Is Christ the TRUE King- Or is Christ just my King??

[BlackCappa]

What say you regarding His words "My Kingdom is not of this world"?

It is Catholic teaching that the state is subject to the Church: the state is a servant of the Church, as the body must be subject to the spirit. However, this is practically only possible IF indeed Catholics rule a certain state.

Are you familiar of the debate between Robert Sungenis and Sedevacantists over the declaration on religious freedom?

[1rams123]

I have not seen this debate.

The Traditional Catholic doctrine does not in imply coercion. It teaches a conversion of the state. It means at least reaching for this ideal as much as possible in prudence- not causing some sort of coup.

Re: "My Kingdom is not of this world"

It doesn't matter what I say, see Tradition:

-The Fathers and Tradition teaches: "Not of this world" does not mean "Not in this world".

for example: see Thomas' comments on verse 36:

dhspriory . o r g /thomas/CAJohn.htm#18

[BlackCappa]

Thanks for the link.

When we speak of conversion of the state: what exactly is meant by this? Would this include the criminalization of heresy (something like sharia law perhaps)?

[1rams123]

I wouldn't use Sharia Law as an example because sharia law often undermines The Natural Law.

The state would make the decision as to whether/how to punish heresy. To my knowledge, history has shown us that most converted Catholic states do criminalize heresy. & By heresy is meant the public profession of heresy- not privately. The Church has always afforded, for example, the rights of parents to educate their children because the natural law gives them that right- even if they are heretics.

[BlackCappa]

@1rams123

In what way does that square with dignitatis humanae which seems to grant people the civil right to choosing and practicing whatever religion? If indeed the public profession of heresy were criminialized, would this does make the suggestion of DH impossible?

[1rams123]

To be honest... I don't know- I will wait for clairification from Rome via the SSPX discussions.

I will say this though - As stated in my video DH #1 states the traditional doctrine remains 'untouched'.

One possibility that has been entertained is that DH could be making a distinction between moral and legal rights... but all in all, I don't know. What's sure is this, in light of traditional teaching, DH is unclear.

It may be clarified, modified, or burned and redrafted... who knows....

[BlackCappa]

@1rams123

Life as a Church in the underground is a bit easier than being the leader.

[1rams123]

-But it is the Church's divine vocation to guide humanity on the course to salvation... we mustn't abandon our vocation.

- If only so many priests (who abandoned their vocations) had known this.

[sukka113]

is this video suggesting that the Church and the state should be seperated?

[1rams123]

precisely the opposite my dear friend. The state and society are a result of the social God has made in us- therefore the state and society are creatures of God, and thus subject to His rule. Nations subject themselves to the Kingship of Christ the True King, who is not just King of individuals- but King over all creation, by submitting to the teaching authority of His Church on earth. The traditional Catholic teaching is that states should profess publically the truth of the catholic church.