children nowadays are so dependent on calculator that they don't even know how to add, subtract, divide and multiply without it. Abacus is definitely a good tool to foster such learning.
This is what I call, "child pornography". destroying their joy for life, loading their backpacks with kgs of books, and homework and having them burn their lives 8 hours a day learning completely useless things such as in what year Napoleo was born, what battles he won, how many verses a sonete has. I will never send my child to school, I can teach him myself all the needed things in less than one year.
@dontbullshitus just teach him that wood chopping and cabin buildnin n keep those page boxes out of his sight aint no page box readining in our house!
Can someone PLEASE tell me what to do if like there is 9 beads (the bead at the top and the rest at the bottom) and you have to add like 9 do you move to the next column after you get to 9 again (in that one column)??
@lihnlihn I believe it would. I'm just learning too and use a Chinese Abacus, which has more beads then Japanese one, but my book says to add 10 and subtract when you are out of beads.
@Tam3447 Does it work for you when add like that?? when i tried I came up with a weird answer or maybe im doing it wrong cuzz i would believe the book rather than me xD ???
when i was in elementary school in Mexico my teacher used to encourage me to use the abacus but then i came to the US and it was all about calculators... that's probably why i freaking suck at math...i regret not following my teacher's advice...
The good thing with abacus they significantly help train your mental arithmatics. I feel that doing the usual numeracy stuff on a abacus is more powerful and natural as oppose to electronic calculators. Its a shame I've only just come to the point that this is more realistic in primary and high school where young people should get a head start wth mathematics without the use of calculators here in the UK
On top of that calculators are ILLEGAL in Japan, China and Spain and I admire countries like that! Its no wonder mathematics are so downgraded in the west in primary and high school education makes us British looks like shit compare to them. I don't agree using an abacus is 'old fashion' tool and all, it is traditionally good for our brains! Ask yourself why millionaires 'live longer'? They use their brains 24-7 around the clock!
@Molterno you're the dumb fuck - I meant in Japan calculators are illegal from primary to high school. I know millionaires live longer because they use their brains most of the time. How is it not using calculators is physical and using calculators is physical? Get your thinking sorted out before you write!
Are you saying there's any studies done on this subject? If so, please link it, if not stop insulting mindlessly. Also you should have been clear from the start about the non-allowed (not illegal) calculators.
@Molterno Its the way you put it. No you're the one insulting mindlessly so I kick you back. Well there are other ways write things to emphasize a solid explanation, I may have said "illegal" but you took that literately. Its not "non-allowed" its "not allowed" or "prohibited".
Just realized a written mistake - "using calculators is not* physical?"
Why do you come back if all you got left is to comment on my bad english? You started by degrading us westerners because we use modern equipment (makes no sense?).
ps. where is that study on millionaires living longer and the reason+proof being that they think more than an average person?
@Molterno His original statement was intended as criticism of the US educational system, not as an insult to US citizens in general. Your comment of "wtf are you smoking" caught him off-guard and elicited a defensive response. He wasn't commenting on your 'bad English' but rather your uncalled-for opening insult.
@Molterno For a study on why wealthier people live longer (access to top end health care and superior nutrition) Google "publichealth lacount epi". It's the first result. I would have just pasted the link but YouTube doesn't allow URLs. We can thank spammers for this restriction.
@dlobrown8888 While it's accepted by the medical community that regular 'mental exercise' significantly reduces the occurrences of senility and depression (both of which have negative effects on general health) in elderly individuals, I haven't personally encountered any studies showing wealthy people more likely to engage in intensive thought. Do you happen to recall where you encountered the wealth and increased intensive thought correlation?
@Dealanach I feel that my last comment was seen irrational. Right now I'm not totally certain nor I have sufficient knowledge to rationalise the subject of intensive thought in relationship with health. By the sounds of your say it is friendly. That I can't recall, but I've come acrossed an news article about this saying rich people can live longer because they think a lot more than usual people. I realised it is not as simple as that in reality.
Yes, I understand what "third world" means. I believe the more accepted vernacular these days is "developing" (as opposed to developed). To reiterate, I know that Japan is not a poor country.
I never suggested it was. You said the abacus was obsolete, and I'm merely pointing out that it is still used in some parts of the world. I am well aware that Japan is not a developing country.
People masterful at using well-designed abacī, like soroban, beat calculators regularly in such tasks where numbers aren't already entered in the calculator's (or computer's) memory. I assume someone skilled at hitting the numeric pad on the keyboard (or proficient in using a certain button layout in general) could match or surpass them, but still, advantages that soroban gives you in terms of being able to perform calculations "in your head" remain unsurpassed.
After a while of using an Abacus like this you can discard it and twiddle you fingers in the air mentally figuring out the sum as if you were using it in front of you. Pretty cool stuff.
@Raener I don't get how the "imaginary" abacus helps. Would you mentally remember what number the abacus is showing at any one moment? would it still work if you have a large number, let's say in the billions and your memory is not that good?
@Raener That explains that sudden savant guy that was able to do mathematics in his head at fast speeds- he is always fiddling his fingers in the way you describe
@hadephobiac My calculator will display answers up to 11 digits. While it will only display that many digits in the answer it will accept and remember numbers up to 100 digits in length.
Mental calculation is called "Anzan". No idea where the word came from, but its possible. I've seen a video that showed a boy that could do soroban calculations with large numbers by just manipulating beads in the air rather than his soroban. His mind is quite fast.
We do that in England as well (or we used to), we call it 'mental maths'. There's a tape with someone calling out the questions then we get 5, 10 or 15 seconds to answer it.
Ha ha takes American kids twice as long to key in calculations on a TI-83 and they still make mistakes. Ha ha, I should know cause I remember watching fools fumble with graphing calculators back in 2001 and I remember sticking to my trusty scientific calculator. I could always graph with faster than them with basic pre-calculus math skills but man! These Japanese girls have true skill with the Soroban. I couldn't do that unless I trained for a while and even then.
Instead of improvising them, the japanese education department demands the children to calculate fast (with soroban/abacus) even when up to 15, but usually the girls can't catch up...thus a lot of absentees in Japan..
There are schools in Japan for certain "giften" children where they learn to use Abacuses at extremely fast speeds, sometimes they can solve equations faster than it takes a person to input it into a calculator. Then after they become adept with the Abacus they take it away. The kids then learn to do these insane equations with an invisible Abacus that they visualize. They still do all the hand motions that they would if they had an Abacus while solving the equation.
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Sadly, while it can, it's a very convoluted and byzantine process. Or, you could say it hasn't been streamlined yet! I would recommend a slide-rule for those if you want to be old-school.
Thats ok, its hard comparing moving beads of an abacus to someone who can write assembly code and how a computer works down to the electrical switches and binary.
I know how to use an abacus, and I teach my little brother and sister it, have 9 one's, move them all back and move 1 bead in the 10's place. Not hard, or complicating. At their level, its useful, but dont bet on it later.
I used it to estimate Logarithms. And it is fast to multiply large numbers. [sarcasm] And we all know we use alot of arithmetic in implicit differentiation. [/sarcasm]
Seriously, you do not even need calculators in most of calculus.(Except for estimating area.)
Well yeah you're right. But once you get to triple integration, the furthest you can do is simply set up the equation, the rest is calculator work (and if you're in modern physics class, youll need like a decimal to the 12th place)
Plus you need some flat surface, and if someone knocks it over and all the beads move, its like 1 + 1 is 45,353? wtf? You cant put it in your pocket, you cant cheat using that bulky thing, no backlight to use in the dark, too much noise, so impractical.
Why are you so dumb? You can ad 2+2 but cannot see outside your book bag. While the abacus was computing all your fancy math wasn't even discovered. Its an incredible thing. and do not criticize its learning. When this girl sits next to you in classroom, shes gonna kick your ass. and just because she learned to use the abacus her mind is 10x as fast as yours and mine.
She can sure out-think me when it comes to place values and adding and subtracting, but that's about it. It doesn't matter when it was invented, the amount of calculation you need in today's higher level classes leaves the abacus in the dust.
Past elementary school of adding and subtracting, and entering high school pre-calc, abacus is useless.
She uses a freakin abacus and your saying her mind is 10x faster, I use a computer, so by ur logic, i should be at least 1,000,000x faster.
You still dont get it my friend. I understand abacus has no place in todays advanced math. Nobody is discussing that nor Im trying to make that argument. My point is this girl mind sure is lighning fast. once she is given the same tools and education that you might have "when this girls sits nex to you in classroom" i said. She is surely going to outperform us. Just because the abacus will have developed her mind to levels higher than us
Oh I understand. Just as she is skilled with the abacus, i am skilled with the computer,and her having previous knowledge of the abacus will not help her when she carries over to the computer(eventually). Using the abacus, she maybe only favor simple arithmetic, better than us. Using the abacus, she may be comfortable with palpable objects, and will have a hard time switching over, graphing 5 dimensional objects in 4 dimensional space, which no one can even begin to imagine what would look like.
No offense, I seriously Doubt you are as skilled with your computer as this girl is in her abacus. But whatever, I'm not trying you to learn abacus, neither Will I. Just don't criticize when others invest their time doing useful things. At least shes not surfing through You tube answering comments like we are.
You don't understand. Abacus theory has implications in mental math, but you have to learn it from a young age to be lighting quick.
I know a boy (9yo) who is skilled with abacus, because he has learned it at a young age he can apply the theory of abacus to mental math and solve difficult and lengthy problems lighting fast. Carrying around an abacus isn't practical, but having a mind that doubles as a human calculator sure is.
Evolution doesn't aim for a final, absolutely great version of a species. So no matter what changes are made over time have occured, this change is called evolution.
I'll stop being overly technical now and say, yes, I do think that for many purposes the ancient calculators are better. They develop both sides of the brain and lead to great intelligence.
Happybunny9584, calculators are way better than an abacus at doing math. the abacus is only good for teaching math. but if u think an abacus is better than a calculator, u have obviously never seen a TI-89. lol
The soroban is amazing as it is simple. The best tool to teach basic maths.
For adding and substracting is as fast as any electronic calculator since it gives instant result, with an advantage over the electronic calculator: in this one to have the result you need to push again a key to get the result, while in the soroban as you enter the last number the final result is already shown.
Although I am mexican, I learned it very early and I have tought it in schools and kid love it.
Friends, I reccomend this tool (japanese abacus) to anybody. It is just too powerful and interesting.
I am a teacher (of computer science) and I want to belive that I know much about computers. But using the computer to calculate (or the mobile phone, or the desk calculator) doesn't make us better persons. By using them in the wrong way, we are becoming more and more dependent of them. This makes us worse persons.
It is the hard work of the japanese people who matters so much in improving life.
actually, when you think about it, the pace that science has been increasing its breadth of knowledge has been increasing at a fairly rapid rate, especially since the problems for the most part have become increasingly more diffucult.
While you may simply put this point of as being a result of education nowadays, I believe this to also be a result of the technology we have available (ie equipment Other than simply an abacus).
wow. the nonsense of comparing plastic with wood of slight quantity... I have a abacus 60 years old from my grandmother, still working. and will be working from now on,
Abacus give results in a blink , depends on the speed of cerebral nerves, not fingers.
how wonderful, an abacus for th well trained individual may be faster, however when you want to figure things out that are on a higher level, an abacus simply doesn't work (slide rulers are also pretty useless). More importantly, even if you DO manage to save yourself several seconds by using an abacus, what has contributed more to the advancment of math and other sciences? armies of well trained abacus users or a few reaserchers with calcualters and supercomputers?
while i see what your saying, i'm sure newton would have been able to contribute a lot more than if he was limited to what he had at the time. I know that people appreciate the abacus, as i myself do, but when it comes to the frontiers of science, not even just nowadays, calculators and computers are able to help us solve problems never we would never have imagined otherwise possible.
Computers are an aide just like everything else we use to make life easier... I have a TI-89 graphing calculator and it does have a decimal limit.. I was just watching a video here on youtube and it was of a young Japanese boy who started out only using an abacus and now he's doing mathematical calculations beyond anything a calculator that you can buy at the store could do in under a minute.... batteries die, ideas don't, and that's what's built our society and our computers..
I'm confused as to the argument here. If it is on wether an abacus is better for everyday use, then mental math reigns supreme, and so by extension so would the abacus as it does aid in develping one's mental math skills.
If, however , we are debating the usefulness of the abacus than i would say there are better options than this antiquated piece of technology. For the skilled mathemetician or for questions that are more advanced than what one would find in everday life, computers are better
All I was stating is that without the minds that built the computers we would never have gotten as far along as we have. I know that's the obvious answer to the question of where we are today, but think about it for a second. What if the whole world got shut down, electronic wise, believe me I would not be a happy camper as I spend most of my days and nights on my computer, but let's say that no electronics worked for a month, what would we use?
A lot of students quitted school (= grade 8, 9 or so) because they are not required to think /analysis as in algebra, trigonometry, and geometry, etc. They are like a calculating machine (for addition and subtraction only).
When other financial companies develop software to predict/analysis the market, in 1999, when the staffs of finacial company in Japan are still using soroban, thus they are lacking far behind - inabitlity to compete.
mechanical, but once you can learn how to use it and can picture abacus in mind, you cancalculate without even having abacus any more. 3-6 month practice will do it. and lots of good memory training.
lol I got that too, but I would like to learn the soraban after seeing smaller kids adding up thousands of numbers shown sequence in intervals of 2 seconds and being able to solve all those numbers MENTALLY in their head in about 5-10 seconds.
Well my calculator has seemingly no limit (Atleast a very high one) as I have input countless digits and it still doesn't give me any errors. Thing is most of these wiz kids don't actually understand higher level math (Algebra, Calculus, the list goes on). They are just really good at arithmetic. Besides, this is low level soroban use (Soroban is the japanese name) Some people just image a soroban in their head and do calculations that way
not that difficult.. infact there is little to no brain activity when making these trivial calculations... therefore the american system is much better.-
little to no brain activity? uhh you do know when you do math there is brain activity. What do you mean the american sysm is better? how and what is the american system by using a calculator? becuase using a calculator is little to no brain activity I see ppl who don't even know how to multiply w/o a calculator
What calculators? I'm an Engineering major in Syracuse University (New York). All Calculus 1 majors, and above are not allowed to use calculators. Pff.
I used to use an abacus back in kindergarten, it was red with colored beads and stuff, but it only counted like from one to 90. It was so we coudl lear how to count and stuff. That's as far as I've used an abacus, and it was a toy one XDD. This girl is awsome!!!
cool kitchen and everything
XxXxFREAKxXxX1 1 month ago
im trying to buy one of these but i need i legit one like she has.
mysticxhobo 2 months ago
i thought she was arranging her peanuts :l
Dannyisgreatful 2 months ago
children nowadays are so dependent on calculator that they don't even know how to add, subtract, divide and multiply without it. Abacus is definitely a good tool to foster such learning.
Quy4life 3 months ago
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@Quy4life Do you know how to add, subtract, divide and multiply without a calc?
Zeruju 3 months ago
多分、やっているのは乗算。
akinasukizakura 6 months ago
It.s not abacus, it's called soroban.
BodiZoltan 8 months ago
@BodiZoltan Which is an abacus ...
iexusuxei 7 months ago
after this video, it was found that she was just moving random beads to look like she was working
BTWextreme 8 months ago
This is what I call, "child pornography". destroying their joy for life, loading their backpacks with kgs of books, and homework and having them burn their lives 8 hours a day learning completely useless things such as in what year Napoleo was born, what battles he won, how many verses a sonete has. I will never send my child to school, I can teach him myself all the needed things in less than one year.
dontbullshitus 9 months ago
@dontbullshitus
you're fucking retarded bro, your children are literally going to fail at life.
lulzwhot 6 months ago
@lulzwhot ur an idiot and your going to fail at life
rubikskidcube 6 months ago
@dontbullshitus
good,
we need more people to make our coffee and pump our gas
and take our orders.
coolwrld115 6 months ago
@dontbullshitus just teach him that wood chopping and cabin buildnin n keep those page boxes out of his sight aint no page box readining in our house!
scar504 5 months ago
@dontbullshitus Your kid will go nowhere in life.
123UncleRuckus 4 months ago
i brought one of this to my school and my teacher was like WTF
czar7czar 1 year ago 7
Is there anything that the Japanese can't do??
savetherocks 1 year ago 3
@savetherocks they arent good at english n neither am i lol
ryodra3 1 year ago
i want 2 learn how 2 use 1
01yuneydi 1 year ago
why not just use a calculator :P
WolfishGrinsxD 1 year ago
@WolfishGrinsxD bet even if you calculator, you can't calculate faster than a person using abacus.
Quy4life 11 months ago
Can someone PLEASE tell me what to do if like there is 9 beads (the bead at the top and the rest at the bottom) and you have to add like 9 do you move to the next column after you get to 9 again (in that one column)??
lihnlihn 1 year ago
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Tam3447 1 year ago
@lihnlihn Yes, move to the next column, add ten and then subtract one from the first column.
Tam3447 1 year ago
@Tam3447 OMG THANK YOU THIS WAS THE WHOLE REASON I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THANK YOU 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, TIMES. ^_^
lihnlihn 1 year ago
wait does that go for all numbers like 9+7 or 9+6
lihnlihn 1 year ago
@lihnlihn I believe it would. I'm just learning too and use a Chinese Abacus, which has more beads then Japanese one, but my book says to add 10 and subtract when you are out of beads.
Tam3447 1 year ago
@Tam3447 Does it work for you when add like that?? when i tried I came up with a weird answer or maybe im doing it wrong cuzz i would believe the book rather than me xD ???
lihnlihn 1 year ago
japan has more kids with higher IQs than the average american adult than america HAS KIDS
Tratiz 1 year ago 3
GET A FUCKING LIFE 8-)
arhaisme 1 year ago
I like it
abacusin 1 year ago
what is that thin she is useing?
crazyAlexander23 1 year ago
Awesome
nicknbg1981 1 year ago
AMAZEING
KLRBAC 1 year ago
But the true question is, can it run "Crysis"?
KrypticGuy666 1 year ago 6
serious
beatya1 1 year ago
Id much rather learn how to do this than Logrithyms and exponent logs haha
luckyblondieo 1 year ago
OUTSTANDING
StevenGarcia0 1 year ago
@StevenGarcia0 fail so bad
sirexium 1 year ago
when i was in elementary school in Mexico my teacher used to encourage me to use the abacus but then i came to the US and it was all about calculators... that's probably why i freaking suck at math...i regret not following my teacher's advice...
sUjU91 1 year ago 2
@sUjU91 the two have no correlation
bestvidsdottk 1 year ago
The good thing with abacus they significantly help train your mental arithmatics. I feel that doing the usual numeracy stuff on a abacus is more powerful and natural as oppose to electronic calculators. Its a shame I've only just come to the point that this is more realistic in primary and high school where young people should get a head start wth mathematics without the use of calculators here in the UK
dlobrown8888 1 year ago
On top of that calculators are ILLEGAL in Japan, China and Spain and I admire countries like that! Its no wonder mathematics are so downgraded in the west in primary and high school education makes us British looks like shit compare to them. I don't agree using an abacus is 'old fashion' tool and all, it is traditionally good for our brains! Ask yourself why millionaires 'live longer'? They use their brains 24-7 around the clock!
dlobrown8888 1 year ago
@dlobrown8888 in spain they aren't
gabigrandio 1 year ago
@dlobrown8888
lol calculators illegal? wtf are you smoking
ps. millionaires live longer because much money means you don't have to work your ass off and wear down your body physically
Molterno 1 year ago
@Molterno you're the dumb fuck - I meant in Japan calculators are illegal from primary to high school. I know millionaires live longer because they use their brains most of the time. How is it not using calculators is physical and using calculators is physical? Get your thinking sorted out before you write!
dlobrown8888 1 year ago
@dlobrown8888
Are you saying there's any studies done on this subject? If so, please link it, if not stop insulting mindlessly. Also you should have been clear from the start about the non-allowed (not illegal) calculators.
Molterno 1 year ago
@Molterno Its the way you put it. No you're the one insulting mindlessly so I kick you back. Well there are other ways write things to emphasize a solid explanation, I may have said "illegal" but you took that literately. Its not "non-allowed" its "not allowed" or "prohibited".
Just realized a written mistake - "using calculators is not* physical?"
dlobrown8888 1 year ago
@dlobrown8888
Why do you come back if all you got left is to comment on my bad english? You started by degrading us westerners because we use modern equipment (makes no sense?).
ps. where is that study on millionaires living longer and the reason+proof being that they think more than an average person?
Molterno 1 year ago
@Molterno His original statement was intended as criticism of the US educational system, not as an insult to US citizens in general. Your comment of "wtf are you smoking" caught him off-guard and elicited a defensive response. He wasn't commenting on your 'bad English' but rather your uncalled-for opening insult.
Dealanach 1 year ago
@Molterno For a study on why wealthier people live longer (access to top end health care and superior nutrition) Google "publichealth lacount epi". It's the first result. I would have just pasted the link but YouTube doesn't allow URLs. We can thank spammers for this restriction.
Dealanach 1 year ago
@dlobrown8888 While it's accepted by the medical community that regular 'mental exercise' significantly reduces the occurrences of senility and depression (both of which have negative effects on general health) in elderly individuals, I haven't personally encountered any studies showing wealthy people more likely to engage in intensive thought. Do you happen to recall where you encountered the wealth and increased intensive thought correlation?
Dealanach 1 year ago
@Dealanach I feel that my last comment was seen irrational. Right now I'm not totally certain nor I have sufficient knowledge to rationalise the subject of intensive thought in relationship with health. By the sounds of your say it is friendly. That I can't recall, but I've come acrossed an news article about this saying rich people can live longer because they think a lot more than usual people. I realised it is not as simple as that in reality.
dlobrown8888 1 year ago
graphing calculators are thebest
wjng123 1 year ago
Yes, I understand what "third world" means. I believe the more accepted vernacular these days is "developing" (as opposed to developed). To reiterate, I know that Japan is not a poor country.
amandarocksyoursocks 2 years ago
I never suggested it was. You said the abacus was obsolete, and I'm merely pointing out that it is still used in some parts of the world. I am well aware that Japan is not a developing country.
amandarocksyoursocks 2 years ago
They're widely used in Africa and Asia.
amandarocksyoursocks 2 years ago
when counting numbers that soroban got nothing on my TI but when it comes to functions and variables my TI reigns KING
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graciehagood 2 years ago
People masterful at using well-designed abacī, like soroban, beat calculators regularly in such tasks where numbers aren't already entered in the calculator's (or computer's) memory. I assume someone skilled at hitting the numeric pad on the keyboard (or proficient in using a certain button layout in general) could match or surpass them, but still, advantages that soroban gives you in terms of being able to perform calculations "in your head" remain unsurpassed.
zrilak 2 years ago
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ehh, why dont use pc or calculator???
Silvereye3 2 years ago
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a women wats can do math
Laneperk1 2 years ago
Japs are robots. XD
megatroll 2 years ago
If it's obsolete then why do thousands, maybe millions, of people around the world still use them? I'm pretty sure that means it's not obsolete.
troutisyourmaster666 2 years ago 3
After a while of using an Abacus like this you can discard it and twiddle you fingers in the air mentally figuring out the sum as if you were using it in front of you. Pretty cool stuff.
Raener 2 years ago 54
@Raener its called visualization abacus.............it needs some more concentration than u need it for the regular abacus.....
rajivkrishnatr 1 year ago
@Raener I write in the air...
RevelationUltimatum 1 year ago
@Raener I don't get how the "imaginary" abacus helps. Would you mentally remember what number the abacus is showing at any one moment? would it still work if you have a large number, let's say in the billions and your memory is not that good?
Mikenopolis 1 year ago
@Mikenopolis : I think your visual and numerical memory improves while using abacus. At least is does for children, I don't know about grown-ups :)
siaynoqmage 1 year ago
@Raener
You don't need the fingers either
D0g63rt 1 year ago
@Raener That explains that sudden savant guy that was able to do mathematics in his head at fast speeds- he is always fiddling his fingers in the way you describe
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UniverseOffspring 4 months ago
They dont need a calculator, but still they are the fastest calculator users
JVRiise 2 years ago 8
how many digits are on your calculator?
hadephobiac 2 years ago
@hadephobiac My calculator will display answers up to 11 digits. While it will only display that many digits in the answer it will accept and remember numbers up to 100 digits in length.
Dealanach 1 year ago
Asian education its really so god
ayoria92 2 years ago 6
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Not Asian. But Japanese. And only in math or science.
Kaleidoscorp 2 years ago
for the people that know how to use it, I believe this is faster than a normal calculator I wouldn't know, I don't know how to use it derp
lulzultra 2 years ago
USA is the one that fails in school. Europe and Asia does not.
omgitshenry 2 years ago 6
i agree with ya
RazaAli33 2 years ago
why is it that in europe the school system is fail and in asia awesome? WHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYY?
Mystl1 2 years ago 2
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GWOZ0Z0 2 years ago
that's called "mental calculation" they used to teach that in china.
you do all the calculations in your head
wearejusthumanbeing 2 years ago 4
Mental calculation is called "Anzan". No idea where the word came from, but its possible. I've seen a video that showed a boy that could do soroban calculations with large numbers by just manipulating beads in the air rather than his soroban. His mind is quite fast.
MinaICCS 2 years ago
"Anzan", Chinese character "暗算， means "hidden calculations"
"Soroban" 算盘，calculation platform"
wearejusthumanbeing 2 years ago
Oh! Thank you so much. I was not expecting someone to let me know where "anzan" comes from, and what the word means. Again, thank you.
MinaICCS 2 years ago
We do that in England as well (or we used to), we call it 'mental maths'. There's a tape with someone calling out the questions then we get 5, 10 or 15 seconds to answer it.
kayleighsarmy 2 years ago
No we don't, spastics here don't even know what Prime numbers are when they get to A-levels.
solaris10user 2 years ago
Or some people just suck at maths -_-
Glacies12 2 years ago
Ha ha takes American kids twice as long to key in calculations on a TI-83 and they still make mistakes. Ha ha, I should know cause I remember watching fools fumble with graphing calculators back in 2001 and I remember sticking to my trusty scientific calculator. I could always graph with faster than them with basic pre-calculus math skills but man! These Japanese girls have true skill with the Soroban. I couldn't do that unless I trained for a while and even then.
racl101 2 years ago 5
This is quite slow compared to another vid on youtube, they did fast crazy there
caikovskee 2 years ago 4
i remember i use abacus like 10years ago? Now just using calculator in school HAHA! Completely forgotten how to use abacus X.X
yrt499 2 years ago
I learned about 12 years ago. Forgot in 2 weeks.
kaisergrendel 2 years ago 2
Instead of improvising them, the japanese education department demands the children to calculate fast (with soroban/abacus) even when up to 15, but usually the girls can't catch up...thus a lot of absentees in Japan..
A failure in Japanese education system.
hemmisrymail 2 years ago
Education systems except for several European countries are total failure.
beramodesmonologue 2 years ago
Now, that's a skill.
65692008 2 years ago
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use a calculator!
gobrandy2 2 years ago
Daymm... She can play with my beads any day :D
My old school abacus :\
NightRushX 3 years ago
by the looks of it .. you haven't used english either.
yiiiji 3 years ago 14
qk abilidad neta eeee
soivirgoyya 3 years ago
I went to this school for a few weeks, I couldn't take it anymore. My fingers got sore.
yiiiji 3 years ago
There are schools in Japan for certain "giften" children where they learn to use Abacuses at extremely fast speeds, sometimes they can solve equations faster than it takes a person to input it into a calculator. Then after they become adept with the Abacus they take it away. The kids then learn to do these insane equations with an invisible Abacus that they visualize. They still do all the hand motions that they would if they had an Abacus while solving the equation.
DAORIGINALC65 3 years ago 6
Ive seen this
TheTrueLippilar 3 years ago
That's soem great old school shit right there! Kids today are nothing compared to these people using the Abacus. That's fucking talent!
racl101 3 years ago
o.o id like to see those numbers shes cal-i mean uh abacusizing
lilbabyblu 3 years ago
wtf this is harder to use than a graphing calc!
FAnchax 3 years ago
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NeolithicStudios 3 years ago
OMG ITS FAKE! Yeah right.
lamzhiyuan 3 years ago
I was parodying the average youtube user. 'No real way to tell so I don't blame ya'.
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flexieboi 3 years ago
can abacuss calculate logaritms or trigonometric functions?
FarSol02JL 3 years ago
Sadly, while it can, it's a very convoluted and byzantine process. Or, you could say it hasn't been streamlined yet! I would recommend a slide-rule for those if you want to be old-school.
rubiksfriend 3 years ago
oh thats not all that fast, some people who begin training at lil kids do it way faster, and even without the abacus altogether.
lbrtdy 3 years ago
so what? are you angry cuz she can do it faster then you? ;)
seblun1 3 years ago 26
@seblun1 Read the info. He thinks she is great.
zZhOrNyZmOnSTeRZz 1 year ago
abacus is actually really useful in accounting, but not for other classes.
sapipa177 3 years ago
Thats ok, its hard comparing moving beads of an abacus to someone who can write assembly code and how a computer works down to the electrical switches and binary.
I know how to use an abacus, and I teach my little brother and sister it, have 9 one's, move them all back and move 1 bead in the 10's place. Not hard, or complicating. At their level, its useful, but dont bet on it later.
mamba109 3 years ago
Here is a video which clearly demonstrates the mental implications. I think it's very useful. watch?v=wIiDomlEjJw
tooosweeet 3 years ago
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jesus these chinky bastards are smart
jewman1987 3 years ago
id love to see that abacus do derivatives and integrals.
mamba109 3 years ago
I used it to estimate Logarithms. And it is fast to multiply large numbers. [sarcasm] And we all know we use alot of arithmetic in implicit differentiation. [/sarcasm]
Seriously, you do not even need calculators in most of calculus.(Except for estimating area.)
pikachun00b7 3 years ago
Well yeah you're right. But once you get to triple integration, the furthest you can do is simply set up the equation, the rest is calculator work (and if you're in modern physics class, youll need like a decimal to the 12th place)
Plus you need some flat surface, and if someone knocks it over and all the beads move, its like 1 + 1 is 45,353? wtf? You cant put it in your pocket, you cant cheat using that bulky thing, no backlight to use in the dark, too much noise, so impractical.
mamba109 3 years ago
Why are you so dumb? You can ad 2+2 but cannot see outside your book bag. While the abacus was computing all your fancy math wasn't even discovered. Its an incredible thing. and do not criticize its learning. When this girl sits next to you in classroom, shes gonna kick your ass. and just because she learned to use the abacus her mind is 10x as fast as yours and mine.
rickyaap 3 years ago
She can sure out-think me when it comes to place values and adding and subtracting, but that's about it. It doesn't matter when it was invented, the amount of calculation you need in today's higher level classes leaves the abacus in the dust.
Past elementary school of adding and subtracting, and entering high school pre-calc, abacus is useless.
She uses a freakin abacus and your saying her mind is 10x faster, I use a computer, so by ur logic, i should be at least 1,000,000x faster.
mamba109 3 years ago
You still dont get it my friend. I understand abacus has no place in todays advanced math. Nobody is discussing that nor Im trying to make that argument. My point is this girl mind sure is lighning fast. once she is given the same tools and education that you might have "when this girls sits nex to you in classroom" i said. She is surely going to outperform us. Just because the abacus will have developed her mind to levels higher than us
rickyaap 3 years ago
Oh I understand. Just as she is skilled with the abacus, i am skilled with the computer,and her having previous knowledge of the abacus will not help her when she carries over to the computer(eventually). Using the abacus, she maybe only favor simple arithmetic, better than us. Using the abacus, she may be comfortable with palpable objects, and will have a hard time switching over, graphing 5 dimensional objects in 4 dimensional space, which no one can even begin to imagine what would look like.
mamba109 3 years ago
No offense, I seriously Doubt you are as skilled with your computer as this girl is in her abacus. But whatever, I'm not trying you to learn abacus, neither Will I. Just don't criticize when others invest their time doing useful things. At least shes not surfing through You tube answering comments like we are.
rickyaap 3 years ago
You don't understand. Abacus theory has implications in mental math, but you have to learn it from a young age to be lighting quick.
I know a boy (9yo) who is skilled with abacus, because he has learned it at a young age he can apply the theory of abacus to mental math and solve difficult and lengthy problems lighting fast. Carrying around an abacus isn't practical, but having a mind that doubles as a human calculator sure is.
tooosweeet 3 years ago
There is no such thing as "devolution."
Evolution doesn't aim for a final, absolutely great version of a species. So no matter what changes are made over time have occured, this change is called evolution.
I'll stop being overly technical now and say, yes, I do think that for many purposes the ancient calculators are better. They develop both sides of the brain and lead to great intelligence.
mimib1230 3 years ago
Happybunny9584, calculators are way better than an abacus at doing math. the abacus is only good for teaching math. but if u think an abacus is better than a calculator, u have obviously never seen a TI-89. lol
kilermagelvl 3 years ago 2
The soroban is amazing as it is simple. The best tool to teach basic maths.
For adding and substracting is as fast as any electronic calculator since it gives instant result, with an advantage over the electronic calculator: in this one to have the result you need to push again a key to get the result, while in the soroban as you enter the last number the final result is already shown.
Although I am mexican, I learned it very early and I have tought it in schools and kid love it.
elshisu 3 years ago
Friends, I reccomend this tool (japanese abacus) to anybody. It is just too powerful and interesting.
I am a teacher (of computer science) and I want to belive that I know much about computers. But using the computer to calculate (or the mobile phone, or the desk calculator) doesn't make us better persons. By using them in the wrong way, we are becoming more and more dependent of them. This makes us worse persons.
It is the hard work of the japanese people who matters so much in improving life.
nickxyzt 4 years ago 2
she looks like shes dtf
mx8yee 4 years ago
actually, when you think about it, the pace that science has been increasing its breadth of knowledge has been increasing at a fairly rapid rate, especially since the problems for the most part have become increasingly more diffucult.
While you may simply put this point of as being a result of education nowadays, I believe this to also be a result of the technology we have available (ie equipment Other than simply an abacus).
THadeTani 4 years ago
wow. the nonsense of comparing plastic with wood of slight quantity... I have a abacus 60 years old from my grandmother, still working. and will be working from now on,
Abacus give results in a blink , depends on the speed of cerebral nerves, not fingers.
NippleOfNippon 4 years ago
how wonderful, an abacus for th well trained individual may be faster, however when you want to figure things out that are on a higher level, an abacus simply doesn't work (slide rulers are also pretty useless). More importantly, even if you DO manage to save yourself several seconds by using an abacus, what has contributed more to the advancment of math and other sciences? armies of well trained abacus users or a few reaserchers with calcualters and supercomputers?
THadeTani 4 years ago
Considering that math and science have been around for a few thousand years...the abacus has contributed more.
istya 4 years ago
while i see what your saying, i'm sure newton would have been able to contribute a lot more than if he was limited to what he had at the time. I know that people appreciate the abacus, as i myself do, but when it comes to the frontiers of science, not even just nowadays, calculators and computers are able to help us solve problems never we would never have imagined otherwise possible.
THadeTani 4 years ago
Computers are an aide just like everything else we use to make life easier... I have a TI-89 graphing calculator and it does have a decimal limit.. I was just watching a video here on youtube and it was of a young Japanese boy who started out only using an abacus and now he's doing mathematical calculations beyond anything a calculator that you can buy at the store could do in under a minute.... batteries die, ideas don't, and that's what's built our society and our computers..
SkylineTTurbo 3 years ago 2
I'm confused as to the argument here. If it is on wether an abacus is better for everyday use, then mental math reigns supreme, and so by extension so would the abacus as it does aid in develping one's mental math skills.
If, however , we are debating the usefulness of the abacus than i would say there are better options than this antiquated piece of technology. For the skilled mathemetician or for questions that are more advanced than what one would find in everday life, computers are better
THadeTani 3 years ago
All I was stating is that without the minds that built the computers we would never have gotten as far along as we have. I know that's the obvious answer to the question of where we are today, but think about it for a second. What if the whole world got shut down, electronic wise, believe me I would not be a happy camper as I spend most of my days and nights on my computer, but let's say that no electronics worked for a month, what would we use?
SkylineTTurbo 3 years ago
haha não entendi bosta nenhuma ;P
ti0wag 4 years ago
A lot of students quitted school (= grade 8, 9 or so) because they are not required to think /analysis as in algebra, trigonometry, and geometry, etc. They are like a calculating machine (for addition and subtraction only).
When other financial companies develop software to predict/analysis the market, in 1999, when the staffs of finacial company in Japan are still using soroban, thus they are lacking far behind - inabitlity to compete.
punpunxyz 4 years ago 2
Actually... they had a competition a few years ago between calculator and abacus.. Abacus won
Funanah 4 years ago 6
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Japs use abacus, we use calculator. We win :D
angrywinds 4 years ago
but abacus is more naturefriendly and they dont get easy broken
Grethmii 4 years ago
you use a casio calculator, ﾌﾟ
and calculator is too slow you don't know the fact
ppprowresniews 4 years ago 3
mechanical, but once you can learn how to use it and can picture abacus in mind, you cancalculate without even having abacus any more. 3-6 month practice will do it. and lots of good memory training.
allcingiboston 4 years ago 3
lol i have same one
Maplestory104 4 years ago
I know how to use the Soroban. It's easy.
leewingchan2 4 years ago
hey dont diis da abacus i can use that thing and placed in japan as 5th so up yours :(
Sparkymocha5 4 years ago
Dear calculator: I love you, thanks for existing in this crazy, rotten world.
I wouldn't use the freaking Abacus even if I knew how to, I don't care. Damn, this just reminds me of how much I hate math. :(
shadows0614 4 years ago
How many digits can your calculator display? You're screwed if you wanna find the square root of two to 20 digits.
poorman35953 4 years ago
u can install calculator in your laptop u know
laptops are pretty small now
Konig1985 4 years ago
Ti-89 plus FTW
but i would like to know how ot us an abacus =P
ChoujiAkimichi 4 years ago 2
lol I got that too, but I would like to learn the soraban after seeing smaller kids adding up thousands of numbers shown sequence in intervals of 2 seconds and being able to solve all those numbers MENTALLY in their head in about 5-10 seconds.
Atsuke 4 years ago 2
no life i pwn her with my calculator
darkpeace18 4 years ago
no brain
dusthillguy 4 years ago
she can get the calculations faster than your calculators, that's why these things still exist today
Atsuke 4 years ago 3
ur caculator is shit lol, it cant even add billions
pouwerfm 4 years ago
Well my calculator has seemingly no limit (Atleast a very high one) as I have input countless digits and it still doesn't give me any errors. Thing is most of these wiz kids don't actually understand higher level math (Algebra, Calculus, the list goes on). They are just really good at arithmetic. Besides, this is low level soroban use (Soroban is the japanese name) Some people just image a soroban in their head and do calculations that way
Termite551 4 years ago
thats almost impressive, I saw Jason Lee or some kinda chinese guy Lao, or Lee, or Chu, do much faster then her, its not that great people..
thecommonpatriot 4 years ago
wow fast... i learned so long also cant even do dat fast....
WizardLim11 4 years ago
how do yo even use those??? xD
kisekixlife 4 years ago
i'd let her play with my abacus ALL DAY LONG.
styler9 5 years ago
Fckin perv
XxKrnPride 4 years ago
holy shit thats fast
trueshaper 5 years ago
I could never do that half as fast -_- Awesomeness!
PanzyMistress 5 years ago
i wish i could still do that...i havnt done that in years
marikoramen 5 years ago
my mom can do that without looking. @@" So smart.
Arina 5 years ago
not that difficult.. infact there is little to no brain activity when making these trivial calculations... therefore the american system is much better.-
thecommonpatriot 5 years ago
little to no brain activity? uhh you do know when you do math there is brain activity. What do you mean the american sysm is better? how and what is the american system by using a calculator? becuase using a calculator is little to no brain activity I see ppl who don't even know how to multiply w/o a calculator
Chakura 5 years ago 3
What calculators? I'm an Engineering major in Syracuse University (New York). All Calculus 1 majors, and above are not allowed to use calculators. Pff.
gencbiba 5 years ago
calculators are not needed much in calc most are done easily w/o
Chakura 5 years ago 2
Haha. Reminds me. I'm in Calc 2 with engi major too and no-calculator indefinite integrals are fun. Whoo.
sf57198 4 years ago
I used to use an abacus back in kindergarten, it was red with colored beads and stuff, but it only counted like from one to 90. It was so we coudl lear how to count and stuff. That's as far as I've used an abacus, and it was a toy one XDD. This girl is awsome!!!
akissy 5 years ago