I was born in Wales, moved to Canada as a child. Had problems with my foreskin all the way along; when I came out and figured out I was gay and say my first cut men "up close", I knew my foreskin was doomed.
I've been circumcised 16 years now. I love it. I wish I'd had it done at birth.
But I do agree, circumcision without anesthesia is barbaric. Agree about the merits of circumcision or not, we can agree there is no reason to do it without Lidocaine and EMLA.
@TheLawrenceWade not the easiest thing in the world to drug up millions of infants a year without losing some to THAT. So we're still talking dead babies in the service of parental fear/loathing of sex.
Glad you're happy with yours; be glad you had the choice. I never had a choice. Doing this before 18 is a violation of human rights.
it should be up to the parents end of story if you don't wanna have it done to your kid fine but if someone else wants to its no one else's business & the kids obviously don't remember the pain & this whole "they dont have the right its not their body" um they ARE the parents & they have ALL THE RIGHTS. people need to mind their fucking business & keep opinions to themselves.
@theunderdoggx1 you rank among the sickest people on this planet. By your rational parents could punch their babies in the face for a year or so or etch the US flag on their stomach with a razor because it was entertaining, they didn't apparently feel it & won't remember. The parents do not own the child. The child's genitals are not defect at birth & therefore a non therapeutic operation removing 1000s of sexual nerve endings is effectively a criminal act. It must be outlawed.
@theunderdoggx1 the problem is that the child cannot do what you just did, namely say to the parents "that's my penis, I want to use it as nature had intended when I grow up, I can't stand the pain inflicted by you on me, and "mind your own fucking business" because when I am an adult I want to have everything that nature gave me, and not a keratinized dried up permanently exposed internal organ grating on clothing with the loss of masses of sensitivity I would have otherwise had
@theunderdoggx1 Except that the kid's right to bodily integrity and choice is being violated. The only reason parents EVER have ANY rights over their kids is as CUSTODIANS. It is their job to *protect* their children until they're old enough to choose for themselves. Having them harmed in the name of your OWN beliefs (not theirs; an infant has none) is replacing custodial responsibility with selfish possessiveness. Your child is a person, not a plaything or a symbol or vessel of YOUR beliefs.
as a final touch, and something that drives us non americans so mad, is that you have done something that is classic in US style of arguing; My original statement was "& reducing the sexual organ from a properly working organ to one that no longer functions the way it was supposed to" to your version of my apparent claim which is "The penis does not work anymore if it is circumcised?" One has get into discussions with americans to experience something like that.
Circumcision inside America was very rare before the Nazis smartly uncovered most of the communist jews in their midst through inspection of the penis since the Germans also never circumcised. America has been jewish-owned ever since the 1890s so it was dictated in 1937 that American infants should all be circumcised so that jewish males could not be identified so easily. The mostly-moronic USA parents were easily coerced by their jewish masters to mutilate their male infants without debate.
@PERSIAIOS So its okay to inflict pain and suffering on someone as long as they don't remember it? By that logic its okay to punch a baby in the face.
@LatumWay Yes it is fine plus they get many health benefits from this this is why we invented it, now stop crying about circumcision like a pathetic goy and realize we helped you untamed beasts.
@MrJewishWarrior The 'health benefits' argument is complete falsehood aside from being irrelevant anyway - even if it was true, it wouldn't justify infant circumcision.
And if you're looking at it from a Jewish perspective it was not 'invented' for health reasons, but as a covenant with God.
Aside from all that, I'm actually not sure if you're serious or not or just trolling, so I'll say this - I'm uncircumcised, so you haven't 'tamed' me.
@LatumWay Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious. Circumcision in infancy makes it 10 times less likely. Those are two benefits of circumcision. I cannot type more because of 500 character limit.
@PERSIAIOS Some kids die from circumcision. A small number all things considered, but if YOUR son was in that small statistic, how would you feel? Most of the so called problems associated with having a complete penis would be prevented by being sexually responsible and good hygiene. Anyway, surely a man has the right to decide on any aesthetic modifications? Don't fool yourself, that's why many people do it. because they think it "looks better", or just because the father is.
@PERSIAIOS it is not 1 in 1000 it is nowhere near that high. penile cancer is rarer than male breast cancer and almost always effects men over 70 and anyway circumcised men get penile cancer at the same tiny rate as intact men.
@MrJewishWarrior And frankly, calling me a 'beast' and a 'goy' really does very little to mark you out as a reasonable opponent. You can have your beliefs, and that's fine. But don't impose them on infants.
And certainly don't come onto my channel and hurl racial epithets at me like a fucking child.
@LatumWay You will never get rid of Circumcision, over our dead body!! You see what we did with the San Francisco bill? You underestimate the power of the Jewish community goyhead, and your videos or any attempts by the rest of you schmucks is futile, you should just move on with your life.
@LatumWay By the way, your whole infant rant, doubt a 30 year old guy is going to decide to get circumcised because of the pain. By circumcising an infant, it gives many health benefits, don't reply saying "no mate it's just religious." Go on google if you really want to, type in something like "reasons to get circumcised." About 10+ reasons why it is a good idea eh? Now type benefits of an uncut penis. 1. Sex feels mildly better. Not gonna matter when you get cancer of the penis mate.
@MrJewishWarrior there are no health benefits what so ever you liar, only damage and destruction. Period. You didn't help anyone; you only damaged someone else against their will and without asking them. Thankfully it sounds like you were more than likely transformed into a sexual spastic, and given your remarks I applaud that action wholeheartedly, to make a brief exception. "Enjoy".
@MrJewishWarrior Moses is dead, bitch. I know your kind runs Hollywood and the nigger New York. WE WILL KILL YOU PENIS SLASHER! Fuck Zionism, your kind wouldve been gassed out by cyclon-b if not for jew controlled aryans. WE WILL RAPE YOU. REPEATEDLY.
@LatumWay Look, the pain is merely for an hour, at most, babies forget it even happened after they took a nap. My nephew hit himself hard in the head with a frying pan he picked up from the table after climbing the chairs (he is two). That clank was heard throughout the house, however, 30 minutes later he was running around as nothing happened. Of course punching a baby makes no sense but circumcising gives a load of benefits, google it. not like we do it to hurt babies, it helps them.
@PERSIAIOS I don't need to remember it, I can see the results of it every day. In any case, the fact that they won't remember it is a flawed argument A) because it's not good enough, and B) some people, like Muslims, do this to their kids when they're about 10.
@TheWorstWarlock I was never talking about Muslims to begin with. How is the fact that they will not remember not good enough? The pain lasts for literally an hour, on the car ride home there either sleeping or laughing. This video was on the fact of using anaesthesia for the newborns, There is no need for that to happen at all. You not liking your circumcised penis is not the argument here. the fact is, the pain goes away within an hour, it's like you hitting your head in night
@PERSIAIOS you need your head tested. Apart from subjecting another person to pain, genital mutilation destroys their sexuality. There is NO gain, ONLY damage & reducing the sexual organ from a properly working organ to one that no longer functions the way it was supposed to. No one has the right to do that to another person, not even one’s own child. It is a vile and hyper sick US practice. Genital mutilation is the non therapeutic destruction of a perfectly healthy purposeful organ.
@trident3b The penis does not work anymore if it is circumcised? Last I checked my girlfriend is pregnant with what we expect to be twins. My penis "functions" pretty well, as for your comment on it's a sick US practice, not only the US performs circumcisions. It's not mutilation, it's helping our children to not be prone to diseases jackass. You say there is no gain, only damage, I can think of about five good reasons for it, give me one "good" reason why it should not be done?
@PERSIAIOS no it no longer functions as nature intended. You can't know since yours is damaged. It is no longer a complete organ, it is devoid of 1000s of sexual nerve endings and often causes bending due to restricted skin "left over". It will serve as a reproduction device otherwise there wouldn't be many americans left. You can remove an eye and still see, but your body is no longer natural. It is mutilated. Billions of men outside the US (excluding religious idiots) are healthy.
@PERSIAIOS Yes, it is 100% mutilation! It also breaks the human rights convention to bodily integrity. It is not someone else’s organ to disfigure & cut up i.e. mutilate. Please look up the definition of mutilation. It doesn't help prevent your children from any disease what so ever. This is a lie, 100%. We in Europe indeed the world over have no problems with natural normal exquisitely properly functioning penises. The apparent diseases are american lies of massive magnitude.
@PERSIAIOS "I can think of about five good reasons for it, give me one "good" reason why it should not be done?" Let's have all your apparent reasons then. 1. The penis is 100% the property of that infant. No one has the right to mutilate that child's sexual organ disfiguring it for life as well as forcing the loss of sexual sensations. 2. The fs protects the head. Removing it renders the head(an internal organ)to being exposed all the time. The result =3. It keratinises,it dries out
@PERSIAIOS 4. The process is not reversible. That child has been rendered a sexual spastic for life, by someone else. No one has that right. 5. It should not be done for all the same reasons that NO other body part of ANOTHER person is removed, mutilated, decapitated destroyed whilst the infant is defenceless and did not ask to be mutilated. 6. The fs is fused to the head till anything from 5 to 10+ years old. Mutilation "tears off" the fused fs from the head also damaging the head.
@PERSIAIOS 7. Genital mutilation or the forced removal of the fs is non therapeutic, i.e. there was no medical condition that required this excessive damage to the penis. The infants in 99.99% of the cases are born with a fully functional sexual organ that goes through a process of maturing meaning that the specifically designed complex fs, which has 1000s of sexually dedicated nerve endings, in time folds back in absolute perfection providing protection and ecstatic sexual pleasures.
@PERSIAIOS fine. Care to be strapped down while we cut parts of your body off? We'll put you under general anaesthesia and remove, ooh let's say, one testicle (you've got 2 right? Because having 2 is "gross"). Perhaps also the left part of the head of your penis. Otherwise it looks "gross". You won't feel any pain and it will all soon be forgotten. You'll still be able to reproduce with the remains though, don't worry! And don't "bitch", since if you do we'll think you're "butthurt".
@iDoctorIL "The percentage of bad circumcision is very very low, so what's is the panic about?"
Is this meant to come as a consolation to the men who get their dick chopped off by accident? What about their parents, who have to life with the guilt that if they had left their son the way he was meant to be, this wouldn't have happened? If I were them I'd never forgive myself.
@iDoctorIL That's all good and well. You think it looks nicer, great. Not everyone agrees with you but they weren't given a choice As for being cleaner and healthier, I inferred from what you said it was done to you when you were a baby. How would you know. And do you not shower every day? Are you telling me that if you were intact, you'd be too lazy to wash your dick?
FUCK YEAH!!! I'm 26 weeks pregnant with my son and for a while now have made the decision to not circumcise my boy. Even if an anesthetic is used, the baby still feels pain in parts of the genitals because the local anesthetic injected in the area only numbs a certain nerve. But yes, like you said, pain is besides the point. It's a human rights violation to alter another's genitals for non-medical reasons.
I did see part (I couldn't finish the whole thing) of a circumsision being done on a baby boy, here on youtube. That was enough to convince me I'm NEVER doing this to my child. And yes, making it so that a child doesn't feel pain while you mutilate them, doesn't make the mutilation itself okay.
Thanks for making the video man! I am so happy for you that you have managed to change the minds of future parents! The world needs more people like you to inform misguided and vain parents on this useless act of torture. Circumcision should be against the law!
coming from a circumcised person, i don't feel like i've been mutilated in anyway and im happy that my parents chose to circumcise me. frankly i'd be pissed if they hadn't
@LatumWay agreed, but please don't call circumcision mutilation. I don't think you understand what kind of message you are sending to circumcised children who are watching this. circumcision is not disfiguring in any way. In fact the opposite in my opinion.
@BrotherAlpha You're the one who has no interest in reality, when you throw out all common sense and any studies that contradict the ill-informed, American-funded pseudo-science you constantly spew out.
@RockoMyler The New England Journal of Medicine is pseudo-science? What the fuck?
By the way, sometimes reality contradicts what is considered "common sense". This is why for hundreds of years people thought heavier objects fell faster than light ones. Then we developed the scientific method to test these things.
@BrotherAlpha The folks who conducted the study in the New England Journal of Medicine are probably much like you- they're circumcised and/or they've circumcised their children, and they have to find some way to justify it.
@RockoMyler So you are dismissing their scientific work, which been pier-reviewed, without any evidence. And then you accuse me of having no interest in reality.
@BrotherAlpha I dismiss their work because there is a strong industry in the United States based on circumcision- in the anesthetics(which are mostly not used), in the infant restraining boards, in the tools used to cut the children, and in the severed foreskins themselves, which are used in cosmetic skin creams such as TNS Recovery Complex by Skinmedica. Circumcision is a profitable business in America, and all the New England Journal did was try to uphold the status quo, ethics be damned.
@BrotherAlpha My "bias" is not wrong, and you can ask the Royal Dutch Medical Association and the Royal Australasian College of Physicians about that. Oh, and you can check the 1999 American Academy of Pediatrics statement about it, too. They all say that the supposed "medical benefit" is not enough to warrant forcing this procedure routinely. Sorry, you're cut for no good reason.
@BrotherAlpha I was merely rephrasing what those organizations said. There are no concrete medical benefits to amputating part of the genitals.
Also, the AMA's statement about leaving the "decision" up to the parents is a cop-out; the parents are not the patients here, they're not the ones who will have to live with the effects of this procedure for the rest of their lives.
@LasagnaIsGood Your opinion may very well be that it looks better (which I find odd considering the inevitable ring of scar tissue left behind etc.) but A. that is your opinion, which again, you, nor anyone else, have no right to impose on a child (and frankly, I find it interesting that people think I'm being so mean and cruel considering uncircumcised boys are constantly told that their natural, intact penises are weird and ugly looking)...
@LasagnaIsGood ...and B. When I call circumcision 'mutilation', that is because that is what it is. That is not an opinion based assertion. That is what forcibly removing a body part with no legitimate medical necessity is.
@LatumWay And when there is a legitimate medical reason? Like it has been shown in the New England Journal of Medicine and other medical journals? Would you stop using Appeal to Emotion then and actually argue with logic?
@LatumWay mutilation is defined as a disfigurement. Circumcision is not a disfigurement but an enhancement. You wouldn't call cosmetic surgery mutilation would you?
@LasagnaIsGood The 'enhancement' is totally subjective. Personally I don't see how an inch-think ring of scar tissue is particularly attractive, but if you want to do that TO YOURSELF, fine. Forcibly imposing your fucked up idea of what a 'nice-looking penis' looks like on an infant is messed the fuck up.
And btw, your entire comment is pretty much exactly the same argument Somali doctors give to justify circumcising girls. You sicken me.
@LatumWay I was never forcing my idea on anyone. And i agree circumcision on infants should be outlawed. I'm just saying its not mutilation. But whatever you can think what you want. I just consider myself lucky i was circumcised as an infant.
@LatumWay Lol sorry but i just don't think i can take you seriously anymore after the "what luck!" part. Your just afraid of people being different. You want people to conform to your standards. A true liberal.
@LatumWay You keep on avoiding the subject. I'm talking about your attitude towards circumcision in general. Your pushing your idea of natural, not considering circumcision is natural for millions of people out there. People like you are the reason circumcised men/boys are considering this ridiculous foreskin restoration procedure, thinking they are mutilated when in fact its the opposite. I agree with your stance on infant circumcision. But your senseless rants leave a bad taste in my mouth
@Nifrayu wait..wait.. so i should pretend to suffer because you consider me mutilated!? Listen, some parts of the human body aren't exactly beautiful, and I'm sure that applies exceptionally to your liberal ass, but there's no need to take out your jealousy on me. I like my circumcision and i consider it a cosmetic enhancement. If you can't accept that fine, enjoy your foreskin.
@LasagnaIsGood I don't think he's saying that you should "pretend" to do anything, but that you should acknowledge that you HAVE been damaged and that you ARE missing a body part essential for complete functioning, both of which are facts.
@RockoMyler And there you have it ladies and gentlemen, a common liberal. Relentlessly forcing your beliefs and thoughts on others when they haven't even interfered with your life at all. I have not been damaged as you say because my penis is working perfectly, and i have not lost any functioning what so ever because I enjoy sex just as much as the next guy. And let me tell you if i hadn't been circumcised as an infant i would have done it now. Does that mean i enjoy mutilating myself?!
@LasagnaIsGood I'm glad that you manage to be satisfied sexually despite being cut, and I'm not trying to tell you that you shouldn't be satisfied with your sex life; but empirically speaking, your penis is not in "perfect" condition. That you are missing a unique part of your penis is an undeniable fact, but that does not mean that you still can't enjoy yourself.
@LasagnaIsGood "so i should pretend to suffer because you consider me mutilated" Of course not! I didn't say anything like that. Where did you get that from? Are you responding to the right comment?
"applies exceptionally to your liberal ass" I am not a liberal. Again I think you are responding to the wrong comment.
"If you can't accept that fine, enjoy your foreskin." I think you are confusing me with some one else. I never claimed to be intact or otherwise. So where did this come from?
@BrotherAlpha No national or international medical association in the entire world recommends this procedure. None of them. The Royal Australasian College of Physicians and The Royal Dutch Medical Association even condemn it, citing negligible medical benefit and serious violation of children's autonomy.
@BrotherAlpha Of course, that's not even taking into account the very likely case that the men writing for the New England Journal of Medicine were cut themselves and subconsciously seeking some sort of justification for what happened to them. If people like you are any indication, it is extraordinarily more difficult to say "I'm missing something good from my penis for the rest of my life for no valid reason" than it is to say "I'm better off without it".
@BrotherAlpha Correction, no amount of scientific evidence geared to justify an unethical, permanently disfiguring practice that generates significant amount of income will change my mind because no matter what "medical benefit"(which is constantly changing with the times, might I add) that the American medical industry pulls out, it still does not justify cutting a child who has no say in the matter. Sorry.
The soft mucosa of the inner foreskin produces plasma cells,which secrete immunoglobulin antibodies,and antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as the pathogen killing enzyme called lysozyme.All of the human mucosa (the linings of the mouth,eyelids,vagina,foreskin and anus)are the body's first line of defense against disease.This benefit of the foreskin could be one possible explanation why intact men are at lower risk of chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases.
@blackman666ful "This benefit of the foreskin could be one possible explanation why intact men are at lower risk of chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases."
Citation? Because the the source I have shows the exact opposite is true. Intact men have higher rates of AIDS, for instance.
@BrotherAlpha I'm now tring to limit my exsposure to this unnatural computer radiation but let me say that human lifespan in nature was very likely to have been a lot more enjoyable,pleasant,and adventurous..37 years of thinking that life was worth living, if a primtive busy lfestyle permitted one time to think about those kind of things.I believe that it's better to live a short happy life than to live a long miserable one.Leonardo da vinci has said Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
@BrotherAlpha How could going backwards or disconnecting ourselves from nature make us more civilized.Evidence based research has proven that Americans -with all of their technology-are suffering and dying from preventable causes at an astonishingly higher rate than the Okinawans and other cultures who are more intuned to planet Earths intentions for humans.You seem like the type who preferes an orange sunkist soda over an orange or a glass of water modern man.
@blackman666ful Okinawa is in fucking Japan. They have as much technology as the United States has. So obviously it's not technology that's making the difference. So either this research is flawed, a fraud, or you don't understand what it said.
"You seem like the type who preferes an orange sunkist soda over an orange or a glass of water modern man."
Wrong again. I won't even drink fruit juice, because it's not as healthy as the actual fruit.
@BrotherAlpha I'm not sure who told you this, but how much or how little penis you have does not affect the transmission of HIV/AIDs, and I don't doubt any medical organization outside of the US will tell you the exact same thing.
@BrotherAlpha Even if the foreskin was a risk factor for HIV(which it isn't, and any ethical doctor will tell you that), that does not justify cutting infants who are not sexually active and won't be for many years. You are clearly desperate to find some justification for this when you ignore all scientific evidence to the contrary and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as using faulty arguments.
@RockoMyler "Even if the foreskin was a risk factor for HIV(which it isn't, and any ethical doctor will tell you that)..."
"You are clearly desperate to find some justification for this when you ignore all scientific evidence to the contrary and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as using faulty arguments."
@RockoMyler "that does not justify cutting infants who are not sexually active and won't be for many years."
By the way, it also reduces number of occurrences and severity of UTI, which almost exclusively happen in infants. Plus, potential side effects are much more likely and more severe when circumcision is done to adults.
@BrotherAlpha We don't treat UTIs in girls with amputation, and we should do the same for boys. Also, side effects are not much more likely or severe with adults for two reasons: 1. adults get anesthesia, babies don't, and 2. the adult penis is much larger, giving less room for mistakes such as excessive skin removal.
Alright, give me some of your "proven scientific facts", then. Because logic will tell you that the smaller the genitals being operated on are, the less precise doctors can be and the higher the chances of complications. That's why many men have extreme amounts of shaft skin removed that result in their scrotum being drawn onto the shaft during erection.
In most all civilized areas of the world, circumcision of an animal even if it is made completely painless, is ILLEGAL as "animal cruelty" and will put you behind bars for a long time. Apparently, animals are considered more significant than newborn boys. And of course, we would never do ANYTHING like that to a girl because somehow they have such a special status in our culture. Curiously, magazines such as Playboy routinely (photographically) circumcise girls. How wacked out are we?
Finally had a chance to watch the whole video (previous comment was after pausing at the beginning) - loved it. Spot on, as usual. And I have to say, it was seeing people react how you (and myself as well) do that had me delving further into circumcision while I was pregnant with my first (a year after the study you used in this video lol) - and I'm so glad I did.
I'm glad that you got a positive response from someone about your videos on circumcision - it's a great feeling, I know! During three of my four pregnancies (all boys, btw) I debated the subject of circumcision on my pregnancy board. My style is very like yours when it comes to this subject. Anyway, you get the people who say "you're too mean" and then occasionally you get the person who says, "Thanks, you helped me!" and it's those that just give you the warm fuzzies. :)
@RonBurgundy161 That's what I mean. Sorry, I suppose I should have specified. I have no problem with it as long as it's medically necessary and the man is given the chance to consent to the procedure. Sorry, I hope I didn't offend you ^^"
@RonBurgundy161 Circumcision "cures" phimosis the way toe-amputation cures ingrown toenails. Where doctors know more about the foreskin than how to cut it off, circumcision is very rare.
@RonBurgundy161 Don't bother with that guy. He's a fucking clown. I gave him a link to a video that proved one of his points wrong, and he refused to watch calling it propaganda.
@Nifrayu Well that depends entirely on the severity of your phimosis and your age. Since I'm both over the age of 18 and the form of phimosis I had was quite bad, using steroid cream would have been completely futile.
@RonBurgundy161 Well I still find it difficult to believe that phimosis cannot be cured surgically with out having to removing the foreskin outright. But I suppose at that age it is a valide course of action. A new born will not suffer from having phimosis. It should be let go until it is a problem or until the individual has a say in the matter.
@Nifrayu If you're going to attempt to cure phimosis surgically, it would obviously involve cutting some of the foreskin away, which essentially is a circumcision. It's a common misconception people believe that a circumcision is to cut the foreskin back until the glands of the penis, but it's simply cutting any of the foreskin.
Just wanted to add a comment on the whole "the boy won't remember it, so no anesthesia is necessary" crap.. A correlation I read years back equated that to date rape drugs. "If the girl (or guy) doesn't remember the rape.. then.. it shouldn't be a problem," right? Ugh.. people are so stupid.
This is a wonderful video. I've always been on the fence about circumcision, but you really helped to form my stance on circumcision. It is MUTILATION. I am however curious on your thoughts on infant ear piercing?
It is unnecessary, however, nothing is removed. I'm curious what your thoughts are on infant ear-piercing (it's quite common in the USA).
@AyashaYumi I don't think its as bad, obviously. nothing is removed, its not there to protect something, its not a sensitive sexual organ etc... But I still don't think it should be done.
@7777Hugh Huh, I guess you're right. Well, looks like we now have justification for the forced removal of the clitoral hood at infancy now, since it is homologous to the male foreskin. Good job.
Worse than pain? Boys die from circumcision. Gairdner (1949) wrote article that ended circ in UK, including history of deaths. Study in US extrapolated/interpolated Gairdner's method of calculating deaths in UK and came up with 220-230 deaths/year in US, cited by Baker in 1979. Bollinger (2010) studied hospital records to find 117 deaths/year in US. Search author's names at cirp dot org. (Bollinger 2010 not there. Message me through you tube and I'll email pdf atch.
Much more about circumcision pain at website cirp dot org. Put "circumcision pain" in search box. Link to material by googling "circumcision pain study terminated" CIRP caches many articles from medical/professional journals, a few summaries of them from cirp editors. CIRP is criticized as "anti circumcision." Material gives alternative views to the pro circumcision cabal, but is not biased. See for yourself, consider soruces. "Neutral" websites are typically pro-circumcision.
Appendectomies and hysterectomies are performed to prevent real troubles (a burst appendix causes incredible pain, and can do serious damage, for example). Additionally, they are usually performed with the consent of the patient. They are also usually performed when there is already signs of something being wrong, as opposed to doing it for the hell of it.
Earlier today, I PM'd you a circumcision video that I saved to my Genital Mutilation playlist. The mutilators did not use any pain killers, and it took several people to hold this boy in place while he was screaming and struggling to get away. I almost cried watching it, and i'm sorry I sent you the video now. It is disgusting and will piss you off. It is truly amazing how cruel and dismissive the human race can be when it comes to justifying pain in the name of some dumb ass tradition.
Thank you, Jacob, for taking on the horrible practice of legalized, violent, sexual, child abuse,against baby boys, and for specifically calling out those in the US who do it. Many of us here have been struggling against this for years, and have made a little progress, but there is much more to be done and your contributions cannot but help, especially with young people who will become parents in the near future. We hope others will join you in speaking out from across the pond.
Thanks for your critical thinking and your efforts to shed light onto this disgusting sex crime invented by religious oppressors to make obedient little slaves out of people and still perpetrated today for the same reason and also for fucking profit. They stick knives into children's genitals to fill their fucking wallets. Everybody just think about it for 5 minutes! Fucking disgusting! Down with all those sick child genital torturing shit heads and their criminal accomplices! Welcome 2012.
People from all over the world are waking up and join the Intactivist Movement. No unconstitutional law shall be obeyed or stop us from protecting our children. All Circumcisers, Preachers and Enablers of this crime are now being recorded and they will be brought to justice by the higher power of Mother Nature and the united force of child protectors and fighters of our human rights not to be tortured and mutilated in our genitals; to be loved, whole and unharmed.
Why should altering my body for bullshit reasons be a right for them? They aren't allowed--weren't allowed, rather--to beat me or starve me, so their rights aren't unlimited. They aren't allowed to tattoo babies, so why should they have the right to decide what a baby's penis looks like? That's bullshit.
Much appreciate you speaking out again on this human rights issue. Genital cutting of any child is a violent sexual assault.
Anesthetic cannot mitigate the loss (theft) of a normal and beneficial erogenous body part. Even when anaesthesia is used it wears off and the poor child pees over the sexual wound of his penis.
Circumcision of children is cruel abuse. There are no good reasons to cut off part of a child's genitals, only pathetic excuses.
@spicyxeskimo Reverse psychology won't work so well on me, I'm afraid.
There's nothing wrong with being passionate about something. But I have little control over it? Well yes that's true: I have no way of contacting my MP or campaigning on such issues. I can't engage ignorant people or write about the problem online...
"I know enough" - No, you really don't. Willful ignorance is nothing to be proud of.
Yes, they do remember it. Not consciously but the memory is there. And it is there at the very beginning of their development and forms a basis for all of their thought from that time on. It is like being given a curse to start their life out with that they can not remove.
Again I agree with you even as a circumsised man. But please don't diss Yorkshire. Just kidding. But yeah Unless there is a medical reason for someone to remvove a fairly large peice of skin from a persons body I simply don't see the point. I mean you wound't remove skin from your arm without need would you so why is it different for your penis! And there is utterly no reason to not anethatise(sp) a person while cutting through a very sensative, even at a young age, part of the body. Nice vid =)
@spicyxeskimo I'm so sorry to be wasting your time. Instead perhaps you'd like to tell me how government and health legislation in general is pointless because most of the people writing law to protect individuals will never know or meet the people who are gaining from such laws.
It is a big deal. Just because you don't know enough or understand it is not a reason to dismiss it outright.
This isn't doing anything because you don't care about it. So why are you still here?
Any pain from circumcision is short-lived, and there are some medical indications against use of anesthesia in newborns. Plus, circumcision has been with us for thousands of years and for most of those there was no option of pain meds, and indeed God commanded it be done, so there really is no need to use them.
@markmywords53 If you're Christian, Gal 5:2 "if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing". If you're Jewish there are still mitzvot N 41 Not imprinting any marks on our bodies N 45 Not making cuttings in our flesh, the tradition of gemilut chasadim, acts of loving kindness, and the prohibition on deliberately causing pain. Actually the post-operative pain from urine in the wound lasts until it heals - about a week.
Sure i can i just did, and if you said the same thing irl it would get the same response.
"most boy's arem't even born with it" ..... really? on what planet? Its not just what i'd do to my kids, its what every one else does to there's. its not about how much you mind because you'd never have know other wise. its about the simple fact that parents have no right to make this call.
i paraphrased your earlier statement to show how dumb it was
@spicyxeskimo "Smart" is not the same as knowledgeable.
Education hurts? Hence why I think you're a troll- that's a wonderfully idiotic statement.
In case you're not a troll: No, surgery can't put the skin back. Sometimes men can stretch/replace skin, but not the specialised nerves and the feeling.
It's not going to happen over YT comments, no. That's why I encouraged you to go and educate yourself elsewhere.
This isn't about me or you - it's about all the infants that are still being harmed.
Well I never even thought of this till you started talking about it first and now Im completely against it. And because of that I convinced one of my friends by showing her your videos not to do it to her child.
So basically, its not only mutilation, but it resembles the worst of torture as well (and child torture at that)? We live in a dark, fucked up world...
I was born in Wales, moved to Canada as a child. Had problems with my foreskin all the way along; when I came out and figured out I was gay and say my first cut men "up close", I knew my foreskin was doomed.
I've been circumcised 16 years now. I love it. I wish I'd had it done at birth.
But I do agree, circumcision without anesthesia is barbaric. Agree about the merits of circumcision or not, we can agree there is no reason to do it without Lidocaine and EMLA.
TheLawrenceWade 1 week ago
@TheLawrenceWade not the easiest thing in the world to drug up millions of infants a year without losing some to THAT. So we're still talking dead babies in the service of parental fear/loathing of sex.
Glad you're happy with yours; be glad you had the choice. I never had a choice. Doing this before 18 is a violation of human rights.
nfinn42 18 hours ago
it should be up to the parents end of story if you don't wanna have it done to your kid fine but if someone else wants to its no one else's business & the kids obviously don't remember the pain & this whole "they dont have the right its not their body" um they ARE the parents & they have ALL THE RIGHTS. people need to mind their fucking business & keep opinions to themselves.
theunderdoggx1 1 week ago
@theunderdoggx1 Everything you just said can be used to justify female circumcision.
LatumWay 1 week ago 3
@theunderdoggx1 you rank among the sickest people on this planet. By your rational parents could punch their babies in the face for a year or so or etch the US flag on their stomach with a razor because it was entertaining, they didn't apparently feel it & won't remember. The parents do not own the child. The child's genitals are not defect at birth & therefore a non therapeutic operation removing 1000s of sexual nerve endings is effectively a criminal act. It must be outlawed.
trident3b 1 week ago
@theunderdoggx1 read my responses to PERSIAIOS too ...
trident3b 1 week ago
@theunderdoggx1 the problem is that the child cannot do what you just did, namely say to the parents "that's my penis, I want to use it as nature had intended when I grow up, I can't stand the pain inflicted by you on me, and "mind your own fucking business" because when I am an adult I want to have everything that nature gave me, and not a keratinized dried up permanently exposed internal organ grating on clothing with the loss of masses of sensitivity I would have otherwise had
trident3b 1 week ago
@theunderdoggx1 Except that the kid's right to bodily integrity and choice is being violated. The only reason parents EVER have ANY rights over their kids is as CUSTODIANS. It is their job to *protect* their children until they're old enough to choose for themselves. Having them harmed in the name of your OWN beliefs (not theirs; an infant has none) is replacing custodial responsibility with selfish possessiveness. Your child is a person, not a plaything or a symbol or vessel of YOUR beliefs.
nfinn42 18 hours ago
as a final touch, and something that drives us non americans so mad, is that you have done something that is classic in US style of arguing; My original statement was "& reducing the sexual organ from a properly working organ to one that no longer functions the way it was supposed to" to your version of my apparent claim which is "The penis does not work anymore if it is circumcised?" One has get into discussions with americans to experience something like that.
trident3b 2 weeks ago
Circumcision inside America was very rare before the Nazis smartly uncovered most of the communist jews in their midst through inspection of the penis since the Germans also never circumcised. America has been jewish-owned ever since the 1890s so it was dictated in 1937 that American infants should all be circumcised so that jewish males could not be identified so easily. The mostly-moronic USA parents were easily coerced by their jewish masters to mutilate their male infants without debate.
AlienDominators 2 weeks ago
the topic in question apart, I love the beautiful Brit English! sounds so so good!
lookthrumyeyes 2 weeks ago
Just so everyone knows, MrJewishWarrior is almost certainly a troll, or at least trolling this page.
LatumWay 2 weeks ago
@LatumWay He probably isn't even Jewish.
TheWorstWarlock 2 weeks ago
WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE PAIN, THE KIDS DON'T REMEMBER PAIN, THERE NOT EVEN ONE YEARS OLD STOP FUCKING BITCHING CHRIST. YOU'RE ALL BUTTHURT
PERSIAIOS 3 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS So its okay to inflict pain and suffering on someone as long as they don't remember it? By that logic its okay to punch a baby in the face.
LatumWay 3 weeks ago
@LatumWay Yes it is fine plus they get many health benefits from this this is why we invented it, now stop crying about circumcision like a pathetic goy and realize we helped you untamed beasts.
MrJewishWarrior 3 weeks ago
@MrJewishWarrior The 'health benefits' argument is complete falsehood aside from being irrelevant anyway - even if it was true, it wouldn't justify infant circumcision.
And if you're looking at it from a Jewish perspective it was not 'invented' for health reasons, but as a covenant with God.
Aside from all that, I'm actually not sure if you're serious or not or just trolling, so I'll say this - I'm uncircumcised, so you haven't 'tamed' me.
LatumWay 3 weeks ago
@LatumWay Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious. Circumcision in infancy makes it 10 times less likely. Those are two benefits of circumcision. I cannot type more because of 500 character limit.
PERSIAIOS 3 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS Some kids die from circumcision. A small number all things considered, but if YOUR son was in that small statistic, how would you feel? Most of the so called problems associated with having a complete penis would be prevented by being sexually responsible and good hygiene. Anyway, surely a man has the right to decide on any aesthetic modifications? Don't fool yourself, that's why many people do it. because they think it "looks better", or just because the father is.
TheWorstWarlock 3 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS it is not 1 in 1000 it is nowhere near that high. penile cancer is rarer than male breast cancer and almost always effects men over 70 and anyway circumcised men get penile cancer at the same tiny rate as intact men.
ninjascroll6789 2 weeks ago
@MrJewishWarrior And frankly, calling me a 'beast' and a 'goy' really does very little to mark you out as a reasonable opponent. You can have your beliefs, and that's fine. But don't impose them on infants.
And certainly don't come onto my channel and hurl racial epithets at me like a fucking child.
LatumWay 3 weeks ago 2
@LatumWay You will never get rid of Circumcision, over our dead body!! You see what we did with the San Francisco bill? You underestimate the power of the Jewish community goyhead, and your videos or any attempts by the rest of you schmucks is futile, you should just move on with your life.
MrJewishWarrior 3 weeks ago
@LatumWay By the way, your whole infant rant, doubt a 30 year old guy is going to decide to get circumcised because of the pain. By circumcising an infant, it gives many health benefits, don't reply saying "no mate it's just religious." Go on google if you really want to, type in something like "reasons to get circumcised." About 10+ reasons why it is a good idea eh? Now type benefits of an uncut penis. 1. Sex feels mildly better. Not gonna matter when you get cancer of the penis mate.
PERSIAIOS 3 weeks ago
@MrJewishWarrior there are no health benefits what so ever you liar, only damage and destruction. Period. You didn't help anyone; you only damaged someone else against their will and without asking them. Thankfully it sounds like you were more than likely transformed into a sexual spastic, and given your remarks I applaud that action wholeheartedly, to make a brief exception. "Enjoy".
trident3b 2 weeks ago
@MrJewishWarrior Moses is dead, bitch. I know your kind runs Hollywood and the nigger New York. WE WILL KILL YOU PENIS SLASHER! Fuck Zionism, your kind wouldve been gassed out by cyclon-b if not for jew controlled aryans. WE WILL RAPE YOU. REPEATEDLY.
killjood666 1 week ago
@LatumWay Look, the pain is merely for an hour, at most, babies forget it even happened after they took a nap. My nephew hit himself hard in the head with a frying pan he picked up from the table after climbing the chairs (he is two). That clank was heard throughout the house, however, 30 minutes later he was running around as nothing happened. Of course punching a baby makes no sense but circumcising gives a load of benefits, google it. not like we do it to hurt babies, it helps them.
PERSIAIOS 3 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS I don't need to remember it, I can see the results of it every day. In any case, the fact that they won't remember it is a flawed argument A) because it's not good enough, and B) some people, like Muslims, do this to their kids when they're about 10.
TheWorstWarlock 2 weeks ago
@TheWorstWarlock I was never talking about Muslims to begin with. How is the fact that they will not remember not good enough? The pain lasts for literally an hour, on the car ride home there either sleeping or laughing. This video was on the fact of using anaesthesia for the newborns, There is no need for that to happen at all. You not liking your circumcised penis is not the argument here. the fact is, the pain goes away within an hour, it's like you hitting your head in night
PERSIAIOS 2 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS you need your head tested. Apart from subjecting another person to pain, genital mutilation destroys their sexuality. There is NO gain, ONLY damage & reducing the sexual organ from a properly working organ to one that no longer functions the way it was supposed to. No one has the right to do that to another person, not even one’s own child. It is a vile and hyper sick US practice. Genital mutilation is the non therapeutic destruction of a perfectly healthy purposeful organ.
trident3b 2 weeks ago
@trident3b The penis does not work anymore if it is circumcised? Last I checked my girlfriend is pregnant with what we expect to be twins. My penis "functions" pretty well, as for your comment on it's a sick US practice, not only the US performs circumcisions. It's not mutilation, it's helping our children to not be prone to diseases jackass. You say there is no gain, only damage, I can think of about five good reasons for it, give me one "good" reason why it should not be done?
PERSIAIOS 2 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS no it no longer functions as nature intended. You can't know since yours is damaged. It is no longer a complete organ, it is devoid of 1000s of sexual nerve endings and often causes bending due to restricted skin "left over". It will serve as a reproduction device otherwise there wouldn't be many americans left. You can remove an eye and still see, but your body is no longer natural. It is mutilated. Billions of men outside the US (excluding religious idiots) are healthy.
trident3b 2 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS Yes, it is 100% mutilation! It also breaks the human rights convention to bodily integrity. It is not someone else’s organ to disfigure & cut up i.e. mutilate. Please look up the definition of mutilation. It doesn't help prevent your children from any disease what so ever. This is a lie, 100%. We in Europe indeed the world over have no problems with natural normal exquisitely properly functioning penises. The apparent diseases are american lies of massive magnitude.
trident3b 2 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS "I can think of about five good reasons for it, give me one "good" reason why it should not be done?" Let's have all your apparent reasons then. 1. The penis is 100% the property of that infant. No one has the right to mutilate that child's sexual organ disfiguring it for life as well as forcing the loss of sexual sensations. 2. The fs protects the head. Removing it renders the head(an internal organ)to being exposed all the time. The result =3. It keratinises,it dries out
trident3b 2 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS 4. The process is not reversible. That child has been rendered a sexual spastic for life, by someone else. No one has that right. 5. It should not be done for all the same reasons that NO other body part of ANOTHER person is removed, mutilated, decapitated destroyed whilst the infant is defenceless and did not ask to be mutilated. 6. The fs is fused to the head till anything from 5 to 10+ years old. Mutilation "tears off" the fused fs from the head also damaging the head.
trident3b 2 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS 7. Genital mutilation or the forced removal of the fs is non therapeutic, i.e. there was no medical condition that required this excessive damage to the penis. The infants in 99.99% of the cases are born with a fully functional sexual organ that goes through a process of maturing meaning that the specifically designed complex fs, which has 1000s of sexually dedicated nerve endings, in time folds back in absolute perfection providing protection and ecstatic sexual pleasures.
trident3b 2 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS ... how many more reasons do you want?
trident3b 2 weeks ago
@PERSIAIOS fine. Care to be strapped down while we cut parts of your body off? We'll put you under general anaesthesia and remove, ooh let's say, one testicle (you've got 2 right? Because having 2 is "gross"). Perhaps also the left part of the head of your penis. Otherwise it looks "gross". You won't feel any pain and it will all soon be forgotten. You'll still be able to reproduce with the remains though, don't worry! And don't "bitch", since if you do we'll think you're "butthurt".
trident3b 2 weeks ago
@iDoctorIL "The percentage of bad circumcision is very very low, so what's is the panic about?"
Is this meant to come as a consolation to the men who get their dick chopped off by accident? What about their parents, who have to life with the guilt that if they had left their son the way he was meant to be, this wouldn't have happened? If I were them I'd never forgive myself.
TheWorstWarlock 1 month ago
@iDoctorIL That's all good and well. You think it looks nicer, great. Not everyone agrees with you but they weren't given a choice As for being cleaner and healthier, I inferred from what you said it was done to you when you were a baby. How would you know. And do you not shower every day? Are you telling me that if you were intact, you'd be too lazy to wash your dick?
TheWorstWarlock 1 month ago
@TheWorstWarlock Goys are too stupid to wash properly trust me this simple cut makes things so much easier for you.
MrJewishWarrior 3 weeks ago
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TheWorstWarlock 3 weeks ago
@MrJewishWarrior Keep your primitive customs, troll. While you're slicing things, cut your nuts off, too.
TheWorstWarlock 3 weeks ago
Check out nocirc.org to find more of the truth (laws) about this barbaric tradition.
luvtheearth1 1 month ago
FUCK YEAH!!! I'm 26 weeks pregnant with my son and for a while now have made the decision to not circumcise my boy. Even if an anesthetic is used, the baby still feels pain in parts of the genitals because the local anesthetic injected in the area only numbs a certain nerve. But yes, like you said, pain is besides the point. It's a human rights violation to alter another's genitals for non-medical reasons.
luvtheearth1 1 month ago
I did see part (I couldn't finish the whole thing) of a circumsision being done on a baby boy, here on youtube. That was enough to convince me I'm NEVER doing this to my child. And yes, making it so that a child doesn't feel pain while you mutilate them, doesn't make the mutilation itself okay.
syllvor 2 months ago
Thanks for making the video man! I am so happy for you that you have managed to change the minds of future parents! The world needs more people like you to inform misguided and vain parents on this useless act of torture. Circumcision should be against the law!
Brilliantatheist 3 months ago
coming from a circumcised person, i don't feel like i've been mutilated in anyway and im happy that my parents chose to circumcise me. frankly i'd be pissed if they hadn't
LasagnaIsGood 4 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood Good for you, but that was your choice to make, not their's. Imposing that belief on a newborn baby is sick.
LatumWay 4 months ago
@LatumWay agreed, but please don't call circumcision mutilation. I don't think you understand what kind of message you are sending to circumcised children who are watching this. circumcision is not disfiguring in any way. In fact the opposite in my opinion.
LasagnaIsGood 4 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood I agree with you 100%. But when it comes to circumcision, LatumWay clearly has no interest in reality.
BrotherAlpha 4 months ago
@BrotherAlpha You're the one who has no interest in reality, when you throw out all common sense and any studies that contradict the ill-informed, American-funded pseudo-science you constantly spew out.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@RockoMyler The New England Journal of Medicine is pseudo-science? What the fuck?
By the way, sometimes reality contradicts what is considered "common sense". This is why for hundreds of years people thought heavier objects fell faster than light ones. Then we developed the scientific method to test these things.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha The folks who conducted the study in the New England Journal of Medicine are probably much like you- they're circumcised and/or they've circumcised their children, and they have to find some way to justify it.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@RockoMyler So you are dismissing their scientific work, which been pier-reviewed, without any evidence. And then you accuse me of having no interest in reality.
That's called projection.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha I dismiss their work because there is a strong industry in the United States based on circumcision- in the anesthetics(which are mostly not used), in the infant restraining boards, in the tools used to cut the children, and in the severed foreskins themselves, which are used in cosmetic skin creams such as TNS Recovery Complex by Skinmedica. Circumcision is a profitable business in America, and all the New England Journal did was try to uphold the status quo, ethics be damned.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@RockoMyler "...and all the New England Journal did was try to uphold the status quo, ethics be damned."
You have ZERO evidence to back that up. None. YOUR bias is contradicted by testable, repeatable science. That means YOUR BIAS is wrong.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha My "bias" is not wrong, and you can ask the Royal Dutch Medical Association and the Royal Australasian College of Physicians about that. Oh, and you can check the 1999 American Academy of Pediatrics statement about it, too. They all say that the supposed "medical benefit" is not enough to warrant forcing this procedure routinely. Sorry, you're cut for no good reason.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@RockoMyler "They all say that the supposed "medical benefit" is not enough..."
Wait a minute. You said there was no medical benefit. Now you are saying your sources says there is. Interesting. Did you lie before?
"...to warrant forcing this procedure routinely."
Which is why the AMA says it should be left up to the choice of the parents.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha I was merely rephrasing what those organizations said. There are no concrete medical benefits to amputating part of the genitals.
Also, the AMA's statement about leaving the "decision" up to the parents is a cop-out; the parents are not the patients here, they're not the ones who will have to live with the effects of this procedure for the rest of their lives.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood Your opinion may very well be that it looks better (which I find odd considering the inevitable ring of scar tissue left behind etc.) but A. that is your opinion, which again, you, nor anyone else, have no right to impose on a child (and frankly, I find it interesting that people think I'm being so mean and cruel considering uncircumcised boys are constantly told that their natural, intact penises are weird and ugly looking)...
LatumWay 4 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood ...and B. When I call circumcision 'mutilation', that is because that is what it is. That is not an opinion based assertion. That is what forcibly removing a body part with no legitimate medical necessity is.
LatumWay 4 months ago
@LatumWay And when there is a legitimate medical reason? Like it has been shown in the New England Journal of Medicine and other medical journals? Would you stop using Appeal to Emotion then and actually argue with logic?
BrotherAlpha 4 months ago
@LatumWay mutilation is defined as a disfigurement. Circumcision is not a disfigurement but an enhancement. You wouldn't call cosmetic surgery mutilation would you?
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood The 'enhancement' is totally subjective. Personally I don't see how an inch-think ring of scar tissue is particularly attractive, but if you want to do that TO YOURSELF, fine. Forcibly imposing your fucked up idea of what a 'nice-looking penis' looks like on an infant is messed the fuck up.
And btw, your entire comment is pretty much exactly the same argument Somali doctors give to justify circumcising girls. You sicken me.
LatumWay 3 months ago
@LatumWay I was never forcing my idea on anyone. And i agree circumcision on infants should be outlawed. I'm just saying its not mutilation. But whatever you can think what you want. I just consider myself lucky i was circumcised as an infant.
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood It is mutilation. Thats not an opinion. If you feel lucky, great. Good for you. What luck!
Don't do it to your child.
LatumWay 3 months ago
@LatumWay awwww, your only jealous. ; ) It's cool i won't look down on you or anything.
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood "awwww, your only jealous. ; ) It's cool i won't look down on you or anything."
In other words - "I have lost this argument."
Later.
LatumWay 3 months ago
@LatumWay Lol sorry but i just don't think i can take you seriously anymore after the "what luck!" part. Your just afraid of people being different. You want people to conform to your standards. A true liberal.
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood No, I don't want kids to be needlessly mutiliated. I true human being.
LatumWay 3 months ago
@LatumWay You keep on avoiding the subject. I'm talking about your attitude towards circumcision in general. Your pushing your idea of natural, not considering circumcision is natural for millions of people out there. People like you are the reason circumcised men/boys are considering this ridiculous foreskin restoration procedure, thinking they are mutilated when in fact its the opposite. I agree with your stance on infant circumcision. But your senseless rants leave a bad taste in my mouth
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood "thinking they are mutilated when in fact its the opposite."
You are in complete denial if you don't realize that the unnecessary removal of healthy tissue is mutilation.
Nifrayu 3 months ago
@Nifrayu wait..wait.. so i should pretend to suffer because you consider me mutilated!? Listen, some parts of the human body aren't exactly beautiful, and I'm sure that applies exceptionally to your liberal ass, but there's no need to take out your jealousy on me. I like my circumcision and i consider it a cosmetic enhancement. If you can't accept that fine, enjoy your foreskin.
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood I don't think he's saying that you should "pretend" to do anything, but that you should acknowledge that you HAVE been damaged and that you ARE missing a body part essential for complete functioning, both of which are facts.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@RockoMyler And there you have it ladies and gentlemen, a common liberal. Relentlessly forcing your beliefs and thoughts on others when they haven't even interfered with your life at all. I have not been damaged as you say because my penis is working perfectly, and i have not lost any functioning what so ever because I enjoy sex just as much as the next guy. And let me tell you if i hadn't been circumcised as an infant i would have done it now. Does that mean i enjoy mutilating myself?!
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood I'm glad that you manage to be satisfied sexually despite being cut, and I'm not trying to tell you that you shouldn't be satisfied with your sex life; but empirically speaking, your penis is not in "perfect" condition. That you are missing a unique part of your penis is an undeniable fact, but that does not mean that you still can't enjoy yourself.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood "so i should pretend to suffer because you consider me mutilated" Of course not! I didn't say anything like that. Where did you get that from? Are you responding to the right comment?
"applies exceptionally to your liberal ass" I am not a liberal. Again I think you are responding to the wrong comment.
"If you can't accept that fine, enjoy your foreskin." I think you are confusing me with some one else. I never claimed to be intact or otherwise. So where did this come from?
Nifrayu 3 months ago
@LatumWay "In other words - 'I have lost this argument.'"
That's rich coming from you. After you spout a series of bad analogies and appeals to emotion, you ran away from me.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@LatumWay "And btw, your entire comment is pretty much exactly the same argument Somali doctors give to justify circumcising girls. You sicken me."
You know what sickens me? Fucking assholes like you who can't get through a debate without appeal to emotions and faulty analogies.
By the way, that's not the argument given for female genital mutilation.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha We've given you much more than appeals to emotion and analogies and you ignore them.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@RockoMyler Really? When? Was that when you were calling the New England Journal of Medicine biased with ZERO evidence?
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha No national or international medical association in the entire world recommends this procedure. None of them. The Royal Australasian College of Physicians and The Royal Dutch Medical Association even condemn it, citing negligible medical benefit and serious violation of children's autonomy.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha Of course, that's not even taking into account the very likely case that the men writing for the New England Journal of Medicine were cut themselves and subconsciously seeking some sort of justification for what happened to them. If people like you are any indication, it is extraordinarily more difficult to say "I'm missing something good from my penis for the rest of my life for no valid reason" than it is to say "I'm better off without it".
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@RockoMyler Translation: "No amount of scientific research will change my mind."
You are a brainwashed cretin.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha Correction, no amount of scientific evidence geared to justify an unethical, permanently disfiguring practice that generates significant amount of income will change my mind because no matter what "medical benefit"(which is constantly changing with the times, might I add) that the American medical industry pulls out, it still does not justify cutting a child who has no say in the matter. Sorry.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
The soft mucosa of the inner foreskin produces plasma cells,which secrete immunoglobulin antibodies,and antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as the pathogen killing enzyme called lysozyme.All of the human mucosa (the linings of the mouth,eyelids,vagina,foreskin and anus)are the body's first line of defense against disease.This benefit of the foreskin could be one possible explanation why intact men are at lower risk of chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases.
blackman666ful 4 months ago
@blackman666ful "This benefit of the foreskin could be one possible explanation why intact men are at lower risk of chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases."
Citation? Because the the source I have shows the exact opposite is true. Intact men have higher rates of AIDS, for instance.
BrotherAlpha 4 months ago
@BrotherAlpha First off I don't believe in AIDS but that is another topic...Put it this way, nature knows best.
blackman666ful 4 months ago
@blackman666ful So you are a fucking loon. We've seen the HIV virus.
"...nature knows best."
And in nature, the human lifespan is about 37 years long. Science and technology have improved on technology.
By the way, I noticed you didn't give a citations for your claim about chlamydia.
BrotherAlpha 4 months ago
@BrotherAlpha I'm now tring to limit my exsposure to this unnatural computer radiation but let me say that human lifespan in nature was very likely to have been a lot more enjoyable,pleasant,and adventurous..37 years of thinking that life was worth living, if a primtive busy lfestyle permitted one time to think about those kind of things.I believe that it's better to live a short happy life than to live a long miserable one.Leonardo da vinci has said Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
blackman666ful 4 months ago
@blackman666ful And living 74 years thinking that life was worth living is better than living 37 years of pain, suffering, and disease.
You are a fucking idiot.
BrotherAlpha 4 months ago
@BrotherAlpha How could going backwards or disconnecting ourselves from nature make us more civilized.Evidence based research has proven that Americans -with all of their technology-are suffering and dying from preventable causes at an astonishingly higher rate than the Okinawans and other cultures who are more intuned to planet Earths intentions for humans.You seem like the type who preferes an orange sunkist soda over an orange or a glass of water modern man.
blackman666ful 4 months ago
@blackman666ful Okinawa is in fucking Japan. They have as much technology as the United States has. So obviously it's not technology that's making the difference. So either this research is flawed, a fraud, or you don't understand what it said.
"You seem like the type who preferes an orange sunkist soda over an orange or a glass of water modern man."
Wrong again. I won't even drink fruit juice, because it's not as healthy as the actual fruit.
BrotherAlpha 4 months ago
@BrotherAlpha I'm not sure who told you this, but how much or how little penis you have does not affect the transmission of HIV/AIDs, and I don't doubt any medical organization outside of the US will tell you the exact same thing.
RockoMyler 4 months ago
@RockoMyler "I'm not sure who told you this..."
A medical journal called AIDS had a story about it in 2009 and in 2010.
Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med had a story about in in 2010.
New England Journal of Medicine had a story about HPV in 2009.
"but how much or how little penis you have does not affect the transmission of HIV/AIDs"
It's not how much you have, it is the type of cells that are present in the foreskin and its structure.
BrotherAlpha 4 months ago
@BrotherAlpha Even if the foreskin was a risk factor for HIV(which it isn't, and any ethical doctor will tell you that), that does not justify cutting infants who are not sexually active and won't be for many years. You are clearly desperate to find some justification for this when you ignore all scientific evidence to the contrary and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as using faulty arguments.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
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@RockoMyler "Even if the foreskin was a risk factor for HIV(which it isn't, and any ethical doctor will tell you that)..."
"You are clearly desperate to find some justification for this when you ignore all scientific evidence to the contrary and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as using faulty arguments."
This is textbook projection.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@RockoMyler "that does not justify cutting infants who are not sexually active and won't be for many years."
By the way, it also reduces number of occurrences and severity of UTI, which almost exclusively happen in infants. Plus, potential side effects are much more likely and more severe when circumcision is done to adults.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha We don't treat UTIs in girls with amputation, and we should do the same for boys. Also, side effects are not much more likely or severe with adults for two reasons: 1. adults get anesthesia, babies don't, and 2. the adult penis is much larger, giving less room for mistakes such as excessive skin removal.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@RockoMyler "We don't treat UTIs in girls with amputation..."
False Analogy.
"Also, side effects are not much more likely or severe with adults..."
Yes they are. This is a proven scientific fact. If you don't accept reality, please FOAD.
BrotherAlpha 3 months ago
@BrotherAlpha "False Analogy."
How so?
"This is a proven scientific fact."
Alright, give me some of your "proven scientific facts", then. Because logic will tell you that the smaller the genitals being operated on are, the less precise doctors can be and the higher the chances of complications. That's why many men have extreme amounts of shaft skin removed that result in their scrotum being drawn onto the shaft during erection.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
In most all civilized areas of the world, circumcision of an animal even if it is made completely painless, is ILLEGAL as "animal cruelty" and will put you behind bars for a long time. Apparently, animals are considered more significant than newborn boys. And of course, we would never do ANYTHING like that to a girl because somehow they have such a special status in our culture. Curiously, magazines such as Playboy routinely (photographically) circumcise girls. How wacked out are we?
lochinvar00465 4 months ago
Finally had a chance to watch the whole video (previous comment was after pausing at the beginning) - loved it. Spot on, as usual. And I have to say, it was seeing people react how you (and myself as well) do that had me delving further into circumcision while I was pregnant with my first (a year after the study you used in this video lol) - and I'm so glad I did.
harsanity 5 months ago
I'm glad that you got a positive response from someone about your videos on circumcision - it's a great feeling, I know! During three of my four pregnancies (all boys, btw) I debated the subject of circumcision on my pregnancy board. My style is very like yours when it comes to this subject. Anyway, you get the people who say "you're too mean" and then occasionally you get the person who says, "Thanks, you helped me!" and it's those that just give you the warm fuzzies. :)
harsanity 5 months ago
thanks for adding the "non medical" part at the end, good that you clarified it, as i had to have it for medical reasons.
arhoptt 5 months ago
saw an ad here
nathanbaby1000 5 months ago
Seriously, how the hell do people not realize how awful this procedure is?!
GinnyStoleMyMan 5 months ago
@GinnyStoleMyMan How is it awful? It cured me of my phimosis. On the other hand, infant circumcision is completely wrong.
RonBurgundy161 4 months ago
@RonBurgundy161 That's what I mean. Sorry, I suppose I should have specified. I have no problem with it as long as it's medically necessary and the man is given the chance to consent to the procedure. Sorry, I hope I didn't offend you ^^"
GinnyStoleMyMan 4 months ago
@RonBurgundy161 Circumcision "cures" phimosis the way toe-amputation cures ingrown toenails. Where doctors know more about the foreskin than how to cut it off, circumcision is very rare.
7777Hugh 4 months ago
@7777Hugh That's such a horrible analogy. What other choice did I have to cure my phimosis?
RonBurgundy161 4 months ago
@RonBurgundy161 Don't bother with that guy. He's a fucking clown. I gave him a link to a video that proved one of his points wrong, and he refused to watch calling it propaganda.
BrotherAlpha 4 months ago
@RonBurgundy161 "What other choice did I have to cure my phimosis?" Steroid cream...?
Nifrayu 4 months ago
@Nifrayu Well that depends entirely on the severity of your phimosis and your age. Since I'm both over the age of 18 and the form of phimosis I had was quite bad, using steroid cream would have been completely futile.
RonBurgundy161 4 months ago
@RonBurgundy161 Well I still find it difficult to believe that phimosis cannot be cured surgically with out having to removing the foreskin outright. But I suppose at that age it is a valide course of action. A new born will not suffer from having phimosis. It should be let go until it is a problem or until the individual has a say in the matter.
Nifrayu 4 months ago
@Nifrayu If you're going to attempt to cure phimosis surgically, it would obviously involve cutting some of the foreskin away, which essentially is a circumcision. It's a common misconception people believe that a circumcision is to cut the foreskin back until the glands of the penis, but it's simply cutting any of the foreskin.
RonBurgundy161 4 months ago
@RonBurgundy161 That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Nifrayu 4 months ago
@RonBurgundy161 Strange- that sounds like you had a dorsal slit rather than a circumcision.
RockoMyler 3 months ago
@RonBurgundy161 No there are operations such as "Z-plasty" that can widen the opening without removing any tissue.
7777Hugh 3 months ago
I assume this is why doctors never use anesthetics on patients with Alzheimer's.
Stephen5000 5 months ago in playlist More videos from LatumWay
Just wanted to add a comment on the whole "the boy won't remember it, so no anesthesia is necessary" crap.. A correlation I read years back equated that to date rape drugs. "If the girl (or guy) doesn't remember the rape.. then.. it shouldn't be a problem," right? Ugh.. people are so stupid.
levans71 5 months ago
not having the foreskin IS pain.
gingowitch 5 months ago
This is a wonderful video. I've always been on the fence about circumcision, but you really helped to form my stance on circumcision. It is MUTILATION. I am however curious on your thoughts on infant ear piercing?
It is unnecessary, however, nothing is removed. I'm curious what your thoughts are on infant ear-piercing (it's quite common in the USA).
AyashaYumi 5 months ago 4
@AyashaYumi I don't think its as bad, obviously. nothing is removed, its not there to protect something, its not a sensitive sexual organ etc... But I still don't think it should be done.
LatumWay 5 months ago
@LatumWay "its not a sensitive sexual organ" you cant be more wrong man, I tell you as an intact man
LethalDozePL 4 months ago
@LethalDozePL I was referring to ear-lobes in that comment.
LatumWay 4 months ago
@LatumWay Well some people find stimulation of their earlobes to be very erotic too. Maybe that's their biological function.
7777Hugh 3 months ago
@7777Hugh Huh, I guess you're right. Well, looks like we now have justification for the forced removal of the clitoral hood at infancy now, since it is homologous to the male foreskin. Good job.
LatumWay 3 months ago
Worse than pain? Boys die from circumcision. Gairdner (1949) wrote article that ended circ in UK, including history of deaths. Study in US extrapolated/interpolated Gairdner's method of calculating deaths in UK and came up with 220-230 deaths/year in US, cited by Baker in 1979. Bollinger (2010) studied hospital records to find 117 deaths/year in US. Search author's names at cirp dot org. (Bollinger 2010 not there. Message me through you tube and I'll email pdf atch.
Ricardo1961D 5 months ago
Much more about circumcision pain at website cirp dot org. Put "circumcision pain" in search box. Link to material by googling "circumcision pain study terminated" CIRP caches many articles from medical/professional journals, a few summaries of them from cirp editors. CIRP is criticized as "anti circumcision." Material gives alternative views to the pro circumcision cabal, but is not biased. See for yourself, consider soruces. "Neutral" websites are typically pro-circumcision.
Ricardo1961D 5 months ago
@Duskofdead
Appendectomies and hysterectomies are performed to prevent real troubles (a burst appendix causes incredible pain, and can do serious damage, for example). Additionally, they are usually performed with the consent of the patient. They are also usually performed when there is already signs of something being wrong, as opposed to doing it for the hell of it.
krytorii 5 months ago
A group of 5 Muslims and Jews hate this video.
kampaneon9 5 months ago
As a circumcised guy myself, I can only tell you this: BAN this barbaric practice, it's 100% lame, BS and USELESS!!!
Jow45metal 5 months ago
A study just out finds that babies can feel pain from about 2 weeks before birth.
7777Hugh 5 months ago
@7777Hugh Link?
LatumWay 5 months ago 2
@LatumWay google d0t com / hostednews / ukpress / article / ALeqM5iCygzbMEz2hL2O7ump3ejdkq_tVQ?docId=N0272121315492211923A
7777Hugh 5 months ago
Earlier today, I PM'd you a circumcision video that I saved to my Genital Mutilation playlist. The mutilators did not use any pain killers, and it took several people to hold this boy in place while he was screaming and struggling to get away. I almost cried watching it, and i'm sorry I sent you the video now. It is disgusting and will piss you off. It is truly amazing how cruel and dismissive the human race can be when it comes to justifying pain in the name of some dumb ass tradition.
Lisa3679 5 months ago
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Lisa3679 5 months ago
Thank you, Jacob, for taking on the horrible practice of legalized, violent, sexual, child abuse,against baby boys, and for specifically calling out those in the US who do it. Many of us here have been struggling against this for years, and have made a little progress, but there is much more to be done and your contributions cannot but help, especially with young people who will become parents in the near future. We hope others will join you in speaking out from across the pond.
Ricardo1961D 5 months ago
Thanks for your critical thinking and your efforts to shed light onto this disgusting sex crime invented by religious oppressors to make obedient little slaves out of people and still perpetrated today for the same reason and also for fucking profit. They stick knives into children's genitals to fill their fucking wallets. Everybody just think about it for 5 minutes! Fucking disgusting! Down with all those sick child genital torturing shit heads and their criminal accomplices! Welcome 2012.
MichaelWarriorOfLove 5 months ago
People from all over the world are waking up and join the Intactivist Movement. No unconstitutional law shall be obeyed or stop us from protecting our children. All Circumcisers, Preachers and Enablers of this crime are now being recorded and they will be brought to justice by the higher power of Mother Nature and the united force of child protectors and fighters of our human rights not to be tortured and mutilated in our genitals; to be loved, whole and unharmed.
MichaelWarriorOfLove 5 months ago
how do you feel about having morman ads in front of your videos?
Ninjaculation 5 months ago
i see ads on all your new videos :)
JamieD262 5 months ago
I see some adds on this video
CyborgAtheist 5 months ago in playlist More videos from LatumWay
@spicyxeskimo
Why should altering my body for bullshit reasons be a right for them? They aren't allowed--weren't allowed, rather--to beat me or starve me, so their rights aren't unlimited. They aren't allowed to tattoo babies, so why should they have the right to decide what a baby's penis looks like? That's bullshit.
ThirdRAILKink 5 months ago
Much appreciate you speaking out again on this human rights issue. Genital cutting of any child is a violent sexual assault.
Anesthetic cannot mitigate the loss (theft) of a normal and beneficial erogenous body part. Even when anaesthesia is used it wears off and the poor child pees over the sexual wound of his penis.
Circumcision of children is cruel abuse. There are no good reasons to cut off part of a child's genitals, only pathetic excuses.
Bonobo3D 5 months ago 18
@spicyxeskimo Reverse psychology won't work so well on me, I'm afraid.
There's nothing wrong with being passionate about something. But I have little control over it? Well yes that's true: I have no way of contacting my MP or campaigning on such issues. I can't engage ignorant people or write about the problem online...
"I know enough" - No, you really don't. Willful ignorance is nothing to be proud of.
Widgetas 5 months ago
Yes, they do remember it. Not consciously but the memory is there. And it is there at the very beginning of their development and forms a basis for all of their thought from that time on. It is like being given a curse to start their life out with that they can not remove.
lochinvar00465 5 months ago
@lochinvar00465 Taddio et al. found that circumcised babies reacted differently to the pain of vaccination, months later.
7777Hugh 5 months ago
Again I agree with you even as a circumsised man. But please don't diss Yorkshire. Just kidding. But yeah Unless there is a medical reason for someone to remvove a fairly large peice of skin from a persons body I simply don't see the point. I mean you wound't remove skin from your arm without need would you so why is it different for your penis! And there is utterly no reason to not anethatise(sp) a person while cutting through a very sensative, even at a young age, part of the body. Nice vid =)
TrickerAndy 5 months ago
@spicyxeskimo I'm so sorry to be wasting your time. Instead perhaps you'd like to tell me how government and health legislation in general is pointless because most of the people writing law to protect individuals will never know or meet the people who are gaining from such laws.
It is a big deal. Just because you don't know enough or understand it is not a reason to dismiss it outright.
This isn't doing anything because you don't care about it. So why are you still here?
Widgetas 5 months ago
Any pain from circumcision is short-lived, and there are some medical indications against use of anesthesia in newborns. Plus, circumcision has been with us for thousands of years and for most of those there was no option of pain meds, and indeed God commanded it be done, so there really is no need to use them.
markmywords53 5 months ago
@markmywords53 What an ignorant and disgusting comment.
LatumWay 5 months ago
@markmywords53 "indeed God commanded it be done" Any god that commands parents to harm their children is a cruel god.
Nifrayu 5 months ago 13
@Nifrayu Or a counterfeit God contrived by cruel men.
endofscene 5 months ago
@markmywords53 If you're Christian, Gal 5:2 "if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing". If you're Jewish there are still mitzvot N 41 Not imprinting any marks on our bodies N 45 Not making cuttings in our flesh, the tradition of gemilut chasadim, acts of loving kindness, and the prohibition on deliberately causing pain. Actually the post-operative pain from urine in the wound lasts until it heals - about a week.
7777Hugh 5 months ago
@spicyxeskimo
Sure i can i just did, and if you said the same thing irl it would get the same response.
"most boy's arem't even born with it" ..... really? on what planet? Its not just what i'd do to my kids, its what every one else does to there's. its not about how much you mind because you'd never have know other wise. its about the simple fact that parents have no right to make this call.
i paraphrased your earlier statement to show how dumb it was
liesandtricks 5 months ago
@spicyxeskimo My bad. I read it as "Too much education hurts." Sorry about that.
But still. You don't know much about this subject and yet you're very sure that circ is A-ok.
And I already said I'm intact. Outside the US circ is rare in the Western world.
"I don't care about fucking infants because I don't know them." - Wow. I don't believe you don't have any empathy.
"Actually do something, maybe?" - Er, I do! Amongst other things I try and educate people. Like you.
Widgetas 5 months ago
I think people look better with their arms and legs cut off, so if I have any kids, I'm going to have their limbs amputated.
PluralOfEverything 5 months ago
@spicyxeskimo "Smart" is not the same as knowledgeable.
Education hurts? Hence why I think you're a troll- that's a wonderfully idiotic statement.
In case you're not a troll: No, surgery can't put the skin back. Sometimes men can stretch/replace skin, but not the specialised nerves and the feeling.
It's not going to happen over YT comments, no. That's why I encouraged you to go and educate yourself elsewhere.
This isn't about me or you - it's about all the infants that are still being harmed.
Widgetas 5 months ago
Well I never even thought of this till you started talking about it first and now Im completely against it. And because of that I convinced one of my friends by showing her your videos not to do it to her child.
IsThatEtchas 5 months ago
So basically, its not only mutilation, but it resembles the worst of torture as well (and child torture at that)? We live in a dark, fucked up world...
niriop 5 months ago