Canadian Jet Fighter Trainer Bird Strike

[armrdsoul77]

I think that is great that the automated voice is programmed to be so encouraging during an emergency ...you are NOT done...you are NOT done...

I wonder if it says...put the kettle on...put the the kettle on....when you reach cruising altitude?

[Seigu007]

@armrdsoul77 LOOOOLL LMAO!!!!

[92Payka]

@armrdsoul77 gear not down... lol

[Curicua]

that bird was an "eh-hole"

[Seigu007]

T6 NL woop woop

YOU ARE NOT DONE woop woop

T6 NL

lol who writes this stuff?

[Jagabot]

@Seigu007 GEAR NOT DOWN ... not 'you are not done' silly...

[frauspi]

I just love you guys squabbling over petty details, when the complete flight safety investigation report for this accident is available online for public viewing.

[jimjewy]

This was shown to us in class. I am in Air Command of the Canadian Forces. It happened in Moose Jaw.

[Sodiumreactor]

I love the radio traffic at the end "Viking two were ejecting to the North we have an engine failure" "Viking two copy breakout to the left?" AFTER there gone I hope they didnt have to wait too long after they parachuted down for the controller to realize what happened they do sound like Canadians to me

[mysteryliner]

not long at all. when they eject, there is an automatic distress beacon.

IF the controller did nothing at that point, then navy, coast guard... WILL do something

[Jimderkaisser]

It is not a F-16 but a CT-155 "Hawk" advanced jet trainer...

[Pvic]

it wasn't canadian

[SleeplessPilot]

I quote drunkenfrog:

"Actually, the Canadian Air Force has over 100 F-18s according to Wikipedia but no F-16. F-16s are single seat aircrafts. This is a CT-155 BAe Hawk trainer. It happened in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan during a training op."

True.

If you truly believe it wasn't Canadian. What nationality was it then?

Proof of your opinion/fact would be preferable.

[chunks89]

Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan is in Canada, actually... drunkenfrog never said it wasn't in Canada.

[robinheil]

The end was awesome!

......sssssssSSSSSSSSSS--POW!!­!

[FATBOYLEE]

A LOT of other country come to Canada to train.

[GordonFr33man]

evil kamikaze bird

[drunkenfrog]

Actually, the Canadian Air Force has over 100 F-18s according to Wikipedia but no F-16. F-16s are single seat aircrafts. This is a CT-155 BAe Hawk trainer. It happened in Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan during a training op.

[el6ricko666]

Cool we have F16 in canadian air force....lol, maybe a dream for some of my co-worker, we need new plane ^^

[mirlin235]

yea man

[Jimderkaisser]

We had supposed to have the Panavia Tornado (air superiority aircraft) but cancelled for based aircraft carrier...the CF-18. The F-15 and F-16 appears on the list in 1970s but didn't meet the CF exigence (Quality/Price) , the F-15 was selected for air superiority but some one in DND said no (A civilian maybe) just because the price of F-15 was too much expensive..and in 2000 many pilot said "The F-18 cost much more to maintain than the F-15"...

[Jimderkaisser]

I only know the next replacement of CF-18 will be a mixture of multi-role platform and air superiority/interceptor aircraft. The former General Rick Hillier told to Ottawa we should and most have over 300 to up 400 fighter. In fact the CF-18 can't defend our sovereignty with only 80 operational fighter.

In 1950-1980s Canada had over 700 fighter (CF-100,CF-101,CF-104,CF-116,C­F-188) around Canada and Germany. He said we should have a number close to that..to defend our country.

[Gamerguy2002]

"A Bird Strike, as seen through the HUD (heads-up display) of a two seat F16. You can see the bird just prior to impact. These guys were very cool note the heavy breathing...they certainly flew longer than one would expect before ejecting."

If it was an F-16 then it wasn't Canadian lol

[pierocalifornia]

Fighters need such high speeds to keep them in the air to give them lift, a simple engine out landing like in a cessna is not possible, it will immediatly go into a stall, thats why they had to eject

[cal3056]

No, any flying airplane/jet can do landings without engine power. In this case, they had to punch out because they just had taken off and did not have the altitude to go around and land. You need to go to flight school.

[pierocalifornia]

actually i am a pilot i know what im talking about douche bag... you need altitude yes..duh, so that you can give enough pitch down attitude for the enough amount of time to gain speed. They obviously didnt have that and that is what im talking about,i didnt need to point out the obvious you need to get your head checked nevermind going to flight school

[pierocalifornia]

oh and by the way, you dont need to go around, you can perform an emergency landing without the runway, believe me they ejected because the plane at that altitude could not perform a landing at all with such slow speed, it would just stall.

[cal3056]

Like I said, you need to go to flight school. Looking at the video there are trees everywhere and no safe plane to land. My original reply was in reference into you saying "a simple engine out landing like in a Cessna is not possible." That was where you were wrong -- or just misstated what you were trying to say. Calm down kid -- go to stress class while you are taking your flight school :)

[Quickwinklongsstare]

lol this isint an f16 haha its a ct-111

[mattewood]

What the heck is there to argue about, watch the video.

Engine failure, unable to restart, can't make it to a runway for emergency landing... Bail out.

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

I fully understand your point...but you're wrong. I think it is *you* who seems to be misunderstanding me so I will try to be 100% clear this time...

[darryls007]

Another repeat, are you shaking so badly that you are repeating yourself???

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

Point 2) There is no such announcement "ER not done". That statement does not make any sense. Are you suggesting that the crew would *forget* to initiate an engine restart and thus require prompting??

P.S. YouTube are repeating me...and in fact completely ignoring me as this "point 2" post was submitted at the same time as point 1. Ho hum.

[darryls007]

You are slow, The computer is informing Instructor and Student pilot that the engine restart was unsucessful, as in ER nor done.(Engine Restart not done).

[Noodle999]

As has been stated it's not "ER not done", but rather "Gear not down". Why troll people when you don't actually have a clue?

[timbonium47]

This is a BAE Hawk aka Canadian CT-155. It is an advanced jet trainer as used within the CAF to train Canadian, NATO and allied pilots.

[mladjo23]

Its a Canadian HAWK trainer...if n e one cares

[darryls007]

Yes, we care. Thanks for the clarification. DKS

[darryls007]

It is a trainer, but not the F16. Basic flight instruction is done in a two seater trainer until student has sufficent flight hours. Second phase is learning F16 instrumentation and handling characteristics by class room and simulation. By the time a student is ready for the F16, they will not require a back seat. Excellent video, thank you. DKS

[darryls007]

Great Video, however, it is not an F16. The F16 is a single seater fighter platform and is nicknamed the electric jet as it is so highly computerized, a rear seat is not required to assist flying the aircraft.

Note: ER not done = Engine Restart not done!

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

darryls007, you say "ER not done = Engine Restart not done!" but I actually thought it was "Gear Not Down" ie. the aircraft is in a low and slow state and expects to have the undercarriage deployed??

[darryls007]

It sure sounds like it. The phonetic sounds like Ear (ER) The Emergency code is only sounded one time and that is just after student attempts an unsuccessful restart.

[darryls007]

Hi again, an extra thought. When there is a jet engine failure, there are two and only two options:

option 1 - Perform a successful engine restart.

option 2 - Punch out.

So in this type emergency situation, the status of the landing gear is of no concern to the pilot.

A jet aircraft cannot be control landed with an engine failure as the thrust to air ratio would cause it to drop like a brick. Notice just as they punch out, the craft is already starting a 45 degree nose dive.

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

I beg to differ. I'm a pilot and if my (lone) engine quits when I'm close to the ground...my primary concern is sticking it in a field in which case I am *very* interested in the gear being down.

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

My attempt at a transcript of the video. (PF=Pilot flying, FI=Instructor, C=Computer) PF: Oh Sh*t FI: OK T6 NL C: T6 NL....T6 NL FI: Lost the engine P: OK FI: Around the horn. Restart C: GEAR NOT DOWN FI: Prepare to abandon the aircraft. Are you ready? P: Prepared C: GEAR NOT DOWN FI: Just gonna try to get a re-light going. You get it from the front. I'll fly the plane cont. below...

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

P: OK

P: OK engine's stopped. It's stopped.

P: OK you cool?

FI: *un-intelligible*

C: T6 NL

FI: OK, you ready to go?

P: I'm ready

FI: OK

FI over RT: "and Viking two We're ejecting to the north; we have an engine failure,"

FI: Okay. Prepare to abandon aircraft. Eject! Eject! Eject!

[darryls007]

Correction: ER not done is sounded two times just after flight Instructor says, "You get it from the front, I'll fly the plane. It is not repeated again after student pilot says, "Prepared".

[darryls007]

ER not done is sounded two times in sucession just after ER not done. It is not repeated after prepared. A good pilot transcribes exactly as it occured, not just close.

[darryls007]

Flying a single engine prop driven aircraft is a whole lot different that flying a jet fighter. In a prop job, you do a ditch, crash landing, even do a belly landing, with gear up. But I beg to differ with you, you do not do a dead stick landing on a jet aircraft, unless you are ready to buy the farm.

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

I agree with you but what I was trying to say is that when this type of aircraft is low and slow with the gear up. That warning would be automatic because the aircraft expects to be landing. I guess unless we get a Hawk pilot on here; we'll never know.

[darryls007]

I must once again beg to differ with you in your last statement. The aircraft does not expect to be landing with an engine failure followed by an unsuccessful engine restart. ie,. ER not done. Please advise me as to what part of the above you do not understand, and I would be happy to explain it to you.

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

I understand your point completely; but you're wrong. It is *you* that seem to be misunderstanding me so I will try to make myself fully clear.

Point 1) When an aircraft of this type is "low and slow" i.e. throttle, altitude and airspeed are all low enough values to suggest a landing. If the undercarriage is still retracted the computer will announce (in this case with a British accent) the warning "GEAR NOT DOWN, GEAR NOT DOWN"

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

I fully understand your point...but you're wrong. I think it is *you* who seems to be misunderstanding me so I will try to be 100% clear this time...

[darryls007]

I must have really rattled you, you are repeating yourself. :>)

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

Point 1) If an aircraft of this type is "low and slow" ie. the throttle setting, airspeed and altitude are of a low enough value to suggest a landing and the undercarriage is still retracted; the computer will announce a warning "GEAR NOT DOWN, GEAR NOT DOWN". It doesn't care if the engine is stalled or not.

[darryls007]

People who know what they are doing, do not program the voice reporting system to mention the landing gear not being down, when in seconds, the pilot and instructor are going to punch out, and at that point, nobody but you gives a rats ass about the status of the landing gear. You are wearing out the words low and slow, and it appears that is the extent of your knowledge. By the way, does your mommy know you are playing pilot on the computer again instead of doing your homework?

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

Hehe, I thought we could have a reasonable discussion but OK I admit I'm a little slow on the uptake. I now realise you are a troll. Seeya.

[darryls007]

I thought we were having a reasonable discussion, and regardless of what was said, fact remains, the bird took out a Canadian Hawk Jet fighter trainer, and pretty well messed up the Flight Instructors and Student Pilots day, wouldn't you say? And regardless of what the computer said, and who can figure out a computer with a brit accent? Why not compromise and say we both had good arguing points. Hate to see you going away mad and me becomming a trol.

[SpeedbirdConcordeOne]

The instructor is as cool as you like. I guess having the option of punching out helps but ejecting is no cakewalk, especially at low level.

[Tachikoma1991]

The CT-155 has an emergency alert system that warns againt landing with the gear down, the system makes that whistling noise twice and will say "Gear not down, Gear not down", this is triggered by three conditions being met siultaniously...

1) The throttle is set to less than 85% RPMs

2) The Altitude is less than 5000ft AGL a with Altitude Radar on, 5000ft above sea level off

3) The Airspeed is less than 160 knots

[Tachikoma1991]

The voice said T6NL

"T6NL is a code for an airplane engine overtemp. "T" stands for temperature, "N" stands for shaft rotation speed in the engine, "L" stands for low pressure, and the number six stands for stage six (which refers to the engine temperature and low pressure shaft speed."

Common missconception again thanks to low quality of video data recorder file, and general youtube quality