"Gott Mit Uns" existed long before Nazism. It was the Motto of the Hohenzollern Royal Family, who ruled Germany well for nearly 400 years. Learn history. Hitler invoking the motto was him simply connecting himself to the former rulers.
@Schmidtah Very interesting yet very christian all the same. Rulers using the childish mythologies of those they command on pain of death to cause death and mayhem and mass murderous genocide all in the name of their christian mythology. The evils of religion so ingrained in the people for 400 years. If christians are capable of such atrocities what other horrors are they and their nonsense mythology capable of?
@Schmidtah The Communists mass murdered because of COMMUNISM and political power, not because of atheism which is merely not believing in the idiocy of your alleged god genocidal. The religious have killed more atheists because of their horrifying religious nonsense than the reverse.
God in translated subtitles. You can say anything in subtitles. However to give them the benifit of the doupt. He could be talking about Jesus the Christian God. The question is; is Hitler a christian? Well this might be hard for an atheist as you would actully have to open a bible to do this. Ask; Does Hitlers promotion and authorization of the mass geniside of Jews, Blacks, and Gays coinside with what Jesus taught? if yes: Hitler was a good christian! If no then except Hitler for what he was.
@decosteve71 Yes Hitler's actions are consistent with the alleged god genocidal. Read the frigging bible.
God Slaughters Blacks: "And there came out against them Zerah the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand, and three hundred chariots..." (II Chronicles 14:9)
Jesus is the alleged God in Christian mythology. Dah.
@decosteve71 Godly Mass Murder: "And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." (I Samuel 6:19)
He was as much Christian as Himmler, both came from Catholic families but later abandoned their faith in favor of some hybrid nonsense that was supposed to be the new official religion of the Reich. He pretended in the beginning his attachement to Christian traitions to gain trust and support, later he obviously showed his true colors.
@decosteve71 "God in translated subtitles. You can say anything in subtitles" As a native German speaker I can assure you the subtitles are quite accurate. I'd also like to point out that we atheists couldn't care less that Hitler was a christian. Its meaningless to us. However, when christians love to say "Hitler was an atheist." We have to respond to set the record straight. The fact is he was a Roman Catholic who despised atheists and believed that he was doing god's good work. Truth hurts.
I wonder what would've happened if one of his original plans, to ship the jews to madagascar, would've succeeded. If WWII would've happened then. And if we would have Israel and all that bs war-thingy going on there in gaza.
@Fahd4Cool Stalin, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, Kim-II-Sung, Slobodan Miloshevich, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, et al. were all COMMUNIST CULT LEADERS and as such where leaders of their own religions aka dictator cults, and if their followers didn't believe in them then those followers die or worse. COMMUNISM is as much a RELIGION as CHRISTIANITY.
To make believe that it was their alleged atheism that had them mass murder people is insanity, it was their power politics at any cost that drove them.
@MountThor Lenin wasn't.. it was not until Stalin that the cult of the personality was used by Stalin to use Lenin after his death to claim authority.
Lenin however believed in the will of the people... this was all trashed by the failure of the revolution which allowed thugs like Stalin to claim power for capitalists.
The others were proto capitalist movements.. ie glorious leader bosses leading peasants with trickledown promises.
@Fahd4Cool Without millions of loyal COMMUNIST-CULT-Members FOLLOWING them like they were GODS no where near those numbers would have been murdered. It is the religious devotion to Communism or Socialism or Christianity or Islam that has these large scale mass murders happen.
Atheism is merely believing in one less alleged god than you religious freaks believe in. Atheism says NOTHING about politics and as such didn't drive those mass murders, it was their crazed power politics that drove them.
@Fahd4Cool Hitler on the other hand was a Christian who used his Christian religion as a tool to control tens of millions of people who went on a mass murderous rampage throughout the world. The Nazi's wore christian symbols on their uniforms.
@Fahd4Cool COMMUNISM uses the same mechanism as RELIGION to achieve it's goals, collectivism. You can see this pernicious evil of collectivism at work within Islam, Christianity, and other religions. COLLECTIVISM is an essential aspect of RELIGION.
Where you don't see it is with atheism since atheism is merely the rejection of any belief in any alleged gods. Atheism says NOTHING about politics.
These people did not kill in the name of Atheism. They just happened not to follow any of the existing religions.
Religious people kill in the name of their religion.
There is BIG difference.
Them being atheists had literally nothing to do with their wars. They don't represent Atheism by any stretch of the imagination. Atheism is not "peace", or "war". Atheism only exist as the absence of religious beliefs.
@Fahd4Cool have you ever seen a person saying "i do this in the name of atheism?" have you ever seen someone say "i do this in the name of my god?" you fail, and you will keep failing hard defending your bullshit religion.
Dumb. Just because Hitler invoked God doesn't mean he's a Christian. Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Bahai's and all sorts of pagans invoke god, too. Try again.
Fallacy of guilt by association, the favourite sport of anti-christian people. I can play that game too: Hitler was a vegetarian and an ecologist... Take your conclusions ;-)
@mccartherable Of course he was a christian and so where the millions who followed him... they where all evil christians carrying out the word of their alleged god of the bible. Clearly you need to read it and see it's crimes against humanity that Hitler got his marching orders from.
@MountThor Please inform yourself, before you talk about things. Neither Hitler, nor most Nazis were Christians, even in a general sense. Just like other things about culture, public and philosophy were instrumentalised for NS ideology. Christendom was a strong part of German culture, so the Nazis couldn't just neglect it in their indoctrination. They instrumentalized Paganism as well. Literature. Science.
So if Hitler was a Christian, he was a heathen scientist and philospher as well.
@MountThor Yeah, please don't make that step out of your comfort zone to argue your point. Just say your interlocutor is engaged in denial and leave it at that. Good luck with that.
Please, I'm open for your input. Prove me wrong for what I've said. But spare me your displaced cynism, if it's just for the very questionable sake of your feeling superior.
@eynesprayer The video proves you wrong, Hitler and the vast majority of Nazi soldiers where Christians of one sect or another.
Christians are an evil group, you worship the alleged god genocidal who in your mythology has no problem committing mass murderous genocide left, right and center in the bible not to mention on a planetary scale with the flood.
So much for your alleged loving alleged god... he only loves those who bow down and obey and then he tortures the rest for all eternity. Nice
@MountThor The video just proves what I say, which is that Nazis instrumentalised Christendom.
I'm having a big problem with the words "you" and "your" in your coment, implying that I'd be Christian. Well, I'm not. I'm also having a problem with what you think is the stereotype of a Christian. Claiming that Christians are evil and that they are because they'd be taking every verse of the Bible as literal as you do is ... well. Narrow-minded. And it lacks truth in fact.
@eynesprayer They take oaths to the alleged god, the alleged christian god, in the video. Deny all you want it won't change the facts in evidence.
If you're not a christian bit deal. It sounded like you were due to the way you're talking. I was raised in a christian home so I know full what a christian is.
Christian mythology is evil as I pointed out. You can worship a genocidal alleged god if you want but I'll have no part in it since it's immoral and unethical to worship a mass murderer.
Even though the mythology is just a mythology that they falsely believe is real it's still an immoral and unethical act to worship an genocidal alleged god as the alleged god of the bible documents very well.
@MountThor If you wanna see the Bible as a word-by-word documentation, well, you may claim their belief unethical. What tells you, that the Bible is a documentary work? And for that matter: What about other religions? Are they all evil, too? What about science and nature? There's nothing as cruel and nothing is proven to have killed more people that nature itself. Modern societies' most cruel crimes are based on science after all. Am I evil for being faithful in nature and science?
@eynesprayer You do not need faith in science. For example 2+2=4, I did not have to believe in anything to figure that out. Requiring faith to figure out 2+2=4 is illogical and makes no sense at all. Praying does not give you the answer to a math question lol. YOU figure the answer out yourself using YOUR BRAIN.
@eynesprayer Science does not do any harm at all. Where in any science or math text-book does it tell you to go rape and murder people? The fact is: nowhere. In religious texts, they tell you to rape, murder, own slaves, etc. If you want me to quote bible verses for you, just ask me; everything horrible you want to know is written in the bible.
@TheAceForce Science did great harm in the history of mankind. Think of weapons of mass destruction. Think of the scientific experiments done to living humans. Concentration camps for example did a great deal in using living people to experiment. Science as well as faith is always in the hands of men. Of men, who either do evil or not, who either misuse the Bible's verses, who either misuse science, or not. It's not in black and white, science is good, religion is evil. It is more complicated.
@eynesprayer No not all religions are evil. The native people of North-America had their own religions that were peaceful and one with nature. Guess who raped, tortured, and destroyed them? Christians. They called the natives savages. Who were the real savages?
@TheAceForce That were Europeans from some hundreds of years ago. How could you possibly make people of a certain culture responsible for crimes that happened in a time, when human rights weren't even existent as an idea. Yes, Christian church brought great horror over the world. As did Germany some decades ago. Now tell me, am I evil for being German? Am I evil for being European? For being male (you might know, what men did to women in the course of the last thousands of years)?
@eynesprayer People fight wars over religion. Math: People do not fight wars over 2+2=4. Physics: People do not fight wars over gravity. Religion tries to fight a war against science, using the help of science: Hypocrisy? I find it funny how religious people who do not even understand how a computer works are using that very same computer to try and communicate with their cognitively retarded brain(s). I am not saying you are religious so do not jump to assumptions.
@TheAceForce Funny though, that all the assumptions here are coming from you. Yes, people fight wars over religion. They also fight wars over some piece of land, "living space" or just for the sake of a triumph, sometimes just to extirpate a people. Without having any religious motivation whatsoever. So who's there to blame? The whole of a country, of a nation, of a people? The whole of humankind? Tell me, so I can get my pitch forks and torches ready.
@TheAceForce As we are on it: Only a very, very, very small amount of people, religious or not, takes the Bible literally. This is, because it is a work of literature and highly complicated and problematic. And because the upmost of Christians are taking human rights and the reverence for life and mind and stuff more serious than their believes, than even themselves. So they try to accomodate, struggle to find a decent center between what they believe in and what they are required to believe.
@TheAceForce World isn't as simple as you suppose, is what I'm saying. Some people are evil, not entire cultures or religions or nations. If you see a Christian doing evil, it's an evil person who happens to be Christian. Hitler happened to be German.
And even there it is much more complicated, cos there is a long history preceding, that put causality into the soup of consequence. If you'd know that, and if you had any idea of German history, you would not postulate that Hitler was Christian.
@eynesprayer Religion is about shutting your brain off, and being a coward. People who are afraid to die need to ease themselves with lies. It is like trying to defend someone's belief in unicorns. If you do not believe in unicorns then why would you try to defend it? You would not. That is why I find it kind of ironic that you even bother trying to defend religion. Defending religion is defending idiocy.
@TheAceForce It makes perfect sense, what you say. In your very own definition. But, as you should know, our world works intersubjective, thus your very own definition can't be the measure. I defend everyone's right to believe in G-d, unicorns and whatever they want to believe in. And I defend their right to do it without being called brainless cowards or evil. Not being Christian doesn't necessarily mean not being religious, by the way. Open your mind, lad.
@TheAceForce If, by the way, I'm saying, that Hitler was no Christian, I'm defending my right as a German to be treated with respect. To break down the Nazi's ideology to Christian believe systems, is to break down our history to something other than it is. It's simplifying to a high degree. It's dangerously making light of it. It's also very stupid. What happened that time, grew over decades in the heart of a secularised Europe. And it had nothing to do with religious feelings whatsoever.
@TheAceForce In the last 200 years humanity has known the worst wars and slaughters ever. Most of them have been ideologically motivated by an ideal based on the total power of the State: nationalism and real socialism.
@xaviqaz "'In the last 200 years humanity has known the worst wars and slaughters ever. Most of them have been ideologically motivated by an ideal based on the total power of the State: nationalism and real socialism."
@mccartherable Every Christian believes something slightly different about Jesus' teachings. By that definition you are the only true Christian in your eyes and 'Bob' is the only true Christian in his eyes and 'Karl' is the only true Christian in his eyes etc. Hitler clearly was a true Christian, baptized then following what he thought was Jesus' teachings. Did you know Jesus scolded parents for not stoning to death their disobedient child? Not all of his teachings were good.
@DavBlc7 Each believer believes the alleged god is on their side in life and in war. It's a mistake though since there is no alleged god other than the idea of it in your brain. Gods can't exist in Nature due to the many laws of Nature in the Objective Reality of Nature. Speed of light prevents alleged gods from being real since they can't be omniscient due to the fact that it takes time for information to travel from one place to another. Simple hard fact of life. Time to unlearn your myths.
Jesus was a jew. What Hitler may or may not have believed went completely against the teaching so Christ. When Hitler was refering to "god," he was refering to Satan, the god of this world.
@DavBlc7 It's also utterly typical of believers to believe that their alleged god can't be on the side of the "enemy" so they must not really be believers in the alleged god at all but just evil people. No they were just as much believers as any believer in alleged gods is delusional. Many we're "evil" in that they had no regard for life but that can also be said of those on both sides. Human conflict is the evil that humans use to do harm to each other, so learn how to resolve conflict.
@DavBlc7 The God of Christians is in no way the same as that of Muslims. Muslims don't believe in the trinaty nor do they belive Jesus was WHO HE SAID HE WAS...THE SON OF GOD. In fact, that's why the Jews rejected Christ. He claimed to be GOD--the Messiah of Israel. They rejected Him b/c he came as a servent not as a king, a scraficial lamb not a concorer. They wanted him to distroy Rome but he came to distroy SIN.
The "god" of Adolf Hitler was of a pagan pantheistic rendition, not of a Judeo-Christian theistic nature. The creator god of Naziism is the self-existent, eternal & ever-evolving cosmic consciousness. The Jesus of the Nazi Pantheistic religion is not a Jew, but of Aryan decent who stood against the Jewish people. The Nazi's banned the Old Testament of the Bible because it is Jewish & the writings of Apostle Paul in the New Testament because Hilter considered Paul to have "Judaized" Christianity.
@MountThor Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was simply giving what I know of the Nazi perspective on these issues. I am politically a conservative libertarian(Ron Paul 2012!) and an Eastern Orthodox Christian. Also, I am of mixed Native American and European ancestry.
They were not christians because true christians have the fruits of the Holy Spirit which are LOVE,JOY,PEACE,PATIENCE,KINDNESS,GOODNESS,FAITHFULNESS,GENTLENESS and SELF-CONTROL...TRUE CHRISTIANS DON'T USE VIOLENCE in resolving problems
It always surprises me that Jesus wasn't spoken of in the common circles of the Greek-speaking world for fear of the Jews for nearly fifty years after his death. Likewise, it's been seventy years since the end of the War and only recently has the ice begun to be broken, and the truth egun to be revealed at last.
As lebe die Nationalsozialistische Bewegung, es lebe Deutschland!
@lundvithr There isn't even a single concrete proof that Jesus fucking existed yet you say "50 years after his death" with so much fucking certainty. How the fuck is this possible? By the way christians were more afraid of Greeks and Romans than jews.
And haven't you got enough for fuck's sake? You lost the fucking war...
Saying the facts often is no great thing, other times it is important. In the case of Hitler's belief in the alleged "God" it's important since so many believers in the alleged "God" deny that Hitler was a believer.
The alleged "devil" can't "believe" in the alleged "God" since the alleged "devil" isn't a real being at all but just a fictional character in various mythologies invented by humans.
Thumbs down, I don`t think you people can make the difference between good and evil. What is our world today? CRAP! Democracy? A joke! Freedom? Hell yeah, and I`m Tutankhamun. Results of Hitler`s defeat:
- half a century of comunism, which includes: hunger, cold, no private property, do freedom, not even to talk, government controlling your whole life, deportations, executions, and so on. And as for the others: economic crises, sedentarity, manipulation by any means necesary
@GoringSS The world has both good and evil in it. To claim "it's crap", is to see the world as you choose to see it, not the way it is. Which also directly implies you're incapable of determining good from evil yourself.
To the rest of your stupidity, it's not even worth addressing.
As you can see a lot of people agree with me. Yeah, we must be all stupid and you're a little Einstein, in your "perfect" world. Go outside, get some air and open your eyes moron!
"Gott Mit Uns" existed long before Nazism. It was the Motto of the Hohenzollern Royal Family, who ruled Germany well for nearly 400 years. Learn history. Hitler invoking the motto was him simply connecting himself to the former rulers.
Schmidtah 1 month ago
@Schmidtah Very interesting yet very christian all the same. Rulers using the childish mythologies of those they command on pain of death to cause death and mayhem and mass murderous genocide all in the name of their christian mythology. The evils of religion so ingrained in the people for 400 years. If christians are capable of such atrocities what other horrors are they and their nonsense mythology capable of?
MountThor 1 month ago
@MountThor: Communist atheists have killed more people than Christians.
Schmidtah 1 month ago
@Schmidtah The Communists mass murdered because of COMMUNISM and political power, not because of atheism which is merely not believing in the idiocy of your alleged god genocidal. The religious have killed more atheists because of their horrifying religious nonsense than the reverse.
MountThor 1 month ago 2
@MountThor: Whose to say Christians didn't kill for political power?
Schmidtah 6 days ago
@Schmidtah Who's to say any religion or political ideal hasn't killed or mamed for power. Sieg heil to the best. Fuck off to the rest.
FuhrerWasASaint 6 days ago
@Schmidtah Not factually correct.
MountThor 5 days ago
God in translated subtitles. You can say anything in subtitles. However to give them the benifit of the doupt. He could be talking about Jesus the Christian God. The question is; is Hitler a christian? Well this might be hard for an atheist as you would actully have to open a bible to do this. Ask; Does Hitlers promotion and authorization of the mass geniside of Jews, Blacks, and Gays coinside with what Jesus taught? if yes: Hitler was a good christian! If no then except Hitler for what he was.
decosteve71 1 month ago
@decosteve71 Hitler was a Roman Catholic Christian.
MountThor 1 month ago 6
@decosteve71 Yes Hitler's actions are consistent with the alleged god genocidal. Read the frigging bible.
God Slaughters Blacks: "And there came out against them Zerah the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand, and three hundred chariots..." (II Chronicles 14:9)
Jesus is the alleged God in Christian mythology. Dah.
MountThor 1 month ago 2
@decosteve71 Godly Mass Murder: "And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." (I Samuel 6:19)
MountThor 1 month ago
@MountThor Heil Hitler
FuhrerWasASaint 6 days ago
@FuhrerWasASaint Fuck off evil person.
MountThor 5 days ago
@MountThor What? Dude, he was baptised Catholic, but he never spent a day in Church. He always sided with Protestants, ergo, he was Protestant.
MontChevalier 10 hours ago
@MountThor
He was as much Christian as Himmler, both came from Catholic families but later abandoned their faith in favor of some hybrid nonsense that was supposed to be the new official religion of the Reich. He pretended in the beginning his attachement to Christian traitions to gain trust and support, later he obviously showed his true colors.
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@decosteve71 "God in translated subtitles. You can say anything in subtitles" As a native German speaker I can assure you the subtitles are quite accurate. I'd also like to point out that we atheists couldn't care less that Hitler was a christian. Its meaningless to us. However, when christians love to say "Hitler was an atheist." We have to respond to set the record straight. The fact is he was a Roman Catholic who despised atheists and believed that he was doing god's good work. Truth hurts.
eyeh8u1 1 month ago
I wonder what would've happened if one of his original plans, to ship the jews to madagascar, would've succeeded. If WWII would've happened then. And if we would have Israel and all that bs war-thingy going on there in gaza.
FHomeBrew 1 month ago
Joseph Stalin { Atheist } : Killed 20 million Human
Vladimir Lenin { Atheist } Killed 200,000 Human
Mao Tse Tung { Atheist } Killed 30 million Human
Kim-Il-Sung { Atheist }: Killed 4 million Human
Slobodan Miloshevich { Atheist }: Killed 300,000 Human
Pol Pot - Cambodia Leader { Atheist }: Killed 2 million Human
Fidel Castro { Atheist }: Killed 1 million Human
Atheism is peace !!
Fahd4Cool 2 months ago
@Fahd4Cool Stalin, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, Kim-II-Sung, Slobodan Miloshevich, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, et al. were all COMMUNIST CULT LEADERS and as such where leaders of their own religions aka dictator cults, and if their followers didn't believe in them then those followers die or worse. COMMUNISM is as much a RELIGION as CHRISTIANITY.
To make believe that it was their alleged atheism that had them mass murder people is insanity, it was their power politics at any cost that drove them.
MountThor 2 months ago 5
@MountThor Lenin wasn't.. it was not until Stalin that the cult of the personality was used by Stalin to use Lenin after his death to claim authority.
Lenin however believed in the will of the people... this was all trashed by the failure of the revolution which allowed thugs like Stalin to claim power for capitalists.
The others were proto capitalist movements.. ie glorious leader bosses leading peasants with trickledown promises.
Not communist.. they were state capitalist.
marsCubed 1 month ago
@Fahd4Cool Without millions of loyal COMMUNIST-CULT-Members FOLLOWING them like they were GODS no where near those numbers would have been murdered. It is the religious devotion to Communism or Socialism or Christianity or Islam that has these large scale mass murders happen.
Atheism is merely believing in one less alleged god than you religious freaks believe in. Atheism says NOTHING about politics and as such didn't drive those mass murders, it was their crazed power politics that drove them.
MountThor 2 months ago
@Fahd4Cool Hitler on the other hand was a Christian who used his Christian religion as a tool to control tens of millions of people who went on a mass murderous rampage throughout the world. The Nazi's wore christian symbols on their uniforms.
MountThor 2 months ago
@Fahd4Cool Watch this video: y o u t u . b e / iyYwo7X4zck
MountThor 2 months ago
@Fahd4Cool COMMUNISM uses the same mechanism as RELIGION to achieve it's goals, collectivism. You can see this pernicious evil of collectivism at work within Islam, Christianity, and other religions. COLLECTIVISM is an essential aspect of RELIGION.
Where you don't see it is with atheism since atheism is merely the rejection of any belief in any alleged gods. Atheism says NOTHING about politics.
MountThor 2 months ago
@Fahd4Cool Lol, god made all those people, according to his plan of course.
FHomeBrew 1 month ago
@Fahd4Cool slobodan milosevic was christian. Hitler was christian and i'm pretty shure that others were brought up in the religions of choice.
spurezurko 1 month ago
@Fahd4Cool
These people did not kill in the name of Atheism. They just happened not to follow any of the existing religions.
Religious people kill in the name of their religion.
There is BIG difference.
Them being atheists had literally nothing to do with their wars. They don't represent Atheism by any stretch of the imagination. Atheism is not "peace", or "war". Atheism only exist as the absence of religious beliefs.
So the score is still 0-millions.
WhereTheyAre 1 month ago
@Fahd4Cool have you ever seen a person saying "i do this in the name of atheism?" have you ever seen someone say "i do this in the name of my god?" you fail, and you will keep failing hard defending your bullshit religion.
goreziad 1 month ago
Dumb. Just because Hitler invoked God doesn't mean he's a Christian. Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Bahai's and all sorts of pagans invoke god, too. Try again.
seancoxen 2 months ago
Fallacy of guilt by association, the favourite sport of anti-christian people. I can play that game too: Hitler was a vegetarian and an ecologist... Take your conclusions ;-)
xaviqaz 4 months ago
eh so hitler and god are buddies
commenterunknown 5 months ago
Thank you, christanity for giving us another blood thirsty, hateful killer.
TheDarkLordLucifer 5 months ago
@TheDarkLordLucifer Yes, ecologism and vegetarianism gave us nazism too
xaviqaz 4 months ago
"Gott mit uns!"
BRONCOWEN 5 months ago
Anyone can claime to be a Christian. If you read and new what Jesus taught, you'd know that Hitler certiaonly was NOT.
mccartherable 6 months ago
@mccartherable Of course he was a christian and so where the millions who followed him... they where all evil christians carrying out the word of their alleged god of the bible. Clearly you need to read it and see it's crimes against humanity that Hitler got his marching orders from.
MountThor 6 months ago
@MountThor Please inform yourself, before you talk about things. Neither Hitler, nor most Nazis were Christians, even in a general sense. Just like other things about culture, public and philosophy were instrumentalised for NS ideology. Christendom was a strong part of German culture, so the Nazis couldn't just neglect it in their indoctrination. They instrumentalized Paganism as well. Literature. Science.
So if Hitler was a Christian, he was a heathen scientist and philospher as well.
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@eynesprayer That's really funny denial you're engaged in eynesprayer. Good luck with it.
MountThor 6 months ago
@MountThor Yeah, please don't make that step out of your comfort zone to argue your point. Just say your interlocutor is engaged in denial and leave it at that. Good luck with that.
Please, I'm open for your input. Prove me wrong for what I've said. But spare me your displaced cynism, if it's just for the very questionable sake of your feeling superior.
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@eynesprayer The video proves you wrong, Hitler and the vast majority of Nazi soldiers where Christians of one sect or another.
Christians are an evil group, you worship the alleged god genocidal who in your mythology has no problem committing mass murderous genocide left, right and center in the bible not to mention on a planetary scale with the flood.
So much for your alleged loving alleged god... he only loves those who bow down and obey and then he tortures the rest for all eternity. Nice
MountThor 6 months ago
@MountThor The video just proves what I say, which is that Nazis instrumentalised Christendom.
I'm having a big problem with the words "you" and "your" in your coment, implying that I'd be Christian. Well, I'm not. I'm also having a problem with what you think is the stereotype of a Christian. Claiming that Christians are evil and that they are because they'd be taking every verse of the Bible as literal as you do is ... well. Narrow-minded. And it lacks truth in fact.
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@eynesprayer They take oaths to the alleged god, the alleged christian god, in the video. Deny all you want it won't change the facts in evidence.
If you're not a christian bit deal. It sounded like you were due to the way you're talking. I was raised in a christian home so I know full what a christian is.
Christian mythology is evil as I pointed out. You can worship a genocidal alleged god if you want but I'll have no part in it since it's immoral and unethical to worship a mass murderer.
MountThor 6 months ago
Even though the mythology is just a mythology that they falsely believe is real it's still an immoral and unethical act to worship an genocidal alleged god as the alleged god of the bible documents very well.
MountThor 6 months ago
@MountThor If you wanna see the Bible as a word-by-word documentation, well, you may claim their belief unethical. What tells you, that the Bible is a documentary work? And for that matter: What about other religions? Are they all evil, too? What about science and nature? There's nothing as cruel and nothing is proven to have killed more people that nature itself. Modern societies' most cruel crimes are based on science after all. Am I evil for being faithful in nature and science?
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@eynesprayer You do not need faith in science. For example 2+2=4, I did not have to believe in anything to figure that out. Requiring faith to figure out 2+2=4 is illogical and makes no sense at all. Praying does not give you the answer to a math question lol. YOU figure the answer out yourself using YOUR BRAIN.
TheAceForce 6 months ago
@eynesprayer Science does not do any harm at all. Where in any science or math text-book does it tell you to go rape and murder people? The fact is: nowhere. In religious texts, they tell you to rape, murder, own slaves, etc. If you want me to quote bible verses for you, just ask me; everything horrible you want to know is written in the bible.
TheAceForce 6 months ago
@TheAceForce Science did great harm in the history of mankind. Think of weapons of mass destruction. Think of the scientific experiments done to living humans. Concentration camps for example did a great deal in using living people to experiment. Science as well as faith is always in the hands of men. Of men, who either do evil or not, who either misuse the Bible's verses, who either misuse science, or not. It's not in black and white, science is good, religion is evil. It is more complicated.
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@eynesprayer No not all religions are evil. The native people of North-America had their own religions that were peaceful and one with nature. Guess who raped, tortured, and destroyed them? Christians. They called the natives savages. Who were the real savages?
TheAceForce 6 months ago
@TheAceForce That were Europeans from some hundreds of years ago. How could you possibly make people of a certain culture responsible for crimes that happened in a time, when human rights weren't even existent as an idea. Yes, Christian church brought great horror over the world. As did Germany some decades ago. Now tell me, am I evil for being German? Am I evil for being European? For being male (you might know, what men did to women in the course of the last thousands of years)?
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@TheAceForce Catholic conquerors didn´t exterminate natives. Go to South America.
xaviqaz 4 months ago
@eynesprayer People fight wars over religion. Math: People do not fight wars over 2+2=4. Physics: People do not fight wars over gravity. Religion tries to fight a war against science, using the help of science: Hypocrisy? I find it funny how religious people who do not even understand how a computer works are using that very same computer to try and communicate with their cognitively retarded brain(s). I am not saying you are religious so do not jump to assumptions.
TheAceForce 6 months ago
@TheAceForce Funny though, that all the assumptions here are coming from you. Yes, people fight wars over religion. They also fight wars over some piece of land, "living space" or just for the sake of a triumph, sometimes just to extirpate a people. Without having any religious motivation whatsoever. So who's there to blame? The whole of a country, of a nation, of a people? The whole of humankind? Tell me, so I can get my pitch forks and torches ready.
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@TheAceForce As we are on it: Only a very, very, very small amount of people, religious or not, takes the Bible literally. This is, because it is a work of literature and highly complicated and problematic. And because the upmost of Christians are taking human rights and the reverence for life and mind and stuff more serious than their believes, than even themselves. So they try to accomodate, struggle to find a decent center between what they believe in and what they are required to believe.
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@TheAceForce World isn't as simple as you suppose, is what I'm saying. Some people are evil, not entire cultures or religions or nations. If you see a Christian doing evil, it's an evil person who happens to be Christian. Hitler happened to be German.
And even there it is much more complicated, cos there is a long history preceding, that put causality into the soup of consequence. If you'd know that, and if you had any idea of German history, you would not postulate that Hitler was Christian.
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@eynesprayer Religion is about shutting your brain off, and being a coward. People who are afraid to die need to ease themselves with lies. It is like trying to defend someone's belief in unicorns. If you do not believe in unicorns then why would you try to defend it? You would not. That is why I find it kind of ironic that you even bother trying to defend religion. Defending religion is defending idiocy.
TheAceForce 6 months ago
@TheAceForce It makes perfect sense, what you say. In your very own definition. But, as you should know, our world works intersubjective, thus your very own definition can't be the measure. I defend everyone's right to believe in G-d, unicorns and whatever they want to believe in. And I defend their right to do it without being called brainless cowards or evil. Not being Christian doesn't necessarily mean not being religious, by the way. Open your mind, lad.
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@TheAceForce If, by the way, I'm saying, that Hitler was no Christian, I'm defending my right as a German to be treated with respect. To break down the Nazi's ideology to Christian believe systems, is to break down our history to something other than it is. It's simplifying to a high degree. It's dangerously making light of it. It's also very stupid. What happened that time, grew over decades in the heart of a secularised Europe. And it had nothing to do with religious feelings whatsoever.
eynesprayer 6 months ago
@TheAceForce In the last 200 years humanity has known the worst wars and slaughters ever. Most of them have been ideologically motivated by an ideal based on the total power of the State: nationalism and real socialism.
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@xaviqaz "'In the last 200 years humanity has known the worst wars and slaughters ever. Most of them have been ideologically motivated by an ideal based on the total power of the State: nationalism and real socialism."
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You forgot the biggest killer: Religion.
losghost 4 months ago
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MountThor 6 months ago
@mccartherable Every Christian believes something slightly different about Jesus' teachings. By that definition you are the only true Christian in your eyes and 'Bob' is the only true Christian in his eyes and 'Karl' is the only true Christian in his eyes etc. Hitler clearly was a true Christian, baptized then following what he thought was Jesus' teachings. Did you know Jesus scolded parents for not stoning to death their disobedient child? Not all of his teachings were good.
JAB63096 6 months ago
It's strange - Muslims fights Jews yet Koran same as bible and most of Old Testaments were there. Jesus was seen as prophet rather than Son of God.
Nearly all of us especially Christians and Muslims worships same God yet all three fought each others! Strange!
It seems God was on side of the Allies noting that we beat the Nazis.
DavBlc7 6 months ago
@DavBlc7 Each believer believes the alleged god is on their side in life and in war. It's a mistake though since there is no alleged god other than the idea of it in your brain. Gods can't exist in Nature due to the many laws of Nature in the Objective Reality of Nature. Speed of light prevents alleged gods from being real since they can't be omniscient due to the fact that it takes time for information to travel from one place to another. Simple hard fact of life. Time to unlearn your myths.
MountThor 6 months ago
@MountThor
Jesus was a jew. What Hitler may or may not have believed went completely against the teaching so Christ. When Hitler was refering to "god," he was refering to Satan, the god of this world.
mccartherable 6 months ago
@DavBlc7 It's also utterly typical of believers to believe that their alleged god can't be on the side of the "enemy" so they must not really be believers in the alleged god at all but just evil people. No they were just as much believers as any believer in alleged gods is delusional. Many we're "evil" in that they had no regard for life but that can also be said of those on both sides. Human conflict is the evil that humans use to do harm to each other, so learn how to resolve conflict.
MountThor 6 months ago
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@DavBlc7 The God of Christians is in no way the same as that of Muslims. Muslims don't believe in the trinaty nor do they belive Jesus was WHO HE SAID HE WAS...THE SON OF GOD. In fact, that's why the Jews rejected Christ. He claimed to be GOD--the Messiah of Israel. They rejected Him b/c he came as a servent not as a king, a scraficial lamb not a concorer. They wanted him to distroy Rome but he came to distroy SIN.
mccartherable 6 months ago
The "god" of Adolf Hitler was of a pagan pantheistic rendition, not of a Judeo-Christian theistic nature. The creator god of Naziism is the self-existent, eternal & ever-evolving cosmic consciousness. The Jesus of the Nazi Pantheistic religion is not a Jew, but of Aryan decent who stood against the Jewish people. The Nazi's banned the Old Testament of the Bible because it is Jewish & the writings of Apostle Paul in the New Testament because Hilter considered Paul to have "Judaized" Christianity.
NABegley 6 months ago
@NABegley You sound like a white power racist monster.
MountThor 6 months ago
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NABegley 6 months ago
@MountThor Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was simply giving what I know of the Nazi perspective on these issues. I am politically a conservative libertarian(Ron Paul 2012!) and an Eastern Orthodox Christian. Also, I am of mixed Native American and European ancestry.
NABegley 6 months ago
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They were not christians because true christians have the fruits of the Holy Spirit which are LOVE,JOY,PEACE,PATIENCE,KINDNESS,GOODNESS,FAITHFULNESS,GENTLENESS and SELF-CONTROL...TRUE CHRISTIANS DON'T USE VIOLENCE in resolving problems
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 7 months ago
It always surprises me that Jesus wasn't spoken of in the common circles of the Greek-speaking world for fear of the Jews for nearly fifty years after his death. Likewise, it's been seventy years since the end of the War and only recently has the ice begun to be broken, and the truth egun to be revealed at last.
As lebe die Nationalsozialistische Bewegung, es lebe Deutschland!
lundvithr 8 months ago
@lundvithr There isn't even a single concrete proof that Jesus fucking existed yet you say "50 years after his death" with so much fucking certainty. How the fuck is this possible? By the way christians were more afraid of Greeks and Romans than jews.
And haven't you got enough for fuck's sake? You lost the fucking war...
TheBlindPowerslave 8 months ago
Saying the facts often is no great thing, other times it is important. In the case of Hitler's belief in the alleged "God" it's important since so many believers in the alleged "God" deny that Hitler was a believer.
The alleged "devil" can't "believe" in the alleged "God" since the alleged "devil" isn't a real being at all but just a fictional character in various mythologies invented by humans.
MountThor 11 months ago
To say Hitler belived in God is no great thing. Even the devil belives in God.
MrMaxTruth 11 months ago
@MrMaxTruth "Even the devil belives in God."
That's like saying even the Tooth Fairy believes in Santa Claus.
TheHigherVoltage 9 months ago 10
@TheHigherVoltage The difference is both are realities , if not to you they were to the germans.
MrMaxTruth 9 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage
Thumbs down, I don`t think you people can make the difference between good and evil. What is our world today? CRAP! Democracy? A joke! Freedom? Hell yeah, and I`m Tutankhamun. Results of Hitler`s defeat:
- half a century of comunism, which includes: hunger, cold, no private property, do freedom, not even to talk, government controlling your whole life, deportations, executions, and so on. And as for the others: economic crises, sedentarity, manipulation by any means necesary
GoringSS 4 months ago 6
@GoringSS The world has both good and evil in it. To claim "it's crap", is to see the world as you choose to see it, not the way it is. Which also directly implies you're incapable of determining good from evil yourself.
To the rest of your stupidity, it's not even worth addressing.
TheHigherVoltage 4 months ago
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GoringSS 1 month ago
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@TheHigherVoltage
As you can see a lot of people agree with me. Yeah, we must be all stupid and you're a little Einstein, in your "perfect" world. Go outside, get some air and open your eyes moron!
GoringSS 1 month ago