Excellent. That same corporate attitude, so very much worse, outside America's borders, drives the mentality in the country and is the reason why America is not only broken down but broke and in debt as well. Apple workers in China, coal miners in Virginia; it's the same difference. It's why the poor need to stay united. There is always a worker or citizen being exploited or killed somewhere in the world and you need not look to foreigners for the culprit; they're in America living it up.
Willingness to put even a single person in danger for the sake of personal wealth and prestige is wholly evil. Trading humility for greed should be illegal. People who allow harm (when they have the power to prevent it) in order to further their own interests are without conscience, compassion, and humanity. Therefore, they are evil: at any level or theatre—from playgroud bully to pope—just plain fucking evil.
Elaine Chau - how do you sleep at night ? I await that day you pay for what you've done . And I just wish I could be there to see your ugly face when that day comes . Same goes for you , disgusting imp against all good and pure : Mitch Mconnell . One day You WILL get what you deserve . I just smile at the day your Karma comes back to devour you .
In Australia our mining industry is massive, including coal, it's our major export. But we hardly ever have accidents because we've got regulation. Our mining industry is world compedative, in fact the world leader and it's not slowed down even slightly by making sure everyone gets home alive.
I don't really blame people like Mitch McConnel, he's a psychopath. I blame the people who allow him to be in charge and support what he does. I blame workers who vote against their own interests.
However, America has about 300 million people, China has over a billion. Australia has about 20 million. So yes, per capita we produce a s**tload more than either of those countries and, more to the point, we manage to do it without sacrificing lives to do it.
@tangent272 You claimed Australia as the world leader, and that is a lie. That you have mines is not a big deal, there are mines all over the world. Go google mine deaths in Australia and claim there are no accidents. Its fine you like your country, but it is irrelevant as far as the world goes.
Sorry, that was arguably a mis-communication; I meant that we're the world leader in productivity (which we are). And I never said that we didn't have *any* mine deaths, it's a dangerous industry, people die sometimes. What I said - and I stand by it - is that mine deaths here are rare, especially compared to the number of people in the mines and the ammount we produce. And I'm not especially patriotic, I just like what works.
@tangent272 You sound like a politician, "mis- communication" about "productivity". I find many complaints in Australian press about mine safety there, and you are claiming that "we manage to do it without sacrificing lives". You actually DO sacrifice lives, everyone does. Now, if you could direct me to a list of nations, with Australian mine safety being at the top, ( every nation voluntarily kills miners), I would be interested.
Yes it is a dangerous industry and not all deaths are preventable but what is happening here isn't freak accidents it's people getting paid to turn a blind eye and let situations happen. These people are on the same level as dirty cops. They prevent regulation and safety to fill their pockets. As far as I'm concerned they are criminals and deserve all their property taken away and given to the families who lost loved ones.
The difference is that in Australia we don't have any "disposable people", our bosses can't just go down the labour exchange and hire another Mexican or peasant fresh in from he country (the disposable people in America and China, respectively) because the last one got squashed/burned/used up. Here everyone matters; our health and safety regulations are the envy of Europe (and we're still more productive)
Oh, and we get paid more too, six figures is standard in the mining industry; I've personally met a truck driver whose base salary was over $250,000 a year.
And our mining sector kicks ass economically, massive profits, so much so that the government is now talking about a "super profits tax".
Taking care of your people and paying them right *just makes sense*, everybody wins; the only reason to do it any other way is greed and evil.
That is EVIL! You know what evil is, we all can feel it inside of our souls. But you can turn the feeling off and run around this world crazy if you so choose. I rest assured that all this carelessness will be repaid.
Sweet! they made a profit? They should take the pensions of those dead miners and roll em back into the company. Maybe develope a better safety program so miners can stay in the mine even longer. MO MONEY, MO MONEY, MO MONEY! I do, however, feel bad for the miners families. But that's the risk you take being a coal miner. Police are killed every year, but you don't see them ramping up prison sentences for criminals do you? Oh well, shit happens.
@400lbGuerrilla By turning on your computer, to make a stupid statement, you wasted electricity, much of what is on the grid coming from coal, you sent a miner down a hole to die. Shoot yourself, save a miner.
@400lbGuerrilla Hateful? Re Read your own post. You hate any business, but forget that everything in your home came from a corp, including the shit you flush down the toilet. Burgers and fries from corp burger outlets. Hateful!
@luvcheney1 Dude, i reeled you in, hook, line, and sinker! My entire post was a joke! I was playing the "greedy capitalist" to get a rise out of the liberal pukes! I dont hate business! LOL! Maybe if you looked at channel you would know who your posting to. Guess my post backfired. Heh!
@luvcheney1 and i don't care if you drive your truck til the frame separates from the body cause there's a thing called emissions ALLREADY have you ever heard of it ?why don't you blow your noxious fumes right into the mouths of ashthmatics and tell them to just choke on it?
2 reasons.. I cant pull my 12,000 lb travel trailer with a Prius, and I have herniated discs and my truck is very comfy. Just choke on it. That was easy! Say, why dont you go bother Gore about his huge house and all the power it uses? His Flights everywhere. Why? Because he doesnt care either.
You see, what is really behind their demand for "free enterprise" is UNACCOUNTABILITY. Others are to be subject to their laws, BUT not them. Oh no! They have rights. Guess what? When you employ people and make profits off of them you need to be watched. Dicky, Georgie, etc. Pass laws against "terrorism" but contradict their concerns by allowing a worse financial exploitive terrorism within. They want to watch you, and listen to you, yet no one is to listen to them. Watch them. Why? Guilt.
@distressed7 If you doubt for a minute that private enterprise lawyers, and a civil court will not hold them accountable for huge costs, IF they are guilty, you are nuts. If there are criminal acts, a criminal court will prosecute. Fear of lawsuits for wrongful death is much more incentive that govt fines. Pass laws against expanding the money supply, low interest rates, encouraging reckless behavior by individuals and banks alike, if you want to avoid bubbles and bursting.
@luvcheney1 no one said stop mining, how about stop lying for safety violations, maybe a good class action wrongful death suit would help motivate them
@isawanangel2 no need to worry about plugging in all those electric cars if say 10k people go out and buy one when they get pissed if oil barrells go to say, 140? no matter if there's rolling blackouts cause gramas heart monitor is on solar backup, right? wake up, the energy crisis is real..they've been talking about it since the 70's for pete's sake
@isawanangel2 There is NO energy crisis! Why would you say such a silly thing? Please explain WHY you think we have a crisis. I use a considerable amount of gas, my Ford has 300HP. I need gas, I buy gas. No crisis. If I couldnt afford it, I`d buy a Yaris or something. Big Deal.
@luvcheney1 we need smartgrid sooner than later the rolling blackouts chart i have only goes back to 1984 or so but everyone has more crapola and dont worry no one is gonna flip a switch we cant get off fossil fuels that fast but they aren't renewable and the future population will need clean energy, even opec admitted oil was not sustainable like three months ago, see the purpa link on my channel, too, that's from 1976 so there's really nothing new it's embarassing really nothing has been done
Rolling blackouts, the grid, has nothing to do with an "energy crisis". Electricity is generated mostly by coal and natural gas, both of which are in the US in huge quantities. There is not enough generating equipment to make electricity. Why? Govt controls utility pricing, and the allowed levels of profit do not allow more generating capacity. Electric utilities beg us not to use their product! Doesnt that ring a bell? Jeez..............
@luvcheney1 tell DOE they're wasting their time and i doubt the smartgrid stakeholder roundtable is going away anytime soon, it's called demand and response & the energy policy act of 2005, and cyberwar, terrorism & critical infastructure...go tell the gov that's not important, LOL
There is more oil in the US in the form of "oil shale" than the middle east. Look it up. Of course, it costs more than oil is today. But oil will rise in price, consumers will want smaller cars, and the now economically unprofitable energy sources will eventually makes sense, at higher prices. It is stupid to make oil out of corn, for example, when that costs more than petroleum. Solar is also more expensive than the alternatives. Free markets will bring on new sources WHEN it is cheaper.
@luvcheney1 no, there's price controls, i'll send you the link, and yes, the population has gone up, and that's gonna continue too, god willing also the tiny issue of progress /watch?v=rzFbWGQLZiY and it fluxuates with inflation actually and of course the carter doctrine that's exasperating
Price controls on what? Carter had price control limits on oil, and what it did was keep oil in the ground in the US. Reagan removed the controls, and the price declined to about $10 over the next 18-20 years( from 50). Price controls on electricity keep new generators from being used. But, that causes a "crisis", when Its 110 outside, and we get a blackout.
Cenk this IS Capitalism at it's finest. Socialism is all about a regulated / mixed market. Capitalism is a FREE MARKET. What don't you understand about that? A free market means there is no government intervention. Capitalism isn't supposed to cater to the middle/ working/ lower class but the rich.
@SupremePenguinTone Thats why the Siviets were Rich? How come the commie Chinese are abandoning central planning? The US govt already regulates mining, gives citations, what are you talking about?
@luvcheney1 cenk is a little off on his capitalist argument, let's get off that and refocus on the bribes, front groups, the fact that even obama is lying because there is no clean coal..just like permafrost, they're oxymorons
@SupremePenguinTone The comment about Soviets (central planners) being rich was sarcastic. China is becoming richer as they free economic activity. They dont centrally plan to the same degree as before, and they are growing in standard of living. I didnt mention China and Russia in the same sentence, there was a period, meaning 2 sentences. However, both those countries were centrally planned economies to a much greater degree than the US, and suffered a lower standard of living as a result.
@luvcheney1 Well I never said Communists are rich so your attempt at being witty failed. By the way sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
As for China nothing you said has anything to do with Capitalism or Communism. Your government has no effect on the wealth of the country. If the money is there it will be made, it's just how you use it. If China was a true Socialist state now there wouldn't be slave labor. Neither China or Russia practiced true Marxist-Leninism though.
@SupremePenguinTone Soviets were comminist, we are capitalist (each to a degree, not perfection) , and our system gave better standards of living. IF you want better lives for the people, support the system that delivers it.
@luvcheney1 Communist by name but that doesn't mean they were following the teachings of Marx, which you wouldn't know as you've never read the Communist manifesto.
Secondly who has a better standard of living? The dead coal miners? The people denied healthcare? People forced to work three jobs? People thrown out of work when their company wants a profit?
Well India is Capitalist, so why is the deliverance of this great system? And Africa? And Latin America? Where? Show me this awesome system?
@SupremePenguinTone The US has a better standard of living than Russia, China, and India. Western Europe has a better standard than Eastern Europe. Western Europe, and the US have better standards of living than most of the world, and they are "mixed" economies, certainly not Capitalist examples in a pure form, anymore than the Soviets were Communist. India, China, are raising standards of living, and are decentralizing economic control.
@luvcheney1 First off who in the US are you talking about? Because MANYYY people live in severe poverty. If you're talking about hollywood then yes you're correct. Secondly Russia isn't Communist, and they hadn't practiced it since Lenin died, China flushed Communism down the toilet when they allowed themselves to become the world's biggest sweat shop, and India? Huh? Where did India come from? No they don't have a good standard of living because they don't give a fuck about their people.
Being exploited is the best thing that can happen to anyone. If workers didnt want to be exploited, they would stay home. What would a 3rd world nation DO with iron, for example. Make steel out of it in a non existent refinery? Make cars out of it in non existent factories? And, if they could, who has the money to buy them? You couldnty allow a western nation to "exploit" them by purchasing a product? Millions of Americans are just hoping to get exploited at a JOB.
@luvcheney1 This is the true voice of the right wing. Out of touch, ignorant, racist fools who don't know anything and so talk out of their ass. So everybody who works doesn't work because they enjoy their job but because they want to be exploited? Huh? You have no idea about economics, business or politics. I'm sure Faux News would LOVE to offer you a slot on their channel.
Every place I ever worked at had a door. I voluntarily went in, because it was my BEST OPTION at the time. Tell me, do you work in the WORST job you are able to get, or the BEST job you can get? Pretty stupid to complain about exploitation when where you work is your BEST option. I never had anybody hold a gun to my head, and force me to work. I saved my money, watch the markets and stay home. I dont like working, can get by on little, and made 75% in 2009, and nobody makes me work.
@luvcheney1 Western Europe has the best standard of living because they continue to exploit and rob nations of their resources. Without the third world the first world would collapse.
Slave labor? Chinese are moving from the countryside VOLUNTARILY, eager to be "exploited" in factories, just as Americans did the same as OUR country moved from Agrarian to industrial. For thousands of years, agrarian society was brutally difficult, and the industrial age of exploiting children, long hours, dismal conditions drew the farmers into factories willingly. Children worked all day on the farms anyway, and everyone in the family was sunup to sundown, to barely stay alive.
I work quality assurance now at a "call center". i.e The new American factory. The attorneys who run this " wanton financial service", hired a German dude who ran a call center in Panama. We were prospering at the time. They wanted what? More understanding of the worker? No way. They wanted to tighten the reins and get more blood out of a stone. This guy upped the call/rest time ratio for more calls.He made the reps sign in and out going to the shithouse. This is the addiction of greed. Regulate
@distressed7 Gee, I would have thought all call centers were in India where the employees dont hate their jobs, boss, and companies. Most likely, they dont waste time in the bathrooms, necessitating a log either. I hired workers for 28 years, and anytime I could hire someone who didnt speak English and was from somewhere out of the US, it was a blessing to have a happy employee, not a disgruntled, ungrateful guy like you.
MSHA is the equivelent to OSHA in the regular work force.
A violation could be as small as a cracked windshield on a drill, busted light, a drill log not complete, but the fact is I work outside in non-bituminous aggregate now and I have blue sky over my head instead of a mountain.
The ventilation problems in underground mining are inexcuseable. thats a big reason i left them. After Sago I was done going underground.
We have less regulations on dangerous industry since the Reagan years. ex. I worked for the US Treasury and I remember a Dept. of Agriculture worker talking about less AG inspectors and companies getting away with more and more. Later, after going to Europe I returned to the states. I worked daily labor for a Chgo. Food processor. Sure enough.There was only one inspector. Line people would drop chickens on a filthy floor and put them back. Workers there told me of a time when they'd be caught.
@distressed7 The point is that those workers were not to be trusted, should have been fired. You think that a govt employee needs to be watching every move made, coast to coast? How about a burger at McDonalds falling on the floor? They are open about 16 hrs a day, that would take 3, full time govt "watchers" per store. But, who would watch when the govt workers took a shit, ate? Do you think 1 govt employee could see every move in a business all the time? Nobody eats raw chicken anyway.
Let's start with Bank of Amerika. AIG. Goldman-Sachs. The stimulus money is the tip of the iceberg. I really do not hear of any hands on experience in heavy industry where without unions the basics of human decency would be lacking. I have heard nothing from you except a dodge. What kind of work have you done in your life in the areas of abusive employment? Answer the question. There is nothing vague here. The vid names a lot of names. How do you refute this? By making great generalizations.
@distressed7 Conditions in industry improved because productivity increased from an agricultural economy to and through the industrial revolution. Higher productivity allows better wages and conditions. IF unions could actually increase the total standard of living in a nation, they would prosper. Only govt unions prosper, and now, all levels of govt are going bankrupt.
@luvcheney1 Oh bullshit. Conditions improved because of strikes, confrontations and men and women united as a voting front and combined labor fronts confronting the owners, investors and politicians with possible ruin. Even now in f slave like "most favored trading nation" China. Beloved Microsoft's container laborers live in squalor, working from 8 AM to 10:45 PM.&that for starters. Microsoft's prospering. So are a load of other slave labor operations. another ex. NIKE. They are prospering.:)
@distressed7 Working in squalor for Microsoft is way better than any other option they have, OR, they wouldnt show up. If Microsoft HAD to pay more, they would go somewhere else. 20 or 30, years from now, China will be mainstream, and the evil capitalists will be in Africa, "exploiting" them out of starvation. Its about time, dont you think? Or, let them starve as always? No Exploit them!
Excellent bottom line reasoning. Capitalism in a real market will not tolerate the collusion between government and special interests. It is getting close to revolution here now. I really want to ask the people of Appalachia. You're bad? You're tough? Really? Are you going to straddle the fence again? Is a mining job that important to you? You know the only reason why so many of you are so loyal to your jobs is simply because there's no one else there. No companies. No alternative employers.
@distressed7 Thats just the reason we need to be sure we dont destroy the industries that employ them. Those industries still alive, are the ones generating taxes for Obama to pay interest on our debts, and spend on ObamaCare.
Workers in Europe, China or the US are not enemies. We have the same interests and have to fight together for labour rights, minimum wages, a strong wellfare state and so on. World has gone crazy and I am afraid, that nationalism and stupidity is even getting stronger.
Society decides what fair wages are and it is not that hard to define unfair wages. World has gone crazy, we would need a global strike for one week to remember the world who has the real power. Not some capitalists telling us that they would go to an other country. (They always tell us, that they have to go to the US,then there they tell them that China is cheaper...Today, governments are such pussys)
Societies obviously do NOT decide. The market decides. The balance between business, and workers availability decides. If in the US, the UAW decides a wage and benefit package that is uncompetitive to US manufacturers, the US public will choose cars built without UAW labor. The "mix" of cars I saw in the 1960`s is very different than today, in part, thanks to the UAW. Businesses go overseas, because consumers choose products made overseas. Consumers reject products made at wages society chooses
Maximum working hours, minimum wages, social standards were the result of social struggles not the brutal anarchy of your market friend. You are promoting a race to the bottom (that cannot be won by the US), are a classical free market extremist. Overseas -> international soldiarity. In fact, in East Europe, Asia labour unions are getting stronger...
@nonameposter When I was young, there were no OT laws for restaurant work, and I was a fry cook. We worked usually 50- 55 hrs, and were grateful, because it isnt high pay work. The govt incrementally lowered the law over years to be over 40 hrs is OT. What happened is workers needing 50 hrs of income could no longer work over 40. Minimum wage laws state " any job not producing a profit for a business at the minimum wage can NOT exist. Low wage jobs are illegal. You fuck the poor.
No, you are repeating economic lies that were invented to serve the interests of the capital. Countries with high minimum wages do not have a higher unemployment rate. Labour markets do not work that way in practice. Exactly the contrary is true. Reducing maximum working hours btw. also reduces unemployment and improves life quality of a society. In France, teachers only have to work for 12 hours...We have to demand higher wages not more working hours(my grandparents worked up to 17h/ day)
@nonameposter Minimum wage just makes it impossible for businesses who cant profit at that minimum to exist. So, poor people ( especially the young, inexperienced, or older not as strong workers) are prohibited from working. If a young inexperienced, or old person needing a few bucks wants to work, why deny him? If the shirt cant be made profitably at minimum wage here, it will be made somewhere else.
Lol, please stop repeating stupid slogans from 1900 and start looking at labour markets, statistics. There is simply no positive relation between unemployment rates and minimum wage. Have you forgottn the times, where companies earned billions, but the workers did not get a fair share? This is the result, when you "let the market decide" Do you also support child labour? Why deny when they want to work?
You don't even realise, what an extremist you are.
@nonameposter In Mao`s time, unions had little power in China, because economic conditions were poor, and nothing could be done for the workers, there was no cash to help. Today, the unions are gaining better conditions, because reduction in central planning is causing growth, and that growth can improve conditions. Growth, profit, then better conditions. Otherwise, every country can just legislate wealth. Business has to be good, before wages can be.
WTF? We were not talking about Mao/nationalized economy, but minimum wages. Why do so many Americans mix up a "social capitalism" with some kind of pseudocommunist dictatorship? This is pure populism, not a serious debate. What about 110 Million day laborers in China and a decreasing wage share. Good thing?
If you look up the economic wonder and Austria, you will find out, that an economy grows faster/constant with growing wages.
@nonameposter YOU are the one who mentioned that eastern Europe, and Asia, have growing unions (true) and also have improving working conditions (also true). You think that unions cause better working conditions, wages? How can that possibly be true UNLESS the economy is growing, allowing a rising standard of living. You are saying in effect, that just making a law to raise wages, or cut hours creates wealth. Raising wages by coercion only TRANSFERS wealth, doesnt create it.
@luvcheney1 Why would working together wreck the whole world economy? You make a generalized postulation that has no valid proof or even a workable concept to support it. So, let's get this straight. If we work together we'll wreck the whole world economy? I'd really like to hear the intergalactic methodology behind this piece of brilliance.
@distressed7 Labor unions, minimum wages, those are both forces that lower overall standards of living. They lower standards for those "not in the club", poor, unemployed folks whose job cannot exist at minimum wage rates. Libs think if a business cant pay minimum wage, it should go overseas, same issue with union wages. If a plant cant pay union wage, leave the US. That is bad, not good.
@luvcheney1 Dude. I worked more factories, construction, aside from serving in the Marine Corps. active during the Viet War. For starters, I am not among the likes of your lover. Union logic like yours is just as putridly narrow as the stone leftists who think the proletariat is pristine and faultless. History is proof that industry's leaders are not largely leaders at all. I worked in sweatshops on the SW Side of Chicago. Without unions:Taking a shit would've taken an act of congress.
@distressed7 I`ve never been in a union. But, you and I are both being taxed, and going into heavy debt on a state and federal level to pay for unions. BTW, all the heavily unionized industries are now gone. Mostly the govt employees on al levels exist, being supported by the rest of us. Good thing govt at all levels near bankruptcy, so they can be cut loose too.
@luvcheney1 I am being taxed because of cowards like the piece of work you luv so much. GW and Cheney "I had other priorities" during Nam, and a host of other worthless leadership from that world. The NeoCon gang that seized the 911 time and got us into worthless wars that cost billions a day to keep going, not to mention human lives. Lots of special interest there. Gen/Pres.Elect Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us of the greed of the unwarranted influence of the Military Industrial Complex. TAXR'US
@distressed7 Obama is in power, he can allow the terrorists a victory if he wants, cant he? An accomplished CEO, member of various admins like Cheney, has no business being cannon fodder. GW was a fighter pilot in the National Guard, not a disgrace at all, unless you wish to disgrace the National Guard. John Kerry had 4 deferments, he never wanted to go either.
@luvcheney1 Joining the guard during the Nam Era was a sure bet to get out of Nam. That was the hustle everybody talked of. He was fucking drunk half his time in there and missed flight assignments. His father's connections doctored him out and doctored his records. If anyone's an insult to the others who went active AF it's Bush. An accomplished CEO? Cheney? That's nothing to brag about since he was feathering his nest during Nam. Yeh, he had other priorities alright. They send others to die.
@distressed7 23,000 National Guardsmen served in Viet Nam. National Guard pilots as well. As for drinking and having a good time, Bush is the same as most of us. The records doctoring was exposed as falsification, you forgot that was exposed?? "Feathering his nest', thats a synonym for "work"? The govt hired Halliburton because it needed the services. It assisted the govt. Perhaps you approve of drafting the necessary labor to do these jobs? But, where does the expertise come from?
@luvcheney1 Oh this is rich! This is classist bullshit at its best. So you admit that we who served active are canon fodder? Yes. You do. An accomplished CEO? He, above all should be accountable in his youth to backup his allegations of patriotism. It is deeds not words that accurately pinpoint a person's makeup. When you demand of one to risk his life you provide an example and not subterfuge. This 23K amount of men who served in Viet Nam is so minute as to the million plus active. Spare me.:)
@distressed7 No one has a problem with people who serve. If you wish to make it a requirement to be President, or Vice- President that you had to be in the military, perhaps that is a good idea. But, do you have to be a grunt in a trench getting shot at, or could you be stationed in Germany, or the US, where you dont get shot at? Or, have a job in the military that doesnt get you shot at? Obama never got shot at either, and he sent more troops to Afghanistan, yet your comments dont include him
i hate this story i am sick after hearing the details and back history it seems as always what pushed me to vomit in the trash can i keep handy while watching currrrrrrrrrent goings on in the world of politics in the country i call home here on TYT is the holy than thou tone is cenks(demarcates) voice as he gives the guilty (republicans) the lashing they deserve while informig us of the details of the horrible occurrences that happened in this whole mitch mcconell cole mine situation
Trust me, They play the game, But they don't care about American's, To them, We are just there workhorse. This indecent just deepen's the confirmation.
That was the most informative commentary,That I have seen on this. Thank's Cenk. Hope I got your name right. When you ask these people, They will say that they are blessed with riches, As though from God. When in reality it is from the blood of hard working Americans. They could be building wind turbine's, But it would slow there money machine down to much. I have worked for oil companies and intimidation is there first name. Modern day Pinkerton's. Flat out evil bullies.
I heard about how bad the company was years ago on Ring of Fire radio program. Don Ferguson is a big right wing republican, member of US Chamber of Commerce, climate change opponent. And I beleive they said he had a Darwin mentality like the Enron guy Jeff something.
70% of electricity comes from coal. Just raise the price of electricity for all Americans and use the proceeds for coal mine safety. But gee, I bet none of the people leaving comments here are willing to do that. When it comes from their own pockets, mine safety is no longer such a high priority.
@tthemessenger I would have agreed to pay more to have prevented this. At least, I'd like to think I would. However, we could be saved all sorts of money if we just abandoned regard for the safety of workers. While no one wants the government controlling their lives, there needs to be at least some sort or regulations. The government is there to protect us not just from enemy attackers but also collapsing mine shafts. It is safe to say they did not do that here.
Companies are not in the business of protecting people or the environment. They are in business to make money. What is so hard to understand about that. Are people so stupid that they do not know this. COMPANIES ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY! Nothing else.
Everyone knows corporations are there to make money. Cenk mentions it all the time; he says "corporations are not immoral but they are amoral." Because their purpose is simply to make money, something must be done so people don't end up dying. It is all about balance; all government= USSR, no government=Somalia. You've probably read The Jungle, right? There needs to be at least some regulations to prevent such conditions.
We're silly to think that slurry dump wasn't planned. He had to get rid of it and knew the pond wouldn't hold much longer. Just play it off like an 'accident' and walk away guilt free. These bastardos don't care about anything but their almighty dollar. 3,000 safety violations and people are happy to applaud their owner. We are brainwashed.
@ho2cultcha I think Mitch McConnell already looks like the Balok "puppet" from the Star Trek episode "The Corbomite Maneuver." Just shine some green and red lights on McConnell's face and add some psychedelic filtered lens. No need for Clint Howard or numerous shots of tranya to complete the effect.
It is just amazing how these interesting individuals get elected and have no intention of ever looking after their constituents. They only become part of the next get rich scheme, if the govenment doesn't hit this guy between the eyes after these horrible crimes by this evil little man how can people ever respect this Democracy of the people for the people.
@gyice what democracy? It's an open market, your 'elected' are just corporate bitches. With Obama changing the law so there's no limit for campaign contributions your failing democracy got flushed down the toilet.
In my mind Greed is not a terrible thing, it is a dumb thing. Greed means never being satisfied with now, or what you have. Greed just believes that more is best. When we chase a fantasy that is money, or staus, we eventually are left without what is essential.
A sincere handshake, smile or hug is worth more to the dying man than the deluded one who values paper with ink on it.
Tell that to the unions who have driven most manufacturing out of the US, and are bankrupting States and municipalities all over the country. NJ state employee retiring after working 25- 50 yrs old gets $4 million in retirement benefits while workers all over the country try to live on 400 a week unemployment. Meanwhile, their states put higher auto fees, sales taxes, trash fees, water fees, electric fees, to pay the 4 million to a non working guy 50 years old. And you say corps are greedy?
This is depressing, and just sickening. Over 3,000 safety violations and this bastard spend a million dollars for a campaign??? Not only that, all the money to his personal expense...yet not a dime to make sure the mines were safe? And look....29 people lost their lives in that mine due to this idiots ignorance in ignoring the violations. Why isn't he, McConnell, and that bitch of a wife of his aren't arrested? $5,000 for a fine over a spill?? You Crazy Mother F**ker!
@Mika20 Another Corporate Hitler getting away with Fraud, wrongful death. The families cannot sue the mine because it falls under workers compensation laws, which block one from suing their employer. The only cause of action they could have wrong on was a whistle blower law, where they sent a certify letter to the owner of the mine and then within 30 days they had to file a law suit in state court, but most lawyers don't know the whisle blower laws.
@Mika20 They do not get arrested because this nation is wrought in evil. I hate to rain on anyone's patriotic parade, but the whole country is founded on the holocausts and slaveries of other people. KY is called the "dark and bloody ground." It has to do with the brutal wars against native peoples.
@distressed7 You brought up war against "native peoples". That was just a natural, inevitable change. The Stone Age was over, "native peoples" just didnt know.
@luvcheney1 I am still trying to find out where native peoples comes into play after a certain point? And again. You are like a lot punks who will tell combat vets about the war in Viet-Nam, or comment on combat conditions based on books. There is no real experience here. None. Just high rightist rhetoric. Again. What factories have you worked in? What docks did you sling loads in? Have you ever worked in a place that forbids toilet use except for permissions granted? This'll be rich.
YOU mentioned "native people". I drove tractor trailer for R.E.A. express co, and their Los Angeles distribution center was behind Union Station in downtown L.A. I worked as a fry cook, alongside illegal aliens too, for years. But, I certainly do NOT believe dumb ass laborers are qualified to opine on corporate activity, nor management practices. Some grunt in VietNam is to be respected, but his opinion on strategy, politics, the big picture is no more valid than that of a Starbucks employee.
@jimbrown257 Is it "funny" that human beings own corporations? Do human beings in the US have rights to choose how they utilize their own property in a legal way?
"Do human beings in the US have rights to choose how they utilize their own property in a legal way?"
...Of course. However, if I have a guy over to fix the air ducts in my attic and he dies when the attic collapses because I have ignored what the safety inspector told me I have to do, I can go to prison for neglagent homocide. If a dozen miners die for the same reason, the corporation/humans who own it might get a fine.
@Mika20 The slurry spill environmental disaster is estimated to have inflicted approximately $28 billion in damage, and Massey Energy was eventually fined $5600.
people are dying and corporations like this are costing tax payers money. idk when this country is goin to lighten up to the corruption in washington and get sick of it. we need to take the money out of politics, thats the only way shit like this wont happen.
This is unbelievably infuriating. Makes me literally sick to my stomach. The worst was hearing the sheep in the background of that vile 'man's' speech... "Yea!".. "Woohoo!". Where do these ignoramuses spawn from? America, literally the only western country where you are guaranteed to find people willfully fighting against their own benefit and proudly showcasing their ignorance as if it were a virtue.
She is not a mail order bride (racist), and there is no hell (delusionalist).
That being said Mitch is a part of the machinery that is politics and Americans let it happen.
TYT challenges and questions the status quo, because if you don't ask/demand for your rights to be respected then you don't have any. People will walk over your rights if you let them... thats why there is a constitution.
@unincorporated1 I'm totally with you on McConnell and his wife burning in hell, but when you call her a "mail order bride," it doesn't reflect well on you or on our side in general, because it comes off as racist. I'm sure you can do better...let's leave the racism to the teabaggers.
Who is this Elaine Chow? Must be some political WHORE.
billwho62 2 months ago
Elaine Kabookei chow?
billwho62 2 months ago
No one says it better than Cenk.
edanxkr 3 months ago
Excellent. That same corporate attitude, so very much worse, outside America's borders, drives the mentality in the country and is the reason why America is not only broken down but broke and in debt as well. Apple workers in China, coal miners in Virginia; it's the same difference. It's why the poor need to stay united. There is always a worker or citizen being exploited or killed somewhere in the world and you need not look to foreigners for the culprit; they're in America living it up.
PawnBACM 1 year ago
VERY WELL DONE, GOOD RESEARCH HAS ANYBODY DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT ? THE GODS TAKE THE MONEY AND WE DIE.
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hemikalalanika 1 year ago
Willingness to put even a single person in danger for the sake of personal wealth and prestige is wholly evil. Trading humility for greed should be illegal. People who allow harm (when they have the power to prevent it) in order to further their own interests are without conscience, compassion, and humanity. Therefore, they are evil: at any level or theatre—from playgroud bully to pope—just plain fucking evil.
svirfneblina 1 year ago
“When fascism comes to America,
it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.”
Sinclair Lewis - 1935
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Xigano1 1 year ago 5
@Xigano1 OLD BOY MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND, TELL ME A EASY WY TO MAKE IT ?
michaelwright999 11 months ago
Elaine Chau - how do you sleep at night ? I await that day you pay for what you've done . And I just wish I could be there to see your ugly face when that day comes . Same goes for you , disgusting imp against all good and pure : Mitch Mconnell . One day You WILL get what you deserve . I just smile at the day your Karma comes back to devour you .
JahSpect 1 year ago 8
Chow? Conservatives like japs?! How dare they betray their inbred supporters!
Jussimania 1 year ago
I think you need a revolution over there
randomwire 1 year ago
In Australia our mining industry is massive, including coal, it's our major export. But we hardly ever have accidents because we've got regulation. Our mining industry is world compedative, in fact the world leader and it's not slowed down even slightly by making sure everyone gets home alive.
I don't really blame people like Mitch McConnel, he's a psychopath. I blame the people who allow him to be in charge and support what he does. I blame workers who vote against their own interests.
tangent272 1 year ago
@tangent272 China produces 2.4 billion tons, the US 1 billion tons. Australia only 420 million tons. You are full of it.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
However, America has about 300 million people, China has over a billion. Australia has about 20 million. So yes, per capita we produce a s**tload more than either of those countries and, more to the point, we manage to do it without sacrificing lives to do it.
tangent272 1 year ago
@tangent272 You claimed Australia as the world leader, and that is a lie. That you have mines is not a big deal, there are mines all over the world. Go google mine deaths in Australia and claim there are no accidents. Its fine you like your country, but it is irrelevant as far as the world goes.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Sorry, that was arguably a mis-communication; I meant that we're the world leader in productivity (which we are). And I never said that we didn't have *any* mine deaths, it's a dangerous industry, people die sometimes. What I said - and I stand by it - is that mine deaths here are rare, especially compared to the number of people in the mines and the ammount we produce. And I'm not especially patriotic, I just like what works.
tangent272 1 year ago
@tangent272 You sound like a politician, "mis- communication" about "productivity". I find many complaints in Australian press about mine safety there, and you are claiming that "we manage to do it without sacrificing lives". You actually DO sacrifice lives, everyone does. Now, if you could direct me to a list of nations, with Australian mine safety being at the top, ( every nation voluntarily kills miners), I would be interested.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@tangent272
Yes it is a dangerous industry and not all deaths are preventable but what is happening here isn't freak accidents it's people getting paid to turn a blind eye and let situations happen. These people are on the same level as dirty cops. They prevent regulation and safety to fill their pockets. As far as I'm concerned they are criminals and deserve all their property taken away and given to the families who lost loved ones.
Greginda11 1 year ago 13
@luvcheney1
The difference is that in Australia we don't have any "disposable people", our bosses can't just go down the labour exchange and hire another Mexican or peasant fresh in from he country (the disposable people in America and China, respectively) because the last one got squashed/burned/used up. Here everyone matters; our health and safety regulations are the envy of Europe (and we're still more productive)
tangent272 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Oh, and we get paid more too, six figures is standard in the mining industry; I've personally met a truck driver whose base salary was over $250,000 a year.
And our mining sector kicks ass economically, massive profits, so much so that the government is now talking about a "super profits tax".
Taking care of your people and paying them right *just makes sense*, everybody wins; the only reason to do it any other way is greed and evil.
tangent272 1 year ago
That is EVIL! You know what evil is, we all can feel it inside of our souls. But you can turn the feeling off and run around this world crazy if you so choose. I rest assured that all this carelessness will be repaid.
kimmy1938 1 year ago
Sweet! they made a profit? They should take the pensions of those dead miners and roll em back into the company. Maybe develope a better safety program so miners can stay in the mine even longer. MO MONEY, MO MONEY, MO MONEY! I do, however, feel bad for the miners families. But that's the risk you take being a coal miner. Police are killed every year, but you don't see them ramping up prison sentences for criminals do you? Oh well, shit happens.
400lbGuerrilla 1 year ago
@400lbGuerrilla By turning on your computer, to make a stupid statement, you wasted electricity, much of what is on the grid coming from coal, you sent a miner down a hole to die. Shoot yourself, save a miner.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Geez, that was just hateful!
400lbGuerrilla 1 year ago
@400lbGuerrilla Hateful? Re Read your own post. You hate any business, but forget that everything in your home came from a corp, including the shit you flush down the toilet. Burgers and fries from corp burger outlets. Hateful!
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Dude, i reeled you in, hook, line, and sinker! My entire post was a joke! I was playing the "greedy capitalist" to get a rise out of the liberal pukes! I dont hate business! LOL! Maybe if you looked at channel you would know who your posting to. Guess my post backfired. Heh!
400lbGuerrilla 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 sorry you're so out of touch to reality i'm not even going to bother conversing with you
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 and i don't care if you drive your truck til the frame separates from the body cause there's a thing called emissions ALLREADY have you ever heard of it ?why don't you blow your noxious fumes right into the mouths of ashthmatics and tell them to just choke on it?
isawanangel2 1 year ago
2 reasons.. I cant pull my 12,000 lb travel trailer with a Prius, and I have herniated discs and my truck is very comfy. Just choke on it. That was easy! Say, why dont you go bother Gore about his huge house and all the power it uses? His Flights everywhere. Why? Because he doesnt care either.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 gore is a hypocrit, watch my lucas playlist please
isawanangel2 1 year ago
You see, what is really behind their demand for "free enterprise" is UNACCOUNTABILITY. Others are to be subject to their laws, BUT not them. Oh no! They have rights. Guess what? When you employ people and make profits off of them you need to be watched. Dicky, Georgie, etc. Pass laws against "terrorism" but contradict their concerns by allowing a worse financial exploitive terrorism within. They want to watch you, and listen to you, yet no one is to listen to them. Watch them. Why? Guilt.
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 If you doubt for a minute that private enterprise lawyers, and a civil court will not hold them accountable for huge costs, IF they are guilty, you are nuts. If there are criminal acts, a criminal court will prosecute. Fear of lawsuits for wrongful death is much more incentive that govt fines. Pass laws against expanding the money supply, low interest rates, encouraging reckless behavior by individuals and banks alike, if you want to avoid bubbles and bursting.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
I'd love to see George Bush and Dick Cheney going down a coal chute everyday of their lives for the rest of their lives.
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 Why doant you want to see Obama?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
people guess how much it costs to clean this shit up when it spills into rivers? guess who pays for it?
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@isawanangel2 Stop mining. Who needs electricity?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 no one said stop mining, how about stop lying for safety violations, maybe a good class action wrongful death suit would help motivate them
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@isawanangel2 no need to worry about plugging in all those electric cars if say 10k people go out and buy one when they get pissed if oil barrells go to say, 140? no matter if there's rolling blackouts cause gramas heart monitor is on solar backup, right? wake up, the energy crisis is real..they've been talking about it since the 70's for pete's sake
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@isawanangel2 There is NO energy crisis! Why would you say such a silly thing? Please explain WHY you think we have a crisis. I use a considerable amount of gas, my Ford has 300HP. I need gas, I buy gas. No crisis. If I couldnt afford it, I`d buy a Yaris or something. Big Deal.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 we need smartgrid sooner than later the rolling blackouts chart i have only goes back to 1984 or so but everyone has more crapola and dont worry no one is gonna flip a switch we cant get off fossil fuels that fast but they aren't renewable and the future population will need clean energy, even opec admitted oil was not sustainable like three months ago, see the purpa link on my channel, too, that's from 1976 so there's really nothing new it's embarassing really nothing has been done
isawanangel2 1 year ago
Rolling blackouts, the grid, has nothing to do with an "energy crisis". Electricity is generated mostly by coal and natural gas, both of which are in the US in huge quantities. There is not enough generating equipment to make electricity. Why? Govt controls utility pricing, and the allowed levels of profit do not allow more generating capacity. Electric utilities beg us not to use their product! Doesnt that ring a bell? Jeez..............
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 tell DOE they're wasting their time and i doubt the smartgrid stakeholder roundtable is going away anytime soon, it's called demand and response & the energy policy act of 2005, and cyberwar, terrorism & critical infastructure...go tell the gov that's not important, LOL
isawanangel2 1 year ago
There is more oil in the US in the form of "oil shale" than the middle east. Look it up. Of course, it costs more than oil is today. But oil will rise in price, consumers will want smaller cars, and the now economically unprofitable energy sources will eventually makes sense, at higher prices. It is stupid to make oil out of corn, for example, when that costs more than petroleum. Solar is also more expensive than the alternatives. Free markets will bring on new sources WHEN it is cheaper.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
As I recall, oil was about $50 barrel in 1980, is about $80 today. Big Deal. Has anything else gone up in 30 years?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 no, there's price controls, i'll send you the link, and yes, the population has gone up, and that's gonna continue too, god willing also the tiny issue of progress /watch?v=rzFbWGQLZiY and it fluxuates with inflation actually and of course the carter doctrine that's exasperating
isawanangel2 1 year ago
Price controls on what? Carter had price control limits on oil, and what it did was keep oil in the ground in the US. Reagan removed the controls, and the price declined to about $10 over the next 18-20 years( from 50). Price controls on electricity keep new generators from being used. But, that causes a "crisis", when Its 110 outside, and we get a blackout.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 surely you understand the relationship between energy and security, right?
isawanangel2 1 year ago
Surely you know the meaning of fungible, right?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Cenk this IS Capitalism at it's finest. Socialism is all about a regulated / mixed market. Capitalism is a FREE MARKET. What don't you understand about that? A free market means there is no government intervention. Capitalism isn't supposed to cater to the middle/ working/ lower class but the rich.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@SupremePenguinTone Thats why the Siviets were Rich? How come the commie Chinese are abandoning central planning? The US govt already regulates mining, gives citations, what are you talking about?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 cenk is a little off on his capitalist argument, let's get off that and refocus on the bribes, front groups, the fact that even obama is lying because there is no clean coal..just like permafrost, they're oxymorons
isawanangel2 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Huh? Who was rich? And by the way don't equate Socialism with the Soviet Union. I am no supporter of them after Lenin passed.
And Russia and China had 0 in common, so why are you mentioning them in the same sentence?
Do you know anything about Socialism? I mean Glenn Beck blubbering like a bitch on Fox News doesn't count as a reference.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@SupremePenguinTone The comment about Soviets (central planners) being rich was sarcastic. China is becoming richer as they free economic activity. They dont centrally plan to the same degree as before, and they are growing in standard of living. I didnt mention China and Russia in the same sentence, there was a period, meaning 2 sentences. However, both those countries were centrally planned economies to a much greater degree than the US, and suffered a lower standard of living as a result.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Well I never said Communists are rich so your attempt at being witty failed. By the way sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
As for China nothing you said has anything to do with Capitalism or Communism. Your government has no effect on the wealth of the country. If the money is there it will be made, it's just how you use it. If China was a true Socialist state now there wouldn't be slave labor. Neither China or Russia practiced true Marxist-Leninism though.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@SupremePenguinTone Soviets were comminist, we are capitalist (each to a degree, not perfection) , and our system gave better standards of living. IF you want better lives for the people, support the system that delivers it.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Communist by name but that doesn't mean they were following the teachings of Marx, which you wouldn't know as you've never read the Communist manifesto.
Secondly who has a better standard of living? The dead coal miners? The people denied healthcare? People forced to work three jobs? People thrown out of work when their company wants a profit?
Well India is Capitalist, so why is the deliverance of this great system? And Africa? And Latin America? Where? Show me this awesome system?
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
@SupremePenguinTone The US has a better standard of living than Russia, China, and India. Western Europe has a better standard than Eastern Europe. Western Europe, and the US have better standards of living than most of the world, and they are "mixed" economies, certainly not Capitalist examples in a pure form, anymore than the Soviets were Communist. India, China, are raising standards of living, and are decentralizing economic control.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 First off who in the US are you talking about? Because MANYYY people live in severe poverty. If you're talking about hollywood then yes you're correct. Secondly Russia isn't Communist, and they hadn't practiced it since Lenin died, China flushed Communism down the toilet when they allowed themselves to become the world's biggest sweat shop, and India? Huh? Where did India come from? No they don't have a good standard of living because they don't give a fuck about their people.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
Being exploited is the best thing that can happen to anyone. If workers didnt want to be exploited, they would stay home. What would a 3rd world nation DO with iron, for example. Make steel out of it in a non existent refinery? Make cars out of it in non existent factories? And, if they could, who has the money to buy them? You couldnty allow a western nation to "exploit" them by purchasing a product? Millions of Americans are just hoping to get exploited at a JOB.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 This is the true voice of the right wing. Out of touch, ignorant, racist fools who don't know anything and so talk out of their ass. So everybody who works doesn't work because they enjoy their job but because they want to be exploited? Huh? You have no idea about economics, business or politics. I'm sure Faux News would LOVE to offer you a slot on their channel.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
Every place I ever worked at had a door. I voluntarily went in, because it was my BEST OPTION at the time. Tell me, do you work in the WORST job you are able to get, or the BEST job you can get? Pretty stupid to complain about exploitation when where you work is your BEST option. I never had anybody hold a gun to my head, and force me to work. I saved my money, watch the markets and stay home. I dont like working, can get by on little, and made 75% in 2009, and nobody makes me work.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Western Europe has the best standard of living because they continue to exploit and rob nations of their resources. Without the third world the first world would collapse.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
Slave labor? Chinese are moving from the countryside VOLUNTARILY, eager to be "exploited" in factories, just as Americans did the same as OUR country moved from Agrarian to industrial. For thousands of years, agrarian society was brutally difficult, and the industrial age of exploiting children, long hours, dismal conditions drew the farmers into factories willingly. Children worked all day on the farms anyway, and everyone in the family was sunup to sundown, to barely stay alive.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
This is REAL connecting. Not that shit Beck does where he ends up connecting Hitler to Liberalism to Mao to Obama.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
I work quality assurance now at a "call center". i.e The new American factory. The attorneys who run this " wanton financial service", hired a German dude who ran a call center in Panama. We were prospering at the time. They wanted what? More understanding of the worker? No way. They wanted to tighten the reins and get more blood out of a stone. This guy upped the call/rest time ratio for more calls.He made the reps sign in and out going to the shithouse. This is the addiction of greed. Regulate
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 Gee, I would have thought all call centers were in India where the employees dont hate their jobs, boss, and companies. Most likely, they dont waste time in the bathrooms, necessitating a log either. I hired workers for 28 years, and anytime I could hire someone who didnt speak English and was from somewhere out of the US, it was a blessing to have a happy employee, not a disgruntled, ungrateful guy like you.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
MSHA is the equivelent to OSHA in the regular work force.
A violation could be as small as a cracked windshield on a drill, busted light, a drill log not complete, but the fact is I work outside in non-bituminous aggregate now and I have blue sky over my head instead of a mountain.
The ventilation problems in underground mining are inexcuseable. thats a big reason i left them. After Sago I was done going underground.
wvufanngarner 1 year ago
We have less regulations on dangerous industry since the Reagan years. ex. I worked for the US Treasury and I remember a Dept. of Agriculture worker talking about less AG inspectors and companies getting away with more and more. Later, after going to Europe I returned to the states. I worked daily labor for a Chgo. Food processor. Sure enough.There was only one inspector. Line people would drop chickens on a filthy floor and put them back. Workers there told me of a time when they'd be caught.
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 The point is that those workers were not to be trusted, should have been fired. You think that a govt employee needs to be watching every move made, coast to coast? How about a burger at McDonalds falling on the floor? They are open about 16 hrs a day, that would take 3, full time govt "watchers" per store. But, who would watch when the govt workers took a shit, ate? Do you think 1 govt employee could see every move in a business all the time? Nobody eats raw chicken anyway.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Let's start with Bank of Amerika. AIG. Goldman-Sachs. The stimulus money is the tip of the iceberg. I really do not hear of any hands on experience in heavy industry where without unions the basics of human decency would be lacking. I have heard nothing from you except a dodge. What kind of work have you done in your life in the areas of abusive employment? Answer the question. There is nothing vague here. The vid names a lot of names. How do you refute this? By making great generalizations.
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 Conditions in industry improved because productivity increased from an agricultural economy to and through the industrial revolution. Higher productivity allows better wages and conditions. IF unions could actually increase the total standard of living in a nation, they would prosper. Only govt unions prosper, and now, all levels of govt are going bankrupt.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Oh bullshit. Conditions improved because of strikes, confrontations and men and women united as a voting front and combined labor fronts confronting the owners, investors and politicians with possible ruin. Even now in f slave like "most favored trading nation" China. Beloved Microsoft's container laborers live in squalor, working from 8 AM to 10:45 PM.&that for starters. Microsoft's prospering. So are a load of other slave labor operations. another ex. NIKE. They are prospering.:)
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 Working in squalor for Microsoft is way better than any other option they have, OR, they wouldnt show up. If Microsoft HAD to pay more, they would go somewhere else. 20 or 30, years from now, China will be mainstream, and the evil capitalists will be in Africa, "exploiting" them out of starvation. Its about time, dont you think? Or, let them starve as always? No Exploit them!
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Excellent bottom line reasoning. Capitalism in a real market will not tolerate the collusion between government and special interests. It is getting close to revolution here now. I really want to ask the people of Appalachia. You're bad? You're tough? Really? Are you going to straddle the fence again? Is a mining job that important to you? You know the only reason why so many of you are so loyal to your jobs is simply because there's no one else there. No companies. No alternative employers.
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 Thats just the reason we need to be sure we dont destroy the industries that employ them. Those industries still alive, are the ones generating taxes for Obama to pay interest on our debts, and spend on ObamaCare.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
That guy with the red, white and blue outfit! And that hat! Rich! Very rich! :) Thanks-Turks. Rich.
distressed7 1 year ago
Long live international solidarity.
Workers in Europe, China or the US are not enemies. We have the same interests and have to fight together for labour rights, minimum wages, a strong wellfare state and so on. World has gone crazy and I am afraid, that nationalism and stupidity is even getting stronger.
nonameposter 1 year ago
Lets work together! We can wreck the whole world economy and live in equal poverty!
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1
Fair wages do not harm the world economy, but improve it
nonameposter 1 year ago
@nonameposter Fair? Who decides? I think its fair for you to give me your money.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Society decides what fair wages are and it is not that hard to define unfair wages. World has gone crazy, we would need a global strike for one week to remember the world who has the real power. Not some capitalists telling us that they would go to an other country. (They always tell us, that they have to go to the US,then there they tell them that China is cheaper...Today, governments are such pussys)
nonameposter 1 year ago
Societies obviously do NOT decide. The market decides. The balance between business, and workers availability decides. If in the US, the UAW decides a wage and benefit package that is uncompetitive to US manufacturers, the US public will choose cars built without UAW labor. The "mix" of cars I saw in the 1960`s is very different than today, in part, thanks to the UAW. Businesses go overseas, because consumers choose products made overseas. Consumers reject products made at wages society chooses
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Maximum working hours, minimum wages, social standards were the result of social struggles not the brutal anarchy of your market friend. You are promoting a race to the bottom (that cannot be won by the US), are a classical free market extremist. Overseas -> international soldiarity. In fact, in East Europe, Asia labour unions are getting stronger...
nonameposter 1 year ago
@nonameposter When I was young, there were no OT laws for restaurant work, and I was a fry cook. We worked usually 50- 55 hrs, and were grateful, because it isnt high pay work. The govt incrementally lowered the law over years to be over 40 hrs is OT. What happened is workers needing 50 hrs of income could no longer work over 40. Minimum wage laws state " any job not producing a profit for a business at the minimum wage can NOT exist. Low wage jobs are illegal. You fuck the poor.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
No, you are repeating economic lies that were invented to serve the interests of the capital. Countries with high minimum wages do not have a higher unemployment rate. Labour markets do not work that way in practice. Exactly the contrary is true. Reducing maximum working hours btw. also reduces unemployment and improves life quality of a society. In France, teachers only have to work for 12 hours...We have to demand higher wages not more working hours(my grandparents worked up to 17h/ day)
nonameposter 1 year ago
@nonameposter Minimum wage just makes it impossible for businesses who cant profit at that minimum to exist. So, poor people ( especially the young, inexperienced, or older not as strong workers) are prohibited from working. If a young inexperienced, or old person needing a few bucks wants to work, why deny him? If the shirt cant be made profitably at minimum wage here, it will be made somewhere else.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Lol, please stop repeating stupid slogans from 1900 and start looking at labour markets, statistics. There is simply no positive relation between unemployment rates and minimum wage. Have you forgottn the times, where companies earned billions, but the workers did not get a fair share? This is the result, when you "let the market decide" Do you also support child labour? Why deny when they want to work?
You don't even realise, what an extremist you are.
nonameposter 1 year ago
@nonameposter In Mao`s time, unions had little power in China, because economic conditions were poor, and nothing could be done for the workers, there was no cash to help. Today, the unions are gaining better conditions, because reduction in central planning is causing growth, and that growth can improve conditions. Growth, profit, then better conditions. Otherwise, every country can just legislate wealth. Business has to be good, before wages can be.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
WTF? We were not talking about Mao/nationalized economy, but minimum wages. Why do so many Americans mix up a "social capitalism" with some kind of pseudocommunist dictatorship? This is pure populism, not a serious debate. What about 110 Million day laborers in China and a decreasing wage share. Good thing?
If you look up the economic wonder and Austria, you will find out, that an economy grows faster/constant with growing wages.
nonameposter 1 year ago
@nonameposter YOU are the one who mentioned that eastern Europe, and Asia, have growing unions (true) and also have improving working conditions (also true). You think that unions cause better working conditions, wages? How can that possibly be true UNLESS the economy is growing, allowing a rising standard of living. You are saying in effect, that just making a law to raise wages, or cut hours creates wealth. Raising wages by coercion only TRANSFERS wealth, doesnt create it.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Why would working together wreck the whole world economy? You make a generalized postulation that has no valid proof or even a workable concept to support it. So, let's get this straight. If we work together we'll wreck the whole world economy? I'd really like to hear the intergalactic methodology behind this piece of brilliance.
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 Labor unions, minimum wages, those are both forces that lower overall standards of living. They lower standards for those "not in the club", poor, unemployed folks whose job cannot exist at minimum wage rates. Libs think if a business cant pay minimum wage, it should go overseas, same issue with union wages. If a plant cant pay union wage, leave the US. That is bad, not good.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Dude. I worked more factories, construction, aside from serving in the Marine Corps. active during the Viet War. For starters, I am not among the likes of your lover. Union logic like yours is just as putridly narrow as the stone leftists who think the proletariat is pristine and faultless. History is proof that industry's leaders are not largely leaders at all. I worked in sweatshops on the SW Side of Chicago. Without unions:Taking a shit would've taken an act of congress.
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 I`ve never been in a union. But, you and I are both being taxed, and going into heavy debt on a state and federal level to pay for unions. BTW, all the heavily unionized industries are now gone. Mostly the govt employees on al levels exist, being supported by the rest of us. Good thing govt at all levels near bankruptcy, so they can be cut loose too.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 I am being taxed because of cowards like the piece of work you luv so much. GW and Cheney "I had other priorities" during Nam, and a host of other worthless leadership from that world. The NeoCon gang that seized the 911 time and got us into worthless wars that cost billions a day to keep going, not to mention human lives. Lots of special interest there. Gen/Pres.Elect Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us of the greed of the unwarranted influence of the Military Industrial Complex. TAXR'US
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 Obama is in power, he can allow the terrorists a victory if he wants, cant he? An accomplished CEO, member of various admins like Cheney, has no business being cannon fodder. GW was a fighter pilot in the National Guard, not a disgrace at all, unless you wish to disgrace the National Guard. John Kerry had 4 deferments, he never wanted to go either.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Joining the guard during the Nam Era was a sure bet to get out of Nam. That was the hustle everybody talked of. He was fucking drunk half his time in there and missed flight assignments. His father's connections doctored him out and doctored his records. If anyone's an insult to the others who went active AF it's Bush. An accomplished CEO? Cheney? That's nothing to brag about since he was feathering his nest during Nam. Yeh, he had other priorities alright. They send others to die.
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 23,000 National Guardsmen served in Viet Nam. National Guard pilots as well. As for drinking and having a good time, Bush is the same as most of us. The records doctoring was exposed as falsification, you forgot that was exposed?? "Feathering his nest', thats a synonym for "work"? The govt hired Halliburton because it needed the services. It assisted the govt. Perhaps you approve of drafting the necessary labor to do these jobs? But, where does the expertise come from?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Oh this is rich! This is classist bullshit at its best. So you admit that we who served active are canon fodder? Yes. You do. An accomplished CEO? He, above all should be accountable in his youth to backup his allegations of patriotism. It is deeds not words that accurately pinpoint a person's makeup. When you demand of one to risk his life you provide an example and not subterfuge. This 23K amount of men who served in Viet Nam is so minute as to the million plus active. Spare me.:)
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 No one has a problem with people who serve. If you wish to make it a requirement to be President, or Vice- President that you had to be in the military, perhaps that is a good idea. But, do you have to be a grunt in a trench getting shot at, or could you be stationed in Germany, or the US, where you dont get shot at? Or, have a job in the military that doesnt get you shot at? Obama never got shot at either, and he sent more troops to Afghanistan, yet your comments dont include him
luvcheney1 1 year ago
TYT, Thank you for posting your references. I would really appreciate seeing that more often.
JosephCheetah 1 year ago
These people are like priests and we are the little babies they are fucking.
SkreetGil 1 year ago
Turn around go back down go back the way you came
Shout a warning to the nations that the sword of god is raised
On Babylon that mighty city rich in treasure wide in fame
It shall cause thy towers to fall and make it be a pyre of flame
Oh God the pride of man broken in the dust again
(~~"Pride Of Men," by Hamilton Camp, recorded by Gordon Lightfoot)
WolverineDeus 1 year ago
i hate this story i am sick after hearing the details and back history it seems as always what pushed me to vomit in the trash can i keep handy while watching currrrrrrrrrent goings on in the world of politics in the country i call home here on TYT is the holy than thou tone is cenks(demarcates) voice as he gives the guilty (republicans) the lashing they deserve while informig us of the details of the horrible occurrences that happened in this whole mitch mcconell cole mine situation
durwoodnumto 1 year ago
you need sound with your intro
Aunenator 1 year ago
Trust me, They play the game, But they don't care about American's, To them, We are just there workhorse. This indecent just deepen's the confirmation.
TheBlueConch 1 year ago
That was the most informative commentary,That I have seen on this. Thank's Cenk. Hope I got your name right. When you ask these people, They will say that they are blessed with riches, As though from God. When in reality it is from the blood of hard working Americans. They could be building wind turbine's, But it would slow there money machine down to much. I have worked for oil companies and intimidation is there first name. Modern day Pinkerton's. Flat out evil bullies.
TheBlueConch 1 year ago
Corporations are forced to behave like psychopaths; people are cheaper than following regulations or the fees for breaking them.
Common psychonomics. Grows out of unregulated financial markets at the end of kakistocracies.
Tressco 1 year ago
I heard about how bad the company was years ago on Ring of Fire radio program. Don Ferguson is a big right wing republican, member of US Chamber of Commerce, climate change opponent. And I beleive they said he had a Darwin mentality like the Enron guy Jeff something.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
This is EXACTLY what will bring this country down... GREED.
Rome did not last.
Alexander the Greats reign did not last.
The great power of the Egyptians did not last.
And neither will we........
MrYoubrian 1 year ago
70% of electricity comes from coal. Just raise the price of electricity for all Americans and use the proceeds for coal mine safety. But gee, I bet none of the people leaving comments here are willing to do that. When it comes from their own pockets, mine safety is no longer such a high priority.
tthemessenger 1 year ago
@tthemessenger I would have agreed to pay more to have prevented this. At least, I'd like to think I would. However, we could be saved all sorts of money if we just abandoned regard for the safety of workers. While no one wants the government controlling their lives, there needs to be at least some sort or regulations. The government is there to protect us not just from enemy attackers but also collapsing mine shafts. It is safe to say they did not do that here.
jimbrown257 1 year ago
Companies are not in the business of protecting people or the environment. They are in business to make money. What is so hard to understand about that. Are people so stupid that they do not know this. COMPANIES ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY! Nothing else.
chinacat22 1 year ago
@chinacat22
Everyone knows corporations are there to make money. Cenk mentions it all the time; he says "corporations are not immoral but they are amoral." Because their purpose is simply to make money, something must be done so people don't end up dying. It is all about balance; all government= USSR, no government=Somalia. You've probably read The Jungle, right? There needs to be at least some regulations to prevent such conditions.
jimbrown257 1 year ago
im so depressed by all the ridiculous corruption in our country and the world
human nature is a scary, scary thing
D119heavy 1 year ago
We're silly to think that slurry dump wasn't planned. He had to get rid of it and knew the pond wouldn't hold much longer. Just play it off like an 'accident' and walk away guilt free. These bastardos don't care about anything but their almighty dollar. 3,000 safety violations and people are happy to applaud their owner. We are brainwashed.
blueskies66 1 year ago
contest: who can make the best monster out of a photo of mitch mcconnell?
ho2cultcha 1 year ago
@ho2cultcha I think Mitch McConnell already looks like the Balok "puppet" from the Star Trek episode "The Corbomite Maneuver." Just shine some green and red lights on McConnell's face and add some psychedelic filtered lens. No need for Clint Howard or numerous shots of tranya to complete the effect.
IMDRanged 1 year ago
When I saw what Blankenship was wearing I just barely held back some puke, then came 11:12... holyshit...
BcallingDB 1 year ago
Blankenship is the devil himself
macroorchidism 1 year ago 6
It is just amazing how these interesting individuals get elected and have no intention of ever looking after their constituents. They only become part of the next get rich scheme, if the govenment doesn't hit this guy between the eyes after these horrible crimes by this evil little man how can people ever respect this Democracy of the people for the people.
gyice 1 year ago
@gyice what democracy? It's an open market, your 'elected' are just corporate bitches. With Obama changing the law so there's no limit for campaign contributions your failing democracy got flushed down the toilet.
TsarSamuil 1 year ago
Good vid, it proves America is fucked...they are getting choked by their own greedy ideals.
TsarSamuil 1 year ago 2
This is the real "Death Panels"!!
121jazzy 1 year ago 2
Great video!
omgwtflolz 1 year ago
Wow 385 ratings @ 4.99. That has to be a YouTube political show record.
boredguy299 1 year ago
this is good stuff. its what I watch TYT for. You wont hear about this stuff anywhere else.
A31Chris 1 year ago 6
thank-you for the research......
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syeshasucks 1 year ago
In my mind Greed is not a terrible thing, it is a dumb thing. Greed means never being satisfied with now, or what you have. Greed just believes that more is best. When we chase a fantasy that is money, or staus, we eventually are left without what is essential.
A sincere handshake, smile or hug is worth more to the dying man than the deluded one who values paper with ink on it.
:P
Joxman2k 1 year ago 2
Tell that to the unions who have driven most manufacturing out of the US, and are bankrupting States and municipalities all over the country. NJ state employee retiring after working 25- 50 yrs old gets $4 million in retirement benefits while workers all over the country try to live on 400 a week unemployment. Meanwhile, their states put higher auto fees, sales taxes, trash fees, water fees, electric fees, to pay the 4 million to a non working guy 50 years old. And you say corps are greedy?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
Dirty bastards with blood in their hands, it is like order someone to be killed. It is definitely evil to me.
blade9z 1 year ago
This is depressing, and just sickening. Over 3,000 safety violations and this bastard spend a million dollars for a campaign??? Not only that, all the money to his personal expense...yet not a dime to make sure the mines were safe? And look....29 people lost their lives in that mine due to this idiots ignorance in ignoring the violations. Why isn't he, McConnell, and that bitch of a wife of his aren't arrested? $5,000 for a fine over a spill?? You Crazy Mother F**ker!
Mika20 1 year ago 23
@Mika20 Another Corporate Hitler getting away with Fraud, wrongful death. The families cannot sue the mine because it falls under workers compensation laws, which block one from suing their employer. The only cause of action they could have wrong on was a whistle blower law, where they sent a certify letter to the owner of the mine and then within 30 days they had to file a law suit in state court, but most lawyers don't know the whisle blower laws.
KamikazeKoscki 1 year ago 2
@Mika20 They do not get arrested because this nation is wrought in evil. I hate to rain on anyone's patriotic parade, but the whole country is founded on the holocausts and slaveries of other people. KY is called the "dark and bloody ground." It has to do with the brutal wars against native peoples.
distressed7 1 year ago
If Native Peoples were at least smart enough to have the Wheel, things would have better.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 Yes....and?
distressed7 1 year ago
@distressed7 You brought up war against "native peoples". That was just a natural, inevitable change. The Stone Age was over, "native peoples" just didnt know.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@luvcheney1 I am still trying to find out where native peoples comes into play after a certain point? And again. You are like a lot punks who will tell combat vets about the war in Viet-Nam, or comment on combat conditions based on books. There is no real experience here. None. Just high rightist rhetoric. Again. What factories have you worked in? What docks did you sling loads in? Have you ever worked in a place that forbids toilet use except for permissions granted? This'll be rich.
distressed7 1 year ago
YOU mentioned "native people". I drove tractor trailer for R.E.A. express co, and their Los Angeles distribution center was behind Union Station in downtown L.A. I worked as a fry cook, alongside illegal aliens too, for years. But, I certainly do NOT believe dumb ass laborers are qualified to opine on corporate activity, nor management practices. Some grunt in VietNam is to be respected, but his opinion on strategy, politics, the big picture is no more valid than that of a Starbucks employee.
luvcheney1 1 year ago
@Mika20
It's funny how corporations are granted the same rights as a citizen but none of the acountability.
Not funny "ha ha" though.
jimbrown257 1 year ago
@jimbrown257 Is it "funny" that human beings own corporations? Do human beings in the US have rights to choose how they utilize their own property in a legal way?
luvcheney1 1 year ago
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@luvcheney1
"Do human beings in the US have rights to choose how they utilize their own property in a legal way?"
...Of course. However, if I have a guy over to fix the air ducts in my attic and he dies when the attic collapses because I have ignored what the safety inspector told me I have to do, I can go to prison for neglagent homocide. If a dozen miners die for the same reason, the corporation/humans who own it might get a fine.
jimbrown257 1 year ago
@Mika20 The slurry spill environmental disaster is estimated to have inflicted approximately $28 billion in damage, and Massey Energy was eventually fined $5600.
WolverineDeus 1 year ago
fucking scum
people are dying and corporations like this are costing tax payers money. idk when this country is goin to lighten up to the corruption in washington and get sick of it. we need to take the money out of politics, thats the only way shit like this wont happen.
seetherfeast777 1 year ago
@seetherfeast777 Don't worry. Tea Baggers will save us.
marcomariaz26 1 year ago
Evil is as evil does.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
MItch McConnell looks like a fucking goblin. I knew he was pure evil.
nnamdi247 1 year ago 2
This is unbelievably infuriating. Makes me literally sick to my stomach. The worst was hearing the sheep in the background of that vile 'man's' speech... "Yea!".. "Woohoo!". Where do these ignoramuses spawn from? America, literally the only western country where you are guaranteed to find people willfully fighting against their own benefit and proudly showcasing their ignorance as if it were a virtue.
osiris143 1 year ago 9
they should put these people in jail.....a dark damp 10x10 cell
spygirl43 1 year ago
This video needs thousands more views
jwhyte67 1 year ago
One of your best stories. Donating now well done, exceptional journalism here folks
Twelvesteps 1 year ago 5
You can see the evil in the eyes of these men. If you are a good person like me you can see.
blackmullen182 1 year ago
Those God damn bastards... Thanks cenk for getting this out in the light so we can see these rotten Mother Fuckers for who they really are!
voltar711 1 year ago 3
this guy is great at broadcasting. where can i donate
theprocess04 1 year ago
Those God damn bastards... Thanks cenk for letting the public know the true about these rotten motherfuckers!
voltar711 1 year ago
Send this to everone you can
ubuibiok 1 year ago 2
Mitch McConell and his mail order bride can fucking burn in hell!!!
unincorporated1 1 year ago 20
@unincorporated1
She is not a mail order bride (racist), and there is no hell (delusionalist).
That being said Mitch is a part of the machinery that is politics and Americans let it happen.
TYT challenges and questions the status quo, because if you don't ask/demand for your rights to be respected then you don't have any. People will walk over your rights if you let them... thats why there is a constitution.
:P I kid the patriotic :)
Joxman2k 1 year ago
@unincorporated1 I'm totally with you on McConnell and his wife burning in hell, but when you call her a "mail order bride," it doesn't reflect well on you or on our side in general, because it comes off as racist. I'm sure you can do better...let's leave the racism to the teabaggers.
leftyms 1 year ago
@leftyms No you don't understand. I only called her a mail order bride because she's Asian.
Hope that cleared things up. :D
unincorporated1 1 year ago
Well, he's wearing a flag, so he just HAS to be on the level, right? Derp.
SwampThizzle 1 year ago
more capitalism failures... man this crash is gonna be epic.
RubiconJohn 1 year ago 3