SAMURAI CODE QUOTES(from "GhostDog")

[Catlicker101]

2 dislikes? Ronin.

[monQsurlaKomod]

@Catlicker101

;)

[monQsurlaKomod]

i´m fed up with all these commentaries trying to tell ´´i´m right, you´re not´´ or ´´i understand this, not you´´...!!

i´ve made this for people who didn´t know the HAGAKURE to have a piece of it and maybe want to discover the whole book. PERIOD.

[americannable]

are these all of them?

[KaNaCkStAr21]

since the first time i saw this movie it was about 10 years ago, i use the seven deep breaths decision strategy, it helped me to choose the right way in my life!

[y1n10j100]

ユートピアは要らない。要るのは日本。

Utopia is not required. Japan is required.

[bushidomind]

we all see what we want to

[DateJPN]

Bushido was a false sense of entitlement to Samurai. They didn't live by this "code" until the Tokugawa Shogunate brought it to to light. The Samurai who lived under the Tokugawa Shogunate saw no real war. No large scale battles. The Tokugawa Shogunate put Bushido into effect because they were afraid of another revolt which crippled the Ashikaga Shogunate and the Empire.

[monQsurlaKomod]

@DateJPN i think -because i have read some referencies in this way-, that Bushido came from Zen, and Zen came from the Tao...so it could have begun the 3rd century before Christ..think what you wanna think, so do I...but never forget that none of us can be sure of something he didn't live...

[DateJPN]

@monQsurlaKomod I've read numerous articles, books and what not about the Tokugawa Shogunate. Bushido was to keep Samurai in line. They were afraid of Samurai rising against the government like it did the three times before. Don't get me wrong, Bushido has been around since the 12th century, however it didn't have Tenets like it does now nor did it have a name. Bushido was driven by these ideals from the 12th century. Not to mention Samurai of the 1600's and later saw absolutely NO war.

[whispers83]

@monQsurlaKomod never forget "The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend."

hagakure was decent. i prefer some of the chinese lit i found on gutenberg

[LeMetatron459]

@monQsurlaKomod Zen is the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese Chan. Chan is an abbreviation of the term Chan-na from the Pali Jania which a step in Yogic Meditation.

The principles of Zen Buddhism, like buddhism itself find their routes in Hindu traditions. For more information I'd recommend the Bhagavad Gita and the Yoga Sutra.

[monQsurlaKomod]

@LeMetatron459 Sensei Dogen made the trip to China to bring back Zen -i'm all right with you and do not understand why you wrote me that...???- and by the way, real "Zen" (oups!) masters do not say Zen but Do (Tao..Dao)

-j'en ai marre d'écrire en anglais, le diktat!-

ouais, tu veux faire le malin, vas-y éclate-toi:

la Bhagavad-Gita, j'ai lu et je sais déjà ce que tu me dis alors....

[jin54363]

@monQsurlaKomod

no, bushido came with the culture of japan, not with outside influence.

[rufusvonstorm]

@DateJPN anyone who spends their entire life cultivating the skills and inner state of a soldier(bushi) is practicing bushido

[DateJPN]

@rufusvonstorm I never argued that. I'm just saying that in actuality, Bushido was just a reinforcement to samurai of the Edo Period so they would fall in line. People forget that the Shogun held little to no power if the rest of the country didn't fall in line. The Shogun wasn't the end all, be all.

[occlusian]

@DateJPN The point is that this is what we want to believe the samurai -- or the ninja -- or the cowboy -- or any "idealized warrior" -- was about. Bushido per se didn't exist until late in the feudal period, and the Hagakure is notably late, but there was certainly a notable ritualism to Japanese combat (at the "Noble" level -- compare Knights of Europe). And, of course, the real fighting was done by the poor bastards who never had poems written about them :)

[neggrodomus]

@DateJPN This is true, but it does not take away from the principle of the code it self.

[jin54363]

@DateJPN

what is your definition of bushido?

[DateJPN]

@jin54363 The same one as everyone else's. It's just the fact that "Bushido" was never actually used during times of war. It was created after the Tokugawa Shogunate had risen to power.

[jin54363]

@DateJPN

please explain to me the meaning of bushdido "your meaning of it"

[DateJPN]

@jin54363 A philosophy used by "samurai" during the Tokugawa Shogunate. It stressed honor, intelligence, and self-control. I'm not sure there's any other definition of it really. It's a pretty cut and dry term.

[jin54363]

@DateJPN

from a video that i watched from a japanese person, it said that bushido is "Attitude of a fight that concluded only in the same value system"

i think you misunderstand the word, its quite difficult for foreigner to understand the meaning, i didn't understand it either, but with further study on this "through life experience, i started to understand it better. please watch this video, it explains better

/watch?v=c07V1wGEVKc

[DateJPN]

@jin54363 I've read books on it and that's what they all state. It's a philosophy "of the warrior spirit" and "is used in and out of battle". The point I'm making is that Bushido, as a philosophy, was never used by ANY wartime Samurai. Their "acceptance of death at any given moment" is complete rubbish as they never faced that situation.

[jin54363]

@DateJPN

what i'm saying is that even those people who wrote the books you read, have misunderstood that word.

bushido is the way of every japanese people looking at an enemy. as a brother with respect and understanding.

[GJWHITEHOUSE]

Consider the alternatives, the ways and in seven breaths choose, having chosen lock onto it, do not be diverted by other ways or objectives, choose the most direct way to succeed strike in the heat of the moment and do not shy away, sheer kinetic energy should propell you forward.

[GJWHITEHOUSE]

Is this not a direction to look inward to find your enemy, to destroy your own weakness?

This has nothing at all to do with killing it is a direction to form character and to temper resolve so that you can never be deflected or diverted in your aims or objectives.

[GJWHITEHOUSE]

Surely this is an exhortation to show resolve. To adhere to objectives in the same way as the hawk locks onto target, to refuse to compromise, to act as quickly and immediately as posible, to refuse to be disracted by the inevitabilty of matters such as a drenching. Resolution should be made with speed and with such certainty that it can never be deflected.

[tokyocityrat]

samurai code = no fear to die.

There is a book "hagakure" to know samurai codes.

[rcrookes49]

Great Book and Movie! Thanks for the post!

[monQsurlaKomod]

i've just realised that when it's raining, i'm always thinking of "the attitude during rain"....i've read it so many times....

[ernk72]

same here that one stuck with me

[NotoriousTao]

Hagakure Way of the samurai....by far the best book ive ever read

[monQsurlaKomod]

i do agree...but i hope you got the longest version....right?

[it's more than a book..maybe a guide?...like Yukio Mishima said it: take it everywhere, read a piece whenever you got time..always something to learn..

PEACE

[recoveryprankcalls]

@monQsurlaKomod he wrote that in the samurai times so off course its for the samuraies only.

[monQsurlaKomod]

@recoveryprankcalls 'he' (i suppose you're talking about YAMAMOTO) didn't write it litteraly and didn't want it to be written....he told this quotes, this stories to someone who kept it in his mind and wrote it after several meetings with Yamamoto.

and i don't agree with you: it's not only for samurai, for me it's a life's code..

everyone to his point of view....

[recoveryprankcalls]

@monQsurlaKomod well let me ask you this. you kill people? i dont think so. so your not really follow this way

[monQsurlaKomod]

@recoveryprankcalls DID YOU READ IT???...i don't think so...: the obsession of the samurai about death is to die and not to kill....to kill is, in war, a way to show great determination to his master but to die with honor is more important (that's why there was the SEPPUKU)...

i'm not a warrior -maybe i could- but what i was trying to say, it's that it's a LIFE CODE....in HAGAKURE, there isn't only WAR quotes....well, read it first...

[DerSpartaner]

@monQsurlaKomod

What you are trying to say I think is, that "The Book behind the Leaves" not only shows how to a Samurai should kill and act on the battlefield. A Samurai although needs to show "Intelligence" and "Passion". But I wouldn´t call it LIFE CODE, because of one fact:

The Way of the Samurai is found in DEATH. By considering yourself as dead you will be able to LIVE honorfull and determined to your way.

I would call it a "DEATH CODE for TRUE LIFE". What u say, brother?

[monQsurlaKomod]

@DerSpartaner hi!...anyway, Death is linked with Life...can't doubt...Samurai were not supposed to learn only how to kill: like geisha, they were educated for calligraphy, ikebana, tea ceremony, etc.....samurai were not exclusively warrior like geisha were not exclusively "whore".../i just think that there are many quotes that could be taken for a modern way of life...i took them..

[revengefulgh0st]

@DerSpartaner think of it like this!!! everyday u get closer to dying. u could get hit by a car and all that!!! at any moment. so if u live as if u are dead then u are freed from the worries of life and all its problems more or less.which gives u the ability to do what u want to do and get what u want out of life. liberation for ur mind and soul!! this is my favorite movie. hence the revengefulgh0st screen name. i use it for everything just about.

[revengefulgh0st]

@DerSpartaner think of it like this!!! everyday u get closer to dying. u could get hit by a car and all that!!! at any moment. so if u live as if u are dead then u are freed from the worries of life and all its problems more or less.which gives u the ability to do what u want to do and get what u want out of life. liberation for ur mind and soul!! this is my favorite movie. hence the revengefulgh0st screen name. i use it for everything just about.

[revengefulgh0st]

@DerSpartaner think of it like this!!! everyday u get closer to dying. u could get hit by a car and all that!!! at any moment. so if u live as if u are dead then u are freed from the worries of life and all its problems more or less.which gives u the ability to do what u want to do and get what u want out of life. liberation for ur mind and soul!! this is my favorite movie. hence the revengefulgh0st screen name. i use it for everything just about.

[grandcollection]

... in seven deep breaths time, decision should be made....

[GrandMotherFather]

right on

[sonikar]

weird westernes

[monQsurlaKomod]

read "the 47 ronins" and you'll learn that Bushido is tough to understand in a single way..

[karatekidguy]

whoops UNDERSTAND

[monQsurlaKomod]

this kind of "vocal fighting" in order to know who's right do not concern me..

..it's a VERY WESTERN vision..

..if I have interest in ancient asia, that's because Tao, Zen and Bushido are fitting with the way I want to BE and I just want to share..no need to explain: that's the difference between the Monk and the Professor (as it's said in an old japanese story)..the Professor ask questions to the monk and try to explain everything, and the Monk answers: "THE BOWL IS USEFUL COS' IT'S EMPTY.."

[karatekidguy]

I undertand and thankyou

[seany83]

man i love that, thank you

[monQsurlaKomod]

you don't want to discuss but to win the discussion.....kyudo learn to think about the action and not the final goal...

"mouse's head, bull's head"

BAKERO

[Number11na]

Jim Jarmusch only selected quotes from the early parts of the Hagakure suggesting that he just opened up the first part of the book and took quotes randomly without reading the whole book through. The quotes taken for his film are literally only a few sections apart from another in the book. I highly doubt he read more than a few pages of the Hagakure.

[monQsurlaKomod]

don't worry....i got the second and complete version of the HAGAKURE...

[Number11na]

what?

[monQsurlaKomod]

so what what???...I meant to say i know there are other great quotes in this book but i think now that people might read the Tao-To King before, in a way to learn how to see things in an asian way and therefore understand the Hagakure..without this condition, the Hagakure is only a romantic way to think...

[Number11na]

2 points

1. I was referring to how Jim Jarmusch obviously hasnt read the whole book

and

2. I'm not sure why you bring up Taoism as being a necessary thing to understand the Hagakure here (or the original part on Jarmusch). Hagakure is not an "asian way" to think. Hagakure is about renouncing body to singular goal. You bring up Taoism as way to sound smarter and only for that reason I wonder ....

[monQsurlaKomod]

if i wanted to pretend 'smarter', i would have done a video of my head with my mouth talking and talking...etc...i just answered to you...'do not ask question if you're not prepared to accept ANY answers'...well,the Tao learn the major importance and benefits of the VOID and everybody knows that in the traditionnal western way of thinking, people are always trying to fulfill their hands, their houses, his hearts...the new ASIA too but not the old/traditionnal one....the one of the Tao...

[SeekingHonor]

Greetings sir. I partialy agree with your second point. He did bring up Taoism to prove his deeper understanding. But your first point. The book even says on the back that it is in no particular sequence.

[SeekingHonor]

Greetings sir. I totaly disagree with your romantic statement. I understand that I may romantasize about combat at times but Hagakure puts it into perspective. Thiers nothing romantic about cutting heads off or cutting your belly for dishonor.

[monQsurlaKomod]

i really don't care if you disagree or whatelse.....thank you so much...

[SeekingHonor]

I am disappointed. I thought we would have a logical discussion. But now it is apparent that you have no understanding. You are one of those who validates his lifes worth by the thoughts of others. For if you truly didnt care you would not have said you didnt care. Anyone can read just as anyone can fight. But not everyone can understand.

[hippostick]

Thanks for posting. Great narration, nice images

[malandrojiujitsu]

perfect

[monQsurlaKomod]

FANX A LOT

glad it pleased you

PEACE

[bardontheriver]

Great work! Forest's narration is perfect!

[monQsurlaKomod]

DOMO!!..Glad it pleased you but it wasn't exactly a work..

FANX / PEACE