fuck bruce lee, helio gracie is the most important martial arts master of all time. so intelligent and humble, granted he did some foolish things in his younger years, you can't help but respect and admire him
Great interview with the man himself. It's real amazing that Grand Maser Helio spent a portion of his childhood frail, and now he's near 100 years of age and is still teaching. I hope that if I maintain a disciplined diet and exercise like he has regardless of health condition, I can live as long as him and still be active in jiujitsu.
The unique success of BJJ is in their willingness to test everything in Combat, against all arts, all opponents of all shapes and sizes. Practise makes perfect. The techniques themselves are not original but has there ever been an unique technique in the last 200 years?
Helio was actualy the one who incorporated leverage into Jiu Jitsu, He learned from Carlos. He was in bad health at the time and once was asked to help instruct. Through so much time watching is how he put the idea of using bigger parts of the body against smaller parts(joints) and there the story begins
I think he was taught by his brother Carlos, who he mentions. I might be wrong but Carlos was the only one taught by Mitsuyo Maeda, who called the art jujutsu.
Checkout Geoff Thompson again, he started out studying things like Shotokan, Kung Fu etc. but time on the door he realised he'd need. pragmatic full-contact martial arts and combat sports to serve his purpose.
From what i've seen of Ninjutsu and such the closest to ground fighting ive seen is armlocking, wristlocking etc. the opponent and taking them to the ground thought the persn applying it is still standing on knee riding their back.
from the fights i've seen lately, 90% end from striking. everyones become such a good grappler it seem that noone can submit the other guy anymore. of course the rules effect this as well..ie..when they get stood up..bs i think they should let them fight nonstop til one of them wins like in the beginning.
No I was just pointing out your "geoff thompson if im not mistaken is primarily known as a knockout artist" quote.
And who focus' only standup? All the karateka's, kickboxers, hapikido, ninjutsu, boxers, jujutsu etc. and they all gor subbed by the Gracies, but because they lacked any sort of ground knowledge, whether it be fighting on the ground or a takedown defence.
as have i, but only two out of i dont know how many. just my opinion from my experience, that the statement "90% of fights end up on the ground" ...then again i could have a problem with the term FIGHT..that is something that is agreed to. self defense isn't.
i was speaking of the arts and or/roots related to bjj ie..judo/jujutsu.
boxing is hardly a martial art. it is a martial sport as is kickboxing. jujutsu, judo, ninjutsu, all have defenses from the ground, and always have. thats where bjj got the idea. helio just expanded on something that already existed.
I'd take boxing and muaythai over ninjutsu and jujutsu anyday.
From my experience too much of it is, one compliment puts his hand out and the other person does a wrist lock or armlock and submits them to the floor. Sure drillings great, but there never seems to be any pressure testing there.
where do you think the term newaza comes from? it was around long before helio gracie, or even jigoro kano. as i said, it is not like...ok we're both on the ground and we're gonna wrestle. it's more like, if i get taken down i have defenses from a standing opponent. if i take you down i have ways of finishing you there. not active sportive type grappling so much.
if you study bjj, then you already have seen them. why can't people just accept the fact that these kinds of techniques have been around a long time. with a different emphasis, in a different era, under different circumstances. they are more situational than bjj. helio did elevate the art of grappling, noone is saying he didnt. but its not like it was his creation.
He changed alot of it to suit himself. But your logic then Ueshiba didn't create anything, or Mas Oyama etc. But since Helio and Carlos it's eleveted alot by further by the next generation, eg: Gracies, Machado's etc.
correct. they just modified and personalized things that have been in practice for centuries.
helio himself said that gracie jujutsu hasnt changed, the basic idea is the same...thats the important thing, not the individual techniques but the principles that make them work, which he did not create. he used principles of older arts to suit his body type, strength etc
no pressure testing, i pretty much agree with that. the idea is to work with your partner, seeing as they arent your opponent persay. not saying its right or wrong, but its been around much longer than most, so there must be something useful about it.
but you also must remember, self defense isnt like, we face off, we know we're gonna fight, and we both agree to a test of skill. thats sport fighting.
self defense is when someone grabs you, throws a punch at you unexpectedly, in close quarters, not a ring. im not trying to badmouth any art, i respect them all. i've dabbled in thai and boxing myself as well. but they like most arts are only part fighting, and mostly sports with rules.
i never said bruce would win but maybe he would have but don't think it would be as easy as you might think
graice family as challege many great fighters in the history of combat sport joe lewis boxer karate champ joe lewis ali but never bruce ask yourself why they must have had some respect for his skill
I think the best match up would have been royler vs bruce, Bruce knew some grappling as he intergrated it into jeet kun do, if you read "the tao of jeet kun do" he has the armbar as a viable means of ending a fight, so he knew how to submit , i dnt know if he knew the intrecate techniques necessary for dominate positioning, and if he did know them i dought he knew enough to mess with any gracie, i guess that will remain a mystery.....
bruce would have done well in a fight with a graice he was a top student of gene lebell who trained karo plus the graices have to get close to sub you and we all know how fast lee was and how hard he hit read one of his books if you can or watch is doc's
why do mma asses say dumb shit like that instead of thanking master lee they wanna shit on his memory like he could not fight for real he fought in street fights all the time cuz the other chinese didn't want him teaching whites and blacks there secrets he pissed off karate and tkd guys because he believe that no one art is good by itself and he was right he's the original mixed martial artist so show him some fucking respect
Jiu jitsu died out in Japan in favor of Judo shortly after the 1940's. And Jiu Jitsu as it was before Helio was about as effective as judo. Jiu Jitsu as you see today was developed by this man.
how do you know, were you there? or did some bjj instructor tell you that? lol any art that can last 2000 years has to have some merit to it. remember your beloved bjj is based solely off of the japanese art.
No BJJ instructor told me that, the IJF (International Judo Federation) told me that, and as they are the governing body of everything Judo in the world, I'll take their word. Jiu Jitsu as it is today was developed by this man, and if we were practicing jiu jitsu as it was in Japan before, we would essentially be practicing Judo.
of course they told you that, it helps promote their art. but many classical jujutsu systems still exist and are widely practiced. to hear you, you say that all jujutsu is bjj, and that is simply untrue...period.
So no one's word is good enough besides what you believe in? Come up with a list of relevant MMA fighters who practice any Jiu Jitsu other than BJJ that is longer than 0 Names and I'll award you $100.
i dont really give a rats ass what sport fighters do or practice. the simple fact is helio gracie did NOT create jujutsu and thats a fact. BJJ is not all JJ, or if you like...not all JJ is brazilian...which is also a fact. im not denouncing any of them, its just not true that helio created anything he didnt learn and modify from someone else...ie..it already existed well before he did.
I never said he created it and neither did he. He developed Jiu Jitsu as it is known today, period. Jiu Jitsu from Japan was nothing but Judo. It was essentially a stand up fight with throws and some submissions. Jiu jitsu today is essentially submissions, and that was developed by this guy, and that is what everyone practices, and there's nothing that you can do about it.
jujutsu from japan was not judo, that's just how most people teach it, and call it jujutsu. an effective method no doubt, but things are not done the same way in classical jujutsu. jj as it is known today has many varieties..not just brazilian, that's my point. bjj takes ppl down because they cant fight standing up, and their opponents couldnt fight on the ground. helio didnt create anything, he learned it from someone else...period.
But then again, as per your favorite videos I see that you are into Kung Fu and you probably also think it's effective too, thus dumping all the credit you could possibly have down the drain...
and who are you to judge me? i do not practice kung fu fyi (not that it matters or is any of your business) i find the art fascinating, as i find all arts fascinating. you limit yourself in my eyes. there are a great many things to learn from all styles, even rorion gracie will tell you that. hence the reason even bjj is not enough anymore.
If it fascinates you as an art purely ok, but if it fascinates you as an efficient and proven form of defense and fighting, you probably also believe the Pokemon are real and that Superheroes really do exist. No credit for you buddy. And BTW, Rorion's entire career was to disprove inefficient martial arts such as the ones you have favorited. That is why he started the UFC, to promote BJJ and the only other art I've seen him sincerely promote was Muay Thai, which I also very much respect.
why it fascinates me is no concern of yours. i believe all arts are adaptable if practiced right. and i do believe everyone should train in groundfighting of some sort. but i also believe any fighting art thats been around for 2000 years has to have some merit to it. you dont feel the same, fine, you dont have to. all any art should do is teach you principles of combat, not just techniques, and they all can do that.
"what we do is like what the samurai's did"...helio gracie.
who are you to judge anyway..have you ever tried a traditional art? probably not. case closed. and if you think kung fu is like the movies, you really need to get out more.
DO you speak Portuguese at all? If you do, then you're a retard, because in this video he said exactly the opposite of what you just "quoted" him. I've practiced Jiu Jitsu since the age of 4 and Muay Thai for the past 8 years. I also have a degree in Mechanical Engineering and an MBA. I get out plenty and know more people you ever will, including Master many of Master Helio's sons and nephews.
go talk to them then and stop badmouthing thing's you know nothing about. just because something isn't in the ufc everyone thinks it doesn't work. everything you can possibly learn in bjj or muay thai are present in any martial art. because most of what is taught, comes directly from those arts.
I don't think Kung Fu is like in the movies, because in the movies it actually works, unlike in real life. People like you watch those demos and movies and are "fascinated by it"
I'm sure there are plenty of police officers and military men in china who would strongly disagree with you. again, you probably have no first hand experience in kung fu, so what qualifies you to judge? i never intended to insult bjj in any way, just stating the fact that helio didnt create anything. think as you will, and ill do the same, no point in arguing about something that was never meant to be insulting to anyone.
Well, I'll take the fact that you skipped the point of the conversation as an admission to your ignorance of the subject. Until a fighter who comes along and has it's base in anything other than BJJ, Muay Thai, Wrestling or Boxing, then you'll have something to base your point on. Until then all I hear from you is bla, bla.
any police station in the country. ill take the same reasons for your ignorance of traditional arts, because you obviously have no experience in anything other than mma. let me ask you this..if jujutsu, and kung fu are so ineffective...why are they still around? why are they still used by law enforcement agencies all over the world? and again...all that mma came from those arts. there is no denying it.
The only JJ in law enforcement Agencies in the US is BJJ or Gracie JJ. Also in the US Army and Navy. Tell me one law enforcement agency that teaches Kung Fu to its officers anywhere in the West today? MMA is, want it or not, the only way you can prove your technique is a good one when it comes to fighting. And the only place you'll find it is in MMA or Vale Tudo Promotions. No Kung Fu fighter ever succeded there and never will, un less they adapt to Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu. Period.
i suppose you've been to every agency huh? and i never said they taught them kung fu. most of them (that i've talked to)learn tactical combatives, not bjj. in a real fight rolling on the ground is pretty much the last thing you want to do. bjj should be a default. and i hate to tell you..but the octagon or ring is in no way a true test of anything but...one on one agreed fighting between two people in a sportive situation, and thats all it is.
Ok, so real fighting is no way to test one's fighting skills and technique? That is the same as saying winning the World Cup of Soccer is no way to prove you have the best team in the world. How unreasonable and nonsense is that? The last thing you want to do in a fight is go to the ground, and yet we live in the real world, where almost every real fight goes to the ground, and that is why BJJ is the most effective martial art there is.country.
And since BJJ was introduced to the FBI in 1996, it made it to the basic training of every law enforcement agency in the country, including Police Academies and the Army Rangers, Navy Seals and basic boot camp training. That because Rorion and Rickson introduced what their dad created. All of this is documented and there are videos everywhere you can research.
well police officers have personally told me otherwise. and again, helio didnt create anything. we'll have to agree that we disagree. i will not buy into the whole "if it aint what i do its no good" theory. or mma..or bjj or whatever. thats all i have to say.
not every fight is one on one..agreed to by both parties...and has rules. i already stated everyone should learn groundfighting, but that shouldt be pretty much your sole objective (to take it down) there are multiple attackers, knives, guns, broken glass and many other things to consider before going down to the ground. which mma does not address
i agree that bjj has become its own beast. the fact remains the skills taught are the same as in 2000 year old jujutsu or any other art. there is nothing new in bjj other than techniques. the concepts and principles are universal.
that is simply a change in focus. there are plenty of newaza in old school jujutsu. the difference is that a samurai for example doesnt necessarily want to go to the ground, and if he did, he doesnt want to stay there. especially if he is armed. no doubt such an intense focus on newaza makes bjj a partial art. specializing in a very small part of overall fighting.
my point exactly...they did train in both. the difference is one of focus. it may go to the ground, but im gonna do my best to get back up quickly, not purposely stay on the ground rolling around on gravel, glass, concrete or something else if i dont have to.
Its situational. Sometimes you may be able to get backup, other times you may be forced to stay on the ground, some you can end with a right straight.
Real fightings unpredictable and changes by the millisecond.
being 'forced' to stay on the ground is they key, but i dont know many average joe streetfighters who could keep even a novice martial artist on the ground.
i agree with unpredictable, i guess it can suffice to say i dont agree with bjj's emphasis on purposely taking someone to the ground and following him down there and rolling around with him. personally speaking now, i think its best to stay standing if possible...big if of course.
but i also (controversially) disagree that most real fights end up on the ground. ive seen lots, and been in a few myself, i can only think of two real street fights where both parties ended up wrestling. and even then its usually because neither of them know jack about fighting. of course its possible to trip.
even the base premise of bjj is very old..take the opponent down and finish it there. the biggest difference is that bjj wants to keep the fight there, in the meantime someone else is possibly attacking you, be it a samurai cutting you in half, or a drunken bafoon using a beer bottle as a club.
of course. but ask any police officer, or bouncer and they'll tell you the ground is the last place you want to be in a real street fight. everyone should do groundfighting, but should rely on just that.
you're not listening. they always have done both tachiwaza and newaza. of course they didnt focus simply on newaza like many bjj schools.
and geoff thompson if im not mistaken is primarily known as a knockout artist. even in the ufc, most of the fights are won via strikes these days. and thats much safer than a street fight because there are rules involved.
And by contrast people used to focus soely on standup.
Geoff Thompson: I have trained in a lot of systems, the hardest and most demanding have been western boxing, wrestling, judo and Thai, I class these as very real arts. If you put these all together then of course you get NHB, probably the most demanding fighting art in the world. If I were to choose the one (or two) of these that put me most under pressure I would have to say wrestling and judo.
who used to focus only on standup? surely noone involved in jujutsu of any kind, or any classical japanese art. japanese karate maybe, but thats another argument altogether.
hardest and most demanding doesnt mean more effective. ones that put you most under pressure doesnt mean more effective either. just means the training is more demanding.
i founnd that the key messages to his interview were nourishment, and conservation of energy. the guy has the science down to the detail... where he mentioned something about the chemical reactions in the digestive system. (i didnt even understand)
i got out of it is... no junk food! lots of fruits... be a good person... to live a peaceful good life.
if youve been training so long, how come you dont know anything about respect. youre a liar. i doubt youre disciplined at your training. if you were, youd respect bruce lee and know his importance to mma. in fact, it was bruce lee who said that a wrestler/boxer could beat a master at kungfu. your small mind has been corrupted by kungfu movies that you believe that the movies are the real bruce lee.
Wish I could have met this man. What a legend.
underboss87 1 month ago
A true gentleman Master Helio
fondeur 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
Helio was an incredible man, i'm proud he was in this life time. If only there were a way to preserve men of his calibur for all time.
jamesellis33 2 months ago
95 years of awesomeness
futebolarte3 4 months ago
not only a master this guy was genius!
Parkourgray 7 months ago
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95 years old!
pickdaio 8 months ago
God conserves your spirit forever in our hearts--Rest in peace Grandmaster
JJI6881 8 months ago
Thanks for sharing! Very inspirational
Abe9096 9 months ago
fuck bruce lee, helio gracie is the most important martial arts master of all time. so intelligent and humble, granted he did some foolish things in his younger years, you can't help but respect and admire him
neverscared92 10 months ago
The only 90 year old that could kick an average guys ass.
TopazSkillMauler 10 months ago
Quem ama o Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, não consegue conter a emoção quando assiste à um vídeo do Grande Mestre.
albertpatrick87 1 year ago
prof mestre.. doutor.. exemplo.. a paz...
birurafaaa 1 year ago
What a legend.
My jiu-jitsu class professor met him .. and was taught by royce
dirkbikeman1001 1 year ago
since being on this diet, (coming off a body builders diet of low fat, high protein) i have felt much better with myself.
his book is amazing and interesting to read as well :D
lambosnicko 1 year ago
What a WONDERFUL SINGING!!!! I'm in love!
scumimpaler 1 year ago
Thanks so much for the upload.
Helio Gracie was a great person, very bright for his age,
and a wonderful father and grand father that always keeped
his family united. God bless him. RIP
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Fagapperd14 1 year ago
ahh. what a lil sweetie, like my father use to say!
RIP Helio!
jhooks3000 2 years ago
helio gracie was so nice and old i wish i could have met him
zzppqqm 2 years ago 11
What a man, Master Helio Gracie, a real man, God Bless
nomisdaboss 2 years ago 9
Águas de Março, by Tom Jobim.. That´s a beautiful song.
mentedelua 3 years ago
really nice interview, real honest people those 2 gj!
SOyuncastor2 3 years ago
what song is that????
kadafi5 3 years ago
Great interview with the man himself. It's real amazing that Grand Maser Helio spent a portion of his childhood frail, and now he's near 100 years of age and is still teaching. I hope that if I maintain a disciplined diet and exercise like he has regardless of health condition, I can live as long as him and still be active in jiujitsu.
paraparajmo 4 years ago
exactly how old is he?
ihatedavidleo 4 years ago
94 years old!
homegrownhero 3 years ago
The unique success of BJJ is in their willingness to test everything in Combat, against all arts, all opponents of all shapes and sizes. Practise makes perfect. The techniques themselves are not original but has there ever been an unique technique in the last 200 years?
Pecherin72 4 years ago
Helio was actualy the one who incorporated leverage into Jiu Jitsu, He learned from Carlos. He was in bad health at the time and once was asked to help instruct. Through so much time watching is how he put the idea of using bigger parts of the body against smaller parts(joints) and there the story begins
bone732 4 years ago
Helio Made BJJ, where his brother studied Jiu Jitsu there is a difference.
FutbolPhenom120 4 years ago
I think he was taught by his brother Carlos, who he mentions. I might be wrong but Carlos was the only one taught by Mitsuyo Maeda, who called the art jujutsu.
magikboydino 4 years ago
Checkout Geoff Thompson again, he started out studying things like Shotokan, Kung Fu etc. but time on the door he realised he'd need. pragmatic full-contact martial arts and combat sports to serve his purpose.
From what i've seen of Ninjutsu and such the closest to ground fighting ive seen is armlocking, wristlocking etc. the opponent and taking them to the ground thought the persn applying it is still standing on knee riding their back.
Suboloc 4 years ago
And alot of MMA bouts end up submission, but also strikes, but also decision. Hmmmmmm
Suboloc 4 years ago
from the fights i've seen lately, 90% end from striking. everyones become such a good grappler it seem that noone can submit the other guy anymore. of course the rules effect this as well..ie..when they get stood up..bs i think they should let them fight nonstop til one of them wins like in the beginning.
kempobrad 4 years ago
No I was just pointing out your "geoff thompson if im not mistaken is primarily known as a knockout artist" quote.
And who focus' only standup? All the karateka's, kickboxers, hapikido, ninjutsu, boxers, jujutsu etc. and they all gor subbed by the Gracies, but because they lacked any sort of ground knowledge, whether it be fighting on the ground or a takedown defence.
Suboloc 4 years ago
And i've seen street fights end up rollong on the ground, as well as standing and clinching. It's all situational and depends on the enviroment.
Suboloc 4 years ago
as have i, but only two out of i dont know how many. just my opinion from my experience, that the statement "90% of fights end up on the ground" ...then again i could have a problem with the term FIGHT..that is something that is agreed to. self defense isn't.
kempobrad 4 years ago
i was speaking of the arts and or/roots related to bjj ie..judo/jujutsu.
boxing is hardly a martial art. it is a martial sport as is kickboxing. jujutsu, judo, ninjutsu, all have defenses from the ground, and always have. thats where bjj got the idea. helio just expanded on something that already existed.
kempobrad 4 years ago
I'd take boxing and muaythai over ninjutsu and jujutsu anyday.
From my experience too much of it is, one compliment puts his hand out and the other person does a wrist lock or armlock and submits them to the floor. Sure drillings great, but there never seems to be any pressure testing there.
Suboloc 4 years ago
And please show me all these ground defences ninjutsu and japanese jujutsu have. :)
Suboloc 4 years ago
where do you think the term newaza comes from? it was around long before helio gracie, or even jigoro kano. as i said, it is not like...ok we're both on the ground and we're gonna wrestle. it's more like, if i get taken down i have defenses from a standing opponent. if i take you down i have ways of finishing you there. not active sportive type grappling so much.
kempobrad 4 years ago
if you study bjj, then you already have seen them. why can't people just accept the fact that these kinds of techniques have been around a long time. with a different emphasis, in a different era, under different circumstances. they are more situational than bjj. helio did elevate the art of grappling, noone is saying he didnt. but its not like it was his creation.
kempobrad 4 years ago
He changed alot of it to suit himself. But your logic then Ueshiba didn't create anything, or Mas Oyama etc. But since Helio and Carlos it's eleveted alot by further by the next generation, eg: Gracies, Machado's etc.
Suboloc 4 years ago
correct. they just modified and personalized things that have been in practice for centuries.
helio himself said that gracie jujutsu hasnt changed, the basic idea is the same...thats the important thing, not the individual techniques but the principles that make them work, which he did not create. he used principles of older arts to suit his body type, strength etc
kempobrad 4 years ago
no pressure testing, i pretty much agree with that. the idea is to work with your partner, seeing as they arent your opponent persay. not saying its right or wrong, but its been around much longer than most, so there must be something useful about it.
kempobrad 4 years ago
but you also must remember, self defense isnt like, we face off, we know we're gonna fight, and we both agree to a test of skill. thats sport fighting.
self defense is when someone grabs you, throws a punch at you unexpectedly, in close quarters, not a ring. im not trying to badmouth any art, i respect them all. i've dabbled in thai and boxing myself as well. but they like most arts are only part fighting, and mostly sports with rules.
kempobrad 4 years ago
whats the name of this song?
BorjeEbbe 4 years ago
i never said bruce would win but maybe he would have but don't think it would be as easy as you might think
graice family as challege many great fighters in the history of combat sport joe lewis boxer karate champ joe lewis ali but never bruce ask yourself why they must have had some respect for his skill
phillyforever 4 years ago
any art by itself is = obsolete
phillyforever 4 years ago
I think the best match up would have been royler vs bruce, Bruce knew some grappling as he intergrated it into jeet kun do, if you read "the tao of jeet kun do" he has the armbar as a viable means of ending a fight, so he knew how to submit , i dnt know if he knew the intrecate techniques necessary for dominate positioning, and if he did know them i dought he knew enough to mess with any gracie, i guess that will remain a mystery.....
Tyberious369 4 years ago
good stuff in this one
GripEmpire 4 years ago
Te amamos HELIO !!!
aussiebnu 4 years ago
bruce would have done well in a fight with a graice he was a top student of gene lebell who trained karo plus the graices have to get close to sub you and we all know how fast lee was and how hard he hit read one of his books if you can or watch is doc's
phillyforever 4 years ago
Bruce Lee would be quickly submitted. If you really think otherwise, you're really ignorant about fighting.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
why do mma asses say dumb shit like that instead of thanking master lee they wanna shit on his memory like he could not fight for real he fought in street fights all the time cuz the other chinese didn't want him teaching whites and blacks there secrets he pissed off karate and tkd guys because he believe that no one art is good by itself and he was right he's the original mixed martial artist so show him some fucking respect
phillyforever 4 years ago
Kung Fu = obsolete
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
It´s true, but Helio invented BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU that everybody in mma world do. More respect with the old man!!!!
bandeiracom 4 years ago
father of BRAZILIAN jujutsu. no disrespect to helio, but jujutsu existed way before he did.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Jiu jitsu died out in Japan in favor of Judo shortly after the 1940's. And Jiu Jitsu as it was before Helio was about as effective as judo. Jiu Jitsu as you see today was developed by this man.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
how do you know, were you there? or did some bjj instructor tell you that? lol any art that can last 2000 years has to have some merit to it. remember your beloved bjj is based solely off of the japanese art.
kempobrad 4 years ago
No BJJ instructor told me that, the IJF (International Judo Federation) told me that, and as they are the governing body of everything Judo in the world, I'll take their word. Jiu Jitsu as it is today was developed by this man, and if we were practicing jiu jitsu as it was in Japan before, we would essentially be practicing Judo.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
of course they told you that, it helps promote their art. but many classical jujutsu systems still exist and are widely practiced. to hear you, you say that all jujutsu is bjj, and that is simply untrue...period.
kempobrad 4 years ago
So no one's word is good enough besides what you believe in? Come up with a list of relevant MMA fighters who practice any Jiu Jitsu other than BJJ that is longer than 0 Names and I'll award you $100.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
i dont really give a rats ass what sport fighters do or practice. the simple fact is helio gracie did NOT create jujutsu and thats a fact. BJJ is not all JJ, or if you like...not all JJ is brazilian...which is also a fact. im not denouncing any of them, its just not true that helio created anything he didnt learn and modify from someone else...ie..it already existed well before he did.
kempobrad 4 years ago
I never said he created it and neither did he. He developed Jiu Jitsu as it is known today, period. Jiu Jitsu from Japan was nothing but Judo. It was essentially a stand up fight with throws and some submissions. Jiu jitsu today is essentially submissions, and that was developed by this guy, and that is what everyone practices, and there's nothing that you can do about it.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
jujutsu from japan was not judo, that's just how most people teach it, and call it jujutsu. an effective method no doubt, but things are not done the same way in classical jujutsu. jj as it is known today has many varieties..not just brazilian, that's my point. bjj takes ppl down because they cant fight standing up, and their opponents couldnt fight on the ground. helio didnt create anything, he learned it from someone else...period.
kempobrad 4 years ago
But then again, as per your favorite videos I see that you are into Kung Fu and you probably also think it's effective too, thus dumping all the credit you could possibly have down the drain...
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
and who are you to judge me? i do not practice kung fu fyi (not that it matters or is any of your business) i find the art fascinating, as i find all arts fascinating. you limit yourself in my eyes. there are a great many things to learn from all styles, even rorion gracie will tell you that. hence the reason even bjj is not enough anymore.
kempobrad 4 years ago
If it fascinates you as an art purely ok, but if it fascinates you as an efficient and proven form of defense and fighting, you probably also believe the Pokemon are real and that Superheroes really do exist. No credit for you buddy. And BTW, Rorion's entire career was to disprove inefficient martial arts such as the ones you have favorited. That is why he started the UFC, to promote BJJ and the only other art I've seen him sincerely promote was Muay Thai, which I also very much respect.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
why it fascinates me is no concern of yours. i believe all arts are adaptable if practiced right. and i do believe everyone should train in groundfighting of some sort. but i also believe any fighting art thats been around for 2000 years has to have some merit to it. you dont feel the same, fine, you dont have to. all any art should do is teach you principles of combat, not just techniques, and they all can do that.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Ok Mr. Dragon of Fire... Resume watching your make believe Kung fu movies now.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
"what we do is like what the samurai's did"...helio gracie.
who are you to judge anyway..have you ever tried a traditional art? probably not. case closed. and if you think kung fu is like the movies, you really need to get out more.
kempobrad 4 years ago
DO you speak Portuguese at all? If you do, then you're a retard, because in this video he said exactly the opposite of what you just "quoted" him. I've practiced Jiu Jitsu since the age of 4 and Muay Thai for the past 8 years. I also have a degree in Mechanical Engineering and an MBA. I get out plenty and know more people you ever will, including Master many of Master Helio's sons and nephews.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
go talk to them then and stop badmouthing thing's you know nothing about. just because something isn't in the ufc everyone thinks it doesn't work. everything you can possibly learn in bjj or muay thai are present in any martial art. because most of what is taught, comes directly from those arts.
kempobrad 4 years ago
I don't think Kung Fu is like in the movies, because in the movies it actually works, unlike in real life. People like you watch those demos and movies and are "fascinated by it"
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
I'm sure there are plenty of police officers and military men in china who would strongly disagree with you. again, you probably have no first hand experience in kung fu, so what qualifies you to judge? i never intended to insult bjj in any way, just stating the fact that helio didnt create anything. think as you will, and ill do the same, no point in arguing about something that was never meant to be insulting to anyone.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Well, I'll take the fact that you skipped the point of the conversation as an admission to your ignorance of the subject. Until a fighter who comes along and has it's base in anything other than BJJ, Muay Thai, Wrestling or Boxing, then you'll have something to base your point on. Until then all I hear from you is bla, bla.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
any police station in the country. ill take the same reasons for your ignorance of traditional arts, because you obviously have no experience in anything other than mma. let me ask you this..if jujutsu, and kung fu are so ineffective...why are they still around? why are they still used by law enforcement agencies all over the world? and again...all that mma came from those arts. there is no denying it.
kempobrad 4 years ago
The only JJ in law enforcement Agencies in the US is BJJ or Gracie JJ. Also in the US Army and Navy. Tell me one law enforcement agency that teaches Kung Fu to its officers anywhere in the West today? MMA is, want it or not, the only way you can prove your technique is a good one when it comes to fighting. And the only place you'll find it is in MMA or Vale Tudo Promotions. No Kung Fu fighter ever succeded there and never will, un less they adapt to Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu. Period.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
i suppose you've been to every agency huh? and i never said they taught them kung fu. most of them (that i've talked to)learn tactical combatives, not bjj. in a real fight rolling on the ground is pretty much the last thing you want to do. bjj should be a default. and i hate to tell you..but the octagon or ring is in no way a true test of anything but...one on one agreed fighting between two people in a sportive situation, and thats all it is.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Ok, so real fighting is no way to test one's fighting skills and technique? That is the same as saying winning the World Cup of Soccer is no way to prove you have the best team in the world. How unreasonable and nonsense is that? The last thing you want to do in a fight is go to the ground, and yet we live in the real world, where almost every real fight goes to the ground, and that is why BJJ is the most effective martial art there is.country.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
And since BJJ was introduced to the FBI in 1996, it made it to the basic training of every law enforcement agency in the country, including Police Academies and the Army Rangers, Navy Seals and basic boot camp training. That because Rorion and Rickson introduced what their dad created. All of this is documented and there are videos everywhere you can research.
ricardomaduro18 4 years ago
well police officers have personally told me otherwise. and again, helio didnt create anything. we'll have to agree that we disagree. i will not buy into the whole "if it aint what i do its no good" theory. or mma..or bjj or whatever. thats all i have to say.
kempobrad 4 years ago
not every fight is one on one..agreed to by both parties...and has rules. i already stated everyone should learn groundfighting, but that shouldt be pretty much your sole objective (to take it down) there are multiple attackers, knives, guns, broken glass and many other things to consider before going down to the ground. which mma does not address
kempobrad 4 years ago
Just because it's 2000 years old doesnt mean it's relevent today, especially if it hasnt changed it's ways.
Of course BJJ has it roots in Kano JuJitsu, but over the years it's already evoled into its own beast.
Suboloc 4 years ago
i agree that bjj has become its own beast. the fact remains the skills taught are the same as in 2000 year old jujutsu or any other art. there is nothing new in bjj other than techniques. the concepts and principles are universal.
kempobrad 4 years ago
2000 years I doubt there was such an intense focus on newaza.
Suboloc 4 years ago
that is simply a change in focus. there are plenty of newaza in old school jujutsu. the difference is that a samurai for example doesnt necessarily want to go to the ground, and if he did, he doesnt want to stay there. especially if he is armed. no doubt such an intense focus on newaza makes bjj a partial art. specializing in a very small part of overall fighting.
kempobrad 4 years ago
And by comparison then stand up is also a small part of fighting. That's why you need a grounding in both.
Suboloc 4 years ago
my point exactly...they did train in both. the difference is one of focus. it may go to the ground, but im gonna do my best to get back up quickly, not purposely stay on the ground rolling around on gravel, glass, concrete or something else if i dont have to.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Its situational. Sometimes you may be able to get backup, other times you may be forced to stay on the ground, some you can end with a right straight.
Real fightings unpredictable and changes by the millisecond.
Suboloc 4 years ago
being 'forced' to stay on the ground is they key, but i dont know many average joe streetfighters who could keep even a novice martial artist on the ground.
i agree with unpredictable, i guess it can suffice to say i dont agree with bjj's emphasis on purposely taking someone to the ground and following him down there and rolling around with him. personally speaking now, i think its best to stay standing if possible...big if of course.
kempobrad 4 years ago
but i also (controversially) disagree that most real fights end up on the ground. ive seen lots, and been in a few myself, i can only think of two real street fights where both parties ended up wrestling. and even then its usually because neither of them know jack about fighting. of course its possible to trip.
kempobrad 4 years ago
even the base premise of bjj is very old..take the opponent down and finish it there. the biggest difference is that bjj wants to keep the fight there, in the meantime someone else is possibly attacking you, be it a samurai cutting you in half, or a drunken bafoon using a beer bottle as a club.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Well that all depends if it is a Multiple Opponents scenario or not.
Suboloc 4 years ago
of course. but ask any police officer, or bouncer and they'll tell you the ground is the last place you want to be in a real street fight. everyone should do groundfighting, but should rely on just that.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Yes but what do they when a fight goes to the ground?
Go look up Geoff Thompson, he has a strong background in Judo and Wrestling.
Suboloc 4 years ago
you're not listening. they always have done both tachiwaza and newaza. of course they didnt focus simply on newaza like many bjj schools.
and geoff thompson if im not mistaken is primarily known as a knockout artist. even in the ufc, most of the fights are won via strikes these days. and thats much safer than a street fight because there are rules involved.
kempobrad 4 years ago
Of course I'm listening.
And by contrast people used to focus soely on standup.
Geoff Thompson: I have trained in a lot of systems, the hardest and most demanding have been western boxing, wrestling, judo and Thai, I class these as very real arts. If you put these all together then of course you get NHB, probably the most demanding fighting art in the world. If I were to choose the one (or two) of these that put me most under pressure I would have to say wrestling and judo.
Suboloc 4 years ago
who used to focus only on standup? surely noone involved in jujutsu of any kind, or any classical japanese art. japanese karate maybe, but thats another argument altogether.
hardest and most demanding doesnt mean more effective. ones that put you most under pressure doesnt mean more effective either. just means the training is more demanding.
kempobrad 4 years ago
i founnd that the key messages to his interview were nourishment, and conservation of energy. the guy has the science down to the detail... where he mentioned something about the chemical reactions in the digestive system. (i didnt even understand)
i got out of it is... no junk food! lots of fruits... be a good person... to live a peaceful good life.
peace to all!
xalaros2727 4 years ago
Great interview with the founder of Jiu Jitsu: Helio gracie!
Marcoshary 4 years ago
You mean GRANDMASTER Helio Gracie...
spaceharrier 4 years ago
totalmente EMOCIONANTE!
faabiow 4 years ago
song -----> aguas de março (tom jobim e elis regina)
alessandrojj 4 years ago
boa entrevista
wkskaike 4 years ago
helio is a real legend imagine helio versus bruce the clown lee. helio will choke the shit out of bruce lee
obispo1 4 years ago
LOL that's the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
NeenjaVanish 4 years ago
Yeah, agreed.
That really was the most imbecile comment, Gracie choking Lee... What the hell was that?
Why don't go choke your chicken instead...
spaceharrier 4 years ago
yes what the other wto said. ur a complete idiot. u dont know shit about mma or fighting. go hang yourself. k thanks.
delshad 4 years ago
hahaha noob i dont kow shit about mma. i train bjj for 6 years and i box for 4 so you want to learn something kid let me know ill teach you noob
obispo1 4 years ago
if youve been training so long, how come you dont know anything about respect. youre a liar. i doubt youre disciplined at your training. if you were, youd respect bruce lee and know his importance to mma. in fact, it was bruce lee who said that a wrestler/boxer could beat a master at kungfu. your small mind has been corrupted by kungfu movies that you believe that the movies are the real bruce lee.
morelly 4 years ago
anyone know the artist of that song?
saltyshaw 4 years ago
Tom Jobim it calls Aguas de Marco.
lipeusny 4 years ago