and it was more like, holyfield "survived" the fight although he beat foreman in the end. Your arguement is wrong. Joe louis, marciano, ali, foreman, frazier, are fighters unlike today's fighters, they are in a whole different league, there's no comparason, even the skilled ones, their hearts doesn't match the oldies
@Belokki HHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, anyone, and I mean ANYONE, that promotes todays HW era as anything but one of the worst/most pathetic in the history of sports does NOT know what they are talking about...Until very recently Evander Holyfield beat the snot out of Valuev, the biggest of the big...and he was what? 50? If Holyfield had one, and he should have, he would have been champ >.< Look at Max Baer...the hardest hitter ever next to Earnie Shavers possibly, he hit 260lbs Primo Carnera...
@Belokki ...A MUCH better boxer than most of the burger king bums today, he hit him so hard it lifted him off the canvas, both feet, and slammed him into the ropes with a single right uppercut...want to argue more about how important size is amongst heavyweights? 240lbs Lennox Lewis was the biggest of the big, he had a glass jaw and hit nowhere as hard as overrated 180lbs Rocky marciano, or 205-215lbs Joe Frazier, MUCH LESS 210lbs Earnie Shavers, the hardest hitter EVER O.o
@coxscorner I think u should look at the facts. The boxers Foreman fought were training to survive 15 rounds but Foreman trained to knock out everybody early. Thats why he got KO'd by Ali because he was too tired to get up and continue to fight.
@PabLooDess You are correct in that Foreman punched himself out I do not deny that. The heat and the loose ropes did help, but seriously how many fighters besides Ali survive the punches he took along the ropes? Not too many, need a casat iron chin and body and be able to slip and slide along ropes, anticipate punches and lean away like a 20's rope fighter. Cant think of another heavy besides Ali that could do that.
@PabLooDess - Well, Foreman is a destroyer but he would run out of gas if the fight prolongs. The key to winning him in a fight is to somehow survive the first 6 or 7 rounds with him.
Tell that to michael moorer, only the ali fight he punched and gassed himself out, probably due to his last 6 fights ending before round 2 was over...
@403766 - Well, it wouldn't work against an older Foreman who no longer suffers from nervous tensions that tire him down early. And the new Foreman was calm, and tactical and don't try to finish his opponent from the first bell.. He learned from the past. And I guess in preparation for fights, he focus on training his stamina more so than his brute strenght; he had enough power to take down anyone in the division....
Joe Louis was a great boxer. But he would have been crushed by Foremans power.
Foreman would have knocked Vitali out.
No body could go in and try and brawl with George, Look at what he did to Fraizer or Chuvalo.
The people that say Prime Tyson would destroy Prime Foreman are talking crap... Old Foreman fought a war with Young Holyfield also Tysons style is similar to Fraizers and look how Foreman dominated Fraizer.
Foreman would dominate the re-match with Ali and Ali knew it aswell.
@Belokki I love Vitali to death, and I like Lewis alot to, but their is no way in freaking hell I would pick either of them over Foreman, I would Pick Lewis over him by a very very slim margin after the comeback...Vitali doesn't stand a chance in hell against either prime nor refined...
Damn near every decent fighter Holmes faced went life and death with him. Weaver had him on the verge of a KO, Snipes had him careening around the ring like a drunk. Holmes lacked the power to keep Foreman off, he wasn't as tough as Ali and he wasn't a brilliant defensive cutie like Young. Foreman would KO him.
George was certainly the most physically powerful man in boxing history. Even today, with the size advantages and better nutrition, he still possessed a freakish sort of strength. Always vulnerable to fast boxers (with great chins) but there are never too many of those in the heavyweights.
@70gabino i agree 100%, young foreman never trained with weights, and he was 231 pounds against jimmy young, 226 pounds in amateur, if he would train with weights, he would be 245 pounds easy, he is the strongest boxer ever, i think he is harder puncher than earnie shavers also, ron lyle took the hits from shavers, foreman destroyed lyle by ko.
Foreman changed his style after the Ali loss. Further he showed up in San Juan for Young 2 days b4 the fight and didnt give himself time to get acclimated to the heat. Read my Foreman article on my web site it explains in more detail. Ali was not "way past his prime" in Zaire. He was 2 years younger than the Holyfield who beat Tyson. The Ali of 67 would have been forced to the ropes as well. As Ali said in his autobio he would burn out "taking 6 steps to his opponents 3."
Poor Kenny Norton... between, even Ali was scared of George in the first rounds in Manila. I saw a picture, where Foreman holds a calf on his shoulders.
The Foremann of 74 beats any version of Holmes. if Ali, who was faster and had better movement, could not escape the ropes how would Holmes? I seriously doubt he could repeat Ali's rope a dope.
Great video. The Foreman before and after the comeback is super inspiring. Change can really happen. You know its real when Foreman escorted Ali up on a stage to recieve an award. You cant fake that.
lol, prime tyson avoided old foreman, retard....
foreman was harder puncher,stronger,better chin,heavier,bigger.... cus damato knew it, foreman would win tyson like he did with frazier. and frazier had better chin and heart than tyson.
Foreman along with Joe Louis were the two hardest heavyweights to beat coming to them. Frazier had great inside skills but was destroyed by Foreman's massive uppercuts and hooks.
There was more to consider then just styles and defense..Tyson was scared of Foreman, even the older Foreman. Cus D' amato told Tyson is was Suicide fighting Foreman with the "Peek a boo" style. Tyson always remembered what Cus told him, coupled with the fact that Foreman was an animal, and probably the hardest puncher ever. Tyson knew he would get KO'd. Go to google and type in "Why we never saw Foreman Vs Tyson.
omg george foreman has strong punch but no guard and wasnt that fast
mike tyson had also fuckin strong punch strong enaugh to knock out any human and he was 180 cm height he was low skew and close range he was fast and had good dodges he would beat george foreman easily im pretty sure of that every boxing fun knows that... just look at all tyson skills and foreman skills
Frazier beats Tyson also . Frazier had much more heart , stamina , was a better pressure fighter was a better body puncher had a better left hook even a better chin only ko'ed really by Foreman the hardest puncher of all times . Frazier would KO Tyson late rds . Frazier had the guts to face prime Foreman twice . Prime Tyson did'nt have the guts to face old Foreman even once ? Foreman is a ANIMAL that destroys anyone who comes to him . Swarmers , inside fighters and all punchers would crumble
Only Ali could beat him on that night. Only Ali. I can't think of any other fighter who would have beaten Foreman on that night he fought Ali. The man was a beast. The swarmers would *ALL* get killed including Tyson, like Frazier.
What, no highlights of Axel Schultz beating on George? Or him fighting no one and getting his titles (painfully) slowly stripped, leading into an era where Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno, and Franz Botha could call themselves champions?
don't forget his bob and weavin head movement... his head movement would've been the key in the fight. Foreman is waay too slow, Tyson would had no problem to bob his way inside George and would bang his body. By the time George lunge out a shot, Tysons head already been gone by now. It's like Muhammad Ali said, you cant hit what you cant see. And I dont think Foreman would see Tyson's head that much.
frazier had much better head movement than tyson and look what happened to him.the problem with that matchup is foreman is too powerful and skilled as a fighter to be beaten by tyson
not at all. Look at the fight Foreman vs Frazier. Foreman was throwing punches and Frazier just tried to avoid them but from those missed punches some landed and that was it... Tyson would kill Foreman because he never just avoided he allways used opponents punches like an oppurtunity to strike.
frazier has the highest slip and duck rate among all heavyweights.tyson couldnt dodge punches the joe could.foreman was also a better calibre fighter.he was the oldest heavyweight champion
@heyou16 Although I'm a bigger fan of Foreman and Frazier than I am of Tyson, I think youre wrong there. Tyson had far better head movement (side-to-side) than Frazier, and was a different fighter altogether. Frazier relied on stamina where Tyson was an explosive fighter. I think Foreman-Tyson could easily go either way.
@heyou16 Tyson had the best head movement in boxing history or one of but definatly better than Joe frazier in everything to do with boxing. Tyson was much more powerfuland must faster and much more accurate better footwork the best head movement in heavyweight history.
@MultiGreat1 prime tyson almost lost to tony tucker and could not even ko bonecreusher smith. joe frazier had much better head movement; ali missed a lot of left jabs because frazier's head was always moving. i personally believe, tony tucker should have gotten the decision when he fought the already champion tyson. Earlier on, tyson could not ko james 'the quick' tillis who showed how one should fight tyson, which douglas applied to perfection, knocking out the "invincible" tyson for good.
@heyou16 I'm a big Frazier fan and agree that Foreman would beat Tyson, but Tyson still had far superior head movement. I mean thats just beyond question.
@heyou16 frazier didnt have the head movement like tyson ..plus his defense was horrible...tyson wasnt just power in the hook ...he had power in both hands....great head movement..and defense...he would beat foreman...foremans defense wasnt that great
@heyou16 Frazier did not have better head movement than Tyson,that`s just not true. Frazier had better stamina and probably 10x bigger heart than Tyson and that`s why I think he is a better boxer than Mike. And yes,Tyson would not survive first two rounds with Foreman,just like Frazier didn`t.
@ITheGMan23 tysons head would indeed be gone but then by foreman haha. Foreman was only ko'd by ali because he was tired. 68 ko's by foreman is more then all the fights of tyson combined together ;-) Tyson was ko'd several times and haven't won against great fighters other them an old larry holmes
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George Foreman was so strong that his amateurish punching style allways was forgiven :)
Dnamsak 1 day ago
@MultiGreat1 yeah your right sorry my little brother gets on my account some times and he doesnt know much about boxing. and yes i think foreman does deserve that title of hardest hitter
DthepopeP 1 month ago
What's the music called?
Pseudonym25 1 month ago
On top of being a man born to fight and having the heaviest hands in the game,he had a really good chin. He ate Tommy Morrison left hooks,Moorer's hardest,Briggs quick powerful hands,Ron Lyle! If I could choose to be a HW fighter,I'd want to be George. About 6'4 or so and 225 in his prime with frightening power and a great chin! A machine built for killing.
muclesmarinara 2 months ago
Amazing how he didn't let his devastating Zaire defeat at the hands of Ali stop him. 20 years later he reclaims the HW title!
NyyGyro 2 months ago
okay i love Tyson and i love Foreman but hardest puncher goes to Max Bear he killed one guy in the ring and the other died of his injuries from the fight
DthepopeP 3 months ago
@DthepopeP In those days they used worse quality gloves though. Baer was a huge puncher with his right hand but he didnt hit harder than Foreman.
muclesmarinara 2 months ago
@DthepopeP Baer is no where near the level of Foreman when it comes down to power.
MultiGreat1 1 month ago
they say shavers is the hardest hitter but I call bullshit on that. Shavers threw everthing he had at ron lyle and only knocked him down once. Foreman knocked lyle down twice and finished him.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
love his style, how he blocked punches with his hands, walking ahead like a mummy and throwing insane hooks and uppercuts.
His uppercut is one of the scariest punches I've seen.
Smileyfacedkiller 4 months ago
Grandpa Foreman had the built of an olympic wrestler. Damn he could even either play linebacker or defensive line but he chose a much more brutal sport that he had to put his life on the line everytime he enters the ring. Even Ali himself admitted after the Thrilla in Manila fight that he plans to retire soon cuz "its too painful" n require so much work.
destroyxeverything 5 months ago
The Young fight was not the true George Foreman. George changed his style to more of a boxer-puncher under Gil Clancy and that was all wrong for George. He waited too long to get started and almost ko'd young in the 7th but by then it was too late and he ran out of gas due to conditioning. The Foreman of 73-74, the destroying Foreman who really went after his foes, cuts the ring and tracks down Young and ko's him inside 3 rounds.
coxscorner 6 months ago 3
@coxscorner i hear ya,twas a fluke of pugilism that jimmy won.hey thats part of the thrill of a clean,well matched fight,anything can happen,and it does.at the end of the day jimmy WAS a nightmare that night,he simply had that special skill set george COULD have had trouble with on any given night.it was what it was,almost 40 years later i still cant believe i made $100 on young beating foreman.i always knew he would have trouble with jimmy.jimmy couldnt punch and he was not in real shape.
dempsey981 6 months ago
@coxscorner he almost had Young out of there early in the bout too!
ah93704 4 months ago
@coxscorner I don't understand the Young fight, he did everything he could to give it away. Just stalking him with his gloves in his face not punching for no reason, wasting energy and losing rounds by tossing him into the ropes and flagrantly fouling. Near the end when he is supposedly near death tired you see him pacing in his corner, who paces the corner when they think they are literally about to die? Foreman lost his mind or wanted to lose.
adrenacrumb 1 week ago
I keep asking myself what Joe Frazier was thinking, when he repeatedly positioned himself in front of Foreman. What did he expect, seriously? To put pressure on him? Doesn't really work on a fighter who fights best under pressure.
MrRoyalFatness 6 months ago
whats quite a mazing is that a small, fat,slick,philly counterpuncher named jimmy young beat george handily and almost knocked him out.i won a bet on that fight[i was surprised myself].jimmy was hard to hit and punched on the slip.so while george was GREAT,he was human.jimmy put george in exile from embarassment.jimmy gave ali fits too.im not a total Young fan or anything but he had that slippery thing about him.
dempsey981 6 months ago
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foreman one of the true greats of heavyweight boxing
1arc4 6 months ago
one of the true greats of heavyweight boxing
1arc4 6 months ago 2
George Foreman's greatest quality which makes him unique from all the other freakish hardhitters, was not his freakish strength but his terrifying accuracy at which he delivered his ridiculously hard punches. That's why Ali curled up in his shell against Foreman until he got tired, because even Ali knew that despite Foreman's lack of speed, he would still get caught if he tried to evade him.
Just look at Foreman's footage again, but now pay attention to his accuracy.
zinowor 7 months ago
being an Ali fan i actually enjoyed that lol!
abraarhabib786 7 months ago
Heavy Handed! George was a banger.
kcuf7 8 months ago
i thought foreman was the most devastating puncher of all time. mike tyson came in a close second. forget the overrated earnie shavers.
mattman747 9 months ago
Among heavyweight champions, there is no question that Foreman is the hardest hitter even up till today. But among heavyweights, it's unquestionably Shavers. But if they both fight? Foreman wins, hands down.
expressivechild 9 months ago
@expressivechild The knock on Shavers is that he lost most of his BIG fights. But still the hardest puncher of all time no doubt. Foreman is a close second in terms of power. Foreman though had a better one-two power combination. Shavers was more of a one punch knock out guy, Foreman had that one-two uppercut combination to put anyone to sleep.
vladiator100 8 months ago
George Foreman is the strongest heavyweight hitter of all time.
RONALD511 9 months ago
Big George was born to fight. His brutality in the ring doesn't reflect the person he is outside the ring.
Big George will forever be remembered as one of the greatest to lace the gloves.
olituts 10 months ago
George Foreman: Nothing short of inspirational
MrNonoz 11 months ago
6.00 is it even humanly possible to stand there and take that???
eatthisvr6 1 year ago
None of those boxers had tysons speed! newsflash Speed equals power
77turtlewax 1 year ago
@77turtlewax
power = speed OR strength tysons power came from his speed (which obviously dropped a little as he aged) foremans came from sheer strength hence he was putting big guys on their arse well into his 40s
eatthisvr6 1 year ago
@eatthisvr6 Thanks for that info helped alot cheers mate!
I always wanted to knocw the difference between a Puncher (speed) and a heavy Hitter (strength)
3876samf 11 months ago
@77turtlewax I agree, that's why prime tyson almost lost against tony tucker and couldn't even ko bonecrusher smith.
boybarurot1 1 month ago
@Dranziebooy its obvious u have no clue about boxing 3 of the guys u just named werent even heavyweights u name 1 person thats had as many 1st round knockouts as tyson! Untill then thats my story and im sticking to it
77turtlewax 1 year ago
What Foreman would have done to Mike was to corner him. Then swing those grills for hands at Tyson. It'd be over in 2 rounds.
Crussman499 1 year ago
Shavers may have hit harder for onoe punch - the straight right, but Foreman hit harder with his left hook and right uppercut than Shavers with same punches. Plus George had a good jab, blocked punches, cut the ring and was just better than Shavers. Plus Shavers lost several time to other big punchers that he faced. Shavers jaw was glass whereas George was not only a massive hitter and freakishly strong but also had a world class chin.
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twiskins 6 months ago
Definately should make a movie about his life it as great a ali's story he rose bet frazier and norton fell with ali young and hoilyfied and trumpied againest Moorier
MegaEvilempire 1 year ago
foreman hit like a truck!! but if u ask any fighter who fought both George Foreman and Earnie Shavers they will all tell you that Earnie hit harder
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
What about Earnie Shavers? 23 first round kos with a 76.6 ko%. Larry Holmes fought a prime Shavers and a prime Tyson and to this day says Shavers was the hardest puncher he's ever faced.
Maryjaneslave 1 year ago
Foreman is the hardest puncher of all times . He is the strongest and most powerful of all HW champs .He was so powerful he won back the title 21 years 10 months and 14 days later something no other fighter in any weight division will ever do .Foreman has 46 knockouts in less then 3 rds which is more then any other HW champ .Simply invincible in a slugfest toe to toe .Even an old Foreman called out Tyson numerous times and each time he RAN away . Foreman without a doubt KING OF THE SUPERHEAVIES
pfitzger2e1 1 year ago
Foreman was alot bigger tyson would b pound 4 pound hardest puncher lol
77turtlewax 1 year ago
I read the article online and i printed it out...real good.
muclesmarinara 1 year ago
@charleyfbaby we all can have are opinions george was a hard puncher yes however he lacked speed. Speed equals power tyson had more speed in his punch then any other heavyweight ive seen
77turtlewax 1 year ago
@77turtlewax ...and Foreman still hit harder and had a better chin and will always be the better champion.
Tyson is beloved but c'mon, he was never on Foreman's level.
muclesmarinara 1 year ago
@77turtlewax prime tyson almost lost to tony tucker and could not even ko bonecreusher smith. joe frazier had much better head movement; ali missed a lot of left jabs because frazier's head was always moving. i personally believe, tony tucker should have gotten the decision when he fought the already champion tyson. Earlier on, tyson could not ko james 'the quick' tillis who showed how one should fight tyson, which douglas applied to perfection, knocking out the "invincible" tyson for good.
boybarurot1 1 month ago
Not to shabby im a huge foreman fan dont get me wrong been nice to see them square off
77turtlewax 1 year ago
If foreman had speed with that power he'd been the hardest puncher to have ever walked gods green earth
77turtlewax 1 year ago
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I say mike tyson hardest puncher of all times he had not only many more knockouts alot more were in the first round foreman is 2nd in my book hardest punchers
77turtlewax 1 year ago
@77turtlewax Statistics are not everything but...Foreman had 68 career ko's to Tysons 44, so George actually had more knockouts. Tyson had more in the first round ko's 19 to 15, but looking at the first 2 rounds George had 33 to Tysons 28. Foreman also had a much higher ko percentage 83.9% to Tyson's 75.8%.
coxscorner 1 year ago 27
@coxscorner not to mention the great rivals of foreman, when tyson fougth a great one(lenox) he loss
TheSatanas666 8 months ago
@coxscorner I like the music, what is it called?
twiskins 6 months ago
@77turtlewax you are out of your mind. Foreman hit way harder than tyson. The KO number is nothing because a person can twist their ankle it it will be considered as a KO on their record. Foreman punching power was scary even when he came back out of retirement.
charleyfbaby 1 year ago
@77turtlewax Another thing is that Tyson had very good technique and his knockouts were all very technically sound, text book punches that would be a hard hit from anybody, whereas Foreman is a freak because he knocks people out using swings with no leverage, glancing blows and jabs
suckmypokecock 1 year ago
@77turtlewax No, Foreman hit so much harder than Tyson. Tyson was strong but his game was really speed and accuracy. Holyfiled said that Foreman hit him harder than any fighter and Holyfiled fought Tyson twice and Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis multiple times. Punch for punch, even in his forties, Big George was the hardest hitting man around.
muclesmarinara 1 year ago
@77turtlewax lol no way dude! tyson even admits that foreman and earnie hit way harder then he did
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
Shavers , Dempsey , Foreman , Langord , Liston , Marciano , Hearns , Ketchel - all this guys were better punchers than Tyson .
DranzieBooy 1 year ago
@77turtlewax foreman hit harder but tyson threw more punches and went out faster thats why he had so many 1 to 3 rounders
1cwa 11 months ago
@77turtlewax it was because of tysons speed but formen hit way harder than tyson
jorge43273 9 months ago
@77turtlewax Let me give u a quick lesson in this! tyson did not hit 1 punch and then 1 punch. he threw combos, so tyson could throw 4 punches in half a second (example). foreman was not a combo puncher. he probably had one punch in half a second.
so it took tyson a quick 4 punches to knock a guy down. but foreman used one more slow punch to get him down.
u have to look at the quality of a punch. not the quantity if ur trying to se who throws the hardest punch
dragonfurp 7 months ago
@77turtlewax hahahaha tyson had 44 knockouts and george foreman had 68 knockouts if you dont believe me watch there wikepedia page and foreman had a much more powerfull punch
MrCas1996 6 months ago 2
@77turtlewax Tyson is no where near the hardest puncher, maybe one of the best.
MultiGreat1 1 month ago
@77turtlewax Tyson hitting harder than foreman?? Not a chance, watch Tyson hit a heavy bag and watch foreman hit a heavy bag.
BiggieSmalls11111 4 days ago
I love his attitude.... that is why he wins- think about it
Mradamjohnboy 1 year ago
I think Foreman would have destroyed Larry Holmes...
bigmace1000 1 year ago
@bigmace1000 - I doubt so.. Holmes knows how to get out of trouble. Foreman's straight to the finish style won't work against him. Holmes may not be a power puncher but would outbox him patiently from the start, and win by decision. Holmes, as many don't notice had an iron chin. A perfect fight hand from Shavers couldn't knock him out! The only time he was KOed is against a prime Tyson who punish him continously for 4 rounds.. At the miling age of 38, lured out of retirement.
expressivechild 1 year ago
@expressivechild u crazy.. FOEMAN VS NOT LIKE SHAVES.. HE WA TALL BIG AND HE HAD SUM OF THE CRAZIYET UPPERCUT EVER SEEN!!! i say foeman win over holmes
BunBRIP 1 year ago
@BunBRIP - Wrong. Power is not enough to beat Holmes. Holmes is a patient fighter who would tire you down and eventually his jabs will hurt you bad enough for the fight to be stopped or totally outpointed by him. Power is not everything... Holmes also had a good chin and much better stamina than Foreman. Foreman must win before the 8th round or else Holmes would jab him all the way till the fight ends and win the decision. Chances are, Foreman won't knock him out before then...
expressivechild 1 year ago
@expressivechild I agree, holmes during the Olympics elimination in 71 was kayoed by a nobody, inside three rounds. Was Holmes tough, against second rate competition, maybe, but against foreman? Here's another trivia: during a sparring session with joe frazier in 73, frazier actually broke holme's ribs with a left hook, forcing him to leave frazier's camp. Which might have led frazier, though wrongly, that he could also do the same to ali. frazier lost the 2nd fight to ali.
boybarurot1 1 month ago
@BunBRIP - Sounds like you favor powerful fighters but unfortunately, you have no idea that power is not all that matters..
expressivechild 1 year ago
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danceswithwolvesful 1 year ago
@expressivechild
You are very right. Power is not enough. As Cus said speed and combnatios can kill.
danceswithwolvesful 1 year ago
@expressivechild thats bullshit.nr 1 Foeman well kill holmes holmes had a good chin but.. holmes was not a really good fihgter.. i respeckt holmes.. but if holmes was fihgting agienst foeman AND NOT SHAVES IT WEL BE A TOTAL DIFRENT MATCH why?? shaves was the worst boxer ever he was a slugger hitting like a reatard.. he only had hes power.. thats it while foeman was going strihgt 2 u body and just stratet killing it round by round.. Holmes.. is not Ali.. Ali cut take it but holmes wel be hurt BAD
BunBRIP 1 year ago
@expressivechild Foeman.was a killing machine.its just sad that.Foeman dident have good trainers 2 train him 2 a killer.And as cus said speed and combos Kill.yer the do BUT.. TYSON WELL NEVER WIN OVER A GUY LIKE FOEMAN Cus foeman was not going 2 give hes ground like all other boxers det 2 tyson look at ALL FOEMANS FIHGT he never gave his ground 4 no 1 he ran after them and just stratet hitting them.while tyson wel try 2 push foeman Away.and that wel not work cus foeman wel just use his uppercuts
BunBRIP 1 year ago
@expressivechild And by the way.. FOEMAN WAS A KILLING MACHINE MAN VS MAN.. HE WAS A INSIDE FIHGTER IN MY Opnion the best inside fihgter even tyson speed wel not work Agienst foeman MAN VS MAN Cus foeman always went rihgt at the body and as soon Tyson wel be tied he wel go 4 u head WITH HIS UPPERCUTS DAMN FOEMAN WAS GREAT..
BunBRIP 1 year ago
foreman is the greatest of al time he beat the hell out of everyone ali was scared of him and got lucky george did not get that one punch to knock him out man if you beat joe frazier like that than you are the best and then stop boxing for 10 years and than come back en than still beat the hell out of everyone amazing
dudlyo 1 year ago
Holyfield's chin saved him from Foreman's devastating power. And Foreman's chin himself saved him from Holyfield's combinations.
expressivechild 1 year ago
Am amazing tribute!
expressivechild 1 year ago
Norton's unorthodox techniques was no answer to two of the hardest hitters in heayvweight history - Shavers and Norton!
expressivechild 1 year ago
Question for Cox's Corner I have noticed that Frazier was not vunerable to Ali's uppercut in 1971 but he was nailed by many of Foremans, is that because Ali and Foreman throw different uppercuts and Frazier is more vunerable to Foreman's or is that because Frazier bob and weave was so much better in 1971? Just want to know your opinion.
supersquid98 1 year ago
@supersquid98 its because fraziers brain was rattled from every foreman punch and could not think and move as quickly
nwo4lifedta316 1 year ago
The fighters of yesteryear were gladiators and the new school fighters are athletes and technicians. Anyone remember the old fights that are available in only black and white when fighters would go more than 60 rounds?
damones1 1 year ago
foreman is a fuckin beast
SickAudi 1 year ago
GREAT video, Cox! Thanks for posting!
ScottInVa1760 1 year ago
Foreman seemed to have no defense at all ! It's ridiculous ! I wonder how he would have fared against a peak Tyson, who could defend & attack & who was the fastest heavyweight of all time ?
JSavic 1 year ago
@JSavic joe frazier was a small fighter who wanted to fight inside so see a clip and you'll know the outcome ;-)
1978utreg 1 year ago
Boxing evolving? If it evolves anymore it will become extinct! Theres not 20 percent of the number of fighters in the 50's. There were more fighters in N.Y. city than there iare now in the whole country. What we have today is a bunch of pampered fat asses who look for a d.q. win every time thet get tapped on the beltline.
1899sharkey 1 year ago
bald frazier looks stupid
ryan12629 1 year ago
nope i know tht foreman would of killed ali if he focused on boxing not killing li he let anger take over him thats what made him lose
mattaboyz 1 year ago
@mattaboyz yep which is why ali was so brilliant he got under georges skin and survived everything he threw at him then stepped off the ropes with speed he wasnt supposed to have anymore and decked him lol i very much doubt anybody else couldve done what ali did that night
eatthisvr6 1 year ago
George, in his first incarnation as heavyweight champ fashioned himself after Sonny Liston in and out of the ring his jab in particular was like Sonny's not quite as powerful though ,Sonny's jab was a sledgehammer!!! They say styles make fights, George would have been Tysons worst nightmare .
kevindlinc 1 year ago
thankyou for this , great edit
MrKellsy 1 year ago
Ali said in his Autobiography "They had trained George (Foreman) too well, He was like a machine, I couldn't dance like a had intended to do he would cut off the ring too fast, He almost had me but i wouldn't let him see it".
You have got to give some credit to Foreman, His sparring partners said pryor to the fight in Zaire that Foreman would hit you and rip the sparring headgear apart. Thats some power. Ali would of been destoryed if he tried to go toe to toe with Foreman
MrDazzyB 1 year ago
It must have been very scary to face Foreman. It seems that every punch he threw was a potential knock out, hooks, jabs, body punches etc. Imagen if he had some footwork and body movement...
perfuzz 1 year ago
George is just simply FUCKING AWESOME, look at 5:58 at how he lifts a prime Holyfield off his feet like a child!!
samuraispirit88 1 year ago
felt bad for norton and frazier lol
ali got foreman good though
iTzeXile13 1 year ago
I love this video.
HonorGuard117 1 year ago
it's funny to think that Gerry Cooney actually hit HARDER than foreman when they fought, but he has no chin and Foreman is made of steel
johannsebastienbach 1 year ago
68 kos wow..
riuota 2 years ago
lennox lewis would have been knocked out easy by old foreman and killed by young foreman just take a look at bruno out jab lewis till he got hit. foreman really good left jab hard chin
billymad 2 years ago
@Belokki overweight?? Thats dumb. They trained down to that weight to go rounds 15 rounds, now they fight less rounds and bulk up more. Louis at 207 would be fighting over 220 today and he had blinding speed and crushing power that knocked out 260 pound men.
coxscorner 2 years ago 2
@coxscorner most of the time he fought smaller men than himself! He would have no chance aggainst a trained big men! He would be nowhere today! Times change! Todays athletes a groomed to be at peak human performance! He was great at his time! But would be swept away in today HV arenas...
Belokki 2 years ago
@Belokki Thats just wrong, you dont know that you dont know. Were talking boxing not football or track and field. Boxers today fight less oftenand so lack experience of the old timers, and lack the skills obtained by this. Todays men are not better trained, that is a myth. Go watch my Joe Louis video and educate yourself. I can explain it to you but I cant understand it for you.
coxscorner 2 years ago 12
@coxscorner
i agree foreman didnt win the olympics for nothin
he was athletic n fast for his size, one of the best punchers also
iTzeXile13 1 year ago
@coxscorner Very true, and what alot of younger fight fans don't get. Foreman actually proved it. After of 10 years out at an age when most boxers are long retired, he came back grossly overweight and ran up some 20 ko's before taking the champion the distance, then knocking out another champ to regain the title. Considered chinny in his heyday, he never once touched down against these bigger modern HWs. Judge how Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield or the Klitchkos would do in THEIR forties in the 1970s.
madmax8903 1 year ago
So you think that Wladimir Klitschko is stronger than Foreman :D ? Or Have you seen 48 yo Holyfield and David Haye (both natural cruserweights! ) easily defeating 310 pounds heavy Valuev??? Foreman came back and became a HW champion at age of 45. So what tells you he couldn`t be champion at 25? Boxing is not evolving,it`s DEVOLVING since the 80`
vuk911 1 year ago
@Belokki
yea im prettty sure if he fought nowadays he would be at the same level as those "BIG MEN" hmmmmm arnt boxers suppose to fight in the same weight class? so in reality u dont know what jack shit
izzyidl1 1 year ago
@Belokki right... that's why on his come-back he demolished most of your so-called highly trained up-to-date fighters, at the age of 44. he fought some today's greats like holyfield and it was more like, holyfield "survived" the fight although he beat foreman in the end. Your arguement is wrong. Joe louis, marciano, ali, foreman, frazier, are fighters unlike today's fighters, they are in a whole different league, there's no comparason, even the skilled ones, their hearts doesn't match the oldies
madmarv7 1 year ago
@Belokki HHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, anyone, and I mean ANYONE, that promotes todays HW era as anything but one of the worst/most pathetic in the history of sports does NOT know what they are talking about...Until very recently Evander Holyfield beat the snot out of Valuev, the biggest of the big...and he was what? 50? If Holyfield had one, and he should have, he would have been champ >.< Look at Max Baer...the hardest hitter ever next to Earnie Shavers possibly, he hit 260lbs Primo Carnera...
XionComrade 1 year ago
@Belokki ...A MUCH better boxer than most of the burger king bums today, he hit him so hard it lifted him off the canvas, both feet, and slammed him into the ropes with a single right uppercut...want to argue more about how important size is amongst heavyweights? 240lbs Lennox Lewis was the biggest of the big, he had a glass jaw and hit nowhere as hard as overrated 180lbs Rocky marciano, or 205-215lbs Joe Frazier, MUCH LESS 210lbs Earnie Shavers, the hardest hitter EVER O.o
XionComrade 1 year ago
@coxscorner I think u should look at the facts. The boxers Foreman fought were training to survive 15 rounds but Foreman trained to knock out everybody early. Thats why he got KO'd by Ali because he was too tired to get up and continue to fight.
PabLooDess 1 year ago
@PabLooDess You are correct in that Foreman punched himself out I do not deny that. The heat and the loose ropes did help, but seriously how many fighters besides Ali survive the punches he took along the ropes? Not too many, need a casat iron chin and body and be able to slip and slide along ropes, anticipate punches and lean away like a 20's rope fighter. Cant think of another heavy besides Ali that could do that.
coxscorner 1 year ago
@coxscorner Guys like Folyd Maywheater can hang in the robes but there aren't to many, certainly not in the heavyweights.
bcibibcibcpCB 1 year ago
@PabLooDess - Well, Foreman is a destroyer but he would run out of gas if the fight prolongs. The key to winning him in a fight is to somehow survive the first 6 or 7 rounds with him.
expressivechild 1 year ago
@expressivechild
Tell that to michael moorer, only the ali fight he punched and gassed himself out, probably due to his last 6 fights ending before round 2 was over...
403766 1 year ago
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expressivechild 1 year ago
@403766 - Well, it wouldn't work against an older Foreman who no longer suffers from nervous tensions that tire him down early. And the new Foreman was calm, and tactical and don't try to finish his opponent from the first bell.. He learned from the past. And I guess in preparation for fights, he focus on training his stamina more so than his brute strenght; he had enough power to take down anyone in the division....
expressivechild 1 year ago
he looks like terminator, always with the same slow rythm, but always destroying everybody ^^
jejevson 2 years ago
this man is a legend and the ones crazy enough to think they could of taken him on also deserve props but only a legend can beat a legend
658carlos 2 years ago
Joe Louis was a great boxer. But he would have been crushed by Foremans power.
Foreman would have knocked Vitali out.
No body could go in and try and brawl with George, Look at what he did to Fraizer or Chuvalo.
The people that say Prime Tyson would destroy Prime Foreman are talking crap... Old Foreman fought a war with Young Holyfield also Tysons style is similar to Fraizers and look how Foreman dominated Fraizer.
Foreman would dominate the re-match with Ali and Ali knew it aswell.
MrDazzyB 2 years ago
@monegarand If Ali tried to dance away from Foreman he would lose, he needed the rope-a-dope, Foreman would just cut off the ring to fast otherwise.
XionComrade 2 years ago
@Belokki I love Vitali to death, and I like Lewis alot to, but their is no way in freaking hell I would pick either of them over Foreman, I would Pick Lewis over him by a very very slim margin after the comeback...Vitali doesn't stand a chance in hell against either prime nor refined...
XionComrade 2 years ago
Damn near every decent fighter Holmes faced went life and death with him. Weaver had him on the verge of a KO, Snipes had him careening around the ring like a drunk. Holmes lacked the power to keep Foreman off, he wasn't as tough as Ali and he wasn't a brilliant defensive cutie like Young. Foreman would KO him.
FlaviusConstantius 2 years ago
The Heavyweights that could have beaten him : I'd say Jack Johnson and perhaps Joe Louis.
Alltimeboxing 2 years ago
George was certainly the most physically powerful man in boxing history. Even today, with the size advantages and better nutrition, he still possessed a freakish sort of strength. Always vulnerable to fast boxers (with great chins) but there are never too many of those in the heavyweights.
70gabino 2 years ago 8
@70gabino Vitali! 25+ pound heavier, taller, better reach advantage, better skill, deceptively fast, and they dont call him ironchin for nothing...
Belokki 2 years ago
@70gabino i agree 100%, young foreman never trained with weights, and he was 231 pounds against jimmy young, 226 pounds in amateur, if he would train with weights, he would be 245 pounds easy, he is the strongest boxer ever, i think he is harder puncher than earnie shavers also, ron lyle took the hits from shavers, foreman destroyed lyle by ko.
jimmynablee 1 year ago
Foreman changed his style after the Ali loss. Further he showed up in San Juan for Young 2 days b4 the fight and didnt give himself time to get acclimated to the heat. Read my Foreman article on my web site it explains in more detail. Ali was not "way past his prime" in Zaire. He was 2 years younger than the Holyfield who beat Tyson. The Ali of 67 would have been forced to the ropes as well. As Ali said in his autobio he would burn out "taking 6 steps to his opponents 3."
coxscorner 2 years ago
Poor Kenny Norton... between, even Ali was scared of George in the first rounds in Manila. I saw a picture, where Foreman holds a calf on his shoulders.
Lopezprieto 2 years ago
The Foremann of 74 beats any version of Holmes. if Ali, who was faster and had better movement, could not escape the ropes how would Holmes? I seriously doubt he could repeat Ali's rope a dope.
coxscorner 2 years ago
Great video. The Foreman before and after the comeback is super inspiring. Change can really happen. You know its real when Foreman escorted Ali up on a stage to recieve an award. You cant fake that.
dexterjankaren 2 years ago 4
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i think tyson would have beat george foreman but thats just my opinion
tyson is the greatest
patro209pl 2 years ago
Thats cos u watched Mike...Hes YOUR era...
If u saw ALL Foremans fights ud feel different...
76-8 68 knockouts....Thats a devastating record and the BEST ko record EVER in boxing btw...
Plus the only Great fighter Tyson ever beat was Holmes...everyone else was a bitch or beat him
prinsovdahkniss 2 years ago 4
actually george foreman's last fight was with shannon briggs(which i thought he won).his final boxing record was 76-5 with 68 kos
saladooq 2 years ago
lol, prime tyson avoided old foreman, retard....
foreman was harder puncher,stronger,better chin,heavier,bigger.... cus damato knew it, foreman would win tyson like he did with frazier. and frazier had better chin and heart than tyson.
consta4891 2 years ago
Agreed.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago
and george foreman was lifting people off the canvas with his upercuts, what you saw on rocky foreman was really doing
basketball10125 2 years ago 2
Foreman along with Joe Louis were the two hardest heavyweights to beat coming to them. Frazier had great inside skills but was destroyed by Foreman's massive uppercuts and hooks.
coxscorner 2 years ago
There was more to consider then just styles and defense..Tyson was scared of Foreman, even the older Foreman. Cus D' amato told Tyson is was Suicide fighting Foreman with the "Peek a boo" style. Tyson always remembered what Cus told him, coupled with the fact that Foreman was an animal, and probably the hardest puncher ever. Tyson knew he would get KO'd. Go to google and type in "Why we never saw Foreman Vs Tyson.
toploader00 2 years ago 5
omg george foreman has strong punch but no guard and wasnt that fast
mike tyson had also fuckin strong punch strong enaugh to knock out any human and he was 180 cm height he was low skew and close range he was fast and had good dodges he would beat george foreman easily im pretty sure of that every boxing fun knows that... just look at all tyson skills and foreman skills
patro209pl 2 years ago
yea but foreman was much stronger than mike, much much stronger
basketball10125 2 years ago
Frazier beats Tyson also . Frazier had much more heart , stamina , was a better pressure fighter was a better body puncher had a better left hook even a better chin only ko'ed really by Foreman the hardest puncher of all times . Frazier would KO Tyson late rds . Frazier had the guts to face prime Foreman twice . Prime Tyson did'nt have the guts to face old Foreman even once ? Foreman is a ANIMAL that destroys anyone who comes to him . Swarmers , inside fighters and all punchers would crumble
pfitzger2e1 2 years ago 5
nice talk, but he didnt destroy Ali
diularsing123 2 years ago
Only Ali could beat him on that night. Only Ali. I can't think of any other fighter who would have beaten Foreman on that night he fought Ali. The man was a beast. The swarmers would *ALL* get killed including Tyson, like Frazier.
babystinky 2 years ago 2
Frazier wasn't a swarmer, he was a pressure fighter
ITheGMan23 2 years ago
epic, foreman is just a beast
pureknightxs 2 years ago
Foreman said that Ron Lyle was the hardest puncher he has ever been in the ring with
glutamin111 2 years ago
Shame that Tyson didnt want to face Foreman. I would`ve loved to see that fight
AnalBastard1 2 years ago
What, no highlights of Axel Schultz beating on George? Or him fighting no one and getting his titles (painfully) slowly stripped, leading into an era where Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno, and Franz Botha could call themselves champions?
bluemonkjd 2 years ago
who ?
ITheGMan23 2 years ago
tyson was a great fighter but because of his style he wouldnt last very long maybe 2-3 round maybe 5th
heyou16 2 years ago
what's wrong with his style ?
ITheGMan23 2 years ago
anyone that lunges forward and has an agressive style like tyson did would have lost.almost nobody could stand toe to toe with foreman and win
heyou16 2 years ago 2
don't forget his bob and weavin head movement... his head movement would've been the key in the fight. Foreman is waay too slow, Tyson would had no problem to bob his way inside George and would bang his body. By the time George lunge out a shot, Tysons head already been gone by now. It's like Muhammad Ali said, you cant hit what you cant see. And I dont think Foreman would see Tyson's head that much.
ITheGMan23 2 years ago
frazier had much better head movement than tyson and look what happened to him.the problem with that matchup is foreman is too powerful and skilled as a fighter to be beaten by tyson
heyou16 2 years ago 16
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not at all. Look at the fight Foreman vs Frazier. Foreman was throwing punches and Frazier just tried to avoid them but from those missed punches some landed and that was it... Tyson would kill Foreman because he never just avoided he allways used opponents punches like an oppurtunity to strike.
Lacqueras 2 years ago
frazier has the highest slip and duck rate among all heavyweights.tyson couldnt dodge punches the joe could.foreman was also a better calibre fighter.he was the oldest heavyweight champion
heyou16 2 years ago 2
@heyou16 Although I'm a bigger fan of Foreman and Frazier than I am of Tyson, I think youre wrong there. Tyson had far better head movement (side-to-side) than Frazier, and was a different fighter altogether. Frazier relied on stamina where Tyson was an explosive fighter. I think Foreman-Tyson could easily go either way.
apestaartje321 1 year ago
@heyou16 Tyson had the best head movement in boxing history or one of but definatly better than Joe frazier in everything to do with boxing. Tyson was much more powerfuland must faster and much more accurate better footwork the best head movement in heavyweight history.
MultiGreat1 1 year ago
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@MultiGreat1 prime tyson almost lost to tony tucker and could not even ko bonecreusher smith. joe frazier had much better head movement; ali missed a lot of left jabs because frazier's head was always moving. i personally believe, tony tucker should have gotten the decision when he fought the already champion tyson. Earlier on, tyson could not ko james 'the quick' tillis who showed how one should fight tyson, which douglas applied to perfection, knocking out the "invincible" tyson for good.
boybarurot1 1 month ago
@heyou16 lol no he didnt
FIGHTFANNERD3 1 year ago
@heyou16 I'm a big Frazier fan and agree that Foreman would beat Tyson, but Tyson still had far superior head movement. I mean thats just beyond question.
apestaartje321 1 year ago
@heyou16 frazier didnt have the head movement like tyson ..plus his defense was horrible...tyson wasnt just power in the hook ...he had power in both hands....great head movement..and defense...he would beat foreman...foremans defense wasnt that great
tappmoney18 1 year ago
@tappmoney18 Tyson's own trainer Cus D'Amato would disagree with you. Cus outright told young Tyson that his style would be devoured by Foreman
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@heyou16 Frazier did not have better head movement than Tyson,that`s just not true. Frazier had better stamina and probably 10x bigger heart than Tyson and that`s why I think he is a better boxer than Mike. And yes,Tyson would not survive first two rounds with Foreman,just like Frazier didn`t.
vuk911 1 year ago
@vuk911 yeah to say tyson had better HM is tupid, his lasted for 3 rounds where frazier was bobing and weaving the whol fight.
messier991102 9 months ago
@ITheGMan23 tysons head would indeed be gone but then by foreman haha. Foreman was only ko'd by ali because he was tired. 68 ko's by foreman is more then all the fights of tyson combined together ;-) Tyson was ko'd several times and haven't won against great fighters other them an old larry holmes
1978utreg 1 year ago