@Meowws its called a finger tip drag drill, its supposed to improve freestyle form by keeping the fingers near the water but not exactly touching which reduces drag and allows for more and longer strokes. Even pro swimmers have to work on developing good form in any stroke cause form can make or break a race.
I don't swim competitively, but it looks like his arm is out in front of him for so long because after he puts it in the water he stretches out forwards as far as possible to get a longer stroke
@will825x I swim competitively and we do this in practice, we call it "catch up" We call it this because one of your arms has to "catch up" to the other because you need to move. It teaches better arm movement to reach out more to get to the wall first. And it teaches better stroking techniques as well.
what i see here is that hes keeping his outstreched arm out in front of him until the other arm fully outstreatches then he brings the first arm back down when im swimming ive tried this and it doesnt seem as fast as how i usually swim
It is not illegal to breathe every time. You can breath as often as is comfortable for you. The only exception is breaststroke in which your head must break the surface of the water every time.
Also, make sure you are exhaling through your nose when your face is in the water; don't hold your breath.
he gets air afte every left stroke. is it a violation to the rules if i try to take air after a few more strokes? please help. i just started swimming.
Doing "s" pulls wastes milli-seconds that adds up to at least a second. I always just pull in all of my practices and races. I've tried the "s" pull at a race and my time was considerably slower than my races where I just pulled.
It's more than just an opinion: it's a fact. Logic tells us the "S" doesn't work. You went the extra step and tried it out anyways -- the results have spoken.
It's simple vector physics. A 9th grader could prove it to you. I'm certain Mike dropped the technique long ago, as have many swimmers and coaches across the world.
The author of this video drew the "S" as if it was unidimensional; and it wasn't. The elite have dropped the technique. It's "old-school."
Like I said - you're full of shit, unless you provide a reputable source. Why would I believe a shmuck posting on youtube videos over evidence from world-class swimmers?
And simplifying swimming down to the level of vectors is ridiculous.
"Why would I believe a shmuck...over evidence from world-class swimmers?"
Isn't denial the greatest feeling? My information is from the evidence. You can see it for yourself. The greats have dropped the technique. Swimming is evolving. Sorry, I know it hurts; you've been wasting your time. And I don't blame you, by all means, love your box. Just make sure it doesn't interfere with the elites.
It's the evidence I want you to post, not your smug opinion. I assume this has 'come out' in the last 9 months since this video was posted, so there must be articles about the important realisation all over the place? Where else would you have learnt it from? I await with anticipation.
I'm not a world class swimmer, and nor are you. My whole argument so far has been that I'm not going to take the word of some kid on youtube - so, for the 3rd or 4th time, post some source to your claim or any evidence it's true.
"I'm not a world class swimmer or hydrophysicist, my opinion means shit."
Translation: 'I don't know why I do it. I see my teammates do it, and I saw Michael Phelps do it in '04 and '08 -- though I don't know the logical basis behind why he did it (**cough** he's loping and the "S" pattern was for stability; this is specific to his old style of swimming **cough**), I'm still going to copy him. Besides, it looks cool, and I can feel more water, so I obviously must be going faster.'
I'm not going to spoon-feed you, you can do the research -- the information is out there. You're swimming in the past. Do you also want me to post a source on how to wipe your ass with toilet paper?
Haha! You're delusional. "Hey guys, I have this theory - I'm going to tell you all about it - X = Y!" "Why do you think that?" "I'M NOT GOING TO SPOONFEED YOU, RESEARCH IT YOURSELF".
You're the one trying to convince me, I don't really care about your opinions - you have to prove your worth, else you'll just be disregarded.
It's widely accepted that candy is bad for babies. It's NOT widely accepted that what you're saying is true. If I wanted to prove vegetables were bad for a baby - something that is not widely accepted - then I'd be expected to provide research to prove my point.
I'm actually in the "healthy scepticism/reliant on evidence to form opinions" phase. In the time you've spent mashing your keyboard to come up with these inane fallacies, you could have found some credible proof - if it were to exist.
It is widely accepted -- among experts, coaches, and elite swimmers. But you, like the baby, choose to remain in a box that was closed back in the 90s and taped shut in the early 00s. I wouldn't expect a baby to believe Santa wasn't real, either.
Ask your toddler friends for permission to leave. I'm sure they won't mind.
If it's widely accepted, it wont be hard for you to post a source then will it?
This is getting a little silly now... This will be my last post - I'll check your reply though, on the off chance you post some evidence to support your claims. I'm not holding out hope, you seem a little pompous and self-inflating, so I imagine it's all in your head. Bring on the baby analogies, you child.
Just watching some swimming vids when i came over this funny dude. Do you even know how stupid you sound? Seriously. This technique was long ago proven that it was less efficient than pulling you through a hole. And I dont even know how old you are becasue you are one of those f*ings anoying kiddos that says: Pics or it didnt happen or link pl0x. Now get your ass over to google and search. And just on a side note. I am a swimmer dont wanna say how good just saying.
This is the reason I don't listen to bullshit spouted by people on youtube videos:
"This technique was long ago proven that it was less efficient than pulling you through a hole."
No it hasn't - it's been shown have a significantly lower propelling efficiency. However, it does give more propelling thrust. Lactate levels and heart rate at high swim speeds are lower using an I-stroke (pulling through a hole, as you called it") than using a S-stroke
If you are such a baby. Just watch Grant Hackett or Kieren Perkins swim. You say the S curve is more efficient for longer distances. Well if dare to watch youll see. And wtf? I dont care what you think. But you will see my name up in light in a few years. And you + swimming= a really bad thing. YOU are one of those idiots on youtube that pretend to know anything at all in swimming. I'll not be responding. Cuz i got bettet things to do than prove a wannabe swim watcher wrong.
All that was summarised from the Ito et al (2007) paper in the Journal of Biomechanics, it's not my opinions. I'm not even a swimmer really - I used to swim for a club, I just swim for fun now - I have no illusions about being the world's greatest.
Talking of illusions, your name up in lights? Thorpe retired at 24 - I look forward to you peaking and becoming world famous within two years.
S-stroke is more efficient (in terms of heart rate and lactate levels) at lower speeds, as in long distance.
So, @martythamoose, what is gained by S-stroke is efficiency at lower speeds. What is gained by the I-stroke is thrust, and efficiency at high speeds, like sprints
why is their a random pic of bob bowman in there..?
imaninjaeys 2 months ago
he's like a fucking fish
kikefaris 5 months ago
Wow, his feet really are flippers. What an advantage.
bloblablaw 6 months ago
@Meowws
'Prove' NOT 'Proof u dumb Vagina
8023josh 7 months ago
u sure this is michael phelps? from i l;ast heard, pro swimmers dont practice pussy strokes no more? proof me wrong?
Meowws 7 months ago
@Meowws its called a finger tip drag drill, its supposed to improve freestyle form by keeping the fingers near the water but not exactly touching which reduces drag and allows for more and longer strokes. Even pro swimmers have to work on developing good form in any stroke cause form can make or break a race.
BboyTense123 7 months ago
He is a fish..
MagnusMas 9 months ago
@nevereven55 I Know what you mean. Thorpe does the same. One hand is always ahead of their heads. That doesnt happen in Popov´s technique:
youtube.com/watch?v=CIzBaSiWdRA
huxco 11 months ago
I don't swim competitively, but it looks like his arm is out in front of him for so long because after he puts it in the water he stretches out forwards as far as possible to get a longer stroke
will825x 1 year ago
@will825x I swim competitively and we do this in practice, we call it "catch up" We call it this because one of your arms has to "catch up" to the other because you need to move. It teaches better arm movement to reach out more to get to the wall first. And it teaches better stroking techniques as well.
jenniferpaigecollins 7 months ago
my swimming teacher showed us a video about michael phelps and he was so quick
123selenajane 1 year ago
@chrisgelb no I breath like he does the less you breath the faster you go
2416la 1 year ago
@nevereven55 if you don't keep your arm out you head is taking all the water and no stream line in the water
2416la 1 year ago
what i see here is that hes keeping his outstreched arm out in front of him until the other arm fully outstreatches then he brings the first arm back down when im swimming ive tried this and it doesnt seem as fast as how i usually swim
nevereven55 1 year ago
@nevereven55 you are probably moving smoother. Smooth is fast and fast is smooth.
twizack22 1 year ago
@nevereven55 this is just a training technique
ChrisGonthePC 1 year ago
It is not illegal to breathe every time. You can breath as often as is comfortable for you. The only exception is breaststroke in which your head must break the surface of the water every time.
Also, make sure you are exhaling through your nose when your face is in the water; don't hold your breath.
mrandylamb 1 year ago
COOL!!
darkstudios001 1 year ago
he gets air afte every left stroke. is it a violation to the rules if i try to take air after a few more strokes? please help. i just started swimming.
chrisgelb 1 year ago
Look how far his ankles bend @_@
2ShaePussyCat 1 year ago 2
...Just my random opinion!
Doing "s" pulls wastes milli-seconds that adds up to at least a second. I always just pull in all of my practices and races. I've tried the "s" pull at a race and my time was considerably slower than my races where I just pulled.
Again.. its just my opinion.
triathletekevin 2 years ago
It's more than just an opinion: it's a fact. Logic tells us the "S" doesn't work. You went the extra step and tried it out anyways -- the results have spoken.
martythamoose 2 years ago
Regardless; it doesn't work. You think it helps because you feel the water more, but it doesn't. It's outdated.
martythamoose 2 years ago
what, so you like the ugly looking windmills? apparently you don't know your catch, and high elbows
fyaskoxc1 2 years ago
@fyaskoxc1
The purpose of the windmill is to promote an early catch and a high elbow. So it's much faster in sprints. Just look at Freddy B.
And I'm not even advocating the windmill. True, it looks ugly; but I'm sure you'd get whooped swimming against someone who's perfected it.
martythamoose 2 years ago
@martythamoose Ok dude, sure. Mind citing some sources? If not, I'll go back to watching the fastest man in the entire world swim.
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
It's simple vector physics. A 9th grader could prove it to you. I'm certain Mike dropped the technique long ago, as have many swimmers and coaches across the world.
The author of this video drew the "S" as if it was unidimensional; and it wasn't. The elite have dropped the technique. It's "old-school."
martythamoose 2 years ago
Like I said - you're full of shit, unless you provide a reputable source. Why would I believe a shmuck posting on youtube videos over evidence from world-class swimmers?
And simplifying swimming down to the level of vectors is ridiculous.
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
"Why would I believe a shmuck...over evidence from world-class swimmers?"
Isn't denial the greatest feeling? My information is from the evidence. You can see it for yourself. The greats have dropped the technique. Swimming is evolving. Sorry, I know it hurts; you've been wasting your time. And I don't blame you, by all means, love your box. Just make sure it doesn't interfere with the elites.
martythamoose 2 years ago
It's the evidence I want you to post, not your smug opinion. I assume this has 'come out' in the last 9 months since this video was posted, so there must be articles about the important realisation all over the place? Where else would you have learnt it from? I await with anticipation.
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
"I assume this has come out in the last 9 months since this video was posted..."
LMAO! So I suppose Michael swam this just minutes before the user uploaded this recording?
The "key hole" does nothing. What do you think you accomplish by swishing your hand in an "S" pattern?
martythamoose 2 years ago
I'm not a world class swimmer, and nor are you. My whole argument so far has been that I'm not going to take the word of some kid on youtube - so, for the 3rd or 4th time, post some source to your claim or any evidence it's true.
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
What do you think is accomplished by wallowing your hands in ecstatic "S" patterns?
martythamoose 2 years ago
@martythamoose - 5th time - post some source. I'm not a world class swimmer or hydrophysicist, my opinion means shit. As does yours.
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
"I'm not a world class swimmer or hydrophysicist, my opinion means shit."
Translation: 'I don't know why I do it. I see my teammates do it, and I saw Michael Phelps do it in '04 and '08 -- though I don't know the logical basis behind why he did it (**cough** he's loping and the "S" pattern was for stability; this is specific to his old style of swimming **cough**), I'm still going to copy him. Besides, it looks cool, and I can feel more water, so I obviously must be going faster.'
martythamoose 2 years ago
@martythamoose
Translation: 'Post a reputable source'
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
I'm not going to spoon-feed you, you can do the research -- the information is out there. You're swimming in the past. Do you also want me to post a source on how to wipe your ass with toilet paper?
martythamoose 2 years ago
Haha! You're delusional. "Hey guys, I have this theory - I'm going to tell you all about it - X = Y!" "Why do you think that?" "I'M NOT GOING TO SPOONFEED YOU, RESEARCH IT YOURSELF".
You're the one trying to convince me, I don't really care about your opinions - you have to prove your worth, else you'll just be disregarded.
Are you autistic?
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
Me: "Stop eating the candy. It's unhealthy for you."
Baby: "Prove it."
Me: "It's been proven. You can ask any credible adult. Nobody eats that much candy. Nobody. What makes you think the candy is healthy?"
Baby: "Candy healthy. Gimme more."
Me: "Because all of the other babies eat it does not make it healthy. Please, I URGE you to ask any adult in the world."
Baby: "No. You lie. More candy."
You're still in the "mine/gimme" phase. Don't worry though. You'll grow.
martythamoose 2 years ago
It's widely accepted that candy is bad for babies. It's NOT widely accepted that what you're saying is true. If I wanted to prove vegetables were bad for a baby - something that is not widely accepted - then I'd be expected to provide research to prove my point.
I'm actually in the "healthy scepticism/reliant on evidence to form opinions" phase. In the time you've spent mashing your keyboard to come up with these inane fallacies, you could have found some credible proof - if it were to exist.
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
It is widely accepted -- among experts, coaches, and elite swimmers. But you, like the baby, choose to remain in a box that was closed back in the 90s and taped shut in the early 00s. I wouldn't expect a baby to believe Santa wasn't real, either.
Ask your toddler friends for permission to leave. I'm sure they won't mind.
martythamoose 2 years ago
If it's widely accepted, it wont be hard for you to post a source then will it?
This is getting a little silly now... This will be my last post - I'll check your reply though, on the off chance you post some evidence to support your claims. I'm not holding out hope, you seem a little pompous and self-inflating, so I imagine it's all in your head. Bring on the baby analogies, you child.
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
"This will be my last post"
I understand, it's cool. Everyone has his own way of copping out.
martythamoose 2 years ago
@vitr1ol
Just watching some swimming vids when i came over this funny dude. Do you even know how stupid you sound? Seriously. This technique was long ago proven that it was less efficient than pulling you through a hole. And I dont even know how old you are becasue you are one of those f*ings anoying kiddos that says: Pics or it didnt happen or link pl0x. Now get your ass over to google and search. And just on a side note. I am a swimmer dont wanna say how good just saying.
RtRdOh33 2 years ago
I look stupid for asking for proof? Nice one.
This is the reason I don't listen to bullshit spouted by people on youtube videos:
"This technique was long ago proven that it was less efficient than pulling you through a hole."
No it hasn't - it's been shown have a significantly lower propelling efficiency. However, it does give more propelling thrust. Lactate levels and heart rate at high swim speeds are lower using an I-stroke (pulling through a hole, as you called it") than using a S-stroke
vitr1ol 2 years ago
@vitr1ol Ok....
If you are such a baby. Just watch Grant Hackett or Kieren Perkins swim. You say the S curve is more efficient for longer distances. Well if dare to watch youll see. And wtf? I dont care what you think. But you will see my name up in light in a few years. And you + swimming= a really bad thing. YOU are one of those idiots on youtube that pretend to know anything at all in swimming. I'll not be responding. Cuz i got bettet things to do than prove a wannabe swim watcher wrong.
RtRdOh33 2 years ago
All that was summarised from the Ito et al (2007) paper in the Journal of Biomechanics, it's not my opinions. I'm not even a swimmer really - I used to swim for a club, I just swim for fun now - I have no illusions about being the world's greatest.
Talking of illusions, your name up in lights? Thorpe retired at 24 - I look forward to you peaking and becoming world famous within two years.
vitr1ol 2 years ago
S-stroke is more efficient (in terms of heart rate and lactate levels) at lower speeds, as in long distance.
So, @martythamoose, what is gained by S-stroke is efficiency at lower speeds. What is gained by the I-stroke is thrust, and efficiency at high speeds, like sprints
And @RtRdOh33, everything you think is wrong
I wasn't arguing for either stroke, I was asking for a valid source for YOUR arguments.
For anyone wanting to know more, Ito et al (2007) in the Journal of Biomechanics is good.
vitr1ol 2 years ago
The "S" hand movement in freestyle doesn't work.
martythamoose 2 years ago
well its workin for him...
ipodfreek955 2 years ago
This must be an old video, then. It doesn't work for anyone; it's ineffective and wastes energy. I doubt he still uses it.
martythamoose 2 years ago
Perfect legs-arms movement interaction in six-beats mode!
Professor Haliand would use him as THEE example!!!
antokindness 2 years ago
look at those FEET
bonogun 2 years ago 2
wow, that's super useful
catisgod 2 years ago