I am going to be blunt here! You can like it or hate it I do not give a crap! The jehovah's witness organization is an insidious and dangerous cult. The only difference between it and the taliban are the guns and bombs. Both have fanatical agendas of forcing their religious crap on the rest of the world. I chased the bastards off my property and said that I would meet them with a shotgun if they return. They have ruined so many peoples lives with their insidious brain washing
Omg im so sorry to say I am currently one of Jehovah's Witnesses and the brother responses wasnt honest...very misleading n dishonest sorry. Its obvious the interviewer knew the answers to the questions so why didnt the brother pick up on that he made a fool of himself.
@Privateaudition1986 I am the interviewer and am very surprised you are willing to admit the dishonesty in what you are seeing. You are indeed a rare person. Thank you for your honesty.
Do all Jehovah's Witnesses agree with the following Watchtower teaching earthwide?
"Did you know, for example, that mothers and fathers who stroke the genitals of their fretful babies to keep them quiet are unwittingly encouraging them to become masturbators later on?" (Watchtower, Sept 15, 1973, p. 568, par. 6)
Would stroking the genitalia of fretful infants be considered child molestation, and if so, why does the Watchtower not mention this?
I was a witness when I was young. I quit going when I was young because the Witnesses did predict the end of the system of things. I think it was around 1966. I have been trying to find that article. Every time I search, it is not found, so obviously, it is being blocked. I may have been young and foolish, but my understanding was Matthew 24:38..."No one knows, not the angels, not even the son, but the father only.." So where did anyone have the right to predict the end....?
@venosmit They've been claiming since their inception that the end is right around the corner. Jesus addressed this when he said;
"Look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name [Jesus], saying, 'I am he,' and, 'The due time has approached.' Do not go after them" (Luke 21:8)
Here's one example:
"The time is short, the final end of this system of things is near; consequently there is no time for hesitation, timidity or inactivity" (w51 9/1 p. 520).
honestly ive found a lot of videos like this in where the JWS dont have an answer for whoever is asking the questions....but i too was raised around them, and i used to b one of them...and i know ministers from JWS who would debate every topic about it and would answer every question without hesitating, idk why these ones ive found look like they r just starting to learn about it too
@Mplaysbeatlab One of the reasons they appear like they cannot answer is because we ask a series of questions designed specifically to cause a contradiction in their thinking. Eventually we paint them into a corner from which they cannot escape without employing another propaganda stunt, such as moving the goalposts, or inserting a red herring. Ones skilled in the use of logical fallacies will attempt to answer, but will eventually fail when the fallacies are then identified to them.
I appreciate my brothers and sisters (most of the time), but when that other brother came in saying he wanted to see the interview really annoyed me. why was he so nosy? but yet, he didn't want his face on camera. he was probably trying to see if the original brother could hold his own, but still, he's a grown man. he doesn't need you to come to the rescue in case he chokes. thats what irritates me about some witnesses...ppl will get the impression that we have bodyguards
yes study of the watchtower is mandatory if you want to be a jw. even non jws know that, he lied 100% about that, why wouldnt he just tell the truth, he say how can i put this, he just couldnt bring himself to answer the question, brainwashed
So many haters of JWs. . . If society dislike these ppl so much why don't they show them love instead? Some of the biggest "haters" out there toward these people are people professing to call themselves "people for Jesus" or, "Christians". Jesus said you should love your enemies. If JWs are that bad, and if you call yourself a "true" Christian, then love them instead of defacing them. BTW, Jesus also said his "true" followers would be hated and suffer persecution.
@syneMeUp I love when dub excusers come on here babbling about persecution, Jesus, blah blah blah . . I can then remind them of the words of their puppet handlers:
"It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false" (Nov. 15, 1963, Watchtower Magazine, p. 688, par. 3) . . .
This video is both hilarious and painful. This parrot-robot, who at first thought he was speaking to an "interested person" (potential Witness), turned into a stammering idiot as soon as he realized he was talking to someone who was not only familiar with Witness practice but was about to catch him in a lie.
@YAHWEHtoHELL, sorry took so long to respond. I was on a 4 wk dick sucking binge.
Funny, I was just looking at a bunch of screen shots from a few years ago.
Hey, pal, remember that time you had 20 yt troll accounts (prolly still do), & you told my under age teen daughter you wanted to lick her cunt? That was so funny cuz you have a daughter, too. So cool!
Then I scared your pussy ass so shitless you actually deleted your original youtube account?
@PublishingCult You won?.....No Timmy, i stayed, you went underground trolling the shit out of good people. If you call that a win, so be it. Your 22 year old "underaged" (lol) daughter prolly needs her cunt licked by a real fella before she choses your path and decides to lick carpet for the rest of her life....Be good LOSER :)
@YAHWEHtoHELL, lol, she was 16 at the time, and you new it. Is this your Aussie trash way of distracting from the apparent fact you are a pedophile, a gay-bashing bigot and homophobe, don't respect your wife, and pimp out your kids on youtube to get attention because you haven't the balls to put the bong and the booze down long enough to do something other than be the cliche apostate the gb of JW's warn the rank and file about?
@PublishingCult Angry little man aren't you? The people who know me on here, realize that what you are attempting by saying such rubbish, is due to your insecurity.
@YAHWEHtoHELL, I have screen shots of a few of your troll accounts, and how your trolled, spammed, harassed, and fucked over your friends here on youtube. Cook game . . . if you're 15 years old. If you can provide one ounce of evidence I have ever trolled a single person, present it. You are pointing your sad pathetic finger at me with four more fingers on the same hand pointing right back at you. Keep it up, asshole. I have given you enough space, and I am done taking your fucking shit.
@PublishingCult So what Tim? You have shots of some other accounts i had 4 years ago....Good on you mate, you're a superstar WINNER!!!! Is that what you need to hear peanut?
Going to an assembly and trying to shame your own cousin, and attempt to expose some of his personal details on the internet, is what i consider to be desperate, weak, and outright shameful........Mr Perfect!
JW's are like mindless robots. I was brought up in that crazy belief system. They have an obsession with the NWO just like the Illuminati and free masons do. They are programmed to be slaves for the governing body and they do not realize that they have been severely brainwashed. They are preparing for the NWO alright! Their bible is a contradiction to their own belief. They baptize people in the name of Jehovah and their organization. But tell them to read the book of Matthew in their bible.
@propagandatechniques What I found interesting in the book of Matthew is Matthew 28:19,20. Jehovah's Witnesses baptize people in the name of Jehovah and their organization and in the holy bible and their bible the NWT, it states that Jesus commanded the disciples after his Resurrection, to go out and baptize others in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy spirit. JW'S can not deny that it says that and their own bible contradicts them.
@propagandatechniques I want one JW to tell me that it does not say that in Matthew 28:19,20. And oh by the way where does it ever say in any book of the bible to baptize an individual in the name of an organization?
@propagandatechniques I want one JW to tell me that it does not say that in Matthew 28:19,20. And oh by the way where does it ever say in any book of the bible to baptize an individual in the name of an organization?
I agree, this man is evading. And most my family members are JW. I'm Muslim, altought my family is JW they do not shun me. Which I think is a mercy from God to them. Their bond of brotherhood and family is stronger than JW beliefs. However, I know most JW aren't like that and will shun all disbelievers. But, yes, this guys definitely is evading the question and is trying to come up with an answer that is not going to make him look stupid and like a liar. Peace be with them.
@throwyourburden If what you say is true that Jehovah will never stop loving me, are you saying the Watchtower Society is lying when they call me an "apostate" that has no hope for the future?
@throwyourburden Um, actually, where I am from the schools hang posters of pedophiles on the bulletin boards and notify parents by mail when one moves in the area; so, your logic is flawed on that one.
"With your line of reasoning you would not take your child anywhere."
With my line of reasoning, the elders keep the information contained among themselves in order to give the nutty cult a pristine appearance to the unsuspecting members; therefore, I would never take my child to a kingdom hall.
@throwyourburden Then, if pedophiles can be reinstated in the "imperfect man" organization without the other members being aware of it, why would I want to bring my children there?
@throwyourburden You are speaking inferentially. In other words, you are making inferences without supportive facts when you mention my supposedly being scarred. Again, back to beards (sidestepping ad hominem attack): Can a male adult Jehovah's Witness where a beard and give parts in the meetings? Yes or no? Can a man in the Watchtower Society wear a beard and engage in the formal door to door ministry? Yes or no? If not, please support this tenet with bible scriptures. Thank you.
@throwyourburden (part 2) If you understand, what publishingcult did was ask him simple, easy to answer questions, then walked him into the trap of bad logic and fallacious reasoning the Watchtower is structured on. That is why it appeared this "poor man" was ambushed. I have a question for you: Can a pedophile be "reinstated" in another hall, unbeknown to the nominal members? Yes or no? Before answering, be advised: I spent 15 years in it and know the answer; so, don't lie (see other comment).
@throwyourburden Does this man gain permission before stepping on private property? Everything JWs do, how they dress, what they eat, what they drink, must first be verified with "light" from the
Watchtower Society. It's damned sick for sure, but thanks for your opinion. I'd challenge you to show me where men wearing beards is somehow disapproved in the bible but I would not want to short circuit your already frayed wiring.
love how this guy got stuck on your question. good job interviewing. Maybe you got this guy on the road to critical thinking, something we never were allowed to do in the org.
@hujjesb Talk to the youtube user, publishingcult. The point seems to be that this "brother" realizes that stereotyping former members is wrong and denies participating in such behavior, although most members know he's fibbing. Now if we can just get his handlers, the so-called "anointed" to come to the same conclusion. Any ideas?
@propagandatechniques yes I have a good idea ,.the publishingcult guy who is asking the JW all these questions should go and get a hobby / job/ do anything rather than spending time trying to put other people and there beliefs down what a sad empty life he must have . if he dont argee with JWs thats fine .however why is he taking all this onboard ,I think the JW is a nice guy ,.If it had been me ,I would have told publishingcult sado to piss off .
@hujjesb "if he dont argee with JWs thats fine however why is he taking all this onboard."
I would think it is because he thinks the JW religion is a destructive cult that breaks up families and friendships. That would be my guess. Some people try to pretend the JW religion is a one big happy family. Others with experience know that they are actually forcing the members to stay in it; for, if any try to get out of it to become a different faith, they are stereotyped "apostate," and shunned.
@propagandatechniques..look if he thinks the JWs is a destructive cult fine .well thats his view, its not mine or most other peoples .WHAT some people think JWs is a big happy family..who cares,, people like yourselfs do nothing in this world except cause bother ,just leave other people at peace .why dont you take up golf or anything ,,I guess you have too much time on your hands .how sad dont you have nothing else to fill your time ,please its a big world out there go and do or acheve anything.
@hujjesb That's funny. Do you prejudge everything and everyone? I am currently a business owner and enrolled in college with a 4.0 Grade Point Average, in the 100 percentile of my school. Now, what possesses you to think you must give me direction in life? I will deprogram as many victims of the Watchtower Society that I can; and, quite frankly, I do not give a crap what anyone thinks about that. By the way - golf is for pussies.
@propagandatechniquesMan you are one Norman Bates . if your a business owner what are you doing all this shit for ..What victims of the watchtower ,..man your a sad sad person .you got to be the most crazy person I have seen on tube ..do you make bombs in your empty life to pass the time ,your just full off HATE ,
@hujjesb These are typical judgments the Watchtower Society seems to foster among its members. It is unfortunate to see so many like yourself that cannot formulate free thoughts. The only defense to the facts I present about this destructive cult that destroys families and friendships is to name call and attack the messenger. Then, the most amusing accusation of all is that I am full of hate. If you saw all the messages I get personally thanking me on a daily basis you would eat your words.
All men, women, and children trapped inside of it for fear of facing social destruction at one thought terminating command from the handlers - "apostate."
"man your a sad sad person ."
I am actually quite happy in deprogramming ones like you.
"you got to be the most crazy person I have seen on tube .."
This is based on years of imprinting from your handlers to not think outside the WT box.
If you disagreed about 1914, you would have to do further research into the bible. We have very thorough proofs from the bible for every teaching we have. It does take time to explain the teachings, as the bible has over 1500 pages and many thousands of scriptures. It takes time to look up and see the truth of God. Jehovah is God Almighty. Look in your dictionary (about 1/2 I've seen have it in there). Jw's put God's name back in bible where it belongs. God uses imperfect humans to preach
@eternityandforever The beginning of the 1914 timeline begins at the year 607BCE. Please show me one source that can verify the 607 date outside of "God's arrangement." Do you know what you will learn? None exist. The 607 date was made up by the Watchtower Society handlers to place themselves in power over unsuspecting dubs like you.
I Believe it is the truth, And it is the truth! No one has the rights to mock or abuse JW's, If they don't do It to you, or other religions! JW's Accept what other people may Believe and they respect That!
@Lauren50381 Yeah, right - unless of course the other people believing a different way are former JWs; then, of course, they shun the crap out of those people.
@Lauren50381 Um, because I was in it fifteen years, baptized, ministerial servant, full-time pioneer and walked right out when I realized the ones running it were no more "anointed" than the man on the moon. They're lying about that and they are lying when they tell you the elders' appointment comes from God. Last time I checked, the branch committee that appoints the ones to elder position are not God - are they?
@Lauren50381 Um, because I was in it fifteen years, baptized, ministerial servant, full-time pioneer and walked right out when I realized the ones running it were no more "anointed" than the man on the moon. They're lying about that and they are lying when they tell you the elders' appointment comes from God. Last time I checked, the branch committee that appoints the ones to elder position are not God - are they?
@Lauren50381 you have no right to put everyone else religions to dust by saying JW's speak the truth and is the truth.... im roman catholic and would not dream to say i am absouloutly right and you are wrong. JW's used to (remember the word USED to)knock at my door and they would quote things out of the bible and if someone in my house proved them wrong guess what they shut up for 30 seconds tried the quote again then would storm away in hush.
You did set up a fraud not JW this guy? Wow you really do not know how to put us down but still you are trying to put JW down, We leave this to our God Jehovah, you will never win you John 8: 44 !
@smagisa Mi amor, que sigue el llamado "ungido"? Usted o yo?
"Muchos de venga en el nombre de mí, diciendo: Yo soy el Ungido, y engañarán a muchos" (Mt. 24:5). . . "No es por lo tanto ir tras ellos" (Lucas 21:8). (Diaglotón enfático).
@smagisa, well, I just did something your God could not prevent; I demonstrated how JW's will lie without hesitation to cover up and protect unScriptural doctrine and destructive behavior. Between PropTechniques and my channel, thousands have already seen this demonstrated openly and honestly. The organization exists not by God's protection, but by the billion a year that pours into the org from 7.2 million JW's coerced into donating funds and peddling WT publications at their own expense. FACT
how do you know that the one using profanity is one of Jehovha's Witness, how do we know that you set this all up to make the witnesses look bad, because I can very vividly remember when I first tried to go to my first assembly the Apostates were standing in front of Convention holding what looked like an awake magazine, but was a fake one trying to get me to read the same old false doctrines i was being taught by the Catholic church which i just left. Nothing surprises me with all the Deceit
@jazzbassf To pull something like this off would be rather expensive and time consuming, that's how come we know this is a set up. This guy is a pawn of the Roman Catholic church, that's how come he can afford to pay off nearly 100 extras in this setup! Praise Jehovah!
@smigasa, your theory is creative, imaginative, and amusing. If you look at my channel, you will see I posted this video the same day it was recorded during the 2010 District Convention of JW's in San Diego, CA. (May 28, 2010 09:43 PM) From about 4:47 you can see literally thousands of JW's walking around during lunch break, lol, not to mention thousands of cars parked in the lot. I'm an xJW. I'm an atheist. I don't need the Cath Chrch to do what I quite simply did, which was ask questions.
@joepublisher1 look you dumb fuck for wat i know .... if you have a camara why in the fuck would you even have one in the first place????? if you are interested... you dont need a camara... so if you do have one and ur asking this questions you are trying (most likely) to be a smart ass) so this people rather get away from your nonsense than argue with you.. if there is no interest fuck off!!!!! its common sense.
You put him on the spot, you do not realise. If you did not change your mind about how you felt about the watchtower then the elders would get involved and talk to you, if you still did not believe in what jehovahs witnesses would teact, then yes you would become disfellowshipped and you would not be able to associate with any of them as you have doubts and you do not belive what is being told. I know you think he was lying but i really think you put him on the spot, it is hard being video'd.
@AModernFloral Actually he caught himself in a lie. Putting him on the spot is not an accurate assessment. He just got done saying "you can do what you want," indicating that the organization is liberal in its requirements. Then, when challenged, he knew he couldn't further his lie. Please stop being disingenuous. I'm going to send you another video with a similar reaction.
@AModernFloral, every JW knows the answer to the questions posed to this JW Elder. The camera didn't put him on the spot, the questions did, yet he couldn't answer as you did above. All the WTS does is publish literature. He couldn't remember what those pubs were called or what they were for? LOL, right. The conflict came when there was a distinction made between studying the Bible and studying WT publications which is strictly imposed by the WT on its members and newly interested ones.
@joepublisher1 Just think, any weekend any one of us can go to an assembly hall near us and get one of these unsuspecting people on camera this very same way - because they do not heed their handlers' instructions not to be interviewed. That brother setting up the camera had a disgruntled look on his face. I wonder what he thought when watching his video of this interview. How do they not see Mike lying about not calling ones that teach contrary things "apostate"? We all know he's lying.
Hey guys, in simple terms... Watchtower magazine just compiles the related versus on a topic for study from the bible. eg: if you show a graph to someone with just values, nobody will understand. You've got to put on text to explain want you are trying to say. And so does the watchtower magazine or any publication from the WT does. It DOESN't deviate anything from the BIBLE.
@sdannyg How hard is it to understand what the bible says without an entire book having to explain one text? You see, men that claim to be "anointed" use the BIBLE to support their agenda - not the other way around. You may believe the Watchtower uses their propaganda to support the bible; yet, I heed Christ's warning:
"Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive" (Mt 24:5) . . . "Not therefore go you after them" (Lu 21:8). (Emphatic Diaglott).
@ApriliaFalcoSlr1000 Good question; he's lying when he says Jehovah's Witnesses would not shun the interviewer or call him "apostate" for disagreeing with the Watchtower Society and teaching something contrary. The "brother" did not want to be quoted on camera admitting to what all Jehovah's Witnesses are very aware of, but would never tell a "newly interested" person being recruited.
@propagandatechniques I do not see what he is lying about. An Apostate is not about disagreeing with a certain religious doctrine it is about promoting and teaching something that is agianst that doctrine. So he is not lying. I could be a JW and disagree with something that does not make me an apostate or get me shunned. But If I was to speak out against my fellow JW's and their teachings because I disagreeed with something, that then makes me an apostate.
@Theytoldmetodoit12:10 - "Just the bible." Lie. 2:21 - "Loss for words . . .wife calling." Lie. He would've answered. 2:43 - "Nothing's mandatory." Lie. They will not baptize someone that does not accept the propaganda. 3:07-3:26 - "You can do what you want." Lie. Nobody becomes an ordained minister in the WTS without the publications. 3:19 - 3:47 - Total mind control. He can't answer because he painted himself into a corner with lies. 5:07 - "You could." Total lie.
@propagandatechniques how do we know that the person you interviewed was really one of Jehovah's Witness or some one pretending to be one. Apostates have done this before pretending to be one of Jehovah's witnesses or maybe the Brother if he really was one of Jehovah's witnesses got nervous and was intimidated by the camera
@jazzbassf, we was pretty proud and arrogant in front of the camera at first, obviously boastful. Pretty darn comfy. He got nervous when he was asked to answer simple direct straight-forward questions to which he lied. Nice try.
there is a term for what the maker of this video did: entrapement. when you are putting someone under scruciny and edditing a video instead of posting the entire thing, it can't be taken as fact. And for your information, if you don't believe in what they say, you have no buisiness joining them you hypocritical ill informed person.
@MrBlurrization Fifteen years in it and having successfully escaped via leg chewing, I'm anything but ill informed. Go get your "mind cleansed" some more:
"Minds must be cleansed and made over" (Watchtower, June 1, 1953, p. 350 par. 24).
Don't forget to scrub behind the intero-temporal cortex. =)
@keneconchumpow What is awful is a representative of "God's Channel" that has no defense for the lunacy it represents and must resort to ad hominem attacks to justify their own unhappy existence. I am sorry you find the real truth about the Watchtower something that leaves you with no option but to attack the bearer of such bad news with insults. That sort of behavior only reinforces exactly what this video exposes.
@propagandatechniques If someone were to say they were proud to be African American and another person said "good for you. If you need help escaping your heritage so you can become Westernized, give me a shout", I would say the same thing to that person: "you are awful." You say I'm "attacking the bearer of such bad news", when in fact, my remark was in no defense of the Jehovah's Witness faith but to your utter indifference to someone's positive affirmation of who they are.
@keneconchumpow Can you explain how being African American would have anything to do with being in a mind controlling cult? What you've unknowingly done is compared apples to oranges. When you can show me how African Americans shun other African Americans that decide they no longer want to be African American, I'll entertain your idiotic comparison.
@propagandatechniques The Bible teaches us that humans are created with free will and the ability to choose our own paths in life, so what part of that is "mind controlling"? Besides, there's no such thing as "mind control". Ask Derren Brown or any hailed atheist. "Hypnosis" into believing or following something is completely false. We are all very much in charge of the actions we take. But in your universe, human beings are robots who can be "programmed" to live a certain way. Wake up.
@keneconchumpow Look at what you just wrote and then read it when you are sober. You are very much in charge of the actions you take? Tell that to the 12 year old JW girl who was raped repeatedly by her stepfather. When she tried to report it to the elders she was disbelieved and warned to keep quiet about it or face expulsion, losing all friends and family. Now, tell me how she's in charge of the actions she takes.
@keneconchumpow (part 2). In my universe, JWs, not ALL "human beings," are robots who ARE "programmed" to live a certain way. Now, go compare that to your comment and what you implied my world consists of.
@keneconchumpow (part 4) Here's where you fail to think clearly: You state the bible teaches blah blah blah, asking what part of that is mind controlling, hoping to get a desired answer. This is called "begging the question." Now, if you were to ask it this way, "The Bible teaches us that humans are created with free will and the ability to choose our own paths in life, so how does the Watchtower Society deprive their members of this God given right," this would NOT be "begging the question."
@keneconchumpow (part 5) Your weak argument can be varied like this: You state, "The bible teaches us that man is created with two legs and the ability to walk, so what part of that is mind controlling," failing to comprehend that if the Watchtower Society is cutting peoples' legs off, the bible becomes irrelevant to the argument. Can you comprehend what I just explained to you?
@keneconchumpow (part 6) Final thought - What you've done is called "false comparison." You've compared Watchtower mind control tactics with something completely irrelevant the Bible states, somehow disqualifying, in your mind only, any evidence suggesting contrary to your preconceived belief. This is typical of someone raised in the bifurcated environment of the Watchtower Society. I like to call it "mind blanking." It's this ability to blank out evidence with, in this case, a bible scripture.
@megthepearl You don't have to be aggressive or disruptive to be disfellowshipped. All you have to do is express disagreement with watchtower teachings to others in the congregation, if you continue to do this you will be disfellowshipped and then shunned. Try telling others in the congregation that you don't agree with the new 'generation' interpretation or you don't believe Jesus came back in 1914 and then see what happens.
Your hypothetical questions are inane. If a person decides that they dont agree with JW teachings, they certainly wouldnt want to continue to associating. That is unless you like to eat food that you dont like. They have the option of either formally disassociating themself or just l leaving. They would then be labeled as an apostate which means to have abandoned a previous loyalty. You were asking dumb questions hoping to get a dumb answer. you succeeded in the first part
@stonewallgregg I got the answers I wanted. If a person chooses to worship God in any other way than what is mandated by the JW handlers, they are to be shunned. So much for freedom of worship. Your comments confirm this and will help drive even more people away from ever being recruited into it. Thank you. Please keep this fact in mind: Christ's true disciples don't have to hide their identities; here or anywhere. Satan is the god of darkness. JWs on youtube hide in darkness. Keep hiding.
@propagandatechniques I believe the question concerning Christ having returned in 1914 is utter blasphemy. Do you have more questions I could use to debunk this false religion? Yeshua/Jesus is the only true witness to what God the Father was doing, is doing and will do. There are also false teachings in Christianity that makes it Pagan. Besides God has more than one name and to call Him by only one name is an attempt to restrict His attributes.
@papaking12 Yes, if you look at my playlists, I ask some questions that Jehovah's Witnesses will hhhave trouble answering. Also, see my video "Deprogramming Jehovah's Witnesses 1."
@papaking12 Yes, if you look at my playlists, I ask some questions that Jehovah's Witnesses will have trouble answering. Also, see my video "Deprogramming Jehovah's Witnesses 1."
No question is dumb.If he wants to know, he wants to know..its simple as that.Jehovas witnesses want to preach about their religion, then answer the damn questions then.,.But those who refuse to answer the right answer are disloyal to their religion..remember that
You have to be very very aggressive and disruptive with your disagreements to be disfellowshipped. My brother wanted to be disfellowshipped so bad he finally walked into a kingdom hall smoking a cigarette. However, now, in true apostate form, he accuses us of alienating him.
I've been accused of lying by 'this' particular apostate too. Ignore him and examine a trees own leaves. (Our Publications.) Ask for the requirements brochure. Regards.
@megthepearl How about making a video proving you are not under the mind control of your handlers? That should do it; JWs hide their identities on youtube. Former members have NO problem showing who they are. Your handlers are liars. You're the charlatan that hides your identity - not so-called apostates. Prove me wrong.
@stonewallgregg Yeah; and, when you can name the propagandists in the "writing department" manipulating your mind with hogwash, you and everyone else will know who the so-called "Faithful and Discreet Slave Class" REALLY is. Jesus taught of the blind leading the blind; I teach of the mystery men leading the dolts.
@propagandatechniques Well you could have made this a lot easier by saying that the Faithful slave is you and everybody else obeying Jesus' teachings. And that being the case, you and all other followers have been put in charge over all his houshold, giving others their food at the proper time and you will be set in charge over all of his goods. You could have made it a lot easier by saying that you are one of the many members of the slave class. you should make a video about that
Since the WTS handlers claim APOSTATES hide who they are on the internet, how about YOU make a video showing who YOU are; for, as it stands, the only ones evidenced hiding their identities are wayward JWs, slyly defying their handlers here. Any takers? Any of you dubs care to take me up on this challenge?
@stonewallgregg As you read through all I said to you here, keep this in mind: Logical fallacies control the JWs minds. Google "logical fallacies" and find out whose comments are REALLY inane. "Do not go after them" (Lu 21:8).
Well that really clarifies who the FDS is and I'm sure that everybody who reads your answer will have total understanding of who Jesus was talking about that would be dispensing spiritual feeding and appointed over all his belongings. What a tremendous and comprehensive explanation, typical of the spiritual giant you must be Its the moonies
Well that really clarifies who the FDS is and I'm sure that everybody who reads your answer will have total understanding of who Jesus was talking about that would be dispensing spiritual feeding and appointed over all his belongings. What a tremendous and comprehensive explanation, typical of the spiritual giant you must be
Well that really clarifies who the FDS is and I'm sure that everybody who reads your answer will have total understanding of who Jesus was talking about that would be dispensing spiritual feeding and appointed over all his belongings. What a tremendous and comprehensive explanation, typical of most spiritual giaints
@stonewallgregg Your mind is made up the FDS is a literal application. That comes from years of being told it is a literal application. When the idea hits you that the application was symbolic of anyone obeying Christ's teachings, you'll probably graduate to a higher rank within the environment, securing your future of servitude to "slaves."
I am under absolutely no obligation to answer the question since i'm the one who asked it. And i guess youve answered according what you believe, that its an illustration, nothing more. You certainly didnt give an answer as to what it was an ilustration of. If your interpretation of things in the Bible are that they are illustrations without giving application, well I couldnt judge your answer as having a whole lot of depth. Care to try again for all your faithful follwers?
@stonewallgregg I'm sorry; I'll be more specific: It's an illustration that your handlers use to empower themselves over lemmings comparable to how the Rev. Sun Myung Moon (ever hear of him?) uses "the helper" scripture to apply to himself, opening the door to all types of further scriptural manipulations he uses to keep the Moonies' minds captive to a concept of crap. Now, your turn:
If Jesus said not to "go after" ones claiming they are "anointed" (Christos), are you his follower?
One thing ive never heard anybody from Christendom is answer or hardly even talk about is a question Jesus asked. "who really is the faithful and wise slave?"
Any takers? make sure to read the entire account in matt 24
I started reading Matthew 24 at your request and got stuck on this part:
Mt 24:5 "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive... Lu 21:8 Not therefore go you after them." (Emphatic Diaglott)
Also, I've never had any JWs explain to me how the so-called FDS CLASS has already been appointed over Christ's belongings, considering the fact the evil slave has not yet been cut off.
Any takers? Make sure you read Matthew 24:5 again.
@propagandatechniques OK. Its up to you to answer the question. Who is he faithful and discreet slave. Is it one person? is it a group or people? are they to appear in the future? what will they be doing? And the order its presented....well is it only after the evil slave has been cut off? Or does Jesus find both slaves operating concurrently? Youre supposed to answer the question, which you didnt.
@stonewallgregg I'm not the one under so-called obligation to give a defense for my belief; you are. However, I will answer the question: The FDS was a simple illustration given by Christ - nothing more. You've allowed a band of nitwits in Brooklyn to hijack your mind with "mind cleansing."
"Minds must be cleansed and made over, mental circuits formed by old-world thinking and acting faded out and new ones put in according to new-world specifications" (Watchtower, June 1, 1953, p. 350 par. 24).
@propagandatechniques I'm glad you cited a 1952 WT. I often get a lot of information I know from the 1952 eycyclopedia britannica and i find the earlier editions very enlightening. Also I drive a 1924 model T. Not much in the world has changed since then so I frequently quote information from these older texts to make my points
@stonewallgregg (part 2) So, are you saying the "old light" from 1953 that is currently on the 2009 WT library is no longer "the truth"? If so, what teachings today that you muppets senselessly parrot will be "old light" in, let's say, 2053?
A person would never get baptized if he didnt totally agree on all the major fundamental doctrine that is taught by the organization. A person would be interested in what the WT says and therefore study it before making the dedication. There are very few 12 yr olds that get baptized. usually closer to the age late teens. If a person doesnt agree with the WT after a serious study, they would not get baptized. But it is possible to study just from the Bible without a study aid.
@stonewallgregg Is it possible that the teachings change after one of these people "totally agree" and they then blindly follow along with no free thought, "totally agreeing" merely to keep their families and friends?
You said "it is possible to study just from the Bible without a study aid":
Is it possible to study and become one of Jehovah's Witnesses without the bait switched "Organized to do Jehovah's Will" book where the new concept of "Faithful and Discreet Slave CLASS" is introduced?
@propagandatechniques@stonewallgregg There has been no major fundamental changes in WT teachings since I became one 25 yrs ago.. True, adjustments have been made, but these are very minor when compared with something like the trinity or the immortal soul. And a person who embraces the basic JW teachings will want to read WT publications. I have experienced no baiting and switching. Men arent perfect and make mistakes which the brothers in NY will readily admit.
@stonewallgregg Wait just a minute - you're saying that "men arent [sic] perfect and make mistakes"? But I thought they were God's so-called "channel of communication." I have news for you: Christ WAS supposedly perfect and JWs are being misled by "imperfect" men that use him to forward their agenda. Are the handlers being led by God's holy spirit or a carefully guarded textbook called "Shepherd the Flock of God"? When you can answer that one, get back to me.
@stonewallgregg (part 2) No major fundamental teachings have changed in the last 25 years? I guess you were sleeping during the "generation" revision of 2010 where your top handler Rutherford's false prophecy that "Millions Now Living WILL Never Die" was cleverly switched to "Millions Now Living MAY Never Die" right before your eyes. If that doesn't snap you out of it, I'm not sure anything I say will. The only thing your being in it 25yrs tells me is that you're next to impossible to deprogram.
@TheBobbyJohnson I see Psalm 83:18 - It says "Whose name is Jehovah . . ." Oh my God! Now I'm convinced Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth! This reasoning proved it to me! What was I thinking? It says so right there in the bible! God's name! Now, if only someone can explain to me why Jehovah decided to kill the eight day old child of David and Bathsheba, a poor kid that did nothing wrong, I might actually follow the Watchtower again like a lost puppy.
"At times [a Jehovah's Witness who takes the witness stand in court] may prefer to refuse to speak and suffer the consequences rather than betray his brothers or the interests of God's work. "hiding the truth, which he is not entitled to know, from an enemy does not harm him"So in time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary, it does much good." (The Watchtower May 1st 1957 Issue, Page 285)
A lie is a false statement made by one to another one who is ENTITLED TO HEAR and to know the truth, and which false statement tends to work injury to the other. A false statement made for the purpose of deceiving and working injury to another is a deliberate and malicious lie." (Riches Book, 1936, Page 177)
If you are a true believer and want to know the truth, just get rid of the watchtower, get rid of the awake mag. and just stick to the word (bible) the original. Not the trans version, the nwt bible which were translated by unknown unlearned (greek shcolars)
@youngeez "Truth" is a buzz word to dubs. They also use the term "present truth," as if truth changes. If you have the WT library, search "present truth."
As an ex-jw myself, I think it's unfair to get on JW to answer for all of them. The guy was right, it's not his call to judge someone.
My mother and two older brothers are still JWs and I love and respect them, though I disagree with them about the existence of God. Any ex-jw who has ill feelings towards witnesses probably has the problem.
@andydeee Anyone that leaves this cult and still apologizes for it is still under its mind cleansing control.
"Minds must be cleansed and made over, mental circuits formed by old-world thinking and acting faded out and new ones put in according to new-world specifications" (Watchtower, June 1, 1953, p. 350 par. 24).
@mzbamachictou JWs follow men that claim to be "anointed" (Christos) who use shunning as a weapon to force people to remain inside the cult. Fifteen years is enough fully trying for me. Have a good time recruiting people. I'll have more fun deprogramming people whose heads get screwed up by the Watchtower psychobabble crap..
@andydeee The fact is he was dumbfound when he realised that he could NOT in fact study the bible without the aid of the watchtower publications, I wonder did he realize at that moment that he was in fact studying THE WATCHTOWER.
Don't blame Jehovah for what people do. Don't blame Jehovah for what religion does either. Many became apostates, because they didn't like an Elder or didn't like being told not to have sex before marriage. This shows that the person never really loved Jehovah. So far it works, because then they become Apostates, just as the Bible says. Playing with words gets you nowhere. Bible Aids help and we all need help. The fact you can't see that means you belong exactly where you are. On the outside.
@CouldBePublishing Yep, and you're on the inside - the inside of a destructive cult. Have fun in your microcosmic world of make believe, banging on doors praying for a new face - ANY face; someone you can love bomb.
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I am going to be blunt here! You can like it or hate it I do not give a crap! The jehovah's witness organization is an insidious and dangerous cult. The only difference between it and the taliban are the guns and bombs. Both have fanatical agendas of forcing their religious crap on the rest of the world. I chased the bastards off my property and said that I would meet them with a shotgun if they return. They have ruined so many peoples lives with their insidious brain washing
666mr1 3 weeks ago
THE "TRUTH" THAT WILL SET YOU FREE, has enslaved you into an insidious Cult.
666mr1 3 weeks ago
Omg im so sorry to say I am currently one of Jehovah's Witnesses and the brother responses wasnt honest...very misleading n dishonest sorry. Its obvious the interviewer knew the answers to the questions so why didnt the brother pick up on that he made a fool of himself.
Privateaudition1986 1 month ago
@Privateaudition1986 I am the interviewer and am very surprised you are willing to admit the dishonesty in what you are seeing. You are indeed a rare person. Thank you for your honesty.
Craig
propagandatechniques 1 month ago
@idobelieveinyou09
Do all Jehovah's Witnesses agree with the following Watchtower teaching earthwide?
"Did you know, for example, that mothers and fathers who stroke the genitals of their fretful babies to keep them quiet are unwittingly encouraging them to become masturbators later on?" (Watchtower, Sept 15, 1973, p. 568, par. 6)
Would stroking the genitalia of fretful infants be considered child molestation, and if so, why does the Watchtower not mention this?
propagandatechniques 2 months ago
I was a witness when I was young. I quit going when I was young because the Witnesses did predict the end of the system of things. I think it was around 1966. I have been trying to find that article. Every time I search, it is not found, so obviously, it is being blocked. I may have been young and foolish, but my understanding was Matthew 24:38..."No one knows, not the angels, not even the son, but the father only.." So where did anyone have the right to predict the end....?
venosmit 5 months ago
@venosmit They've been claiming since their inception that the end is right around the corner. Jesus addressed this when he said;
"Look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name [Jesus], saying, 'I am he,' and, 'The due time has approached.' Do not go after them" (Luke 21:8)
Here's one example:
"The time is short, the final end of this system of things is near; consequently there is no time for hesitation, timidity or inactivity" (w51 9/1 p. 520).
Notice the date.
propagandatechniques 5 months ago
honestly ive found a lot of videos like this in where the JWS dont have an answer for whoever is asking the questions....but i too was raised around them, and i used to b one of them...and i know ministers from JWS who would debate every topic about it and would answer every question without hesitating, idk why these ones ive found look like they r just starting to learn about it too
Mplaysbeatlab 7 months ago
@Mplaysbeatlab One of the reasons they appear like they cannot answer is because we ask a series of questions designed specifically to cause a contradiction in their thinking. Eventually we paint them into a corner from which they cannot escape without employing another propaganda stunt, such as moving the goalposts, or inserting a red herring. Ones skilled in the use of logical fallacies will attempt to answer, but will eventually fail when the fallacies are then identified to them.
propagandatechniques 7 months ago
@Mplaysbeatlab Funny he didnt mention LOVE as a criteria for being a JW.
girlznguitarz 6 months ago
I appreciate my brothers and sisters (most of the time), but when that other brother came in saying he wanted to see the interview really annoyed me. why was he so nosy? but yet, he didn't want his face on camera. he was probably trying to see if the original brother could hold his own, but still, he's a grown man. he doesn't need you to come to the rescue in case he chokes. thats what irritates me about some witnesses...ppl will get the impression that we have bodyguards
deekid311 7 months ago
yes study of the watchtower is mandatory if you want to be a jw. even non jws know that, he lied 100% about that, why wouldnt he just tell the truth, he say how can i put this, he just couldnt bring himself to answer the question, brainwashed
llandod77 8 months ago
So many haters of JWs. . . If society dislike these ppl so much why don't they show them love instead? Some of the biggest "haters" out there toward these people are people professing to call themselves "people for Jesus" or, "Christians". Jesus said you should love your enemies. If JWs are that bad, and if you call yourself a "true" Christian, then love them instead of defacing them. BTW, Jesus also said his "true" followers would be hated and suffer persecution.
syneMeUp 8 months ago
@syneMeUp I love when dub excusers come on here babbling about persecution, Jesus, blah blah blah . . I can then remind them of the words of their puppet handlers:
"It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false" (Nov. 15, 1963, Watchtower Magazine, p. 688, par. 3) . . .
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propagandatechniques 8 months ago
This video is both hilarious and painful. This parrot-robot, who at first thought he was speaking to an "interested person" (potential Witness), turned into a stammering idiot as soon as he realized he was talking to someone who was not only familiar with Witness practice but was about to catch him in a lie.
TheWriterWalker 8 months ago
Jehovah's witnesses are being "Entrapped" by this person, he doesn't reveal that he is part of a fourth gen watchtower ancestry......
In law Tim, they would call what you did here entrapment....Just saying princess....Now gimme a kiss ya big poof!
YAHWEHtoHELL 8 months ago
@YAHWEHtoHELL, sorry took so long to respond. I was on a 4 wk dick sucking binge.
Funny, I was just looking at a bunch of screen shots from a few years ago.
Hey, pal, remember that time you had 20 yt troll accounts (prolly still do), & you told my under age teen daughter you wanted to lick her cunt? That was so funny cuz you have a daughter, too. So cool!
Then I scared your pussy ass so shitless you actually deleted your original youtube account?
Yeah, good times :)
I won.
PublishingCult 7 months ago
@PublishingCult You won?.....No Timmy, i stayed, you went underground trolling the shit out of good people. If you call that a win, so be it. Your 22 year old "underaged" (lol) daughter prolly needs her cunt licked by a real fella before she choses your path and decides to lick carpet for the rest of her life....Be good LOSER :)
YAHWEHtoHELL 7 months ago
@YAHWEHtoHELL, lol, she was 16 at the time, and you new it. Is this your Aussie trash way of distracting from the apparent fact you are a pedophile, a gay-bashing bigot and homophobe, don't respect your wife, and pimp out your kids on youtube to get attention because you haven't the balls to put the bong and the booze down long enough to do something other than be the cliche apostate the gb of JW's warn the rank and file about?
Sure you wanna keep going, troll? :)
PublishingCult 7 months ago
@PublishingCult Angry little man aren't you? The people who know me on here, realize that what you are attempting by saying such rubbish, is due to your insecurity.
I have nothing to hide....Do you?
YAHWEHtoHELL 7 months ago
@PublishingCult Big tits for a 16 year old...Shit!
YAHWEHtoHELL 7 months ago
@YAHWEHtoHELL, I have screen shots of a few of your troll accounts, and how your trolled, spammed, harassed, and fucked over your friends here on youtube. Cook game . . . if you're 15 years old. If you can provide one ounce of evidence I have ever trolled a single person, present it. You are pointing your sad pathetic finger at me with four more fingers on the same hand pointing right back at you. Keep it up, asshole. I have given you enough space, and I am done taking your fucking shit.
PublishingCult 7 months ago
@PublishingCult So what Tim? You have shots of some other accounts i had 4 years ago....Good on you mate, you're a superstar WINNER!!!! Is that what you need to hear peanut?
Going to an assembly and trying to shame your own cousin, and attempt to expose some of his personal details on the internet, is what i consider to be desperate, weak, and outright shameful........Mr Perfect!
YAHWEHtoHELL 7 months ago
JW's are like mindless robots. I was brought up in that crazy belief system. They have an obsession with the NWO just like the Illuminati and free masons do. They are programmed to be slaves for the governing body and they do not realize that they have been severely brainwashed. They are preparing for the NWO alright! Their bible is a contradiction to their own belief. They baptize people in the name of Jehovah and their organization. But tell them to read the book of Matthew in their bible.
mrs12mrs14mrs80 8 months ago
@mrs12mrs14mrs80 What did you find particularly helpful in the book of Matthew?
propagandatechniques 8 months ago
@propagandatechniques What I found interesting in the book of Matthew is Matthew 28:19,20. Jehovah's Witnesses baptize people in the name of Jehovah and their organization and in the holy bible and their bible the NWT, it states that Jesus commanded the disciples after his Resurrection, to go out and baptize others in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy spirit. JW'S can not deny that it says that and their own bible contradicts them.
mrs12mrs14mrs80 8 months ago
@propagandatechniques I want one JW to tell me that it does not say that in Matthew 28:19,20. And oh by the way where does it ever say in any book of the bible to baptize an individual in the name of an organization?
mrs12mrs14mrs80 8 months ago
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@propagandatechniques I want one JW to tell me that it does not say that in Matthew 28:19,20. And oh by the way where does it ever say in any book of the bible to baptize an individual in the name of an organization?
mrs12mrs14mrs80 8 months ago
I agree, this man is evading. And most my family members are JW. I'm Muslim, altought my family is JW they do not shun me. Which I think is a mercy from God to them. Their bond of brotherhood and family is stronger than JW beliefs. However, I know most JW aren't like that and will shun all disbelievers. But, yes, this guys definitely is evading the question and is trying to come up with an answer that is not going to make him look stupid and like a liar. Peace be with them.
IsaHamzaBilal 8 months ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
A fine balance between evasion of the truth and outright lying.
Well Done!
Senior JWs have it down to a science.
After 20-30 years of brainwashing they can look in your eyes and tell you anything except the truth.
I have known these people for decades and they are all the same.
The up-side is that the Watchtower Society is nearly in freefall when it come to loss of active membership.
It won't disappear altogether but it won't be a factor in anything meaningful.
JWs can safely be ignored.
hammerogod 9 months ago
@throwyourburden If what you say is true that Jehovah will never stop loving me, are you saying the Watchtower Society is lying when they call me an "apostate" that has no hope for the future?
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@throwyourburden Um, actually, where I am from the schools hang posters of pedophiles on the bulletin boards and notify parents by mail when one moves in the area; so, your logic is flawed on that one.
"With your line of reasoning you would not take your child anywhere."
With my line of reasoning, the elders keep the information contained among themselves in order to give the nutty cult a pristine appearance to the unsuspecting members; therefore, I would never take my child to a kingdom hall.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@throwyourburden Then, if pedophiles can be reinstated in the "imperfect man" organization without the other members being aware of it, why would I want to bring my children there?
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@throwyourburden You are speaking inferentially. In other words, you are making inferences without supportive facts when you mention my supposedly being scarred. Again, back to beards (sidestepping ad hominem attack): Can a male adult Jehovah's Witness where a beard and give parts in the meetings? Yes or no? Can a man in the Watchtower Society wear a beard and engage in the formal door to door ministry? Yes or no? If not, please support this tenet with bible scriptures. Thank you.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@throwyourburden (part 2) If you understand, what publishingcult did was ask him simple, easy to answer questions, then walked him into the trap of bad logic and fallacious reasoning the Watchtower is structured on. That is why it appeared this "poor man" was ambushed. I have a question for you: Can a pedophile be "reinstated" in another hall, unbeknown to the nominal members? Yes or no? Before answering, be advised: I spent 15 years in it and know the answer; so, don't lie (see other comment).
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@throwyourburden Does this man gain permission before stepping on private property? Everything JWs do, how they dress, what they eat, what they drink, must first be verified with "light" from the
Watchtower Society. It's damned sick for sure, but thanks for your opinion. I'd challenge you to show me where men wearing beards is somehow disapproved in the bible but I would not want to short circuit your already frayed wiring.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
love how this guy got stuck on your question. good job interviewing. Maybe you got this guy on the road to critical thinking, something we never were allowed to do in the org.
amsevensix 10 months ago
who is making this vid / whats the point .
hujjesb 10 months ago
@hujjesb Talk to the youtube user, publishingcult. The point seems to be that this "brother" realizes that stereotyping former members is wrong and denies participating in such behavior, although most members know he's fibbing. Now if we can just get his handlers, the so-called "anointed" to come to the same conclusion. Any ideas?
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@propagandatechniques yes I have a good idea ,.the publishingcult guy who is asking the JW all these questions should go and get a hobby / job/ do anything rather than spending time trying to put other people and there beliefs down what a sad empty life he must have . if he dont argee with JWs thats fine .however why is he taking all this onboard ,I think the JW is a nice guy ,.If it had been me ,I would have told publishingcult sado to piss off .
hujjesb 10 months ago
@hujjesb "if he dont argee with JWs thats fine however why is he taking all this onboard."
I would think it is because he thinks the JW religion is a destructive cult that breaks up families and friendships. That would be my guess. Some people try to pretend the JW religion is a one big happy family. Others with experience know that they are actually forcing the members to stay in it; for, if any try to get out of it to become a different faith, they are stereotyped "apostate," and shunned.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@propagandatechniques..look if he thinks the JWs is a destructive cult fine .well thats his view, its not mine or most other peoples .WHAT some people think JWs is a big happy family..who cares,, people like yourselfs do nothing in this world except cause bother ,just leave other people at peace .why dont you take up golf or anything ,,I guess you have too much time on your hands .how sad dont you have nothing else to fill your time ,please its a big world out there go and do or acheve anything.
hujjesb 10 months ago
@hujjesb That's funny. Do you prejudge everything and everyone? I am currently a business owner and enrolled in college with a 4.0 Grade Point Average, in the 100 percentile of my school. Now, what possesses you to think you must give me direction in life? I will deprogram as many victims of the Watchtower Society that I can; and, quite frankly, I do not give a crap what anyone thinks about that. By the way - golf is for pussies.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@propagandatechniquesMan you are one Norman Bates . if your a business owner what are you doing all this shit for ..What victims of the watchtower ,..man your a sad sad person .you got to be the most crazy person I have seen on tube ..do you make bombs in your empty life to pass the time ,your just full off HATE ,
hujjesb 10 months ago
@hujjesb These are typical judgments the Watchtower Society seems to foster among its members. It is unfortunate to see so many like yourself that cannot formulate free thoughts. The only defense to the facts I present about this destructive cult that destroys families and friendships is to name call and attack the messenger. Then, the most amusing accusation of all is that I am full of hate. If you saw all the messages I get personally thanking me on a daily basis you would eat your words.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@hujjesb (part 2)
"What victims of the watchtower ,.."
All men, women, and children trapped inside of it for fear of facing social destruction at one thought terminating command from the handlers - "apostate."
"man your a sad sad person ."
I am actually quite happy in deprogramming ones like you.
"you got to be the most crazy person I have seen on tube .."
This is based on years of imprinting from your handlers to not think outside the WT box.
"your just full off HATE"
Again, more imprinting.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@propagandatechniques again mr hate / your one sicko /what a sad guy ,go back to your bomb making.
hujjesb 10 months ago
@hujjesb That's all you know; name calling and false accusations. You cannot refute anything I say in my videos.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
If you disagreed about 1914, you would have to do further research into the bible. We have very thorough proofs from the bible for every teaching we have. It does take time to explain the teachings, as the bible has over 1500 pages and many thousands of scriptures. It takes time to look up and see the truth of God. Jehovah is God Almighty. Look in your dictionary (about 1/2 I've seen have it in there). Jw's put God's name back in bible where it belongs. God uses imperfect humans to preach
eternityandforever 10 months ago
@eternityandforever The beginning of the 1914 timeline begins at the year 607BCE. Please show me one source that can verify the 607 date outside of "God's arrangement." Do you know what you will learn? None exist. The 607 date was made up by the Watchtower Society handlers to place themselves in power over unsuspecting dubs like you.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
I Believe it is the truth, And it is the truth! No one has the rights to mock or abuse JW's, If they don't do It to you, or other religions! JW's Accept what other people may Believe and they respect That!
Lauren50381 10 months ago
@Lauren50381 Yeah, right - unless of course the other people believing a different way are former JWs; then, of course, they shun the crap out of those people.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@propagandatechniques No they don't. And how do you know if they are lying?!
Lauren50381 10 months ago
@Lauren50381 Um, because I was in it fifteen years, baptized, ministerial servant, full-time pioneer and walked right out when I realized the ones running it were no more "anointed" than the man on the moon. They're lying about that and they are lying when they tell you the elders' appointment comes from God. Last time I checked, the branch committee that appoints the ones to elder position are not God - are they?
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@Lauren50381 Um, because I was in it fifteen years, baptized, ministerial servant, full-time pioneer and walked right out when I realized the ones running it were no more "anointed" than the man on the moon. They're lying about that and they are lying when they tell you the elders' appointment comes from God. Last time I checked, the branch committee that appoints the ones to elder position are not God - are they?
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@Lauren50381 you have no right to put everyone else religions to dust by saying JW's speak the truth and is the truth.... im roman catholic and would not dream to say i am absouloutly right and you are wrong. JW's used to (remember the word USED to)knock at my door and they would quote things out of the bible and if someone in my house proved them wrong guess what they shut up for 30 seconds tried the quote again then would storm away in hush.
bradfordbulls4lyf 10 months ago
@bradfordbulls4lyf Your right. im sorry, i mean't to put it in this way: It's what I believe. I hope i haven't caused any trouble among us! :)
Lauren50381 10 months ago
@Lauren50381 no trouble among us at all
bradfordbulls4lyf 10 months ago
You did set up a fraud not JW this guy? Wow you really do not know how to put us down but still you are trying to put JW down, We leave this to our God Jehovah, you will never win you John 8: 44 !
smagisa 11 months ago
@smagisa Mi amor, que sigue el llamado "ungido"? Usted o yo?
"Muchos de venga en el nombre de mí, diciendo: Yo soy el Ungido, y engañarán a muchos" (Mt. 24:5). . . "No es por lo tanto ir tras ellos" (Lucas 21:8). (Diaglotón enfático).
propagandatechniques 11 months ago
@smagisa, well, I just did something your God could not prevent; I demonstrated how JW's will lie without hesitation to cover up and protect unScriptural doctrine and destructive behavior. Between PropTechniques and my channel, thousands have already seen this demonstrated openly and honestly. The organization exists not by God's protection, but by the billion a year that pours into the org from 7.2 million JW's coerced into donating funds and peddling WT publications at their own expense. FACT
PublishingCult 10 months ago
how do you know that the one using profanity is one of Jehovha's Witness, how do we know that you set this all up to make the witnesses look bad, because I can very vividly remember when I first tried to go to my first assembly the Apostates were standing in front of Convention holding what looked like an awake magazine, but was a fake one trying to get me to read the same old false doctrines i was being taught by the Catholic church which i just left. Nothing surprises me with all the Deceit
jazzbassf 11 months ago
@jazzbassf To pull something like this off would be rather expensive and time consuming, that's how come we know this is a set up. This guy is a pawn of the Roman Catholic church, that's how come he can afford to pay off nearly 100 extras in this setup! Praise Jehovah!
smigasa 11 months ago
@smigasa Lol!
propagandatechniques 11 months ago
@smigasa, your theory is creative, imaginative, and amusing. If you look at my channel, you will see I posted this video the same day it was recorded during the 2010 District Convention of JW's in San Diego, CA. (May 28, 2010 09:43 PM) From about 4:47 you can see literally thousands of JW's walking around during lunch break, lol, not to mention thousands of cars parked in the lot. I'm an xJW. I'm an atheist. I don't need the Cath Chrch to do what I quite simply did, which was ask questions.
PublishingCult 10 months ago
@joepublisher1 look you dumb fuck for wat i know .... if you have a camara why in the fuck would you even have one in the first place????? if you are interested... you dont need a camara... so if you do have one and ur asking this questions you are trying (most likely) to be a smart ass) so this people rather get away from your nonsense than argue with you.. if there is no interest fuck off!!!!! its common sense.
Davidm5m3 11 months ago
@Davidm5m3 I'm assuming of course that you are not a Jehovah's Witness, but rather someone pretending to be a JW? Perhaps just to make them look bad?
TheSnarkyApologist 11 months ago
You put him on the spot, you do not realise. If you did not change your mind about how you felt about the watchtower then the elders would get involved and talk to you, if you still did not believe in what jehovahs witnesses would teact, then yes you would become disfellowshipped and you would not be able to associate with any of them as you have doubts and you do not belive what is being told. I know you think he was lying but i really think you put him on the spot, it is hard being video'd.
AModernFloral 1 year ago
@AModernFloral Actually he caught himself in a lie. Putting him on the spot is not an accurate assessment. He just got done saying "you can do what you want," indicating that the organization is liberal in its requirements. Then, when challenged, he knew he couldn't further his lie. Please stop being disingenuous. I'm going to send you another video with a similar reaction.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@AModernFloral, every JW knows the answer to the questions posed to this JW Elder. The camera didn't put him on the spot, the questions did, yet he couldn't answer as you did above. All the WTS does is publish literature. He couldn't remember what those pubs were called or what they were for? LOL, right. The conflict came when there was a distinction made between studying the Bible and studying WT publications which is strictly imposed by the WT on its members and newly interested ones.
PublishingCult 10 months ago
lol, wow; however, we have to convert these people and quick, excellent reporting, GOD Speed.
mrsgmason 1 year ago
When people refuse independent corroboration of their claims for vague reasons, it's reasonable to assume that the facts are not on their side.
EelSacul 1 year ago
@joepublisher1 Just think, any weekend any one of us can go to an assembly hall near us and get one of these unsuspecting people on camera this very same way - because they do not heed their handlers' instructions not to be interviewed. That brother setting up the camera had a disgruntled look on his face. I wonder what he thought when watching his video of this interview. How do they not see Mike lying about not calling ones that teach contrary things "apostate"? We all know he's lying.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Hey guys, in simple terms... Watchtower magazine just compiles the related versus on a topic for study from the bible. eg: if you show a graph to someone with just values, nobody will understand. You've got to put on text to explain want you are trying to say. And so does the watchtower magazine or any publication from the WT does. It DOESN't deviate anything from the BIBLE.
sdannyg 1 year ago
@sdannyg How hard is it to understand what the bible says without an entire book having to explain one text? You see, men that claim to be "anointed" use the BIBLE to support their agenda - not the other way around. You may believe the Watchtower uses their propaganda to support the bible; yet, I heed Christ's warning:
"Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive" (Mt 24:5) . . . "Not therefore go you after them" (Lu 21:8). (Emphatic Diaglott).
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@sdannyg AM DANNY AM WHAT A BEUTIFUL WAY TO PUT IT BROTHER
jazzbassf 11 months ago
@jazzbassf Whatever keeps the house of cards belief system from collapsing.
propagandatechniques 11 months ago
@ApriliaFalcoSlr1000 Good question; he's lying when he says Jehovah's Witnesses would not shun the interviewer or call him "apostate" for disagreeing with the Watchtower Society and teaching something contrary. The "brother" did not want to be quoted on camera admitting to what all Jehovah's Witnesses are very aware of, but would never tell a "newly interested" person being recruited.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques I do not see what he is lying about. An Apostate is not about disagreeing with a certain religious doctrine it is about promoting and teaching something that is agianst that doctrine. So he is not lying. I could be a JW and disagree with something that does not make me an apostate or get me shunned. But If I was to speak out against my fellow JW's and their teachings because I disagreeed with something, that then makes me an apostate.
Theytoldmetodoit1 1 year ago
@Theytoldmetodoit1 2:10 - "Just the bible." Lie. 2:21 - "Loss for words . . .wife calling." Lie. He would've answered. 2:43 - "Nothing's mandatory." Lie. They will not baptize someone that does not accept the propaganda. 3:07-3:26 - "You can do what you want." Lie. Nobody becomes an ordained minister in the WTS without the publications. 3:19 - 3:47 - Total mind control. He can't answer because he painted himself into a corner with lies. 5:07 - "You could." Total lie.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques how do we know that the person you interviewed was really one of Jehovah's Witness or some one pretending to be one. Apostates have done this before pretending to be one of Jehovah's witnesses or maybe the Brother if he really was one of Jehovah's witnesses got nervous and was intimidated by the camera
jazzbassf 11 months ago
@jazzbassf Or maybe the brother was caught lying.
propagandatechniques 11 months ago
@jazzbassf, we was pretty proud and arrogant in front of the camera at first, obviously boastful. Pretty darn comfy. He got nervous when he was asked to answer simple direct straight-forward questions to which he lied. Nice try.
PublishingCult 10 months ago
there is a term for what the maker of this video did: entrapement. when you are putting someone under scruciny and edditing a video instead of posting the entire thing, it can't be taken as fact. And for your information, if you don't believe in what they say, you have no buisiness joining them you hypocritical ill informed person.
MrBlurrization 1 year ago
@MrBlurrization Fifteen years in it and having successfully escaped via leg chewing, I'm anything but ill informed. Go get your "mind cleansed" some more:
"Minds must be cleansed and made over" (Watchtower, June 1, 1953, p. 350 par. 24).
Don't forget to scrub behind the intero-temporal cortex. =)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
I was a "minister" with JW's for the first twenty years of my life, and when I left, absolutely nothing happened.
thimble288 1 year ago
@thimble288 You mean you weren't attacked by demons?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques I wish I had; that bit of excitement would have made up for countless hours being bored out of my mind at meetings.
thimble288 1 year ago
this guy is good , it really showed thats a cult ,
clients26 1 year ago
♥I'm glad for being Jehova's Witness.♥ =)
darnaree 1 year ago
@darnaree I'm glad for you too. When you need help escaping give a shout. =)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques You're awful.
keneconchumpow 1 year ago
@keneconchumpow What is awful is a representative of "God's Channel" that has no defense for the lunacy it represents and must resort to ad hominem attacks to justify their own unhappy existence. I am sorry you find the real truth about the Watchtower something that leaves you with no option but to attack the bearer of such bad news with insults. That sort of behavior only reinforces exactly what this video exposes.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques If someone were to say they were proud to be African American and another person said "good for you. If you need help escaping your heritage so you can become Westernized, give me a shout", I would say the same thing to that person: "you are awful." You say I'm "attacking the bearer of such bad news", when in fact, my remark was in no defense of the Jehovah's Witness faith but to your utter indifference to someone's positive affirmation of who they are.
keneconchumpow 1 year ago
@keneconchumpow Can you explain how being African American would have anything to do with being in a mind controlling cult? What you've unknowingly done is compared apples to oranges. When you can show me how African Americans shun other African Americans that decide they no longer want to be African American, I'll entertain your idiotic comparison.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques The Bible teaches us that humans are created with free will and the ability to choose our own paths in life, so what part of that is "mind controlling"? Besides, there's no such thing as "mind control". Ask Derren Brown or any hailed atheist. "Hypnosis" into believing or following something is completely false. We are all very much in charge of the actions we take. But in your universe, human beings are robots who can be "programmed" to live a certain way. Wake up.
keneconchumpow 1 year ago
@keneconchumpow Look at what you just wrote and then read it when you are sober. You are very much in charge of the actions you take? Tell that to the 12 year old JW girl who was raped repeatedly by her stepfather. When she tried to report it to the elders she was disbelieved and warned to keep quiet about it or face expulsion, losing all friends and family. Now, tell me how she's in charge of the actions she takes.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@keneconchumpow (part 2). In my universe, JWs, not ALL "human beings," are robots who ARE "programmed" to live a certain way. Now, go compare that to your comment and what you implied my world consists of.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@keneconchumpow "But in your universe, human beings are robots who can be "programmed" to live a certain way. Wake up."
The Watchtower handlers use a term quite frequently called "training." Bible TRAINED conscience. Ministerial TRAINING School.
Kindly explain the difference between TRAINING and PROGRAMMING.
Go back to sleep.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@keneconchumpow (part 4) Here's where you fail to think clearly: You state the bible teaches blah blah blah, asking what part of that is mind controlling, hoping to get a desired answer. This is called "begging the question." Now, if you were to ask it this way, "The Bible teaches us that humans are created with free will and the ability to choose our own paths in life, so how does the Watchtower Society deprive their members of this God given right," this would NOT be "begging the question."
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@keneconchumpow (part 5) Your weak argument can be varied like this: You state, "The bible teaches us that man is created with two legs and the ability to walk, so what part of that is mind controlling," failing to comprehend that if the Watchtower Society is cutting peoples' legs off, the bible becomes irrelevant to the argument. Can you comprehend what I just explained to you?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@keneconchumpow (part 6) Final thought - What you've done is called "false comparison." You've compared Watchtower mind control tactics with something completely irrelevant the Bible states, somehow disqualifying, in your mind only, any evidence suggesting contrary to your preconceived belief. This is typical of someone raised in the bifurcated environment of the Watchtower Society. I like to call it "mind blanking." It's this ability to blank out evidence with, in this case, a bible scripture.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@megthepearl You don't have to be aggressive or disruptive to be disfellowshipped. All you have to do is express disagreement with watchtower teachings to others in the congregation, if you continue to do this you will be disfellowshipped and then shunned. Try telling others in the congregation that you don't agree with the new 'generation' interpretation or you don't believe Jesus came back in 1914 and then see what happens.
greg27zz 1 year ago
TALKING ON THE PHONE WHILE DOING
AN INTERVIEW, ISN´T THAT RUDE OR
LACK OF MANNERS ?
IGOROZKARSKY 1 year ago
"Is it hot in here or is my religion just a cult?"
TheBromandude 1 year ago
Your hypothetical questions are inane. If a person decides that they dont agree with JW teachings, they certainly wouldnt want to continue to associating. That is unless you like to eat food that you dont like. They have the option of either formally disassociating themself or just l leaving. They would then be labeled as an apostate which means to have abandoned a previous loyalty. You were asking dumb questions hoping to get a dumb answer. you succeeded in the first part
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg I got the answers I wanted. If a person chooses to worship God in any other way than what is mandated by the JW handlers, they are to be shunned. So much for freedom of worship. Your comments confirm this and will help drive even more people away from ever being recruited into it. Thank you. Please keep this fact in mind: Christ's true disciples don't have to hide their identities; here or anywhere. Satan is the god of darkness. JWs on youtube hide in darkness. Keep hiding.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques I believe the question concerning Christ having returned in 1914 is utter blasphemy. Do you have more questions I could use to debunk this false religion? Yeshua/Jesus is the only true witness to what God the Father was doing, is doing and will do. There are also false teachings in Christianity that makes it Pagan. Besides God has more than one name and to call Him by only one name is an attempt to restrict His attributes.
papaking12 1 year ago
@papaking12 Yes, if you look at my playlists, I ask some questions that Jehovah's Witnesses will hhhave trouble answering. Also, see my video "Deprogramming Jehovah's Witnesses 1."
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@papaking12 Yes, if you look at my playlists, I ask some questions that Jehovah's Witnesses will have trouble answering. Also, see my video "Deprogramming Jehovah's Witnesses 1."
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg
No question is dumb.If he wants to know, he wants to know..its simple as that.Jehovas witnesses want to preach about their religion, then answer the damn questions then.,.But those who refuse to answer the right answer are disloyal to their religion..remember that
morgall 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg ....HAHAHA I think the questions were quite intelligent, actually... I was baptized at the age of TEN!!!
kristobetz 1 year ago
This man has told no lies.
You have to be very very aggressive and disruptive with your disagreements to be disfellowshipped. My brother wanted to be disfellowshipped so bad he finally walked into a kingdom hall smoking a cigarette. However, now, in true apostate form, he accuses us of alienating him.
I've been accused of lying by 'this' particular apostate too. Ignore him and examine a trees own leaves. (Our Publications.) Ask for the requirements brochure. Regards.
megthepearl 1 year ago
@megthepearl How about making a video proving you are not under the mind control of your handlers? That should do it; JWs hide their identities on youtube. Former members have NO problem showing who they are. Your handlers are liars. You're the charlatan that hides your identity - not so-called apostates. Prove me wrong.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
well that really clarifies who the FDS is and I'm sure that all who read your posting will now have a comprehensive understanding.
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg Yeah; and, when you can name the propagandists in the "writing department" manipulating your mind with hogwash, you and everyone else will know who the so-called "Faithful and Discreet Slave Class" REALLY is. Jesus taught of the blind leading the blind; I teach of the mystery men leading the dolts.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques Well you could have made this a lot easier by saying that the Faithful slave is you and everybody else obeying Jesus' teachings. And that being the case, you and all other followers have been put in charge over all his houshold, giving others their food at the proper time and you will be set in charge over all of his goods. You could have made it a lot easier by saying that you are one of the many members of the slave class. you should make a video about that
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg I have an idea:
Since the WTS handlers claim APOSTATES hide who they are on the internet, how about YOU make a video showing who YOU are; for, as it stands, the only ones evidenced hiding their identities are wayward JWs, slyly defying their handlers here. Any takers? Any of you dubs care to take me up on this challenge?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg As you read through all I said to you here, keep this in mind: Logical fallacies control the JWs minds. Google "logical fallacies" and find out whose comments are REALLY inane. "Do not go after them" (Lu 21:8).
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Well that really clarifies who the FDS is and I'm sure that everybody who reads your answer will have total understanding of who Jesus was talking about that would be dispensing spiritual feeding and appointed over all his belongings. What a tremendous and comprehensive explanation, typical of the spiritual giant you must be Its the moonies
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
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Well that really clarifies who the FDS is and I'm sure that everybody who reads your answer will have total understanding of who Jesus was talking about that would be dispensing spiritual feeding and appointed over all his belongings. What a tremendous and comprehensive explanation, typical of the spiritual giant you must be
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
Well that really clarifies who the FDS is and I'm sure that everybody who reads your answer will have total understanding of who Jesus was talking about that would be dispensing spiritual feeding and appointed over all his belongings. What a tremendous and comprehensive explanation, typical of most spiritual giaints
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg Your mind is made up the FDS is a literal application. That comes from years of being told it is a literal application. When the idea hits you that the application was symbolic of anyone obeying Christ's teachings, you'll probably graduate to a higher rank within the environment, securing your future of servitude to "slaves."
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
I am under absolutely no obligation to answer the question since i'm the one who asked it. And i guess youve answered according what you believe, that its an illustration, nothing more. You certainly didnt give an answer as to what it was an ilustration of. If your interpretation of things in the Bible are that they are illustrations without giving application, well I couldnt judge your answer as having a whole lot of depth. Care to try again for all your faithful follwers?
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg I'm sorry; I'll be more specific: It's an illustration that your handlers use to empower themselves over lemmings comparable to how the Rev. Sun Myung Moon (ever hear of him?) uses "the helper" scripture to apply to himself, opening the door to all types of further scriptural manipulations he uses to keep the Moonies' minds captive to a concept of crap. Now, your turn:
If Jesus said not to "go after" ones claiming they are "anointed" (Christos), are you his follower?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
One thing ive never heard anybody from Christendom is answer or hardly even talk about is a question Jesus asked. "who really is the faithful and wise slave?"
Any takers? make sure to read the entire account in matt 24
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg
I started reading Matthew 24 at your request and got stuck on this part:
Mt 24:5 "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive... Lu 21:8 Not therefore go you after them." (Emphatic Diaglott)
Also, I've never had any JWs explain to me how the so-called FDS CLASS has already been appointed over Christ's belongings, considering the fact the evil slave has not yet been cut off.
Any takers? Make sure you read Matthew 24:5 again.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques OK. Its up to you to answer the question. Who is he faithful and discreet slave. Is it one person? is it a group or people? are they to appear in the future? what will they be doing? And the order its presented....well is it only after the evil slave has been cut off? Or does Jesus find both slaves operating concurrently? Youre supposed to answer the question, which you didnt.
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg I'm not the one under so-called obligation to give a defense for my belief; you are. However, I will answer the question: The FDS was a simple illustration given by Christ - nothing more. You've allowed a band of nitwits in Brooklyn to hijack your mind with "mind cleansing."
"Minds must be cleansed and made over, mental circuits formed by old-world thinking and acting faded out and new ones put in according to new-world specifications" (Watchtower, June 1, 1953, p. 350 par. 24).
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques I'm glad you cited a 1952 WT. I often get a lot of information I know from the 1952 eycyclopedia britannica and i find the earlier editions very enlightening. Also I drive a 1924 model T. Not much in the world has changed since then so I frequently quote information from these older texts to make my points
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg Yep. In 1952 it was "mind cleansing." What's the terminology today since the "old light" bulb broke?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg (part 2) So, are you saying the "old light" from 1953 that is currently on the 2009 WT library is no longer "the truth"? If so, what teachings today that you muppets senselessly parrot will be "old light" in, let's say, 2053?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
A person would never get baptized if he didnt totally agree on all the major fundamental doctrine that is taught by the organization. A person would be interested in what the WT says and therefore study it before making the dedication. There are very few 12 yr olds that get baptized. usually closer to the age late teens. If a person doesnt agree with the WT after a serious study, they would not get baptized. But it is possible to study just from the Bible without a study aid.
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg Is it possible that the teachings change after one of these people "totally agree" and they then blindly follow along with no free thought, "totally agreeing" merely to keep their families and friends?
You said "it is possible to study just from the Bible without a study aid":
Is it possible to study and become one of Jehovah's Witnesses without the bait switched "Organized to do Jehovah's Will" book where the new concept of "Faithful and Discreet Slave CLASS" is introduced?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques @stonewallgregg There has been no major fundamental changes in WT teachings since I became one 25 yrs ago.. True, adjustments have been made, but these are very minor when compared with something like the trinity or the immortal soul. And a person who embraces the basic JW teachings will want to read WT publications. I have experienced no baiting and switching. Men arent perfect and make mistakes which the brothers in NY will readily admit.
stonewallgregg 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg Wait just a minute - you're saying that "men arent [sic] perfect and make mistakes"? But I thought they were God's so-called "channel of communication." I have news for you: Christ WAS supposedly perfect and JWs are being misled by "imperfect" men that use him to forward their agenda. Are the handlers being led by God's holy spirit or a carefully guarded textbook called "Shepherd the Flock of God"? When you can answer that one, get back to me.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@stonewallgregg (part 2) No major fundamental teachings have changed in the last 25 years? I guess you were sleeping during the "generation" revision of 2010 where your top handler Rutherford's false prophecy that "Millions Now Living WILL Never Die" was cleverly switched to "Millions Now Living MAY Never Die" right before your eyes. If that doesn't snap you out of it, I'm not sure anything I say will. The only thing your being in it 25yrs tells me is that you're next to impossible to deprogram.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
I don't understant the idea of this video, the man simply says 'you just go out and live your life.'
TheQara2000 1 year ago
@TheBobby Johnson: do you really think that God would make his message that difficult to understand?
funtimeusa 1 year ago
1914
BALLYJUNKIE 1 year ago
JEHOVAH'S ARE GOIN DOWN... it's terrible! they dont get it! =[
Xirokami 1 year ago
@TheBobbyJohnson I see Psalm 83:18 - It says "Whose name is Jehovah . . ." Oh my God! Now I'm convinced Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth! This reasoning proved it to me! What was I thinking? It says so right there in the bible! God's name! Now, if only someone can explain to me why Jehovah decided to kill the eight day old child of David and Bathsheba, a poor kid that did nothing wrong, I might actually follow the Watchtower again like a lost puppy.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
wowww that was excellent i would pay to see this done to a member of their governing body
plenty2say 1 year ago
"At times [a Jehovah's Witness who takes the witness stand in court] may prefer to refuse to speak and suffer the consequences rather than betray his brothers or the interests of God's work. "hiding the truth, which he is not entitled to know, from an enemy does not harm him"So in time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary, it does much good." (The Watchtower May 1st 1957 Issue, Page 285)
youngeez 1 year ago
A lie is a false statement made by one to another one who is ENTITLED TO HEAR and to know the truth, and which false statement tends to work injury to the other. A false statement made for the purpose of deceiving and working injury to another is a deliberate and malicious lie." (Riches Book, 1936, Page 177)
youngeez 1 year ago
” The Watchtower, September 1, 1979,
declared, “For nearly 60 years now the Jeremiah class [the Jehovah’s Witnesses]
have faithfully spoken forth Jehovah’s word” (p. 29).
youngeez 1 year ago
some things just dont change with the wt. they are told to lie (when it is nessessary) when someone undeserving of the truth.
youngeez 1 year ago
If you are a true believer and want to know the truth, just get rid of the watchtower, get rid of the awake mag. and just stick to the word (bible) the original. Not the trans version, the nwt bible which were translated by unknown unlearned (greek shcolars)
youngeez 1 year ago
why does every jwitness speak of the watchtower and tract society as the truth?
youngeez 1 year ago
@youngeez "Truth" is a buzz word to dubs. They also use the term "present truth," as if truth changes. If you have the WT library, search "present truth."
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
As an ex-jw myself, I think it's unfair to get on JW to answer for all of them. The guy was right, it's not his call to judge someone.
My mother and two older brothers are still JWs and I love and respect them, though I disagree with them about the existence of God. Any ex-jw who has ill feelings towards witnesses probably has the problem.
andydeee 1 year ago
@andydeee Anyone that leaves this cult and still apologizes for it is still under its mind cleansing control.
"Minds must be cleansed and made over, mental circuits formed by old-world thinking and acting faded out and new ones put in according to new-world specifications" (Watchtower, June 1, 1953, p. 350 par. 24).
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques look up wat cult is....pple who r n cults follow man, JW's follow Christ....Don't knock anything until u've fully tried it
mzbamachictou 1 year ago
@mzbamachictou JWs follow men that claim to be "anointed" (Christos) who use shunning as a weapon to force people to remain inside the cult. Fifteen years is enough fully trying for me. Have a good time recruiting people. I'll have more fun deprogramming people whose heads get screwed up by the Watchtower psychobabble crap..
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques look up wat cult is....pple who r n cults follow man, JW's follow Christ....Don't knock anything until u've fully tried it
mzbamachictou 1 year ago
@andydeee --no, the problem is calliing yourself a christian but dont teach what the bible says.
youngeez 1 year ago
@andydeee The fact is he was dumbfound when he realised that he could NOT in fact study the bible without the aid of the watchtower publications, I wonder did he realize at that moment that he was in fact studying THE WATCHTOWER.
fernastral 1 year ago
Don't blame Jehovah for what people do. Don't blame Jehovah for what religion does either. Many became apostates, because they didn't like an Elder or didn't like being told not to have sex before marriage. This shows that the person never really loved Jehovah. So far it works, because then they become Apostates, just as the Bible says. Playing with words gets you nowhere. Bible Aids help and we all need help. The fact you can't see that means you belong exactly where you are. On the outside.
CouldBePublishing 1 year ago
@CouldBePublishing Yep, and you're on the inside - the inside of a destructive cult. Have fun in your microcosmic world of make believe, banging on doors praying for a new face - ANY face; someone you can love bomb.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago