I always felt so damn sorry for the moderators at any debates Hitchens was involved in. I attended one debate at my college (in the heart of Mississippi's bible belt) and the audience just had to find someone to hate along with Hitchens. It was awkward to say the least.
She says that human beings are rubbish, yet the pope is human, oh wait sorry my bad he is a massive twat thats way he has no defects. And is she being serious the world would be poorer (well no it wouldent) hopeless and a worse place to live (why dont catholic people ever remember the crusades that just shows how people control religion not some floating spaghetti monster)
in regards to the AW agruemnt on sexual abuse of children shes says (paraphrasing) ...ya there was mistakes made by the church & then goes on to blame the rest of society in equal measure..what she fails to mention is that the higher archy of the church gave sanctuary to abusers, moved them from parish to parish to allow priests to serially abuse children over many years...this has been the case in ireland and i beleive in other countries.
I like how she talks about the catholic church's contributions to the world, forgetting that Christian and catholic are not mutually exclusive. Proper famine relief charities like Oxfam are all protestant organisations. The Catholics just like to sit in their own little country surrounded by gold and servents (Popey Been-a-DICK XVI) or sit in their nice house in a quiet street that they claimed on expenses (Widdicombe).
At 2:34 you might enjoy seeing yet another example of the incredible benefits of religion as a whole scroll by the bottom of the screen. Ah...faith is a wonderful thing.
i agree with stephen, i honestly think the catholic church and a majority of christians i know, have become corrupted, and they are acting against god's word.
but that's my humble opinion, i am one person of over 7 billion, in which at least half would disagree with me.
I think I ma genuinely in love with Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry. How people can still be so ignorant when there are people who can tell them facts about how the church hurts more then it helps, I don't understand.
Pro tip: When she talks. Turn on closed captions and transcribe audio. Then turn the volume down. I promise you a delightful reading with more substance than the audio!
@black00dice She was basically talking about how much better the world is when you force poor people into the worst possible conditions to satisfy your own morals (e.g. a rampant HIV transmission rate and young mothers with too many mouths to feed), they are so much better off because they have *hope* for salvation in an afterlife that may or may not actually ever happen. You didn't miss much.
Look at hitchens taking notes the entire time she's speaking, that's how you formulate an argument and that's how he uses there own words against them whenever he speaks publicly.
I love how she doesn't even go near the topic of homosexuality. So you're admitting that you don't like gay people being alive? I never thought much of you before Mrs Widdecombe, I certainly don't think any more of you now.
I almost thought we could get threw this without talking about abuse of children and condoms????????????????? i thought for sure we could continue to sweep under the carpet...why cant we? why can't forget about all the rapes and deaths and abuses and theivery and just live on hope and faith, hope and faith, hope and faith -you are getting very sleepy, hope and faith, hope and faith
Right. So basically she's saying the Catholic Church is like a dictatorship. I hear dictators also do nice things for their subjects sometimes... Then turn around and order mass murders. Nicely done, you stupid old trout.
the most hilarious clip i have ever seen is when she goes after them both after this debate on the ten commandments
its on liveleak not youtube - its been taken off for some reason
google liveleak anne widdecombe stephen fry christopher hitchens - she looks like she's going to rip his guts out and CH looks drunk and SF is sooo funny - i just watch it for a laugh
that IS an awesome clip... if you can get past her terrible speech impediment :) Hitch just walks out - it's obvious he doesn't want to be in her presence any longer than is absolutely neccesary - and I can't blame him.
Thank fuck the full 9 minutes wasn't just that stupid Anne bitch babbling on about how Catholicism is good when it clearly isn't, it can do good things, but it outweighs such things with the bad...GO ON FRY!
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
condoms are the point you fucking moron, why when you're explaining why the catholic church is bad wouldn't you bring op one of the worst things they've done, causing millions of horrific deaths?
@IhasSammich Yes, believers ignore the parts of the Bible they don't like. Speaks well of their moral fiber, but not of their consistency. The belief is still disgusting, even if you ignore parts of it.
Why would you think that condoms wouldn't be raised. Widdicombe is a strangely demonised Catholic. She can't encompass humanist values. Fry is nice, I can't be. I loathe the Catholic Church and loathe all religious ideologies.
I loathe the Catholics and will never change my stance because they are as evil as they have always been and are as venal and wanting all gold and property that they can hold or steal for themselves.
Forget child abuse. That's just what they do to their OWN kids. It's teaching their kids that killing heretics, killing people who just don't agree with your Idea, is good that does not belong in civilized society. Crusades to you = genocide to others. The inquisitions are just a logical conclusion of their "doctrine" and WILL happen again (since it is part and parcel OF catholicism); it's "in-group/outgroup" teaching. And it's "charity" is OTHER PEOPLEs MONEY. lol
THANK YOU STEPHEN FRY!!!!!!!!!!! As a Christian myself, I disagree with his views, but at least he didn't use personal attacks and low blows like Chris Hitchens uses. I listened to him to as a person who has his own POV, and challenges us to look at the body of Christ and how at times we have abused our power. Thank you, Mr. Fry for your honesty, and your respectful challenging of our beliefs.
@katarnlunney you have no true power, only $ taken from many against their will, sick behind-the-scenes politicking, yr power is s/a turning u.s. into an untenable grossly usurious Welfare State, (via forcing Hart-Cellar, opening S. border to your many degraded ex-slaves (95% of all slave trade =catholic), filling them with hate speech via catholic-created Liberation Theology, and the resulting dead people killed by such imported people harbored in your churches on the u.s. tax dollar.
@westchesterny "converts" bragged about R as he says, poor, compromised, raised in magical thinking, primed to be bought off when hungry and you go near them with food (as if to bribe them). "conversion" should be about THEOLOGY, not the money you collect. In u.s. all catholics are used for politics only. And your pope has an embassy. Shouldn't this make the catholics foreign nationals? R they guilty of treason? destroying sep of church/state? U use people, not save them.
"BLAH BLAH BLAH...." SHUT UP, SIT DOWN and let Stephen Fry show you how to debate with SUBSTANCE, you pompous, self-righteous, hypocritical screechtrumpet.
LOL. i doubt it. if the person i'm debating is an intellectually honest, open-minded person, sure... but if they are anything like Anne Widdicombe, I'd probably lose it. - not lose the debate, per se, but i'd lose my temper with them. I'd be terrible in a debate. but thanks for the kudos.
Religion is the great hijacker, especially of sex. Stephen Fry hit the nail on the head. I think I echo the thoughts of all sane people (especially atheists), in that it is the right of every consenting adult to have sex with another consenting adult no matter what their sexual orientation. Of course it is wise to have safe sex, eg: condoms, especially with a partner you have not known for very long.
it always seemed to me that most religous people spent more time in church than actually out in the public doing good and helping people. I always found that funny, a community of people going once a week to reaffirm their beliefs in helping others, but not actually helping them, just praying and bobbing their heads. 90% time spent in worship and less than 10% spent actually exercising those beliefs which they seem to hold so true.
I think Stephan Fry hits the nail right on the head with the church and sex. I mean just to give a tiny tiny example. I went to a catholic high school. Do you think catholic school girls are chaste? Yeah what comes to mind when you think of catholic school girls? It may be a stereotype but in this case, there's a kernel, or should I say, several kernels of truth to it.
Dear Anne Widdecombe- I think you are really sexy. Would you like to make out with me? This offer stands anytime, any day or night. We could discuss biblical topics over tea, then strip down and not use condoms or anything, nor utilize any other position than missionary, if that suits you, my dear. Let me know if you'd like to hook up. p.s.-i will be going down on you, honeysuckle chickadee.
All social welfare organisations play a vital roll.
However just like other organisations they do it with other peoples money, however the cathloic church keeps plenty for themselves, the 5th richest corporation in the world, while preaching poverty. They do though, put conditions on charity which other decent moral groups do not.
I don't see Fry even taking notes. I mean why should he, his enormous brain probably soaks up and sorts out all that cultist bullshit in less than a second. Comparing his brain to the size of Kent is a clear insult to the size of his brain.
Ann Widdecombe brushing off the condom issue like it was a bit of nonsense is infuriating. She wants to talk about the Catholic church exporting money to Africa to save lives; how many people died because of the popes statement on this issue?
@redeemerslove That's ok then. As long as there's more normal folk than priests fucking kids. I wonder how many of the abusers in society are believers!
A genuine debate would not pit two articulate Oxbridge men against a stammering recent convert and a cleric whose first language is not English and whose talent is preaching not debating. A real apologist or theologian would have gutted the other side. So it was a setup, even the audience was maybe a setup. Anyone must intelligently discern these things before forming any opinion. Unless of course, you're watching the video because you hate the church already and just seeking affirmation.
1.17 - Steven fry is in pain!!! Widdecombe's voice is horrific and Fry's face shows it!! Thank God she is Catholic and not on our side, else I'd take up Catholicism just to spite her!!
@thinsulite The catholic church is currently worth over $600 billion (U.S.), not including the value of property it owns around the world, and it is currently being investigated for international money laundering. So not only does it make vast amounts of money on the backs of the poor, it then uses that money in immoral practices.
The fact that Anne said around 2:10 that the world would be poorer without The Catholic Church. From my knowledge The Catholic Church doesn't really make much money, if any at all. But even if it did then it would be a fairly crooked religion if it made money from people.
@thinsulite what do you mean the vatican "doesnt really make much money"... are you being sarcastic or joking? I mean, that cesspool is the richest institution in the world, they have stock everywhere, do a google search of catholic wealth. have you been to the vatican (Ihave)? it reeks of money and power. remember these guys have been looting for about 1700 years.
@wirikuta14 In all fairness these gold goblets don't come cheap. Just think how bad life would be for the starving of the world if they didn't have the comfort of knowing the vatican is full of gold. I'm not sure they'd get through the day!
@actionbastardaway How is that hypocritical? How is it a contradiction to cite donations to charity when the money was donated to you in the first place? It may not be so great to donate money to charity when the money was donated to you in the first place, but it's not a contradiction. Get your terms right.
Do you have any evidence suggesting how much money they donate is donated to them in the first place? Do you have any evidence for money spent on the Pope/Vatican?
@SLAMTproductions Granted. But you need material objects to run an organisation, and for better or worse, the grander such objects are, the more prolific the organisation tends to be. Besides at least the wealth of the Vatican preserves historical treasures, much like wonderful museums throughout London. But it still doesn't change the fact that they make rather a significant, positive difference to poor and ill people throughout the world.
Open your eyes to that fact, one needn't be Catholic
@SLAMTproductions Do you have any personal experience with Catholic aid programmes, or anything of that nature? I'm afraid you really can't make any kind of assessment unless you have personal experience, and certainly not on bias and hearsay, which is what you're doing. Having said that there's no denying providing aid can be exploitative, but it's no where near as exploitative as you suggest. I've experienced it first hand and seen the CC help people with no intention of converting them
@SLAMTproductions Good call lol. I've never said anything about what I believe. As it happens I'm an agnostic, I don't believe in the god preached of by the Catholic Church. All I'm saying is "fair go". I'm asking whether you have any experience of Catholic aid programmes, or any stats, because if you don't then it's hearsay upon which you're basing a horribly biased opinion. I happen to have experienced their good work first hand, ones Ive known don't care what religion you are, just wanna help
old people , drug addicts , the poor the weakest people in society to pray on
in any fact its not like if you proved to me even a little that it was a good thing there are much worse things they do ... the constant rape of children , hatred of gays , protecting pedophiles , wars , killing anyone with a different religious review
@SLAMTproductions "Wars, killing anyone with a different religious review". The Catholic Church, like the CofE etc, do nothing of the sort, and haven't for at least the past 2, 3 hundred years. "Constant rape of children", I mean c'mon, the Church itself doesn't do that, it's only a very, very small % of clergy, along with other religion's clergy, like CofE, etc. The only thing you're remotely right about is the protection of paedophiles, which is abhorrent
@SLAMTproductions I didn't defend paedophiles at all. I said the the Church's protection of paedophiles is abhorrent. But I did however say that you description of the entire Catholic Church as child rapists is about as misguided and inaccurate as Hitler's view on race. I'm telling you you're biased because everything you said (apart from blaming the Church for shielding paedophiles) is inaccurate, and based on hearsay, not statistics or experience
@SLAMTproductions What an absolutely piss poor response. The level of bias and hearsay you seem to rely on astounds me. For starters even if there is a religious undertone to aidwork, it's still better than no a id, and should still be commended, not criticised. Think about the millions provided with food, shelter and education (like maths, English, chemistry, not just religion). And I know firsthand that aid is often given with intentions of goodwill not exploitation. Prove to me otherwise...
Vatican city has enough gold to build the whole of Africa into a working continent, all they would lose is the gold lining around their buildings. But instead they hoard wealth and trickle money out in return for subjects. Disgusting!
@SLAMTproductions what garbage. I never said that doing something that you haven't specified is justified because worse is done. And yup, religion is dying in developed countries (UK, Western Eur, Aus, parts of USA, Can) but if you actually had any experience of the developing world you'll find that's not the case there at all. Just like you have no experience of Catholic Aid programmes and yet you're making any number of unsubstantiated claims.
@SLAMTproductions But that's completely untrue. They don't just "give them a god to pray to", you're basing that assumption on your own bias not reason or experience, they do genuinely help them, do some research. I mean you've said "sacrificing 8 year old girls as witches", even if you meant that as a joke that shows you know bugger all about the beliefs and dynamics of the Catholic Church
@SLAMTproductions You do have a point that giving aid while also trying to convert is not particularly honourable, Hitchens has said a lot about that too. But I maintain that giving millions education, food, water and shelter, even if you're trying to convert them, does more good than bad. But I've known the Catholic Church to help people with no intention of conversion. The BBC, various historians reckon the Church saved 800 000 Jewish lives during WW2, I doubt conversion were on their mindthen
Stephen Fry has a valid point about Sir/St Thomas More. But he did precisely the same thing as Elizabeth I, who had Catholics tortured and executed. I mean, if Stephen Fry personally believes Thomas More was so evil, then he is obliged to feel precisely the same way about Elizabeth I. But I bet, along with most of England, don't and instead admire her greatly
call them old fashioned values , but guess what ? They WORK ! Pearlbanger you have yet to come up with a cogent intelligent reason for your opinion that doesnt entail stooping to insults and then I may start to take you seriously . until then, please dont bother .
Furthermore, u cant really expect 2 know what grace is except when u r on the receiving end of it yrself through the exercise of faith normally accompanied by some small act of charity or selflessness.So I am a dumbass and a bigot am I because I am a stickler for morally correct values which embrace compassion, self-sacrifice, charity , humility etc? that makes me an object worthy of yr scorn does it ?
th catholic church doesnt condemn homos - it condemns the practising of th homosexual lifestyle, whch in my view is destructive. I've wondered whether th root cause of Stephen's manic depression lies in the psychospiritual malaise of his sexuality - his conscience wrestles with some tendencies in him that are anti-natural and wrong - homoerotic desires. I have also observed many instances such as ppl with ME who have sinned sexually& ther has so far yet 2 b a convincing xplanation 4 its Xistenz.
@drummerkid1993 well u will have 2 show me where that quote comes from but i believe that its either a misquote or a deliberate distortion from overzealous catholic bashers. Be very careful where you get yr sources b4 u start spreading misinfo about the church. That is not my understanding of the catholics view on homosexuals at all. Homos are still the children of God. They have the ability 2b saved every bit as much as anyone else. It depends on what they do though. we all have our challenges,
@spiritualwarrior1100 So what if a priest abuses a choir boy? I suppose that's a test from God. He'll say a few prayers and God will forgive him? Consenting adults are doomed to hell though right? Your head's not just for resting hats on my friend, there's an amazingly evolved brain in there. Feel free to use it!
@spiritualwarrior1100 Shut the fuck up, you know nothing about gay people, that much is obvious from your ridiculous comment about Stephen Fry 'wrestling' with his sexuality. It's not his sexuality he has to wrestle with it's homophobic morons like you who are DESPERATE to continue the status quo of religion ruling peoples lives. You're a sheep and a fucking disgusting repulsive homophobic sheep at that. Just fuck off.
@rolybling On the contrary, I have been best mates with a gay , worked on a music project with a mostly gay cast and crew and even converted a few gays in my time. As well as overcome certain homoerotic desires of my own when I realised they were wrong. I will certainly not STFU. u claim that I am a sheep but the hatred and abusiveness of yr tone says far more about u than it does about me. I am not a homophobe. I do not condemn people 4 what they are into, I just dont agree with the lifestyle.
@spiritualwarrior1100 A gay? Because that's how they like to be known. I'm good friends with a gay, a black and a chinese. Doesn't quite sound right does it?
@rolybling and lest you are in any doubt, when i say i converted them, I mean I cured them of their gayness and made them straight ! Yes, believe it or not, it is something you can be cured of... and I know they key to it.
@rolybling Contrary 2 what u might like 2 believe, I do not blindly accept whatever I am told by authority or religion.I have always questioned everything and seen both sides of the argument. believe me, I dont agree with everything the church has decreed over the ages.The church does not condemn homosexuals, but is against homosexuality because it is not creative, and Xtians believe that God put us here because he had loving creative intentions for us and for our species.
@rolybling Much as I may like Stephen Fry, it is obvious he hasnt fully accepted himself. He is not a liberated man. His speech presents a very distorted one-sided view of what catholicism is all about. Homosexuality however is a complex issue, and yes it is possible in some cases to re-orientate someone who has been having homosexual desires towards full heterosexuality. I have seen this happen in practise .
@spiritualwarrior1100 No, you haven't seen that happen. You've seen people suppress their feelings because of the stigma placed on them by your disgusting belief.
@wspol624 I consider myself a devout catholic and I dont think Stephen is an evil person at all. I think of him as a national treasure, and yet I think he is misguided if he thinks the Catholic church is not a force for good on the whole. He quite obviously has a chip on his shoulder because of his sexual persuasion, and here he misrepresents the Church's view on homosexuals. It does not condemn them, it just condemns the practising of what it considers to not be a natural or creative act.
@wspol624 Its a shame because you non-believers miss out on the wider joys of practising sexual abstinence. Speaking as one who was fairly promiscuous throughout most of my 20s before reaffirming my Catholic faith, I actually found my decision to practise sexual abstinence within the context of pre-marital relations incredibly liberating. With it came a certain grace and self-control that was previously unknown to me. But most atheists probably dont understand the concept of grace , sadly .
@spiritualwarrior1100 dude you're a bigot and a dumbass. dont band all atheists together saying we're all not graceful. that would be like me saying all catholics are peados... well i sppose its ok then!
@pearlbanger With the greatest of respect, yr reply shows that u dont understand the concept of grace at all. It has little to do with being graceful but is all about receiving rewards and blessings in the form of unexpected gifts - whether that be relief from some stressful situation, or even recognition for some small act of charity or selflessness for example. But by my attempting to define the concept of grace in such a short space to the unconverted really doesnt do the matter much justice.
@pearlbanger Furthermore, u cant really expect 2 know what grace is except when u r on the receiving end of it yrself through the exercise of faith normally accompanied by some small act of charity or selflessness.So I am a dumbass and a bigot am I because I am a stickler for morally correct values which embrace compassion, self-sacrifice, charity , humility etc? that makes me an object worthy of yr scorn does it ?
I wonder what business Christopher Hitchens has going after anyone for authoring a bloody chapter in history, considering that he was one of the chief public intellectuals to lend their support for the wholly unnecessary Iraq War.
Incidentally, during the lead up to the Iraq War the Pope "prayed for peace."
The Church was on the right side of that event and Hitchens was not.
I always felt so damn sorry for the moderators at any debates Hitchens was involved in. I attended one debate at my college (in the heart of Mississippi's bible belt) and the audience just had to find someone to hate along with Hitchens. It was awkward to say the least.
Gigantotherium 1 week ago
Lol this is the most British sounding woman I've ever heard. It's like listening to one of the Monty Python guys in drag
zzyzx0788 2 weeks ago
you big twat haha
simpson1783 3 weeks ago
Hello Matthew
simpson1783 3 weeks ago
She says that human beings are rubbish, yet the pope is human, oh wait sorry my bad he is a massive twat thats way he has no defects. And is she being serious the world would be poorer (well no it wouldent) hopeless and a worse place to live (why dont catholic people ever remember the crusades that just shows how people control religion not some floating spaghetti monster)
simpson1783 3 weeks ago
Wanna hear a joke?
The Vatican.
ThePhantom135 3 weeks ago
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TBlenx1995 4 weeks ago in playlist Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry vs. The Catholic Church
in regards to the AW agruemnt on sexual abuse of children shes says (paraphrasing) ...ya there was mistakes made by the church & then goes on to blame the rest of society in equal measure..what she fails to mention is that the higher archy of the church gave sanctuary to abusers, moved them from parish to parish to allow priests to serially abuse children over many years...this has been the case in ireland and i beleive in other countries.
234dragoman 4 weeks ago
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
NYCBG 1 month ago
Hope? Fuck that woman has deluded herself...
7Rorschach7 1 month ago
I like how she talks about the catholic church's contributions to the world, forgetting that Christian and catholic are not mutually exclusive. Proper famine relief charities like Oxfam are all protestant organisations. The Catholics just like to sit in their own little country surrounded by gold and servents (Popey Been-a-DICK XVI) or sit in their nice house in a quiet street that they claimed on expenses (Widdicombe).
Reincarnhate925 1 month ago
0:37
REALLLY??!
gartnavel89 1 month ago
At 2:34 you might enjoy seeing yet another example of the incredible benefits of religion as a whole scroll by the bottom of the screen. Ah...faith is a wonderful thing.
willaspencer12 1 month ago
@willaspencer12 Omg nice timing...
MissKenapy 3 weeks ago
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Ha ha ha, Monty Python came to my mind as well!
clumpft 1 month ago
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Ha ha ha, Monty Python came to my mind as well!
clumpft 1 month ago
Ha ha ha, Monty Python came to my mind as well!!
clumpft 1 month ago
Stephen Fry you are a beautiful man.
Roonie41 1 month ago
i agree with stephen, i honestly think the catholic church and a majority of christians i know, have become corrupted, and they are acting against god's word.
but that's my humble opinion, i am one person of over 7 billion, in which at least half would disagree with me.
AleksiinaCS5 2 months ago
I think I ma genuinely in love with Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry. How people can still be so ignorant when there are people who can tell them facts about how the church hurts more then it helps, I don't understand.
xMchibix 2 months ago
Pro tip: When she talks. Turn on closed captions and transcribe audio. Then turn the volume down. I promise you a delightful reading with more substance than the audio!
robelirobban 2 months ago
I want to give Stephen Fry a hug.
kathl85 2 months ago
Can anyone tell me what Anne Widdecombe was saying? I couldn't put up with her voice :(
black00dice 2 months ago
@black00dice She was basically talking about how much better the world is when you force poor people into the worst possible conditions to satisfy your own morals (e.g. a rampant HIV transmission rate and young mothers with too many mouths to feed), they are so much better off because they have *hope* for salvation in an afterlife that may or may not actually ever happen. You didn't miss much.
abracadaverous 2 months ago
Look at hitchens taking notes the entire time she's speaking, that's how you formulate an argument and that's how he uses there own words against them whenever he speaks publicly.
mrpink188 2 months ago
I love how she doesn't even go near the topic of homosexuality. So you're admitting that you don't like gay people being alive? I never thought much of you before Mrs Widdecombe, I certainly don't think any more of you now.
bassgodtraining 2 months ago
Anne Widdecombe is proof that human vocal cords were not intelligently designed.
smuldia 2 months ago 9
I'm really immature. "And condoms - they came in the end..." ... hurhurhurhurhur (good talk though, go Hitchens!)
McJohnstable 2 months ago
I almost thought we could get threw this without talking about abuse of children and condoms????????????????? i thought for sure we could continue to sweep under the carpet...why cant we? why can't forget about all the rapes and deaths and abuses and theivery and just live on hope and faith, hope and faith, hope and faith -you are getting very sleepy, hope and faith, hope and faith
freedom1234573 2 months ago
Right. So basically she's saying the Catholic Church is like a dictatorship. I hear dictators also do nice things for their subjects sometimes... Then turn around and order mass murders. Nicely done, you stupid old trout.
AcePilotAldan 3 months ago
the most hilarious clip i have ever seen is when she goes after them both after this debate on the ten commandments
its on liveleak not youtube - its been taken off for some reason
google liveleak anne widdecombe stephen fry christopher hitchens - she looks like she's going to rip his guts out and CH looks drunk and SF is sooo funny - i just watch it for a laugh
timewilltell7 3 months ago
@timewilltell7
that IS an awesome clip... if you can get past her terrible speech impediment :) Hitch just walks out - it's obvious he doesn't want to be in her presence any longer than is absolutely neccesary - and I can't blame him.
ThePassiveFist 1 month ago 2
"Condoms... they came in the end."
TylerOvington 3 months ago
The only message of hope is Madoka.
OnlySoaa 3 months ago
Anne Widdecombe shuts up at 2:11
suitablebonding 3 months ago 34
If I could punch one person repeatedly in the chops for eternity I would choose that awful hag
nickylx 3 months ago
8:50 BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN
MordieSG 3 months ago
Thank fuck the full 9 minutes wasn't just that stupid Anne bitch babbling on about how Catholicism is good when it clearly isn't, it can do good things, but it outweighs such things with the bad...GO ON FRY!
austinjames666 4 months ago 2
@mickburke15 more pauper than king.
choot49 4 months ago
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@mickburke15 mister troll go back to your bridge trollololololololol
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brasher01 4 months ago
@mickburke15 tinfoil hats at the ready...
asdodge1 4 months ago
@mickburke15 trollolololol
choot49 4 months ago
Hitchens + Fry and Dawkins = the three Muskateers?
asdodge1 5 months ago 2
I adore Stephen. He is one of my favourite people in the world! : )
TheDharmawheel 5 months ago
i had to skip a lot of that woman. Only partly because she was talking shit but mostly because she has the most shrill and annoying voice ever!
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2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
N8Revolution 5 months ago
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
N8Revolution 5 months ago
After Stephen Fry's analogy of sex, every single catholic clergyman/woman in the audience was thinking, "God, I so want to get laid right now"!
listenthinkspeak 5 months ago
condoms are the point you fucking moron, why when you're explaining why the catholic church is bad wouldn't you bring op one of the worst things they've done, causing millions of horrific deaths?
christobell123 5 months ago
it's not a message of hope if it's not true, its just irrelevant.
The26Dude 5 months ago
@IhasSammich Yes, believers ignore the parts of the Bible they don't like. Speaks well of their moral fiber, but not of their consistency. The belief is still disgusting, even if you ignore parts of it.
lordlacolith 6 months ago
@IhasSammich No, the belief itself is disgusting. The people are merely reflecting it.
lordlacolith 6 months ago
Switched off at Anne. W.... old school, dullsville, and unconvincing to me .....
posyanne64 6 months ago
Why would you think that condoms wouldn't be raised. Widdicombe is a strangely demonised Catholic. She can't encompass humanist values. Fry is nice, I can't be. I loathe the Catholic Church and loathe all religious ideologies.
I loathe the Catholics and will never change my stance because they are as evil as they have always been and are as venal and wanting all gold and property that they can hold or steal for themselves.
I love this man and his passion. I share it.
VeroniqueCG 6 months ago
Die you old Whore
Saratonin91 6 months ago
Forget child abuse. That's just what they do to their OWN kids. It's teaching their kids that killing heretics, killing people who just don't agree with your Idea, is good that does not belong in civilized society. Crusades to you = genocide to others. The inquisitions are just a logical conclusion of their "doctrine" and WILL happen again (since it is part and parcel OF catholicism); it's "in-group/outgroup" teaching. And it's "charity" is OTHER PEOPLEs MONEY. lol
westchesterny 6 months ago
Wow, annoying voice.
Treefingrs 7 months ago 3
If anything was about hope, that's Atheism.
rhadiel 7 months ago
Thank you for posting this, TheShwaNerd.
writersblock26 7 months ago
THANK YOU STEPHEN FRY!!!!!!!!!!! As a Christian myself, I disagree with his views, but at least he didn't use personal attacks and low blows like Chris Hitchens uses. I listened to him to as a person who has his own POV, and challenges us to look at the body of Christ and how at times we have abused our power. Thank you, Mr. Fry for your honesty, and your respectful challenging of our beliefs.
katarnlunney 7 months ago
@katarnlunney you have no true power, only $ taken from many against their will, sick behind-the-scenes politicking, yr power is s/a turning u.s. into an untenable grossly usurious Welfare State, (via forcing Hart-Cellar, opening S. border to your many degraded ex-slaves (95% of all slave trade =catholic), filling them with hate speech via catholic-created Liberation Theology, and the resulting dead people killed by such imported people harbored in your churches on the u.s. tax dollar.
westchesterny 6 months ago
@westchesterny "converts" bragged about R as he says, poor, compromised, raised in magical thinking, primed to be bought off when hungry and you go near them with food (as if to bribe them). "conversion" should be about THEOLOGY, not the money you collect. In u.s. all catholics are used for politics only. And your pope has an embassy. Shouldn't this make the catholics foreign nationals? R they guilty of treason? destroying sep of church/state? U use people, not save them.
westchesterny 6 months ago
Anne Widdecombe sounds like Brian's mother in the Monty Python film. "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
choclitrayn 7 months ago 119
@choclitrayn LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
iliketorofllol 3 months ago
I'm convinced. Stephen Fry IS GOD! xD
GleekItsOlly 7 months ago
Talk about throwing sheep to the wolves!
Fry dominates!
andyspear1 7 months ago
anyone else think its ironic the the podium on which Anne Widdecombe stands has the words intelligence squared on it?
She should have a special podium that reads: "ignorance squared"
MrBrent123t 8 months ago 3
ANNE VIRGIN WIDDECOMBE
ignoranttwat 9 months ago
I know Stephen Fry is 33 years older than me but oh boy!, he is so smart and awesome he makes me wanna screw him.
makito8best7 9 months ago 2
"BLAH BLAH BLAH...." SHUT UP, SIT DOWN and let Stephen Fry show you how to debate with SUBSTANCE, you pompous, self-righteous, hypocritical screechtrumpet.
ThePassiveFist 9 months ago 118
@ThePassiveFist
screechtrumpet I like it :)
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@ThePassiveFist now now thats rather unsporting of you.
Zippomatt4 2 months ago
@ThePassiveFist You'd be good in a debate.
Sethagrius 2 months ago
@Sethagrius
LOL. i doubt it. if the person i'm debating is an intellectually honest, open-minded person, sure... but if they are anything like Anne Widdicombe, I'd probably lose it. - not lose the debate, per se, but i'd lose my temper with them. I'd be terrible in a debate. but thanks for the kudos.
ThePassiveFist 1 month ago
@ThePassiveFist Well sometimes the best an opponent can offer is someone like her.
Sethagrius 1 month ago
@ThePassiveFist Screechtrumpet? Loves it!
clumpft 1 month ago
That has to be the most annoying voice i've ever heard.
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XIceLitNickX 9 months ago
8:14-8:53 was the greatest analogy I have ever heard. SO TRUE
simpsonsrock1818 9 months ago
Religion is the great hijacker, especially of sex. Stephen Fry hit the nail on the head. I think I echo the thoughts of all sane people (especially atheists), in that it is the right of every consenting adult to have sex with another consenting adult no matter what their sexual orientation. Of course it is wise to have safe sex, eg: condoms, especially with a partner you have not known for very long.
roac7777 9 months ago 3
it always seemed to me that most religous people spent more time in church than actually out in the public doing good and helping people. I always found that funny, a community of people going once a week to reaffirm their beliefs in helping others, but not actually helping them, just praying and bobbing their heads. 90% time spent in worship and less than 10% spent actually exercising those beliefs which they seem to hold so true.
m420carbine4 9 months ago
cheers so much for uploading!
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niwanthiumara 10 months ago
Fry owned all!
twosixteen 10 months ago
I think Stephan Fry hits the nail right on the head with the church and sex. I mean just to give a tiny tiny example. I went to a catholic high school. Do you think catholic school girls are chaste? Yeah what comes to mind when you think of catholic school girls? It may be a stereotype but in this case, there's a kernel, or should I say, several kernels of truth to it.
Newenlightenmentnow 10 months ago
Maybe the church was right, blacks and women are inferior to white men.
TheMrPatriot1 10 months ago
@TheMrPatriot1 I think your trying to point out the absurdity of that belief-If so I applaud you.
jingleby1 10 months ago
Dear Anne Widdecombe- I think you are really sexy. Would you like to make out with me? This offer stands anytime, any day or night. We could discuss biblical topics over tea, then strip down and not use condoms or anything, nor utilize any other position than missionary, if that suits you, my dear. Let me know if you'd like to hook up. p.s.-i will be going down on you, honeysuckle chickadee.
wizzolf 11 months ago
@wizzolf Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew...... :(
Catchcait 10 months ago
All social welfare organisations play a vital roll.
However just like other organisations they do it with other peoples money, however the cathloic church keeps plenty for themselves, the 5th richest corporation in the world, while preaching poverty. They do though, put conditions on charity which other decent moral groups do not.
VideoAudioDisco09 11 months ago
Africa doesn't need the condoms to prevent AIDS. All it needs is "abstinence" and simple morality since it works great here in America.
kmelfina 11 months ago
I don't see Fry even taking notes. I mean why should he, his enormous brain probably soaks up and sorts out all that cultist bullshit in less than a second. Comparing his brain to the size of Kent is a clear insult to the size of his brain.
stabbed22 11 months ago
the roman catholic church started world destruction.
1980vince 11 months ago
Ann Widdecombe brushing off the condom issue like it was a bit of nonsense is infuriating. She wants to talk about the Catholic church exporting money to Africa to save lives; how many people died because of the popes statement on this issue?
2edsajdmsa 1 year ago
@2edsajdmsa In all fairness she's had no experience in the matter. I'd need two condoms over my eyes before I'd want to see her naked!
qwijibo1 11 months ago
Abusers of children of 80,000 times more prevalent in society at large than in the priesthood.
redeemerslove 1 year ago
@redeemerslove Bollocks, show me the stats for that.
kinkykirby 1 year ago 2
@redeemerslove That's ok then. As long as there's more normal folk than priests fucking kids. I wonder how many of the abusers in society are believers!
qwijibo1 11 months ago
Stephen Fry is another intellectual gnat.
redeemerslove 1 year ago
@redeemerslove I think you spelled giant wrong!
qwijibo1 11 months ago
Stephen Fry for world president!!!
Meskiagkasher 1 year ago
is it just me or did they clap only when she finnished?
SVKGulag 1 year ago
that message is that of hope........to elaborate,"false hope"
1marceltony 1 year ago
that message is that of hope........to elabotate,"false hope"
1marceltony 1 year ago
yeah....catholics gave food ...but truly did it to get your soul !
1marceltony 1 year ago
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A genuine debate would not pit two articulate Oxbridge men against a stammering recent convert and a cleric whose first language is not English and whose talent is preaching not debating. A real apologist or theologian would have gutted the other side. So it was a setup, even the audience was maybe a setup. Anyone must intelligently discern these things before forming any opinion. Unless of course, you're watching the video because you hate the church already and just seeking affirmation.
robocrapz 1 year ago
1.17 - Steven fry is in pain!!! Widdecombe's voice is horrific and Fry's face shows it!! Thank God she is Catholic and not on our side, else I'd take up Catholicism just to spite her!!
MrTim848 1 year ago 3
condoms came in the end.
TheM4tthew 1 year ago 3
@TheM4tthew That's what they're for!
qwijibo1 11 months ago
Stephen Fry is The Lord Of Lords, The King Of Kings, The Conquering Lion Of The Tribe Of Athiests....when he speaks...hear his ROAR.
ddbd 1 year ago
anne widdecombe has 2 different voices.
volound 1 year ago
@thinsulite The catholic church is currently worth over $600 billion (U.S.), not including the value of property it owns around the world, and it is currently being investigated for international money laundering. So not only does it make vast amounts of money on the backs of the poor, it then uses that money in immoral practices.
nureinsoldat 1 year ago 3
The fact that Anne said around 2:10 that the world would be poorer without The Catholic Church. From my knowledge The Catholic Church doesn't really make much money, if any at all. But even if it did then it would be a fairly crooked religion if it made money from people.
thinsulite 1 year ago
@thinsulite Yeah..have you seen St. Peter's Basilica?
lazerbeam134 1 year ago
@thinsulite what do you mean the vatican "doesnt really make much money"... are you being sarcastic or joking? I mean, that cesspool is the richest institution in the world, they have stock everywhere, do a google search of catholic wealth. have you been to the vatican (Ihave)? it reeks of money and power. remember these guys have been looting for about 1700 years.
wirikuta14 1 year ago
@wirikuta14 In all fairness these gold goblets don't come cheap. Just think how bad life would be for the starving of the world if they didn't have the comfort of knowing the vatican is full of gold. I'm not sure they'd get through the day!
qwijibo1 11 months ago
Religious people are stupid
whb786 1 year ago 4
All hail Stephen Fry! That was the best analogy I have EVER heard.
bitterxpill 1 year ago 47
@bitterxpill EPIC
MrAnalChrist 10 months ago
@actionbastardaway How is that hypocritical? How is it a contradiction to cite donations to charity when the money was donated to you in the first place? It may not be so great to donate money to charity when the money was donated to you in the first place, but it's not a contradiction. Get your terms right.
Do you have any evidence suggesting how much money they donate is donated to them in the first place? Do you have any evidence for money spent on the Pope/Vatican?
trixwiz7 1 year ago
@trixwiz7 "Do you have any evidence for money spent on the Pope/Vatican"
maybe theres a little proof in the fact that the pope live in a house thats a city...
and the fact that he has solid gold doors
open your eyes
SLAMTproductions 1 year ago
@SLAMTproductions Granted. But you need material objects to run an organisation, and for better or worse, the grander such objects are, the more prolific the organisation tends to be. Besides at least the wealth of the Vatican preserves historical treasures, much like wonderful museums throughout London. But it still doesn't change the fact that they make rather a significant, positive difference to poor and ill people throughout the world.
Open your eyes to that fact, one needn't be Catholic
trixwiz7 1 year ago
@trixwiz7 rubbish
they only care about the poor when they have a bowl of soup in 1 hand and a bible in the other
charity is doing something to help others
not giving to the less fortunate for your own gain..
SLAMTproductions 1 year ago
@SLAMTproductions Do you have any personal experience with Catholic aid programmes, or anything of that nature? I'm afraid you really can't make any kind of assessment unless you have personal experience, and certainly not on bias and hearsay, which is what you're doing. Having said that there's no denying providing aid can be exploitative, but it's no where near as exploitative as you suggest. I've experienced it first hand and seen the CC help people with no intention of converting them
trixwiz7 1 year ago
@trixwiz7 lol i love it
you say what i say cant be true because im believing in something from hearsay when you believe in a sky wizard XD
SLAMTproductions 1 year ago
@SLAMTproductions Good call lol. I've never said anything about what I believe. As it happens I'm an agnostic, I don't believe in the god preached of by the Catholic Church. All I'm saying is "fair go". I'm asking whether you have any experience of Catholic aid programmes, or any stats, because if you don't then it's hearsay upon which you're basing a horribly biased opinion. I happen to have experienced their good work first hand, ones Ive known don't care what religion you are, just wanna help
trixwiz7 1 year ago
@trixwiz7 what do you mean stats?
its all around us
old people , drug addicts , the poor the weakest people in society to pray on
in any fact its not like if you proved to me even a little that it was a good thing there are much worse things they do ... the constant rape of children , hatred of gays , protecting pedophiles , wars , killing anyone with a different religious review
lets just thank god (-.-) religion is dying
SLAMTproductions 1 year ago
@SLAMTproductions "Wars, killing anyone with a different religious review". The Catholic Church, like the CofE etc, do nothing of the sort, and haven't for at least the past 2, 3 hundred years. "Constant rape of children", I mean c'mon, the Church itself doesn't do that, it's only a very, very small % of clergy, along with other religion's clergy, like CofE, etc. The only thing you're remotely right about is the protection of paedophiles, which is abhorrent
trixwiz7 1 year ago
@trixwiz7 sorry but this is over
your telling me im baised when you just defended pedophiles
your either arguing for the sake of arguing
or your a really sick person
SLAMTproductions 1 year ago
@SLAMTproductions I didn't defend paedophiles at all. I said the the Church's protection of paedophiles is abhorrent. But I did however say that you description of the entire Catholic Church as child rapists is about as misguided and inaccurate as Hitler's view on race. I'm telling you you're biased because everything you said (apart from blaming the Church for shielding paedophiles) is inaccurate, and based on hearsay, not statistics or experience
trixwiz7 1 year ago
@SLAMTproductions What an absolutely piss poor response. The level of bias and hearsay you seem to rely on astounds me. For starters even if there is a religious undertone to aidwork, it's still better than no a id, and should still be commended, not criticised. Think about the millions provided with food, shelter and education (like maths, English, chemistry, not just religion). And I know firsthand that aid is often given with intentions of goodwill not exploitation. Prove to me otherwise...
trixwiz7 1 year ago
@trixwiz7
Vatican city has enough gold to build the whole of Africa into a working continent, all they would lose is the gold lining around their buildings. But instead they hoard wealth and trickle money out in return for subjects. Disgusting!
BunWackettBuzzard 1 year ago
@SLAMTproductions what garbage. I never said that doing something that you haven't specified is justified because worse is done. And yup, religion is dying in developed countries (UK, Western Eur, Aus, parts of USA, Can) but if you actually had any experience of the developing world you'll find that's not the case there at all. Just like you have no experience of Catholic Aid programmes and yet you're making any number of unsubstantiated claims.
trixwiz7 1 year ago
@trixwiz7 thats the point -.-
they help the poor "the weak" and give them a god to pray to and blame and make them believe in demons
if the developing world spent more time helping each other and not sacrificing 8 year old girls as witches maybe they would get somewhere
SLAMTproductions 1 year ago
@SLAMTproductions But that's completely untrue. They don't just "give them a god to pray to", you're basing that assumption on your own bias not reason or experience, they do genuinely help them, do some research. I mean you've said "sacrificing 8 year old girls as witches", even if you meant that as a joke that shows you know bugger all about the beliefs and dynamics of the Catholic Church
trixwiz7 1 year ago
@SLAMTproductions You do have a point that giving aid while also trying to convert is not particularly honourable, Hitchens has said a lot about that too. But I maintain that giving millions education, food, water and shelter, even if you're trying to convert them, does more good than bad. But I've known the Catholic Church to help people with no intention of conversion. The BBC, various historians reckon the Church saved 800 000 Jewish lives during WW2, I doubt conversion were on their mindthen
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@trixwiz7 thats the point -.-
they help the poor "the weak" and give them a god to pray to and blame and make them believe in demons
if the developing world spent more time helping each other and not sacrificing 8 year old girls as witches maybe they would get somewhere
SLAMTproductions 1 year ago
Stephen Fry has a valid point about Sir/St Thomas More. But he did precisely the same thing as Elizabeth I, who had Catholics tortured and executed. I mean, if Stephen Fry personally believes Thomas More was so evil, then he is obliged to feel precisely the same way about Elizabeth I. But I bet, along with most of England, don't and instead admire her greatly
trixwiz7 1 year ago
call them old fashioned values , but guess what ? They WORK ! Pearlbanger you have yet to come up with a cogent intelligent reason for your opinion that doesnt entail stooping to insults and then I may start to take you seriously . until then, please dont bother .
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
Furthermore, u cant really expect 2 know what grace is except when u r on the receiving end of it yrself through the exercise of faith normally accompanied by some small act of charity or selflessness.So I am a dumbass and a bigot am I because I am a stickler for morally correct values which embrace compassion, self-sacrifice, charity , humility etc? that makes me an object worthy of yr scorn does it ?
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
th catholic church doesnt condemn homos - it condemns the practising of th homosexual lifestyle, whch in my view is destructive. I've wondered whether th root cause of Stephen's manic depression lies in the psychospiritual malaise of his sexuality - his conscience wrestles with some tendencies in him that are anti-natural and wrong - homoerotic desires. I have also observed many instances such as ppl with ME who have sinned sexually& ther has so far yet 2 b a convincing xplanation 4 its Xistenz.
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
@spiritualwarrior1100 Pope Benedict has said anyone born homosexual is inherently evil.
drummerkid1993 1 year ago
@drummerkid1993 well u will have 2 show me where that quote comes from but i believe that its either a misquote or a deliberate distortion from overzealous catholic bashers. Be very careful where you get yr sources b4 u start spreading misinfo about the church. That is not my understanding of the catholics view on homosexuals at all. Homos are still the children of God. They have the ability 2b saved every bit as much as anyone else. It depends on what they do though. we all have our challenges,
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
@spiritualwarrior1100 So what if a priest abuses a choir boy? I suppose that's a test from God. He'll say a few prayers and God will forgive him? Consenting adults are doomed to hell though right? Your head's not just for resting hats on my friend, there's an amazingly evolved brain in there. Feel free to use it!
qwijibo1 11 months ago 2
@spiritualwarrior1100 Shut the fuck up, you know nothing about gay people, that much is obvious from your ridiculous comment about Stephen Fry 'wrestling' with his sexuality. It's not his sexuality he has to wrestle with it's homophobic morons like you who are DESPERATE to continue the status quo of religion ruling peoples lives. You're a sheep and a fucking disgusting repulsive homophobic sheep at that. Just fuck off.
rolybling 1 year ago 3
@rolybling On the contrary, I have been best mates with a gay , worked on a music project with a mostly gay cast and crew and even converted a few gays in my time. As well as overcome certain homoerotic desires of my own when I realised they were wrong. I will certainly not STFU. u claim that I am a sheep but the hatred and abusiveness of yr tone says far more about u than it does about me. I am not a homophobe. I do not condemn people 4 what they are into, I just dont agree with the lifestyle.
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
@spiritualwarrior1100 A gay? Because that's how they like to be known. I'm good friends with a gay, a black and a chinese. Doesn't quite sound right does it?
qwijibo1 11 months ago
@rolybling and lest you are in any doubt, when i say i converted them, I mean I cured them of their gayness and made them straight ! Yes, believe it or not, it is something you can be cured of... and I know they key to it.
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
@rolybling Contrary 2 what u might like 2 believe, I do not blindly accept whatever I am told by authority or religion.I have always questioned everything and seen both sides of the argument. believe me, I dont agree with everything the church has decreed over the ages.The church does not condemn homosexuals, but is against homosexuality because it is not creative, and Xtians believe that God put us here because he had loving creative intentions for us and for our species.
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
@rolybling Much as I may like Stephen Fry, it is obvious he hasnt fully accepted himself. He is not a liberated man. His speech presents a very distorted one-sided view of what catholicism is all about. Homosexuality however is a complex issue, and yes it is possible in some cases to re-orientate someone who has been having homosexual desires towards full heterosexuality. I have seen this happen in practise .
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
@spiritualwarrior1100 No, you haven't seen that happen. You've seen people suppress their feelings because of the stigma placed on them by your disgusting belief.
lordlacolith 1 year ago 42
@wspol624 I consider myself a devout catholic and I dont think Stephen is an evil person at all. I think of him as a national treasure, and yet I think he is misguided if he thinks the Catholic church is not a force for good on the whole. He quite obviously has a chip on his shoulder because of his sexual persuasion, and here he misrepresents the Church's view on homosexuals. It does not condemn them, it just condemns the practising of what it considers to not be a natural or creative act.
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
@wspol624 Its a shame because you non-believers miss out on the wider joys of practising sexual abstinence. Speaking as one who was fairly promiscuous throughout most of my 20s before reaffirming my Catholic faith, I actually found my decision to practise sexual abstinence within the context of pre-marital relations incredibly liberating. With it came a certain grace and self-control that was previously unknown to me. But most atheists probably dont understand the concept of grace , sadly .
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
@spiritualwarrior1100 dude you're a bigot and a dumbass. dont band all atheists together saying we're all not graceful. that would be like me saying all catholics are peados... well i sppose its ok then!
pearlbanger 1 year ago
@pearlbanger With the greatest of respect, yr reply shows that u dont understand the concept of grace at all. It has little to do with being graceful but is all about receiving rewards and blessings in the form of unexpected gifts - whether that be relief from some stressful situation, or even recognition for some small act of charity or selflessness for example. But by my attempting to define the concept of grace in such a short space to the unconverted really doesnt do the matter much justice.
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@pearlbanger Furthermore, u cant really expect 2 know what grace is except when u r on the receiving end of it yrself through the exercise of faith normally accompanied by some small act of charity or selflessness.So I am a dumbass and a bigot am I because I am a stickler for morally correct values which embrace compassion, self-sacrifice, charity , humility etc? that makes me an object worthy of yr scorn does it ?
spiritualwarrior1100 1 year ago
come on STEPHEN!!!!
Frog869 1 year ago
absolute rubbish. A world with out the C. Church would be wonderful,
Patrick5009 1 year ago
I wonder what business Christopher Hitchens has going after anyone for authoring a bloody chapter in history, considering that he was one of the chief public intellectuals to lend their support for the wholly unnecessary Iraq War.
Incidentally, during the lead up to the Iraq War the Pope "prayed for peace."
The Church was on the right side of that event and Hitchens was not.
CristinaFernandez 1 year ago
stephen fry is literally crooked
EDLTV 1 year ago
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Alphacaliber 1 year ago
@Alphacaliber his face is crooked
EDLTV 1 year ago
And the funny thing is the Catholic Church will continue long after Mr Fry is forgotten. Maybe that's the point.
cantleysugar 1 year ago
@cantleysugar I'm not sure why, but that sounds like the biggest pile of bullcrap I've ever heard. Strange.
HappiestTomato 1 year ago