Gay Sensitivity Training for Christians--or No Degree (Part 1)

[stpkeaton]

So basically Counselors cannot counsel people who need help.

Good luck screwed up people. Because if you leave God out of the equation, that's all you have is luck.



[xXShigofumiXx]

You can't and you refuse are two different things

[sparkz18]

. What would we come to if just anyone could become a therapist? Someone going to therapy deserves to have a competent therapist. Don't become a doctor if you refuse to help a person of color, don't become a therapist if you refuse to help LGBT.

[sparkz18]

as someone who has to abide by the ACA Code of Ethics. you don't become a counselor and licensed only due to passing grades, you have to be competent and do no harm to clients. Just as a medical doctor would not be licensed if not deemed fit. this is not an issue of religious freedom, or the first ammendment, but about being qualified for a license.

[yootubematt]

Why would a fundamentalist christian want to be a consular anyway? Wouldn't every client of theirs end up with a "go read the bible" speech?

[CarlosMarti123]

Wow, and I thought there was freedom of religion in America.

[viriatoist]

How did America go from being a nation with a culture predicated on the Judeo-Christian ethos to being a drove of decadent swine?

[Longsday]

What's actually going on here is you can't be a counsellor and a bigot at this public university.

[RisenPhoenix68]

So they require her to go to a gay parade and admit how sleazy she felt watching sweaty pretty men wearing thongs and chaps rub up on one another? You think she'd want to go to a club and engage in that behavior as a heterosexual? More "Progressive" Nazis on the move in the programming facilities they call universities.

[sunset261]

This guy's argument is ridiculous, nobody is challenging her right to believe what she wants. however it becomes an issue when your beliefs that you freely profess, impair your ability to properly counsel other. Does anybody honestly think she'd make any gay clients feel any better about themselves?

[findlayr]

This is some of the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Mr. David French is so far off the mark with his First Amendment argument. No one is attacking her first amendment rights. What is in question is her ability to perform her job as a counselor, and specifically her ability to deal with gay students.

[TheLownr]

So the 1st amendment is once again thrown out the window...interesting.

[TheLownr]

So the 1st amendent is once again thrown out the window...interesting.

[Nixmix24]

I'm so sick of this liberal PC bull shit... Give me a break you pussies..

[Redcarpet01]

@Nixmix24 You're saying anti-discrimination laws are not supported by the Right at all in the US?

[Nixmix24]

@Redcarpet01 Where did you pull that out of?

[Redcarpet01]

@Nixmix24 she allegedly told a student to take 'conversion therapy' for example. Look for The Chronicle of Higher Education article ' Augusta State U. Is Accused of Requiring a Counseling Student to Accept Homosexuality' July 22, 2010.

[Nixmix24]

@Redcarpet01 I still don't see how you equate that to nobody on the Right supports anti-discrimination laws.

[Redcarpet01]

@Nixmix24 Look back to what you said. Either way this woman acted inappropriately. If you want to be a counselor stick to the procedure.

[Nixmix24]

@Redcarpet01 My original comment has to do with all of this PC bullshit going on where nobody can ever be offended. Like that's even reasonable to go throughout your life not being offended or offending others. That has nothing to do with what you claim. In fact, it has nothing to do with anti-discrimination laws period. Again I ask you, how did you pull that conclusion out of your ass that I think everybody on the Right doesn't support those laws?

[Redcarpet01]

@Nixmix24 I asked a rhetorical question. So there's no need for either of us to answer. And this is less about offense than procedure, The woman in question broke it, henceforth the story breaks as it did.

[Nixmix24]

@Redcarpet01 It's a poor rhetorical question then because it has nothing to do with what I was taking about or even what the video was about. A rhetorical question also has an obvious answer and if you are implying that I do think that, you need to take your head out of your ass.

[FantomForce215]

for fucks sake! they dont care if the bitch changes her religious beliefs, they just want her to keep them to herself. and why do they keep acting like tolerance classes are a bad thing?!

[kh739]

Look,Erin Martz, you're on BiasRoom with Chick-spin-person on CNNLIVE just say yay for gay put on a pride flag tee-shirt say god is dead and this Christian woman should be burned at the stake for not worshiping at the multicultural-multicolored-eve­rything-friendly-(except Christianity)-altar of LIBERALISM and CONDEMN this graduate student before this Chick-spin-person's head explodes for not getting her bias to dictate what you're supposed to parrot.

[candidskeptic]

She says it's not an issue of thought policing, then says that it's about embracing diversity and multiculturalism. Instead of the hot button issue of homosexuality, imagine there is a counselor who is a big environmentalist who feel like people involved in the oil industry are raping nature. Should she be singled out and have to go through this multicultural training since there is possibility that she could have an oil man as a client? Apparently counselors can't have opinions.

[Shindashi]

@candidskeptic You almost hit the mark: they're required to keep their opinions quiet insofar as they would adversely affect the counseling.

[borisgoodenough1988]

why does this young woman seem like she went to carrie prejean high

[MooseOfReason]

Does Augusta University receive federal funding?

[MooseOfReason]

Or any tax dollars, local, state, or federal?

[OregonAlleyCat]

@MooseOfReason Its a state University. I would imagine so.

Ok, just checked their web page and yes, there is an article about their science department receiving a grant from the National Science Foundation.

[MooseOfReason]

@OregonAlleyCat I'm not sure why I was wondering that. It made sense in my head, but now I don't know. Lol.

[OregonAlleyCat]

@MooseOfReason lol No worries man.

[OregonAlleyCat]

This young lady tries to portray herself as being persecuted by an overbearing university but her story sounds a little fishy to me. I find it entirely understandable that a person have at least a basic understanding of the various sub-cultures in America (like the LGBT community) if they expect to be an effective counselor. If she would be unwilling to empathize with and counsel a LGBT person and may even try to push her own beliefs on them then she should *not* become a counselor.

[OregonAlleyCat]

@OregonAlleyCat The school has clearly gone out of its way to attempt to find ways to inform her on this issue that dont conflict with her beliefs but those attempts appear to have been rebuffed. This young lady, simply put, is being closed minded and unfortunately playing the poor persecuted minority card. Not getting much simpathy from me, but due to my being an atheist I admit I may be a bit biased.

[wali0022]

@OregonAlleyCat I clearly heard that she along with the other students took a diversity class and that she did well. Why should she be singled out to take this remediation course? Has she indicated that she would impose her values and beliefs on others? She has a right to freedom of speech and religion.

[sunset261]

@wali0022 Yes she has indicated that she would impose her values, like she said, she is not afraid to share her beliefs. What if a gay person who needs counseling was sent to her after they came out of the closet and people began to not accept them? She would certainly only make their problems worse.

[wali0022]

@OregonAlleyCat I'm sorry... I didn't hear the part when she said she would " be unwilling to empathize with and counsel a LGBT person and may even try to push her own beliefs on them." Also there was no mention here that she doesn't have a basic understanding of the variuos sub-cultures in America (like the LGBT community). What I did hear in a longer clip posted on You Tube is that they are imposing this remediation plan on her with the goal of changing her beliefs.

[Redcarpet01]

@wali0022 She wanted to cherry-pick on whom she counseled and what she'd say to them.

[MrRandomtvshow]

@wali0022 if a gay person went and want help, you think its right just to say 'your going to hell and i'm not helping you'. IS THAT RIGHT AT ALL