Alan Watts - Myth and Religion - Jesus and his Religion Pt 3/6

[IlRezzonico]

Fascinating stuff from Alan Watts - he is compelling, and almost certainly right I think. I love him.

[JustForBrieLarson]

This is not Jesus

[blackmichael75]

@JustForBrieLarson Yes it is, this is Jesus

[JustForBrieLarson]

This is strange

[MyOnlyFarph]

Jesus wasn't a real person... He was not enlightened... He was the fictional creating of thousands of years of religious evolution culminating various preexisting pagan and gnostic myths. His purpose was to unite similar religious sects into one group.

[haklerherr]

In the beginning there was Alan Watts.

[TheDiceMan6]

@nextHeritage I had sensed that you were merely looking for an argument. . that is why i refuse to be drawn into one. . if you would like to philosophize and open up a DISCOURSE?. . Then fine, I'd be more than happy. . but I'll be honest, you must earn your credibility all over again having started off on the wrong foot. . . . . . .check . . . . . . your move. . .

[plentyofouts]

I think Alan Watts is God incarnate! I have seen the truth!!!... and it doesn't make any sense...

[TheDiceMan6]

@nextHeritage thank you for your input. I'm so glad you took the time to get to know me before you judged me (which are not my point of view personally, mere expansions on Epicurus' philosophy for the benefit of those who asked) but, again, thank you for you two pence worth into the ongoing discussion and your concise, yet gripping, description of me. Well done.

[litwriter100]

I agree that much of what Jesus preached seems more indicative of Eastern metaphysical thought than that of his native Judaism. We got a sort of hybrid version filtered through the gospel writers.  It’s possible that Mr. Watts was right regarding his take on Jesus. but for the wrong reason.

[litwriter100]

What Mr. Watts might have missed in his speculations regarding Jesus is that when Jesus began his ministry the people in his hometown of Nazareth did not seem certain who he was. Thus, it is possible that Jesus had been away for an extended period of time, perhaps some of which had been spent in India or elsewhere in the East. The Bible tells nothing of His life from age 12 until around age 30 when he began to preach.

[stuartgibb]

@litwriter100 The word "Caesarion" will answer this question. Look on Google or Wiki etc.

[newsworthyable]

i LOVE Alan Watts....Cutting through the eye stinging onion of religion!!! A true Free Thinker. The Wisdom of Insecurity is a great book by him to start with. It will alter your concepts!!! Beware. It is frightening to loose once cherished beliefs but very liberating!!!! Thanks for the upload xcite83

[newsworthyable]

i LOVE Alan Watts....Cutting through the eye stinging onion of religion!!! A true Free Thinker. The Wisdom of Insecurity is a great book by him to start with. It will alter your concepts!!! Beware. It is frightening to loose once cherished beliefs but very liberating!!!! Thanks for the uploae xcite83

[Ramohog]

@asmodeous9 Those were your words from two comments below.... lol. I just asked you to clarify them, rather than making general accusations.

[Ramohog]

@asmodeous9 What bullshit... what crap? It's so easy to make these general accusations. God knows it all and wants to reveal it to us. When you spent time in His revealed Word and in prayer, then He will give you the knowledge, wisdom and understanding you need to fulfill His will for your life, and have the proper spiritual discernment to separate truth from deception and the authetic from the counterfit. You try to make it into something bad, while it is all good. Why does that frustrate you?

[Ramohog]

@asmodeous9 That's exactly what happened to Jesus. He told the truth, and people distorted, twisted and persecuted Him for it. You have the same demonic characteristic, but again it was foretold that it would be like this, so I can only forgive you because you don't know what you doing.

[Ramohog]

@asmodeous9 So what did I say to him which did not relate to common sense? Only trolling, ranting, stalking, deceiving, truth twisters try to make me look bad, simple for not loving the truth in order to be saved.

[ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR]

@asmodeous9 Oh, he's one of those is he... beyond reason... I know the sort. Thanks for the warning! ;-) Be well.

[Ramohog]

@ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR Oh so you rather believe a person who named himself after a demonic entity. Stay deceived then...

[ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR]

@Ramohog You are really quite an insulting person, and quite unsavoury in your attitude I think. I can see that for myself. I have read several of your comments now, on this page and others and it is apparent to me that your psyche is in a chronic state of imbalance. I am sorry to say this. I sincerely wish you all the best on your journey through life but if you don't mind I think it's best we go our seperate ways now. Good luck.

[Ramohog]

@ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuD How am I insulting? Yes the truth is controversial, and you will never please everybody, but all I do is research the truth based on studying history and behaviour patterns of men. I have come to the conclusion that we are all under the curse of being emotionally ruled by our circumstances, away from the will of God through selfishness, lust, pride and fear. Jesus taught us how to not be seduced out of love and overcome evil with good. Everything else has and always will fail!

[peacefulfatguy]

i'm hungry

[christuimbirek]

wow white man can det enlightened? hehehehehhheeehhheee

[tazer95]

@christuimbirek O.o

[stillstandin4you]

thank you for posting these

[TheGreatDissolve]

Jesus wrote A Course In Miracles.

[Snaffle]

holy shit to that siren in the beginning...

i found it. Thanks

[DumpYourTelevision]

1:50 on ward to 6:00

boy... oh boy, oh boy! =)

Mathew 13, says it all too, making the blind man see - get it? I did.

[hermanzoon]

They have been put in proper order.

[hermanzoon]

These videos are out of order. They should be heard in this order: part 1, part 2, part 5, part 4, part 3, part 6. This series of videos is a great "sermon" all need to hear. Thank you for posting.

[dewsplash]

Debating who or what god is or does is humorous for an Alan Watts video.

[TheDiceMan6]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

-- (Epicurus)

[TheBadwooolf]

@TheDiceMan6 the second one isnt necessarilly true. what is truly evil? and why do we hate it so much?

[TheDiceMan6]

@TheBadwooolf. . The second one isn't necessarily false either. The word malevolent might be a bit strong, but the argument remains valid to the Epicureanism school of thought.

What is truly evil?. Carl Jung says that man needs to be studied more because "WE are the origin of all coming evil". .

.and Why do we hate it so much?. . The Dalai Lama says that "the reason why love and compassion bring the greatest happiness is simply that our nature cherishes them above all else". .

[TheBadwooolf]

@TheDiceMan6 i think the assumption that gets made in epicurean thought is that god's nature wouldn't include anything that might be considered "malevolent" but if god really was as pantheists and panentheists claim than malevolence, like anything else, would be a part of him. It is interesting to me that those who refute god desire an objective good and those who are pantheistic in nature believe in purposelessness and the absence of an overarching moral law which was not always the case

[TheDiceMan6]

@TheBadwooolf. Lets get rid of the assumptions first. Epicureanism is a moral philosophy which advances the claim that pleasure, mainly understood as the avoidance of pain by opting for intellectual pleasure, needs to be understood as the basis for leading an ethical life. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that Epicurus was trying to convey the idea that morals and ethics are an essential part of life whether you are pantheist or not. Neither view can deny the importance of our own conduct.

[TheBadwooolf]

@TheDiceMan6 what i understand from this is that Epicures based ethics on seeking pleasure (good) and avoiding pain (bad) but hypothetically a situation might arise in which a person has to endure pain themselves for the benefit of others. Is this bad according to Epicures? I know its a really simplistic hypothetical but the general point is that we cant be certain of any objective morality so how can we presume to judge others based on ours

[TheDiceMan6]

@TheBadwooolf. I don't know what Epicurus would say because yes, you are right, we can't judge others based on, or be certain of, any objective morality. The only thing ANYONE on this planet can be certain of is the consequences of their own actions. Therefore, if someone is experiencing (physical/physic) pain for the benefit of others, rooted in the intellectual conviction of service, then this can only be a good thing, on two levels. 1. the person experiences growth of self. 2. others benefit.

[jca2005]

@TheDiceMan6

God is the love within all things in life. All of life around you including you are god. God is that energy force that resides deep within your body your soul (atman). When you realize this, you will realize we are all one and that's all we ever were. All evil and what people call demons are just created through our fears. Without fear and only love there would be no such things. When everyone realizes who they are then there will be no more evil or "demons".

[TheDiceMan6]

@jca2005. . "We can conceive of God becoming like man to save man, but we cannot conceive man becoming God-like to save himself". .

[jca2005]

@TheDiceMan6 I am sorry that you can't at this time conceive the fact that by looking inward that you can "save" yourself. There is nothing to save. We are already pure and perfect. You just have to look inward to rid your fears and imperfections. Only you can do this. That's why your soul manifested this body to workout it's Karma. Karma is just the process of developing yourself. We all come from the supreme god head. We are one as we have the energy of god in all things.

[TheDiceMan6]

@jca2005. . "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, no even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense". . . .

[jca2005]

@TheDiceMan6 I will say you are right on that one. However, I will just say for me myself and through my experiences through meditation and reading the Bhagavad Gita I have realized this is true. You have the right to believe what you want to and I won't try to go any further to get you to believe the way I do, because it's not right to do so. So I wish you luck brother!

[TheDiceMan6]

@jca2005 Please don't take the quotes i reference as a sign of hostility. My last quote was from Buddha himself. The quote before that actually agreed with what you were saying if you read it properly. So we are both on different paths, but through the same forest, i guess you just need to start looking at things for what they are and release yourself from the tyranny of personal attitudes. Good luck to you on your great journey brother. i wish you all the best. goodbye.

[AriloeuLaleelae]

@TheDiceMan6 What are you using as your definition of evil?

[TheDiceMan6]

@AriloeuLaleelae. . It is a quote from Epicurus. So, essentially it is his definition of evil that you seek. I can guess that evil to Epicusus probably would have been anything to halt, detract from, or have a negative influence on leading an ethical life that is based on the philosophy of avoiding pain by opting for intellectual pleasure. I will admit that i have given a very concise description of Epicureanism, but basically, maybe that was his definition of evil?. . what do you think?

[AriloeuLaleelae]

@TheDiceMan6 Then I guess the question(s) would be: Why is pain bad? Can't pain be useful to us?

[TheDiceMan6]

@AriloeuLaleelae. Why is pain bad? Pain is not bad, it just hurts, that's all. Pain is natures way of letting us know we made a mistake or did something wrong. Can't pain be useful to us? Yes it can, for the aforementioned reasons, plus the fact that pain is only the opposite to pleasure, and we all know that if you want pleasure then this means you are a sensitive being capable of experiencing pleasure but this sensitivity can also be hurt. When coupled with experience? pain can be very useful

[TheDiceMan6]

@AriloeuLaleelae. . (contd) pain can be very useful in guiding our future conduct and determining what are reasonable and reasonable desires. I could go on and on about this but i believe that if you contemplate these answers and expand them with common sense then this amount of knowledge is suffice to answer your question. i think and hope that i have answered your question but if you feel like discussing things further? then please, by all means, let me know. Cheers. . .

[ImNaDeWa]

@TheDiceMan6 God is omnipotent and good. Therefore he gave us free will. So whe are free to do what god wants us to do (what is the best possible behavior) or do somehting less good or so much less good, that we call it bad. Because God gave us this free will, he will not take part in this shit we made by ourselves, until we regret individually or collectively and return to ask god for help - then there it will be.

Easy case if theres no mud in ones eyes... .

[TheDiceMan6]

@ImNaDeWa ....Please note that the views I have expressed are the opinions of Epicurus and not my own personal beliefs.... As for free will?.. The druids believed that God gave us free will simply because he wants a band of people who CHOSE to live a life of virture rather than an army of puppets who do exactly what he tells them...... everyone has a choice... that's the beauty of it....

[pozlotus]

Brilliant. Anyone who has had this experience understands what he is saying here.

[AriloeuLaleelae]

@pozlotus Then there must be something wrong with his definition of evil. Likewise, couldn't pleasure become an obstruction to good in the same sense that pain can be used to serve us for good? (As you just mentioned.) Would you agree that if we use this definition then neither pain nor pleasure could be considered inherently evil or good?

[Selaphiel83]

While I find Alan Watts to be a fascinating man with a lot to offer, his syncretism seems forced at times. Forced syncretism leads to forcing things that do not fit into a box.

His analysis of John 10:36 is wrong. The correct translation is indeed: I am God's Son, no a son of God.

The lack of definite article is due to the predicate preceeding the verb, definite article is only needed if the verb preceeds the predicate.

[gravitymindofgod]

Self emptying and self fulfilling. Blackhole Whitehole. Or the Nature of, the geometry of the Universe Son of God.

[Ramohog]

Oh please. Watts is so obviously deceiving by stating numerous falsefied facts and wrong assumptions, and your to blind to see it. This whole talk is based on philosophy and vain deceit, and on limited knowledge of a finite man. Foolishness unto God.

I realize thet the natural man does not receive the things of God. They are foolishness unto him since they are spiritually discerned.

When you don't filter the truth through God's Word you will be deceived. It is a more sure word of prophecy!

[HillClimbersForum]

its proven 100% by science now move along. go search for the "reality beyond matter" on youtube and you'll see yourself.

[Ramohog]

All ground breaking science is channeled information and in the hands of the luciferian elite, who are enslaving us into a scientific NWO antichrist new age dictatorship. They are exposing the dark side of the illuminati so the light side can take over and rule, but it is still a deception. They will be proven right by the ET's and they will rule for a season, to eventually loose their souls for eternity. Don't fall into this prophecized satanic trap!

[HillClimbersForum]

lol

[Ramohog]

lol??? Do your research!

[HillClimbersForum]

i guess you believe the earth is only 5,000 years old too huh? You are brainwashed dude, later!

[Ramohog]

The beginning and the end we accept by faith, everything else can be verified and researched. I'd rather be brainwashed by the truth than mind controlled by the lie. Later!

[HillClimbersForum]

you accept and believe the lie then, it is proven by science the universe and earth etc are billions of years old. but you keep your faith if you wish because it doesnt matter, in the end it'll all be ok.

[Ramohog]

The Bible states that this world system as we know it today is about 6000 years old, which is backed up by the oldest structures in the world. You have to keep in mind that God is also able to recreate. After the flood we can verify things very accurate, and then the Bible always gets it right. When you would multiply the worlds population since Noah (including wars and diseases) then you would come to about 7 billion people today. Don't let a wrong assumption allow you to reject the whole thing

[BoredomCorner]

Actually no it doesn't. Only sloppy scholars who can't count or translate believe that.

[MidnightDC696969]

but your mind IS controlled by a brain washing lie....

you left alot of comments on this video and i respect them all, but you are obviously an educated person 9-5 2.4 children right, but most people here are not the result of the educational institution

most people here have no 'education' we have Inspiration

your brain washed, you got a bullet in your head

[Ramohog]

I actually came out of the brainwashed lie of organized religion and mind controlled schooling system. I have my own business, and I'm single because I'm having a hard time finding a beautiful woman with spiritual discernment. I have done my own research on the religions, the cults, and the occult in relation to the real history. Backed up by independant researchers who have studied their specific fields for 30-40 years. We are living a lie, and the Bible exposes the lie and revealing the truth.

[malkooth]

@MidnightDC696969 Who are you speaking to besides some split off aspect of yourself?

[MidnightDC696969]

@malkooth well i mean it was obviously a reply to someone else's comments, im not gonna just sit down and type that for no reason! i completely forgot i said that, funny how much we change in a year...

[malkooth]

@MidnightDC696969 I don't really have a problem with it but wanted to follow the thread...

[BoredomCorner]

No, research proves you're wrong -- and possibly deranged.

Christian fanatics haven't been right about "truth" yet, and clearly they aren't going to start with you.

[BoredomCorner]

I did, and it shows rather easily that you're wrong.

[xcite83]

...thus the combination of internal experience clothed with the external ideology creates an idelogical folly, the profundity of thei internal experience seems to justify to them the objective 'truth' of the austere, ideological enviornment, we are all imbued with the 'holy spirit' I am a lifelong student of comparative religion, of philophy, ontology, metaphysics, I am a student of science with a bachelors in biomedical science and am working towards my Masters in pharmacology...

[Ramohog]

Saying we are God and the worship of knowledge is Satanism. You fell into the trap of theosophy, philosophy and vain deceit after the rudiments of man and not after Christ. You follow lucifer the lightbearer and might not even realize it, since he is the master deceiver and presents himself as an ange of light. The wisdom of man is foolishness on to God. You ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil thinking you are like God. The oldest lies in The Book.

[xcite83]

Sir, Gaia Sophia is the light of wisdom within man, Yahweh is the false God, the Tempter, The symbolic representation of Ignorance and blind faith, Lucifer (the light bearer) is NOT Satan, The fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil is a metaphor of Post-agricultural Morality, which is deceptive,the Hunter-gatherer, or upper palaeolithic man is naked and not ashamed, he takes from the bounty of life in accordance with Gaia, his divine light within his animalistic nature goes with...

[xcite83]

The grain, not against it, the ONLY sins are those that derive from selfishness, which is to take the divine light and use it against itself, incoherently, this manifested with agriculture,since after that we tried to control Gods bounty rather than just take from it, THIS is the symbolic sense of Adam and Eve, it is the fall into agriculture, your belief systems is a post agricultural worship of the deciever God, Yahweh. Gnosis IS the only way, to BECOME the Christ through self knowledge of...

[xcite83]

The Divine. This is a rarity for me, I do not argue with someon whos perceptions are so entrenched forit is futile. Do good, lose ego, do not commit natural sins, and use your divine light in coherence with others. You and all should do this, argument is a mis-use of the Divine Light, thus I do not indulge, never impose ones ideas upon another for knowledge is limited and finite, and to suppose you are ultmately correct is blasphemous as you are trying to deny your own limitations,only God has

[xcite83]

No limitations. So, leave it there please, and I'd suggest you digest a whole range of literature contrary to your preconvieved ideas, because to not to is the domain of the ignorant.

[Ramohog]

Boy did you step into the theosophy trap. I hope for your sake that the Bible is wrong, although it is a more sure Word of prophecy with 100% accuracy. God's Word is an intergrated message system from outside our time domain. When you bring the world into focus through the lens of Scripture then everything becomes crystal clear. This whole talk is full of flaws and twisted facts.

All the good qualities you state are already in Christianity. The fruit of theosophy is bad. What if u r wrong?

[PhilipLu3]

So you shun knowledge and hate wisdom. So being logical is being wrong. So what God dictates is higher than logic. If God were to dictate something that seemed to me to be evil, you would still do it, because God said it, even though it is not right.

[Ramohog]

Falsfied facts based on wrong assumptions that's how the whole world is getting deceived.

Proverbs 18:5 The heart of the prudent gets knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.

Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all your getting get understanding.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge

The Holy Spirit leads and guides into all truth. Alan Watts is a deceiver being deceived himself!

[vetteluvnh]

Follow me on a little logic journey...God is the omniscient 1st cause for everything. God created Lucifer (the devil). God created the heavens and the earth (and it was good -not), finally, he created man. Most people blame the devil for evil, but god created the devil. So either god is not omniscient, or he just doesn't care. Either way god is ultimately responsible for the evil in this world since he knowingly or ignorantly created the cause of it. -Let the mental gymnastics begin! lol

[Ramohog]

Satan and one third of the angels rebelled against God. God is just looking to replace them, and offers us the choice. His way or Satan's way. God made us free moral agents to choose. His advice. Choose life so you and your seed may live.

[vetteluvnh]

You failed to address the key issue here. The bible tells us god is "all knowing" or omniscient. Therefor when he created the devil he was either to stupid to know how that would turn out, or he knew but he didn't give a crap. Once again, either way, that would make god ultimately responsible for the devil. Why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp? I can provide an extremely simple & vivid analogy if you think that will help.

[Ramohog]

God can't learn, but God created the angels free as moral agents as well. When you have children, then there is always a chance that they will rebel against you. This worlds sytem as we know it today has meaning, plan and purpose, outlined in the Bible backed up by prophecy. We either play the game and win, or rebel against it and lose. To pass the test we need to read the book of life.

[vetteluvnh]

What? You didn't address a single point I made! Let me do this again very s-l-o-w-l-y. God created e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g. Thus he either new when he created Lucifer that he was ultimately creating evil & didn't care or he was too stupid to know what he was doing & the devil was just an oopsie! -Yes, I have a child. Yes she has rebelled, but this is a VERY flawed analogy because I am not the omnipotent creator of EVERYTHING. Do you see why god should be held to a slightly higher standard than me?

[Ramohog]

God is not omnipotent and omnipresent does are religious fallacies. God creates as free moral agents and then responds on what we are doing, which is called justice. He reveals His perfect will out of love and protection for us. We are made in His image so when you create life it is the same, when you know the character of your child then you can predict how she is going to respond and react. Same with Bible prophecy on a much bigger scale with and a lot more children.

[DeepRootsFilms]

@Ramohog Even if god was not omnipotent and omnipresent, there is no way for you to back up that statement. It's just because you cannot see it or rationalize that it's possible that you feel conviction to make that statement.

[Ramohog]

@DeepRootsFilms I realize that God's hand is in everything, but his being is not in every. To think that, will lead to pantheism, so you start worshipping the creation rather than the Creator.

[coyoteself]

@Ramohog There's nothing wrong with pantheism. It remove the simple human ego and doesn't allows one to get locked into the concept that God is...Anything, other than God. Once you add "He," "His" or even "She," and you try to describe God, you instantly subjunctivfy God into something that your simple mind can understand. A true Pantheist is not fooled into thinking that. And God simply IS

[Ramohog]

@coyoteself God makes Himself known through His revelations and His manifestations, to establish a personal relationship with Him. All of this is backed up by prophecy, so we might know the truth through studying history and current world events. God works through covenants of promise, because He loves us, we just need to accept His gift of salvation and receive His Spirit f love, wisdom and comfort. This is the way to know the will of God for your life, and inherit eternal life with Him.

[coyoteself]

@Ramohog ROTFL If you read the same Bible I did, than you know that if God were a person "He" would have lost custody of his children longggg ago and been imprisoned for child abuse. Ask yourself, why does a "Supreme Being" treat his children worse that we, as loving parents, would ever treat our children?

[ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR]

@Ramohog How did you become so knowledgable regarding the very will of abstraction? When did you discover the gender of the unimaginable?

[Ramohog]

@ThEmIdNiGhTiNtRuDeR By studying comparative religion, the cults and the occult in relation to history in combination with the corrupted fruit of false worship leading to social injustice and moral decay. Things happen in cylcles and prophecy is pattern, you just need to put two and two together and connect the dot. The farther backward you look, the farther forward you can see. God is Spirit and God is love. Jesus represents God in physical form, we receive Him in spiritual form.

[DeepRootsFilms]

@Ramohog Even if god was not omnipotent and omnipresent there is no way for you to back up or verify your statement that god is not. Just look around god is everywhere.

[PhilipLu3]

I have no idea how that makes sense!

[Ramohog]

It makes sense in the way, that the Bible pushes you to seek knowledge, wisdom and understanding, so your assumption that born again believer shun it is false!

Jesus told us to love and forgive, so I do that.

[777kru08]

@Ramohog perhaps the same goes for you my friend

[xcite83]

Ramohog, your degree of lack of understanding of these Ultimate questions perturbs me. You are filled with the Holy Spirit, do you even know what this means? Your personal God, your objectively existing God is but an externalization of the God within, which we are all privy to, you have externalized yor own divine nature and therefore worship it as if it is some objectively existent being, the 'personal God', the God that loves you and has a suspicious interest in our moral affairs is....

[Ramohog]

Being filled with the Holy Spirit is hearing from God through revelation knowledge. It is the impartation of God's love, wisdom, comfort on a man. Confirmed by getting answers to all your prayers, and seeing the hand of God move in your life. Wisdom shines light on knowledge and brings understanding. I lack none of these, since the Holy Spirit is leading and guiding me into all truth.

[gundabalf]

damn it ramohog, why did you have to pollute all these videos with your stupid fanatical comments?

[Ramohog]

We are all God's creation, but we are not all God's children. We need to be born again with the Holy Spirit, which only comes through faith in the prophecized shed blood of Jesus.

Judge the tree by it's fruit. False worship always leads to social injustice and moral decay. When you look at the world today it's obvious what is blessed and not.

No man has seen God at any time. Jesus represents God in physical form. He saves on the Fathers behalf. They are one in spirit different in fuction.

[mumuwu]

Indeed. But according to this speech we become God's children through the death and resurrection of the individual. Through our baptism in the death of Christ we become one with him, adopted children of God. We know that it is no longer us but Christ in us that works toward our perfection. No man has seen God at any time except the one who came down from Heaven. If this one who came down is omnipresent, perhaps Christ wasn't talking about his physical eyes. What you said doesn't contradict watts

[Ramohog]

Watts tells us there are more ways to God. Jesus clearly taught He is the only way. Watts goes the ancient eastern mysticism way, which the Bible exposes as a Babylonian deception. The mind controlled rise of this deception is pre-conditioning the world for the NWO new age antichrist rule.

[mumuwu]

You have much to learn. What you mention is true, but you are just scratching the surface. You have a whole intellectual system that makes sense and the words you say are true. I am not sure that you know the realities behind these words. Most Christians are not in touch with the spirit and have a dead religion. Do you?

God is not a respecter of persons and he calls people out of all parts of the earth. Anyone who follows truth follows him. Wisdom is justified by her children.

[Ramohog]

I'm filled with the Holy Spirit who leads and guides me into all truth. God does call people from every nation, tribe and tonque, but you have to be born again with the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus, to establish a personal relationship with God. There is a lot of spiritual deception out there. The Bible exposes all deception, and reveals the true way, backed up by prophecy. The Pope, Muhammad, Buddha, Dalai Laae don't know the way. They are deceivers being deceived themselves.

[xcite83]

An externalized projection of your own divinity. When you have a spiritual experience, this is natural to all beings, its as natural as eating and sleeping, ALL religious peple like you always experience pretty much the same experience, they have an experience of profound spirituality within themselves, they contact the divine within, yet they externalize this experience and clothe it in whatever external austerity and cultural and idealogical enviornment they are surrounded by....

[Ramohog]

Everyone with spiritual knowledge knows that we need to tap into the supernatural to really have perfect guidens. The ruling elite channel luciferian spirit quides. Born again Christians have the Holy Spirit, the only true spirit guide leading you to your eternal destination. The demonic spirits will give you the world in order to loose your soul for eternity. That's theosophy which has only produced rotten fruit.

[HillClimbersForum]

dude your wasting your time

[xcite83]

I have dedicated my whole life to understanding the Ultimate questions, the nature of reality, it is my life works, and therfroe there is no 'mistaken fool' here, my approach is and has to be multi-paradigmatic, for the spectrum of realitiy cannot be addressed with a single ideological pursuit, it requires balance, and I'm sorry to say that your whole understanding is one-dimensional, you do not endeavour to learn the ultimate questions from multiple paradigms, you have indoctrinated by your....